pvp

[torpid bolt]

Isn't better op-op-ms

[late nacelle]

bladestorm (hurricane) -> rend -> CS + all CDs -> SKS

[turbid ember]

Why wouldn't you want import strings to be shared?

[elfin surge]

whats going on in here

[late nacelle]

300k

skullsplitters

[turbid ember]

Bot deleting import strings

[urban skiff]

I'm just not seeing them

[elfin surge]

skullsplitter is for nerds

[late nacelle]

keep in mind

[urban skiff]

will try bladestorm

[late nacelle]

when u use SKS

all those rend ticks and deep wounds ticks

after the skullsplitter

[flat dome]

Should get a damage buff when grouped with latin servers

[late nacelle]

in the combat log

IS your SKS

[urban skiff]

yea i get that

is details not picking up on it?

[late nacelle]

no

only combat log

scroll to your skullsplitter

[elfin surge]

@mild thunder got silenced by the bot

[late nacelle]

then just add all those dot ticks together on top of the initial SKS hit

[elfin surge]

[limber relic]

standard build imo

[late nacelle]

thats ur SKS dmg

[grand scaffold]

300k skullsplitters?

dang

can you send me your build

[elfin surge]

ok try it on a player

[lavish heron]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[late nacelle]

combat

log

not

details

[late nacelle]

250k is record

[limber relic]

xd

[urban skiff]

I don't get why you think details wouldn't pick up on more than one rend tick

best I'm getting is 104k + 88k + 91k

[late nacelle]

so

almost 300k

?

xd

[lavish heron]

close enuff

[late nacelle]

now

swap off ur side arm

to 5% increased dmg on kick

[devout ferry]

@late nacelle what build do you run?

[urban skiff]

I mean it's safe to add the spear damage

[late nacelle]

and get 4 set

for another 5%

and keep in mind

you'll also be following that up

with dragon roar

and a juiced up mortal strike

[limber relic]

think skullsplitter build is just a meme build ngl

but hey u never know

[late nacelle]

oneshotting people is meme

agreed

[urban skiff]

240k + spear with 4set

forgot to stack the 4set nevermind

[limber relic]

hm

[scenic maple]

Where's MS

[limber relic]

does skullsplitter work with sweeping?

it should right?

[late nacelle]

u get similiar burst with spear but u will have same ish burst with dragon roar but also more dmg outside of ur burst

spear is also slower to setup

[urban skiff]

Only doing spear to raise crit chance and damage

[late nacelle]

u dont get crit chance

[lavish heron]

gotta love what a shit fest bgs are

[late nacelle]

u get crit dmg

[lavish heron]

no one is capping flags

just fighting

[urban skiff]

tbh with that meme build, is there even a reason to pick up a torment talent?

can get both spear and roar

[late nacelle]

yes

20% crit chance

[urban skiff]

reck gives crit chance?

[late nacelle]

yes

20%

[urban skiff]

ah

[late nacelle]

the more of those dot ticks

u get to crit

dmg will go way up

but yes

spear will have higher dmg ceiling

but less dmg if u do it 100 times

if u feeling lucky

take spear

if u want consistent results

dont

[urban skiff]

tbh

apply rend with tc, ss sks

[mild thunder]

im fucking back

[urban skiff]

did you get banned ?

[mild thunder]

got muted for trying to share build string imports

sorry for trying to help new warrior players, skyhold

[warm portal]

Try it again

[urban skiff]

pm me the stuff first before you get perm silenced

[mild thunder]

there's gotta be some way around it, its just such a fucked idea to begin with

[urban skiff]

i'll post a screencap of it 😄

[mild thunder]

blizz introduces import strings to make sharing builds easy
skyhold bans import strings

gg

[urban skiff]

can you share wowhead talent links instead?

[mild thunder]

doubtful

you can try it, im not

[urban skiff]

i linked one earlier

[devout ferry]

I’m so tired today, what is sks everyone talking about #noob

[mild thunder]

its a recent thing so idk

like, within the last 12 hours or something

[urban skiff]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAOBVRUVUkAUFQphUANVVUVVURZBCRUEA
don't use this build, it's just a garbage test

just a test don't ban me

[late nacelle]

looo

[teal cedar]

this is the 300k build?

[mild thunder]

okay thanks

will adjust my thing

[urban skiff]

no that's the 800k, only use if you want to be banned

[small silo]

anyone know if the 2.1 enchant was added

[teal cedar]

i want perma ban so i can free up my life, 800k sounds prefect thx

[wooden canyon]

Hows ignore pain feeling? good or mehh?

[late nacelle]

good af

[lavish heron]

we actually have something now

its nice

[urban skiff]

like i just regrew a limb

[elfin surge]

Hi, where unity?

[mild thunder]

10.1.5 ARMS LOADOUT GUIDE

Stat Priority

Strength > Versatility > Mastery = Haste > Critical Strike

Notes: There truly is no "one best" stat distribution for Arms. The general consensus right now is to reach some benchmark of Haste (10-20%) and then stack Mastery to increase the impact of our abilities.

Talent Builds

Fatality
BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERCJJpUKJBAAAAEEJiGJBERjSIkEaSESIARCAAAAAAAAJRiIgANEA

Unhinged
BcEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFAgWiERCJJpUKJBAAAAEEJiGJBERjSIkEaSESIARCAAAAAAAAJKJiAC0QA

Notes: Each tree has 2-4 points that you can move around depending on preference/matchup. Other potential talents to pick up are Hurricane, Fueled By Violence, Blademaster's Torment and a few more.

Optional/Flex Nodes

Swap Wrecking Throw/Shattering Throw according to needs (shatter vs palas/mages, wrecking vs absorbs, etc.).
Bitter Immunity can be swapped into against Warlocks to dispel Curse of Weakness.
Swap between Improved Sweeping Strikes and Strength of Arms if you're going to get use out of the +6 seconds.
Swap out of Unhinged against classes with more than 1 pet, as the MS hits will be soaked.
Swap out Blunted Instruments/Warbreaker if you are consistently hitting >2 targets (i.e. 2x melee + FistWeaver) or against pet classes.

PvP Talents

MANDATORY: Sharpen Blade
SITUATIONAL: War Banner, Disarm, Duel, Demolition

10.1.5 FURY LOADOUT GUIDE

Stat Priority

Strength > Versatility > Mastery > Haste > Critical Strike

Mastery and Haste builds are both strong and viable, with most people leaning toward Mastery.

Talent Builds

Annihilator
BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICkAERTKIkENQIJSARSAJJJhkkEhEpFJJEkEAAAEQQA

Raging Blow
BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICkAERTKIkENQIJSARSCRSSkIJkESkWahIBJBAAABEE

Giga-Slam
BgEAoonA2h02U1PVo4204nicFEAAAAAAAAAAQICIAEtkCCJRDEkIBEJJEJJJhkQSIRaRkIBJBAAAJQQA

Optional/Flex Nodes

Swap Wrecking Throw/Shattering Throw according to needs (shatter vs palas/mages, wrecking vs absorbs, etc.).
Bitter Immunity can be swapped into against Warlocks to dispel Curse of Weakness.
1-2 nodes in the Specialisation tree may be swapped around to take Improved Whirlwind for extra cleave where needed.

PvP Talents

STRONG - Slaughterhouse, Bloodrage
SITUATIONAL - Disarm, Enduring Rage, Demolition, Battle Trance
TROLL - Death Wish

Do NOT take Slaughterhouse if you have another Mortal Wounds effect on your team, as it will not stack.

@elfin surge who can pin this

[lavish heron]

outside of parry anyways

[elfin surge]

@knotty atlas

[mild thunder]

@knotty atlas thank you please pin ty

[urban skiff]

do one for fury too

[mild thunder]

yea good point, we can pretend fury exists

[wooden canyon]

Great to hear! but cd has been nerfed alot on IP? dont remember it being 11sec cd?

[late nacelle]

11 sec is fine

[mild thunder]

thank you!

[lavish heron]

tbh shadowlands cd for ip was broken

11 is about right

[wooden canyon]

Alright gotta try it out when im home and see how it feels

[devout ferry]

Enlighten me, SKS what does it stand for? Or is it just random letters

[lavish heron]

skullsplitter

[late nacelle]

SKS is the sound you make when you oneshot someone while drinking a cup of tea

[devout ferry]

Haha 😂

[signal wasp]

yea I tried that Madil

[turbid ember]

100k damage every 11 seconds to get 50k mitigation. Probably gets most value if we're off-target

[mild thunder]

ok i added two fury builds

[late nacelle]

impending victory + ignore pain makes for a pretty strong mini wall

[mild thunder]

id rather lose IV for better ignore pain tbh

i hate self-healing as arms, feels wrong

[late nacelle]

multiple defensive layers > 1 strong

[lavish heron]

arms self healing is all i want

haha

[mild thunder]

yea, just doesnt make sense with the spec

[late nacelle]

they should bring back second wind

[mild thunder]

id rather a focus on mitigation instead of healing

[late nacelle]

3% per 1 sec below 30% or wtf it was

[lavish heron]

aye

with impedending to

would be nice

broken but nice

[green wyvern]

remove ip give us SL dstance back

also remove bleeds buff slam

[lavish heron]

ew

[late nacelle]

i do wonder tho

does SKS build not want

mastery over haste

[green wyvern]

impending + SL dstance = sooo good

[late nacelle]

in terms of burst

[mild thunder]

let slam die

its boring

[summer tiger]

second wind would be bad rn, back in MoP you weren't dead at 30% here you can legit die in a global at 60% from one guy

[lavish heron]

indeed

death to slam

[mild thunder]

idk why it would - mastery doesnt directly increase deep wounds damage

if anything crit would potentially be better

[late nacelle]

ye obvs still go crit

but as the off stat

haste literally does 0

[green wyvern]

sks sounds good

[mild thunder]

haste increases tick rate

[late nacelle]

mastery should do the %increase still

[mild thunder]

makes the spec feel smooth

[green wyvern]

until you realise you need multiple globals

[lavish heron]

haste does work

[late nacelle]

SKS u get same amount of ticks anyway

[lavish heron]

if you aint using sks

[late nacelle]

with haste or not

[mild thunder]

i dont think any build is ditching haste for arms

[late nacelle]

im talking about the

SKS oneshot

[teal light]

You literally have Bitter Immunity, Leeching Strikes, and Victory Rush/Impending Victory...

[late nacelle]

surely mastery

is better for that

[summer tiger]

how do you guys deal with caster cleaves rn ?

[late nacelle]

u kill them

in 1 second

[mild thunder]

if you're just memeing oneshots maybe, but if you want it to be a generally viable build, haste is better imo

[late nacelle]

i dont think

[green wyvern]

you dont

[lavish heron]

i know what you talking about laddie haste with rend/sks is a bit pointless

[late nacelle]

maximising oneshots

[summer tiger]

that's my biggest issue, primarily when they have an ele sham

[late nacelle]

is meme

for solo shuff at least

[mild thunder]

if you're sitting with 2s GCDs, it feels pretty shit

[tame sphinx]

doesnt haste mean more MS?

[late nacelle]

MS is on the bench

[lavish heron]

I know buddy but thats a recent thing 🙂 i played warrior from vanilla and some expacs it was painfull

[late nacelle]

SKS is my main bae now

maybe even

[summer tiger]

that's all I q in to man, I'm playing sp arms and ele sham + caster (usually lock) is what we lose to most of the time

[late nacelle]

full mastery vers build

just crit anyway

[lavish heron]

go unholy haha

[teal light]

I haven't seen a Classic post in here in probably over 3 months. There is a WotLK Discussion channel.

[summer tiger]

going ele feels shit cause I'm not stopping his dam anyways and hexes are rarer than fears

[lavish heron]

Im not talking about classic

im talking about vanilla

[mild thunder]

ele is easier to kill than almost any other caster tho

even if you cant stop his dmg as much

[summer tiger]

yeah but then the destro kinda fucks us no ?

idk I could try to go ele more

[mild thunder]

oh mb, i didnt see that it was against destro/ele

[mental kindle]

Hows fury warriors now in pvp? still trash?

[teal light]

Which is not relevant considering. Not a private server discord.

[summer tiger]

guess no one has the strat

unfort

[mild thunder]

its fine, arms is better

[elfin surge]

fury is for nerds

[late nacelle]

mby

fury is the real sleeper build rn

pressure for days

[mental kindle]

ic

[rancid granite]

fury less buttons than arms?

[lavish heron]

ok i think you are reading to much into it, someone said it was weird self healing as arms and all i was saying is thats all i wanted i played warrior since 2004 which is vanilla some expacs we didnt have any self healing outside of victory rush

[summer tiger]

mud, please help this peasant warr and tell me what you do in to ele caster cleaves, usually ele lock, feels like they force out my cds too quick and I just kinda flop before second spear, which is usually kill

[elfin surge]

are u eu?

[summer tiger]

yeah

[elfin surge]

theres your problem

[lavish heron]

nothing about private servers

or classic

[elfin surge]

on NA we dont have ele shams and the ones we do are completely clueless

[lavish heron]

EU is meta sweats

[summer tiger]

so i'm just cursed to eat lava bursts up my ass ig

[late nacelle]

EU 1800 rating confirmed 2600 rating NA

[summer tiger]

welp

[dense rover]

i got crimson glad boots, legs and head in vault, which one do i pick as arms?

got infurious boots

[robust hamlet]

do we still not even press slam?

[mild thunder]

nope

[robust hamlet]

🤌🏻

[lavish heron]

there was a time i would region change with vpn to get 2100

[teal light]

Legs

[dense rover]

ty

[hot solstice]

NA r1 r rivals on EU

[summer tiger]

um you need a different account completely to play in another region, along with another sub

[muted surge]

We need eu and na tags so we can see who’s actually good

[lavish heron]

ticket sorts that

😄

but at the time i was working in multiple countries

[dense rover]

we going wihtout bitter immunity in the new arms spec?

[hot solstice]

In old one too

[feral heath]

Your own choice

[mild thunder]

its pretty bad

[dense rover]

im like 1100 rated in SS, i suck 😛

[robust hamlet]

what trinkets you guys rock with arms ?

[hot solstice]

Double adaptation

[feral heath]

On use mostly, battlemaster in SS if I get targeted alot

[summer tiger]

I actually might swap to bm in to caster cleave, maybe it'll help

that's an idea

[feral heath]

It feels like it helps, 100k HP is alot

[dense rover]

when do i use rend?

[summer tiger]

filler

no ms, no op, no exec

you rend

[dense rover]

same as slam?

[mild thunder]

depends on build

[summer tiger]

you never press slam tbh

[dense rover]

the first one pinned

even worth to have slam on bars?

[summer tiger]

yeah for totems

[mild thunder]

if bleed build > maintain rend uptime
if ms build > filler
if sks build > maintain + refresh before colsmash

[dense rover]

im ms build

[elfin surge]

slam is a totem killer

[dense rover]

i like big numbers, zug zug

[elfin surge]

[summer tiger]

even then you can overpower totems as well tbh

[dense rover]

ignore pain

[hot solstice]

What’s better: 3slams on tide or 1 mortal?

[dense rover]

taht is new skill, right?

when do i use that?

on cooldown?

[mild thunder]

colsmash

[hot solstice]

Nah it’s for earthen wall

[summer tiger]

on cd mostly, or you try to time it pre-stun in to rogue

but don't hold it

too long

[coral axle]

does rend during csmash give you a bigger dot for sks?

[red condor]

I seem to be getting more value out of Blademaster's Torment over Warlord's Torment. The recklness buff from Warlords lasts only a few seconds. I see most Wars are running warlord though. What are you all doing to get the most out of it?

[elfin surge]

bladestorm

[mild thunder]

^^ mostly on cd, but dont use it when you have 2 op stacks

[dense rover]

jsut cause it is good mitigation to not use it a lot?

[mild thunder]

ignore pain is basically a guaranteed tactician proc

[hot solstice]

Here guys, R1 tellin his secrets

[lavish heron]

Eu or Na?

[mild thunder]

with cs + avatar, you get 8sec of reck, which is enough to get plenty of burst in
even with 4sec on cs, its enough to get an ms or two and an exe

[lavish heron]

haha

[mild thunder]

which can be very dangerous

[red condor]

Oh it stacks. Good to know. I thought I was losing value when I avatar'd and cs'd

[summer tiger]

i actually kinda dislike us having unhinged for free, it makes me feel very bad when I use storm for util

ngl

[hot solstice]

Almost 0 rog mage on ladder to worry about that

[late nacelle]

yup

the more i play

the more this build is insane

go skullsplitter

[dense rover]

do you guys use trinketmenu?

the addon

[mild thunder]

told ya

its wild

[late nacelle]

its just so much more consistent

than trying to fish for those giga mortal strikes

and hits about as hard

[mild thunder]

idk i'll probably try a middle-ground tomorrow with spear + sks and keep EP and stuff

[hot solstice]

I’ll still stick to spear…tell me when they nerf sks

[late nacelle]

abuse quick

im getting 2400 today

no doubt in my mind

4-2, 5-1, 5-1, 5-1

[red condor]

What's the burst? MS > Rend > Avatar + CS > Skull split?

[mild thunder]

rend > avatar + cs > sks

the deep wounds is reapplied passively with cs

[red condor]

ahhhh

[summer tiger]

how hard does skullsplitter hit anyways

[mild thunder]

then you can ms > roar afterwards

[late nacelle]

200k+

[summer tiger]

im not home to test it

jesus aight

[mild thunder]

150k-250k

[late nacelle]

the spread is so huge

[mild thunder]

obviously lower if they're using defensives

[late nacelle]

cos of the dot ticks

all having to individually crit

[summer tiger]

is that with spear crit mod of

[late nacelle]

no

[summer tiger]

or *

[mild thunder]

TRoar

[late nacelle]

no spear

[summer tiger]

0_0

what the fuck

[azure willow]

so now we have to play rend in pvp ?

[summer tiger]

that sounds insane aight I got something to try when I get hope cool cool

[tulip sail]

what pieces should be converted to tier for arms?

[summer tiger]

home*

[late nacelle]

not helm

[mild thunder]

it's a bit troll not to

[azure willow]

why is rend considered so good

[late nacelle]

SKS

but its also better rage dump than slam

[mild thunder]

rend is just better filler than slam

[dense rover]

where do i change pvp tokens to tier sets?

[late nacelle]

u dont

its a quest

to get a resource

1 per week

you turn a pvp piece into the thing

after u completed quest

and if its a tier slot piece it will turn into tier piece

pvp tier piece

holy fk SKS is fun

if u get large amount of crits

u just oneshot them

lmaoooo

[robust hamlet]

sorry for the stupid question but what is sks?

[late nacelle]

skullsplitter

[robust hamlet]

ahhh ty

[faint wigeon]

so you're going hurricane over unhinged with sks right?

[mild thunder]

hurricane is horrible

never use it in real games

[faint wigeon]

what's your current tree look like galachad with the sks build?

[mild thunder]

check pins 🙂

[faint wigeon]

feel like i gotta drop 1 of sks or battlelord

ah kk

[low cobalt]

saw the pins, so there isn't a viable non-rend build?

[mild thunder]

sks build is somewhat flexible, but id never drop battlelord

[mild thunder]

non-rend is just unnecessary trolling

you have the excess points, and every other talent is just shit

[low cobalt]

wait wasn't the last pinned build a non rend build

yea....

[uneven turret]

How long does ignore pain last

[mild thunder]

there may have been non-rend builds in 10.0.2, but 10.0.5 its just a waste not to take it

[late nacelle]

honestly

i dont think hurricane is meme

[low cobalt]

did you have to make new keybinds lol i dont have any avail atm

[late nacelle]

for solo shuff

[green wyvern]

rend is usable if your op/ms/ip are all on cd

[teal cedar]

bajheera was doing non rend last night, just bc he "hates worrying about rend"

[green wyvern]

otherwise its a waste of a global

[late nacelle]

you'll win in your opener a lot of the time

[mild thunder]

hurricane is beyond a meme

[late nacelle]

i also do

[mild thunder]

uncancellable bs that you have to waste on burst

[late nacelle]

like 40 sec bladestorm cd tho

[mild thunder]

for 15% str for 6sec

is pretty shit

[late nacelle]

waste on burst

wot

i just do it

then pop CDs

[summer tiger]

baj is casually playing, and that's honestly a stupid take cause with non bleed build it's literally filler, you don't exactly worry about it

[mild thunder]

yea thats what i mean - you're never using bs for utility or anything, its purely dam amp with hurricane

[green wyvern]

rend is basically slam

you dont try to keep it up

[tulip sail]

is arms going for 4 set or just 2 set?

[late nacelle]

u say that

[green wyvern]

juat cast it if nothing else is available

[late nacelle]

but my rend is critting for 20k per tick

[green wyvern]

?

[low cobalt]

actually i guess you could just replace slam with rend lol

[mild thunder]

its only going to do 15% less without hurricane, but that way you have an actual bladestorm that isnt bad

[dense rover]

eventually bis arms gear is 4 piece tier or full tier?

[late nacelle]

what

u take 4 set

[steel trout]

4p

[dense rover]

so 4 sets of tier

[dense rover]

and drakebreaker?

[late nacelle]

what

[mild thunder]

we got pinned builds

[late nacelle]

u take 4 set pieces that arent helm

and then u go fk shit up

drakebreaker is meme

[steel trout]

[summer tiger]

drakebreaker doesn't even work in arena, it's your filler gear while you haven't replaced with concq

[mild thunder]

i even did fury because im a nice guy

[echo musk]

Can you no longer upgrade the Drakebreaker gear? Got the hands/tokens but it says 'This item can no longer be upgraded'

[steel trout]

fury supporter

[low cobalt]

how do you guys get these set pieces, weekly vault gamble?

[late nacelle]

catalyst

[summer tiger]

and catalyst now

[dense rover]

what do i use instead of helm then?

[late nacelle]

crafted helm

[summer tiger]

i got 2 set today, feelsgoodman

[late nacelle]

infurious

[dense rover]

so infurious helm and boots?

[late nacelle]

yes

[mild thunder]

i was memeing with the raging blow/onslaught build while carrying my pve friend... felt super squishy but the pressure and dmg is there

and its leagues more fun than annihilator

[faint wigeon]

is EP really value over say strength in arms?

[late nacelle]

how hard does the raging blows hit

did u do regular raging

[summer tiger]

wdym bro bloodthrist spam is super fun to play /s

[late nacelle]

or crushing

[mild thunder]

strength of arms is pretty meh

[steel trout]

i rather play another class than a season of fury

[mild thunder]

crushing... can hit for like 60k+ during burst

[late nacelle]

60k MH?

[mild thunder]

onslaught still doesnt hit that hard tho

[coral axle]

Does refreshing rend during csmash give you a bigger rend for sks? I'd assume so but idk

[mild thunder]

60k totals, but you hit fast obviously

[late nacelle]

yeye

[mild thunder]

you're getting back-to-back raging blows

[late nacelle]

sadge

i want something that does 100k+

mby exe now?

[summer tiger]

no, snapshotting has been removed for so long now

[mild thunder]

exe still not worth using for anni build

and barely worth using in rb build

[coral axle]

word, thats dumb but good to know

[summer tiger]

your dots update dynamically

[late nacelle]

isnt it

always worth doing

except bloodbath if u also have CSHB

like the hit itself

is harder than BB

pre buff

[mild thunder]

im pretty sure bloodbath just hits harder

especially in exe range

plus you're maintaining dots and healing

[robust hamlet]

how is double prot allowed on solo shuffle like wtf just no healers at all

[late nacelle]

xd

the nightmare

queue for 30 mins

[mild thunder]

and for rb build, exe does ~2k more damage but you dont build slaughtering strike stacks

[late nacelle]

get into a game without healers

[cobalt plaza]

Is upgrading drakebreaker gear unavailable right now?

[mild thunder]

go to upgrade vendor guy

next to elite weapon vendor

[cobalt plaza]

It says "This item can no longer be upgraded"

[quasi zephyr]

Maybe, it was bugged yesterday

[mild thunder]

might be getting bug-fixed then

will be back later

[cobalt plaza]

Ait ty

[quasi zephyr]

You were able to upgrade it to item level 474

big bug

[late nacelle]

always NA getting free things

gg

[undone pumice]

common galachad W

[barren vale]

I'm annoyed they made the trophy chest piece cost 10 now instead of 7 before

[past dune]

wooo i got my first tier set piece

[barren vale]

Got legs from vault this week though so good deal there. Will have 2 piece tier next week

[mild thunder]

❤️

[red condor]

O.M.G

SKS built Goated

This is getting nerfed

[dense rover]

why is it that infruious head and helm are bis?

[mental kindle]

the embellishments are good

[floral mirage]

is world pvp tier set worth? o can i just use my arena gear in every pvp scenario?

[mental kindle]

probably good to mix and match early on

the upgraded drakebreakers

[floral mirage]

i see, ty

[mental kindle]

crafted/conquest > upgraded drakebreaker > honor gear

probably have to take into account stat prio in there somewhere

[late nacelle]

weapon > tier pieces > crafted > conq > rest

[floral mirage]

ty all 😄

[potent slate]

what are opinions on 2set vs pvp gear

lets say two pieces of normal (389) tier gear vs two 411 pvp pieces

[azure willow]

So yeah basicly if we play rend we can remove slam ? i have already too many binds :d

[potent slate]

you dont play slam

[azure willow]

ok

[quaint snow]

wdym?

[dark sparrow]

To many binds, on warrior? Slam is still kinda nice to kill stuff like totems

[coral axle]

probably not worth

maybe the vers pieces but losing like 20 ilevel on two pieces is whack

[gloomy river]

replaces sks? passive? but i still got sks

[wooden canyon]

is 2-set piece worth on arms if 1 piece is 395 pve shoulders?

[little matrix]

yeah i have 2 set from raid finder and im guessing that isnt worth right?

[grand scaffold]

its still skullsplitter

also

[dark sparrow]

Def not from lfr

[grand scaffold]

is skullspliterr that crazy atm>

and whats the sks build

[dark sparrow]

Gala said he was playing around with it and felt kinda nutty

[low cobalt]

when do you cast sks tho is my question, just off cd or during cs window?

[gentle thorn]

what stats you run for skull / bleed build (haste + vers then or?)

[dark sparrow]

It’s in pins

[dark sparrow]

Check the pins

[grand scaffold]

is it updated?

[steel trout]

ye

[dark sparrow]

Nah it said 10.0.5 but isn’t updated

[faint wigeon]

these solo shuffle q's are brutal...

[grand scaffold]

i didnt know it was updated

[faint wigeon]

it get better at night at all?

[dark sparrow]

Did ya know that if you click the pin, you see when it’s posted?

[low cobalt]

theres also a red dot if theres been an update

[dark sparrow]

Shuffle q is dog, nothing new. Depending on your mmr it might go a bit faster:/slower

[empty marsh]

ignore pain over stormwall? 😦

i guess we do have a lot more rage now

[civic dust]

Anyone got a spear/thunderous macro

to swap out

[past dune]

question how do i get 2 pieces of the tier set when u can only get one of the catalyst charge a week

[mystic barn]

@mild thunder ya the thing works on alts

the lightning effects are so subtle tho

in respone to this

[modern grail]

wait til reset or raid lul

[coral axle]

it feels very RNG, it seems that each of the sks itself, ur rend dot, and the deep wounds dot have their own crit chance when u pop SKS. So if they all 3 crit u blow somebody tf up, but it also can feel really weak

[covert talon]

I may ahve missed it but is the blood token vendor bugged?

have*

[coral axle]

with enough crit chance and during reck tho I bet its pretty nasty

what's the new enchant? I have duelist and dont see it

do I need to win another game at 2100+?

[modern grail]

i upgraded 3 pieces yesterday and it didn't deduct any of my strifes. you use the honor upgrade dude now tho

[waxen oasis]

i cant buy the upgraded version

[covert talon]

@waxen oasis same

[past dune]

im not a raid person

[coral axle]

pretty sure that because it wasn't deducting strifes it was hella bugged and they just pulled it entirely

I imagine it will be back soon when they fix the bug

[covert talon]

Oh okay, thank you. was wondering

[late nacelle]

AH

they still didnt fix

dc from charging

instantly on thunderstorm

[grand scaffold]

and the win streak continues

[pine cobalt]

did they disable the trophy of strife gear upgrades?

[grand scaffold]

huh

why would they disable it

[pine cobalt]

it was bugged

[late nacelle]

it never ends

[grand scaffold]

ikr

bro

you gotta drop to 1950

then R I S E from the ashes

works every time

[late nacelle]

xddd

dropped to 2016

almost

[grand scaffold]

i dropped to 1950 severally

but everytime i do i know ill get my cr back

[high creek]

whats prio before punching SKS? rend >smash>roar> sks?

[grand scaffold]

so when im on a loss streak i look forward to it

[feral heath]

arms new talent cods in pins are not valid for me 🤨

[late nacelle]

sks

before roar

[grand scaffold]

is it good?

[late nacelle]

very

[grand scaffold]

should i run it rn?

[late nacelle]

150k-250k hits

[grand scaffold]

dang

[late nacelle]

consistently

[grand scaffold]

with roar?

same stats as usual?

[potent slate]

which one is it

[late nacelle]

sks

yes roar

[potent slate]

what sks stands for

[late nacelle]

skullsplitter

[grand scaffold]

shit sks is awesome

[potent slate]

thanks

so we playing sks + roar now ?

[late nacelle]

some do

[grand scaffold]

yeah i am

[late nacelle]

i do

[grand scaffold]

this seems to be the wave

[quiet pendant]

150k to 250k hits is this a troll ?

[late nacelle]

nope

[potent slate]

are you using pinned build #3 ?

[waxen oasis]

is sks still good without the haste? or should i wait for gear

[late nacelle]

max hit so far is 320k

[leaden niche]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it looks like SKS expires roar also? So Rend, Deep Wound, and Roar all hit for like 100k each

[late nacelle]

not roar

[smoky anchor]

goddamn

how are you tracking that tho. just death log?

[late nacelle]

combat log

[leaden niche]

Just watching Details on the dummy

[late nacelle]

addons are for noobs

[smoky anchor]

i thought the sks expirations just attribute teh rend expiration to rend itself and i assume also deep wounds

[leaden niche]

<-- Always a noob

[late nacelle]

rend and deepwounds insta proc

all their ticks

at the same time

[smoky anchor]

i see

so you can just add it up

i guess details would also show an abnormally large hit for each of them

[late nacelle]

each tick will show as 1 hit

[grand scaffold]

crit>haste>mastery still?

[late nacelle]

im going full mastery

just for oneshot memes

[smoky anchor]

do you try to time it to match up with a fat deep wounds or is it pretty reliable during burst you'll have a big deep wounds to sks

[late nacelle]

low crit chance? just crit anyway

deep wounds is deep wounds

there's no snapshotting

bladestorm -> rend -> CS all CDs -> SKS

[smoky anchor]

ohhhh

i didn't even know that lmao

i'm still stuck with vanila deep wounds in my head

i should read abilities

[high creek]

are you roaring after because you have to reapply bleeds? or does the additional roar talent increase SKS damage?

[late nacelle]

but im also using hurricane

talent on the right below dragon roar increases all ur bleeds with 15%

that increases the SKS dmg

passively

u dont have to roar

for that increase

[smoky anchor]

sks doesn't interact with roar if i'm not mistaken, so just roar after

[high creek]

i c

[late nacelle]

u roar after anyway

cos its good dmg

[smoky anchor]

hmm excited to try it

[quaint sigil]

link build?

[red condor]

What are you using hurricane for?

[smoky anchor]

did ppl last night really have 474 gear ?

[red condor]

No it was a UI bug

[late nacelle]

this is strictly for solo shuffle tho

dont take this in actual arenas

[smoky anchor]

i only play solo shuffle tho cause it's actually pretty fun especially with the 10 minute queues instead of 45 min queues

[upbeat ice]

so im playing with 4p set right now and on a dummy doing 54k dps with sks/roar build and MS focus/spear build was doing 55k dps so theyre very sim in overall damage idk if its worth the extra effort rotationally tho its alot more complex to play sks because you need to weave rend before and after and weave ms for deep wounds before rend etc

[late nacelle]

its not about the dps

its about the burst

[grand scaffold]

hurricane bro

this is gonna be insane

[upbeat ice]

burst inside of spear with 4p is insane

[smoky anchor]

hey does that deep wounds healing thing proc off of sks ?

[late nacelle]

also

make note

[upbeat ice]

im hitting 100k spear with 180k ms same global

[late nacelle]

of interrupt talent

for 5% extra

[grand scaffold]

is that worth running

[smoky anchor]

oh 100%

[late nacelle]

for oneshot memes? for sure

[smoky anchor]

that's a monster talent

especially cause there isn't many things better if you know you're going to be interrupting

[late nacelle]

are u tossing max range spears charging then MSing?

otherwise how do they hit same global

or are u one of those unhinged enjoyers

[smoky anchor]

prob unhinged

avatar

bmt

[late nacelle]

yeah nah unhinged too inconsistent

avoid it like the plague

[grand scaffold]

i dont like unhinged atm

its eh

[glossy sable]

Does Hack and Slash have an unlisted interaction with Annihilator, or is this point in the pinned talents useless?

[grand scaffold]

is the sks build in pins the best one?

no deep wounds healing

[late nacelle]

i like the healing

can probs drop it tho

most dont run hurricane

as well

[grand scaffold]

what can i swap here?

[late nacelle]

oh lol

didnt realise

i didnt have battlelord

xD

[grand scaffold]

i noticed

seemed funky

[high creek]

strength of arms for battlelord i think

[late nacelle]

wait

why do u have

1 more talent point than me

[grand scaffold]

i dont have deep wounds heal

i dont have 35% op dmg

which are both very strong

[late nacelle]

ohhhhh

[grand scaffold]

and deep wounds heal in this build is too good to not have

its an 85k heal if needed

[late nacelle]

ok probss

drop

hurricane

and i take

sharpened blades

healing is nice

but

we have ignore pain

trust healers

go more dmg

[grand scaffold]

trust healers in solo shuffle!?!??!?!!

[late nacelle]

TRUST

[royal rose]

did they move where you exchange trophy of strife or is the vendor just broken?

[late nacelle]

disabled

[grand scaffold]

why is it disabled

[late nacelle]

NA abused and got ilvl 474 gear

so now its disabled

[grand scaffold]

wait

474?

how

[late nacelle]

bugged

[grand scaffold]

474 tho?

[late nacelle]

y

[grand scaffold]

thats like 60 ilvls too high

[rose phoenix]

what? isn't it just at the upgrade vendor?

[late nacelle]

NA is the public test realm

always get the bugs

[coral axle]

it was a tooltip error apparently

[late nacelle]

EU never gets

[coral axle]

not actual stats

[late nacelle]

buying trophy of strife from AH

giga busted gear

yep

[quaint sigil]

for SKS, would it make sense to pre-build your MS through OP / execute post BS so that you can hit a huge MS after your CS/SKS?

[coral axle]

funny as fuck they didnt roll back the trophies off the AH

exploit early exploit often

[late nacelle]

it can be

[quaint sigil]

So more like BS --> Rend --> OPx2/execute (if SD proc) --> SKS - DR, MS

[smoky anchor]

when you can get a lobby without pets it's absolutely kino to get 2 ppl in a spear and pop avatar with unhinged

[grand scaffold]

@late nacelle whats your opinion on talent build in pins?

[native folio]

What Weapon Enchament shall Arms take

[grand scaffold]

the legendary sophic devotion

[native folio]

Thanccc

[covert talon]

slam is like never used anymore right?

[grand scaffold]

nope

remove from bars

rend is better

BRO

SKS IS META

[shut barn]

How do u use skullspiliter

[past dune]

so if skullsplit resets the bleeds does that mean makes the bleed dots burst all at once ?

[smoky anchor]

yea

the remaining ticks

and it's just deep wounds and rend -- not thunderous roar

still lots of dmg tho

with that on top of an ep-stacked ms

the thought is pretty cool. excited to give it a shot. last night i got semi farmed by ww monks using fist of fury every 15 seconds. played through 4 or 5 solo shuffle lobbies and ended up at the same rating as when i started. tragic

[past dune]

want link the build so i can try it

[smoky anchor]

there's a pinned build, also scroll up for some other examples

[past dune]

ok i didnt see that

[robust hamlet]

I LIKE THIS SKS BUILD

[bitter moss]

Does anyone have an arms dmg macro?

[grand scaffold]

it does nice burst

[narrow current]

If I turn a piece of Conquest gear into a tier piece does it bump the Ilvl to 421 in pvp?

[mild venture]

Yes, you now upgrade that gear with the same vendor as you use for Conquest.

[shut barn]

I was checking some top tier arms players inventory some of them had primal infused items

[maiden crag]

The tier upgrade keeps the pvp ilevel of whatever pvp ilevel the original item is.

[shut barn]

How can I get that

[maiden crag]

So if you use the upgrade world pvp set and try to turn it into tier, it stays 421 instead of 424 as the best available option.

[robust hamlet]

It’s nice too cuz people usually react to spear with stuns or disarms but roar and all that other stuff just smacks

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[mild venture]

I was wondering about that, Spear is like pointing to the rafters before going up to bat and wondering why they walk you... Mark McGuire.

[maiden crag]

I feel like the SKS build is likely meta for SS and not as good in higher MMR 2's/3's. Anyone tried both in 2.2k MMR yet?

[robust hamlet]

[upbeat ice]

its only inconsistent into uh dk, hunter and demo lock otherwise it wins you games cause cant get disarmed on your burst

[late nacelle]

AKA

80%

of every solo shuff game

talent swapping is for nerds anyway

[upbeat ice]

there are more specs that have disarm than specs that unhinged in bad into :>)

[maiden crag]

If you dont zug zug and position the character correctly, unhinged has more value as well. The MS timing in the BS is always the same so you can adjust right before each pops to try to avoid the pet meta that is dragonflight.

[robust hamlet]

I’m just struggle bussin my way to 1800 in SS so it works for me better than spear

[maiden crag]

I.e. place the outer edge of the BS hitbox circle against the two specific targets you are going for. Howling prior to give control helps as well to slow up the pets.

[upbeat ice]

i just swap to other build against pet classes

unhinged gets so much value into non pets tho

[barren vale]

I'm not sure if I am down for playing bleeds or not as opposed to just crit

[robust hamlet]

Does thunderous roar have a target cap?

[late nacelle]

no

[barren vale]

You can play crit with Bloodletting and Rend and I think that's totally viable. I like unhinged, personally

[upbeat ice]

this is full bleed/roar no sks

53.8k dps

this is full crit/ms/unhinged

55.5k dps

i have wrong enchant dont roast

i know

[high creek]

isnt the point tho just being bursty w sks?

[late nacelle]

yes

[high creek]

dps doesnt really matter in a game

[maiden crag]

DPS is a decent measure, but I think it needs to be balanced with burst damage in a stun window. Pressure is irrelevant if you cant close a kill on a target in 3-4 seconds.

[upbeat ice]

both of the builds still hit 300k in burst windows

[elfin surge]

1 mortal strike does more damage than skullsplitter

u guys kappin

[upbeat ice]

^

[flat dome]

I'd love to see these 300k sks screenshots

[left laurel]

I believe the gospels of MUD

🙏

[green wyvern]

sks is garbage

[maiden crag]

Lmao Mud in here preaching the good word

[high creek]

@elfin surge are you just rocking the spear speec from last patch?

[torpid prawn]

guys im dying, what is this SKS build you guys are talking about

am i missing out?!

[quaint snow]

meme build or smth

[left laurel]

So I’m swapping from M+ grind to PVP grind and I’m not quite sure what to spend my conq on. I have the 418 Wep and the crafted boots as my embellished items aswell as shoulder and helm being raid gear. I was thinking next week swap the wep for conq and then craft the helm. However should I just slowly drop drakebreakers for the conq gear or keep the 408 drake for a while. Ain’t no way am I upgrading the drake stuff

[maiden crag]

You're not missing out. Just it seems semi-viable atm in SS.

[torpid prawn]

ah got it, okay.

[quaint snow]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-meme-gif-25326537

[wheat canopy]

If you runnin' sks build. What % crit/haste are you aiming for?

[barren vale]

SKS is the new 2m Chaos Bolt

[torpid prawn]

lmaoo

ya'll running the build personally?

[wheat canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dunno-i-dunno-man-i-dont-know-i-dont-know-man-gif-24406025

[high creek]

it feels good, but i also think hitting 100k MS and execute is good haha

[torpid prawn]

haha

[wheat canopy]

came here to figure out.
Getting "same-shit" vibe

[torpid prawn]

im just running some random build hoping i rank above combat II

[high creek]

arms in a great spot thats for sure

[torpid prawn]

but i love ignore pain

been a fury player for some time so arms feels "different"

[elfin surge]

arms
fury

[agile trench]

Sophic devotion on weapon?

[torpid prawn]

lmao hence why i switched. but you can't tell me fury wasn't fun. and the self healing was ridiculous

[barren vale]

Do you ever take bitter ordeal? It's only 20% but a self purge and more survival to not flop is nice.

[elfin surge]

not rly

[coral axle]

yeah idk after trying SKS I feel like its pretty whack unless every single dot crits

then you fuck em

[elfin surge]

skullsplitter are baby numbers

mortal strike big number

[barren vale]

MS is love

[coral axle]

cant argue with that

[maiden crag]

Peak patch is when MS is the only ability on my bar. Now that's gaming.

[barren vale]

Gotta at least have OP and Ex to pump the MS even further beyond

[full quiver]

Is that shanex

[maiden crag]

Lmao.

[barren vale]

Lvl 11 Troll Hunter huh

[wheat canopy]

delicious tears

[maiden crag]

Yeah troll account because they are too scared to post on their main.

[red dagger]

what do you guys think about the new onslaught on fury?

[maiden crag]

Could you say we're.... overpowered?

[glossy sable]

Blizzard will give in to the crying. Expect some form of nerf next week or the week after.

[fair tide]

These people don't play the game enough to form a valid opinion, it's annoying

[maiden crag]

Fury? In this PvP channel in the year of our lord 2023?

[smoky anchor]

IDK. Last night my teams still got merc'd by MM hunter burst and WW monks spamming FoF every 15 seconds

[warm portal]

Casual 60k FoF ticks

[modern grail]

WW is so cancerous

[red dagger]

lol listen man - I love arms, but thought I would mix it up for a bit this week

[smoky anchor]

FoF into disarm is like 12 seconds of zero damage to the monk

then they port away

[modern grail]

if you just explained the ability and didn't talk about dam it sounds like a 1.5 min CD. but they get it every 15 seconds lmao

[smoky anchor]

do 3 laps around the arena with their jumps

[glossy sable]

Speaking of Fury, does Hack and Slash have an unlisted interaction with Annihilator, or is this point in the pinned talents useless?

[smoky anchor]

I'm not sure if it's ACTUALLY 15 seconds, but it is far far far lower than 1.5m

[modern grail]

25 or something but it feels constant

[maiden crag]

Sometimes we have to go back to our roots to have an appreciation of how far we've gotten. Our prophet Ignore Pain will be anticipating your return.

[torpid prawn]

lmao

[red dagger]

lols

[smoky anchor]

IP has been great. i just spam it on CD. I'll probably bind it to OP soon but also keep it on it's own bind.

[modern grail]

nah I'm farming freelo to 1800 for the mog before blizz can bop us back down

[grand scaffold]

werent you like the first person to swap to fury last expansion

🤣

[torpid prawn]

i mean ignore pain is great but it's not OP as the folks crying make it out to be

[smoky anchor]

nobody is crying that it's op

[torpid prawn]

oh folks are outside of arms

[smoky anchor]

ppl are crying forums that arms is overtuned cause they get smacked by a 120k execute followed by a 170k ms 1s later

[grand scaffold]

why

its like not that good

its a 50k bubble and we take 50% of the dmg

[torpid prawn]

i know, that's what i'm saying

[turbid ember]

Take 100k damage to block 50k

[grand scaffold]

^

its meh

[fair tide]

Them not understanding how many gcds it takes to setup a heavy hitting MS is the annoying part

[grand scaffold]

if anybody fusses about ignore pain they need to be ignored

[torpid prawn]

bruh that's what i miss about fury. n oset up

just mongo

[turbid ember]

Kite the warrior, the rule has been the same since vanilla

[grand scaffold]

im going fury as soon as i get conq uncapped

[smoky anchor]

it is without a doubt close to infinitely harder to kite a warrior now than it was in vanilla

[grand scaffold]

ngl

[torpid prawn]

you switching over to fury?

[grand scaffold]

skullsplitter CAN truck

[woeful solstice]

honestly think we can bind IP to OP

[grand scaffold]

its not that good

[woeful solstice]

i never run out of rage

[grand scaffold]

as soon as i can

im much better at it

i like ramming into people

[waxen oasis]

Sks still good without haste?

[grand scaffold]

with arms you cant totally do that

[woeful solstice]

im running sks with crit build

[late nacelle]

sks itself

[woeful solstice]

feels fine

[late nacelle]

benefits 0

from haste

[woeful solstice]

yeah dont go haste with sks

makes no sense

[torpid prawn]

same. i feel like im much better at it, but arm is consistently top tier so im trying to stick through it and learn

[smoky anchor]

warrior just had intercept in vanilla, also roots did not have a dr in vanilla

[waxen oasis]

Alright I’m on crit will try it out

[woeful solstice]

i think if u go haste the rend build is better

but for big crit burst i like sks + executioner build a lot

[grand scaffold]

i think regular ms build is prob best

sks not bad

not best either

[tribal nimbus]

What is sks?

[woeful solstice]

been trying this out

[woeful solstice]

skullsplitter

[late nacelle]

wot

sks without rend

[woeful solstice]

yes

[late nacelle]

what crack did you smoke

[smoky anchor]

why would you do skullsplitter without rend and the talent right below it

[late nacelle]

and where do i get it

[woeful solstice]

im trying it

keyword

trying

[late nacelle]

dont

try it

failed in concept

[smoky anchor]

try to allocate 2 talent points to those two talents

at the very least move one over to rend

[turbid ember]

Okay, let's run with it. What did you give up rend for?

[woeful solstice]

blegh i hate pressing rend

[late nacelle]

ur sks

is missing

[woeful solstice]

executioners precision

[late nacelle]

100k+ dmg

[woeful solstice]

yeah

i know

[grand scaffold]

then you cant play sks

[torpid prawn]

damn

[grand scaffold]

you can play whatever spec you want

[torpid prawn]

i'm sorry nihil.

you put yourself out there

[grand scaffold]

but you have to play that spec correctly

[torpid prawn]

and you got trucked

by the goonsquad

[woeful solstice]

lmao im not actually running this build in 3s, i am trying it in skirms

[turbid ember]

Maybe he's looking at it as a slam replacement?

[woeful solstice]

i am

[grand scaffold]

bruh cut that social media cancellation out

its solid advice we giving

[late nacelle]

yeh

[woeful solstice]

its just a weird experimental build which is why i posted it haha

[torpid prawn]

woah woah

[late nacelle]

rend is the slam replacement

[torpid prawn]

im just messing around

[woeful solstice]

yeah makes sense

[crimson onyx]

Any set piece prio?

[late nacelle]

guys

i was just pretending

[woeful solstice]

slam still feels AWFUL even with improved slam

[late nacelle]

to be stupid

its ok

[woeful solstice]

hahaha

[late nacelle]

literally

dont keybind slam

[fair tide]

Rend hits harder

[woeful solstice]

slam definitely seems like a no-use case for pvp

[woeful solstice]

i know its crazy

[smoky anchor]

Get rid of fueld by vioelnce and also get rid of unhinged

drop the crit talent on the right side too

get rend, bloodletting, and bloodborne

[woeful solstice]

this is pretty much what im running for main build

[torpid prawn]

i haven't played slam in years. do any legit pvp builds even use it

[smoky anchor]

no

[woeful solstice]

this is my main build rn

i like unhinged too much to let it go