pvp

[mild thunder]

the issue with slam isnt numbers, its that it lacks interaction with the rest of our rotation

[grand scaffold]

^

yeah

[mild thunder]

which is why its untouched in pve now too

[frank knoll]

Thank Xaryu for that

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[frank knoll]

He got hit for a 150k MS
Cried about it on stream

[grand scaffold]

slam wont be a thing

[steep inlet]

im so fed up with guys like xaryu whaaz making warrior nerf everytime

its getting old

[grand scaffold]

xaryu is a bitch

pikaboo ftw

[frank knoll]

Then mysteriously Warrior getting nerfed 2 weeks later

[grand scaffold]

hes atleast funny sometimes

[mild thunder]

literally spams glacial spike for 200k

[grand scaffold]

yeah

tf is that

[green wyvern]

so slam is getting buffed by 30% in pvp right

which means

[mild thunder]

40

[grand scaffold]

40%

[green wyvern]

ah

[grand scaffold]

i did the math its not convicing

[green wyvern]

anyway, that is

[frank knoll]

Mage is trash according to him

[green wyvern]

from 35% of attack power to 49%

[mild thunder]

frost mage isnt that great, but even a shit class shouldnt be hitting for 200k

[green wyvern]

so add all the modifiers from talents to that 49%

[mild thunder]

ret was never particularly good, but its burst was retard mode and needed to be nerfed

[grand scaffold]

its gonna hit for about 60k on cd's

rather just press overpower

for no rage cost

and no talent points

[green fern]

out of the 3 builds in pins, whats the best one atm?

for solo shuffle

[grand scaffold]

B L E E D S

B L E E D S

but

[mild thunder]

its situational

[grand scaffold]

not the one in pins

[mild thunder]

no one is best

[grand scaffold]

the one in pins garbo

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERCJJpUKJBAAAAEEJiGJAR0QSCJhmEhEASkAAAAAAAAQiSiIAQDB

idk i got 2500 with this

was struggling to get to 2400 with spear

2500 didnt feel hard

[mild thunder]

dude

[frank knoll]

I think the spear MS is good for shuffle

[mild thunder]

thats literally the build in pins

[grand scaffold]

nah

the one in pins is different

it runs warbreaker and improved ss

[mild thunder]

it runs improved ss

thats the only change

[grand scaffold]

what about warbreaker

[mild thunder]

and improved ss is definitely better than SoA for most situations

it doesnt run warbreaker

[grand scaffold]

0_0

improved ss better?

[mild thunder]

ss is probably our best ability

dps ability*

[grand scaffold]

idk

i see most players running strength of arms

i like chonking rogues through evasion

[mild thunder]

• Swap between Improved Sweeping Strikes and Strength of Arms if you're going to get use out of the +6 seconds.

[grand scaffold]

yeah

maybe run improved ss into melee cleave

[mild thunder]

idk, you link a build and call the one in pins shit, but your build has one change thats literally accounted for in pins...

[grand scaffold]

wait

lemme check the one in pins

i dont remember it being similar

unless i copied the wrong one

[mild thunder]

its a TRoar + no sks build

[grand scaffold]

i copied the wrong one

[mild thunder]

[grand scaffold]

mb

i copied sks one

hahahaha

[green wyvern]

yep warrior got farmed hard

better nerf warrior more

cant have warriors pose threat to rogues in any way

[frank knoll]

Assa got dumpstered too

[mild thunder]

RPX got nerfed

assa thug cleave and assa RMP still going to be good

[frank knoll]

Frost mage/Destro/MW will be an S tier comp next week

[mild thunder]

no, stop

please

dont even say it

[grand scaffold]

bro

[green wyvern]

assa didnt get dumpstered

this is copium

[grand scaffold]

thats like talking about school

on sunday

dont do it

[green wyvern]

assa got a 5% dmg nerf

[grand scaffold]

bro like literally

im getting 2600

and not playing anymore

i cant manage destro as is

[mild thunder]

people are definitely overreacting to the destro changes

[grand scaffold]

nah

[mild thunder]

blizz is right in identifying chaos bolt not being their main source of damage, and the "buff" is to counter a bugfix that was going to nerf them

[grand scaffold]

yeah but like

[mild thunder]

Soul Fire damage increased 20%.
Incinerate damage increased 5%.

[grand scaffold]

chaos bolt trucks your health rn

[mild thunder]

and these mean literally nothing

[grand scaffold]

so another 25%

yikes

[mild thunder]

chaos bolt doesnt even hit that hard though, compared to how it was in SL

[grand scaffold]

COMPARED

still hits hard

[mild thunder]

you can facetank 2-3 hits right now without CDs, and you'll drop low but you'll survive

look at any destro's damage breakdown, and their top damage is never CB

[frank knoll]

They keep trying to make soulfire an thing

I main a Destro, I liked not having all of my damage baked into a 2sec cast that locks be out of ever if I get kicked

[mild thunder]

yea people see CB buff and think omg destro OP

[grand scaffold]

bro

its literally a buff

just think about it

[frank knoll]

Most of ur damage is conflag or incenerate rn

[mild thunder]

its not though

[grand scaffold]

they OFFSET a bug

with a buff

meaning

[frank knoll]

Yeah it is

[grand scaffold]

higher single target dmg

with

same cleave

[frank knoll]

And shadowburn

[grand scaffold]

idk im not a fan

[mild thunder]

CB isnt even their main contributor in ST damage

[grand scaffold]

usually incinerate

which is another 5% buff

[mild thunder]

this is some brainrot doomerism

none of the actual changes they're implementing are bad, there's just not enough

[grand scaffold]

not enough

-_-

idk bro i find destro hard to beat currently

[mild thunder]

destro is definitely not a top tier spec

its good, but its not even close to the same level as top specs

[grand scaffold]

agree to disagree

what would you say are top tier casters

[mild thunder]

the ones that dont cast

[grand scaffold]

such as

bm hunter?

[mild thunder]

sp, ele, probably arcane

demo is pretty strong

[grand scaffold]

demo pretty strong but more beatable than destro

[mild thunder]

maybe in shuffle because people are idiots and dont run from tyrant

but they shouldnt be tuning based on shuffle

[grand scaffold]

nah

destro stronger is what im saying

[mild thunder]

I’m pretty confident that it’s not

Even if it were, I think they’re both probably a step down from sp and ele

[grand scaffold]

idk

[frank knoll]

Ele dodgint nerfs

[grand scaffold]

destro super managable

[frank knoll]

Ele is bonkers

[grand scaffold]

demo*

[mild thunder]

As is destro

Neither spec is that busted tbh, they’re just annoying to play against

[grand scaffold]

maybe

[mild thunder]

Annoying to play against does not equal overpowered

[hot lichen]

For those running raging blow + spear of bastion, how’s it going? I just didn’t enjoy arms personally fury is my shit

[mild thunder]

No one’s running it

[frank knoll]

Yeah u wanna do the annihilator/TR build

[mild thunder]

The rb build is mostly there because it looked lame with only one fury build

And if when I occasionally run fury, it’s what I play

[frank knoll]

I ran into a fury playing ravager last night

[grand scaffold]

how was that

😂

[quick ivy]

Someone knows if Antorus Myth Scythe farm is soloable now?

[grand scaffold]

it is

if you can get passed the garden

i cant

[mild thunder]

Yea it’s pretty easy

[quick ivy]

yeah idk if i can get passed garden

[mild thunder]

Just look up the mythic eonar guide on wowhead

[grand scaffold]

garden is stupid

[real aspen]

what’s the 2v2 arms talent setup, spear or roar?

[mild thunder]

It’s easy now

All legion raids are easily soloable now, they just need to look at bfa raids

Opulence is literally impossible because it just despawns

[grand scaffold]

RAAAWR

[real aspen]

based

what else do you really swap out?

Besides spear

[frank knoll]

Is tomb of Sargeras soloable?

I can’t kill fallen avatar

[mild thunder]

Yep

I can’t even remember which one avatar is, but I didn’t have any trouble on any of the bosses

[tribal wedge]

kil jaeden isn't imo

[mild thunder]

It is

[mild thunder]

just hold CDs on the opener, dont get knocked off, then kill him when he comes back on the platform

easy

[hot solstice]

Assa on AWC is such a joke

still spec gets barely touched

[steep inlet]

They took a big hit

[hot solstice]

u call 4set and ms bug a big hit?

good joke

20k ticks garrote 40% of damage was balanced under some good weed

[spice hornet]

i like how unholy dk makes an entire shuffle lobby miserable

zoo of pets, retard passive damage

basically has 3 trinkets

[vocal frigate]

How do I reprogram my brain into Arms PVP. I normally Prot tank for mythic raids and mid-high keys.

I used to beat cheeks way back in 3.3.5a, but that was in the a n c i e n t times.

Now I can barely pressure for some reason.

[hot solstice]

start with binding ''S''

[mild thunder]

dont worry, its getting ner... wait

[vocal frigate]

I don't backpedal.

Who the fuck backpedals even in PVE lol

[low cobalt]

me

[hot solstice]

hmmm, tanks?

[mild thunder]

ragnaros players

quel'thalas players

[vocal frigate]

What tanks you see backpedalling

[hot solstice]

gues no 2s fans here...so sick oth those assa every game

[hot solstice]

its actual easier to put boss on the right spot with backpedal

[copper hare]

4 set doesnt even gave high impact

its like a 5% nerf overall

nothing will change

[hot solstice]

that what I am sayinn

for me the solution is nerf bleeds and buff poison damage...so they will need to at least use some envenoms

[copper hare]

idk why they are always so afraid to nerf rogue/mage/priest when they don't give a shit when they nerf other specs

its so hilarious

they could have nerfed garrote by a flat 50% in pvp

[hot solstice]

I can parry deathmark on full hp but dots+disc damage will 100%-0 me anyway

[grand scaffold]

yeah

its daft

warrior literally needs 15% d stance

[lucid walrus]

it has it

[grand scaffold]

i mean

[copper hare]

queued 2s into qwneers rogue, he literally did 40k dps on 2 people while his disc did 20k dps

[grand scaffold]

we need to take 15% less dmg

[copper hare]

in a 2 1/2 min game

[grand scaffold]

not do 15% less dmg

[copper hare]

idk how that is fine

[lucid walrus]

yeah it should be 15% mitigation now

damage penalty just blows

[vocal frigate]

Never had that issue tbh

[slim knoll]

It doesn't even feel like warrior is A tier.

[copper hare]

it is, trust me

just not when you face assa

[grand scaffold]

warrior is A tier

peels are solid in solo shuffle if you peel properly and are losing because teammates are dying

[copper hare]

warriors tier depends on the healer you play with

[grand scaffold]

not your fault

yeah

[copper hare]

I get 2 good healers in my shuffle lobby I usually go 5-1 or 6-0

I get 2 fotm disc priests in my lobby I go 1-5

[grand scaffold]

yeah

i dont generally lose with good healers

[slim knoll]

How does solo shuffle work? Is it possible to get the shit healer more than 3 times?

[grand scaffold]

hpriest is horrid to play with

no

[hot solstice]

idk for last 3 seasons I can push 2s only with resto shams....meybe cause they try hard the most

[copper hare]

you play with each healer 3 times

[slim knoll]

Just had an dps evoker go 5-1 he was really oppressive and hard to lock down

[copper hare]

There is also these lobbies where one healer is sooo much better than the other and every dps automatically goes 3-3

[limber wagon]

casters on large map is kinda kekw for me

[vocal frigate]

I'm actually lost, though. What's the order of operations on target prio

[grand scaffold]

melee cleave = whatever you can kill

(if you against melee cleave)

against melee caster

[hot solstice]

I find monks and dh to be the squshiest

[grand scaffold]

focus the caster unless its an arcane mage

in caster cleaves

never focus arcane mages

focus whatever stops dmg

into destro frost focus frost mage

[slim knoll]

why frost over destro? Lock feels unkillable right now just super tanky but I keep getting all ranged games

[grand scaffold]

because

frost mage dies

as you said lock feels unkillable

and

focusing a frost mage stops more dmg

[copper hare]

there is no spec like dh where you insantly know if that guy is bad or good

like arms obliterates bad dh players

[grand scaffold]

lock can do dmg without casting chaos bolt

[slim knoll]

they're getting a 40% buff on chaos bolt tuesday

[copper hare]

but good dh players are almost impossible to kill

[hot solstice]

outside of blur it takes the most damage

though u can stun blur

warbringer+mortal with stacks= 50% dh

tricky part is those glimpse etc mechanics

[hot solstice]

its +40% up from +15%

[slim knoll]

How much of a difference is a crit wep gonna feel? I have been stuck with mastery since the start

[hot solstice]

there is no much good dh in shuffle

[vocal frigate]

I'm also a bit lost on CD use. I try to not rally for myself if I can help it, but I'm often a kill target so I usually have to. So far I'm intervening other allies if they're kill targets or to get to them as mobility to get away from burst or pressure.

But actually setting up kills feels like I'm swinging in the wind.

[copper hare]

I mean the good dh players are usually 3k+ right now :D

I haven't seen a single dh 2.6 mmr or so taking reverse once for example, not even vs aff/hunt

[hot solstice]

I have faced only 1 good dh....lost in late dampening vs Tren as arms/rsham vs dh/mw s4 SL

flying bastards on blades edge

[native thunder]

These all caster lobbies are so trash

[wheat jay]

You dont set up kills like rogue or mage

You do constant dmg and slap burst

You setting up kills is using sharpen 1s before CC ends on healer so they can't top the kt instantly

And using your burst properly

[slim knoll]

u use burst when they get low?

[vocal frigate]

Hmm.

[wheat jay]

No, you use sharpen when CC on healer is close to ending or when your pressure is high

Its a 50% healing reduction

You dont want to use it on cooldown to waste it

[fickle forge]

You gotta use CDs to even get them low in the first place

😎👍

[torpid roost]

I usually just watch what's happening and burst accordingly, like, oh they LoSed their healer

though if I have a CD for >15sec and don't use it I start to get antsy

[cosmic rover]

for fury do you prio 4 set or 2set and higher ilvl pieces?

[slender lion]

how do you play 2s vs SS?

[kindred sedge]

im about sick of these fucking prot palas in SS

[sharp meteor]

sharpen gooder

have uptime during smash

[pure hornet]

Guyz anyone ever tought of rerolling dh?

[scarlet barn]

Only weaklings

Iike @summer stone

[sharp meteor]

not rly

rogue tho

hmm

[pure hornet]

Yeah but he is the easyer version of warrior

[sharp meteor]

i don't wanna be a cringe elf

[pure hornet]

Rogues die too fast and req higher management

We are zugs not einsteins

[sharp meteor]

i have never zugged harder than on assa

literally w key 1 guy and kidney off dr

[pure hornet]

Sub is harder at high rating

[mystic barn]

rogues are actually quite tanky if they know how to step defensively and also use their dcds well

[pure hornet]

Or so i heard

[mystic barn]

Lel

They have a lot of outs and stuff to trade

[sharp meteor]

sub requires a degree of coordination

[mystic barn]

and pressure = defense

Fair

Sub also does nothing until someone trinkets then duels kidney 1 shot

[sharp meteor]

sub is weird in that there's like a handful of okay ones

then the ones floating down at like 1.7k mad at their team

because doing a 321 countdown on stuff is

finicky

[summer stone]

why do you ping me in this hellhole

[scarlet barn]

Because i can

[frank knoll]

Sub is the tankiest rogue spec

Outlaw is tanky too but does no damage

[slender lion]

my cancel bladestorm macro doesnt work unless ive got unhinged? hurricane it doesnt cancel

[glossy sable]

aff locks and demos are shredding me

[lucid walrus]

hurricane prevents bladestorm cancel

[sharp meteor]

hurricane disables the ability to cancel storm

can take neither and still cancel

or unhinged

[slender lion]

yeah thankd for confirming

[sharp meteor]

hurricane also nerfed by i think half

still, unhinged kind of unappealing into pet spam teams

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/storm-florence-hurricane-florence-jokes-street-fighter-gif-12493663

Fuck pets blade storm them all

[wary axle]

thats ryu

from street fighter iii: 3rd strike

if u didnt know

[cinder thorn]

No that's me bladestorming warlock and DK pets

[wary axle]

oh ur right sorry didnt have my glasses on

[cinder thorn]

No problem bro

[quick ivy]

Is the builds in the pins updated?

[cinder thorn]

Not since they were posted

Make ur own

Stop depending on other people's shit

[quick ivy]

Thanks 🙂 Nice guy

[cinder thorn]

You want them to play game for you too?

Sorry I'm on my period

[quick ivy]

What a nice community discord. Sorry for interupting

[cinder thorn]

I said sorry I'm on my period what the hell you so sensitive

[quick ivy]

Thanks

[cinder thorn]

This is warrior discord where men have periods

Of anger

Frequently

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-gif-25976706

Makes you do more dps

[wary axle]

if u arent using spear in the first 10 seconds ur playing wrong

[steel trout]

theyre fine yeah

[native thunder]

How does 4/6 give me 0 rating

[steel trout]

cuz ur mmr is lower than ur cr

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-tbc-wow-overaggro-wow-tank-wow-warlock-warlock-overaggro-gif-25473744

[native thunder]

So lame

[cinder thorn]

I can't stop laughing at this

[green fern]

what the stance changing macro? mine isnt working

[mild thunder]

Scroll down in the pins

Pretty sure that one still works

[green fern]

this one?

#showtooltip
/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance

ty ty

[mild thunder]

Yea it’s made to work for fury and arms

[granite bridge]

Hey, is there an add on for saving bar setups when moving between pvp and pve?

[sharp meteor]

reflex

also doesn't default ui do that now

[rare ibex]

Reflex saves bars? I thought it just kept track of rounds?

[sharp meteor]

er myslot

was thinkin of reflux which swapped all addons profiles

[idle rampart]

would any higher cr warriors down for coaching? im so bad at the game :(...

[wary axle]

just spear in the first 10 seconds

seriously

stun warbreaker spear first 3 globals

[mild thunder]

just kill them before they kill you

game = solved

[wary axle]

don’t even worry about doing anything but parsing until 1850

wall at 50% no matter what

[mild thunder]

dude thats way too high... wall at 20% once you see your healer has already used big defensives on you 😎 🤙

[wary axle]

[lyric gyro]

best pieces to get after weapon/2 set? Do people wear the 4 set in arena for arms?

[sharp meteor]

ya 4pc seems good

[gentle roost]

how does arms warr rotation work?

[sharp meteor]

u press mortal chop

[high star]

exe proc > ms > exe

flail random shit otherwise

[mild thunder]

press ms on cd, press op when ms isn't up

press ignore pain when op is on cd

try and save exe procs if cs is coming off cooldown, otherwise send them

if you find yourself in the incredibly rare situation where ms and op are both on cd, hamstring is already applied and still has most of its duration left, you have spare rage and ignore pain is on cooldown, no exe proc available

then you can press rend

[gentle roost]

so it's ms>op> ignore pain

[wary axle]

ya

and if u get an exe proc hold it so u can do cs -> ms -> exe

[mild thunder]

basically, but IP is off-gcd so if you have the spare rage you can throw a rend in that gcd

[gentle roost]

what's cs?

[mild thunder]

colossus smash

[gentle roost]

is that a talent?

[sharp meteor]

are we being memed

[gentle roost]

?

[torpid roost]

4pc is good, but the 2p is... I wouldn't call it "mandatory" but the 2p is very very good

[elfin surge]

yo throwback to shadowlands season 4 enchant

that shit was liiiiiit

[mild thunder]

at least SL had an enchant

[elfin surge]

trying to SS the one frame it actually shows up was impossible

[wheat jay]

Wait there was s4 enchant?

Huh

Dafuq is that xD

[gentle roost]

is Warbreaker better than CS?

[rare ibex]

Warbreaker just spreads the CS debuff in AOE.

[sharp meteor]

the gold shimmer rly shouldn't have been the pvp enchant

glorious tyranny making people look like a sith lord

a decade ago

[green fern]

what weapon enchant do we use?

[sharp meteor]

uh probably sophic devo r3

i could see a case for uhh frozen writ as well as it's vers proc

defensively although it will be worse offensively

[thick reef]

Fury lads, 2x Sophic?

Or Sophic/Frozen?

[hidden zodiac]

does it really matter which pieces i tier?

[steel trout]

not helmet

[hidden zodiac]

i was deciding between hands and shoulders

[thick reef]

Not Helm or Boots

[hybrid solstice]

did arms pull ahead of fury by a bunch this patch or is it roughly even now?

[thick reef]

Arms > Fury assuming Arms isn't a fucking shitter

[hybrid solstice]

by how much, a full tier? or like half a tier

[thick reef]

Yes

[topaz tulip]

Did they add a new item for sockets? Starting to see a bunch on pvp gear but can't figure out why

[steel trout]

its from vault

if u dont want to take a item u can take a currency

[topaz tulip]

Ahhh, missed that because until this week all my stuff has been upgrades. I'll take a look, thanks

[muted surge]

Is arms still better after the nerfs

Or will it be a prot era

[tribal wedge]

always has been ...

[torpid roost]

I mean, OP and Slam getting buffed, just MS should hit less like a train now

while I like the snappy burst even outside of CDs that we have, this isn't a yuge nerf

[severe basin]

Blood DK I think

[mild thunder]

no, arms is dead

D tier spec

[frozen spruce]

D for dead?

[copper hare]

should have buffed overpower by 100%

perma 120k overpowers would have been fun

#fuckevasion

[vapid tartan]

does it matter what weapon type I use? Honor sword gives haste, and the mace gives crit which I need more of

[eager lake]

how are we (arms) supposed to play against spriest and aff lock? i feel like i have a 20% WR against that

[twilit patio]

if you get a double or triple caster lobby, and its on a big/open map

you just lose

[eager lake]

yeah i feel like those are impossible

[coral robin]

should i use 408 non pvp set if i dont have the pvp one yet? 😒

need the 2 set bonus...

[twilit patio]

earlier i had ele/boomy/destro on nokhuud arena with double disc

at 2.4

did not go well

on smaller maps like the graveyard one, ive been able to pull off 3-3 against all caster though, its just super super in and out pillar humping

[eager lake]

fucking hate warlocks man

they have like 500k hp

wtf is that

[quaint osprey]

dang feels like i was sabotaging myself with the spear now that i tried roar

that shit slaps

[thick reef]

Bleeding Arms players through Die by the Meme is fucking great

[copper hare]

disc feels awful as a healer in shuffle, specially since most of them are fotm priests

and getting matched with 1.8 discs on 2.6 is just awful

spec into big dome > don't press it once

[sharp meteor]

sit on rapture for 3 rounds

burn barrier and both ps's in the first 15 seconds

start panic flashing

[worthy fern]

@copper hare it should be good but all of the rerollers are so terrible

[copper hare]

damn your priests use cds?

[sharp meteor]

ya when im at 19%

[copper hare]

The guys I get matched with usually don't use anything until everyone is on 15% and then they press any single button and can't recover

:D

[sharp meteor]

weird that disc not getting any tweaks

just everybody murdering each other with max dam for a few weeks

80% of shuff heals are disc

[copper hare]

Ye I think the cd/healing is in line, but the damage is definitely not

disc and assa make 2s absolutely unplayable rn

[sharp meteor]

ya chill alt elite sets and bgs for me rn

professions are also a fun time

[twilit patio]

yeah i play a nutty skullsplitter build

only lobbies i lose to are basically pillar humping casters or ppl on my team not using defensives

lobby luck has been realllllly bad today though every time i get close to 2.4 again lol

[copper hare]

I really like playing 2s usually, maybe that makes me a masochist idk, but I'm defintely too bad to play on r1 level in 3s but in 2s I can usually always play against r1 and learn something on high mmr, but holy fuck that bracket is so fucking dead. Like in 30 games we faced Assa/disc 27 times

how is blizzard so blind

[twilit patio]

2s is so bad as warr man

if you que into anything root heavy

insta loss

like mm/rdruid

mage/rdruid

wish they let arms take bloodrage

[copper hare]

The only thing you can do is play with rdruid or crane monk

anything else is useless

[twilit patio]

yeah i agree, 2s is a meme though

[sour canopy]

is skullspliter good?

[twilit patio]

its setup oriented but yeah

its really good dmg

[copper hare]

yeah, probably getting a lil better aswell next week when the dmg shifts a bit away from mortal strike

[twilit patio]

you can very easily 50% to 0 someone that is being greedy with wall

[sour canopy]

Oh? I must not understand how it works by reading it

You're using the pinned one yeah?

Thunderous Roar + Skullsplitter (more experimental build)
BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgWiERSSSSKlSSAAAAABRiAJAR0okkIJhmEhEAOQkAAAAAAAAQCJiAAQA

I might try it out

[twilit patio]

earlier i globaled a dk behind a pillar with bolt->roar->sks combo

almost the same as mine

im convinced that fast footwork does nothing

[sour canopy]

Mind posting your export? Also, how does skullsplitter work exactly... it doesn't look great?

[twilit patio]

you basically have fresh rend up on a target, csmash which also applies deep wounds, then sks next global

and it uses up the entirety of both bleeds instnatly

so does like the 35k from rend and w/e your deep wouunds is at once

and each tick can crit

[sour canopy]

Ahhh it uses up the bleed damage. I see

[twilit patio]

BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWCJRSSSiSpkEAAAAQQkIakAERDJSSSoJRQAHgDEJAAAAAAAAkokgAANEA

thats mine rn

[sour canopy]

that's interesting actually

[twilit patio]

i change a talent here or there

[sour canopy]

I'll give it a try for sure

[twilit patio]

takes some practice but its nice

gets reall ygood against double melee with sweep, you can do the whole combo to both targets

[sour canopy]

insane

[frank knoll]

What’s SKS

[lunar kite]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-war-lolol-cat-gif-14517852

[sharp meteor]

splitter of skull move

bleed bonk

[frank knoll]

Skullplitter huh

What’s it mean by “makes your bleeds expire”

[unique elbow]

instead of doing it over time it pops the damage it would have done instantly

[frank knoll]

Woah

That’s nuts

You you bleed em up and then use SKS

[frank knoll]

Does it do this for roar too?

[twilit patio]

it does not

[sharp meteor]

Roar unaffected but there's a roar talent that increases all bleeds.

[frank knoll]

So apply and amp bleeds before using SKS

[copper hare]

SKS affecting roar would be too hilarious lol

like 160k alone from roar in a global haha

[thick reef]

it will for sure

might see more of it

[mild thunder]

i wish they kept it from beta

at least for a week, would've been hilarious

[grand scaffold]

me personally i wouldnt use sks till ms build is gone

[mild thunder]

"me personally" 🤓

[twilit patio]

i find way more success with bleed build then ms build

[grand scaffold]

Lrofl

🤣

[mild thunder]

it was low-hanging fruit, i had to do it

[red igloo]

guys what gear is it better to farm out for pvp first? the blood token one or the honor one

[thick reef]

conq

especially since it is about to uncap anyway

[red igloo]

how do i get conq then i only got 160

[past jolt]

Honor set i couldn’t tell ya cause I always do a few bg levels for fun so I end up having enougb to get a full set right when I cap…. Don’t try to farm out world PvP set.. just the weekly spark quest for now

[red igloo]

arlight ty

also this spear of bastion build got so many fucking buttons 💀

im not used to this many ona warrior

[lucid walrus]

bleed build is even worse about it

[grand scaffold]

ati wot

how was my mmr that low

wasnt even on a losing streak

its literally 70 points below me

like literally tf

[sterile vector]

hi guys i have a problem and need ur help

I try to create a macro

#showtooltip
/cast [know:198817] Sharpen Blade; [know:236320] War Banner

[grand scaffold]

alr whats the macro

thats not a good one

you never swap between the two

i wouldnt run that if i were you

make 2 separate keybinds for that

[sterile vector]

i understand

But there is no way to create it?

[grand scaffold]

im not too great at macros but can try to help in a bit

quick question

surv dh

focus who

need a fast answer

[sterile vector]

dh

[grand scaffold]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Wrecking Throw] Wrecking Throw; Shattering Throw

try editing this

[sterile vector]

this is a talent normal

maybe this a pvp talents

[grand scaffold]

back

uh

oh shnit

you are right

idk for pvp talents

i wouldnt run that macro tho

its not a good idea to ever drop sharpen

[lean burrow]

Sharpen Blade(PVP Talent)

[mild thunder]

the macro would look like this:

#showtooltip
/cast [known:war banner] war banner
/cast [known:sharpen blade] sharpen blade

but you should never use that macro

[grand scaffold]

yeah

not a good idea

[mild thunder]

sharpen is locked in for pretty much every matchup, and war banner is good for like 70-80% of matchups

[grand scaffold]

yeah

generally you run sharpen warbanner warbringer

against melee that you CAN disarm drop warBRINGER for disarm

thats basically all you can change generally speaking

[mild thunder]

war banner is super easy to play around if people have functional brain cells

[grand scaffold]

yeah

in solo shuffle its so good

[mild thunder]

to the point where some matchups can provide literally zero value

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[sterile vector]

TY

I not trying to change, we need sb with sometimes need play rbg

and need use this flag

only for one

reason

[opaque quarry]

Still confused on why you put them together though but ok.

[mild thunder]

me too

sharpen is omega strong in rbgs, its literally the reason to bring an arms warrior

[grand scaffold]

yeah

so dont drop it

[opaque quarry]

That and you'll be using SB multiple times while Banner is a on CD.

So you'll be tracking two CDs but only showing one?

[grand scaffold]

he wants the macro to swap between the two

idk why

[sterile vector]

Jeje

ty for all

[grand scaffold]

boomy assa rogue

focus who

answer rq

[opaque quarry]

rip

[grand scaffold]

what do you guys think i should focus

[opaque quarry]

Well you're higher CR. But prob rogue for me cause fuck em. Or cleave off boomie to rogue if he's a dumb.

[grand scaffold]

i went boomy

it worked

[opaque quarry]

sounds about right. Keep the pressure so they dont shit

[spice hornet]

Boomy left alone can do a lot of dam and control the game easily with clone rotation

[grand scaffold]

back to 2450

garbo healers

cant handle a destro lock

[mild thunder]

tbf stopping boomy clones can be kinda rough too

trying to kick 0.5s casts with oce ping

[visual hedge]

Rogues always show their ass eventually

I’m a shitter but I don’t let them start sapping and what not

[sharp meteor]

Randomly tabbed and killed like 3 rogues tonight.

I wonder if they just forget that they can walk away.

[fallen spruce]

is there a macro for wrecking/shattering throw

[nimble jasper]

bad ones generally do

[night crescent]

What is the roar/bleed burst go?

[mild thunder]

sks or no sks?

sks - fresh rend > cs > sks > ms > TRoar
no sks - cs > TRoar > regular burst

just make sure if you dont have sks that you still have a rend applied that will last your cs window, because you dont want to waste a global during cs on refreshing rend

[jolly token]

I dont understand what im doing wrong in Solo shuffle, im using CDs, im surviving well enough im very typically not the one dying, but im only winning like 2 games, my CR tanked hard, i was 1600, and im down to 1222, because i cant seem to go 4/2. Like i dont get it, ive tried spear build and bleed build, im middle of the pack dps, and almost always 3rd in healing done, im not sure where im going wrong. im on the target that we call, i use fear shout to try and secure kills and im 420 pvp item level with enchants on, I just feel like im terrible at the game.

[mild thunder]

gonna be really hard for anyone here to give effective advice that isn't just overly broad and general. best move would be to record some gameplay and send it through to the #810664169140518947 channel and request kargish to go over it for you 🙂

[jolly token]

thats fair, i appreciate that, im just extremely flustered, ive been working on my key bindings and marcos, so i have everything accessible and im not using my mouse for anything other than movement, and i just feel like im going backwards

[mild thunder]

that's the way it goes, sometimes. there wouldnt be a person in this channel that hasnt tanked rating before and wanted to quit the game over it.

[sharp meteor]

not dying isn't enough if people don't go you

just bolt/fear/disarm/vene on enemy cds

[jolly token]

im also just really pissed at the crafting system, blew all my sparks on PVE gear to push into mythic with my guild and ive been grinding for one spark to make my pvp helm and no luck. I really like warrior in pvp, but i feel like its hard to grind out, ive never really pushed pvp as hard as i am now, and it feels like everyone in 2s and 3s are only looking for glad xp, and ive never been there, so Solo shuffle feels like the only real option available

[sharp meteor]

ya dont do 2s or 3s rn

[jolly token]

like im trying so hard to stick with the warrior and not just go back to my resto druid ya know

[mild thunder]

2s are an omega waste of time right now

[jolly token]

why?

[mild thunder]

its just an assa rogue bracket

and still pretty deflated, so pushing will be more difficult than other brackets

[sharp meteor]

2s is legit

unironically

pointless

[mild thunder]

provides nothing unique, not fun to queue

[sharp meteor]

no reason to play 2s rn unless u are assa rogue or farm assa rogues (surv)

jerk around in shuffle for legit half the time and you'll be 500 pts higher

[mild thunder]

even sv kinda struggles into assa, based on what ive heard from bicmex

its that OP that their one counter still struggles

[jolly token]

yea i had a game where i got global'd in solo shuffle but a rogue/ ehance

[mild thunder]

we love 2s

[flat dome]

It helps that bleed build absolutely shit on rogues

[mild thunder]

?

[flat dome]

Well, in my experience. I haven't had too much issue with rogues

[sharp meteor]

have killed a lot of rogues recently playing either setup

probably shouldn't but it happens

[warm portal]

I mean if they don't have an out like vanish/evasion they fold when you drop an spear unhinged on them

[sharp meteor]

ya usually it's disarm warbreaker kidney off then trinket/evasion or trinket/vanish as their outs

and if they use any in response to anything other than a go on them like if they evas opener as you're cleaving teammate there's a reasonable chance you can kill them a bolt or two later

because most won't kite/step away

[warm portal]

I like blademaster into it, they pmuch have to react in a global
spear+warbreaker+avatar is <2globals

and they cant disarm or kidney the bladestorm obv

[sharp meteor]

need to bolt

they will always disarm warbreaker

[grand scaffold]

yeah

when someone cs

stun

trinket

disarm

with dk

you just

disarm

they trinket

stun

they ibf

then

you kill them

[mild thunder]

if a dk is trinketing disarm, they're shit

disarm does next to nothing to slow uh damage

[grand scaffold]

i know

i usually use disarm to kill them

because they cant deathstrike

[mild thunder]

eh, its kinda worth ig

[grand scaffold]

you dont run disarm into dk?

[mild thunder]

into fdk, yes

but not into unholy

[grand scaffold]

oh ok

good to know

warbringer instead?

[mild thunder]

depends on what they're with

[grand scaffold]

yeah

i mean into dk with something i dont need disarm for

[mystic barn]

😎 thank god I get to fling coils from not being disarmed vs galachad

big gargs

[mild thunder]

i mean, i really dont feel like a dk spamming death strike is saving them very often

even with the buffs, does it heal that much?

[mystic barn]

I’ve hit 100k+ heals

But disarm also helps shut down gargoyle goes

since you can’t build rp with festering or scourge

[mild thunder]

idk that sounds as likely as the 140k fatalities and 30k FbV ticks

[mystic barn]

every rp spent during garg window is 1% bonus damage for garg

[mild thunder]

does disarm stop rp spending?

[mystic barn]

each coil is 30%

no, but it prevents rp generation

[mild thunder]

doesnt it only stop fs?

[mystic barn]

festering scourge death strike apoc

few examples

festering scourge apoc all generate rp

[mild thunder]

festering i get, didnt know it stopped apoc

but dont pretty much all udks run the ranged scourge anyway?

which isnt disarmable

[mystic barn]

no, pretty much no dk does

bc they take the plaguebringer morph, that makes our diseases tick 100% faster

[mild thunder]

ok, fair enough

you are the resident uhdk

[mystic barn]

it’s super rare to run into pet build unholys atm

and you run clawing in that build

[mild thunder]

i mean, is there really such a thing as non-pet build anymore?

they still have a thousand fucking minions on my screen

[mystic barn]

sure there’s pets in most / all builds

But they aren’t amped in superstrain build

Pet build is like a 55% dam diff for pets

[mild thunder]

i want actual dot unholy back

necrotic plague

[mystic barn]

I want to see absorbs on people

but it would mesh kinda bad with current uhdk, necrotic strike that is

[mild thunder]

well my dk is named Snow, so i can only play frost on him anyway

[mystic barn]

Frost buffed next week

and frost and blood being bugged indirectly buffs unholy too

(Blood plague / frost fever) in superstrain build

[mild thunder]

frost buffs do look kinda nice

i'll probs just play it to 1800 for set and then shelve it, but will be fun

[mystic barn]

ya until u realize every lobby has multiple disarms

lel

[mild thunder]

literally arms 2.0

how fun

anger management actually makes arms feel so much better this xpac

[mystic barn]

diff tho is frost does nothing outside of go windows

[mild thunder]

yea fair

[mystic barn]

and has to revert to pillar and lining

[mild thunder]

the goes are so chunky tho

[mystic barn]

they can be yea and if u get a triple setup with dnd u hit everyone with oblits

I wish they made dnd an aura that follows the dk around or made dnd off global

bc the setup is really weird feeling

I killed a war in first few sec of a shuffle match in 2.7k mmr lobby as frost thst was wild

[mild thunder]

yea it can defs catch people off-guard

we got oneshot by a fdk/boomie team because my feral fucked up and didnt take aoe root break for root/beam

[mystic barn]

fdk boomie can crank

[lyric gyro]

What classes are actually worth running disarm into? Currently I'm running it against warriors, rogues, fdk, and ret. Are there any others?

[mild thunder]

warr
rogue
dk (both specs)
enh
potentially ret

all you really stop into ret is crusader strike, because if they're versing a warrior they're taking final verdict anyway, but i think Qfiend said it was still worth

[bright stream]

bleed builds pretty fun

been an easy climb so far, what sort of crit rating are people rocking atm?

[dense rover]

If i wanna go bleed build, do i need to change my stat prioing? I have vers and crit on almost every piece noe. Rocking 4 set

[muted surge]

not hunter ß

[grand scaffold]

still crit

and some haste

[muted surge]

did war get nerfed since yesterday

why am igetting pounded now

[bright stream]

off day, bad rng queues, etc

queue more games, play another day

[twilit patio]

dont feel bad, i was just at 2350 and then i got 3 triple caster lobbies on the big open maps

you can guess what cr im at now

[steep inlet]

Triple caster is our death

[muted surge]

idk i enjoy the lock mage shamn lobbies :>

[mild thunder]

it feels like the amount of casters in shuffle has massively increased

[muted surge]

im still suprised tghat surviabial hunter is actually a range spec and not meele

[mild thunder]

but there may just be some bts algorithm stuff that makes them appear with 1-2 melee more often

instead of melee lobbies

[mild thunder]

always has been

[shut barn]

Guys was looking at blue posts comments and forums why there so many locks mages and rogues out there with bullions of compliments about their classes are weak and melees are op like wtf

[slender lion]

?

[shut barn]

Haven’t seen much of dks and warriors there

[tribal wedge]

mage/demo are getting up every patch, ele nerf missing

they are SWARMING

[mild thunder]

typical caster behaviour

tbf warrior community isnt a whole lot better, some people in here were malding so hard over the feb 7 nerfs

[mild thunder]

?

[shut barn]

It’s too odd to me like every 2s I played in this season was a rogue priest

Almost every

Or mages

Or demo locks

[mild thunder]

rogue players are literal scum of the earth

mage as well

[shut barn]

Are those classes way more popular than warriors dks or etc

[steel trout]

rogueplayers = catboys

[mild thunder]

thats an insult to catboys ngl

[mild thunder]

not really, warrior is pretty popular

[shut barn]

And company always keeping them happy ?

[mild thunder]

its probably just the result of the spec being terminally OP

[shut barn]

Tbh haven’t seen warrior campaign like them

[mild thunder]

players get used to it, so any time the spec isnt the literal best in the game, it's the end of the world

[shut barn]

They exaggerating everything in the comments

Just assa rogue complaining about warrior being op

And they can’t climb cause rogue is in a bad spot

Assa is legit the most picked spec in tours

This is madness

[slender lion]

Survival is melee

I mean. Bombs are ranged. But it's proc attacks are melee

[mild thunder]

if you're playing sv like a melee, you're playing it wrong

even in pve sv barely plays like a melee

[slender lion]

Survival is melee

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/old-no-brain-brains-out-spongebob-squarepants-gif-7878833

[muted surge]

Which pvp talents do you usually take against full caster lobbies ?

[slender lion]

It wears a polearm

[mild thunder]

out of curiosity, have you ever played survival in pvp?

[slender lion]

Whats different about it in pvp vs pve since it builds procs off its melee abilities

[shy tinsel]

hey ! Does anyone has a guide for TRoar + sks rotation ?

[mild thunder]

what does sv proc off its melee abilities?

[muted surge]

all the surviv i have seen just use explosive shot

and go in for burst

[mild thunder]

im too tired to be rude, but yea survival is not melee. it's a ranged spec that sometimes comes into melee. at best its a part-time melee

the majority of their rotation is ranged, all you do is come in for mongoose bites every now and again

[slender lion]

I'd hope rudeness wasn't your first port of call anyway since that's a bit shitty. Yes it seems its ranged, I stand corrected. I played a bit of it in pve in sl

But yeah, be rude then be a cunt. Don't be rude and as I've said above I'm not a dick ill admit when im wrong. Don't be a cunt tho 👍

[grand scaffold]

bout to be a shitfest

[mild thunder]

i mean, its hard not to be rude to someone that strongly states something that is so blatantly wrong, and then posts a wowhead snapshot as proof

but i managed

[grand scaffold]

bleeds here

no warr

parry*

[slender lion]

"Strongly states"? Are you fucked or something? All I said was "surv is melee" posted the snipet from qowhead then admitted I was wrong. What fucking planet u on man?

[undone pumice]

stfu

[slender lion]

Basically what ur saying is anyone who disagrees but is wrong, jump straight too being a prick before they have a chance to admit they are wrong....what a way too be

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-brain-dumped-useless-gif-13975529

[slender lion]

Who invited u?

[undone pumice]

me

[mild thunder]

me

[slender lion]

Lol

Pricks it is then 🤣

[undone pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-cause-bad-mad-cat-gif-25575086

[lean burrow]

why so butthurt

[mild thunder]

you called me a cunt and then started carrying on

[slender lion]

Read that how u wish 😅

[mild thunder]

i dont, i ragequit

[grand scaffold]

focus fury or arms

[slender lion]

I said too be rude would be too be a cunt.

[grand scaffold]

QUICK

fury arms focus who

[lean burrow]

both

[grand scaffold]

ok

[lean burrow]

[mild thunder]

honestly id just zerg healers in that lobby

[muted surge]

300 points down today

maybe i should stop queuing

a shadowpriest flaming me for not using def cds

he swaps hp with me at 10 % and i die bcs i intervened :>

[grand scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/highest-of-the-highs-proofy-super-high-on-top-first-class-gif-21140400

im the highest in the room

6-0

in an all warrior lobby

[crude bane]

i bet we will see tons of destrolock wednesday

[grand scaffold]

get like me

[lean burrow]

did I help you?

[grand scaffold]

yaaaah

positive vibes

btw

everybody in that lobby was bleed build

[muted surge]

nice

[grand scaffold]

i suggest swapping if you havent already

[grand scaffold]

😄

[grand scaffold]

what cr you at now

[muted surge]

1,5

[grand scaffold]

bro

[muted surge]

i was at 1.9 at one point :D

[grand scaffold]

post gameplay

so i can see whats going wrong

actually are you on NA?

[muted surge]

no

[grand scaffold]

shit

post gameplay then

only solution

[lean burrow]

you didn't go for spear build?

against two melees

[muted surge]

ye if i actually cant get out of here i will

post some nice gamepaly :>

[slender lion]

Including u?

[dense rover]

How much hadte should i aim for?

[quaint snow]

you all play bleed now?

[steel trout]

NO 😡

[leaden lynx]

i play bleedish

thunderous roar

[muted surge]

fuck spear

[quaint snow]

what are the stats for the bleed build more haste?

[muted surge]

im back

[leaden lynx]

haste does benefit bleed

[lean burrow]

i play bleed

from my ass

[leaden lynx]

my unpopular opinion: rend should replace hamstring and get a slow

[grand scaffold]

Yup

[grand scaffold]

I don’t like spear

I like bleeds

Same with others in the lobby

[grand scaffold]

Nice!

[slender lion]

I hate soear when ur an idiot and miss lol

[tribal wedge]

guys, what the dr timing?

[grand scaffold]

I just find spear underwhelming

[tribal wedge]

20 sec?

[slender lion]

Bleeds sound nice qhen they can kite u since it is ticking away still

[grand scaffold]

Roar cranks

[slender lion]

U running a pin build?

[severe lintel]

I am pretty new to pvp and have only played fury. Is arms in a much better spot such that I should learn it? Or just stick with what I know for now?

[dense rover]

Go arms, easy to lesrn imo

[severe lintel]

Okay, thanks. I'll give it a try.

[stark vortex]

Guys, with or without the 5% speed talent, i am still at 10%

[teal cedar]

do either cs or avatar increase the bleed damage from troar?

[gloomy shadow]

Quick question for a beginner in pvp, should i keep my hightest item level in arena or keep my honor/ warmode gear ?

[lean burrow]

yes

[lean burrow]

conquest gear > strife gear > honor gear

424 ilvl > 421 ilvl > 411 ilvl

[gloomy shadow]

What about pve gear higher than 411 ?

[lean burrow]

take whatever is higher ilvl

[gloomy shadow]

ok !

[feral heath]

The warmode gear set bonus is inactive in arena, so just take higher ilvl

[slender lion]

424 shoulders over 415 that give me 2pc?

[grand scaffold]

I don’t run improved so

Aside from that yeah

[slender lion]

I'll check them out when I get home. Thought bout having a go at the bleed build just haven't yet. Shuffle queues are horrible so wanting too try get a 3s team. Since 2s is shit

[grand scaffold]

Ss*

I run strength of arms instead of imp ss

[inner oasis]

Sustained strenght vs waking stats?

[warm portal]

Waking

But either is good

[pure hornet]

Why is two’s shit

[warm portal]

Probably because 90% of his matches are assass/disc

[warped warren]

2s

[slender lion]

Nah i just prefer 3s. Also frost mage is annoying

Prob cause I've played mostly shuffle tbh

N I don't have a good healer friend

[candid tusk]

can someone help a zugzug out and provide his omnibar setup?
pref with def cds included 😄

[jolly token]

Is warbreaker better to take over Blunt instruments?

[shy aurora]

Linked you @candid tusk

[candid tusk]

❤️

[native thunder]

I prefer blunt unless you are trying to cleave a double melee

Even then just sweeping strikes with blunt

[jolly token]

also, am i dumb i cant find disarm in the tree anywhere

[native thunder]

Disarm is a pvp talent

[jolly token]

ohhhhh lol

my Pvp talents are War banner, Sharpen and Storm of destruction is Disarm better that any of those even against melee heavy comps?

[native thunder]

It’s situational. If you are going against a class that heavily rely on their weapon then I usually swap banner for disarm

[jolly token]

heard thank you \

[lean burrow]

2 more gcds during cs or aoe cs

[jolly token]

Also is having a weapon swap, Shield block macro worth while? Im assuming it would help well against other warriors and maybe like Fdk and rogue?

[native thunder]

I couldn’t tell you there as I don’t run anything like that. If you are just starting out though I wouldn’t over complicate things until you have the base gameplay down

[jolly token]

i was just wondering if it was something that people ran,

[marsh wharf]

those arms changes what game are they playing lmao

[fair tide]

starting to see more warriors opting for haste as arms on murlok.io

[warm portal]

I run a good bit of haste, including insignia trinket at 2500+ in the shuff
it feels fine especially if you play warlords for reck proc

you can do either and they'll work but i wouldn't neglect crit

[jolly token]

my crit haste is pretty even

17 crit 15 haste

[frank knoll]

I know they nerfed the DI dwarf racial

Where it shares a cd with trinket