They don’t deserve their position in the balance 😂
#pvp
wooden grove
mild thunder
there's just no reason to play it
wooden grove
Nerf unholy back into a PvE spec
quick carbon
frost cleaves can still work
severe basin
in very very specific match ups
quick carbon
unholy is the historic pvp spec for dks tho
severe basin
otherwise its a dumpster
quick carbon
like in recent years frost has been just as good as unholy
severe basin
it has been both
quick carbon
But historically unholys been preferred
wooden grove
🤮
mild thunder
But historically unholys been preferred
as long as unholy is a pet spec, it shouldnt be the preferred spec for pvp
severe basin
then buff death strike for frost DKs
green wyvern
fuck unholy
severe basin
so they dont get literally 1 shot
green wyvern
frost is more fun
severe basin
i fuckin love frost and i'd love to play that shit
green wyvern
big dam obliterates
severe basin
but it sucks
wooden grove
Tbh the biggest downside for frost is that everyone has disarms
green wyvern
buff obliterate
mild thunder
you can play it
quick carbon
I don’t get the appeal of frost dk it’s just blue arms warrior
mild thunder
stop obsessing over fotm
green wyvern
I don’t get the appeal of frost dk it’s just blue arms warrior
thats why we like it
big dam
severe basin
even flark isnt that good at it
quick carbon
arms warrior does bigger dam
severe basin
he just tries to 1 shot healers
wooden grove
I don’t get the appeal of frost dk it’s just blue arms warrior
Arms warrior + wheelchair 😂
topaz tulip
At what point does your rating actually mean you're good?
severe basin
3k
topaz tulip
or iI guess decent
mild thunder
3k
topaz tulip
lmao
quick carbon
man fuck that bro
Like stop caring about
What other people think of ur cr
Who cares
Go have fun
wooden grove
Flark is a garbage can compared to my boy Waffles
mild thunder
i think last night
quick carbon
like honestly ppl egoing over cr is so fucking cringe
mild thunder
showed that xp means shit
severe basin
waffles has a big dicko tho
mild thunder
if you're a retard, you're a retard
quick carbon
like go get some fucking pussy
muted surge
@severe basin what’s your rating?
severe basin
1500
mild thunder
like go get some fucking pussy
post armory
severe basin
mmr 1200
muted surge
I see
topaz tulip
if you're a retard, you're a retard
What happened last night?
mild thunder
some deranged ex-glad trying to swing his s2 SL glad around
severe basin
bro he was a pro ragnaros chad
mild thunder
while also saying some of the most retarded shit around
severe basin
he was elite s4
wooden grove
some deranged ex-glad trying to swing his s2 SL glad around
Lmao s2 glad was just the people who stayed to play that garbage season
severe basin
of ur warlock
mild thunder
hey guys, what stat prio for arms? 🤡
topaz tulip
Also, not really asking because I give a shit what people think of my rating. Just a general sense of placement? Easy in some games. Gold is a break point. Plat means you know some shit. But I don't get the numbers in wow.
mild thunder
thats not the answer i wanted
severe basin
how can i get better at warrior
mild thunder
now post cr
muted surge
Press ip
severe basin
doesnt work
wooden grove
1400 is “average”, 1600 have all their abilities key bound, 1800 knows how to use them, 2100 is good enough to think they’re good, 2400 is playing chess while you play checkers, above 2400 they are playing a different game than you are
severe basin
1400 is “average”, 1600 have all their abilities key bound, 1800 knows how to us...
where r u
1400 like me
im guessing
mild thunder
1400 is “average”, 1600 have all their abilities key bound, 1800 knows how to us...
this 100% does not apply to shuffle
green wyvern
I mean
turbid ember
I'm in ELO hell, I'm not bad
green wyvern
mmr doesnt mean anything
mild thunder
because i dont know how to use my keybinds and somehow im 2550
green wyvern
your ladder placement is important
wooden grove
this 100% does not apply to shuffle
I feel like SS is just spot the worst player in the lobby and nuke them for 6 rounds
turbid ember
True
mild thunder
thats why they focus me 
turbid ember
It's nice not being the easy kill target call every game now
wooden grove
Remember when people thought SS would make more people pvp? Naw just made less people sit in LFG looking for btags
muted surge
I feel like SS is just spot the worst player in the lobby and nuke them for 6 ro...
Funny how I don’t get targeted but still lose :<
severe basin
Remember when people thought SS would make more people pvp? Naw just made less p...
it did make more ppl pvp
wooden grove
it did make more ppl pvp
I don’t think the overall number of pvp activity went up at a higher rate than overall player base
I don’t have numbers or statistics
topaz tulip
1400 is “average”, 1600 have all their abilities key bound, 1800 knows how to us...
So basically, make it to 1800 and you can honestly call yourself a decent xclass, make it to 2100 and avoid an ego and people will like you
wooden grove
So basically, make it to 1800 and you can honestly call yourself a decent xclass...
Yeah essentially
severe basin
just be hard stuck at 1600 and talk shit
its more fun
dont spend the time to get better
just keep talking shit
wooden grove
I’ve got a 2300 xp in my guild that has the biggest ego ever it’s ridiculous and he wonders why no one will queue with him to push higher
feral heath
Rather be targeted then have some stupid hunter who can't press Turtle
topaz tulip
Remember when people thought SS would make more people pvp? Naw just made less p...
I mean was hard for a lot of people to find a duo/triple. Definitely easier to do solo and be mad at it
mild thunder
I’ve got a 2300 xp in my guild that has the biggest ego ever it’s ridiculous and...
he sounds fun
amber harness
smart to macro IP into MS?
severe basin
smart to macro IP into MS?
yeah do it
what could go wrong bro
i think its a great idea
topaz tulip
just be hard stuck at 1600 and talk shit
I am, I don't like it. I capped at 1500 and fell back to 1k. Now I've gotten to 1693 and i"m back at 1600. I can do better.
feral heath
I always link my 2k 5s achiv from 09 when people ask link exp
mild thunder
I am, I don't like it. I capped at 1500 and fell back to 1k. Now I've gotten to ...
in shuffle?
topaz tulip
si senor
mild thunder
imo one of the biggest things you can start doing at lower ratings that will set you apart is cross-cc
no one does it
amber harness
what could go wrong bro
not sure if youre sarcastic or not
ofc you could miss out on a MS global, but I guess fairly unlikely with the huge amount of rage you have in DF?
mild thunder
but it'll win you plenty of games
severe basin
imo one of the biggest things you can start doing at lower ratings that will set...
whats cross cc
topaz tulip
but it'll win you plenty of games
I do it i'm just bad at it. Because Idk how to use my keybindings 
muted surge
whats cross cc
Asking the questions others are afraid to ask
warm portal
Literally just crash into people and do big fucking dam and you'll climb 1500+ no problem
severe basin
im not afraid
mild thunder
if you legit wanna learn, post some gameplay in the review channel and get kargish to review with you
severe basin
im hard stuck 1600
muted surge
Yes that’s why I said others are
severe basin
whats cross cc
topaz tulip
Literally just crash into people and do big fucking dam and you'll climb 1500+ n...
Yeah that was true til I started seeing semi decent locks every match
muted surge
Literally just crash into people and do big fucking dam and you'll climb 1500+ n...
Every second game on 1500 there’s some ex glad or current glad :<
agile aspen
hpal in my ss had 342k hp
mild thunder
Every second game on 1500 there’s some ex glad or current glad :<
yea i dont think there really is a 1200-1800 bracket
its just glads/2k players/r1s or whatever that are just grinding alts
and then very few people that are actually at that rating because they deserve it
muted surge
Yes, like you say just cross cc
muted surge
But some are just actually doing it and healers can’t los
trail hamlet
just pumps
muted surge
So they stomp 6:0
severe basin
Why did I play a game yesterday with no healers and 2 prot paladins?
how fun are they
they stop at 1500
agile aspen
because arms warrior tax
mild thunder
So they stomp 6:0
going 6-0 as arms before the buffs felt so giga
severe basin
i usually go 5-1 in those lobbies
topaz tulip
Every second game on 1500 there’s some ex glad or current glad :<
I mean that's the kind of thing that happens when not enough people play pvp. You just end up with people who look like gods to the bottom/new people sitting in the middle ranks.
muted surge
Yes, and it’s demotivating af
turbid ember
I didn't know you could have a comp of something other than 2x DPS and heals
severe basin
I didn't know you could have a comp of something other than 2x DPS and heals
u can
i watched today
pshero streaming
and he had a 2.7k brewmaster on his team as a DPS
mild thunder
I didn't know you could have a comp of something other than 2x DPS and heals
only if blizz really hates you
i had a brewmaster in one of my lobbies at like 1k rating
severe basin
and the brewmaster went 5-1
mild thunder
theay were dogshit
topaz tulip
Yes, and it’s demotivating af
I've learned that it's actually the best way to learn. Just get dumped on by people better than you and if you can get through it you learn to stop dying, and then to start helping.
By the time you're done, you're functioning close to/at the level of your abusers
turbid ember
In theory sure
topaz tulip
Why did I play a game yesterday with no healers and 2 prot paladins?
Because tanks can q in place of healers for some ungodly reason
real shuttle
By the time you're done, you're functioning close to/at the level of your abuser...
it will be some long abuse hours
severe basin
Because tanks can q in place of healers for some ungodly reason
its fun
the trick to those lobbies
is get in on the action first
or your dead
press every single defensive and cooldown you have
all at once
ez
topaz tulip
it will be some long abuse hours
It is. But then, it's longer to grind from knowing nothing about the game to making gladiator. You wouldn't do it in a season. Maybe not even an expansion.
topaz tulip
all at once
I save my burst for people like you
real shuttle
It is. But then, it's longer to grind from knowing nothing about the game to mak...
True, but it limits player engagement. You either hard commit or you cant participate because of the grind it takes for you to enjoy the game since you aren't playing with people of your skill.
lavish heron
honestly never been a fan of brew
severe basin
I save my burst for people like you <:keks:936231610850897992>
ive gone 5-1 in both tank lobbies ive been in
so idk ill keep doing that
mild thunder
okay boys, ive finally got my goal for solo shuffle this season - be the highest rated oce arms warrior
severe basin
okay boys, ive finally got my goal for solo shuffle this season - be the highest...
kap
i already am
link armory
lavish heron
i just get to the rank so i can get pretties
mild thunder
im 3rd highest oce arms atm
lavish heron
then i move onto next char
mild thunder
versed the other 2 tonight and we were pretty equal
mild thunder
giga
mild thunder
biggest brain
severe basin
how did you gain 33 rating going 3-3
severe basin
nice
topaz tulip
True, but it limits player engagement. You either hard commit or you cant partic...
I don't disagree with you. A lot of people, especially those new to pvp in general can't take it. The side effects are exactly what we see now, which is only worse because of how long it took to make shuffle in the first place. But this is a problem only time can fix, and people will be spamming more pvp to help the balance actually exist.
silver karma
u guys run bleed build?
severe basin
they should make double dps 2s solo que
rated
that would be skits shit and instant ques
grand scaffold
u guys run bleed build?
nah
topaz tulip
okay boys, ive finally got my goal for solo shuffle this season - be the highest...
How is oce compared to na/eu?
real shuttle
I don't disagree with you. A lot of people, especially those new to pvp in gener...
Doubt it will be fixed by time, since someone reaching glad on another class has enourmous experience when rolling a new character vs someone just starting pvp and blizz can't punish that by taking that into account during queue because it would make the climb from 0 for those people ridiculous (facing only glads as well). Dunno what they can do but i doubt time will fix it
topaz tulip
we just get cucked on ping
In hawaii on na servers so I get it lol
mild thunder
australia is beautiful until its summer and you remember you live in australia with no aircon
turbid ember
Australia is mid
severe basin
ur mid
turbid ember
True
digital crater
I'm struggling hard as someone who started this season with winning more than i'm losing but just not having the time to spam enough games to climb
because queues take 20mins
turbid ember
Boooo
mild thunder
actually, north and south dont really exist 🤓
digital crater
i cant sit in queue 6 hours of the day
feral heath
also check pins for builds
I can't import the strings from the pins pls teach the olds
severe basin
I'm struggling hard as someone who started this season with winning more than i'...
quit job
play wow
like the rest of us
topaz tulip
Doubt it will be fixed by time, since someone reaching glad on another class has...
That part is an easy fix. Stop making the glad/elite armor class specific. Add a different reward for doing it per class and you can give people something meaningful for making rank. Knowing I have to do this stupid ass grind for my main, and then again on a class I really don't give a shit about compared to it is more toxic in my mind.
grand scaffold
I can't import the strings from the pins pls teach the olds
i posted a screenshot did you see it?
mild thunder
That part is an easy fix. Stop making the glad/elite armor class specific. Add a...
bad take
turbid ember
Until the Earth's polarity flips again then Aus will be north
mild thunder
it should 100% be class specific
severe basin
That part is an easy fix. Stop making the glad/elite armor class specific. Add a...
no
mild thunder
i shouldnt be able to be an 1800 warrior that logs over to a spec ive never played before and pretends to flex from 4 seasons ago
feral heath
Yes but there are more builds in the pins, no?
mild thunder
armor sets should also be 2100 tbh
elfin surge
severe basin
armor sets should also be 2100 tbh
cringe
late nacelle
We'll be flipping around between 2000-2300 in 1 months time still
mild thunder
late nacelle
cheers to the grind
topaz tulip
i live in australia with spiders and dropbears
I live in hawaii with roaches infesting every building, no spiders or snakes to eat them, and flies invading your house every time you open the door because this island is too crowded with people and their trash
One bit me on the dick while I was taking a dump. I've never been so violated.
mild thunder
cringe
i dont want this to sound assholish, but 1800 just isnt enough of a flex... by end of season, anyone that wants the set has it
severe basin
i dont want this to sound assholish, but 1800 just isnt enough of a flex... by e...
good
severe basin
dont cater to the 1%
mild thunder
2100 isnt 1%
elfin surge
i live in australia with spiders and dropbears
you ruin my ms in shuffles
severe basin
people will just quit
digital crater
I think that'd butcher player engagement tbh
severe basin
2100 isnt 1%
figure of speach
digital crater
2100-2200 just isn't attainable for most people
severe basin
dont cater to the minority
digital crater
The set feeling achievable is what keeps casuals in
copper hare
Calling elite sets elite when you get them with rival
elfin surge
elite sets should be 2k imo
copper hare
Thonk
severe basin
cater to the majority so they keep buying tokens and subs
digital crater
Once they leave, the bell curve collapses
elfin surge
1800 too low
mild thunder
you ruin my ms in shuffles
nothing makes me happier than having americans in my lobby and them getting the ping instead of me
suck shit
severe basin
nobody cares what your rating is
grand scaffold
next talent profile is gonna be called dirt
severe basin
they just want transmogs
turbid ember
WoW players hate prestige. Everyone was shitting on the people that bought TCG mount when Twitch viewers got it for "free"
elfin surge
sets were 2k in legion
severe basin
yea but nobody cares what u guys like
mild thunder
2100-2200 just isn't attainable for most people
the sets shouldnt be attainable for everyone tho, or even the majority... i probably wont ever push CE, but i dont get to complain about not getting the rewards
mild thunder
thats why they should get cape traznsmogs
severe basin
so they cater to most people
digital crater
the sets shouldnt be attainable for everyone tho, or even the majority... i prob...
For sure, but PvP is already dying
mild thunder
and illusions
mild thunder
For sure, but PvP is already dying
there should be rewards for 1800
severe basin
the sets shouldnt be attainable for everyone tho, or even the majority... i prob...
you do get the rewards tho
mild thunder
just not the elite set
turbid ember
Why everyone feel entitled to cosmetics?
digital crater
If you tell casuals "you will never attain this actually cool reward unless you're the top 1%" they won't even bother
severe basin
thats why they brought concentrated primal focus from +16s
digital crater
I'm not saying that's a good thing, I'm saying it is a thing
severe basin
everyone can get mythic gear now without being a mythic raider
digital crater
And pulling the plug on the one thing keeping people in 1000-1800 propping up the ranks is a bad move
digital crater
Once they leave, elo hard deflates
mild thunder
a really shit ground mount tho
severe basin
that will never happen
digital crater
Good solution longterm
turbid ember
If you're pvping just for the cosmetics then are you even having fun PVPing?
digital crater
Feel like in the short-term a whole lot of people would give up though
digital crater
If you're pvping just for the cosmetics then are you even having fun PVPing?
Most WoW players only do shit for the rewards tbqh
severe basin
and people like to AFK in valdrakken in transmogs and do nothing
or rp on moonguard
nobody gives a shit about pvp
mild thunder
there should have been some dragonriding cosmetics tied to lower ratings this season
mild thunder
hair colours, armour tints etc
turbid ember
WoW players are masochists
severe basin
wow pvp died when league of legends came out
dont try and kill it even further with bad ideas
topaz tulip
just not the elite set
Honestly looking back at wod and knowing I can never get the elite armor because I wasn't even on wow back then is enough to tilt. Why limit people in the expansions they're already playing like that? Even a saddle like trade would be better than that. I'm not saying all rewards for the top level should be granted to everyone who couldn't do it, but to limit them in the season they DID make it just because they couldn't do it on 10 different classes in one season? Really? That doesn't even make sense
turbid ember
Why do you feel entitled to it
mild thunder
Honestly looking back at wod and knowing I can never get the elite armor because...
on the one hand i kinda get it because i feel the same way, but on the other hand thats just how games are
certain rewards are for certain achievements at certain times
queen peak
Is the SKS/TR build still pumping? I didn't get a chance to play last night
mild thunder
why should someone that gets 1800 today get a reward that i got 10 years ago when the game was completely different?
mild thunder
id kill to get that giant red sword mog from wod challenge mode, but i didnt do the content so i never should
topaz tulip
Why do you feel entitled to it
I don't. It was a proposition for a different conversation. Honestly I'm weirded out by the "unlock two pieces at each rank thing and confused as to why it's not all at the 1800 minimum. I wouldn't be bothered by that, I'm just bothered by the class thing.
copper hare
WoW players are masochists
Yea but that's really nothing new haha
gleaming ibex
I got the wod elite set but not enough conquest points to buy belt and legs back then
mild thunder
I don't. It was a proposition for a different conversation. Honestly I'm weirded...
class thing needs to stay - it also incentivises players to level alts through the season instead of quitting after their first 1800
a fuckton of cosmetic chasers would just get one main to 1800 and not pvp again if it was class-wide
instead of playing their 20 alts
and that would be bad for pvp
dark sparrow
Yo @mild thunder you played around some more with the sks build? is it just for cheese or better than ms build?
thick reef
Reasons why they need to implement ways to unlock past cosmetics via pvp
topaz tulip
why should someone that gets 1800 today get a reward that i got 10 years ago whe...
Again, I agree. Elite wod set is gone, and I'm more than accepting of that, just like aotc achieve stuff.
cloud veldt
try this:
mild thunder
Yo <@589020053748449300> you played around some more with the sks build? is it j...
im only really liking it into lock/dk
high armour specs that walk out of spear
cloud veldt
try this:
im climbing with my new alt, get a lobby with a clueless healer, he goes 0-6. everyone all goes 3 wins, i lose rating lmfao
severe basin
reroll dk
topaz tulip
a fuckton of cosmetic chasers would just get one main to 1800 and not pvp again ...
Do you think nothing could be given to 1800+ or elite players that would still incentives the class diversity you're saying should stay?
turbid ember
Past cosmetics should stay in the past. At best you could have a slight color difference
mild thunder
Do you think nothing could be given to 1800+ or elite players that would still i...
i just dont see the issue with class-specific mogs
elite mog sets should be a flex that you're good at that class
agile aspen
elite mog sets should be a flex that you're good at that class
better make it higher than 1800 then kek
mild thunder
Past cosmetics should stay in the past. At best you could have a slight color di...
recolours are good imo
mild thunder
better make it higher than 1800 then kek
agreed, they should be somewhere between 21-2400
agile aspen
weird to me that weapons are account wide at 2.4k and specifics are 1800 but who knows
topaz tulip
Past cosmetics should stay in the past. At best you could have a slight color di...
I mean that's exactly what you get. Run the raid in 2 expacs and you have the recolor anyway. Nothing wrong with that.
turbid ember
What's the percentile difference between 1800 and 2400
digital crater
2400 is top 0.47% of the playerbase last data I can find
mild thunder
that doesnt sound right
thick reef
Past cosmetics should stay in the past. At best you could have a slight color di...
Still never seen a defense for past mogs staying past that isn't just "because it's always been limited" or some made up arguments about it shouldn't be easy to get despite.bo one ever saying it should be easy
Fomo is bad. Full stop
mild thunder
maybe in 3s right now
digital crater
Is there more current data?
mild thunder
Still never seen a defense for past mogs staying past that isn't just "because i...
should all past ksm, glad, aotc mounts be obtainable?
thick reef
Super Mario brothers has fomo
What is in smb that can't be obtained anymore?
topaz tulip
elite mog sets should be a flex that you're good at that class
But why? By that logic, at least make that classes armor account wide, instead of having nothing for the rest.
I just feel like there's a way to reward players for earning rank across the board while also giving a reward for mastering each class.
turbid ember
It's a little apples to oranges but you finish a level you can't go back and get a coin in that same run
mild thunder
But why? By that logic, at least make that classes armor account wide, instead o...
because its an elite set
severe basin
go outside and touch some grass u bottom feeders
thick reef
It's a little apples to oranges but you finish a level you can't go back and get...
That's not comparable at all. What would be comparable is not being able to play the level ever again
mild thunder
That's not comparable at all. What would be comparable is not being able to play...
thats not comparable at all
turbid ember
That's not comparable at all. What would be comparable is not being able to play...
So you don't believe in prestige systems
mild thunder
not being able to play that level ever again is comparable to the fact that you cant play that arena season ever again
which you cant
so why should you get rewards for it
late nacelle
is it 1 catalyst per week per account or per character?
dark sparrow
per account
thick reef
So you don't believe in prestige systems
It's still the same prestige if you still need a high rank to get it.
mild thunder
but high ranks arent comparable across seasons
s2 SL rating inflated to upwards of 3500
thats not comparable to most seasons
severe basin
is it 1 catalyst per week per account or per character?
character
severe basin
character
i did the quest on 1 toon and got tier pieces on all of them
so i know im 100% right
turbid ember
Gladiator DKs in S1 WotLK
topaz tulip
which is correct
One per account, per character. As in, you can stack up to 6 using alts, but you can only use the catalyst for the one that aquired it right now, is what it seems like. May be a bug.
digital crater
Being good at Arms Warrior in MoP is extremely different to being good at Arms Warrior in DF
Diff sets reflect that
mild thunder
exactly
topaz tulip
i did the quest on 1 toon and got tier pieces on all of them
Weird, someone else came in here and said something complete opposite. I haven't tested.
mild thunder
would we really want SL s2 glads getting elite mogs from seasons where it actually meant something?
severe basin
Weird, someone else came in here and said something complete opposite. I haven't...
wrong
dont confuse the guy
check wowhead
it literally tells u
severe basin
so
yes
noi
thats wrong
dont listen to that idiot
i did it on my DK and got tier on DK, warr, rogue, and warlock
late nacelle
u guys fking suck lol
topaz tulip
Being good at Arms Warrior in MoP is extremely different to being good at Arms W...
Which is fair and understandable. But still doesn't really drop the original question of, isn't there something that can be given account wide for what you did do THIS season?
undone pumice
unwise gnome anti crit propaganda spreader
mild thunder
Which is fair and understandable. But still doesn't really drop the original que...
i think most of us agreed that there should be an 1800 reward
grand scaffold
how am i losing rating in a lobby with 2500 players
mild thunder
but it shouldnt be the elite sets
grand scaffold
i dont get it
mild thunder
i said it should be the vicious season mount
severe basin
how am i losing rating in a lobby with 2500 players
you went 2-4
git gud my gee
or make a DK
mild thunder
i also think the cloak and illusion should be lower
topaz tulip
i said it should be the vicious season mount
So you think the mount should swap instead of the armor? I could ride with that
mild thunder
because they fucking suck anyway
mild thunder
So you think the mount should swap instead of the armor? I could ride with that
yep, mount 1800 instead of a weird season-progress thing
topaz tulip
because they fucking suck anyway
severe basin
player skill issue
grand scaffold
player skill issue
did i ask dumbass?
severe basin
did i ask dumbass?
dont get mad
topaz tulip
yep, mount 1800 instead of a weird season-progress thing
Know what, I like that.
mild thunder
and keep vicious saddles as a seasonal progress reward for old mounts
turbid ember
Why not give everyone all cosmetics without any effort so everyone can enjoy it. Am I right reddit?
mild thunder
i think that's fine
mild thunder
Why not give everyone all cosmetics without any effort so everyone can enjoy it....
shut up, we reached a good middleground
turbid ember
But I need entertainment
grand scaffold
there are 2500s
i shouldnt be losing 48 rating for net 2 losses
in normal 3's i wouldnt
dark sparrow
there are 2500s
those are the healers, you are getting compared to the dps
thats the new system
grand scaffold
what
severe basin
i shouldnt be losing 48 rating for net 2 losses
re que big dog
grand scaffold
re que big dog
im going to
severe basin
i feel luck coming your way
grand scaffold
🙂
mild thunder
i also want the honor level system deleted
its shit
past like 150, the only good rewards are every 100 levels
topaz tulip
in normal 3's i wouldnt
My friend, solo rating gain/loss is trash. I've lost 4 rounds in one match and then won 6 the next and net 0
dark sparrow
iirc they tried to reduce shuffle q times by matching dps mmr with dps mmr and healer mmr with healer mmr. so you can have a 1600cr dps lobby but the healers are 2k cr or 1k cr for example
topaz tulip
past like 150, the only good rewards are every 100 levels
I liked prestige in legion, but yeah. It's also virually impossible for anyone to climb very high without literal years of sweaty gaming
grand scaffold
solo shuffle rating system is the most gay shit ive come across
turbid ember
I feel bad for healers. If you have a dog DPS that goes 0/6 then healers at best go 3/3 while DPS go 4/2
mild thunder
I liked prestige in legion, but yeah. It's also virually impossible for anyone t...
yep, its a stupid grind at this rate. i pvp'd semi-casually (~500 games/season) in SL, and slightly less casually this season and im still only lvl 150
that midnight courser or whatever the lvl 500 reward is, is a literal 5 year grind
grand scaffold
solo shuffle should just be like normal 3's without queing as a group
1 round
que again
dark sparrow
solo shuffle rating system is the most gay shit ive come across
dont go full Bruin pls
turbid ember
solo shuffle should just be like normal 3's without queing as a group
Then it's luck of the draw which isn't great
grand scaffold
Then it's luck of the draw which isn't great
whats the difference from rn?
severe basin
you go up against dk/dh
digital crater
Losses feel so bad with 30 min queue times holy fuck
mild thunder
solo shuffle is fine imo, the queues seem way better, the rotation works well etc
severe basin
but ur playing with some dog shit class
grand scaffold
but ur playing with some dog shit class
yea
mild thunder
i dont think its that issuesome
grand scaffold
the point of shuffle is its fair
ok
severe basin
everyone gets their share of having the dog shit class on their team
or the dog shit healer
grand scaffold
so arms warrior goes into a game with 2 assa rogues and a dh
grand scaffold
whats fair
mild thunder
everyone gets their share of having the dog shit class on their team
everyone gets me on their team 
topaz tulip
Gah, daughter woke up. Time for me to sign off for the night. Yall take it easy.
mild thunder
cya mate
steep oyster
hi just got back into pvp, leftt when n fury was mega strong and just read the patch. i know arms scales better esp w tier but is fury still fine? do we take raging blow now w the buffs or still no?
turbid ember
Arms is meta, fury is okay
steep oyster
is teh fury teir even worth it, only reason i dont wannna play arms is cuz it feels so slow when going all crit
grand scaffold
it literally pumps
mild thunder
is teh fury teir even worth it, only reason i dont wannna play arms is cuz it fe...
No
It’s shit
steep oyster
pumps with or without raging blow, also for enchants do u still go sophics or 2 frozen idk which does more ngl
dark sparrow
yea fury tier actually a joke
real shuttle
it literally pumps
you running it? which build if I may ask
grand scaffold
im not running it but in a single solo shuffle game with me doing proper dmg
i did 1.3m dmg
fury did 2.3
and i wasnt being trained either
dark sparrow
you just have no boorst as fury
mild thunder
Fury pumps when people ignore it and stack for odyns fury
turbid ember
Should focus fury wars more
severe basin
they heal too much
mild thunder
But it gets shut down super easily
turbid ember
Fury doesn't get dank IP
steep oyster
has anyone tried it w raging blow/onslaught or still the old build
grand scaffold
i think people are obsessing over arms atm tho
mild thunder
Just disarm a fury they either do nothing or have to trinket
severe basin
samr with arms
turbid river
guys for arms what is the better trinket? the on use one or the other?
grand scaffold
samr with arms
ah
mild thunder
Arms at least has the opportunity to parry or bladestorm a disarm
mild thunder
And arms burst window with cs is longer than odyns fury avatar proc
steep oyster
sry is this w the raging blow / onslaught or still the bloodthirst build
mild thunder
Bloodthirst
steep oyster
icic
mild thunder
Rb build actually pumps damage but it’s super squishy
grand scaffold
dmg from fury is higher than arms generally speaking not the burst tho
burst from arms is waaaay higher
mild thunder
dmg from fury is higher than arms generally speaking not the burst tho
That’s just not true
severe basin
how do i play arms
mild thunder
Arms has far better sustained damage, better burst, better cleave and a better ms
severe basin
what does damage
grand scaffold
Arms has far better sustained damage, better burst, better cleave and a better m...
no
steep oyster
i thikn cuz of the tier and as gear scales arms just runs past fury, but i like fury more ngl
grand scaffold
i strongly disagree
mild thunder
You can disagree, but you’ll be wrong
grand scaffold
im not wrong
light granite
How’s the ice cream @mild thunder
mild thunder
How’s the ice cream <@589020053748449300>
Delicious, it’s chop chip
mild thunder
why would i lie about a class being better/worse
Dude you accused lukey of lying earlier lmao
light granite
Ever run into Corn Pop after that altercation in the pool?
grand scaffold
Dude you accused lukey of lying earlier lmao
dude
mild thunder
I don’t think you’re lying, you’re just wrong
grand scaffold
i have never seen 210k hits
grand scaffold
I don’t think you’re lying, you’re just wrong
im not wrong tho
i played against a fury
focused him
mild thunder
That’s a you problem
mild thunder
You versing one or two fury warriors doesn’t matter
That’s not how we decide if a spec is good or bad
turbid ember
Should have spell reflected
elfin surge
grand scaffold
That’s not how we decide if a spec is good or bad
i didnt say the spec is good tho
light granite
Are we still using spear? Or is roar pumping?
grand scaffold
i just said that fury outdmg's arms
grand scaffold
Are we still using spear? Or is roar pumping?
boooooooooth
mild thunder
And you’re wrong
turbid ember
I'll look for any excuse not to use spear
mild thunder
Versing one or two fury warriors that out damage you doesn’t mean fury has greater damage than arms in general
late nacelle
Should have spell reflected
Was playing pala
turbid ember
When I tried to spear someone near a pillar and it went on top of the pillar I had enough
light granite
I’m basically a mentally challenged warrior. I play dh so i needed something a bit more simple
mild thunder
You could be bad at arms, they could be gods at fury, they could have or have not been cc’d etc
grand scaffold
You could be bad at arms, they could be gods at fury, they could have or have no...
idk i dont think im bad at arms
im not r1 tho
mild thunder
I’m not saying that you are
grand scaffold
i know
mild thunder
I’m saying it’s one factor that could influence the damage in that game
agile aspen
can assass 4p get a pvp modifer
grand scaffold
I’m saying it’s one factor that could influence the damage in that game
thats true
turbid ember
Arms I feel like I'm not gonna do the most damage in the game but I will be the one to close it out
twin yacht
what is a hypothetical?
grand scaffold
but every fury warrior ive played against since the buffs is literally pumping
real shuttle
It’s when I bone your mum
lolled hard
twin yacht
It’s when I bone your mum
turbid ember
💯
hot solstice
I love ss lobys vs hunters...scatterinto steeltrap on cd...even worse if he has druid
grand scaffold
I love ss lobys vs hunters...scatterinto steeltrap on cd...even worse if he has ...
makes me want to play fury even more
bloodrage all roots
mild thunder
Arms should get bloodrage
empty arch
arms is good vs rogues n shit, but any hunter/druid/shaman comps will make you cry
arms with bloodrage would be amazing
mild thunder
arms is good vs rogues n shit, but any hunter/druid/shaman comps will make you c...
Arms is just an S tier pick, pretty good into@most things. Magic casters suck tho
turbid ember
Can I get enraged regen on arms instead?
mild thunder
I wish
empty arch
you got ignore pain, cant have it all 😄
mild thunder
Bring back wod regen
turbid ember
Gimme second wind
mild thunder
As much as I love IP, I don’t think abilities like that are good for the game. I’d rather dstance be not useless and another true defensive
grand scaffold
Bring back wod regen
yeah
empty arch
start of SL was amazing, spell reflect on intervene, dstance that didnt suck, really was the golden age
i would give my left testicle for mirror lego
grand scaffold
start of SL was amazing, spell reflect on intervene, dstance that didnt suck, re...
nah
best was mop
mild thunder
dstance should be 20/30 and arms should have enraged regen as a 30% wall with a 20% heal over time
Maybe drop dbs to a 20% wall to compensate
dark sparrow
if your playing ms build, where do you put the point from unhinged when vs bm/dk?
digital crater
why are you trashing die by the sword
warm portal
if your playing ms build, where do you put the point from unhinged when vs bm/dk...
EP
digital crater
its name is really descriptive
mild thunder
if your playing ms build, where do you put the point from unhinged when vs bm/dk...
Check pins
elfin surge
turbid ember
Nah, that's dog
mild thunder
The thing with dbs is that it’s great into melee because they can’t hit you anyway, but it’s shit into casters even as a 30% wall
Enraged regen would be a good addition
empty arch
its amazing vs demo locks 😄
dark sparrow
Check pins
whoops, i really should read until the end. thx
mild thunder
wtf u guys going on ab now man
I’m giving more 10 iq ideas
agile aspen
yeah ok satan
dark sparrow
yo mud can you just stream my guy, than i won't be forced to watch some french warrior to see some warrior gameplay lmao
elfin surge
d stance has been 20/20 since it was made a talent in legion but they keep fucking with the values
mild thunder
A passive 20% damage reduction + ignore pain just seems like too much
empty arch
they cant even fix blur on the account that they just cant do math or some shit
fat chance they are gonna go back to 20/20
mild thunder
I’m not gonna complain if they do it
severe basin
yo mud can you just stream my guy, than i won't be forced to watch some french w...
watch the man himself
mild thunder
But they won’t
severe basin
the bahj
dark sparrow
<:garms:917120195527598201>
went from tuning in to Exzi's stream without understanding a word of russian and now looking at hayne while barely understanding a word that's being said, shit's sad
mild thunder
you'll find a way
Well now I’ll have to out of spite
dark sparrow
and i'd rather just close twitch than watch joe for warr gameplay unironically
mild thunder
Joemama
turbid ember
We'll make a useful change .org petition. That'll show them
steep oyster
as fury do you odyns fury then roar or the other way around, does it matter
hot solstice
I love how dhs can increase glimpse buff by gliding
elfin surge
as fury do you odyns fury then roar or the other way around, does it matter
technically you odyns before because you play the talent that procs one when you avatar.
mild thunder
I want bicmex to level a warrior alt so we finally get some quality warrior content
elfin surge
I want bicmex to level a warrior alt so we finally get some quality warrior cont...
ouch
steep oyster
technically you odyns before because you play the talent that procs one when you...
ah true but isnt it reduced ive been going enraged > avatar/reck/roar > rampage > odyns > rampage ++
is there a better way todo this
inner sigil
why update again
mild thunder
Wouldn’t it just be ramp > reck/avatar > ramp > roar > bt to next ramp > odyns
quick ivy
Which race should i go on my arms warr? Alliance
mild thunder
Odyns lasts like 4s or something
elfin surge
reck before ava always
quick ivy
Got any race recomandation for warr? I allready got an Dark iron. @elfin surge
mild thunder
Which race should i go on my arms warr? Alliance
Whichever is sexiest
quick ivy
Human then
mild thunder
Dark iron is bis, but don’t play a race that you think is ugly
Difference isn’t that big between racials
warm portal
Gnome
quick ivy
Xd
mild thunder
Gnome feels great as arms but if you do switch to fury the root break feels pointless
warm portal
Gnome feels great as arms but if you do switch to fury the root break feels poin...
Agreed
quick ivy
Human female bis
elfin surge
orc looks the best
uneven burrow
Gnome Master Race
warm portal
Human female bis
Also agreed. MY MAIN
elfin surge
taking after chadekel
mild thunder
orc looks the best
Did you see the new orc heritage set?
quick carbon
human heritage kinda owns
turbid ember
Human warriors only do missionary
scenic maple
SKS is fun build to watch opponent hp bar drain down instead of just chunk...not sure if the build feels better than just raw doggin' the fatty crits though
warm portal
God dks are such chads
scenic maple
those dirty DKs
mild thunder
dk mains raw dog hookers
They’re trying to stack necrotic wounds 💀
quick carbon
bro my friend deadass went into a rubntug massage parlor and came back to me and said BRO THEY DONT EVEN MAKE YOU WEAR A CONDOM
turbid ember
I mean if it was just a HJ who cares
agile aspen
I just want a lions head shoulder as well
u mean like warfront set 
queen peak
They’re trying to stack necrotic wounds 💀
☠️
marble walrus
Hi all, I have never done pvp, what better to start from arms or fury?
turbid ember
Fury easier. Arms meta
quick carbon
I mean if it was just a HJ who cares
It was not ._.
placid marlin
I'm really enjoying fatality, gives me that extra ooomph to close out games
90k executes
turbid ember
Fatality feels nice, idk why people dumped on it
Must have just been talent point shortage
Makes it feel like you're the one that closes out the games
warm portal
I mean it did just get buffed
queen peak
So what's the consensus on builds right now that people have had a few days to play? I wanted to try the bleed/sks build last night but couldn't get on.
dapper cypress
finally 1400 in 2v2 😄
what should i buy with 925 conquest
playng currently with pve 2 set 415 chest and 411 pants
should i buy neck and next week pvp shoulders?
if yes which neck? like all the pros have mastery or crit or haste
dapper cypress
have already both rings
left laurel
Most people go crimson glad pendant
gloomy hamlet
anyone able to give me a quick rundown of arms vs fury survivability/selfhealing? I'd like to play the tankiest and best surviving spec
warm portal
Fury tankier
grand scaffold
which is just better than fury self heal in pvp imo
nah
fury tankier
and during enrage regen
very hard to kill fury
caster can kill arms through parry
digital crater
what is devo setup and how do i counter it?
queen peak
LoS or kill them before they kill you
But I'm a noob to PvP so I'm probably missing something
grand scaffold
LoS or kill them before they kill you
another tip
when they have hover up
focus somebody else
whenever hover goes down
go on the evoker
queen peak
I can't look it up on my work PC but hover is only like 6 sec right?
full quiver
EZ CLAP
grand scaffold
😄
full quiver
r u gonig for the 2.4 on anything
full quiver
i did the 0-2.4 on dk this weekend/monday
full quiver
so basically 20 hours of malding
grand scaffold
sheesh
queen peak
Jeez. Unholy?
digital crater
so basically 20 hours of malding
How much of this was queue time?
full quiver
i feel like it probably averaged out to like 25 min queues
most of time was around 30 but there were a couple of quicker pops
rancid granite
wait has this channel found more love for fury after the patch?
arms is too complicated for me
grand scaffold
you guys ever listen to still woozy?
low tapir
do you play blademasters in 2s aswell? or warlords`?
grand scaffold
do you play blademasters in 2s aswell? or warlords`?
i dont like blademasters in anything
especially with talent build rework
hot solstice
is 2400 elite tabard in game?
turbid ember
I wonder how devoker arms would be. Devoker burst into warrior execute
tribal sedge
hey what should my opener/rotation be in solos?
do i sharpen on the first ms or keep for 2 overpoer?
agile aspen
rare that you want to sharpen on first ms because generally partner should cross cc their healer
sharpen is more for making sure they stay down after cc is ending
left laurel
tribal sedge
rare that you want to sharpen on first ms because generally partner should cross...
assuming low cr and others are incapable
how should i generally open?
agile aspen
low cr prolly even worse to open with sharpen tbh
usually you can push one button and they waste 3 defensives
but for some reason low cr doesnt understand what sharpen does
probably just CS and see what they waste
but if you were doing pve opener its ms>rend>op>op>cs>ms>burst cd
warm portal
is 2400 elite tabard in game?
No
limber relic
this is what i mean when i say dmg on a dummy is not reliable
tribal sedge
low cr prolly even worse to open with sharpen tbh
ye sry reroll from 2k after ret nerfs so just wanted to see what this is
warm portal
Low cr you can prob waddle around for 10 seconds and somebody will have already blown half their defensive and trinket
Then you just full send that guy
grand scaffold
some hpal
told me hes r1 on 3 healers
and doesnt use bop vs dh
what a dunce
like honestly
quick carbon
what portion of dh damage is physical
grand scaffold
blade dance
quick carbon
I never rlly cared to know
quick carbon
Isn’t chaos every school
grand scaffold
i guess
warm portal
Not defending him entirely because I didn't see the match but bop can be pretty unreliable vs DH when you're hpal. Your only dispel fodder is glimmer
warm portal
Welp
grand scaffold
even vs dh/enhance he wouldnt use bop
and if he wasnt gonna use bop
why talent into double bop
chump
grand scaffold
it still helps man
quick carbon
or triple purge if enhance plays the talent
warm portal
Yeah for sure that just puts somebody on forb
grand scaffold
its literally better than going 0-6
muted surge
Does bop work against lavalash?
agile aspen
Isn’t chaos every school
I thought it was any school
like it picks highest damage output of all of them
grand scaffold
thats cosmic dmg
grand scaffold
or triple purge if enhance plays the talent
aint no enhance at 2.1 smart enough to run that
grand scaffold
yeah
quick carbon
Get bop every time
quick carbon
average wow player smarter than u think tho
grand scaffold
maybe
but if the avg wow player were smart
they wouldnt go 0-6 saying bop isnt worth pressing while RUNNING DOUBLE BOP
im kinda mad
if he was a good healer i wouldve gotten positive rating gain
agile aspen
idk if they changed matchmaking my last 3 matches healers have been 400 cr below rest of the lobby
warm portal
They expanded the mmr range that healers can que into
agile aspen
doesnt seem like it made my queue times any faster but maybe they are slightly
worthy fern
@agile aspen they def did something and I feel like my queues are faster but I also def notice a skill dif in my healers
Some of them are straight garbage at 2.1-2.2
quasi zephyr
My estimated queue times are now 8-9 min when they used to be 11-12 @ 1800
agile aspen
25 minute queue
hpal 300 rating under dps mmr loses one round and leaves
wp blizzard
agile aspen
you just put the bloody token version in upgrader now
gloomy hamlet
ooh, ty
queen peak
you just put the bloody token version in upgrader now
Is that fixed now? Wasn't working last time I played on Tuesday
gloomy hamlet
yeh that has worked
gloomy hamlet
how worth is using Seal of Diurna?
inner sigil
is thunderous roar better for fury in duels
agile aspen
mythic seal probably worth using
418 crafted ring prolly better unless the seal also has socket somehow
gloomy hamlet
I've only got 408 version, but it does have socket
little gust
next herald
Are ppl still abusing the 476 Gear ? Met A 514 k HP Arms in skirmish
gloomy hamlet
Are ppl still abusing the 476 Gear ? Met A 514 k HP Arms in skirmish
476? O.O
left laurel
I love 4-2 being zero rating change for 4 games
turbid ember
Just go 6-0, I haven't seen anyone with 0 rating change with 6 wins
iron basalt
is the trophy of strife vendor gone or did they move it?
remote adder
is the trophy of strife vendor gone or did they move it?
It goes through the Item Upgrader now
iron basalt
ahh ty
tulip sail
so whats the general acceped build? spear and crit stacking? im sitting fully conq capped as i dont know what to buy
tulip sail
alright
next herald
476? O.O
Yeah I think it was a Bug that the strife items went to 470+ when Upgraded? Someone correct me if im wrong
queen peak
Just a tooltip error I think
remote adder
Yeah I think it was a Bug that the strife items went to 470+ when Upgraded? Some...
I tried to upgrade it when it said it would go to 404ilvl (476ilvl scaled) since I had pieces lower then that for PvE but when it upgraded it was 385 like normal
tranquil raven
Where can you buy strife items now?
thorn sleet
Can't for the moment
remote adder
You buy them in the same place, but you get T2 at the Item Upgrader now
compact token
into pet heavy classes like Unholy, BM, Demo, do y’all keep unhinged and pray with Sweeping or y’all drop it?
agile aspen
drop
turbid ember
Def drop
tribal nimbus
Just a tooltip error I think
Can confirm this
open glacier
arenas can drop sparks?
uncut oasis
is crafted boots and 4 set pieces the optimal setup ?
red dagger
bleed build is pumping - sks feels great - changes made a nice difference
steel trout
red dagger
haha fair, but also I didn't know disarm doesnt stop our warbreaker or things like thunderclap (if you are spreading rend with it)
fresh kite
bleed build is pumping - sks feels great - changes made a nice difference
U talking fury?
red dagger
nope arms my dude
thick reef
no arms
they gave thund roar some nice changes
not change they just made it better in pvp
turbid ember
I can't wait to try out my slam only build
Can't wait to get my montage video of 60k slam kills and Space Jam song in the background
ocean shore
Hello, Did anyone else notice that they got the "special" set effect even tho you havent unlocked it? or did they add it for all items
seems like they only added it for the pvp set, doesnt get the effect on my normal gear
torpid prawn
what "special" set effect are you talking about? example?
ocean shore
the lighting effect on shoulders/head that you get from Gleaming Incarnate Thunderstone
should be a reward from 2400 rating and obtaining Elite but Ive got since patch and saw it on another dude in town aswell
low cobalt
how are you guys using skullsplitter/rend combo, do you save it for cs window or just use whenever?
limber relic
how are you guys using skullsplitter/rend combo, do you save it for cs window or...
meme build ngl
low cobalt
how is it a meme build?
limber relic
with cds?
limber relic
i pref 200k MS
boreal kestrel
What's wrong with both? 300k seems fun
low cobalt
well yea thats kinda what im saying of course i still use ms lol
limber relic
i mean i pref unhinged + fatality + executioner
boreal kestrel
Lotta bandwagon hate for skullsplitter
cinder thorn
Slam talents are just stupid or am I missing something
The damage is shit even with all the talents in both trees enabled
Completely pointless
queen peak
Even if you're not using bleed build, base damage for rend is > than slam for filler
cinder thorn
Yeah me too, they trying to make it viable with talents but it's just too shit
limber relic
i just use rend+bloodletting
turbid ember
Slam needs to be more than just a damage ability
limber relic
bring back heroic strike off GCD pls
cinder thorn
Mmm the old days
turbid ember
Make slam like a mini CS and makes the target take 5% more damage or something for X seconds
limber relic
Make slam like a mini CS and makes the target take 5% more damage or something f...
thats slightly too op
turbid ember
It's just an example
turbid ember
Off gcd seems more op
cinder thorn
Make slam force enemies to target someone else
turbid ember
Here here
turbid ember
That's not the discussion
cinder thorn
Make slam spin enemies a random angle then fall over and camera points up to the sky for 2 seconds
turbid ember
It's how to make Slam more than just a shitty damage ability. Needs utility somewhere
cinder thorn
We need knockback
limber relic
we dont
cinder thorn
Slam knocks back