pvp

[grand scaffold]

for initial dmg

[thick reef]

well u save rage

its 20

rage for totem

[full quiver]

That sounds giga troll

[grand scaffold]

i dont have many keybinds

-_-

[tribal wedge]

Like i Never cant use ms cause of lack of rage

[thick reef]

nono i agre wtih uy

[tribal wedge]

So this 10 rage spend goes to anger management

[thick reef]

slam is 20 rage

so u save 10 rage vs using rend on totem

sometimes i overpower totems buit iodk if its owrth

its just a in the moment thing

[grand scaffold]

i do vs things like static totem

rend/slam doesnt 1 shot it

[thick reef]

its funny to be fighting a ele and he puts skyfire and u 360 no scope the skyfire with throw but he still manges to bring u down to 50% before the throw hits the totem

[thick reef]

oh ye true

[grand scaffold]

or psyfiend

[thick reef]

yeah

preist that shield psyfind

😡 🙄 👎

nah im jk its smart but its just annoying

[grand scaffold]

even without shield slam/rend wont 1 shot it

[thick reef]

yea

[grand scaffold]

idk i COULD add slam to bars

just dont feel like it

[modern grail]

do you tend to blow burst in opener or are you trying to get a wall first

[grand scaffold]

depends what im against

vs dh i bladestorm to bait blur

otherwise i use all cd's

[modern grail]

solid

[thick reef]

yea

[modern grail]

disarm vs any melee or only specific ones?

[tribal wedge]

Not feral/monk

[grand scaffold]

general rule

does it swing a weapon?

grab disarm

[thick reef]

ye

[grand scaffold]

feral monk both dont swing

same with casters

aside from hunters

[modern grail]

kk. i guess i'm trying this shit again. was climbing steady until i started messing with troar and dropped back down to mid 1800 yesterday wrote it off

[tribal wedge]

And idk for DH, it lose some value since they Can breake it by doing some backflip

[grand scaffold]

vs hutners i dont really run disarm tho

only vs surv

against bm i run warbringer

[thick reef]

yea they can glimspe disarm

[grand scaffold]

because they kite a lot

[thick reef]

and i think they have it by default now

[tribal wedge]

Y

[grand scaffold]

and vs mm hunter

not only are they rare

you can hardly tell when they are bursting

no more double tap

[thick reef]

yea

[grand scaffold]

so i also dont run disarm vs them

because its usually a wasted effort

[modern grail]

do you macro on-use trinket or nah

[flat dome]

I macro it with Troar

[grand scaffold]

same

i also macro it to spear

i dont use it without av

avatar*

[modern grail]

seems like the move would be to put it on avatar then so it's ahead of CS

[grand scaffold]

not a bad idea

[modern grail]

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/cast blood fury
/use 13
/cast Colossus Smash

[grand scaffold]

remove cs

[tribal wedge]

Y

[modern grail]

done

[flat dome]

I use uproar, hence when I put it on troar

Having a juiced up troar each time is nice

[grand scaffold]

i dont use uproar

no reason to use roar without avatar imo

[flat dome]

You're still able to use it with avatar

[waxen oasis]

Trying out uproar and it feels nice to have a go every 30 secs

[grand scaffold]

every 30 sec?

[tribal wedge]

Every 60 sec

U mean

[flat dome]

Every other troar is used with avatar. While being able to use trinket with each roar

[late nacelle]

@grand scaffold did u start using shield swap yet

[waxen oasis]

CS + sharpen every 30 secs

then roar every 1 min then avatar after that

[grand scaffold]

nope

[modern grail]

tbh i feel like we're all too mongo to realize what a benefit it could be outside of disarm cd. melee offensive CDs - swap and block

[late nacelle]

tried and tested method

+300 rating

u will be 2700 when u start shield swap

[modern grail]

and it's really easy to set up with macros

[waxen oasis]

Does the shield block still work if u instantly switch back to 2H?

[modern grail]

seems to

[late nacelle]

no

[waxen oasis]

i see the buff still active but unsure if it still blocks dmg

[modern grail]

o

[late nacelle]

u will block

[waxen oasis]

so you gotta keep the shield on for the whole duration?

[late nacelle]

but ur block value is 0

so it does nothing

[mild thunder]

Never shield block

Literally useless

[late nacelle]

it is tried and tested method mate

its like popping a 30% damage reduction

with no cooldown

[mild thunder]

It’s literally useless, never worth doing

[modern grail]

I don't get this. if you macro def stance then it's 15% + 30% on blocked phys attacks

that's a wall on 15 cd

[muted surge]

and do 0 dmg

[late nacelle]

u dont need to do dmg

u just need to live

[modern grail]

but if you're getting tunneled at 20% it's better to reset than dying

[muted surge]

whop does even physical dmg ?

besides wars

[waxen oasis]

@late nacelle Can you use it while disarmed?

[late nacelle]

yes

only disarms ur wep

[modern grail]

that's good tech

[waxen oasis]

oh damn perfect for disarm windows then Poggers

[late nacelle]

it is powerful

all u need is a macro and knowing when and not to use

[modern grail]

#showtooltip Shield Block
/equipset [noequipped:Shields]Shield
/cast [stance:2]Defensive Stance
/cast Shield Block

make an armor set called shield and block all pieces but your sword and board

[mild thunder]

It’s literally never worth doing

There’s a reason not a single top player ever does it

[modern grail]

prob the same reason no one is 4k+ yet

[mild thunder]

Deflated rating..? No…

[grand scaffold]

odds are against me

i need luck

send it over

[late nacelle]

take my energy

tbh

i like doing surprise switch

on pala healers

last round

shattering

they never expect it

random onetaps

[grand scaffold]

IT WORKED

ima get the remaining cr tomorrow

GG's

ty for trolling flark with me

😄

[late nacelle]

you'd be surprised how lazy people are even at the top

@elfin surge can confirm

[mild thunder]

You’re essentially disarming yourself for 6 seconds for a measly 30% dmg reduc

[elfin surge]

i use shield and 1h for openers

[mild thunder]

Mud is literally

The worst player

[late nacelle]

x d

[mild thunder]

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong

[bright stream]

oh no, it's the flark/ndogfury incident all over again

[late nacelle]

but i can agree on that its clunky and annoying to use

but better to get used to it

[mild thunder]

I was joking

[late nacelle]

wanna have every avenue ready for use

[late nacelle]

taunting pets and stuff also very underused i think

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-the-room-2003-i-did-not-i-did-naht-gif-10983812

[late nacelle]

and weaving heroic throws on charges or stormbolt

[bright stream]

sorry I need to do something while waiting for this project to build - and I'm opting for talking absolute nonsense in the pvp discord channels

[mild thunder]

you lost me

[late nacelle]

u can

get a free gcd off

[mild thunder]

heroic throw is like

[late nacelle]

during a max range charge

[mild thunder]

40 dmg

[late nacelle]

it can crit like 15k

its not nothing

its by no means mandatory but minmax is minmax

[bright stream]

seems like a decent macro thing

mind you my charge macro is already doing overtime with intervene and victory rush

[late nacelle]

u probs do sweeping

over that tho

if its in a situation like that

[mild thunder]

15k sounds high

[late nacelle]

but if its 1 target

u do the throw

[vapid tartan]

why do people go boots of impunity over infurious reprieve?

isnt the haste more useful than mastery

[modern grail]

charge + sweep good tech

[thick reef]

hey i have offtopic question this has nothing to do with pvp but i just need yalls opinons, what is a good mog with the mage tower warrior set.

not mog err weapon

good matching weapon*

[late nacelle]

did u do the mage tower?

i cant make the dps check

[thick reef]

yea i got the set i just want a good

weapon

[late nacelle]

i got him to 10%

[thick reef]

i cant do fury

but i did arms

oh for the arms one

start him in the middle

[late nacelle]

i did fury but not arms

xD

[thick reef]

its ok arms is a little tough, theres a little trick u need to do

[tribal wedge]

Because its note plate?

[thick reef]

u need to start him in the midd,e instead of dragging him to the wall

[warm portal]

Those are mail boots lol

[late nacelle]

full pvp gear doesnt help i assume

[thick reef]

u can doit with full pvp gear

i didnt uyse anything

[late nacelle]

i think

if i stall

[thick reef]

but a build might help

[late nacelle]

p1

until all CDs

come up

[thick reef]

yea

[vapid tartan]

damn i need to stop smoking

[thick reef]

do that

[late nacelle]

for start of p2

i might make it

is it

same mog

[thick reef]

if you start him in the middle and u should get him to about 90% untill the race around the walls start

[analog harness]

Do you guys use 4p?

[thick reef]

yea

[late nacelle]

from fury one and arms one?

[thick reef]

it is

same mog

ye

all warrior is same mog

[late nacelle]

ahh

[thick reef]

yea

[late nacelle]

so i dont need to do them then

pog

[thick reef]

ye

well

if you want

the soaring spelltome

u can do arms

[late nacelle]

soaring spelltome

wot

[thick reef]

its a mount from doing every mage tower challange

[late nacelle]

oh damn

i did all of em in legion

didnt try em since

[thick reef]

ahh

im sure u could do it, its just some of the fights are gay

[late nacelle]

i dont even know what

build to run

im gonna try

bleed

i think

[thick reef]

do bleed yea

i found this helpful vid and it had a nice build

[waxen oasis]

@late nacelle so shield slam during shield block too? since it generates rage

[late nacelle]

u could

dont feel like i need rage for stuff tho

i dont have it bound personally

but sure it could prove useful

[waxen oasis]

might do more dmg then a slam

[modern grail]

it seems like the main reason to swap is during disarm, and in that case i think shield slam is your only option

[waxen oasis]

Dude my shield slam crits for 16k

and thats in D stance

lmao

with CS

so with avatar and battle stance even more

[modern grail]

i would say if you're swapping during your Go then you're fking up lol

[quick carbon]

prot is lowkey s tier

[modern grail]

also apparently you can mog your sword and board to a 2h, so it doesn't look like you've swapped

[quick carbon]

60k shield charge into 70k shockwaves into 90k executes

[waxen oasis]

not intentionally but like during disarm

[quick carbon]

nerf that class

[waxen oasis]

anyones alt modifier hotkeys dont work sometimes in the pvp room?

[slim knoll]

so are we S tier now in arms or no?

[modern grail]

borderline. nothing is really S tier right now imo. we die just fine, and nothing else is out of hand

[slim knoll]

not seeing a lot of warrior in awc

[sage raptor]

It was before trinket change

Unless you have some sauce I haven't seen yet

[steep inlet]

A

there is some classes a lot better

tbh

[muted surge]

What about Assa

And prob frost mage

[modern grail]

oh yeah, forgot about them lol. i was thinking in terms of melee. fmage and assa and evokers glass cannon shit is crazy right now

they all sustain 60k dps for like a minute at the beginning

[muted surge]

Yea

So we do have some s tier

And war isn’t close to them I think. Arms feels fine

But not over the top atm

[modern grail]

i wouldn't say so but people are bitching a lot about us rn and we're way over represented in shuffle

[muted surge]

Are we?

[modern grail]

idk the figure but something like 18% of the pop

[muted surge]

At least on 1.8 in every match I have a rogue priest mage dh

Well war was always popular

[copper hare]

Id say arms is high A and probably has some s tier comps in 3s

but the spec itself can't be s tier until assa gets nerfed to the ground

that spec shits so hard on us it's not even funny

[modern grail]

yeah a good assa rogue just feels different from anything else. you cant do shit

[copper hare]

that guy is crying about anything but demo lock (his only spec) for years

he's already a forum meme

[muted surge]

The forum is a meme

[copper hare]

it is

[modern grail]

average crit 128k how the fuck

[muted surge]

But ye I agree, high a to low s

[copper hare]

that's like one unhinged bladestorm into his pets

[slim knoll]

Just went into solo shuffle at 1791 and an arcane mage massacred us every round. Destro lock too. Felt like a water balloon in that one

[modern grail]

does a sweeping MS crit get counted as 1 hit?

[muted surge]

What I notice tho is that all the rogues on my cr are so garbage

Same with disc priests

[copper hare]

no but pets take higher damage

[muted surge]

Are they just all fotm

[modern grail]

ahh

[copper hare]

I doubt he crits a full geared demo lock for 170k

[muted surge]

My highest on demo is like 100k or so

[modern grail]

ive had some 120k

[muted surge]

And that’s with everything Procced

[copper hare]

I mean I hit a 230k in arena before but 2 min later I realised it was on a demo pet aswell

But people look at details and think "brooooken class"

[muted surge]

What’s up with all the locks

Like I just can’t hit for that 165k :(

Show me the secret so I can get glad

[mild thunder]

Care factor = zero

Fuck locks

[copper hare]

complaining about other specs when you are still the tankiest class and when you're able to kill people in a mortal coil is kinda cringe

btw, that snare immunity + movement speed after his port? fuck that

[mild thunder]

Literally two lock specs are strong atm too

[steep inlet]

fuck this fucker

[mild thunder]

Destro just coming outta nowhere and destroying shit

[steep inlet]

and crush locks to the ground with our big axes

[muted surge]

Aren’t all 3 good

[mild thunder]

Affli is good, but below the others imo

[muted surge]

Maybe I’m just too dumb for affl, but they have some insane burst

[mild thunder]

Demo is the most aids imo

Cringe screen cleave

[muted surge]

Some drain life build out dpsed me and he healed more than I did damage :<

[quick carbon]

i mean to be fair warrior top end is a bit

too saucy

other than that warriors fine

[steep inlet]

nothing better executing a fucking lock into the dust

[muted surge]

Top end?

[steep inlet]

except maybe crushing a rogue

[quick carbon]

top endd burst

too high

other than that war is fine

[mild thunder]

Very good feeling

[crude bane]

some mongoloid ppl rly bitching on MS pet crit ?

[muted surge]

Idk compared to others it doesn’t seem that big

[mild thunder]

But I think executing an assa might be better

[quick carbon]

ive crit players

with 200k

mortal strikes

[copper hare]

ye, but drain life was bugged until last week, did double damage/healing

[mild thunder]

It defs is a bit

[crude bane]

just how

[mild thunder]

Not much, but a bit

[crude bane]

they play with no gear

[quick carbon]

high end burst numbers can get rlly fuckin bonkers

[muted surge]

Ah that might explain it

[late nacelle]

Why do 200k mortal strikea

[crude bane]

my ms max crit is still 105k

[late nacelle]

When u can do 300k SKS

[low cobalt]

iD lIKe tO pEtiTioN

[mild thunder]

How

[crude bane]

and average is like 70 K

idk

[quick carbon]

then ur talents

r ass

[late nacelle]

Eh

[muted surge]

Same man :(

[late nacelle]

They got me to 2400

Not complaining

[crude bane]

i stoped played warrior since i cant crit liek you guyz kekw

[quick carbon]

i despise skullsplitter

[late nacelle]

Its legit strong tho

[quick carbon]

ya i have no doubt

i just

dont like it

[mild thunder]

I usually hit at least one >100k ms/game, and that’s on the lower end of big burst

[late nacelle]

Hits way harder than any MS

[low cobalt]

can u post build? curious to try

[late nacelle]

Ye sec in toilet atm

[muted surge]

Sks gives me cancer

[mild thunder]

[quick carbon]

i just dont like having to get ur dots up then hitting skullsplitter only to reapply dots

[crude bane]

yeah idk man im pressing MS on warbreaker with 2 OP stack and SB

[quick carbon]

feels rlly clunky to me

[low cobalt]

u sure hes using the 3rd one?

[crude bane]

still doing dogshit crit

[quick carbon]

do u have

avatar

badge

andd spear

crit bonus

[mild thunder]

Pretty sure he might run Hurricane, but that’s troll

[late nacelle]

You know

[crude bane]

yeah and i maxed crit 105K

[late nacelle]

If u rly wanna hit hard

[crude bane]

never over120 for sure

[late nacelle]

U use proc and on use trinket

And SKS

[quick carbon]

idk ur doing something wrong then

[crude bane]

yeah obv

but idk wat

seem slike the ez classe ever made cant suit me

[quick carbon]

i just legit despise sks playstyle

[late nacelle]

Tbh. The 150k+ mortal strikes are bad. OP got buffed way too much better to have OP charges in burst window

OP can hit nearly 100k

[quick carbon]

ive only hit like 70k

max

overpowers

[late nacelle]

Dreadnought

[modern grail]

these really big ones are coming with 2 OP, 1 or 2 of the execute MS buff, ava, trinket, and CS

[quick carbon]

yes everyone uses dreadnaught

[late nacelle]

Ya idk, are u full 424 gear?

[modern grail]

and 2p?

[crude bane]

420

[late nacelle]

I've done 95k ones

[crude bane]

with 2 Part

[quick carbon]

im also not using

double dps

trinkets

[modern grail]

double dps trinkets is troll lol you don't need that

[late nacelle]

And u shouldnt except for solo shuff

[quick carbon]

i mean solo shuffle is only way to playy now

[modern grail]

i just realized today i need to switch to conq on-use trinket. my warr brain just wanted to proc one

[quick carbon]

3v3 ladder is ddead

[late nacelle]

I think in solo shuff its a legit choice to take double dps trink

[quick carbon]

as fuck

[late nacelle]

Also dont forget to shield swap

Free 30% damage reduct with 15 sec CD

[quick carbon]

i cba to weapon swap and hit shield block

if i cant win by out damaging u

then im not gonna win

[modern grail]

damn tbh i sometimes don't even trink 4/6 rounds idk why i didn't think of this. kinda rare to get trained but when it happens it sucks ass

[quick carbon]

it is what it is

[low cobalt]

holy shit shield swap?!

i need this 4k rating sks build its the only thing holding me back

[late nacelle]

Its not a meme

[quick carbon]

just check pins man

[late nacelle]

This is an actual tool at your disposal

[modern grail]

@elfin surge is shield swapping regarded

[late nacelle]

It will win you games

[low cobalt]

@late nacelle are u using the build in the pins?

[late nacelle]

No

[quick carbon]

u know wot also wins u games

spear of bastion

[low cobalt]

ok thats what i thought thats why i keep asking lol

[late nacelle]

True

But even if u miss

10% of your spears

[modern grail]

try 40

[late nacelle]

The margin of those wins over sks

Disappears

Completely

[quick carbon]

idk

[late nacelle]

This is 100% consistent

[quick carbon]

im fine without it

[steep inlet]

or u can play roar no SkS no spear ;)

[quick carbon]

sks is just clunky

[late nacelle]

It isnt

U just need to get used to it

[quick carbon]

i find it clunky

i just hate it

OH MAN GETTING FULL DDOTS UP

POPPING EVERRY CD

SKS

OH WOW

HALF HIS HP GONE

REAPPLYING BLEEDS HERE

[late nacelle]

It can legit hit for 300k mate

[quick carbon]

ive never seen it do that much ddamage

[late nacelle]

U can execute people from 70% hp

[quick carbon]

ive seen it 70-20 people

not 70-0

[late nacelle]

If they dont have any DR

They die

[quick carbon]

the thing with sks

is if someone puts any

damage absorb shieldd

that blocks sks damage

u wasted

ur entire go

[late nacelle]

Wrecking throw

[quick carbon]

having to pre wrecking throw andd hope they ddont re apply a shield seems sketch

[late nacelle]

And u use the sks

[quick carbon]

esp if they know ur sks

[late nacelle]

Every CS

[quick carbon]

idk im not gonna argue ab it

cuz im never playing it

[late nacelle]

So its up like every 30 sec

[modern grail]

are you running sks?

[late nacelle]

Yes

[low cobalt]

😂

[modern grail]

what mmr?

[late nacelle]

2450?

[modern grail]

i figured it was high

idk i don't wanna sacrifice my shit to learn it

[steep inlet]

its not mandatory

at all

[late nacelle]

I did feel it gave me lots more windows to burst someone

Rather than having that one big go with spear

I get a go every CS nearly as strong

[modern grail]

kinda goes to show that r1's really are lazy lmao i don't doubt that using it properly is busted, just surprised almost no one on murlok is running it

[late nacelle]

Like you know shield swapping is busted

But probs less than 10% r1 players use it

[fair tide]

any other sites like murlok.io ?

[modern grail]

drustvar, but more of a armory replacement

[late nacelle]

Also murlokio pretty flawed

People swap their entire talents with 1 click but murlok io will show their default with no matchups in mind

[modern grail]

i bet whoever is dev for murlok is malding at this balance cadence from blizz lol

[analog harness]

Guys for arena is worth to use 4p as arms?

[late nacelle]

Yes

[modern grail]

dont use helm, yes

[late nacelle]

The crafted helm is so strong

Wouldnt surprise me if it got nerfed

[analog harness]

Thanks

[modern grail]

personally i see it do 500 dps most rounds

[opaque quarry]

Idk if its strong enough to be nerf worthy? Lol.

[late nacelle]

If u get trained

It can do like 15% of ur dmg

Also think its bugged and scales with bloodborne

Felt it did way more dmg

Ever since i swapped to sks build

20k crits

From the helm effect

Kinda nuts

[fair tide]

whats your build for sks?

[late nacelle]

Might be that i went full mastery gear mby hmm

[crude bane]

its me or frostmage is just broken as hell

[opaque quarry]

I mean that's kind of the point of the helm tbh lol. Little impact or a lot.

[modern grail]

bro how did you not mention this lol is mastery better for the troar build?

[late nacelle]

its better for SKS

haste makes ur dots tick faster

u dont want that

u want all ur ticks to pop with SKS

[quick carbon]

crits prob fine with it too

[late nacelle]

yeah

mastery primary

crit secondary

and vers on almost every piece obviously

[quick carbon]

im not a big fan of mastery rn

[late nacelle]

reason for mastery over crit is that u get 3% from bstance and 20% from reck and 5% from 4 set

going beyond that starts giving u diminishing returns

so ur already 33% crit chance

with 0 crit on gear

[quick carbon]

most warriors r just going vers > crit

[quick carbon]

ur not hurricane

thrs no way

[late nacelle]

@low cobalt @fair tide

[low cobalt]

thanks!

[late nacelle]

i would not use it

in 3v3

but in solo shuff?

100% use it

[low cobalt]

very interesting build, time to yolo

[late nacelle]

u do

rend -> AVA(all CDs) + CS -> SKS

but bladestorm before that

also double dps trinkets

wait for proc trinket to proc

[quick carbon]

isnt hurricane nerfed by half in pvp

anyway

[late nacelle]

yes

u still take it

only

[quick carbon]

i think thats just meme build

[late nacelle]

for solo shuff

dont use it in 3v3

[quick carbon]

3v3 is dead

solo shuff is pvp now

[late nacelle]

like i get what ur saying

it IS meme

until u hit a 300k SKS

then u just win

[slim knoll]

why do builds differ from solo to 3's?

[late nacelle]

less coordinated

usually

if u do something to someone

they wont always have the answer

so they'd rely on a teammate

to shut it down

which they cant do in solo shuff

cos no comms

[quick carbon]

whenever im playing roar

im just doing the no sks

bleed spec

its most fun build for war imo

[late nacelle]

i just dont like it

cos other classes do it better

do what warr does best

rather than try to be bad version of another class

[quick carbon]

u still hit stupid single target

numbers

[late nacelle]

shield swapping + SKS build

the 2 biggest components

of my climb imo

[slim knoll]

so you just throw a shield on randomly with d stance and 2h for B stance?

Or when do u do it

[late nacelle]

if im getting focused

by melees or hunters

i equip shield and shieldblock

its like a 30% damage reduction

but on a 15 sec CD

[slim knoll]

so u just have it on a separate macro?

[crude bane]

just ssaw hansol crited for 200K glacial spike

[late nacelle]

i have one macro for dstance

[crude bane]

nerf war i guess

[late nacelle]

and one macro for dstance + shields

shield useless against casters

so i wouldnt wanna equip shield vs those

[tribal wedge]

Whats the point of hurricane here ?

[late nacelle]

ur SKS hitting 300k

thats the point

[next herald]

I got Hit by 200k glacial myself so Nothing Special i think

[fair tide]

I must be doing it wrong

cause my sks isnt hitting that hard

[tribal wedge]

Bladestorm last 6 sec

Hurricane strengh bonus last 6 sec and you cant cancel it

[midnight flume]

dudes, is the drakebreaker upgrade vendor not working?

or has it relocated to a diffrent npc

i cant find it

[next herald]

Whats sks again

[crude bane]

201K crit glacial spike

[tribal wedge]

Skulsplitter

[crude bane]

and the dude complaning for a 85 essence break

[late nacelle]

its easier to track

[crude bane]

[late nacelle]

with combat log

u use SKS

[candid citrus]

do most of you run speed or leech enchants?

[late nacelle]

it is the SKS dmg

• rend dmg

• deep wounds dmg

easiest way to check

is to combat log

u scroll up

to SKS

then every rend and deepwounds tick after that

in the combat log

is the SKS dmg

[candid citrus]

oh wise gnome do you run speed or leech enchants?

[late nacelle]

both are fine tbh

i like leech in solo shuff

speed in regular arenas

[candid citrus]

makes sense ty

[sharp meteor]

leech cloak enchant is big heal out of combat so that's nice in general

in arena it's a tiny bit of healing or a tiny bit of speed

idk u could make a case for having both but like

that's kind of minmaxing it

[late nacelle]

u gotta keep in mind

speed is a weird stat

if ur enemy

[sharp meteor]

in general i think speed is bis cos

[late nacelle]

has 1% more speed than u

[sharp meteor]

get out of line

[late nacelle]

it means u cant hit at all

eventually

[sharp meteor]

get into melee faster

more dam etc

[late nacelle]

lets say ur running at someone

and they're running away from u

if they got 1% more speed

[sharp meteor]

every class feels so slow after playing full speed hunter

[late nacelle]

u wont hit them after a while

[candid citrus]

reading all of this and tyvm

[late nacelle]

unless u charge

[sharp meteor]

with like the move speed pet

[torpid roost]

What percent do the leech enchants get you

[late nacelle]

like 10%

including

talent

[torpid roost]

So 5ish

[late nacelle]

its fairly decent

anything that makes u more self reliant in solo shuff is good

[candid citrus]

my leech at the garison is 11%

[late nacelle]

which is why i advocate for shield swapping so much

[torpid roost]

That blood and thunder build might not be terrible with 10% leech.... damn it I hate that I'm even considering this

[late nacelle]

healers in solo shuff will get CC chained once when trinket is down and u will die

any little edge u can get at all is so big

for overall winrate

[torpid roost]

Shield block is fucking nuts against physical

[late nacelle]

y

its literally

30% dmg reduct

on 15 sec CD

[torpid roost]

Remember we're arms warriors, not legs warriors, we got some block

[late nacelle]

against the right classes

[fair tide]

whats the macro to swap in a sheild in def stance?

[late nacelle]

u can do

[quick ivy]

The drakebreaker upgrade vendor? Is he gone? Or relocated?

[late nacelle]

/equip "item name"

and then just have ur 2h at the top of the macro

[torpid roost]

Relocated, it's on the regular upgrade vendor now

[quick ivy]

Aight ty

[late nacelle]

so u would have something like /equip 2h
/equip 1h
/equip shield

[torpid roost]

I use equipsets because you have to hit those macros multiple times to get the 1h/shield on

[late nacelle]

hmm thats not a bad idea

im too dumb to make macros tho

[torpid roost]

Versus with the equipset it's bangbang

I think that necessitates separate macros though

Which is yet another fucking button

[slim knoll]

what's the equipd set macro?

[candid citrus]

good stuff i have not been doing that with the shield etc

[late nacelle]

it takes a while to get used to

but u will get so much sturdier

[candid citrus]

thanks for all the great answers! much appreciated

[slim knoll]

does anyone ever even press ww or slam

[late nacelle]

i dont

but if u dont have rend

I think u should be using slam sometimes

to not ragecap

but!

you should be using rend sooo

[torpid roost]

/equipset whateveryounamedtheset

[solemn rivet]

Do ya'll use warbreaker or blunt more often in SS?

[torpid roost]

Blunt

[late nacelle]

yes

blunt is so good

ur CS can hit 100k

[solemn rivet]

awesome ty

[torpid roost]

Makes your burst ability more bursty

[lucid walrus]

can’t whiff CS either

[solemn rivet]

Yeah i wiff warbreaker all the time go me, and spear lol

[late nacelle]

try the SKS build

i think u might like it

[fair tide]

be nice to try to weave the weapon swap w/ #showtooltip
/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance

just to make it one button

[late nacelle]

this is what a SKS enjoyer looks like

[modern grail]

oh sweet summer children
Make a set with your sword and board called Shield
Make a set with your 2h called Sword

#showtooltip Shield Block
/equipset [noequipped:Shields]Shield
/cast [stance:2]Defensive Stance
/cast Shield Block

#showtooltip
/equipset [equipped:Off Hand] Sword
/cast Mortal Strike

then xmog your 1h sword to an artifact 2h so no one's the wiser

[late nacelle]

also

always use toys

with sound effects

in tangent with toys

with visual effects

can bait out defensives sometimes

personal spotlight + piccolo one of my favourites so far

also glyph ur charge and intervene to have fire behind u

also...

i think

for pure dmg purposes

a 418 emerald lariat

might be better than the boots

[crude bane]

@late nacelle you have to setup for a big SKS

how you burst as it

?

[late nacelle]

wait for proc trinket -> bladestorm if u got hurricane -> rend -> ALL CDS + CS -> SKS

[tribal wedge]

Still dont understand why you want to bladestorm here

[lean burrow]

do you track weapon stat proc?

[crude bane]

big wounds i guess @tribal wedge ?

[lucid walrus]

why pick and choose? not 100% we'll be running crafted helm once we get enough catalyst charges

[tribal wedge]

I dont think wounds snapshot

[late nacelle]

to proc 15% strength from hurricane

[crude bane]

rend before CD there is no snapshot ?

[sharp meteor]

str storm

[late nacelle]

no snapshot

[crude bane]

aight ill try

[late nacelle]

all buffs applied retroactively

[tribal wedge]

Yeah but eh 15% strengh buff only occurs while you are bladstorming and since you cant cancel bladestorm with hurricane strengh bonus wont help for the sks

[late nacelle]

u have it for 6 seconds

after u end bladestorm

[tribal wedge]

Ah k

[proven maple]

Yea man. It sticks around a bit. First MS after it ends is giga

[late nacelle]

try SKS

hits way harder than MS

[proven maple]

Have gcds for both

[late nacelle]

fair enough

u wont get the giga MS tho with SKS build

[proven maple]

Unless they hard cc you out. As they probably should though

[late nacelle]

cos u wont have spear

[frank knoll]

I know a guy who had to go to rehab for WoW addiction

[fair tide]

I feel like I have too much crit for sks

not enough mastery

it feels sorta off

[mild thunder]

mastery doesnt do anything for sks

crit is better since you're playing off burst

well, crit/haste mix

[frank knoll]

uhhh

no buffs

[fair tide]

woudlnt mastery benefit the deep wounds?

[mild thunder]

no, mastery does not increase DW damage

hasnt since bfa

[fair tide]

are you running it @mild thunder ?

[mild thunder]

into locks and dks, usually

i usually get more out of spear as kitty

[fair tide]

whats your sks build @mild thunder

[mild thunder]

same one in pins that most people use

[fair tide]

the experiment?

[mild thunder]

all sks builds were experimental at the start of .0.5

they called me a madman, but look how it got picked up

[fair tide]

I respect your input 😄

[teal cedar]

1-6 in a druid/priest/frost mage/bm hunter/mm hunter match @ 2000

i never died but i couldnt help my teammates live apparently

any suggestions, felt useless even with storm?

[tribal wedge]

Doomed matchup

[mild thunder]

yea kinda just a fucked lobby

[teal cedar]

ok figured.. just take the L lol thx 🙂

[mild thunder]

best chance into the all-ranged lobbies is to be hyper aggressive and try and end quick imo

games drag out and you're fucked

[vivid pumice]

omg i had a game a few days ago that was frost mage/balance/disc/mm hunt/warlock and then me on arms

sorry not warlock, it was an evoker

it was miserable i couldn't touch anyone

spent the entire match walking aggressively at people

[mystic barn]

waddle moment

3 caster 1 melee or r 3 melee 1 caster

is turbo annoying

[flat tide]

shield block doesnt do anything for ranged does it?

[worthy fern]

I feel like that should be a frost mage 0-6 lobby

Kfc should farm mage hunter

And double hunt prob pretty solid into frost mage war

[lucid walrus]

only physical, so like hunters & their pets

[clever fern]

Guys, how to win against a bm hunter?

[sharp meteor]

hit them gooder

[vapid tartan]

Wat is sks

[bright stream]

ancient warrior proverb

I also like this one; Press the button harder.

[sharp meteor]

make sure u don't hurt wrists

they could be in shambles after sl s3-4

[high star]

i played a aff/destro/bm hunter lobby on the new map earlier

the second i left a pillar my brain was just flashing giant DANGER DANGER warnings

[severe basin]

do you swap and put a shield on as an extra defensive

[vivid pumice]

please dont bring back shield swapping

i already have too many macros

[woeful solstice]

it is done

[safe shadow]

any1 have pvp talents pls

for arms

pins dont work

[torpid roost]

What do you mean the pins don't work?

[torpid roost]

Rip and tear, until it is done (gotta get legend bro)

[grand scaffold]

ROUND 1

WIN

ROUND 2

WIN

ROUND 4

WIN

[safe shadow]

says its from last patch or something

when i try to import

[torpid roost]

Ah, it may be

[woeful solstice]

Crimson Legend*

[grand scaffold]

dang

draw

[torpid roost]

Is that the title? Oh damn it, that means they're gonna have one every season

God help us

[grand scaffold]

you have to be joking

a destro

an aff

a frost

what

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/press-f-pay-respect-coffin-burial-gif-12855021

RIP

[grand scaffold]

haha

im fucked

[woeful solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

that was me yesterday

[grand scaffold]

i might win 3/3 actually

this 1 disc priest is really bad

aha

1 win

3 rounds left

YEEEAH BOI

+2 rating with a draw

[woeful solstice]

HE SURVIVED

[grand scaffold]

hahaha

that was really stressful

[woeful solstice]

yeah dude

[grand scaffold]

frost mages are like literally insane

[woeful solstice]

wiz lobby as arms

makes me want to afk

[grand scaffold]

ide argue they are better than arcane

[jagged thistle]

any advice on gear purchase priority? 424 helm(crafted)/shoulder(tier)/waist/legs(tier)/boots(crafted)/2her 421 chest/bracers/hands 411 neck/rings/cloak/trinkets

2 more weeks to hit 4/4 pvp tier so maybe ring?

[lean burrow]

how do you choose kill target?

just whoever is out of position/out of defensives or something else?

[grand scaffold]

2 locks in this game

bad rdru this game

prob a draw

really bad rdru

[hardy wave]

How do you deal with affliction lock in shuffle?

[grand scaffold]

you dont interupt too much

use regular cc instead

[sharp meteor]

u pick what u think easier to make dead and/or reduce output by being on

starting with spec and if u notice weak link then switch it up

and then again depending on positioning and/or cd usage

[grand scaffold]

ugh

i hate when 1 healer is that much better than the other

[sharp meteor]

ya just get to sit there for 5 mins and get nothing while some fotm disc gets thrown in the dumpster

[grand scaffold]

bro this rdru was legit fussing at everybody

when he isnt using any cd's at all

no renewal

no swiftmend

[mild thunder]

those rounds must have been super quick

the overall numbers are so low

[grand scaffold]

in round 5 i 1 shotted the lock

[sharp meteor]

its whack to sit there and watch a disc hold rapture for legit

2 minutes then lose

and then

try to flame

[mild thunder]

yea looks like most games were ending in the opener or close

rip

[sharp meteor]

like bro just

have a rough idea as to usage

better to overuse than use nothing

[lean burrow]

just asking since skillcapped posted a video on best target in ss

[grand scaffold]

well

[lean burrow]

and afflocks are considered "squishy" in there with bm hunter

[grand scaffold]

if there is a lock

you focus the lock

if there are 2 locks

say aff and destro

focus the aff lock

easier to stop dmg

if there is any lock spec and a demo

focus the spec that isnt demo

theres too many combos

[sharp meteor]

lock depends on the lock

[grand scaffold]

if you give me comps i can tell you

[sharp meteor]

also skillcapped hmm

[lean burrow]

ele + afflock, spriest + afflock, spriest + ele

[grand scaffold]

ele aff

go for aff

sp aff

go aff

sp ele

prob go elemental

[lean burrow]

ty

[grand scaffold]

🙂

[grand scaffold]

any othe comps you need help with?

[lean burrow]

nah, only wizards

[grand scaffold]

ok

btw

in lock frost mage

go for the frost mage

they hit toooooooooo hard

[lean burrow]

but they got stun immunity and two frost novas

[grand scaffold]

nah any mage playing stun immunity is goofy

ice veins much better

anyways focus the frost mage

i did it vs lock destro which i usually lose vs

won with ease tbh

[lean burrow]

sorry, i mean blink gets them out of stun

[grand scaffold]

aff frost is odd

i know

but

[lean burrow]

giga annoying

[grand scaffold]

bait the blink with a charge

then stun spear

[spice hornet]

Frost mage gets exploded by arms, but a good one is very frustrating to catch

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[lean burrow]

it's just that skillcapped made a list of "best targets"

and they are questionable

[grand scaffold]

yeah

i wouldnt trust skill capped

they are goofy

they said fury dmg was low in s2 sl

the way they rank rogues is also

interesting

[lean burrow]

fury wasn't strong in s2?

[grand scaffold]

its dmg was amazing

problem was it was squishy

[lean burrow]

there wasn't tier set at the time

but i didn't play during s2

[grand scaffold]

i know

but i got 2.4 with it

[lean burrow]

no free glad for me

[grand scaffold]

🤣

i wish i was playing 3's at the time

idk 50% of the stuff skillcapped says is straight up goofy

[jagged thistle]

need an upgrade rec if you dont mind 😄 see above

[grand scaffold]

sometimes it makes sense

[grand scaffold]

this ?

[jagged thistle]

yeah

[grand scaffold]

lemme read

get your weapon

[jagged thistle]

got weapon

[grand scaffold]

what set do you have

[jagged thistle]

s

[grand scaffold]

do you have 2 set?

[jagged thistle]

turning conq gear into tier

[grand scaffold]

but do you have 2 set

[jagged thistle]

using drakebreaker 2pc

[grand scaffold]

oh

do you have arms tier tho?

[jagged thistle]

and tier conq 2p

[grand scaffold]

ok

did you spend all of your charges?

[jagged thistle]

only have 2 built up but yeah

didnt get lucky in boxes

used on shoulders/legs so far

[grand scaffold]

ok

good

[jagged thistle]

eventually gloves/chest