arms shit tier now?
#pvp
mild thunder
dude why are they even trying with slam
lean burrow
S(hit) tier?
mild thunder
let it die
lean burrow
fair tide
where the actual fuck are the ele sham nerfs?
wheat jay
Where assa and feral nerfs?
quick carbon
assa got nerfedd
wheat jay
More
mild thunder
EP is almost definitely not gonna be worth now imo
quaint osprey
how big are the overall nerfs? any math boys in chat
fair tide
you say that now, just wait
quick carbon
u stil take it cuz u just get 3 capstones anyway
quick carbon
how big are the overall nerfs? any math boys in chat
double op is 20% buff not 30%
mild thunder
bm buffs are wild lmao
copper hare
assa nerf isnt even big
wheat jay
Bm not even busted tbh
copper hare
garrote needs a flat 50% nerf
wheat jay
And bow nerf is big
fair tide
the assa is like a 10% nerf
quaint osprey
double op is 20% buff not 30%
that doesnt sound that big
fair tide
not big
quick carbon
the wound poison nerf during deathmark is rlly nice too
fair tide
they buffed evokers too, hah
wheat jay
that doesnt sound that big
Because its not
copper hare
Mage hitting for 200k consistently = no problem
mortal strike hitting for 160k = nerf it
quick carbon
mortal strike can also hit for 200k
mild thunder
imo the arms nerfs are fine
quick carbon
but ok
steel trout
assa nerf is p good
steel trout
the 4 set is what made them so over the top
mild thunder
assa barely touched, no fmage nerf, no arcane nerf, ele unnerfed, bm buffed
quick carbon
warriors gonna go from 190-200k max crits to 160k max oh noooo
wheat jay
Warrior can't oneshot with a single button?
Skyhold in shambles
quaint osprey
barbaric training now on the menu or wha
mild thunder
barbaric training now on the menu or wha
i hope not
slam isnt fun to press
no one wants it to be good
quick carbon
get over urself warriors fine they nerfed the most annoying class too
quaint osprey
i havent even bound it lmao
fair tide
get over urself warriors fine they nerfed the most annoying class too
why are you even in here?
wheat jay
He's there too keep you all from being worse balance druids
That bitch and moan even when theyre s++ tier
frank knoll
Had a lobby with a glad xp WW. Went 2/6, he went 6/6
Would just 1 tap the healer
lean burrow
meta of casters again
frank knoll
He did it through intervene parry
lean burrow
wheat jay
Ngl caster meta more fun than zug zug meta
fair tide
how ele and arcane go under the radar is fried
wheat jay
Zug zug meta is boring as fuck
little lava
man
quick carbon
just q thunder lol
wheat jay
Arcane goes under cuz its cheesy oneshot
torpid prawn
oh i see
little lava
slam with 4 modifier talents hitting 55k on spear vs 20k without talents
wheat jay
And they flop hard
torpid prawn
infinite kite
little lava
and now 40% buff
wheat jay
Ele should get giga nerfed
torpid prawn
Pop frost kite forever
little lava
80k slams inc
quick carbon
u can always q with the broken specs and be one of the broken comps
wheat jay
And maybe ele should cast something?
little lava
and u have big chance for crits on slam
mild thunder
80k slams inc
still shit ngl
little lava
and u can spam it
mild thunder
OP is getting a 20% buff
fair tide
slam with 4 modifier talents hitting 55k on spear vs 20k without talents
the problem is having to waste talents to get it to be somewhat not shit
brazen rock
mild thunder
still worth spamming over slam
little lava
xD
wheat jay
80k slams, that's more than killshot 
quick carbon
And maybe ele should cast something?
asking casters to hardcast for damage now is kinda iffy whenever melee are ferarris
mild thunder
80k slams, that's more than killshot <:sadge:820202363359854633>
bullllllllllllshit
quick carbon
with 20 thousand stops
mild thunder
ive seen >100k kill shots
quick carbon
lock shaman prob gonna be sss tier
mild thunder
Ye, on arcane xD
on my arms
wheat jay
Bruh
torpid prawn
played 3s and opposing team was 3 mages. 2 frost 1 arcane
wheat jay
You sure you got your items on?
mild thunder
killshot defs hits hard
steel trout
ye ive been hit by 100k+ ks too no kap
torpid prawn
now THAT shit was ridiculous
wheat jay
Jesus
mild thunder
100k initial with a 50% bleed
wheat jay
Y'all need to tell me how
mild thunder
its not the burst that needs to be buffed for sv
wheat jay
Cuz that shit does 0 dmg
mild thunder
you've said it yourself
wheat jay
Yep
It should imo be like shadowlands
Oppressive super high consistent annoying shit
mild thunder
except without wildfire spam in s3/4 
fair tide
biggest ks I've been hit w/ is like 40k
wheat jay
except without wildfire spam in s3/4 <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Ye basically that
Its dmg profile is fine now
steel trout
surv was fun in s1 s2
mild thunder
delete mongoose bite
make spearhead not a meme
buff sv dots
wheat jay
Spearhead was busted on beta
mild thunder
there should be a more clear and developed dot playstyle for sv
bring back black arrow
wheat jay
It would reduce cost of mongoose by 50%
Meaning, you'd get like 7 casts in a row
Or 8
fair tide
we'll have to see how this feels come tuesday
copper hare
apparently it's fine for priest to do 20k dps
wheat jay
Disc only 60% pickrate
fair tide
but sks is starting to look more attractive
mild thunder
no disc priest nerfs
yea i think all the nerfs that are coming are good, i just think there need to be more
fair tide
unholy feels alright
copper hare
unholy feels pretty alright yeah
fair tide
not insanely busted
mild thunder
unh nerf, more assa nerfs, demo nerfs, sporadic ele burst nerf, disc nerf, nulli shroud nerf
mild thunder
and i think we're good
wheat jay
I dunno, feels pretty busted to me
elfin surge
forums won
wheat jay
Hello Mud
fair tide
@elfin surge you did your best
wheat jay
You r1 yet?
mild thunder
id believe it
fair tide
sticking with this
wheat jay
Everyone would
vivid pumice
I actually don't know how to play the game if I can't just spam MS
fair tide
and only this
wheat jay
Y'all believed he rolled outlaw in s4
copper hare
wouldnt surprise me if mud still mains fury
fair tide
DH must be sad
steel trout
arms F tier now sad!
tribal nimbus
Where are patch notes
mild thunder
wouldve been nice if they unnerfed rend instead of buffing slam tbh
vivid pumice
I don't wanna have to care about slam
waxen oasis
mild thunder
I don't wanna have to care about slam
you wont
fluid berry
hey could yall let me know what you think of my talents for pvp?
mild thunder
still wont be worth using
vivid pumice
I don't even have it on my bars right now lol
tame sphinx
Arms will have slightly less burst but better sustained, i think it could be a positive change overall
mild thunder
Arms will have slightly less burst but better sustained, i think it could be a p...
how do we have better sustained dmg?
MP and EP both contribute to our sustained dps
copper hare
martial prowess is pretty huge
mild thunder
the only significant change that'll likely happen is that the sks build becomes more widespread because it'll offer juicier burst than we're likely to get with ms
thick reef
Always hear people praising wPvP and game devs trying to make wPvP focused games
Has wpvp ever worked in any MMO other than Dark Age of Camelot with its 1 v 1 v 1 faction system? Even in WoW wPvP absolutly died once instanced PvP happened since people just plain vastly prefered that.
south kestrel
That ep nerf
opaque quarry
hey could yall let me know what you think of my talents for pvp?
Why MBG capstone and SoS?
tame sphinx
5% nerf to MS and 20% buff to OP is not the end of the world
mild thunder
5% nerf to ms?
tribal wedge
the only significant change that'll likely happen is that the sks build becomes ...
yep, forced to play with bleed
south kestrel
Whered you get 5% from lol
mild thunder
no one here has said it's the end of the world either, pretty sure most people agree that our top-end burst was too much... i just dont understand how you think our sustained dps was buffed to compensate?
it'll be somewhere between the same-to-worse, not better
opaque quarry
Stronger OP is nice though.
south kestrel
I prefer bigger ms numbers to OP
mild thunder
OP buff is probably not smart imo, it was already critting for >80k
opaque quarry
I mean, sure, but that wasn't the point lol.
fair tide
55k ice lances go unnoticed
fluid berry
Why MBG capstone and SoS?
whats SoS? And I took MBG bc some idiot I know said it was good
sorry im a shitter rn lol
opaque quarry
whats SoS? And I took MBG bc some idiot I know said it was good
Storm of Swords.
mild thunder
the smartest move wouldve been a nerf to ms top-end (aimed at either spear crit mod or cs), with a buff to rend so that we have to invest in something besides our two-button rotation
and if they're scared of sks oneshots, nerf sks specifically
not rend
opaque quarry
You're fine, BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERCJJpUKJBAAAAEEJiGJAR0QSCJhmEhEASkAAAAAAAAQSkICA0QA is a better build than that lol.
fluid berry
ty so much ❤️
opaque quarry
Np
quick ivy
Which globals are you prior after hamstring when you get charge in
mild thunder
You're fine, BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERCJJpUKJBAAAAEEJiGJAR0QSCJhmEhEASkAAA...
no unhinged?
vivid pumice
Is sharpen still going to be worth taking with this nerf?
tribal wedge
ofc
mild thunder
Is sharpen still going to be worth taking with this nerf?
what
vivid pumice
I'm not a numbers person okay
vivid pumice
I see MS nerf and I assume I'm going to hit like a dry noodle
lucid walrus
if you’re taking sharpen for damage idk what to tell you
opaque quarry
no unhinged? <:keks:936231610850897992>
Eh, was working with @grand scaffold 's build. Generally like it more because I don't like to BS.
opaque quarry
I mean, it is till it isn't.
mild thunder
fatality will yield you ~20-40k damage in a game if you're lucky
unhinged will yield you >100k in a single use
copper hare
fatality will yield you ~20-40k damage in a game if you're lucky
lol no
I had plenty of games where it hits for 80-100k
opaque quarry
Def get more than 20-40k lol.
vivid pumice
Sks build is not fun
lucid walrus
opaque quarry
Ye
fair tide
someone was telling me cb does no dmg
opaque quarry
Especially like locks or drawn out games.
mild thunder
your fatality is not hitting for 100k
lucid walrus
CB?
fair tide
chaos bolt
lucid walrus
ah
idk, never know. i’ve seen a lot of destros but never checked their damage profiles
copper hare
it is xd
opaque quarry
CB doesn't need a buff.
mild thunder
i just dont believe you
but i switch targets a lot with my comp, so maybe im just not seeing high enough stacks for that
opaque quarry
Maybe not consistently 80-100k but you can do it.
mild thunder
can do it is very different to game-to-game utility from a talent
opaque quarry
I don't disagree.
mild thunder
unless you're an actual turbo retard, you can get >100k damage from unhinged every use of BS, ~200k if you're actually sweeping beforehand
and thats repeatable >3 times
and thats not even with BMT
opaque quarry
I'm not saying Unhinged is bad. Just not a fan of working around BS and pets sometimes so I get lazy and use Fatality.
mild thunder
pets is a fair point, but as a general rule unhinged is defs better
opaque quarry
I agree
fluid berry
would you wanna run fatality if youre going against like a dk or demonology?
tribal wedge
happy they don't touch fueled by violence 😎
fluid berry
and stick more to unhinged in a less pet heavy matchup?
mild thunder
happy they don't touch fueled by violence 😎
was scared it'd get a 50% nerf
opaque quarry
would you wanna run fatality if youre going against like a dk or demonology?
You can. The longer you hold it, the bigger the hit so.
tribal wedge
was scared it'd get a 50% nerf
we still gucci mate
mild thunder
especially after we can heal 30k per tick against demo locks
copper hare
i just dont believe you
My highest was around 140k
mild thunder
that would require like 18 stacks
copper hare
but as I said, it's not in shuffles
yeah
pretty easy when you don't play 2 min games
mild thunder
im not even talking about shuffle
even in 3s, im definitely not tunneling one target that hard, for that long, without bringing them below 30% hp once
mystic barn
I'm not saying Unhinged is bad. Just not a fan of working around BS and pets som...
tbf if u clang unholy dt pet or demo pet its stonks while in sweeping
in bladestorm
copper hare
you dont have trouble because they do 20k dps?
opaque quarry
SW Death you for 100k as a healer? Great times.
frank knoll
I haven’t ran into one who does obscene damage yet
fluid berry
Hey donnie what do you swap out of this talent tree if you want shattering throw?
fluid berry
really?
opaque quarry
Ngl, I don't take it, I just switch lol.
fluid berry
ahh okay
frank knoll
Disc is pretty much every solo shuffle
opaque quarry
Esp if you have a priest for Imp MD. Don't need it.
fluid berry
Im a casual I always thought Shattering was good for palidan comps in SS
opaque quarry
I mean it's not terrible.
mild thunder
better off running wreck or nothing tbh
fluid berry
when I get a double pal combo I just feel fucked w BoPs everywhere
frank knoll
Anyways warrior Is useless now cause they got nerfed
mild thunder
just swap on bubble
fluid berry
ahh okay
mild thunder
if they're not blind they just avoid the shatter
opaque quarry
The time to cast Shatter and something else you could be doing is too big. Like Gala said, you could be casting it, LOS and you lost all that push.
mild thunder
or it gets intervened, disarmed, stunned etc
or you get the shatter off and they're already full hp again
polar marsh
why they nerf warriors???
opaque quarry
Ye. Exactly
fluid berry
Because in the eyes of the law Warriors aren't allowed to be good for more than 5 minutes
frank knoll
Yeah warriors basically dumpstered time to reroll rightvguys
fluid berry
You gotta nerf something to be able to buff mages or whatever broken class they wanna give more buffs to
opaque quarry
Gets a nerf - OH GOD REROLL TIME. Jesus.
polar marsh
im just going to spam OP
frank knoll
fluid berry
I'm not allowed to go to another class so I'll ride the wave
frank knoll
Gets a nerf - OH GOD REROLL TIME. Jesus.
Yeah every time they nerf something I reroll
fluid berry
our 5 minutes of fame were fun
opaque quarry
That's a lot of rerolling.
mild thunder
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.
polar marsh
fluid berry
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the la...
amen
fluid berry
we need to buff DH
polar marsh
they forgot to give us 3 extra talent points for crushing force and barbaric training
copper hare
dh is more than fine rn
frank knoll
All seriousness is arms rlly dumpster now
mild thunder
no
copper hare
All seriousness is arms rlly dumpster now
unplayable!
fluid berry
welp my dreams of 1800 SS rating are crushed now
fluid berry
Yeah they are 😦
south kestrel
Absolutely not
south kestrel
frank knoll
Time to reroll fury
fluid berry
With these queues I might get 1800 by nextyear
frank knoll
Srsness is the drake breakers weapon decent? Srs brahs
frank knoll
Yeah reroll ww
kindred viper
why are they trying to force feed us Slam specs
fair tide
I wanna take fueled, but dont know what to drop QQ
mild thunder
the problem isnt only slam
rare ibex
mild thunder
the problem is that the rest of the talents dont encourage the use of abilities outside of OP and ms
kindred viper
40% buff in pvp makes it hit slightly more than an autoattack
fair tide
it'll pretty much be on par w/ OP 😄
mild thunder
no
mild thunder
it wont
kindred viper
OP is getting a 20% buff aswell
mild thunder
the problem isnt only that slam does shit damage, its that it detracts from your rotation. you arent getting ms resets from spamming slam
kindred viper
even with the martial prowess and EP nerfs MS still slaps
mild thunder
on top of that, sks will probably get played even more, which means rend becoming higher prio
if anything, slam is getting more pushed out
modern grail
barbaric training makes it cost the same rage as rend wym
fair tide
I've been practicing w/ sks
mild thunder
barbaric training makes it cost the same rage as rend wym
so?
fair tide
it's alright, feels bad to have to reapply rend
frank knoll
Can we get the BFA azerite slam talent back
modern grail
so you get the same resets?
frank knoll
The one that makes it hit for like 300k
kindred viper
There's no incentive to push slam as opposed to OP or MS
smoky anchor
Overpower damage increased by 20% in PvP Combat.
Slam damage increased by 40% in PvP Combat.
OH YERAAH BABY SLAM BUILDS HERE WE GO
imma slam u to the grave motha fuckas
glad to see guardian druid buffs though tired of dodging them in pug m+ runs. they are so trash right now
spice moth
they made this game so easy to reroll and gear up whatever the fotm is
mild thunder
press ms > reset OP > press OP > reset ms
latent hazel
but you barely need filler?
lmao
mild thunder
spare rage? press IP > reset OP
latent hazel
its not 100%
mild thunder
if you're playing properly, you very, very rarely need to press filler
kindred viper
then you press something that has more impact
smoky anchor
honestly only rarely do i have nothing to do than press ms or op
mild thunder
and when you do, you normally just press hamstring
kindred viper
Psyfiend (PvP Talent) healing reduction no longer stacks with similar effects. <- did not know this, explains a few things.
latent hazel
the rend initial damage does more dam than slam
smoky anchor
Destruction
Chaos Bolt damage increased by 40% in PvP Combat (was 15%).
ya im gonna go lvl my lock
mild thunder
the rend initial damage does more dam than slam
omg bro this is huge news bro, no one here knew that before bro, its not like its said in the pins bro
latent hazel
omg bro this is huge news bro, no one here knew that before bro, its not like it...
insane bro
vivid pumice
Yeah slam isn't even on my bar. When the stars align and I have nothing to press I just reset Rend or Hamstring
latent hazel
holy fuck
smoky anchor
the rend initial damage does more dam than slam
even with talents, the initial rend hits for more than slam
latent hazel
yea i mean they defo did not buff slam to compensate so the raw dps stays about the same
just because it needed a buff in the first place
frank knoll
Destruction
Chaos Bolt damage increased by 40% in PvP Combat (was 15%).
Nice
When does this start
smoky anchor
tuesday
kindred viper
Chaos Bolt has not been as threatening as intended in Dragonflight, so we’re increasing its damage to compensate for the bug fix. 😄
frank knoll
Yeah I never press slam, globals outside of OP and Ms go to execute, rend IP or hamstring
smoky anchor
Destruction
Soul Fire damage increased 20%.
Incinerate damage increased 5%.
Demonology
Wild Imp damage increased 15%.
Vilefiend damage increased 30%.```warlock finna be lit on tues
also hunters too
frank knoll
```
Destruction
Soul Fire damage increased 20%.
Incinerate damage increased 5%.
...
They keep trying to make soulfire a thing
smoky anchor
They keep trying to make soulfire a thing
has it ever been a thing except as a meme in bc
maiden crag
Love logging on and seeing you all with the surprised pikachu face like you all thought we were going to keep our burst and IP untouched after a single patch. Oh my sweet summer child...
kindred viper
It's an OG spell
frank knoll
My main is a Destro, chaos bolts hit for 80k at most, I’m full geared
kindred viper
They want to keep it
mild thunder
Love logging on and seeing you all with the surprised pikachu face like you all ...
ignore pain is untouched though
maiden crag
ignore pain is untouched though
My point is, Blizzard was going to touch one of them.
We had too much good in one patch.
smoky anchor
?
kindred viper
tbh the dmg nerf is fine, i just wish it was across the board
smoky anchor
not really busted
frank knoll
Warrior needs more buffs tbh
latent hazel
random MS mega crits
smoky anchor
good, great, but i wouldn't say busted lol
kindred viper
the burst is insane on so many classes
mild thunder
the existing tuning is good, the only problem is what isn't being tuned
frank knoll
Still dies too easy
mild thunder
but all the actual changes are good
maiden crag
Still looking for that "BUSTED" warrior line up in the AWC matchups.... Oh, wait...
frank knoll
MS needs like a 20% buff atleast
frank knoll
Still looking for that "BUSTED" warrior line up in the AWC matchups.... Oh, wait...
Yeah AWC is all DH and SP
And jungle of course
kindred viper
50% on assa 4pc bleed? from 20% to 10% increased dmg when garrote is 30-40% of their damage
this does nothing
wispy cedar
😵
maiden crag
Yeah, changes are decent.
I hate the attempt to push Slam though. Kind of a clown move.
latent hazel
they are frequent changes aswell
kindred viper
i think the 1 thing this shows though
is that they're tuning more frequently
which, hit or miss, is great
maiden crag
Slam sucks, has no interaction, and is just a simple filler. They should have focused on rend instead.
smoky anchor
they should make slam have a castbar again and hit way harder, then i can queue up an ms behind it for big dick damage again
maiden crag
they should make slam have a castbar again and hit way harder, then i can queue ...
Bring me back the oldschool TBC auto-attack timing slam for the double clap
frank knoll
Reroll fury
maiden crag
Now that took skill, and had a high payoff.
frank knoll
Won’t have to worry about slam
latent hazel
Bring me back the oldschool TBC auto-attack timing slam for the double clap
yea an AA swing timer
lmao
smoky anchor
Bring me back the oldschool TBC auto-attack timing slam for the double clap
ya full rage > charge slam ms gg no re
maiden crag
Reroll fury
Bruh, the fuck? Arms4lyfe. Fury isn't even a tree on my warrior that I will click once.
rare ibex
I do fury for M+... Arms for PVP
past wren
Chaos Bolt damage increased by 40% in PvP Combat (was 15%). has to be a joke LOL
maiden crag
Imagine having to wield two weapons to compensate for a chad's single two-hander.
maiden crag
Fury inferiority.
latent hazel
arms is better in pvp and pve
smoky anchor
I do fury for M+... Arms for PVP
play another class, warrior is trash in m+
kindred viper
Oppressing Roar increases the duration of incoming crowd control by 30% (was 20%) in PvP Combat. Poor evokers getting increased CC on themselves
rare ibex
nah, too lazy
mild thunder
Oppressing Roar increases the duration of incoming crowd control by 30% (was 20%...
i dont think thats how the ability works...
rare ibex
fury isnt bad.. but once you start pushing 20+ keys, arms survivability kinda blows
latent hazel
fury isnt bad.. but once you start pushing 20+ keys, arms survivability kinda bl...
the fuck
smoky anchor
fury isnt bad.. but once you start pushing 20+ keys, arms survivability kinda bl...
sounds like a healer problem tbh
maiden crag
fury isnt bad.. but once you start pushing 20+ keys, arms survivability kinda bl...
What do you mean? IP fixed all of our survivability issues.
latent hazel
arms is pretty tanky
what are you on about
are you not using IP spell reflect and dstance?
kindred viper
I imagine they missed it was supposed to be decrease
latent hazel
no CD defensives
frank knoll
Bruh, the fuck? Arms4lyfe. Fury isn't even a tree on my warrior that I will clic...
Fury rules
I’ll die on at hill
maiden crag
My favorite is when my spell reflect out-chads the pet AA, while missing the stacy Chaos Bolt.
kindred viper
It's only patchnotes, worse if it was implemented like that 😄
maiden crag
Arms as god intended.
rare ibex
Yeah I guess I'm just not pushing the 3 buttons I have.
smoky anchor
I imagine they missed it was supposed to be decrease
oppressing roar is that thing that increases cc on enemies
frank knoll
I love going into BGs as fury and bullying noobs
kindred viper
AH my mistake
mild thunder
I imagine they missed it was supposed to be decrease
it was worded correctly
maiden crag
I love going into BGs as fury and bullying noobs
BGs? You mean the potato fields?
fair tide
nothing feels better than reflecting mind games or cyclone
kindred viper
It reads as a selfbuff with the incoming bit
But i guess it's worded for the target
maiden crag
nothing feels better than reflecting mind games or cyclone
That's some Fury energy right there. Arms kicks those bad yamas. Got to be in their face to spin to win, mah boi!!
latent hazel
That's some Fury energy right there. Arms kicks those bad yamas. Got to be in th...
how can i do that vs double caster
tell me
maiden crag
how can i do that vs double caster
You spin and don't cancel and then take the L.
latent hazel
ait
fair tide
ayyy finally hit a 140k sks
maiden crag
W key or bust.
maiden crag
Nah, that's not enough zug zug there. There is only W key and unhinged.
latent hazel
but my healer insists on staying out in the open and tanking ccs
maiden crag
Still looking for room on my action bars to fit my future Slam button. It's a shame I have to use 4 abilities now...
maiden crag
but my healer insists on staying out in the open and tanking ccs
That's because they are taking the heat so the Chad warrior can carry them on their broad, masculine shoulders. Arena as it should be.
fair tide
Still looking for room on my action bars to fit my future Slam button. It's a sh...
bind it to prt sc or scr lk
latent hazel
That's because they are taking the heat so the Chad warrior can carry them on th...
hmm yes i do like getting double dicked by a frost mage and sp
gimme all of that
i quess this is how ranged feel with 2 melees hitting em
its cancer
maiden crag
It's okay, MM got a pity buff.
sharp meteor
every game lock/frost on tuesday send help
maiden crag
I'm sure they won't always be my focus target every SS match. lmao
smoky anchor
every game lock/frost on tuesday send help
that works out for us tbh. training a destro lock shuts down so much of their damage
warm portal
not really
smoky anchor
idk i haven't had issues with destro locks. demo locks have been super aids
frost has insane burst though i can see that
sharp meteor
ahahahaha
mild thunder
yea idk, you might not have versed the right destro locks
high star
ayte first time i get to really play since PS got added
mild thunder
but you definitely do not want destro/frost meta
high star
whats the talents looking like
mild thunder
whats the talents looking like
high star
ya im reading rn lol
BI vs fueled by violence
how much does fbv end up healing probably not worth taking over BI ya
smoky anchor
all im saying is every solo shuffle u gotta at least try blowing up the healer one round
works like 9/10 times
mild thunder
how much does fbv end up healing probably not worth taking over BI ya
about as useful as bloodletting with no other bleed talents
you're not going for "good talents" at that point, all your good points are spent
frank knoll
Frost is actually insane
mild thunder
you get to pick which shit ones you want
high star
roger
frank knoll
60k icelance into 200k glacial spike
high star
i like BI in solo so gonna play that
frank knoll
Like wtf is that
high star
rebound it ofc
smoky anchor
here's the overall healing where i was focused like, 3 out of 6 rounds
smoky anchor
Frost is actually insane
ya they keep getting buffs too. i gotta go gear up my mage tbh looks fun as heck. arcane way more fun against melee though
frank knoll
Arms will be solid A tier
elder wigeon
what
obtuse coral
does pvp gear scale in the world or am i better off having my pve gear on
as in while in pvp combat
tardy flame
It scales when you engage another player
smoky anchor
do single moms count
only if you put another baby in them and then dump them
steep cairn
Are we going to use slam now it’s getting 40% buff
smoky anchor
Are we going to use slam now it’s getting 40% buff
yep gonna take ms off my bars
slamchads need apply
slim knoll
Consensus in next reset? Overall nerf or buff?
Seems like with all the buffs everyone else os getting we will be worse overall. Again.
modern grail
3% nerf
which is to say it doesnt really matter. shaving a little off the top end of MS which is fine
slim knoll
Assuming it’s just because some under geared shitcunts whined on forums
Like we aren’t even being used in the awc
modern grail
idk it was kinda warranted given the 200k MS light nerfs were warranted to get people to stop bitching
not that they will
slim knoll
40% more dam on chaos bolt is cool though? How hard is that going to hit for?
Shadowpriest and rogue are perfectly balanced and don’t need tuned
modern grail
rogue got a shave, but yeah
limber fable
for arms, do people socket stam vers gems? just lookin at the icy veins guide as a refernce
modern grail
vers crit
limber fable
ty<3
sharp meteor
Shifting a bit of damage out of giant mortal strikes is fine
I just 1-hit a frost mage from half health
grand scaffold
bruh ep gonna suck
sharp meteor
the biggest concern imo is frost/destro cancering up the ladder on tuesday
grand scaffold
i dont understand why the actualy fuck destro is getting a buff
they are already a menace
sharp meteor
idk
sharp meteor
disarm doom which nobody does for some reason
or rly just kill the enh lmao it's enh
modern grail
i havent seem an enh since i maxed this warrior a few weeks ago
worthy fern
Psyfiend not stacking with other healing reductions is huge
copper hare
<@668086812140371978> ep already sucks
The MP is pretty impactful
Like a flat 5-10% to ms
But at least OP is gonna slap even more now
copper hare
Idk why they still bother with slam, they should just remove that clunky awful ability and bring heroic strike back
grand scaffold
Idk why they still bother with slam, they should just remove that clunky awful a...
yah
tardy flame
Make Slam like old-school Execute and consume all rage and fuckin' slapppp
Also put a channel on it
Av + CS -> Stormbolt -> Channel Slam and crit for 400k. Game balanced
mild thunder
i dont think you realise how horrible a cast time for slam would be in the modern game
cast times are so bad that even casters dont cast anymore
tardy flame
I don't think you realise that I have been drinking and am having a laugh
tardy flame
Depends who they focus. I'd play safe and try focus rogue out of LoS of the mage
grand scaffold
ok
stark eagle
anyone been having better luck with Dragon roar over Spear for arms?
stark eagle
shit always seems to just walk right out of my spear
grand scaffold
my winrate with troar is much higher
stark eagle
lovely big line attached to them and they waltz out
tardy flame
I've tried SkS and Roar, and it just isn't fun for me
Spear + Blademaster
That is the good shit
stark eagle
would be just using roar over spear in a unhinged/ms build
Spear in concept is great but I just seem to be getting bad luck on it
Aussie ping doesnt help either
tardy flame
Going Roar without Bloodborne doesn't sit right with me
serene kite
Top 3 EU wars play roar
tardy flame
And going Bloodborne without SkS doesn't sit right
tardy flame
I've won so many matches off the 60k Fatality proc. It has done me well, and I in turn will love it forever
Thematically it is also awesome
serene kite
Maybe I’ll give it another try sometime
EP is definitely ass and will be even more ass
tardy flame
Yeah, EP has not felt good for a while
stark eagle
it kinda goes well when you get Sudden death though
just makes your usual mortal strike hit harder than it would have
serene kite
Execute feels so wimpy this expac
tardy flame
I feel like that should be a Fury talent
native thunder
MW monk and Ele Sham in 2v2 just gave me a run for my money
serene kite
Ele makes me want to throw my keyboard
stark eagle
Ele always seems to pump in the games I have
native thunder
The fucking totem spams and just blowing my shit up
serene kite
2s is also so hard if you don’t play with a disc
tardy flame
Ele has been the bane of my existence since day zero of DF
serene kite
I play with a RL buddy of mine and he’s a MW and we’re only in the 16-1700 bracket rn and they’ve been some absurdly sweaty games
Shit’s hard
I’m 2100 in shuffle and it feels like a breeze comparatively
native thunder
I was playing with a MW as well
native thunder
I will say he placed a nice ring to block a rogue from escaping around the pillar
serene kite
Disc just does so much fucking damage
native thunder
Bounced him back so I could execute his face off
serene kite
Good rings are a thing of beauty
tardy flame
I love killing people inside of rings with Unhinged Bladestorms
Honestly one of the best feelings
native thunder
The fact that bladestorm doesn’t kill totems is stupid
tardy flame
That would totally gimp Shaman
And as much as I'd like it, it would not be good design
stark eagle
be similar to if aoe damaged those fire bomb things in dungeons. would make it pointless
whatever its called
the ones you gotta target.
stark eagle
look these are just rumors I hear
native thunder
Yeah. Just annoying they spam them when I hit bladestorm and I have to cancel out to hit totem and escape
frank knoll
For some reason they never Nerf healers
I don’t think disc will be brought down to reality
tardy flame
I feel like Disc has been problematic ever since they made it heal by doing damage
You can't really balance that
grand scaffold
You don’t like getting outdamaged by a disc?
you'
are getting outdmged by a disc priest>?
stark eagle
get some real dingleberries in solo shuffle
amount of times you have someone on the ropes at like 5% hp a single execute will finish them and the hunter on your team goes from 75% hp to zero
frank knoll
I have an issue with the infinite shields they have, damage isn’t really scary yet for me
grand scaffold
i really dont find disc that crazy in terms of dmg
and disc in solo shuffle are usually dumb
frank knoll
I’ll like, about to be able to get a kill, and then suddenly shield for 40% of their HP
After I just broke a shield
sharp meteor
amount of times you have someone on the ropes at like 5% hp a single execute wil...
DK grips them to safety.
gentle depot
i...how is this possible
grand scaffold
i...how is this possible
0_0
mines not exactly pretty either
like a 50% win ratio
stark eagle
bro how long you been in que
grand scaffold
it keeps pausing for some reason
idk why
im moving to another area
then restarting my game
yeah valdrakken bugged
i got a que in about 10 min'
dc'd
now in que again
:/
grand scaffold
i dont really think warrior is overpowered
they like A tier
they need to buff stuff like rend and slam more tho
if they dont want ms to be big of our dmg
eager lake
can someone help me improve this macro? my problem is that if i'm already battle stance, i'll turn it off
it'll*
severe basin
i dont really think warrior is overpowered
Yea neither do I and considering how easy it is to die as a warrior they shouldn't be nerfing talents
If they want to nerf damage they need to buff survivability
frank knoll
A good ele free casting is a nightmare
frank knoll
Naw Destro
lean burrow
can someone help me improve this macro? my problem is that if i'm already battle...
!battle stance
frank knoll
I mean actually if it’s higher mmr, Destro probably won’t be to susceptible to being kill target
opaque quarry
I've liked it more than spear since I switched to your build.
Esp if it is someone who ignores the tether.
grand scaffold
I've liked it more than spear since I switched to your build.
😄
steep cairn
@grand scaffold can you post the build string here?
analog harness
How you feel after nerfs?
steep cairn
nerfs not until tuesday i believe
analog harness
Or its not live yet
grand scaffold
BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERCJJpUKJBAAAAEEJiGJAR0QSCJhmEhEASkAAAAAAAAQiSiIAQDB
dont bother with spear i think
this too good
steep cairn
I miss spear 30% of the time so im gonna love bleeds lol
steep cairn
Or its not live yet
Class tuning comes "next reset"
grand scaffold
i just find the burst from bleeds absurd
i get 90k dps
i dont do that with spear
you just zug
and win
green wyvern
idk why this chat likes bleed
grand scaffold
yeah bitch
green wyvern
I like the changes to arms
green wyvern
i did in DF beta
grand scaffold
INSANITY
nah do it atm
troar got buffed
i get 90k dps consistantly in openers
mild thunder
If they want to nerf damage they need to buff survivability
the top-end of arms burst was absolutely overtuned
and thats what was nerfed
steep cairn
what do point do you move if you want the throws?
mild thunder
nothing else needs to be touched for us now, we're gonna be pretty well-balanced
grand scaffold
what do point do you move if you want the throws?
cruel strikes
steep cairn
thanks
green wyvern
where mud at
timid sand
hi! So im doing some PVP for the mog... at what point do I trade PVE I level for PVP gear (honor gear in this case). All of my PVE pieces are 418+
timid sand
more like 20
hot solstice
Do they really nerfed arms more than assa?
grand scaffold
well you may wanna get more vers
generally in pvp you want about 30%
because it makes you remarkably more tanky
green wyvern
Do they really nerfed arms more than assa?
not really
grand scaffold
thing is tho in your pve gear you gonna slap the shit out of people
mild thunder
Do they really nerfed arms more than assa?
the psyfiend and dmark nerfs put together are pretty huge for RPX
grand scaffold
i dont think ide swap for honor gear too much
maybe if you are really struggling to survive
hot solstice
the psyfiend and dmark nerfs put together are pretty huge for RPX
I would call it bug fix…not a nerf
mystic barn
bug fixes can be nerfs or buffs
rogues stacking mortal being unintended and fixed is a nerf for rogue
hot solstice
At least assa isn’t that much represented in 3s but in 2s it’s 66% u will get assa loby above 1800
grand scaffold
nope
but i got it right her
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here*
cursive pike
nice thank you sir
grand scaffold
🙂
mild thunder
I would call it bug fix…not a nerf
It definitely is a nerf though
Yes the interaction may have been unintended, but if it was artificially buffing their comp, and it’s fixed, that’s a nerf
steel hawk
If you are skilled enough, is it possible to reach 1800 in 2v2 without a healer (warrior + DH) or do you hit a meta wall before that?
mystic barn
omg galachad reposted what I said
twin mural
If you are skilled enough, is it possible to reach 1800 in 2v2 without a healer ...
most def possible
steel hawk
Alright we will keep at it then. Only did a few first ever fights but as soon as the other team had a healer it felt impossible. Just have to get better then
mild thunder
omg galachad reposted what I said
QCnoob
mild thunder
Alright we will keep at it then. Only did a few first ever fights but as soon as...
it's possible, but probably a waste of time
steel hawk
Too hard?
mild thunder
unnecessarily difficult in all the wrong ways
most of your wins will come from janky zerg oneshots in the opener, because you won't be able to sustain an actual lengthy game
assuming you're arms, as fury it'd be a bit easier
steel hawk
Guess I could switch to fury but yeah I'm arms. I just want the transmogs and DH doesn't wanna change class. Maybe the play is to solo shuffle for the 1800 and make a healer for 2s
undone pumice
wtf newdogoh fixed ui !!
grand scaffold
wtf newdogoh fixed ui !!
what happened to whos ui
grand scaffold
oh
vestal quail
Guess I could switch to fury but yeah I'm arms. I just want the transmogs and DH...
I got to 1850cr in 2s as fury with a resto shammy was pre disc priest buffs though and it was nearly all rogue rdruid. Still felt toxic as fuck and much harder than any other season I’ve played. Fury def easier in 2s though
grand scaffold
what was wrong with my ui before?
wheat jay
Ndogo's redemption arc is the best content
undone pumice
yes
grand scaffold
😄
wheat jay
Ndogo
undone pumice
undone pumice
dog
sharp meteor
dough go
wheat jay
I refuse to accept silent n
sharp meteor
in dough go
undone pumice
doggo
grand scaffold
🤣
wheat jay
Snoopdoggo
undone pumice
arms doggo
wheat jay
mild thunder
how do u even say ndogo
i just assumed it was indigo but a subtle i
hot beacon
this questions i probably asked a ton, but is arms or fury better for pvp atm?
sharp meteor
arms seems better
mild thunder
prot
topaz tulip
prot <:xeos:945501697847992341>
This arms solo shuffle shit is fucking me up rn ;-;
hot beacon
okay thanks
craggy meteor
Ooh I really don’t like this incoming arms change
hot beacon
and also is icy veins decent for warrior talents and guides
im back to warrior didnt play it for a long ass time
topaz tulip
and also is icy veins decent for warrior talents and guides
Take the ones in the pins
mild thunder
and also is icy veins decent for warrior talents and guides
icyveings is good because it is updated by our very own, beloved Kargish
craggy meteor
Because of how squishy we are, I often has to play a little like a windwalker monk in Shuffle, doing big burst then running away. Buffing low-value sustain abilities is worthless because slam literally never gets pressed. I never want to press it during my burst and outside of my burst, my fury is almost certainly better spent on ignore pain.
mild thunder
builds in pins are also okay
hot beacon
damn nice ty!
lean burrow
Because of how squishy we are, I often has to play a little like a windwalker m...
dh player detected
craggy meteor
dh player detected
Eh? I’m an arms player. Obviously. That’s why I’m here. Back under your rock with you, troll
analog harness
After def stance nerf wari got only Die by the sword and ignore pain
Its not that much
topaz tulip
After def stance nerf wari got only Die by the sword and ignore pain
Waaat? But spell reflect is so good though!
serene jacinth
mild thunder
Eh? I’m an arms player. Obviously. That’s why I’m here. Back under your rock wit...
dude arms was busted
the nerfs are very justified
anyone defending our 200k mortal strikes is on dh-tier cope
craggy meteor
After def stance nerf wari got only Die by the sword and ignore pain
Die by the sword, ignore pain, impending victory, rally cry, disarm, bitter immunity, spell reflect and defensive stance. Some of them are long CDs but you got more than 2 buttons
analog harness
Slam with this BUFF and talents +90 % DMG and crit chance would be good maybe xD
topaz tulip
dude arms was busted
Busted he says.
craggy meteor
anyone defending our 200k mortal strikes is on dh-tier cope
I’m not really defending anything. I’m just saying buffing slam as compensation really isn’t compensation. It’s a worthless ability outside of 2s where you can afford to just zug non stop
mild thunder
I’m not really defending anything. I’m just saying buffing slam as compensation ...
we dont need slam to do good sustained damage
they couldve given us zero buffs to compensate and we'd still be fine
craggy meteor
In solo shuffle, ignore pain pretty much always takes prio over slam. Barely worth binding slam
craggy meteor
they couldve given us zero buffs to compensate and we'd still be fine
That may be true. I’m not really arguing that
mild thunder
you were complaining about the nerfs though...
mild thunder
climbing huge man
topaz tulip
they couldve given us zero buffs to compensate and we'd still be fine
I'm confused, weren't you just saying like a week ago that arms was "better but still not really up there?" I get the crits were nice, and I do think it's a bit fair to lower those spikes, but also I feel like the damage across the board could be better for war
grand scaffold
climbing huge man
😄
mild thunder
I'm confused, weren't you just saying like a week ago that arms was "better but ...
i think overall we were always a step down from stuff like assa rogue, but the top-end of our burst was always problematic
and thats what was nerfed
our sustained dps will be roughly the same, a little worse
craggy meteor
I said I don’t like the nature of the change. Their intent is clearly to shift out damage profile to make it less spikey but they’ve buffed the wrong ability. They shoulda buffed rend or given impending victory a shorter CD. Buffing slam does literally nothing. Not even worth including it in the patch notes
mild thunder
agreed, but we dont need any buffs to compensate for the nerf
grand scaffold
shift to bleed build?
craggy meteor
Their description reads as it wasn’t really intended to be a net nerf but an adjustment to damage profile. So they’ve failed in their intent
grand scaffold
they need to buff bleeeeeeds
mild thunder
they may have failed in their intent, but they succeeded in balancing us well
our sustained single-target dps right now is already incredibly strong
topaz tulip
our sustained dps will be roughly the same, a little worse
It's the sustain that bothers me. Maybe I'm just a shit war, but once burst cools off in pvp, i'm finding my damage kinda dog shit compared to most of the other melee classes. And it's not like pve doesn't reflect the same type shit
mild thunder
if they buffed it in any substantial way, it'd need to be nerfed in a few weeks too
craggy meteor
We were already a lot worse than rogue, DH, ele, SP. We’re a solid A tier spec. Good burst but major survivability issues. Now we’re like low-A/high-B
craggy meteor
DH after the nerf idk but DH right this moment is still absolutely S-tier. They’re mega strong and with glimpse can escape any bad situation with ease
craggy meteor
Imagine if we could get a snare immunity every 20 seconds
mild thunder
grand scaffold
just no
craggy meteor
Solid communication skills there. Just no. Can’t make a point just arrogantly shut down the other.
craggy meteor
I see this is knuckle-dragging hour. I’ll be back later
mild thunder
not arrogantly, narcissistically
grand scaffold
I see this is knuckle-dragging hour. I’ll be back later
yeah go enjoy your hour
craggy meteor
not arrogantly
Saying “just no” to anyone is spectacularly arrogant. Don’t kid yourself
topaz tulip
Imagine if we could get a snare immunity every 20 seconds
Hol on a sec though
grand scaffold
dont kid yourself dh isnt that good
mild thunder
I see this is knuckle-dragging hour. I’ll be back later
comes in complaining that arms will be B tier
accuses others of knuckle-dragging
topaz tulip
why don't you think dh is that much better than war when dh has been dominating 2200+ since season start?
grand scaffold
undone pumice
cause dh has to be elf and leather so immediately -50kg on lifts and -30cm penis size
grand scaffold
dh isnt that good
mild thunder
because dh has been nerfed multiple times through the season...
grand scaffold
they flop
mild thunder
who tf cares what was good w1-4