pvp

[tardy flame]

I'm keen to play with roar. Spear can feel pretty bad sometimes

Other times it's the greatest thing in the world

[magic vessel]

this is what i want to know

[brazen rock]

cuz spear is tilting and roar slaps now

[clever fern]

no more crit build then?

[brazen rock]

nah still crit

imo

its day 1 theres no meta yet

[high star]

where ignore pain

ook

[brazen rock]

ook ook.

[quick carbon]

I think sweeping strikes talent into cleaves is busted beyond belief

88% uptime lmao

[barren vale]

am I bad at math or is 21s active and 30s cd 70%?

[left laurel]

Any chance of Fury returning for PVP or is Arms still king

[fair tide]

whats your build for troar?

[coral axle]

arms will very likely be better but fury should be just fine if u wanna play it

[left laurel]

I just PVE fury so playing arms in pvp is a bit rough haha

I'm at 1400 rating hardstuck

The parry just seems way too good to go fury

[coral axle]

honestly I think fury is gonna be a serious noob stomper now

it's main weakness is that it doesn't have spike damage outside of CDs so good healers can deal with it easy

but in low ratings im pretty sure it doesnt matter and ur just gonna roll people over

all while being much easier to play and hard to actually mess up ur damage

[thick reef]

def will be

[worn yoke]

I feel like ignore pain has fixed arms

Has anyone tried the talent that extends but weakens your colossus smash?

[left laurel]

Still getting used to a new button to press but seems op

(I am dumb)

[rancid granite]

i hope shockwave becomes meta

[slim crater]

quick question. I have the crimson gladiator polearm (vers + mastery). I have enough to buy the sword with crit, but wondering if I'd be better off spending to upgrade my trinkets/rings/neck first

[barren vale]

so what does a crit build without bleeds looks like?

[left laurel]

Need me some mud to guide me to salvation for talents

[barren vale]

like I just don't want to play builds

[modern grail]

his build is pinned in his stream. i kept getting filtered for posting it tho

twitchcom mudcx

[oak heath]

yo overpower got hands

[barren vale]

Here is Mud's build

[oak heath]

hey thats the build i've been using

it feels really nice

[modern grail]

the one i saw he took 1 out of Wild Strikes for Piercing Verdict

[oak heath]

^

Yeah idk why you wouldnt do that every time

[fair tide]

pika is trying to snipe your build @elfin surge

lol

[left laurel]

ty

[barren vale]

that's what he currently has on. I think a different build is what is pinned

he is still testing things

basically all crit, no bleeds. Rend is there because it hits harder than Slam and is filler.

is what he said

[modern grail]

the fact that the initial rend hits harder than slam is just.. incredible, frankly

[oak heath]

Maybe not with imp slam but then you have to take imp slam

[grand scaffold]

idk why people say its iots 88%

bit hilarious

[barren vale]

it is baffling lol

[modern grail]

maybe it's cause BiS is sword instead of mace

[barren vale]

you could spend 3 points and Slam would be mildy better than your other filler skill-

[oak heath]

its also 10 more rage so its just more viable for tactician procs as well

[barren vale]

that is just poor value

crushing force should be a single point for the whole node

slam is that underwhelming

[slim crater]

any thoughts on buy glad crit wpn or upgrade rings/trinkets/neck

[left laurel]

What do you reccomend to prio for pvp gear if you don't upgrade drakebreakers?

[tribal nimbus]

Weapon

[slim crater]

even though I have glad mastery wpn? Just want to be clear

[oak heath]

i wouldnt personally

it you already have one

[tribal nimbus]

Mmmm then get the other stuff

Pray for it in vault

[slim crater]

been doing that for weeks, just like everyone else

I've not been living clean I guess :/

[grand scaffold]

slam build rn

or nah

[barren vale]

I think nah

too many points to make it just okay, and it is still your 4th priority press

[robust osprey]

do you guys run bitter immunity vs sin rogues?

[oak heath]

yes

[grand scaffold]

is bleed build best now?

[oak heath]

sin is about to be absolutely nuts

[worn yoke]

I thought fatality was heavily nerfed in pvp. Did that change with this patch?

[grand scaffold]

no

its still good

[worn yoke]

Ty

[fair tide]

need to test more, but dwarves are assholes for applying bleeds

[grand scaffold]

is anybody having long solo shuffle ques atm?

thought they would be fast af

[fair tide]

I just got a queue, got in the game, 10 secs later someone afk'd

[grand scaffold]

i just hope they arent on my team when that happens

[robust osprey]

17 min queue win 1 round and someone leaves

pain

I did just DC tho so maybe it was servers

[worthy fern]

Healers seem to be in my games at way lower mmr which may be their solution to faster queues

My qs are like 5-15 min rn

[full bay]

what is the best build for arms in solo shuffle :o
im noob

[grand scaffold]

try this

as of rn nobody knows

[spice hornet]

What class were you playing befor? Just curious

[full bay]

arms only ever lol

[spice hornet]

Ok good, just making sure you weren’t a ret/dh fotm

[stark agate]

Yall arms in pvp is the wave

[coral axle]

damn we really get every talent now

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge what build you running now for arms

[stark agate]

Fatality unhinged and exe prescision in one build is too much imo lmao

[coral axle]

so what's the benefit of warbreaker over blunt instruments? doesn't sweeping strikes accomplish the same thing?

[spice hornet]

we only ran it before because that talent row was dead

but since slands dont need it cause ye u can SS it and for the most part people arent gonna be standing next to each other like that

[coral axle]

thats what I was thinking so I've just been sticking to blunt instruments, wasn't sure if I missed something

[rose phoenix]

wait. so if you put a pvp piece in the catalyst it loses the vers?

[spice hornet]

mage blinks your warbreaker

[flat dome]

Bitter immunity is trash

[spice hornet]

yeah it is

if it doesnt cleanse bleeds then its dogsht

[brazen rock]

its a direct copy of the tier piece.

But it scales with rating

rather

srry

it scales up to pvp ilvl

[rose phoenix]

yea i saw that, but is it worth it to lose the vers?

[brazen rock]

for 2 set yes

4 set ehhh probably but its not as big

[rose phoenix]

it would make 4 for me

but idk how big of a difference arms 2 v 4 piece is

[mild thunder]

general consensus seems to be that its worth

all but gloves have vers on them anyway, so you're not losing much

chest, shoulders and pants all maintain really good stats

[cinder linden]

catalyst

where is it now?

[mild thunder]

do the quests

[cinder linden]

kk

gotta find lol

[cloud veldt]

Does anyone macro ignore pain to anything?

[mild thunder]

me

[cloud veldt]

with an 11 CD, does it make sense to do that?

[mild thunder]

absolutely

not

[rose phoenix]

the gloves are crit/mast

[brazen rock]

top of seat of the aspects.

[cinder linden]

thank you

[brazen rock]

for quest start.

[mild thunder]

yep, that is what i said

[brazen rock]

go do world boss for 50% completion.

[brazen rock]

all :BUT: the gloves.

[mild thunder]

[limpid fog]

pvp craft helm or tier piece in vault ?

[rose phoenix]

i read that wrong...my bad,

[mild thunder]

lol allg, i held back the R word because im happy today

[limpid fog]

I have wep already , arms

[grand scaffold]

holy shit arms feels amazing

[brazen rock]

dw ill slam the hard R soon

[grand scaffold]

im going into a lobby with hunter, devoker, and demo

[mild thunder]

hardest of Rs

[brazen rock]

(not that hard R you racists)

[grand scaffold]

and coming out with 4 wins

[mild thunder]

no no, thats only for private use

[brazen rock]

[grand scaffold]

defo not op tho

can still die

[limpid fog]

any insight at all ?

[grand scaffold]

yes

playarms

[limpid fog]

im arms yep , wondering what to choose from vault

[spice hornet]

any1 have an usefull or good macros for learning arms this patch? plz n ty

[brazen rock]

4 set for arms is ehh

[grand scaffold]

is rend even worth taking like tbh warbringer does more dmg

[limpid fog]

so pvp crafted helm will suffice

[grand scaffold]

with full uptime

[brazen rock]

crafted helm is free 4k dps or some shit

[brazen rock]

yes

[grand scaffold]

do i need bloodborne?

[brazen rock]

its a better rage dump then slam

no

but if you wanna play with roar, take bloodborne

[grand scaffold]

remove slam from bars?

[brazen rock]

imo yes

[mild thunder]

can use it to kill totems

[brazen rock]

just reupp rend

[mild thunder]

but thats it

[grand scaffold]

cant rend kill totems too?

[spice hornet]

no

[mild thunder]

nope, it's illegal

actually, i execute totems

i colossus smash totems

[spice hornet]

real chad warrs just ignore totems

[grand scaffold]

not even the initial dmg?

[modern grail]

well idk why but upgrading drakebreakers is not deducting strife from my bags rn

[brazen rock]

skyfury? healer problem

MUST ZUGG

[spice hornet]

nah its like immune to rend

its dumb

[mild thunder]

only totem i kill is cap totem because it actually affects me

[spice hornet]

fuk killing totems and psyfiend thats my affy locks problem

[grand scaffold]

is bitter immunity wroth running?

[spice hornet]

nah

[grand scaffold]

its still a 20% heal

[spice hornet]

its shit imo

[modern grail]

what do you swap unhinged vs pets?

[spice hornet]

too much damp in 2s/shuffle

[brazen rock]

better points elsewhere.

[grand scaffold]

i dont atm

[brazen rock]

our tree is stacked now

[grand scaffold]

i dont understand the talent build

[grand scaffold]

like where

[modern grail]

was gonna say, couldn't find anything tempting to take

[proven maple]

You can dispel hex on yourself with bitter immunity. So yes!!!!

[kindred flame]

id rather have 30 second reduced CD of troar than bitter immun

[smoky anchor]

HMMM

[mild thunder]

into very niche stuff its ok imo

[grand scaffold]

maybe go hurricane

[mild thunder]

can break hexes, or remove wound poison

[grand scaffold]

i dont run troar

i run spear

[smoky anchor]

avoidance greatbelt or take the weappon? I'm currently using cq polearm

[grand scaffold]

much better

[pearl prism]

So put ignore pain on macro with main abilities I guess?

[kindred flame]

well a lot are running roar to test

[storm slate]

didnt they change something to do with roar in pvp now?

[grand scaffold]

take the waepon

[mild thunder]

avoidance is a deadstat

[cursive pike]

so is BIS 4 set everything but the helm?

[smoky anchor]

ok

[grand scaffold]

avoidance doesnt work in pvp

[mild thunder]

idek if it carries into pvp

[proven maple]

Tertiary doesn’t work in arena

[grand scaffold]

doesnt

:/

[cursive pike]

take weapon for when fury becomes meta 🙂

[smoky anchor]

oh okay that makes it easy then

[proven maple]

Someday fury bois.

[grand scaffold]

fury is good

play it if you want

[mild thunder]

no

[grand scaffold]

arms just better i think

[smoky anchor]

im gonna plya fury on this new patch. just for fun in ss

[spice hornet]

[grand scaffold]

once conq gets uncapped im going fury

not now tho

[spice hornet]

i thought they were gonnna uncap it

@wheat jay lied to me

[proven maple]

Well for the solo shuff rating on each spec maybe >>

Would have made sense to uncap it with catalyst

[mild thunder]

as if you'd believe Artji

idk i dont think they care about uncapping conq much anymore

i doubt that we'll even get conq boxes this season since gearing is so easy

[grand scaffold]

i dont think its really even needed tbh

wouldnt care if they werent added

but still nice

fury pumps what the shit

did 2x my dmg

[smoky anchor]

wait wait

@mild thunder you like wlt better than bmt

bmt is so kino with unhingede

[proven maple]

Onslaught did get a buff. Might be able to use in pvp now

[mild thunder]

yep

[true rose]

Viable comps for 2v2?

[tired venture]

Anyone got a link to an updated arms pvp build i can import?

[smoky anchor]

healer/arms

[tired venture]

icy/wowhead seem broken, atleast for me

[versed rover]

Looking for a pvp string for Fury. I dont like playing Arms

[grizzled knoll]

does anyone play prot in pvp?

[versed rover]

I ran into one

I Killed him after a while through diminishing return

[mild thunder]

you have to pay me to use BmT

just feels so awkward

[stark agate]

53k warbringer crit into 93k mortal strike crit xddd

[smoky anchor]

nah first bladestorm gets their defensives, you still get two fatty unhinged in it

[near delta]

How is ip?

[smoky anchor]

then you follow up with a avatar for bladestorm again

so the avg queue time i see now is the queue time for dps?

or is it still the overall average healers included

[cursive pike]

what is BIS 4 set... everything but helm?

[mild thunder]

i am running BmT in rbgs tho

[smoky anchor]

8% haste 😔

[mild thunder]

with TRoar

[tired venture]

Can anyone link their arms pvp build?

[smoky anchor]

ahhhh shit ss queue popped it's go time baby

inb4 i still get popped by a fucking ret pally

[urban skiff]

jealous, servers still not up EU

guess I'll go to work stupid early and leave early as well

[lament sapphire]

with the new buffs to arms, how far ahead of fury does it place in terms of fury?

[cursive pike]

should i get the shoulders or gloves tier set this week

[hazy isle]

Ret looks pretty bad rn

From watching vanguards

[steel trout]

11 am it comes up i think

[urban skiff]

with vault or with catalyst?

[cursive pike]

catalyst

[marsh wharf]

rogues take single digit IQs to play right now holy

[urban skiff]

I'd save charges for next week in case vault to get 4-set

[marsh wharf]

these dudes load poisens and kite like the most brain dead spec

[smoky anchor]

ya facts

[urban skiff]

Then I'm below single digit IQ

[smoky anchor]

we really

really

crush dks now

like holy eff

[urban skiff]

what in particular makes us crush them? Their nerfs or our buffs?

[smoky anchor]

our buffs

i smashed this dk in the opener every single round

nabbed a kill each time too

[thick reef]

The burst is absurd

[urban skiff]

how do arms burst?

I find myself stumbling over all the cooldowns and just go back to fury where 1-button macro can do 90% of the work.

[thick reef]

Trinket + Avatar + col smash + thunderous roar + mortal strike + execute

[urban skiff]

no spear?

[thick reef]

After the roar buff?

[idle cliff]

How do set pieces work for PvP? Can you use conquest gear and have it become a higher ilvl in pvp?

[quick carbon]

idk wots better rn

[thick reef]

The fuck are you talking about.

[urban skiff]

if you catalyst a pvp item it will keep the scaling in pvp and you can upgrade it with honor

[thick reef]

4 piece set bonus works in pvp
The item says what its pvp ilvl is

[idle cliff]

Thanks

[thick reef]

Upgrading doesnt effect pvp ilvl

[idle cliff]

Yeah I forgot to throw the word catalyst in my initial question, I can see why it's confusing 😂

Too early boys, my bad

[bright stream]

hows patch day SS going team?

broken mess?

[worthy fern]

Yes

It’s not that bad

Healers queueing into higher rated games than they should be which is making queue a bit faster but you can def tell they are worse

At least I’m my experience

[smoky anchor]

eh i don't mind that as long as i get better matches

it'll even out in the end

healers should have their own rating anyway imo

[hidden zodiac]

is fury still good? after playing arms i feel better with fury

[smoky anchor]

play what u find fun

[urban skiff]

good at what?

if all you do is solo shuffle you might be worse off than arms, but at the same time no other melee is on arms' level so you'll still be top predator

[hidden zodiac]

i run 2s sometimes 3s...idk its cuz i have more experience on fury but arms just didnt feel right

maybe im not playing it right idk

[left laurel]

I play fury PVE and learning arms for pvp was def the play

took a while tho

[urban skiff]

that's how i feel, I'm hoping ignore pain will make it feel right again or I'll just be perpetual fury

[hidden zodiac]

i die way too quick as arms

was running ele/arms earlier and got melted

[urban skiff]

ignore pain will fix that

[oak heath]

How are you guys liking the bleed build?

[limpid fog]

so whats the new build lads

[worthy fern]

@urban skiff ignore pain doesn’t feel all that insane to me

Still dying

It’s a bit better

[limpid fog]

we always taking rend now or nah

[oak heath]

Yeah its not gonna save you vs a lot of burst setups but it'll HELP over the course of a longer match which I think is nice

[hidden zodiac]

^it doesnt seem as op as everyone makes it out to be

cant even get to those long matches cuz i get melted...fury i stay alive a lot longer

[urban skiff]

you use IP instead of slam, essentially on cooldown

it's no an o-shit button

[lean burrow]

52k absorb from ignore pain

we will get nerfed

[worthy fern]

I know how to use

Played with it all of slands

[urban skiff]

absolutely, especially because we can stay in dstance and still do shit

[smoky anchor]

did destro get buffed

[worthy fern]

With how much dmg goes out it lasts like 3 seconds

[smoky anchor]

dont take it then take storm of sword

ip is useless 🤷‍♂️

[worthy fern]

I haven’t decided yet

It’s def not useless

[oak heath]

IP vs casters, storm wall vs double melee imo

IP vs rot

[smoky anchor]

nah always ip

[worthy fern]

Haven’t played enough to figure out yet

But it didn’t make the immortal god I remember being in slands

[coral axle]

I think it got a few talent changes, IIRC chaos bolt should be doing 10-20% more damage total

Idk if they have to give up anything for it tho

[oak heath]

I was catching chaos bolts earlier like it was my fucking job

[limpid fog]

anyone got a link to new unhinged build ?

[coral axle]

It's been a dogshit spell so far this xpack

Ur happy if it hits 60k

Barely does more than incin

[oak heath]

2x spear capstone and torment, unhinged, fatality, battlelord, sharpen, precision

[limpid fog]

are we bothering with rend now ?

[oak heath]

it is a better option than slam

[urban skiff]

ain't gonna slam when i have IP anyways

[tired venture]

people running roar over spear now?

[oak heath]

i personally dont like roar/sks but

[urban skiff]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAPBVFUVEEYUEQphQRBQOVVFRURUJRCRVARCQA

idk this is hard

[oak heath]

just got dc'd. never gonna get a queue

😔

[urban skiff]

feels like if we go rend we should go TC for aoe rend

[oak heath]

rend was previously for tactician procs

[mild mango]

not usin blunt instruments anymore?

[mild thunder]

no BI? 🤨

[urban skiff]

lmao

yeah i forgot something

don't listen to me, i have rocks in my head

[sharp meteor]

every shuffle bout to be a male human or belf ret going 0-6 while cursing everybody

[limpid fog]

i been using warbreaker

bgs

[oak heath]

idk why you wouldnt use warbreaker in most cases given our chance to cleave typically

[modern grail]

sweeping and smash line up p well

[mild thunder]

because its a waste... just ss

warbreaker is good in super niche situations and rbgs

but most of the time its a cheap waste because people are too lazy to sweep/are scared they'll miss it

like bajheera

[oak heath]

idk, I like Warbreaker, Mud takes warbreaker

Whatever works for you

[mild thunder]

warbreaker is also way more obvious than colsmash and is more likely to get you disarmed

[brazen rock]

IP is more than just a defensive.

[oak heath]

if you're running unhinged/spear idk why you wouldn't

[mild thunder]

<1800 or so people will definitely disarm you less on BI

[brazen rock]

its an off GCD rage dump.

[mild thunder]

because you just sweep the colsmash

get 3 more seconds of cs for free and more damage

[lean burrow]

what do you guys bind ignore pain to?

[modern grail]

rend

[oak heath]

usually a keybind

[mild thunder]

everything

[limpid fog]

rockband drums

[lean burrow]

i use flight sim wheel to press it

[limpid fog]

perfect bind

[coral axle]

Foot pedal

[smoky anchor]

i don't think i'd macro it to anything but if i did

[coral axle]

Gas pedal is my swifty macro brake pedal is IP

[smoky anchor]

i'd put it on op

the worst would be that you want to ms and ip uses up your rage. maybe you can put it after ms

[oak heath]

shift 4

[mild thunder]

no just dont

please

[smoky anchor]

hahaha shift 4

[mild thunder]

macro

IP to anything

[oak heath]

what's wrong with shift 4 bro

[smoky anchor]

personally i currently have it bound to alt+6

[mild thunder]

bajheera did it and it became a meme, but it's an objectively horrible decision

[lean burrow]

bis macro

[oak heath]

this man laughed at shift 4 and said alt 6

[mild thunder]

bind it to Q like me

[modern grail]

tbh if you were gonna macro it the OP is the move when fishing for MS resets

[smoky anchor]

ya bmt without spear sucks ballz

[lean burrow]

alt f4 is parry

[smoky anchor]

going wlt kino only

[oak heath]

using wasd

[lean burrow]

Q is for interrupt

[mild thunder]

f2 is for interrupt

[oak heath]

mousewheel down for kick, up for hamstring

[smoky anchor]

f2

r u an alien

[modern grail]

ima put it on my charge/hammy macro

[lean burrow]

too far from wasd

[oak heath]

no, i've had kick bound to MWD for like 10 years

[mild thunder]

f2 is my mouse button tho

[oak heath]

shit's QUICK boi

[mild thunder]

MWD is mortal strike

[smoky anchor]

hahah

[lean burrow]

mousewheel down execute

[smoky anchor]

i used to use mwd and mwu before spellqueueing was a thing

[coral axle]

Mwu for kick gang

[lean burrow]

L for sLam

[modern grail]

its Q for qick

[oak heath]

here's where the men are separated from the boys

what's your charge bound to

[modern grail]

wow same stupid joke at the same time lmao

[lean burrow]

ctrl-0 for dstance

[smoky anchor]

e. charge is e. need that quick boy right next to w

[modern grail]

C for Charge, ez

[coral axle]

Charge/hamstring is on one of my two side mouse buttons

[sleek warren]

C

[modern grail]

E for Execute. no cap

[oak heath]

Charge is 3 for me

[smoky anchor]

the only time my finger comes off W is to hit E

[modern grail]

what that pointer finger doing

[smoky anchor]

diddling my little peepee

wow u really put a defensive that you're going to want to press often onto shift 4

CTRL 3?!?!

[oak heath]

my mouse keys modify shift and ctrl

[smoky anchor]

oh ok

[oak heath]

so its pretty fast

[native thunder]

Mwd IP

E charge

Mwu intervene. @ me lol

[smoky anchor]

if you are going to not use WAD to move around

[oak heath]

i use QWE strafe, S is sweeping strikes

[smoky anchor]

why wouldn't you just shift your movement over one more notch to wer instead

you don't need your pinky for shift and ctrl since it's on your mouse

[coral axle]

People using F keys for binds confuses me, seems like such a reach

Guess it's keyboard specific

[smoky anchor]

well

[oak heath]

my hand is absolutely massive

[smoky anchor]

years of using f makes me move around with my pink, ring, and middle fingers

[oak heath]

my priest uses like y, h, b and j

[lean burrow]

f# keys are half the size of normal keys for me

[smoky anchor]

pointer free to press a ton of shit

[lean burrow]

[lapis torrent]

Deciding what to buy this week, what do you guys think of badge vs insig? I think i prefer insignia but i kinda want that crit badge

for extra cheek clapping mortal strikes

[smoky anchor]

i would use f keys only for like focus targets or something

[coral axle]

Using J as a bind is some goon shit

[lean burrow]

badge and macro it with cs

[coral axle]

I've stopped using H much even

[smoky anchor]

healers being so much lower rating in ss

makes me want to focus them

[oak heath]

it's just because I've been playing games with QER long before mouse modifiers, the muscle memory far too strong at this stage, plus my pinky controls tab, ~ and the volume for my rage mix

[lean burrow]

i use J for healthstones

[oak heath]

Jealthstone

[modern grail]

most logical warrior main

[coral axle]

Yeah for some random one-off bind I guess I can see it, pretty crazy tho

[oak heath]

what's odd is that

i'll use like g, t, b, y, h, j on some classes but on all my binds across every char, I won't use 5 at all

5 hurts my brain hemispheres

[modern grail]

5 bad. same

[lean burrow]

5 for sharpen

5harpen

[coral axle]

That's me with 6, I just don't use it anymore

[smoky anchor]

letting a dh just free slap u without hitting them

is kinda like letting a destro lock free cast

[modern grail]

i don't go past t or g playing WAD. those are just to the side a bit. diagonal though? nty

[smoky anchor]

anyone else get that vibe

[modern grail]

1000% f dh players

won't stand for it

[oak heath]

They definitely changed something. Ppl are saying like 1500 healers are getting put into higher tier lobbies now

[sharp meteor]

mouse button

i like mouse buttons for short cds

but not spammable stuff

[smoky anchor]

just had a round of ss

rogue evasion right away

i started salivating cause i didn't pop anything yet

then he got pain supp

still didn't pop anything

salivating even harder, erection growing

[lean burrow]

then teammate died?

[smoky anchor]

hahahha

no they were focusing me and i somehow lived through a dh and rogue

anyway i survived with parry shit and rogue died in first burst

[oak heath]

dk blew two grips on me before I ever used a charge or leap, his healer ran behind a pillar to top up

[idle cliff]

What area is the strife quest in this week?

[limpid fog]

can the catalyst work on pvp pieces that i pick up this week or nah

I see drakebreaker is eligible for tier

nvm im clearly R , cheers

[smoky anchor]

did fof cd get reduced

[lean burrow]

each rsk reduces cd by 4 sec

[smoky anchor]

frost mage dmg profile

really cracked against unholy dk

[torpid nexus]

fury pvp talents can any1 export the talents to run with in 2s

[oak heath]

emerald communion can be used while blinded

[agile aspen]

lol

prolly while feared too then?

[muted surge]

So it’s always usable and you can’t interrupt it no matter what?

[oak heath]

this patch is wacky af

[smoky anchor]

new world pvp spot

revival catalyst

[copper hare]

4p gamer

[oak heath]

if I get disarmed one more time I'm going to lose it

[smoky anchor]

i've had ww monk in i think literally all of my lobbies tonight

[proper sequoia]

Is the tier set thingy out yet?

[limpid fog]

yee

[smoky anchor]

between disarm and fof

[proper sequoia]

Where's it at?

[smoky anchor]

so hard to hit them

[limpid fog]

quest is on top of platform

[proper sequoia]

Just got my first tier set ❤️

[limpid fog]

in val

[lean burrow]

does ring of fire hit you if you are in the center?

like ring of frost doesn't hit in the center

[mild thunder]

no

[idle cliff]

Did they remove the strife vendor?

[dark shuttle]

any arms warr pvper to watch to learn?

[lethal niche]

where i can find new talents please?

[placid marlin]

Do the fury buffs to anni, onslaught, rampage etc also apply to pvp? or does only changes stated under pvp affect pvp?

[proper sequoia]

Yeah wtf how do I exchange strifes now?

Was gonna buy chest

[idle cliff]

I can't find the vendor either

[pure hornet]

Mud

[proper sequoia]

https://gyazo.com/3cb48a9d506f080bef70e7b96c9e0112

it's with the upgrade guy

[idle cliff]

Oh, love me some unannounced changes that no one asked for lol

[smoky anchor]

ya whatever they did to monk

they are fucking insane right now

[muted surge]

should i run double dps trinket for the leech

[lapis torrent]

285k mortal strike on a pvp dummy without 4 set

And now a 292k

[placid marlin]

Frick me, get second weapon for eventual fury play or get a ring from the vault

[mild thunder]

what build are you running

[green wyvern]

pvp dummy is a meme

[lapis torrent]

Pretty standard unhinged build with EP

that hit is never gonna happen in a game, but im bored in lfg

[mild thunder]

huh, pretty big numbers, even on dummy

highest i remember hitting on dummy was 230k

but now we lost improved ms, so we're shit

[oak heath]

4set prob

just a never ending loop of pain

4set RSK hits mega hard

[mystic barn]

have u eaten a fistweaver rsk

I swear it does more than wws

[gentle horizon]

any 10.0.5 talent builds?

[mild thunder]

no

[stark agate]

just do the build that has fatality, unhinged, and executioners precision

[violet fossil]

anybody trying an all bleed build

[past dune]

Well the only piece of conq gear im missing is the chest piece and im trying to find a new fury build to try out

[muted surge]

Fury

[past dune]

🤣

[oak heath]

rating unchanged on a 4-2

😔

[past dune]

That happened to me as well I won 4/6 no rating change

[oak heath]

The top of the screen said Won: 3 but the scoreboard said won 4

So I wonder if it's not counting the last win or something

B0rked patch tbh

[proper sequoia]

What do you guys think about haste vs mastery for arms?

[muted surge]

That mastery feels dog

[past dune]

for arms I think it would be vers mast then haste or crit

[proper sequoia]

increasing damage taken isn't so bad I think tbh

?

[mild thunder]

mastery isnt bad

its horrible

[muted surge]

Well with enough mastery

You can heal more with fbv

To outlive your enemies

[mild thunder]

mastery doesnt increase deep wounds

[muted surge]

Well kinda ?

It’s flat damange

[mild thunder]

more mastery only means more %dmg, deep wounds remains the same regardless of stat%

[muted surge]

And more mastery increases the dmg dealt

So more mastery = more dmg

More dmg = more healing

Or are deep wounds not affected by that

[mild thunder]

im not even sure if our bleeds behave with mastery that way

but even from a pure dps perspective, faster ticks from haste is a greater dps increase for bleeds

[muted surge]

Thats why haste mastery

Is thevwsy to go

[mild thunder]

maybe

if you're a cuck

i want 0% haste, 0% mastery, 50% crit

and im happy

[rustic grove]

Hello, what are the current stats for Fury ??

[agile aspen]

Arms

[silver holly]

sup dudes

i suppose you already discussed bleed vs ms builds in 10.0.5

did some1 already shuffled with it?

[proper sequoia]

Bajheera is in swinging atm

[red ether]

played a good chunk of games as arms. feels pretty dumb lol

[craggy quest]

with wich build Brisco ?

[red ether]

@craggy quest threw this together

rend is kind of a bait though, only press it if you have nothing else to press lol

[silver holly]

why the fuck did they made this talent its literally 20 rage to hit auto off cd

i guess i should take skullsplitter, atleast it does 20k+bleed damage

[red ether]

its pretty damn bad. i almost talented it because i dont want to press rend

[silver holly]

you can take skullsplitter for much more value i guess

[silver holly]

dunno about bloodletting and fatality, imo 2% overall crit brings more value

[clear spruce]

Why are they trying so hard to make slam good, its the most boring ability in the game

[silver holly]

if they up its damage like 100% baseline it would be viable

wait a sec

im fucking dying

with recent rend instant damage buff rend is actually does more instant damage than slam

[clear spruce]

[muted surge]

Didn’t it do that already

Without any slam talents

[silver holly]

dunno never played rend or slam

just tried it first time

in this expac

[dark moat]

should i get a conquest weapon first than conquest gear for arms?

[silver holly]

weapon ofc

[dark moat]

kk thought so

[silver holly]

then tier shoulders+chest

[dark moat]

the greatsword yeah?

[silver holly]

ye if you ask me

[low wind]

is there any good arms build for haste? wanna switch from fury to arms

[silver holly]

im 1700-1800 so not very good adviser

[craggy quest]

Yes, bleed build

[silver holly]

crit for blasting haste for bleeds i guess

[dark moat]

crit superior

hehe

[craggy quest]

We dont know yet

[dark moat]

in my opinion champion

hence the hehe

[dark moat]

as in more fun for me

[silver holly]

bajheera build

i wanna shuffle with ignore pain so bad but gotta work for the rest of the day 😢

always had trouble surviving tunnel from dk+dh/assrog/surv/bm

[placid marlin]

do these affect pvp too?

[silver holly]

ofc

these are general buffs

[placid marlin]

yeah ok, its just a bit vague sometimes when they make the pvp distinction

but it makes sense

[keen aurora]

is the trophy of strife vendor disable ?

i cant buy anything

[oak heath]

Yeah it is

[silver holly]

yesterday's crit on pvp manequen

[oak heath]

there was a tooltip bug on drakebreakers saying if u upgraded it with valor, its pvp ilvl would go up to like 476

[silver holly]

imagine that happen in actual shuffle

[oak heath]

so they might have disabled it for now

[mild thunder]

The bajheera build is kinda troll ngl… mans running blood surge and FbV

[violet fossil]

im messin around with a bleed build

its making me hot and bothered

[silver holly]

blood surge is shit but whats wrong with fbv?

[silver holly]

fuck real

[mild thunder]

It’s beyond horrible

[oak heath]

yeah it doesnt actually DO THAT btw

so dont waste it

it just says it does

[silver holly]

you think you do but you dont

btw

i think bloodsurge isnt that bad atm since we need extra rage for ignore pain and rend casts

[muted surge]

Does it actually go up to 470 tho

[violet fossil]

yes

[muted surge]

Sad

And yes, I can’t read

[mild thunder]

1 - bajheera doesnt run rend
2 - if you're having rage issues, you're fucking your rotation
3 - if rage issue, dont press rend. even with it, its low prio

unless you're balls-to-the-wall bleed build

[violet fossil]

das what im doing

its got me hot and bothered

[mild thunder]

bleed build is fun tbh

[violet fossil]

it so fun

[mild thunder]

its like feral, but bad

[silver holly]

how can you fuck your rotation in pvp on arms?

[mild thunder]

idk man, im not the one having problems with rage

probably over-prioritising rend, IPing at bad times, sitting on too many OP stacks etc

[silver holly]

i never played in new patch yet, i just assume we can have troubles

i never played rend either

[mild thunder]

if you're a supreme retard, then yea maybe. but no, you shouldnt have rage issues

[silver holly]

calm down dude

if you say so i gotta believe you for a moment

[green wyvern]

rend is trash

true or true

[muted surge]

Rend is the most fun button we can press

[mild thunder]

not true, true

[pure hornet]

Did the catalyst start?

[green wyvern]

yep true

waste of a global

[silver holly]

yes

[mild thunder]

im not saying you are a supreme retard. im saying the issue will only exist if you're a supreme retard

[violet fossil]

rend having a 30 rage cost feels bad

[oak heath]

then ba;ance druid is SHREDDING

[mild thunder]

rend feels fine tbh, it does a bit of damage, adds to your sustained pressure

which feels insanely good nbow

[pure hornet]

Oh thank god

[silver holly]

but maybe i am so im offended beforehand xD

im playing warrior so some kind of retardation is a given

[mild thunder]

you're an arms player

[muted surge]

Rend doesn’t feel bad tbh

[mild thunder]

we're all retards

[muted surge]

Better than overlapping

Capping

[mild thunder]

we're just slightly less retarded than fury players, so we feel good about ourselves

[vestal quail]

Can confirm I play fury and I’m a complete cretin

[stiff merlin]

boys whats the new build?

[oak heath]

every lobby is WW/Assassin

Pls

[violet fossil]

put all ur points in the slam talents

[mild thunder]

who can pin in this channel?

[stiff merlin]

ww good? i thought they getting melted still

[mild thunder]

need a new build pin or something

[stiff merlin]

^

till then mind sharing it? 🙂

[silver holly]

no dh?

you play on 2500+?

my lobby is dh/dk every game

[oak heath]

no no I'm low MMR

[silver holly]

[oak heath]

still learning

[mild thunder]

PM'd you

yea dh is pretty dead these days, they've switched to arms, uhdk or ret

[past dune]

Anyone can teach me how to improve as arms just switched to it

[silver holly]

hope they'll nerf them some more

[mild thunder]

im expecting some hard and fast arms nerfs

hopefully not our survivability, thats all i care about

[silver holly]

play it till you get gud, watch bajheera and do some lifting

[past dune]

I do Watch bajheera

[silver holly]

agreed

[oak heath]

I have really bad arena habits, especially in SS and I kinda freeze up sometimes on what to do. I don't usually die like I'm good at surviving, but I feel like my damage can be non-threatening sometimes

[silver holly]

do you lift?

[past dune]

No I’m out shape for now

[silver holly]

imagine my face i was shuffling for like a month now without knowing overpower buffs mortal

[violet fossil]

lol

[silver holly]

realised it yesterday

[oak heath]

You're 2500+??

What the fuck is wrong with me bro

[silver holly]

im 1700-1800

[oak heath]

LOL okay

Still tho

Higher than me

[silver holly]

im bad at landing spears

[craggy quest]

don t wait to have 2 overpower buffs to press MS my love

[stiff merlin]

wait dh arent op anymore?

[silver holly]

like 30% of all spears is a miss

[warm sigil]

I tought pvp ilvl weasnt uppgradable

[oak heath]

it isnt

[silver holly]

i wont but for the big pump damage i guess i should prepare

[warm sigil]

anyone tried fury?

[silver holly]

so that first strike after wb hits with 30% bonus dmg

[left laurel]

Saw some today, still felt like I smoked them as arms. Could’ve been shit tho I’m only ~1400

[silver holly]

since now i can play EP i should also track exec debuff on target so i wont waste it for low dmg mortal outside of burst window

cuz 35k noncrit and 150k crit are a big difference

[silver holly]

ive met 1850 udk who died 5 matches in a row

was one of the rare shuffle games where i won 5-1

[left laurel]

Arms low key felt super good today, idk if I’m just getting more used to pvp or what lol

Went 5-1 my last one of the night

[silver holly]

after i changed build from warlords to blademaster's ive got hyped too winning 2 games in a row 5-1

but then i got losestreak for like 3 or 4 games of 1-5 2-4 and then had a nice streak of 3/3 for like 6 games in a row

[left laurel]

I owe all my success to macro combining sharpen blade to overpower haha

[cobalt crystal]

I am unsure about the new talent set-up. Is my build here alright or should I change some of it?

[silver holly]

ive got it macroed into wb and avatar

but not into op

[feral heath]

Get 5% more dmg from 2h in the warrior tree

[silver holly]

im thining about something like this so you can apply pressure outside of burst windows

[cobalt crystal]

ohh right, thats what I missed xD, thanks Alfredsson, was wondering why I had 1 point left

[feral heath]

I would also not take the increase stam and shout talent unless i knew I was being targeted

[oak heath]

YOOOO

had a 5-1

[red condor]

I'm new to arms. Is Sharpened Blade off GCD?

[silver holly]

take improved fear for shuffle

[oak heath]

won the game off a spell reflected glacial spike

that felt good af

[silver holly]

something like this i think is the standard now

[oak heath]

yes

[past dune]

Yours look similar too mines

[silver holly]

i hope someday i'll win a game by reflecting elemental blast

[oak heath]

I reflected this rets HoJ on CD basically

[silver holly]

but i need wa or addon when ele casts it

[oak heath]

I felt like I had ultra instinct that game

now time to go 2-4 for my next 8 games

[silver holly]

win+shift+S bruh

[oak heath]

man whipped out the nokia

[violet fossil]

Boomer moment

[past dune]

I might mess around with dragon roar and thunderous roar and im being lazy didnt feel like switching threw apps on my laptop

[violet fossil]

lol just messing with ya

[past dune]

Nokia are op tho lol and I know

[feral heath]

Why not lose 1crit for fatality?

[violet fossil]

I’m running an all bleed build with dragon roar i like it so far

[past dune]

hows the bleed dmg doing

[violet fossil]

it’s actually doing damage

they’re sizable dots

dragon roar dot is massive

[past dune]

Especially if you have thunderous roar

[feral heath]

I can see bleed build in SS being good, but some comps in 3s just split to good

[violet fossil]

I don’t have much haste for bleeds but I’m liking it a lot so far

[past dune]

this how my stats are looking like atm

[violet fossil]

i was gonna run some bgs with it cause i specced into thunder clap rend spread haha

ugh i barely have any conquest gear on my warrior

haven’t been capping vault

[past dune]

all im missing is the conq chest and one more trinket

[violet fossil]

Damn lucky haha

[past dune]

yeah pretty sure if i had the chest and the trinket my damage will be more higher

[muted surge]

Did you know that you can take screenshots ?

[past dune]

Also i made a golden sentinel tmog and yes i did know im just being lazy

[oak heath]

I really hope this drakebreaker vendor comes back so I can get my weapon

[mild thunder]

has anyone else's reputation with stormwind or org been reduced to neutral?

[steel trout]

no

[red ether]

Yeah, nice consistent damage. Lacks the burst of arms

Been topping the dmg meters as fury but things still struggle to die

Arms feels gross rn, so it's hard to compare the two

[past dune]

What’s better for arms sophic devotion or frozen devotion

[sharp meteor]

Frozen Demo seems like a meme.

I could see a case for Frozen Writ, though.

[red condor]

What's the reasoning behind taking warbreaker in arenas? Sweeping Strikes Blunt Instruments - Colossus Smash seems to be just better?

[violet fossil]

Applying the colossus smash effect to everyone around your warbreaker

[past dune]

Warbreaker gets applied to everyone and with decent mastery it can increase the damage warbreaker does

[sharp meteor]

More reliably smash multiple targets.

I'm also too addled to go back to normal smash after so many games with warbreaker.

[red condor]

I see, thanks yall

[oak heath]

DH still doing like triple the lobby DPS

[slender lion]

Anyone tried arms with IP now? How's its survivability

[sharp meteor]

Better.

Should be a good time.

[viscid pawn]

what builds is everyone running now?

[opal cloud]

slam still bad?

[woven pulsar]

Slam looks like it's good to me if you take all the talents tbh

Like 60% chance to crit, has 30% extra crit damage on it

[opal cloud]

idk about rend if not running mastery

3 talents to invest is a lot though

[cosmic rover]

I’m still weighing up fury or arms personally for solo

[woven pulsar]

While I agree that 3 talents is a lot, I don't think piercing verdict is good, so that's 1 point off. Bitter immunity is """ok""", but situational. And I give up concussive blows, so that's 3.

[steel trout]

its still shit

[woven pulsar]

Tooltip outside of pvp with 364ilvl is 11k base. 60%+ chance to crit, +30% crit damage

Doesn't seem shit to me.

[steel trout]

go test it, its shit

[red ether]

Aye, is that the same vman from League back in the day

[woven pulsar]

Yes'm

[coral yacht]

is fury viable again ?

[red ether]

haha sup bro. You told me to kms so many times. Hope you're doing well these days

Unironically ofc

Full circle

[woven pulsar]

At most I would tell people to keep themselves safe, just encouraging the well being of league of legends players. :)

[uneven turret]

anyone got a build? for arms?

[past dune]

You can copy mines

[uneven turret]

where is it

[sour folio]

Random Q. anyone know where the plater setting is for minor enemies / totems etc is held?

[uneven turret]

u got a link?

[red ether]

Scroll up

I was cranking people with this build if you're curious

2500 SS mmr

[hot solstice]

Ppl so lazy nowadays…everyone wants ready to go build

[torpid roost]

is ignore pain simply not working, as in, not in your spellbook, as arms, for anyone else?

[woven pulsar]

I am but a hardstuck 2200 shuffle destruction lock main

[woven pulsar]

Worked in world pvp for me.

[torpid roost]

oh that's why, somehow I fucked up my spec

took stormwall

I can count to potato

[past dune]

JkQIpVKJBAAAAEEJCkAERjSSikEKSESA4ARCAAAAAAAARKJHICA0QA

[steep inlet]

lol kahuna

[torpid roost]

I put it on my bars

got in a solo, was like WHY IS IT RED, FUCK

[craggy quest]

Rend really useful ? Took 1 GCD, with no haste and no mastery feels weak

[woven pulsar]

Rend no talents does more damage than slam no talents

Like, the actual application damage.

[craggy quest]

yeah yeah i see i see

Nobody test the bleed build with a good haste gear my loves ?!

[woven pulsar]

btw what two drakerider items should I upgrade for 2set bonus

[thick reef]

anyone tried thunderous roar instead of spear?

[red ether]

I press rend whenever there's nothing to press

It's pretty unimportant to use tbh

[torpid roost]

shoulder, chest, legs have vers, yeah?

of tier

not certain I'd do drakebreaker

[red ether]

That set bonus doesn't work in instanced pvp

If that's the world pvp set

[woven pulsar]

Didn't realize, but I still need to use it for this alt.

And yeah, the world pvp set.

[torpid roost]

drakebreaker is the WPVP set, yes

[red ether]

I have cape only rn

[torpid roost]

and I thought he meant upgrade with a catalyst for 2p tier

so I'm way behind

[viscid pawn]

where to pick up catalyst quest??

[red ether]

Stone guy next to the aspects

[viscid pawn]

nice one

[merry spear]

back waist wrist prob best option for filler 421 gear

[red ether]

This

[woven pulsar]

I figured non-"main" armor. Lock uses boots/wrist, assumed it would be about the same.

[merry spear]

plate crafted pvp is head/feet

[woven pulsar]

ah

[hot solstice]

Is there a new pvp ilussion?

[past dune]

I’m testing out thunderous roars atm

[craggy quest]

craft gear = head feet, 2p tier = hand shoulder right ?

[torpid roost]

Hands? Interesting choice

crit mast hands

[soft dagger]

How does fury compare with arms after all the buffs?

Arms just still better overall?

[lean burrow]

how about that overpower talent instead of sweeping

[real shuttle]

Stacking crit haste with that?

[craggy quest]

haste versa i think better

[viscid pawn]

where do you upgrade drakebreakers now? NPC no longer has the option

[cosmic orchid]

any opinions on Fatality vs Executioner's Precision?

[craggy quest]

why vs ? Take both

[vapid rover]

Yes but we dont use slam :x so its still one more gcd

[muted surge]

On the normal upgrade guy

[viscid pawn]

ah yeah thx

[mild thunder]

man, even with the buffs onslaught only hits for ~40k

[placid marlin]

Just got an insta ss queue pop AMA

[low tapir]

what build do you guys run in 2s?

[warm sigil]

Any fury builds?

[torpid roost]

annihilator/spear/roar I'd assume

with RA and the bloodthirst CD thing

[mild thunder]

spear probs just bad for fury now

[torpid roost]

you reckon?

Guess they aren't really kiteable

[mild thunder]

more about them getting so much out of roar

and the bleed talent under it

when fury bleeds do more than arms

[limber relic]

Stat prio for arms? I see way too many going for like 20% crit then rest haste?

[craggy quest]

depends your build

[mild thunder]

crit=haste, its a lot of preference

bleed makes haste nicer, but crit still giga

10% haste is always nice

[limber relic]

Its either all crit/mastery

Or combo of crit and haste

But i guess ill go all in crit and mastery ring

[mild thunder]

where are you seeing crit/mast?

[limber relic]

Crit and mastery ring*

All gear pieces seem to have crit. But i bought haste ring, everyone seems to have mastery ring

x)

[mild thunder]

who's everyone?

[warm sigil]

Can someone share an arms build?

[craggy quest]

BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgWikEJEJpUKJBAAAAkQkIakAERDJJQoJRIBQSkAAAAAAAAQSKJiAAFEA

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAQBVVUVEERUEQphEQEBVOVVFRURUBVCRVERCQA

[limber relic]

Smexxin

Is one

If its not crit+mastery ring its ~20% crit and rest haste

[lavish heron]

so im guessing arms is winning out even with fury buffs?

[craggy quest]

Mud have haste versa + versa mastery

rings

[limber relic]

Only one ive seen sofar

[craggy quest]

yeah, he had 20% haste

[severe basin]

you guys noticing a change in being kill target or not

in solo shuffle

[craggy quest]

and 17% crit

[limber relic]

Yea mud went haste/crit build

[mild thunder]

thats one player

[limber relic]

20%crit rest haste

[mild thunder]

probably just got a mast ring from vault

if you wanna look at top players, check murlokio

[limber relic]

Yeah most arms are going ~20% crit rest haste

Haste neck+wrists