pvp

[slender lion]

can i have conquest and honor crit vers rings equip at the samt time?

[steel trout]

yes

[urban skiff]

Would you equip this in pvp over the conq haste ring?

[slender lion]

u have frostfire belt?

[lean burrow]

900 verse lmao

[lucid walrus]

good fucking lord

[lean burrow]

giga ring of hell

[lucid walrus]

that equip bonus is probably nerfed even though it's not especially good but i mean

the stats are real nice. might be cool having 2 crit/v rings

[mild thunder]

what fire damage do we deal tho?

[lucid walrus]

ah yeah didn't see that bit

bring back the blade enchant spell from wod

[urban skiff]

the fire damage isn't part of the stat budget. The ring is what it is

[torpid roost]

We don't, only reasonable thing that can proc it we get is the frostfire belt

[nimble jasper]

i’ve been saying that ring is prob wild on dhs

considering chaos is all types of magic

[torpid roost]

but just from stat budget alone the mythicc version may be fire (huehue, get it)

[urban skiff]

I'm about to make a 418 one unless weapon with fang sims higher for pve

[mild thunder]

the stat budget isnt that special though, is it? its just gonna give you less than an actual pvp ring

[old loom]

is it worth using 2 pc of tier instead of pvp gear for those slots

[mild thunder]

its a second crit ring ig, but thats kinda it

[urban skiff]

it's trading 3 ilvls total stats to swap haste to crit.

which is exactly what i was asking about

[mild thunder]

yea, but its not like haste is bad

[urban skiff]

true

[mild thunder]

crit = good
haste = good
both = great

[urban skiff]

is both better for bleed than unhinged spec?

[plucky sapphire]

Anyone experiencing hitching after maint today?

[mild thunder]

its literally feels > reals

[nimble jasper]

i wanna see a dh with eranog ring

[mild thunder]

there's no perfect stat mix or %breakpoints that you need

[nimble jasper]

basically its gushing wounds

[mild thunder]

if you want a smoother playstyle, haste will help with that
if you want chunky crits, crit will give you a better chance with that

if you want a mix, like most people, play a mix of both

im pretty sure mud is still playing almost entirely haste even when he's using the spear/ms build

[urban skiff]

getting pretty close to pumper ilvl

[hollow ore]

poggers xmog

[mild thunder]

423 is already huge ngl

[hollow ore]

that's pumper

[urban skiff]

my neck is mastery and I have the conq to swap it

also that's with 4set

[mild thunder]

id be 424 if i actually got a weapon from vault

[urban skiff]

got weapon from vault first week

[mild thunder]

fuck you

season 2 baby, imma get it

[urban skiff]

I believe in you

i have 1000 conq to spend

just not sure on what

[slender lion]

ring will be good then

[urban skiff]

if i equip the ring I can lose the crafted hat. The non-tier non-crafted hat is crit vers

oh wait that's what the crafted is as well

not that huge a statshift

Could make 418 lariat

lots of people seem to be going that route

[nimble jasper]

zandalari

eww

[urban skiff]

I would be kt human

but I'm not going to buy a race change and as long as I'm down at 1m gold I'm not going to buy tokens

[nimble jasper]

kt sus

[urban skiff]

kt is glorious beast

[nimble jasper]

no tauren is

[urban skiff]

tauren is steak

[nimble jasper]

me making steaks

out of dumb feral players

[urban skiff]

me too

I don't know why I keep trying to gear for arms

fury is way more fun

[nimble jasper]

fury is for monkeys

[urban skiff]

Tbh i have rocks in my head

At ilvl 423 this is the best i can do

at least with fury I can pretend to be in solo shuffle and ignore my partner

[quick ivy]

Does the rotation changes someshow when playing bleed build?

[modern grail]

some dude on reddit says take thunderclap v pets. :]

blood and thunder

[lean burrow]

r ddit

[stark agate]

Make sure to pad as much as possible so you can safely flame your team for shit dps after you lose

[torpid roost]

Reddit is a hive of cuckoldry and retardation, though that would do a shitload of damage, it's all useless pad damage

[modern grail]

says it kills pets but idk. maybe if it put up deep wounds but

[lucid walrus]

it wouldn't be a big talent tradeoff

i guess i could see it with bonkers sweeping strikes uptime rn

[torpid roost]

what is le roodot cuck rated?

[modern grail]

yeah all you take is the 2% crit and exe crit dam if not taking clap but... yeah it's def just padding

[torpid roost]

if he's like, 2500+, ignore me, great, maybe that's the meta

[modern grail]

2100, says he switched to bleed after being stuck 1800-1900

[torpid roost]

applying rend sucks but I don't see a whole lot of good coming from just blasting rend to things you aren't trying to kill

otoh, doing it to the whole team when they're bunched up could be a good bit of pressure

[quick ivy]

Someone got a nice wep tmog that fits the challange mode set

and in challange mode i mean mage tower

[urban skiff]

i forgot what the MT gear looks like

[weak wedge]

Just imagine if arms had access to thunderstruck

[nimble jasper]

thats not challenge mode

[nimble jasper]

discount cruel elite

strawberry shortcake colored t6

[shy aurora]

It doesnt look good xd

[nimble jasper]

yeah

but i just wear t3

[shy aurora]

Get t3 pala

[nimble jasper]

that shit looks dumb

[shy aurora]

No man looks awesome hah

[nimble jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-gif-18003522

this is what you look like

wearing pally t3

[shy aurora]

I just got dreadnaught head,feet,leggs waist 🥲

Got ripper tho

[nimble jasper]

head is 2nd most expensive at least

[shy aurora]

Got head for 1mil

[nimble jasper]

yeah mine was like 900k

[shy aurora]

I need shoulders i can find some wsnnabe gloves

[digital crater]

Resto + Ele + Disc + Destro + Arcane lobby

I am fucking dying

[nimble jasper]

sounds like me a month and half ago

except i wasnt playing warrior in that lobby

[urban skiff]

Mich confirmed healer

probably paladin

[shy aurora]

What do you guys think the best lobby for warriors is?

[urban skiff]

something with lots of rogues and ele shamans

[lucid walrus]

that's hard

[urban skiff]

Best to crush your dreams fast

[lucid walrus]

dk/windwalker/dh/???

[nimble jasper]

rogue is a bad lobby for war

lmao

[stark agate]

Why

[nimble jasper]

idk i severely overestimate the braincells

of low rated rogues

so maybe not

any half decent sin rogue would just

pillar on you

between kidneys

[lucid walrus]

did their hemo/shiv bug get fixed yet?

[nimble jasper]

if its a pillar on a smaller map they can just auto you through it

and maintain 100% cripple

[urban skiff]

yes

[nimble jasper]

dam didnt get nerfed tho

was a numbing bug

[shy aurora]

I hate meeting boomies

[nimble jasper]

which vs rdruids was a big healing nerf

[urban skiff]

that shit was so confusing on my rogue the first ten times it happened

couldn't figure out why i couldn't restealth

[nimble jasper]

you new?

i would troll the shit out of rm teams on outlaw in sl doing that

literally rogue cant re

[urban skiff]

nah I'm just dumb

[frank violet]

Hi all: pvp question re: arenas.

When is it appropriate to just continue on the offensive versus switch to defensive when a teammate is being focused?

Part of me thinks that I have my offensive CDs available, going on the offense could slow down their push. But if I'm in just sustain mode, helping out my teammate seems more important.

[urban skiff]

If they focus your team mate you need to figure out if that mate can handle it or not

If they can't, you need to peel, if they can, you need to continue chugging along to generate a win condition

[late nacelle]

finally

i can rest now

[urban skiff]

Peeling can take the form of slows, intervene, ccs.

Personally I always go as hard as I can whenever i can

[urban skiff]

fucking gratz. Did you do that with the 300k SKS build?

[late nacelle]

yep

[frank violet]

That's kind of what I do, but I want to not be a one-trick pony.

I want to be able to use my utility and know when to use it effectively.

[frank violet]

Damn! Nice job. I'd love your biggest tips on how to climb that high in solo

[urban skiff]

The ugly answer is to build awareness to the point where you can guess with relatively high precision whether your teammate can handle it or not. Like I said I prefer to always go hard and keep pressure up, so that's how and when I peel.

[late nacelle]

shield swapping

is the secret

[frank violet]

?!?!?!

This is a new concept for me.

New to warrior.

[late nacelle]

u can use shield block

if u have a shield equipped

its a good defensive

vs phys hits

[frank violet]

Is there a macro to swap?

[late nacelle]

yes u can

i have it in my dstance

macro

[waxen oasis]

you can swap in battle?

[urban skiff]

you can change weapons and shields in combat, yes

[urban skiff]

What's the final build look like? After having time to perfect it

[broken bronze]

What is the 300k sls build

Sks*

[urban skiff]

it's playing with a bunch of modifiers and then using Skullsplitter with tide of blood to pop bleeds for 300k crits

[urban skiff]

no thunderclap?

[sharp meteor]

Thunderclap good for bgs idk about arena.

Lot of rage to apply a weak dot.

[urban skiff]

I mean it's a meme centered around exploding those dots.

17k crits on dummy

[waxen oasis]

i thought they changed that

whoa just tried and it works

whats the macro?

[urban skiff]

Fun part about weapon swapping is that you can make macros detect your equipset and your stance. So one press buttons to do both defensive stance and sword+shield

[urban skiff]

tips on how to script burst windows?

gave up on the build because I couldn't figure out which order to do troar rend and sks

[late nacelle]

rend -> all CDS + CS -> SKS

u roar after that

or before if u can hit multiple people

[digital crater]

Don't you want to snapshot rend?

Or does that not work?

[late nacelle]

doesnt snapshot

[urban skiff]

do i stack 2x OP before so I can go into sharpen MS right after?

[tardy flame]

You don't have to, but it can be good to, yes

[late nacelle]

i generally dont bother

just pop CDs

MS

then OP

the buffed OPs are no joke

u defo want some charges for when ur popping CS

[urban skiff]

what's buffing OPs?

[late nacelle]

trying to fish for that 1 200k MS is just meme

[tribal wedge]

Strengh of arms

New talent

[tardy flame]

The 10.0.5 patch made OP pretty sick

[urban skiff]

oh

I just can't get over how bad OP feels to press

[late nacelle]

it can do allright

[urban skiff]

really bad sound

[late nacelle]

i've hit some 80k OPs i think

[tardy flame]

Ah, there's your problem! Just play with sound turned off and listen to music

[urban skiff]

and the shockwave from dreadnaught always covers up the numbers from the actual OP so no tactile feedback on how much or little damage it does

[tribal wedge]

Or set up sole weak aura to changes this

[tardy flame]

Nameplate scrolling combat text is life

[urban skiff]

Blizzard standard scrolling combat text can hook directly into nameplates. Is there finally an addon that doesn't just place the text on my UI to simulate it that it's on the nameplate?

[tardy flame]

I'm pretty sure nameplate SCT hooks to the nameplates

[urban skiff]

wild troar dot crit

[waxen oasis]

whats your macro look like?

[tardy flame]

Like, it doesn't show killing blows because the nameplate disappears when the target dies, so it can't show damage on a non-existent nameplate

But there's an option to have killing blows anchored elsewhere, which is nice. Makes them stick out a bunch too

[waxen oasis]

does shield block still work if you immediately switch back to 2h?

or the shield neeeds to be on

i see the buff still active but not sure if its blocking

[thick reef]

You need a shield to block

[mild thunder]

what

what

OP is fucking awesome

[late nacelle]

/equip one hand weapon name
/equip shield name

[quick ivy]

Does the rotation change somehow on the bleed build vs ms/spear

[lucid walrus]

other than keeping dots up, not really

[quick ivy]

What about burst? I guess we dont avatar with colossus smash

[late nacelle]

you do

[urban skiff]

being awesome and feeling awesome are two different things

[lucid walrus]

why's that?

[quick ivy]

Even tho i go warlords?

[teal cedar]

ok noob question.. what is the frost DK ice block thing, i trinketed to get instnatly put back in ice

[lucid walrus]

20% crit is never bad

[urban skiff]

there's a smarter way to make that macro via equipset and [equipped:setname]

[mild thunder]

they stack

ava + cs = 8sec of reck

[vernal palm]

Can someone explain to me why my enemies arms warriors deal 100% more dmg on their crits vs non crits on MS

but mine does like 20-30% more?

i have both OP buffs and 2x execute modifier for MS

Am i missing something? using muds talents

[lean burrow]

did you play against warlocks/hunters?

[vernal palm]

No

shaman/arms(me) vs disc/arms

[mild thunder]

can you give us more specific numbers?

i.e. what you're hitting for, vs what they're hitting for

[lean burrow]

did you use sks build in pins?

[vernal palm]

No

Im playing spear

[lean burrow]

i'm asking other guy

[vernal palm]

I was hitting 55k crits he was hitting 75k crits

[bleak quarry]

I love how the only way to get pvp gear is to actually play pvp (or have tons of gold which new players dont have) so they handicap the entire team and you auto lose lmao

[vernal palm]

he was full blue gear im semi conq and 2set lol

I just dont understand, i thought crits double the dmg you do but I guess not

im a noob

[mild thunder]

what

the fuck is this take

[vernal palm]

also u dont need tons of gold for green gear

[bleak quarry]

yeah u do

[worthy fern]

@vernal palm it’s so hard to tell without watching vod

[late nacelle]

like 5k gold

xd

[worthy fern]

You could be hitting into plate

Or defensives

[bleak quarry]

5k? one piece 20k in my server

[worthy fern]

Or his crits had cooldowns up

[mild thunder]

"reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, i have to pvp to get pvp gear, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

[late nacelle]

what server gonna migrate instantly and become rich

[mild thunder]

just honor cap while leveling my guy

[bleak quarry]

I dont ree at all, but you handicap the entire team and get mega flamed for not having any gear and you cant get gear without playing arenas or bgs so eh

[late nacelle]

they're like 500g per piece on my server

xd

[mild thunder]

you are hardcore REEing

[vernal palm]

20k? what lol

i bought items 1k per item at most

[mild thunder]

i dont even understand the complaint

[vernal palm]

maybe 1500 for chest etc

[mild thunder]

this is the best gearing since wod

[bleak quarry]

Its shit

[mild thunder]

of course you have to fucking pvp to get gear lmao

[lean burrow]

sks build good now?

[mild thunder]

where unity?

[lean burrow]

i tried on dummy and seems gud

new giga meta

[late nacelle]

its

very good

its like having an extra big button

that you didnt have before

[vernal palm]

and losing a button

u had before

xD

[teal river]

That gearing take

[mild thunder]

the Lst of L takes ive seen

[teal river]

Spending a few bgs with no gear to get full gear vs spending weeks farming PvE to be competitive at all in pvp

[mild thunder]

literally just spend 2-3 levels inm the 60-70 bracket doing bgs

and bam

11k honor

[late nacelle]

tru

every char i leveled had full honor this expac

[nimble jasper]

hold on

[late nacelle]

when hit 70

[nimble jasper]

is someone complaining about gear

of all things in df

lmao

[teal river]

Yes

It's the best it's been for pvpers

I've done one mythic this entire xpac

[teal cedar]

arenas JACKED af right now?

back to back games with people phasing out leaving me 1v3 then they poof back in next round

[vernal palm]

i did it the hard way, no bgs till 70 then bought green gear and farmed honor in 2v2

and even then it was super fast

[late nacelle]

it was weird earlier today

got into a game of solo shuff where one team always just had 2 players

[bright stream]

sir this is the warrior discord, not the DH discord

[bright stream]

crits 175% in pvp instead of 200%

[vernal palm]

Ok

but im doing like 20-30k normal hits and 40k crits

[late nacelle]

if u click ur button harder

u do more dmg

[vernal palm]

so thast not 175%

[teal river]

Well known fact, harder key press equals more damage

[nimble jasper]

also

warmode gear

[bright stream]

My name is WolfsMind, and I support this message.

[nimble jasper]

is big

only downside of warmode gear is it forces you to interact

[late nacelle]

wait

[nimble jasper]

with a community more degen

[late nacelle]

people have 3.1k rating

[nimble jasper]

than rbg mains

[late nacelle]

in solo shuff

XD

wtf

[bright stream]

it's hard to use the combat log and details to see what's happening if you're not super in tune with how the damage calculation is impacted by buffs/instances

but you can look it up if you like

[bright stream]

people rocking good specs and a lot of free time are able to climb

[vernal palm]

All i know was I had double OP buff and double execute buff

and it still hit like a wet noodle

i dont know mch more than that

[nimble jasper]

all i know is

this season

is dogshit

[late nacelle]

why

[bright stream]

nah dwag

[vernal palm]

PS: fuck fistweavers

[bright stream]

this is the best season in years

[nimble jasper]

pve meta

[bright stream]

the last season that was this good was like

[nimble jasper]

just brainlets slamming dam

[bright stream]

and this might be awild fucking take

[nimble jasper]

legion

[bright stream]

warlords season 1

[late nacelle]

legion s1

best season

full zugzug

[bright stream]

nah

[nimble jasper]

worst part about legion

[late nacelle]

shadow of colossus

[nimble jasper]

was tanks

[late nacelle]

10% hp dmg CS

[bright stream]

best season all time is season 15, but this one is very close

[nimble jasper]

anyone that queues tank cleaves

deserves a 6 mont ban

[nimble jasper]

redbuff killing spree

[bright stream]

Scabbard of Kyanos

[nimble jasper]

into

s3 turbo

[bright stream]

season 1 warlords makes me feel like this

[nimble jasper]

or the wwdk teams

using double trinket+desc ground+nimble brew in the first 60 secs

and queue sniping rsham and druid teams

[bright stream]

back before all the nerfs to DK survivability

and the stupid mobility that they gave to DK

[nimble jasper]

meleecleave

[bright stream]

you were actually just tanky

[nimble jasper]

is basically playing pve

[bright stream]

nah

RMx/Caster cleaves are actually far closer to PvE than Melee Cleaves

(Genuninely)

[nimble jasper]

mlx

big meme

unironically the worst player in mlx

is usually the healer

[late nacelle]

best trinket in the game

[bright stream]

LSD, LSD2

[nimble jasper]

mlx healers

and shitting the bed when swapped to

[bright stream]

still got mine, remember finding 2 of them, and selling one for half a mil

[nimble jasper]

name more iconic duo

[bright stream]

Healers and calling shit DPS targets in SS

[worthy fern]

draught of souls and convergence of fates >

[nimble jasper]

i dont listen to healer calls in ss

[bright stream]

Healers being 300 MMR/CR lower than the lobby, and failing over to the mildest of swaps

[nimble jasper]

unless its a real player

[bright stream]

Lobby with 2 priests 2 mages, and a ret, BOP lasts full duration during CDs.

[nimble jasper]

more someone talks in shuffle

the worse they are

[bright stream]

nah it's just who they are/what they're talking abuot/when they open their mouth

[nimble jasper]

i had curney once he didnt say anything

any round

neither did smex

[bright stream]

tho, I'm yet to see a healer that spoke that wasn't a muppet

[bright stream]

3 casters/1 melee, melee sets multiple full duration roots while the healer flails around doing nothing because they've never healed melee players before

[nimble jasper]

rdruid player

doesnt clone hunter cds

while both kicks are on cd

[bright stream]

2 casters vs 1/2 melee, melee healer sits 40 yards back and wont come close enough so you can push in to secure kills

[bright stream]

and for my last one, being an unholy DK, having garg, slappy hands, emp rune weapon, 5 stacks of necrotic, all pets out, pets buffed, blight and dots rolling, massive RP/runes and going HAM
Druid Clones the target/DH Sap/Pala Blind

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk

i like going healers who are perma max range

not helping

generally means they’re bad

[bright stream]

what I find is that the healer I see around

~2.2-2.4 are healers that are good with healing melee, or healing ranged, but not both

and it's mostly #2

[nimble jasper]

healing ranged is

way easier

any decent healer will tel you that too

[bright stream]

any ranged player will tell you it's harder to play ranged in PvP and PvE

but it's because they've never played Melee in any significant capacity

[nimble jasper]

maybe not priest in rmp

[bright stream]

lmao

[nimble jasper]

hard to get focused when his dps

can both global someone

if left unchecked

[bright stream]

do you guys remember

when ranged players had to cast spells?

[nimble jasper]

any season mlx is good

the healers are beyond boosted

0 positioning awareness

or fakecast capability

was honestly worse than bfa dhdk

[bright stream]

LOL the classic benny hill to North Africaland while Melee player sits in a CC you didn't dispel

"wHy dOnT YoU pElE mE"

[nimble jasper]

my easiest push was honestly uhh

corrupted season rps

and half the warlocks die opener

cuz cant wall in silence

or uhh

hpals in middle of map

off dr

[severe basin]

I find melee easier

I only played warlock/mage and hunter until this expac

Maybe it’s just personal preference but I find melee a lot more manageable

[narrow current]

Does the drake breaker set work in arenas and bgs? / rated stuff?

[bright stream]

yes

[bright stream]

Melee can be equally or more difficult as you climb ratings and start to queue into stronger caster players - where suddenly you lose a lot of agency in the positioning and movement game (PvP)

[narrow current]

The set bonuses aswell?

[bright stream]

In raiding, there are a significant number of geometric mechanics which heavily favor ranged classes

[vernal palm]

I dont think set bonuses from drakebreaker works in arena

[nimble jasper]

granted godcomp was extremely good at killing healers too

[bright stream]

I don't think the set bonus work

[long ridge]

ranged is hard in pve? what?

[severe basin]

Not in this raid

[nimble jasper]

this is me in 2s with fotm healer specs when super bored

[severe basin]

There’s heaps of ranged grief mechanics

[nimble jasper]

the best part is

[narrow current]

its odd because im looking at a few ranked one players and thier characters and they have like 2 pieces of the drake breaker set so im a little confused

[nimble jasper]

male tauren rdruids

triple dr warstomp

stun dr ended in 3 secs

mfw

asks why no peel

[severe basin]

I do find good casters hard to deal with tho if they can kite well I’ve got no chance

[nimble jasper]

alot of low rated casters

[severe basin]

The gear works just not the set bonus

[nimble jasper]

just mental shutdown

when trained

[severe basin]

Yeah I’ve noticed that

[bright stream]

I'm press X to Doubt on this, lemme look at some data RQ

[severe basin]

A caster that can do big dam while running away is rly dangerous but tbh I don’t find that easy to do

[nimble jasper]

just experience

from playi nh

and knowing when you can die

[severe basin]

Try and keep uptime during datheas cyclone as a caster vs melee I can literally just W and keep attacking as melee same with just about any mechanic you have to move melee have 100% uptime

[nimble jasper]

its most noticeable with mages

[severe basin]

Yeah like mages that don’t blink out of spear of bastion

Waste block and you just shatter it

Gg

[nimble jasper]

god i remember watching nolifer play

dude was a freak

20 stops

full sheep 6secs later still

also stuff like good mages wont let you purge their alter

without putting yourself in a terrible spot

[bright stream]

ranged have a 43% higher representation than they should have statistically based on the number of specs available in mythic

Source; Warcraft logs

[long ridge]

what is this logic and statistics bullshit

i have gut feeling

[severe basin]

Lol that doesn’t make them easier to play

[bright stream]

no, them being easier to play is the reason they get taken to mythic

ask anyone whos doing mythic raiding, most raid teams have a heavy weight on their 12 dps slots towards ranged, when they should only have around 5 ranged players

[long ridge]

can i just say

[bright stream]

usually its closer to 8 ranged, 4 melee, or even worse

[long ridge]

neither melee nor ranged is hard to play in pve

you're talking like 3/10 or 4/10 difficulty level

[bright stream]

nah mythic raiding is genuinely difficult, and melee is substantially harder as a general rule

[severe basin]

Then why are you using that as a statistic

[nimble jasper]

doing really good damage is the harder part of ranged

[bright stream]

because* it demonstrates that it is occurring

[long ridge]

MYTHIC raiding like competitively? like top 10 raiding guild?

[nimble jasper]

but most ranged still fail at movement

[severe basin]

Have you ever played a hard casting class

[nimble jasper]

in regards to dps

[long ridge]

or mythic 2/8 top 10000

[severe basin]

Or just zug zug melee saying it’s harder than ranged

[bright stream]

mythic progression raiding, not your shitty 1/10 guilds

[nimble jasper]

then theres warlock

[severe basin]

Like yeah a BM hunter is easier than melee

[nimble jasper]

where you just stand in things

cuz immortal

[severe basin]

But anything that hard casts gets griefed by any mechanic

Melee is so easy you have nearly 100% uptime on so many fights

[nimble jasper]

run out mechanics are worse

generally

if you lose alot of dps to moving as ranged

thats on you

[bright stream]

tell me you've never done mythic raiding without telling me you've never done mythic raiding before

[severe basin]

True I don’t play a wheelchair class in raid so ig

[copper hare]

xd

[frank knoll]

I’ve noticed unbridled ferocity proccing when I don’t have it talented lol

[severe basin]

What have you mythic raided as

A DK

Because I’m sure that’s a shit time

[bright stream]

Frost DK, Unholy DK, Arms Warrior, Fury Warrior, Frost Mage, Fire Mage, Arcane mage - edit, Prot Warrior, Blood DK, Disc Priest, and loads of others in heroic.

[long ridge]

mythic prog is less about skill than it is time. I think rated pvp >2k is harder

[severe basin]

But raiding as a sub rogue with double step and and vanish shadow strike is so easy

[copper hare]

yeah no

[severe basin]

I’m never going back to my warlock for any content

[frank knoll]

I boosted a warrior and same

[severe basin]

Exactly

[nimble jasper]

dk prob not as bad

[severe basin]

But don’t tell pve’rs this

[nimble jasper]

cuz DA

ignores alot of mechanics

[frank knoll]

PvP is more casual friendly

[bright stream]

it's more about the AMZ game

[frank knoll]

You can log on and queue for like an hour
Aren’t beholden to guilds or schedules

[copper hare]

how would you know? You havent cleared a mythic raid yet and you havent gone above 2k yet or

[nimble jasper]

2k pvp for is like

not@much

[copper hare]

I mean even comparing raiding vs pvp is like the dumbest shit ive seen in forever

[brazen rock]

^

[torpid roost]

because most melee are a liability

[frank knoll]

I don’t have to worry about being on until 2am on a random Thursday for raid prog

[torpid roost]

even if they play well

[severe basin]

I haven’t cleared a mythic raid but I’ve been in guilds that do first 4

[copper hare]

how does it make sense to compare skillcap between pvp and raiding LOL

[severe basin]

It’s the same concept it doesn’t matter

[nimble jasper]

every dh player i’ve known

got 2.1 in pvp

their first try

[severe basin]

If I wanted to get CE I would

[bright stream]

we're comparing the melee vs ranged which is harder, it just devolved into the pve space because they didn't know how to talk about it in PvP

[frank knoll]

People can get 2k in PvP while being bad

[torpid roost]

melee need some kind of PVE resilience, lol

[bright stream]

yep, because it's harder to avoid damage and maintain uptime. :/

[nimble jasper]

also most low rated pvpers

cant do a damage rotation even

[torpid roost]

that or something to amp uptime

that or my alt raid

like, it infuriates me

[bright stream]

if you were capable of CE you'd be higher rated in PvP

[torpid roost]

I do low damage - why? BECAUSE YOU STACK LETHAL SHIT IN THE MELEE GOD DAMN IT

[severe basin]

I’ve been pvp’ing for 4 weeks bro

And I got to 1800

[torpid roost]

if I'm off-target 20% of the fight my damage ain't exactly gonna be record breaking

[severe basin]

You can check my check pvp to validate that

[copper hare]

There is people who suck in pve and are r1 in pvp or who are 1.5k in pvp but raid in a world 5 guild. It all depends on what you want to focus on and how do you wanna spend your time in this game.

[severe basin]

Notfatdeath - frostmourne

[torpid roost]

yeah, but that's a priority issue

[copper hare]

saying "xy rating is harder than "this" mythic raid is like the dumbest shit ive read ever

[bright stream]

I think there's a lot of overlap between them

[severe basin]

And i parse 90+ in raid

[torpid roost]

if you have the ability to get r1, you can PVE competently, if you're in a world first raiding guild, you can PVP

[severe basin]

Consistently

[high sparrow]

exactly

[bright stream]

you're not doing mythic prog so the number literally means nothing

[high sparrow]

theyre very different skill wise, both hard in their own way

[severe basin]

Listen to you lol

[nimble jasper]

ngl i got my first warrior 2k

while still reading my spellbook

on what half my abilities did

[high sparrow]

getting cutting edge 7 months into a tier isnt impressive, same way getting a 2.4k glad in shadowlands season 2 is also irrelevant

[torpid roost]

most don't give a shit about LFR/Norm/Heroic parses

maybe heroic

[severe basin]

What’s your rating even wolfsmind because you whinge in the DK discord about how your class is holding you back

[bright stream]

being in the top 10% of people clearing normal raids, is worse than being in the top 50% of mythic raids for example

[severe basin]

I just gave you my check pvp

[bright stream]

2400 on both the DK and Warrior

[severe basin]

Is that in solo shuffle

[copper hare]

I know people who are one of the best at their spec in pve and always parse 99/100 and still only hardstuck at 1.8 in pvp because they #1 never play it and #2 not give a single fuck

[torpid roost]

what I mean by "it's a priority issue"

[bright stream]

you tell me, there's like 12 people in 3s at 2400

[high sparrow]

and the opposite also applys

[torpid roost]

they don't care so they're wanking off

[copper hare]

yes of course

[high sparrow]

i was watching pikaboo do a +18 a couple weeks ago and guy was dead every 9 business seconds

[bright stream]

so like, every 13 seconds?

[severe basin]

Imagine thinking people aren’t capable of learning anything they want

It’s actually baffling me how close minded you are

[copper hare]

to be fair, melee in DF dungeons specially if you don't know the dungeons before is hard for some people

[bright stream]

I didn't say you couldn't get better, I said you're not capable of CE right now, and that's true

[copper hare]

pretty much anything in melee oneshots these days

[severe basin]

That’s just incorrect

[tribal wedge]

CE?

[torpid roost]

I detect actual anal anguish bubbling up in this channel

[bright stream]

its a PvE achievement for killing the end boss on mythic

[high sparrow]

was court of stars

dunno if its particularly hard or not

[torpid roost]

well he's capable, you can just like, buy CE

[severe basin]

Its completely fried that you’re so confident saying that when we haven’t played together

[late nacelle]

guys

Pve is for noobs

[long ridge]

are we still arguing about pve

[bright stream]

the way you present yourself tells me all I need to know about how you interact with the process of learning and getting better

[torpid roost]

I'm not going to tell you you can or cannot, but if you're bragging on normal parses as evidence you can kill myth raszy, best of luck friend

[severe basin]

Not at all

Literally constantly trying to improve 😂😂 wtf are you on about

[torpid roost]

well you have kinda come in this channel and just like, slinging shit

[severe basin]

I literally send vods to flark and watch my own gameplay

And I study Warcraft logs

If anyone’s not keen on getting better it’s you, you just whinge about how DK is bad

[late nacelle]

new pasta inc?

[torpid roost]

none of that justifies being an arrogant cunt to people, even if you have the #1 parse on mythic raszageth, just... No.

[severe basin]

I said heroic

Not normal

[late nacelle]

heroic logs are also 100% useless

[bright stream]

there's no distinction between them

[severe basin]

Whatever doesn’t matter

[bright stream]

they're both irrelevant

[torpid roost]

heroic is normal with bigger numbers

[severe basin]

How are they completely irrelevant tho

[torpid roost]

mythic gets exclusive mechanics that kinda fuck over uptime and output

[copper hare]

mythic is heroic with bigger numbers aswell

at least now in DF

[severe basin]

They can at least give you some idea on how you’re playing

[torpid roost]

mythic has actual extra mechanics

[nimble jasper]

sometimes

[late nacelle]

feast your eyes

[torpid roost]

yeah, they prove you can put damage out

[copper hare]

nah, this content is pretty easy

[nimble jasper]

only the later bosses

[copper hare]

basically no mechanics

just numbers

[torpid roost]

easy mechanics are not no mechanics

[bright stream]

that Ursoc Parse

[severe basin]

Exactly

[bright stream]

cheffs kiss

[nimble jasper]

tho imo any dh/dk/warrior can get 2400 glad first season that raids at a decent level

just from knowing how to press dps buttons

[bright stream]

LFG boss used to be the tricky part

[nimble jasper]

yeah

I’ve known a few dhs who got 2.7

their first season

[copper hare]

I know people that never did pvp before and got glad in their first season because they played broken specs/comps

xd

[torpid roost]

whats broken for warrior

[copper hare]

double warlock greetings

[torpid roost]

I want glad

[bright stream]

just to come back to this - I mentioned in the discord that DK was feeling kinda rough/low agency at times after the nerf. Since then I've played a lot of games, played several builds, and seem to have found one that's working quite well.
I do often complain about people that don't know how to play with DK though, that's mechanical, not balance. People don't get the class - it's quite different to many others.

[nimble jasper]

uhh

sinful season warrior

prob most boosted shit

[torpid roost]

didn't play for like, the entirety of the past 2 expansions

[bright stream]

basically every seasons boosted - that's just the game really

[severe basin]

When was that

[nimble jasper]

s1 sl

[bright stream]

you're either perma mid tier shit class like enhance, or you swap between a couple of them and play whats strong

[torpid roost]

condemn build or something I presume?

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[torpid roost]

I am a warrior, I have been since classic

[bright stream]

yeah, unhinged spear was good before that too

[nimble jasper]

spammable exe charge

[torpid roost]

**except in cata I did actually mainswitch to rogue

[high sparrow]

idk man

i find it hard to believe anything was more retard friendly than bfa s4 destro warlock

in recent times at least

[torpid roost]

shadowbolt

[nimble jasper]

idk that was real bad too

[torpid roost]

shadowbolt

glad

[bright stream]

DH is probably the best candidate class basically autopilots

[copper hare]

frost destru SL s3

[severe basin]

Destro warlock is the beginner warlock spec it’s never that hard

[nimble jasper]

i knew multiple guys who sold 2.1 boosts in sl when gear was big from it

only thing most of them said

is they refused to boost mages

cuz too much tilt

[bright stream]

XD

caster egos man

[nimble jasper]

mostly cuz low xp mages

[copper hare]

I still don't know how they didn't nerf 0.6 cast time chaos bolt

[nimble jasper]

are useless

[copper hare]

literally doing 50% of someones hp

[torpid roost]

I can't actually see your parses, dan... hmm

[high sparrow]

i didnt play Sl s2-s4 but thats actually a fair point

double caster has at times been just as idiotic as double melee

[severe basin]

Notfatstab - frostmourne

@torpid roost

[torpid roost]

oh, you're a rogue, not DK

[severe basin]

Yea

[high sparrow]

but im mentally scarred by all the 1.4k destro warlocks that played double destro to a 2.4k glad in bfa s4

[severe basin]

My DK and warrior are pvp alts

[nimble jasper]

played rogue a bit of corrupted

so saw less

cuz they were all too scared to play haste

[severe basin]

That’s fried

[nimble jasper]

love winning vs demo sp in opener

cuz he just mental booms when stunned and silenced

in bomb so he cant gate

only time that comp sucked is when you played dhdk

and dh actually was manarift

[nimble jasper]

void ritual lock

i had to play 10 games as rmp cuz my spriest ditched to play mhw

[bright stream]

yep seen, so played casually on/off since BFA, trying to get into mythic raiding/casual pvp on the side? (Not shit talking, genuine question)

[drifting jacinth]

I base my glad chances off of whether or not Asmon can get it

[severe basin]

Never played wow seriously until 4 weeks ago

And I can parse 90+ and I got 1800 in pvp

So to answer ur question yes I think I’m capable of CE

[torpid roost]

that's good progress, but you're wildly underestimating M-Rasz

[severe basin]

True

Actually

[torpid roost]

there's a reason the best nerds on the planet spent a week bashing their fucking head against her

[severe basin]

That does look hard but you have all season

[torpid roost]

and they lit millions of gold on fire seeking every possible advantage

[severe basin]

I’m probs gonna apply for guilds next season I’m just playing with my friends atm

[torpid roost]

oh, get it eventually, like, before s2? Yeah sure dude

she's already been nerfed

and your gear/guild's gear will improve

[severe basin]

Yeah I’ve seen that

[late nacelle]

any brainless monkey can get CE

stop acting like its some huge feat lol

[severe basin]

I’m not

[copper hare]

yeah but any brainless can also get 2.4 in arena

so what's the point

[late nacelle]

3k rating

[torpid roost]

no accomplishments are meaningful

[late nacelle]

or dog

[severe basin]

3k rating is hard

[torpid roost]

3300 or you're a shitcan

ratinglet

[severe basin]

Everyone at 3k rn is a literal nerd

[copper hare]

imagine not having 3.8k xp

[nimble jasper]

god remembering that shit was funny

some lock teams would play 0 corruption

after dying through wall ironbark from 100%

[hot solstice]

imagine not quinn 2s into less than 3 assa comps in a row

[sharp meteor]

a few weeks ago 2100 3s was like top 600 or something which was equal to 3100 in unchained

[nimble jasper]

due to spites

[torpid roost]

IMAGINE BEING UNDER 3307 RATING LMFAO

[severe basin]

Fun

[torpid roost]

WHY EVEN QUEUE

[nimble jasper]

had a lock mald in my dms cuz his 60 stack spite ass

died to combust vendetta

through double wall

[late nacelle]

UR NOT 4K RATING? U SPEAK TO ME? LITERALLY SHAKING RN

[hot solstice]

why not 3 dh comps in a row?

[bright stream]

in a cutting edge capable guild you would* be the 12th or 13th DPS at best based on;

[severe basin]

Not as fun

[hot solstice]

so how many of u r 2400 rn ss?

[nimble jasper]

i got 21 before xmas

and realized this bracket

is for mongs

[copper hare]

like half of the player base I guess

shuffle is inflated af

[severe basin]

Explain what I’m looking at

[bright stream]

you're taking a very high amount of avoidable damage, your %ile damage on kill on an early mythic boss is poor/bad - worth noting your guild isn't that good.

[hot solstice]

from what I see 2400 on eu have only 370 arms....2454 is 210th place though

[severe basin]

Yeah because that kill was a fucking mess

Someone in melee kept standing in the middle with marks

[bright stream]

get yourself to the bottom of damage taken, apply to a better guild, aim for a 70%ile parse.

[severe basin]

Then someone destroyed the melee pillar

[nimble jasper]

rogue is uhh

real good in pvp rn

so idk why you’d need a diff class

[torpid roost]

in better guilds that doesn't happen, but, as a rogue you should be exquisitely equipped to NOT have that effect you

8y melee range

feint, cloak

[severe basin]

I was cloaking every mark

[nimble jasper]

you can still get griefed by marks

feint doesnt do shit for them

[severe basin]

But I got more than every 2 mins

[torpid roost]

with a big enough shithead on your team yes

[severe basin]

Was fucken cooked

Same as early lava ppl cleared to early and I had to run ages

Heaps of annoying shit but first time we did it as a guild so next time better I think

[severe basin]

Rogue in pvp requires thinking

I just like to W at ppl

[nimble jasper]

not assa

[bright stream]

not really

[torpid roost]

assa is a mongo class until like, 2200

[bright stream]

Rogue has had too many tools for a long time, very little decision depth

[nimble jasper]

also reminds me on council this week

[torpid roost]

then you have to start thinking about peels and shit, but, so does everyhone

[severe basin]

I prefer sub

[nimble jasper]

i go out of melee to channel torch

as marks go out

someone still runs on me

[torpid roost]

far more interesting spec but you have to like

be conscious

[severe basin]

Idk I prob prefer it because I know what every ability does

[torpid roost]

assassination you just PVE into someone's asshole while blinding a healer

sap blind sap kidneybomb gouge if they approach

[severe basin]

Did 2 or 3 solo shuffle games and got stepped on as sin and tilted so kept playing dk and war

[copper hare]

you already overthinking

just kidney on cd and win

gg

[torpid roost]

naaaaaah

rogues do take damage outside of CDs

[copper hare]

triple dr kidney? doesnt matter cuz bugged death mark

gg

[torpid roost]

so you can't go complete mongo

[severe basin]

Sap into blind into sap into kidney into gouge

[torpid roost]

usually kidney kill target

[severe basin]

Into garrotte silence

[torpid roost]

one for pressure but 2 for peels

[severe basin]

Yeah I dunno I like sub better coz lots of cheaps in dance

I think sub got easier this expansion ins pvp and pve ppl say in the discord but it’s my first season playing it so idk

Has less buttons than assa

[torpid roost]

I played sub in cata on ST fights where I could be behind the target

was pretty complex but the complexity was rewarding

shit's kinda retarded nowadays

[severe basin]

It’s not like that anymore

Yeah

[torpid roost]

It's entirely different

[severe basin]

That sounds fried as hell tbh

[torpid roost]

like the whole kit got reworked to edgy shadowboi f*****try

[severe basin]

Yea all magic damage

Ninja type shit

Weird aye

[torpid roost]

rogues used to be rogues

now they're a child's selection of halloween costumes

[severe basin]

I kinda like it tho just rp as Naruto or something

[severe basin]

Hahahaha true actually

[torpid roost]

I'M A PIRATE

I'M A NINJA BUT A MAGIC ONE

oh my christ shut up

[severe basin]

When did combat become outlaw

[torpid roost]

uhhhhh..... legion?

[nimble jasper]

legion outlaw used to have blind cd reduced

by restless blades

also bte being a short cd ranged stun

that was un dodgeable

[long ridge]

what is best healer for spriest+arms

and what is stormbolt target everytime, healer? or it changes?

[late nacelle]

use it when it makes sense

xd

[long ridge]

noce thamls

[thorn herald]

What's the cooldown on the spriest stun

[long ridge]

NICE THANKS

[thorn herald]

45 or a minute

[long ridge]

no idea... spriest has a stun?

[thorn herald]

Lol

It's 45

Time your guys stuns at the same time

[long ridge]

so like

he stuns dps and i stun healer

[late nacelle]

if both of u stun same time

[thorn herald]

Yeah

Make it s 3v1

[late nacelle]

it will cause a negative feedback loop and dc the opponents

[long ridge]

or he stuns healer easier

?

[thorn herald]

Have him stun healer since he has a longer stun range

You have to waddle

Depending on your healer you could all stun out at the same time

[long ridge]

we got a resto right now

sorry resto shaman*

[flat dome]

enemy holy pally just double bopped lol

[modern grail]

switching to troar feels very ass at first. i feel like i have 0 lock down. same devoker shit on me 2 SS in a row

[sharp meteor]

would

spear have changed that

considering they can just fly out of it

[modern grail]

maybe not, but if I can't stick to him at least i'd be able to swap and zug, but not having spear just feels noticeable

[drifting jacinth]

ping makes spear use deceiving

[sharp meteor]

like spear is good especially if teammate benefits from it both offensively and defensively but like

if stuff rips it off gotta function without it

feels legit troll into dks

and okay-good warlocks

[soft zodiac]

Anyone else not get their 2nd catalyst charge??

[late nacelle]

i got

[sharp meteor]

Got mine just fine.

[soft zodiac]

ffs

turned in quest, still have 1 from last week

[late nacelle]

its only visual

[drifting jacinth]

bro this catalyst shit tarded

[late nacelle]

@soft zodiac u can still upgrade

it says 1

but u have 2

[drifting jacinth]

I missed s3/4 50 charges

but blizz had to be anti-convenience

[soft zodiac]

Papa bless ty

[mild thunder]

10.1 i want Dragonmaster's Torment: Avatar causes you to cast a Thunderous Roar, and Thunderous Roar procs Avatar for 8 secondsa

[drifting jacinth]

how bout change it back to Dragon roar

[mild thunder]

that too

4x crit dam

[broken bronze]

can anyone kindly share a weapon swap Shield Block macro ?

and if possible weapon swap back into 2H on battle stance

[mild thunder]

no

you dont need it

[indigo barn]

Don't forget the minor knockback

[stark agate]

Is turning my crit/mastery pve belt into this worth it for pvp?

[flat dome]

No

[sour canopy]

Yo how do you survive as a warrior? Most other classes just seem disgusting compared to warrior?

[plucky wasp]

if I already have a 418 crafted weapon is it still worth it to go for a weapon for my first conquest item? I'm Arms

[stark agate]

I'd just get the 421 drakebreaker weapon

[mild thunder]

just buy the pvp belt

[flat dome]

Honestly, do more damage than them lol

[sour canopy]

So stupid

[flat dome]

Good offense is good defense

[sour canopy]

I just feel like so many classes fuck you up and there's not much you can do half the time

I'm probably just bad though

[grand scaffold]

if you play uproar with thunderour roar

do you press roar on cd

or with avatar

[sour canopy]

I do not play Troar, I was under the impression avatar/spear was the better build

[grand scaffold]

i like bleed ngl

[sour canopy]

Got an export for that? Also got a general rotation or tips for the bleed build? Not super familiar with it

[mild thunder]

just dont play uproar

[mild thunder]

[flat dome]

I use with avatar then on cd

[grand scaffold]

thought so

[thick reef]

Step 1: Turn opponent into a bleeding tampon
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

[grand scaffold]

is the bleed build in pins updated?

[flat dome]

I like uproar cause then Troar lines up with Badge each time

[grand scaffold]

i like roar because you cant stop the dmg

[thick reef]

But then it doesn't line up with Avatar

[mild thunder]

updated for what?

[grand scaffold]

idk just the talents and stuff

actually i missworded the question

what can i remove for fbv

[mild thunder]

i wouldnt remove anything

nothing there is really worth losing for FbV

[grand scaffold]

oh

does fbv not do enough the the bleed build?

what about if i remove unhinged

[mild thunder]

it's never a good pick

removing unhinged for FbV is pretty troll

FbV heals for like ~200k/game if you're lucky

only worth taking if you have nowhere else to put your points

[flat dome]

Lol, some ret pally was bitching about arms healing

[mild thunder]

forum dweller

[modern grail]

S tier insult

[flat dome]

Then be proceeded to bitch, telling me to stop swapping targetss

[mild thunder]

oh no, target-swapping

you fool

[grand scaffold]

is it worth dropping 1 bloodborne for strength or arms

or drop unhinged for that

[mild thunder]

the build already has improved ss, if you want SoA just swap it?

[grand scaffold]

maybe i copied the wrong one

brb

so with the bleeds fatality < unhinged?

[mild thunder]

with anything fatality < unhinged

fatality is shit, only reason the ms build takes it is because it's less shit than other picks

[grand scaffold]

do you think ms build is still better?

heard that r1 dh guy complaining about troar in solo shuffle

[mild thunder]

care factor = zero

[grand scaffold]

lmao

[mild thunder]

there really isnt a better build

[thick reef]

Yeah, fuck DH players

[mild thunder]

its situational

[grand scaffold]

this lobby

which one should i run

[mild thunder]

play around with them, see what works into diff comps, have fun

id be running spear into most of those games personally

[grand scaffold]

ok

bleed build feels so good

troar @2 dmg

feels pretty great

[bright stream]

what rating u playin at atm?

(no shade just curious)

[mild thunder]

post cr 🤓

[lucid walrus]

dude post xp bro post xp 🤓

[mild thunder]

here's my armory guys, s2 SL glad hehe not bragging tho hehe 🤓

[grand scaffold]

2300

sadly not 2400 anymore

got into 2 bad games where i got stomped by a ret

and another where i was stomped by a dk

went 1-5 each game

[lucid walrus]

clap & sks feels really fun