pvp

[frank knoll]

Is it the same for regular dwarf?

[fair tide]

feel like im lacking abit of haste 😄

[frank knoll]

I think the haste thing is cause you won’t be about to randomly one shot someone anymore starting Tuesday

[jolly token]

Also whats the best weapon enchant to run?

[warm portal]

Sophic

[warm portal]

Yes

[slender lion]

shammy claims too be a 2.7k player...hmmm

[hot lichen]

Hey what’s the best guides for arms rotation and builds?

[native thunder]

Pins

[hazy isle]

Sooo will blizz do smthing bout 3s or will they stay dead. Glad looks kinda impossible for anyone who isnt r1

[worthy fern]

Unfort it looks like it’s shuffle or nothing rn

[hazy isle]

Damn thats sad. I personally like 3s more cause i can play with frens. Not a ss fan

[hot solstice]

shuffle is actualy hard for resto

[slender lion]

what is with the scoring on solo?

[slender lion]

he was ele

i played 2 matches, won 4 on both, 3 score on one, 59 on another?

[frank knoll]

I kind of predicted that shuffle will remove casuals from regular 3s

[lean burrow]

[frank knoll]

I’m playing 3s games at like 1500 mmr that are super sweaty

[slender lion]

hahaha so not only was he chatting shit considering he got clapped every game, but score isnt even achievable

[worthy fern]

@frank knoll I don’t feel like I’m casual lol I

[lean burrow]

well he didn't lie

[worthy fern]

I’ve never not hit duelist at least in 3s since I started playing arenas mainly

And it’s a struggle at like 18-19 now

[slender lion]

aw is that his history?

[green wyvern]

3v3 is dead

they should

invest more into shuffle

[worthy fern]

Also I’m really tired of popping ever defensive I have and still dying to certain specs cds

Like popping shit and staying offensive is not an option

[green wyvern]

abandon 3v3 let rank 1 players jerk to one another at 1.5k mmr

doesnt matter anyway

[lean burrow]

just make 3s %based and it's fixed

[green wyvern]

nah

3v3 is a 2006 system

[worthy fern]

I mean I want to queue with friends

Not by myself

I don’t mind shuffle but I don’t want to do it exclusively

[green wyvern]

they should make a real objective based pvp mode

[worthy fern]

Best we can do is all q shuffle and watch each others games i between queues

5s bgs style

Small map objectives

[green wyvern]

yeah something like moba

but make it work in mmorpg

[worthy fern]

Gw2 has decent arena/bg hybrids

[frank knoll]

No I’m saying. There won’t be a lot of new people queueing 3s

[green wyvern]

it's not just that

r1 players dont q 3s either

nobody qs 3s

[hazy isle]

Yea lol

Its dead af

[green wyvern]

people like Mud might as well unsub and come back last week of season and collect r1

[frank knoll]

Why couldn’t we just have solo queue regular 3s

[hazy isle]

Just make glad % idgaf about anything else other than the mount

[frank knoll]

I saw a stat
Don’t know if it’s true or not but I’ll share regardless.
One night like 600 people world wide queued for 3s while over 13k queues for solo shuffle

[green wyvern]

ye

you can just look up

[hazy isle]

It was expected tho. No one wants to deal with lfg

[green wyvern]

xunamate.com

check activity section

[frank knoll]

I don’t know why they couldn’t just, do like how skirms are but rated

[hazy isle]

Seems kinda unnecessary with ss existing

[frank knoll]

Instead of having ss period

Just regular rated solo queue, you can party up with friends if you want it just roll the dice

[crystal tulip]

pvpleaderboards is kinda dead on arms talents, are top people running bleed builds or?

was looking at the top guys but i'm just unsure if they're running a build to do keys on the off arena days or whats happening

[grand scaffold]

thunderclap into demo

👌

[jolly token]

is the Evokers flying fire breath breaking Spear tether intentional? because most other movement abilities dont break tether.

[lean burrow]

guys

how do I find motivation to queue?

[mystic prairie]

how do I find motivation to even buy DF when arms isn't S tier and seems to have a sad time in 2v2 arenas

[warm portal]

idk if you're trolling but arms is fine

[grand scaffold]

what cr you at

[mystic prairie]

not trolling

which part of what I wrote is false

[steep inlet]

All

Warrior is A+ tier

S versus certain comps

[warm portal]

if arms current state would cause you not to play then you arnt going to play unless its the most broken spec in the game

[mystic prairie]

I assume it's worse than Shadowlands S1?

[steep inlet]

Worse than S++ tier ?

what the fuck I read

[mystic prairie]

don't remember how it scaled back then, but that's when I first played wow

[steep inlet]

You played the most broken version of war ever made y

[lean burrow]

2k

[grand scaffold]

alr

what cr are you aiming for

[lean burrow]

i barely play

[grand scaffold]

so what cr are you aiming for

[lean burrow]

prob 2.4

[grand scaffold]

alr

so just get mad that you arent 2.4

and trust me

anger works

[lean burrow]

i can't be angry

only despair

[kind fog]

nOOb question
Is full haste fury really the only way? Because I am currently mostly crit and due to being mostly arms and it slaps pretty hard, my gushing wound critter for 50k two times in a row

[grand scaffold]

are you on na?

[grand scaffold]

haste is best

nothing else can compare

but

crit with SOME haste isnt unplayable

[kind fog]

🫡

[lean burrow]

yeah

[kind fog]

Roger that sir

Thank you

[grand scaffold]

alr

want me to duel you and see if anything is going wrong?

[lean burrow]

those queues are giga demotivating

there's nothing wrong except my unwillingness to grind

[grand scaffold]

so do you want me to duel you and see whats going wrong?

[lean burrow]

no

[grand scaffold]

ok

then idk what to help you with

if you unmotivated

you unmotivated

[lean burrow]

yeah

i'm just venting

[crystal tulip]

if you experience a limited dopamine response out of an activity you used to enjoy, it can be because of overindulgence. If you seek out other areas of dopamine inducing activies, like alcohol, exercise, sex or similar you may find your motivation for the thing you used to enjoy can come back!

[grand scaffold]

😂

that responce too good

prob avoid alcohol tho

[lean burrow]

I will drink for a week

[crystal tulip]

well the science checks out

[grand scaffold]

🤦‍♂️

in terms of dopamine yea

in terms of good habits

ide say alcohol = 🚫

[crystal tulip]

oh yeah absolutely

but he was asking about solutions for the arena grind

i'm not here to judge

[grand scaffold]

yah

[crystal tulip]

but like solo shuffle queue got me crying too

windwalkers bruh

[thin basalt]

I think it’s intended. It removes all root and total movement immunity

[jolly token]

oh ok, thats good to know

[low cobalt]

have blizz said anything about shuffle queue times? 2s and 3s are like dead and waiting 30 min per queue is not practical

is it rly just lack of healers and thats it

[crystal tulip]

solution is just rerolling healer

fug

this is why healer specs so represented on leaderboards, they can actually grind rating :DDDDD

am i stalling my queue if i queue skirmish and bgs too while waiting for solo shuffle?

[warm portal]

probably a little bit but just do it anyways if you'd rather not be afk

[halcyon wren]

Anyone know how to remove pets from plater?

just went against Demo/UHDK, screen puke almost ALTF4

[low cobalt]

what is the easiest healer for a zug zug brain to learn XD

[halcyon wren]

hpal

cause you still zug

[low cobalt]

hahahaha

[weak wedge]

Anyone has a weapon swap/shield block macro ? Made a simple one but maybe there is something more sophisticated out there

Got offensively disarmed a few times, might be a last resort solution 😄

[lean burrow]

i queued shuffle

won first round, ret left

[nimble jasper]

ww is free kill

[pure hornet]

Are you fury main ?

[native thunder]

I just 2v1 a mage/monk with bleed build and it felt sooo good

[nimble jasper]

2v1 the 1500 bracket

[native thunder]

If that’s your skill level a win is a win

[thick reef]

you dont use shield block as non-Prot

[warm portal]

dont use that

[nimble jasper]

yeah i mean thats only way you’re beating a mage and ww

is if both are afk

[hot solstice]

Why no warriors on AWC? where is dis broken class?

[weak wedge]

I know, but still better than nothing while you can't press anything else ?

[hot solstice]

waste 2 globals

[spice hornet]

Rogue is a better version of warrior at high play

[weak wedge]

Met a monk and a rogue that disarmed me before a go, can't use DBTS, can't use Stormbolt, once in DStance, IP, Intimidating shout are gone, what is left ?

[thick reef]

you either fuck off with leap or just auto

[hot solstice]

u pair bolt into colosus

colosus is 30 sec with cdr talent and disarm is 45 sec

not every colos geets disarmed

[weak wedge]

I didn't get disarmed during colossus

[thick reef]

then why do you care lmao

fucking Arms moment

[weak wedge]

The monk wanted a go, disarmed me and wailed

[thick reef]

welcome to Arms

[pale minnow]

feral decent for turbo guys 👍

[thick reef]

Vanilla
Glad XP

Pick one

[hot solstice]

monk disarming to deny dbts dies later with no disarm on avatar colos

[spice hornet]

Feral players are a different breed

[weak wedge]

unless it surprises the poor tired arms and his healer in a SS 😄

[oblique reef]

is it faster to play 2v2 to 1800 for elite set or spam solo shuffle

[thick reef]

the 500 IQ moment is to just cc the Arms player when you see Die by the Meme

I actually dont even take Disarm vs Warrior

I just Wrecking+Demolition the IP and get it in

[hot solstice]

idk, I play human - means can trinket/parry or trinket/fear every serenity go...always keep fear for def vs ww

[thick reef]

I see another based Human enjoyer

[hot solstice]

cause why not?

[warm portal]

HUMAN CHADS

[nimble jasper]

prob shuffle

cuz 2s you die to any assa rogue with his keyboard plugged in

[warm portal]

yeah outside the que times getting 1800 in the shuff is a joke

[low cobalt]

😦

[nimble jasper]

2s feels

deflated ngl

[spice hornet]

It’s very

You go 55% wl and lose rating

Stopped queueing 2s 3rd weeek of season when I noticed this

Was only assassination rogues past 2100 anyway so it wasn’t even fun

[frank knoll]

I tried to play my assa rogue, so boring

The only rogue spec I enjoy is Outlaw which sucks rn soo

[oblique reef]

yeah but wait time for solo is 15 minutes

[warm portal]

lucky guy with your 15min ques

[frank knoll]

I had a 1hr and 15min queue last night

[tranquil raven]

Is there a viable build that runs TR but does not focus on keeping rend up? Or are TR builds always meant to keep rend up too?

[sharp meteor]

Roar without any bleed stuff feels lackluster.

Well, maybe into stuff that can break spear insta.

[pearl sierra]

is the bleed build any good if I am full crit?

[sharp meteor]

ya

idk what ideal stats are but crit feels fine

[nimble jasper]

outlaw isnt bad

[sharp meteor]

hard to get idea of outlaw cos most of them don't know how to do dmg

[dapper cypress]

how to survive as arms + disc against eles+disc and survs+disc?

[worthy fern]

Pikaboo rocking the warrior vs luminosity rn

[nimble jasper]

basically this

[mild thunder]

that and no one plays it because assa is retarded

[sharp meteor]

true

[nimble jasper]

basically just a few r1s

[sharp meteor]

my poor sp got nahjlawed

[nimble jasper]

that still play assa when doing “real” games

cuz i know trimaz plays outlaw in shuffle and 2s

assa in 3s

[mild thunder]

i reckon outlaw would still fall into a very solid A tier realistically

maybe not for shuffle, but who cares about shuffle anyway

[nimble jasper]

community still thinks sub isnt good too

https://twitter.com/whocareslul/status/1622119704591536129?s=20&t=759M-qrT3WEYTYHeRGKV6w

Exzi (@whocareslul)

worst spec in solo shuffles / worst class in game🤡

Twitter · Feb 5, 2023, 6:27 AM

1 and 3 are same guy though

[mild thunder]

bad spec, pls buff

man sub would actually be free wins in low brackets

[nimble jasper]

that dude does some wild shit

[mild thunder]

bait trinket with bomb > duel > oneshot

[nimble jasper]

remember in corrupted season when everyone was playing gushing sin rogue

[mild thunder]

and no one below like 2200 would even think to hold trinket

[nimble jasper]

man was playing mastery procs

and just waiting on proc to bote drest someone

100-0

[mild thunder]

at high ratings i can imagine sub would be pretty cringe to play in shuffle

every mongo retard warrior just fucking your stun DRs

[nimble jasper]

yeah i watched kalvish stream and just

malding about drs

every 10 secs

[nimble jasper]

tho idk why warrior just

attracts some of the dumbest players

[mild thunder]

warrior has a very, very low skill floor

high skill-celing, but crazy low skill floor

[nimble jasper]

xd

yeah but so does dh

the ceiling shit is very true but i swear

i see so many

god awful warbanners

intervenes

etc

[mild thunder]

could be partly due to warrior attracting a lot of new/new pvp players because a lot of the bigger wow streamers play it (bajheera, swifty etc)

[nimble jasper]

is swifty still relevant

ill never get why people intervene after a go is over

[mild thunder]

i've read some of those bajheera comment sections, and they're not the brightest bunch

[mild thunder]

so it's on CD when my teammates look at their omniCD to see if i intervened

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk

baj fanboys get so mad

when you say hes not that good

i guess hes more “family friendly”

than someone like mag

[mild thunder]

he definitely has a bigger focus on content than on improvement at this point

which isnt bad

[lean burrow]

2.5 hours later

I played 4 games of shuffle

24 rounds

this fucking game

[nimble jasper]

i got an instant shuffle pop

[worthy fern]

baj isnt insane like top players but hes def good at the game

[nimble jasper]

and the rdruid

went 0-6

ahahhaa

always the bad players that talk the most in chat

ww died like every round though

[mint dagger]

What's ur thoughts on the upcoming warr nerfs?

[nimble jasper]

what nerf

chaos bolt is being buffed

[mild thunder]

they're all justified, and anyone malding over them is hard coping

[nimble jasper]

assa got another

slap on the wrist

[warm portal]

Slap on the wrist

[worthy fern]

they buffed our spell reflect vs destro is all that happened

[lean burrow]

we are D-tier now

[warm portal]

Sad part is a lot of people actually think that lol

[wheat jay]

big D tier

Yes

[mild thunder]

good

hope they all reroll

arms attracts too many degen fotmers whenever it's good

[wheat jay]

every class does

[mild thunder]

feels like arms attracts a lot more tbh

[wheat jay]

warrior is among the worst offenders in that aspect because its braindead easy to play

[mild thunder]

yea agreed

[warm portal]

Actually true

[wheat jay]

you dont need good setups

you don't need to predict most of the stuff

unless its pre-parry

[mild thunder]

arms skill floor is too low

[wheat jay]

you need to react

dmg is too easy

[mild thunder]

the dmg rotation needs to be seriously expanded upon in 11.0

[warm portal]

I have bad news
It won't

[mild thunder]

bring back rage-management and proper CD rotation

[low cobalt]

@wheat jaywhere is your icon from lol

[mild thunder]

i can dream, drake

[wheat jay]

Kengan Omega

[warm portal]

I dont think I've even looked at my rage bar the entire expansion

[low cobalt]

ty

[drifting jacinth]

Just get rid of slam and we gucci

Whirlwinds lame asf too

[low cobalt]

wtf this is like baki XD

[mild thunder]

nah it needs a ground up refresher

[wheat jay]

Yes, but not retarded

[low cobalt]

hahah

looks cool

[wheat jay]

Baki is a parody

Kengan is kinda normal

[mild thunder]

remove ms resets
nerf rage gen
return heroic strike as an interactive filler
make rend more attractive

[wheat jay]

Until you see someone turning dark red

[drifting jacinth]

How bout just buff our dmg 50%

[wheat jay]

Heroic strike as filler would be worthless, just random dmg, meaning other skills would do less, ms resets are retarded, rage gen is too high i agree

[lean burrow]

why play warrior then

[wheat jay]

Ms resets are just dumb

[mild thunder]

less ms resets would mean that we actually get to use our rotation, but best way to treat heroic strike imo would bring it back with low base damage, and a pseudo-sks effect

make heroic strike consume ~10% of existing bleed effects when used

[drifting jacinth]

Make us do caster damage

[mild thunder]

so it has some interaction/effect on the rest of our rotation

if we have spare rage/pool our rage, heroic strike can be very rewarding

otherwise not

[lean burrow]

discount rogue with bleeds

[drifting jacinth]

Cuck class

[lean burrow]

warrior - the bleed class

[drifting jacinth]

Same with demo locks and mages

[mild thunder]

arms was always a bleed-lite spec

consistent bleed damage with chunky mortal strikes on a medium CD

now we have bleeds that are just a relic of the past and do shit damage, and spammable ms

[wheat jay]

What i don't understand is that warriors cry that arms has bleeds

Why

Its passive damage

[mild thunder]

yea idk, bleeds are fun

[wheat jay]

That keeps going when you're in cc

[mild thunder]

and it was always a part of the arms identity

[wheat jay]

And even with bleeds you still slap crazy direct dmg

[lean burrow]

this is my warrior

[drifting jacinth]

I have an idea

Make warrior faster

Paint it red or sumthn

[wheat jay]

Latent poison effect on rend would be fun

[mild thunder]

faster rotationally?

[wheat jay]

And then itd increase dmg of next ms

[mild thunder]

or faster mobility?

[drifting jacinth]

Both

[mild thunder]

arms already has a faster rotation than it should imo

especially since you stack haste in pve

[nimble jasper]

straightback male orc warrior

trinkets first stun

goes to forum to complain about op classes

[mild thunder]

id rather arms have a semi-slow rotation that requires >10 iq

[wheat jay]

Nah

Fast rotation is the best

Want slow shit go play Frost dk

[sharp meteor]

no i want my boomer rp

swing timer

[mild thunder]

not slow slow, but slow enough that they can choose to emphasise brainpower

[wheat jay]

I want fast shit

Legion arms in nighthold

[sharp meteor]

fury has me hands in shambles

[drifting jacinth]

Mobility is an issue tbh

[sharp meteor]

no 🔪 whippersnappers out

[wheat jay]

Legion arms was peak

[mild thunder]

fury is "metacarpal tunnel syndrome" the spec

[sharp meteor]

you kids and your unwrecked tendons

[mild thunder]

same as outlaw 💤

[nimble jasper]

i dont get the carpaltunnel complaints

wow isnt high apm

[wheat jay]

Ye same

[drifting jacinth]

All these ranged slows ruinin pvp

[mild thunder]

in pvp its not, but in pve its pretty lame

[wheat jay]

Y'all do some wrist twists or what?

[mild thunder]

high-pace can be fun if you actually do different things with your rotation

like SL enh

[wheat jay]

Like fury

[mild thunder]

but fury is literally spamming one button as fast as you can

[wheat jay]

No, that's arms now

[mild thunder]

arms is spamming TWO buttons

[nimble jasper]

i just assumed its cuz

[robust osprey]

skull

[nimble jasper]

warrior prob has more boomers

[wheat jay]

Rn fury has more buttons to press than arms

[nimble jasper]

than other classes

[wheat jay]

And it doesn't just spam it

[drifting jacinth]

Fury uses onslaught now which is garbage

[wheat jay]

I like onslaught

[mild thunder]

ehhh

onslaught is shit tho

[wheat jay]

Hiw

How

Its dmg

[mild thunder]

its good for rb build

[wheat jay]

And applies buff to enrage

[mild thunder]

but its ass for anni, does shit dmg

[drifting jacinth]

it’s literally slam levels awkward

[wheat jay]

Y'all played annihilator?

And pressed only bloodthirst?

Bro

[mild thunder]

for like 5 minutes

[drifting jacinth]

Bro if I wanted to play annihilator id play arms

[wheat jay]

Y'all are wack

[nimble jasper]

doing damage thing is prob real tbh

idk why all the fotm sl outlaw players

[mild thunder]

best fury is wod fury

[nimble jasper]

did no damage

like

[mild thunder]

and no one can change my mind

[drifting jacinth]

Argus fury

[nimble jasper]

the spec wasnt hard

at all

[drifting jacinth]

WoD fury tanks were the goat tho

[mild thunder]

as long as fury is based around rampage, its doomed to be cringe

its a rip-off combo point spec

[nimble jasper]

fury more braindead than arms

and people defend it needs to be good

[mild thunder]

even if fury had 2-3 generators, the actual goal of the rotation is so monotonous

[drifting jacinth]

Fury execute back in legion

[nimble jasper]

also theres just the stigma attached

[mild thunder]

build up 80 rage > rampage > build up 80 rage > rampage

[nimble jasper]

to people who play male orc warriors

[mild thunder]

if they wanna keep the rampage playstyle, they need to add another finisher as well

[nimble jasper]

as to having rocks where their brain should be

even worse

maghar orc

[wheat jay]

Technically it Has a goal

[drifting jacinth]

I wish we didn’t have to press whirlwind to fuck up everything around us

[wheat jay]

Arms is just spam skills

[nimble jasper]

you dont press whirlwind as arms

[drifting jacinth]

Sayin fury

[mild thunder]

linear goals arent good tho

[nimble jasper]

fury belongs in the same spot as bm and assa rogue

aka

[mild thunder]

thats why all well-designed combo point specs need to have multiple finishers

[nimble jasper]

the bin

[drifting jacinth]

Why tf does arms even have whirlwind

Whirlwind was only cool back in SL

For fury

[nimble jasper]

unironically even assa has more responsibility than fury/bm

cuz more cc

fury is just

ook ook hold w

stormbolt

occasional fear

[mild thunder]

arms' goal is supposed to be proper CD rotation and rage management, but yea rn we're flooded with too much rage so we barely have to manage it, and we have wayyyy too many CD resetters

so they have literally removed any of the brainpower required for arms

[drifting jacinth]

Good

[nimble jasper]

one day i will see

a good warbanner

or intervene

outside of high mmr

[mild thunder]

doubt

[drifting jacinth]

Intervene

[nimble jasper]

i played 5 games on my rogue

3 of the warrior games

they intervene after kidney

on cd

then kill because people decide to trinket a kidney that isnt paired

with deathmark bomb or blind

[drifting jacinth]

Give intervene 2 charges

[nimble jasper]

also disc is a fucking meme

why does swd hit for 30k

[worthy fern]

Interning pre kidney is nice but intervening after the kidney goes off is still good

[nimble jasper]

meme bracket tho

every warrior team was a free win

max 1min 15sec game

[worthy fern]

In a game of 3s last night I intervened a kidney and a death mark

[sharp meteor]

i just had a rogue deathmark me by mistake with all the bleeds on my teammate

[nimble jasper]

lmao

[sharp meteor]

actually short circuited

[nimble jasper]

💀

[worthy fern]

Intervene death mark dwarf it off instantly

[nimble jasper]

cant relate

i usually deathmarked warrior

after he decided to trinket disarm

[worthy fern]

Also had an assa rogue mfd kidney me in the opener and press death mark next global

Easiest dwarf of my life

[nimble jasper]

sap warrior man instant

zerker heroic leaps

then dies behind los

[worthy fern]

Lol

[nimble jasper]

disc also a giant joke yeah

watch this man die from 40%

through dbts

[worthy fern]

Every disc reroll is trash

Uses swap before any other cd

Forgets about some

Dome

[wheat jay]

That's basic flaw of arms

There's no good rage dump

Therefore, focused rage should return

[nimble jasper]

dome legit busted

yet people cant use it

but idk rdruid players are the worst imo

or

lizards

[mild thunder]

i like my heroic strike idea

low base damage, but consumes 10% of your bleeds

so it'll speed up the rest of your rotation, but also make you think about whether you want to use it

[wheat jay]

Id rather see it buff bleeds by 10% per use

Up to 50%

[drifting jacinth]

Man I hate thinking

[wheat jay]

And then you just keep it up

Let the buff last for like 6s

Or 8

[mild thunder]

that could be decent

[wheat jay]

Bleed build is fun cuz it requires some thought xD

[fluid berry]

They just need to bring back MOP Second Wind

[wheat jay]

It wouldn't do anything

In current meta

High dampening

High burst

Everyone has Access to ms

Some slap 50% or higher

And you think small heal below 30% would do ANYTHING at all?

Bruh

Y'all stupid with mop second wind

It would need to heal like 10% a second xD

[sharp meteor]

just deathed a guy for 29k at 345 pvp ilev

[mild thunder]

sadly true

there's a reason that dk second wind talent is dead

name of the game is mitigation, not healing

that's what they need to focus on

[wheat jay]

Ye

[nimble jasper]

yeah i was queueing 2s for memes

warrior disarms me while hes at 35%

[wheat jay]

Ignore pain provides so much more value than a fucking second wind xD

[nimble jasper]

he dies next global to my priest

[mild thunder]

arms shouldnt have access to ANY self-healing

[nimble jasper]

expiation+swd

[wheat jay]

It would outheal Serpent Sting

[mild thunder]

remove impending victory

[wheat jay]

MAYBE

[mild thunder]

delete IV, delete FbV

no self-healing fora rms

delete storm wall

[sage raptor]

That's retarded

[sharp meteor]

idk about that

[tardy flame]

I'd be down for zero self-healing Arms. Ignore Pain and the bleed heal talent can be changed to make bleeding targets deal reduced damage

[sharp meteor]

lmao do you know what no healing means

it means increased durability via something like dstance

which we just had in sl and it caused issues

[tardy flame]

Sounds good to me

[wheat jay]

It wasn't good

Arms was NEVER a kill target

Had crazy peeling

Had overwhelming damage

Anything that was played with warrior was good

[sharp meteor]

arms wasn't a target and it made its teammates not a target

[wheat jay]

Because of how strong warrior was

[sharp meteor]

u were just a brick wall

[wheat jay]

Ye basically

[sharp meteor]

that stopped everything

[wheat jay]

And hit you with said bricks

[tardy flame]

Clearly "No self healing" doesn't exactly equate to "Have the same damage & peeling as Shadowlands"

[wheat jay]

You'd need it tho

[lean burrow]

does reflex work with solo shuffle?

[sharp meteor]

immovable project vs immovable object

[sharp meteor]

ya

[wheat jay]

If you do 0 healing and you die you're useless

[lean burrow]

i think i had some bugs during prepatch and haven't bothered to enable reflex back

[lean burrow]

ty

[wheat jay]

#survi

Low dmg, low survi

[sharp meteor]

arms susceptible to being dmg sponge spec tho if they nerf stuff too much

[wheat jay]

Why doesnt survi survive?

[sharp meteor]

like u have a smol reflect and a useless parry into most stuff

[elfin surge]

🏝️

[sharp meteor]

u look like petkick

[lean burrow]

it's been an hour, played one game of shuffle

[elfin surge]

LMAO

[sharp meteor]

matching mogs cute

[mild thunder]

it makes no sense for arms to have access to self-healing

[green wyvern]

wtf is this

[mild thunder]

the issue in SL was that dstance didnt have enough of a deterrent to not sit in it

[sharp meteor]

i mean i'd prefer to have better dstance

[green wyvern]

female BE warrior

my eyes

[mild thunder]

dstance should be a 20/30 split

[sharp meteor]

1% crit its good again aaa

[wheat jay]

YOOOOOOO fembelf

[nimble jasper]

wait mud is belf?

[mild thunder]

so that we're heavily penalised to sit

[nimble jasper]

xd

[wheat jay]

I welcome you brother to world of fembelf enjoyers

No more grunting

Only moaning in your ears

[green wyvern]

nelf is sexier

[wheat jay]

Depends

[nimble jasper]

kinda

if you ignore their manhands

[wheat jay]

Nelf would need hotter hairstyles

[sharp meteor]

nelf is tall mmmm

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Big dommy mommy?

[nimble jasper]

no idea my warr is hooman rn

💀

[wheat jay]

Hard to find a dommy mommy when you're 187

Sadge

[sharp meteor]

tfw 198

[nimble jasper]

what the

[sharp meteor]

tempted to setup my hooman

they look good in lot of stuff mm

[nimble jasper]

yeah

looks dank in dreadnaught

no ripper tho

[wheat jay]

Bro you what

Fucking giraffe

[sharp meteor]

ya its annoyin

[wheat jay]

Find yourself 150 gf

[sharp meteor]

have to eat too much to avoid reaching asmongoldmode

[wheat jay]

[sharp meteor]

[mystic barn]

kg?

[lean burrow]

why does it happen every queue

[warm portal]

Are you asking about the average vs your actual?
average includes healers insta pops

[sage raptor]

Who are you?

[lean burrow]

sat 30 min before queue popped

heartheartheartyheart

[quick ivy]

Question! When a player is at execute hp, do we mash execute like a dog, or do we ms/overpower calm as fuck

[lean burrow]

mash execute

if you got executioner's precision, mash mortal strike after 2 executes

[quick ivy]

Thats what i wanted to hear

[sage raptor]

But was it what you needed?

[red igloo]

guys for pvp do i use the pvp jewelry too? trying to get into soloq and this is what i have so far

[nimble jasper]

if its your best vers neck

[raven jasper]

You need at least 408 pvp ilvl to get into solo shuffle

[red igloo]

almost there

[lean burrow]

just buy honor legs and ring

that's like one bg win

[quick ivy]

In the bleed build, is it best with warlords or blademaster?

[mild thunder]

depends if you have unhinged or not, if you're using sks etc

if you have unhinged and arent using sks, id still take BMT

otherwise, warlords will generally be better

[quick ivy]

Yeah im unhinged with no sks

[mild thunder]

then yea BMT still pretty good imo

depends on what you're versing as well

[quick ivy]

But when playing BMT. when do we use Thunderous roar?

before or after the avatar

[mild thunder]

after

[quick ivy]

since we bladestorm right

aight ty

colossus smash before avatar then i guess

[mild thunder]

yes

[mystic barn]

I’m a big fan of eating the cone rather than the ice cream itself

[mild thunder]

i actually just scrape the icecream off the paddle pop stick and eat the stick

nice and crunchy

[lean burrow]

there's still many leavers

-150 cr is not enough

[nimble jasper]

ez puntos

[worn yoke]

When is the highest value time to use war banner in arena?

[nimble jasper]

stop the most cc

really dependent

[worn yoke]

Like wait for a long fear etc and then drop it reactively?

Or does banner not work like that

[nimble jasper]

i mean you drop banner before a cc happens

kind of requires game knowledge

[worn yoke]

Ok that’s what I’m gettin at. Ty

[nimble jasper]

shortening some cc saves trinkets

and cds

i see so many bad banners

[worn yoke]

But just to be clear, banner would not affect the duration of a cc that has already started correct? So I might use it offensively to delay enemy defensives that I think are coming, or defensively to screw up a cc chain etc

But never reactively

[nimble jasper]

no

banner would be so dumb

[worn yoke]

Thank you

[stable siren]

also with banner u wanna try 2 drop it around a corner, that way it cant be targeted as easily and you still get the cc redcution

[livid yarrow]

is arms better for arena or fury?

[wooden grove]

ngl hit a 100k+ execute and i dont think im going back fury any time soon lmao

[nimble jasper]

fury is discount dh

[lean burrow]

how long does it take

to get 2.4k

bruh queued all day

[fluid berry]

SS queues are dogshit

[lyric gyro]

30 min queue finally pops someone doesn't accept

happens 9/10 times

[lean burrow]

last chance for me to push

before we become Z-tier

[obtuse cape]

As arms, how often should I be in D stance?

in 2s/3s

[sharp meteor]

ideally as little as possible

basically in opener vs stealth and when trading heavily unfavorably

[obtuse cape]

ty

[lean burrow]

if i charge at someone and fear before i reach them

does warbringer break my fear?

didn't have a chance to see

[sharp meteor]

hopefully not

[lean burrow]

time to test in shuffle

and potentially lose

[bright stream]

do in world on a mob

[mild thunder]

they should change shout to a horrify, so it stupidly doesnt break on damage

[flat dome]

I wouldn't even fear before the charge actually landing

Else you'll get in the awkward position of charging and ending up 10 yards away while wasting shout.

[flat dome]

Honestly, I think arms is going to see a net gain in damage

People sleeping on the overpower buff

[drifting jacinth]

no it aint tf

20% is not gonna carry the amount of damage lost from ms

[clever fern]

what do you guys do against full caster lobbies?

how do you play/survive that shit?

[sharp meteor]

hug pillar between goes

[clever fern]

wich goes?

[drifting jacinth]

hide

[clever fern]

i cant have a go against 2 casters lol

[nimble jasper]

whenever they got big dam

[sharp meteor]

wym which goes

if u dont have bolt/spear or allied cc then walk away

or walk and hit the safer target

warr in middle of map trying to pve without cds just dies

[lethal rivet]

is fury good in pvp or is arms just way better?

[drifting jacinth]

use spell reflect

[sharp meteor]

fury seemin kind of weaksauce rn

[clever fern]

spell reflect is useless against a lobbie with ele/destro/disc

[sharp meteor]

its still 20% wall

which is very useful

[drifting jacinth]

twenny puhcent is still 20%

[flat dome]

Except for the fact it's gonna cause overpower to hit nearly as hard as ms

When taking into account seismic reverberations

[drifting jacinth]

who tf takes seismic in pvp

[flat dome]

Literally all builds? Lmao

[sharp meteor]

?

[flat dome]

Oops, I meant dreadnaugt

[sharp meteor]

i can see barbaric but idk about siesmic

[lean burrow]

wtf is seismic

[flat dome]

Naught*

[drifting jacinth]

a pioneer usin whirlwind in pvp

[sharp meteor]

sword of storms with barbic seems fine

then run without rend

[fluid thorn]

Finally broke 1800 on my fury alt. Bloodrage is just great pvp talent.

[sharp meteor]

ya bloodrage bis i never swap it out

[drifting jacinth]

nah whirlwind and slam are basically the same thing

[fluid thorn]

I sometimes pick something else... And then I regret it almost Immediately. 😂

[sharp meteor]

ya even if no roots it's a ton of off global rage and rips off slows

[flat dome]

Point being, overpower is gonna slap

And people are then gonna complain about it on forums

[lean burrow]

do they ever stop?

[drifting jacinth]

give it 3 charges

[flat dome]

When warriors are free kills

Though I guess in a caster lobby, you are a free kill

[sharp meteor]

patented tuesday slam meme build

my mmr and teammates shall suffer

[wooden grove]

so only solo shuffle rating is based on spec

[sharp meteor]

yes

[wooden grove]

but you only get one mmr

for every spec

[sharp meteor]

offspecs are lower i thought

queued into 2600 buddy on his 1900 offspec when setting up an alt

[drifting jacinth]

remove alts from pvp

[sharp meteor]

alts are life

[drifting jacinth]

asmon doin 3's rn

kinda funny

[sharp meteor]

is it

[drifting jacinth]

dude starts his matches soloing caster

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

ya i open it and he's kicking into aura then bolts the guy his sham lassos

then loses the 1300 mmr match

[drifting jacinth]

"Im not gonna get gladiator anymore this shits too hard"

[mild thunder]

asmongoloid moment

i dont understand how people unironically watch that guy

[drifting jacinth]

"If 1400 is harder than this it aint happenin"

[drifting jacinth]

dude's awesome wym

[sharp meteor]

idk i open it up and it's just some depressed dude feeding

like why

[mild thunder]

literally famous for embodying every negative stereotype about gamers

[drifting jacinth]

he's relatable XD

[flat dome]

Outside his character, he is actually rather intelligent and well spoken

[mild thunder]

the "character" thing is a cope, one of the guy's first and most famous videos was cleaning his coom-ridden, mouldy bedroom

[drifting jacinth]

I think most things he points out thats bad about the game are true

[drifting jacinth]

most relatable millionaire

[flat dome]

Never said he wasn't lazy

[mild thunder]

that's not lazy, lazy is "im gonna let this dish soak for a day or two because i cbf", not "my room is going to be an altar to the mould gods"

[lean burrow]

it's over

[flat dome]

That's some arbitrary metric

[lean burrow]

now I can rest

[mild thunder]

that is not arbitrary

the point he was at during those videos is emblematic of either severe addiction or mental illness

[flat dome]

Intelligent people are often messy

[mild thunder]

again, that wasnt messy

that was horribly unhealthy

[drifting jacinth]

some people hit rough patches dawg

[mild thunder]

yea, im not saying that it's bad and horrible - it's pretty sad

[flat dome]

Which again, you are setting an arbitrary line upon what is deemed messy and unhealthy

[mild thunder]

but its also not something to be swept under the rug or idolised

[lyric gyro]

He's just trying to grow his own penicillin so he doesn't have to go to the doctor for antibiotics brother

[drifting jacinth]

Who would idolize that lmfao

[wooden grove]

lol 200k glacial spike i love this game

[sharp meteor]

man lives in a pile of garbage and he's saying arbitrary

[flat dome]

Nobody is idolizing it

[mild thunder]

no, these are basic standards of maintaining proper health. can you wash yourself, can you maintain basic relationships, can you clean up after yourself etc

[sharp meteor]

i thought people watched him because he's a trainwreck of a person

[wooden grove]

why would i wash my hands? got a clean dick

[sharp meteor]

but i can only speculate

[drifting jacinth]

I think the best lesson to learn from the dude is do whatever tf u want

[low cobalt]

grats dude! 💪

[wooden grove]

he even said he got a maid and it just felt weird lmao

[flat dome]

Most people that play this game are socially inept, so point?

[lucid walrus]

take drugs. kill a bear

[mild thunder]

socially awkward is not the same as being a literal addict that cannot maintain their life

[lean burrow]

ty

what do I do with this?

i got some stone, used it, then got another in mail

[mild thunder]

yea it's bugged af

[lean burrow]

appearances didn't even unlock

[flat dome]

Awkard=/=inept

[lyric gyro]

Once you use the stone does it work for other classes armor tints? or just the class you unlock it on?

[mild thunder]

most people that play this game are not socially inept

at least not that ive met

[drifting jacinth]

wtf no way

This game is sperg central

[mild thunder]

pretty much everyone i know in this game is a responsible adult with a successful career, marriage, family etc

[low cobalt]

ye the younger degens arent playing wow lol

[mild thunder]

it's supposed to be acc-wide, but im not sure if it works

[drifting jacinth]

I mean responsibility's cool and all

[flat dome]

People "you" know

[drifting jacinth]

but there are more things to life

like gettin your dick ride all night long

[sharp meteor]

eh decent chunk of them are

but they often keep to themselves

like most stuff in wow requires premade or benefits from it

[mild thunder]

weirdest person ive met was some middle-aged woman that slept with half her guild to stay in the raid team

unironically deranged

[low cobalt]

LOL

[wanton apex]

💀

[flat dome]

Imagine booking flights so you can get bis

[mild thunder]

female privilege in the raid team

[sharp meteor]

yep

[drifting jacinth]

just que solo shuffle

you'll see why ppl talk shit about our playerbase

[sharp meteor]

? feels like every other game

guy dies spazzes out

[mild thunder]

anyway, back to the point - it's fine to watch asmongoloid if you genuinely enjoy his boring ass content, but excusing the absolutely horrible conditions he lived in, or pretending its normal, is pretty worrying

[sharp meteor]

it's like league where top gets 1v1'd then spam pings jungle runs it down mid twice then leaves

DERANGED

[mild thunder]

as much as bajheera gets memed in this channel, at least he's respectable irl

[drifting jacinth]

at least league is a 4 button game

[lean burrow]

have to get 2.4k on dh now to get glaives

who came up with this

[mild thunder]

yea its pretty cringe

esp since the glaives look so damn good

[flat dome]

Which has nothing to do with intelligence

[mild thunder]

i never said it did?

[wooden grove]

50 minute solo shuffle q D:

[fair tide]

Lol watching asmongold pve in arena

Litterly sits one target all game, loses

[drifting jacinth]

I saw him use dbts for 3 of those matches

he is spittin fax on how wow pvp is for poopsockers

[torpid roost]

Ass-mongoloid is fun enough to watch. Not a great pvper

[drifting jacinth]

it takes unemployment to be good at pvp

[sage raptor]

mog broke

[sage raptor]

then why was my only glad a carry? 🤔

[mild thunder]

he's barely an average pvper

[hazy isle]

whats so intelligent bout him

[drifting jacinth]

self/play is the best comp in the game rn

[hazy isle]

he says stuff like stealing is bad dood and everyone sucks him off

[silver arrow]

People having an easier time playing spear or bleeds in solo shuffle?

[hazy isle]

i like his tmog comps tho pretty fun to watch

[drifting jacinth]

idk about the intelligence stuff, most dudes are looking for intellectual daddies nowadays

[mild thunder]

most people look for pseudo-intellectual daddies

[drifting jacinth]

both are dumb

[torpid roost]

I mean the fucked up thing is that some of that needs to be said now

[hazy isle]

kinda sad to look for an intellectual daddy when ur pushing 30

[drifting jacinth]

I think most of the shit he says is agreeable

[hazy isle]

u need a goblin gamer to tell u bad people are bad?

[torpid roost]

Agreeable, if obvious

I don't. But I'm not your average YouTube consumer

[mild thunder]

can someone give an example of a genuinely "intelligent" thing he's said?

[torpid roost]

I don't know of anything deeply profound that he's said

[drifting jacinth]

he could probably tell u a thing or two about business

everyone's a genius at something tho tbh

[bright stream]

Zacs not stupid - don't think I'd call him particularly smart either though

[drifting jacinth]

every real man should be a little dumb

[bright stream]

and it's pretty obvious if you listen to him when he does his 'out of character' content that that's the case

[hazy isle]

"character"

sure

[bright stream]

we've met very different people in our lives 😛

[torpid roost]

You have a strange hateboner for the guy it seems

[hazy isle]

me?

[mild thunder]

yea i still think the whole "character" thing, even if its a partially true, is also cope

[hazy isle]

i like watching asmon

sometimes

[drifting jacinth]

I never thought there was a character

[bright stream]

pretty easy to dislike the 'character' - it's super annoying, and if you've ever run into him in game it's not much better

[torpid roost]

He's either playing a character or he's a fucking schizophrenic

[uneven turret]

do we go back to fury next week? arms dead right

[drifting jacinth]

what's yalls definition of a schizo???

[bright stream]

unlikely, 12% nerf to MS isn't that big of a deal

[mild thunder]

s2 SL gladiator

[hazy isle]

john mcafee

[bright stream]

the behind the bastards episode on this man is some of the most entertaining shit you can listen to

he's actually insane

it's incredible

[drifting jacinth]

dude was built different

in a Hunter S Thompson type of way

[bright stream]

yeah, he is the next Avatar of cocaine after Thompson

[drifting jacinth]

based

[drifting jacinth]

you mean the right season to push?

[mystic barn]

Had a Darius in ranked go 0/11 vs a barrier ww top while I have 32 kills, support brand gets tilted and ints into ap twitch support

LOSE

[bright stream]

Skyhold is degenerate enough without chatting about League of Garbage

[drifting jacinth]

you mean the better pvp game?

[mystic barn]

ya I wanna see you guys bitch more about arms

f tier class

[bright stream]

if you're thinking better PvP game Moba and you don't think of Dota2 or HoN first, now that's mental illness

maybe you're also doing a 'character' thing

[drifting jacinth]

no better than wow lmfao

[mild thunder]

anytime i do something wrong, im actually just playing a character

[mystic barn]

guy with a furry pic giving people the beat down over their preferences 🫠

[bright stream]

mate, Worms 3D is a better PvP Moba than LoL

[drifting jacinth]

Kanye was just playin a character

[mystic barn]

I forgot about kanye

[mild thunder]

everyone did

[drifting jacinth]

hes missing apparently

[sharp meteor]

🐺

[mystic barn]

is that why I stopped seeing swastikas all over Reddit

[bright stream]

I'm an old man now - there are consequences to choosing your online handle before people start to figure out weird hobbies. 😦

[mild thunder]

did he withdraw his presidential run already?

[mystic barn]

idk he was hot for a minute then dissapearsd

I don’t follow Kanye

[mild thunder]

that alex jones interview, what a ride

when you're making him seem reasonable, you've probably gone a touch too far

[bright stream]

BtB on Alex jones is also excellent

I'm old enough to remember a highschool friend framing another highschool friend for a furry folder on a USB and get away with because none of us understood what furries were at the time. I'm full blown abe simpson. 😦

[mild thunder]

honestly, these are the days i wake up and am grateful that im not a yankee

[bright stream]

every day man, every single day

I live next to a school, partner works there. Zero chance of schootings.

(and it's a rough af school)

[drifting jacinth]

The US is basically the LA of the planet

[mild thunder]

oh dude, the amount of times ive gotten kicked or reported for school shooting jokes in rbg teams

is hilarious

[bright stream]

LOL

RBG community hella cringe

can never get past them being massive ego lords while demanding that their warlocks kickbot and dotbot back in warlords

[mild thunder]

its such an easy go-to roast

[lean burrow]

ZZ-tier now

[mild thunder]

arms could get a literal 1% nerf and people would cry

[lean burrow]

isn't it already 1% nerf

[mild thunder]

im pre sure overall its supposed to be ~3%, but that doesnt really account for where it's felt

but yea the nerfs are nothing

[lyric gyro]

I just don't want to have to press slam

slam feels terribad

[bright stream]

I dont think thats really going to change

[mild thunder]

there is a next to 0% chance slam becomes worthwhile

[wooden grove]

what pieces of tier is arms running rn

[sharp meteor]

not helm

[worldly tartan]

so is bleed arms the new go to build

[sharp meteor]

I think that we'll be building around DN on Tuesday.

[copper hare]

Zugon?

Zugon might be the move

[mild thunder]

actually i think it might be worth to go for the Gargolmar build

[lucid walrus]

i got a buddy with this one

so good

[fossil mortar]

So I heard arms got nerfed. SMF daggerbuild is now the way to go

[dusty pecan]

hi, what stats should i go for arms pvp conquest gear? i see conflicting gear from top palyers

when would oyu go bleed build

[sharp meteor]

when u feel like

which for me is when i don't think i get much value off spear in the matchup

[dusty pecan]

got it, thank you mr. duck

[thick reef]

The chad move is to never Spear and always turn your opponents into walking tampons

[grand scaffold]

i used to be

ive been 2400 as fury but like as of rn i enjoy arms way more

[thick reef]

Fury is in such a shit position atm though

[proper acorn]

yea its terrible, especially when you cant stack MS because any dogshit MS over 3% takes prio

just lack of agency, have to pray for damp

[thick reef]

Yeah, at this point taking Slaugherhouse is incorrect

[proper acorn]

which is the whole reason fury was strong in the first place

crazy