pvp

[queen peak]

Roar/bleed build needs more haste right?

[rancid granite]

spear is cool as shit yall crazy

hurling a magical glowing spear makes me feel like a bad ass

[turbid ember]

Its just clunky to use

[rancid granite]

more so than yelling loudly

[turbid ember]

If it was instant with no delay it would be fine, or hell, made into a targeted ability.

[earnest zodiac]

any current theory craft builds floating around atm?

[turbid ember]

I cry when someone pillar humps then I try to throw my spear on them and it ends up on top of the pillar

[teal light]

Strafe around pillars will help angle the camera away.

[flat dome]

Getting globaled by ele is so fun

[turbid ember]

I wouldn't mind if they had to actually cast

[flat dome]

I wouldn't mind not going from 100-0 in one global

[warm portal]

Just line it

🙂

[turbid ember]

Damage is fine if you're not the one dying in the global. -DPS

rsham lightning bolt has hit me for 150k. That shouldn't exist

[brazen rock]

"casually crits 120k+ MSs every game whining about wizards"

play better idk

[flat dome]

I'm stil not seeing these casual crits

[warm portal]

Its hard to not crit over 100k with MS lol

Avatar csmash inside spear. You drop 150ks on people

[flat dome]

So with all cooldowns running inside spear. Not exactly "casually".

[warm portal]

Is that not your go every game?

[brazen rock]

[flat dome]

Comparing using all cd's versus an ele just, ya know, casually using instants that randomly get a x5 proc.

[brazen rock]

its good you dont know how ele works

those 30-40k lava bursts are def killer lmao

[flat dome]

That isn't what I am referring to, but ok

[brazen rock]

[dense rover]

where is that spot that people meet for sparks of life etc?

[muted surge]

Wherever world quests are

[dense rover]

where do i check that?

just world map?

[warm portal]

Yes

Its probably cobalt assembly for azure rn

[muted surge]

Yea

[dense rover]

last week a lot of people were just slaughtering each other ouytside valdrakken, there wasnt some world quest then iirc

[muted surge]

Sure you can just find people randomly

[coral axle]

Tomorrow it'll be 33% less so that's something I guess

Just about all of the big burst except arms war is getting nerfed

Dh dodging again too

Sit on ele ass 24/7 and tell ur healer to dispel flame shock and they seem to do a whole lot of nothing already

[turbid ember]

Its a weird dispel protection, more punishing on healers that need to cast more

[coral axle]

Kinda, I think all the magic dispel protection right now is CC and it's the shortest one

Spriest is 2-3 seconds and affli is 4-5, ele feels like it's only 1-1.5

[turbid ember]

Its just a knockup and like 30k dam

[coral axle]

Yeah it knocks you for about 1 second, it's not bad at all

[nimble jasper]

the fact shit like tongues is still bugged

[coral axle]

I started farming eles on my dragon once I started keeping flame shock off people, although it's hard when you need to save dispel for CC

[nimble jasper]

is so cringe

[turbid ember]

What's bugged about it

[nimble jasper]

tongues/numbing poison along with similar effects

instead of attack/casting speed reduction

they just reduce your haste

[coral axle]

Really? The lock discord is convinced it's just casting speed

[nimble jasper]

the tourney players said its still haste debuff

[coral axle]

Pretty wild if so, guess ima be using more tongues

[nimble jasper]

yeah rogue lock is

💀

perma no haste

[coral axle]

Do they stack? I thought they wouldn't like an ms slow and just take the highest

Should stack with spellwarden though, since it actually is a haste debuff

[turbid ember]

Well if one reduces attack/cast speed and one reduces haste then I don't see it overwriting

[nimble jasper]

prob check if both reduce your global

[coral axle]

Yeah that's why it works with spellwarden, but numbing and tongues are both cast speed

[nimble jasper]

they’re both attack/casting speed

thats kind of why all the eu rogues in sl played numbing into jungle

just made all feral bleeds do less

[coral axle]

Wild they left it for so long, can't imagine it's a very hard bug to fix

[nimble jasper]

allegedly its still bugged

numbing was nerfed from 18% to 12% in pvp though

[full quiver]

at what point is blizzard ganna leave my class the hell alone when are we not ganna be nerfed over and over again they are ganna make it where normal players not you cant use dks anymore they have done everything to us besides cut off our arms so we cant fight back hero class use to mean something we WERE NEVER meant to be so called in line with cloth wearers they nerf us melee and give them more spells to attack us with as if all they ever do any way is stun heal stun heal kite we can barely kill anything you can get them all the way down and they hit one button and get it all back its bs and blizzard needs to get of this nerf dk garbage that has been a thing since we showed up if your ganna nerf me into the ground go after the rest evoker healing is bs dh is bs and warrior self heal is still better than us where are they getting that dks set the pace there is hardley any of us left on most realms because blizzard wont leave our class the hell alone.

[rancid granite]

agree with brick text

[teal light]

Not a warrior main in the warrior discord. Take it to the forums, not in another classes discord, mate.

[lean burrow]

[brazen rock]

they dont know

[lean burrow]

can someone pro make me a macro please i need help with warrior
something like this plz
/castsequence reset=20 Kidney shot, Garrote, Rupture, Blood Fury, Shiv, Vendetta, Sepsis, Vanish, Fan of Knives, Envenom, Multilate, Envenom
but i need one for furry or arms plz n ty

[full quiver]

holy shit guys

we can use the BiS macro again

@elfin surge can u please pin this so the new wars know

[lean burrow]

why is ignore pain first

[full quiver]

warrior is so squishy need to prioritizing staying alive

being alive is more damage than being dead

[lean burrow]

is that macro a meme or legit?

[full quiver]

wdym

it's the best macro to climb

[elfin surge]

lol 1300 warrior macro

[full quiver]

yeah 1300 straight to 3k

[lean burrow]

i played fury in S3/S4, my brain is atrophied

[turbid ember]

IP is on GCD isn't it?

[brazen rock]

no

[turbid ember]

Dank, I'll probably throw it on defensive stance

[lean burrow]

put it on something that's easy to press

something that gives you joy when you press it

like shift-2

[nimble jasper]

man

i peeped pika’s stream and he was reviewing a 1500 solo shuffle player’s vod

dude was 2.4 on dh

drs 3 kidneys in a row

[rancid granite]

is that macro like an old pro macro

[turbid ember]

I mean it'll have its own binding as well, but tying it to defensive stance when you need it seems like QoL

Like tying hamstring to charge

[elfin surge]

????

[turbid ember]

What's wrong w/ tying it to defensive stance?

[elfin surge]

u use ignore pain in battle???

[lean burrow]

i use ignore pain irl

[turbid ember]

Well yeah, but if you're swapping into defensive stance you're trying to take less damage. Might as well pop IP as well. Like I said, you still have a separate keybind for IP

[lean burrow]

ignore pain

[elfin surge]

lol then whats the point of the macro

[turbid ember]

Less key presses

[elfin surge]

is d stance a diff bind of battle or do u use the macro

[turbid ember]

Ah shit I forgot to consider that...

[elfin surge]

[turbid ember]

At least I can read

[undone pumice]

thats just called painkillers

[lean burrow]

no, that's my will power

( )

[turbid ember]

Couldn't you do this at the end of stance macro?

/use [nostance:1] Ignore Pain

[sage raptor]

Ew imagine using ignore pain

[turbid ember]

Since all the swapping happens before I think it should work

[hot solstice]

How many binds u have to do these macroses?

[turbid ember]

How many keys? Just 1

[hot solstice]

I mean overall

[turbid ember]

My thought is if you need to go in defensive stance then 99% of the time you'd probably want IP up if its available

Not at my PC so no clue

2.5 rows?

[shut barn]

whats wrong with pressing IP on cd

?

[turbid ember]

Costs rage

[hot solstice]

Cause idk what the problem simply binding ip and use it whenever u need

[shut barn]

i did not feel any rage problem

DF arms is somethjing else

[turbid ember]

Because if you're going into defensive then you're trying to reduce damage so you want to use IP if it's available 99% of the time. It just saves an extra click, QoL. Why is this hard to grasp

[vapid tartan]

is skull splitter+rend any good?

[hot solstice]

I simply feel no problem in that “extra click”

[turbid ember]

Why macro anything then

[hot solstice]

Cause I am more likely to use ip more often than dstance

[turbid ember]

Yeah, that's not your only way of using IP obviously

[hot solstice]

Meanin ip has more comfortable bind than dstance

[turbid ember]

I never said IP should be used exclusively with dstance

[hot solstice]

And I’m more likely to have some rage control

[turbid ember]

Rage control when going into 15% less damage stance?

[hot solstice]

I can imagine

[turbid ember]

Usually means you're being trained and rage isn't an issue

[vapid tartan]

I’m going for a burst build not sure if the damage from deep wounds + rend with stkullsplitter is bettr than other talents

[turbid ember]

Okay how about this. You tell me why you wouldn't want to use IP when going into dstance?

[full quiver]

Jfc

Just macro it to ur ms

[turbid ember]

If you're gonna do that at least put IP at the end of the macro lol

[rancid granite]

is ip global?

[turbid ember]

Nope

[rancid granite]

then we fine

good to know

[hot solstice]

U can use that macro it’s just personal prefer to have complete control over my char without these auto things

[coral axle]

I feel like there are times you'd want to shift into dstance preemptively, but want to keep pooling ur rage

although the very idea of pooling rage as arms is a joke rn

[turbid ember]

Hey man if you have the brain power and dexterity by all means.

I rarely play sober, I need macros

[coral axle]

honestly I think its a good idea to save brainspace, it's better to play in a way that works for you than to play in the objectively optimal way

[turbid ember]

I get it if you've been playing warrior since vanilla and have that comfort. I change classes every xpac multiple times

I tie battleshout to my mount macro so I don't forget to buff lol

Never have to think about it, its great

[long ridge]

Damn that's a good idea

[nimble jasper]

all you need

[muted surge]

So a fotm reroller

[turbid ember]

Warrior is fotm?

Someone tell the DKs and DHs

[turbid ember]

Don't tempt me, only throw IP at the bottom so IP doesn't rage starve your MS

[opaque sparrow]

Sup i main spriest bit fotm rolling arms

[turbid ember]

You're just in time brother, great times ahead

[terse lodge]

I was watching a Bajheera vid in arena and he didnt hit Overpower a single time the entire arena. Is it a loss to hit OP?

He only MS, and executed on procs. no slam no OP ever

[turbid ember]

Was he being trained maybe? OP buffs MS so it would be odd not to in most circumstances assuming he wasn't just messing around

[terse lodge]

Interesting rewatching his vod i see that his ability tracker that shows what buttons hes hitting doesnt show OP at all, but he still is barely hitting it, he has MS up ALOT more often than I do but i dont have set bonus yet

[turbid ember]

MS debuff is top priority (after hamstring) so maybe he was being kited and had low uptime?

[terse lodge]

yeah looks like alot of kiting as well

how high is prio for OP buff for arena? Is it worth sitting on MS for a global or 2 to put out the OP buff on the next MS? Or just MS off CD no matter what

[urban skiff]

how does dampen affect ignore pain, if at all?

[warm portal]

Put MS on cooldown as prio
You can stack 2 overpowers before burst cds

[turbid ember]

Good question, I don't know. I'd think not since it isn't a heal or shield. But maybe they took it into account

Is there another ability that works similar to IP?

[urban skiff]

supposedly warlock shield gets dampened

figure IP is a shield more than anything else

[turbid ember]

I don't think IP is a shield, please correct me if that's the case.

Does it actually put a shield graphic on your health or whatever?

[urban skiff]

I'm genuinely not sure whether it shows the shield graphic or not

[turbid ember]

Well its 50% of damage, UP TO X damage. So I think it isn't just flat damage unless soul-link gets dampened as well

Its just a capped % damage reduction. So I feel more confident in saying no unless other % damage reductions get dampened

[full quiver]

@fierce elm

[lucid walrus]

it technically does

it’s an absorb so it’d be treated the same way as they are

[turbid ember]

That's pretty bad if it dampens

It's not like it's just a flat damage absorb, we still take damage during it

[dense rover]

which gems on neck do i go for as arms pvp?

vers and crit?

radiant malygite?

[long ridge]

Vers crit yeah and strength vers I think

[muted surge]

crits gonna lose value with next patch

[dense rover]

why? what is best then?

[muted surge]

according to our overlord mud

ping him

before i say shit

[dense rover]

hahah

hmm

[coral axle]

the idea is with the big troar buff that it may be better to play bleed build with troar

so you'd want more haste

[dense rover]

what is shity that i can do while in SS queue? im bored

[muted surge]

i started to farm every single raid

3x

[coral axle]

do some work, play a second game, do some housework with ur speakers turned up, etc

[steel trout]

mining

[dense rover]

i have herb and mining

is mining betteR?

[lucid walrus]

khaz’gorite still sells well

[mint dagger]

any use for primal chaos after u craft the 2 peices of gear?

[muted surge]

do both

[dense rover]

engineering is not needed like in classic?

[muted surge]

no :(

[mint dagger]

lol

[coral axle]

yeah idk why they arent account bound

do a few M+ and you will have more than u can spend in the whole xpack

[muted surge]

they prob even reset anyway

idk what todo with them kek

but ye, acc bound would be great

[coral axle]

they will probably add a super expensive sink for them eventually

[muted surge]

i wish they would add sockets

like 1k for 1 socket or some shit

[coral axle]

bet they'll do something like that

[woeful solstice]

we going back to haste+bleed build?

bring back executioner oneshots

[coral axle]

I mean, its not like the crit build is gonna get any worse

so u can still play it just fine

[woeful solstice]

ya tru

[brazen rock]

both builds work fine.

eu warriors are soy and play bleed, na warriors are chad and play spear + EP + unhinged

[steel trout]

🤨

[lean burrow]

eu?

more like ew

[steel trout]

💀

[brazen rock]

[lucid walrus]

i’m not playing a plate class to try a demo of sin rogue

[uneven turret]

so how bad is /cast mortal strike /cast Ignore pain

[elfin surge]

[uneven turret]

too many keybinds

lol

[elfin surge]

arms isnt for the weak

[uneven turret]

trueeee

[shut barn]

guys is solo shuffle better than 2v2 for farming gear ?

conq gear

[muted surge]

is that why you play prot

[elfin surge]

@steep inlet

[muted surge]

hey dont try to deflect

[turbid ember]

Using an mmo-mouse is cheating. Don't @latent arrow

You know what, he deserves that ping

They knew what they were getting themselves into

[muted surge]

could you give me a @granite steppeget macro

oh sorry, uncluky

maybe @blazing oasissor macro?

oh sorry

[steep inlet]

6 fucking nerfs on it sadly

[stark agate]

2s better I say, just advertise you’re farming conq low cr

[steep inlet]

they massacred my boy

[grand scaffold]

@quasi lotus

hows smf

[quasi lotus]

Haven't played it for a bit kek

Gonna buy conq daggers next week

KEK

[grand scaffold]

are you using sidearm?

[quasi lotus]

Yee

I done 1800 on arms, mm, ret and ww now

Dk next

[grand scaffold]

does sidearm proc forzen devotion?

[quasi lotus]

No idea

I havent been thinking bout shit like that trying to play 14 chars lol

I just pick a reasonable build and send it

[coral axle]

man of culture

i've done arms, fury, havoc, spriest, preservation, and one game away from demo

doing ww and fistweaver mw seems fun next

[quasi lotus]

To which rating?

[coral axle]

1800, although some of them to 2000-2300

[quasi lotus]

Pog

Also doing 1800 ye

I shoulda done havoc earlier

[coral axle]

was the biggest joke of my life

I got 2k in 6 solo shuffles

never did arena on him again after that

pre-nerf

[quasi lotus]

Loool

[full quiver]

arms is free CR

wins every lobby

[coral axle]

idk not a lot of arms over 2400

[full quiver]

well yeah avg arms playerh as a room temp IQ like @elfin surge

[coral axle]

very fair

[full quiver]

once u get someone that can breath and press buttons at same time like Laros they climb

[coral axle]

wonder how mud feels every day he looks at the ladder and sees laros

[elfin surge]

laros trembling rn

i got 2 warriors his cr in shuff within 4 days

[coral axle]

👀

oh shit mud is #1 in 3s

it's over

[elfin surge]

havent qd in a week

i love laros tho

no flame

[grand scaffold]

its hard

2250 is like oof

[coral axle]

yeah the lower ratings are goofy as arms because nobody plays around the burst

[grand scaffold]

yea

people at about 2200 cr dont peel too much

which i do but like when you squishy af it sucks

[coral axle]

tomorrow man

[grand scaffold]

bruh wdym tomorrow 8 hr maintenance

😐

[coral axle]

after maintenance you'll be a fair bit more tanky

[grand scaffold]

^

[manic spire]

Dumb question new to pvp

Is there like a wcl function for pvp?

So i can like review?

I guess vods are easy?

[grand scaffold]

whats wcl

[manic spire]

Warcraft logs

[mortal ridge]

Do you guys often get DCd when charging in arenas? It keeps happening to me. I thought it wouldve been fixed by now

[grand scaffold]

yes

its fuckin annoying

ive lost about 200 points in total because of it in solo shuffle

[mortal ridge]

yeah its rough

[nimble jasper]

200 pts in shuffle

[mortal ridge]

I think it happens when someone does a knockback or similar at the same time. Not quite sure tho

[nimble jasper]

uhh irrelevant

[warm portal]

Only thing that has disconnected me was when I got chrono looped by an evoker

[nimble jasper]

i got d/ced once but only lost the round

[mortal ridge]

Before you could get DCd when charging up a hill or something an fall through the world, but this seems different

[nimble jasper]

because of it

[warm portal]

Same. Was able to log right back in

[nimble jasper]

ig if you have a toaster pc and it takes awhile to get back in

it might forfeit

[mortal ridge]

I cant log back in when that happens. I have to log in to another character first and then in to the warrior

If I do I just get stuck with game sound but visuals stuck in loading screen

[warm portal]

Outplayed tbh

[nimble jasper]

oh

thats not just me sometimes then

been a thing since mid SL

[mortal ridge]

ignore pain cant come soon enough to endure this 😦

[nimble jasper]

its prob a mix of knockbacks and charge

used to happen with dhs alot

[cinder thorn]

What's prot stance stats needed to in pvp again

[nimble jasper]

if you camera turned too fast

[mortal ridge]

yeah its happened twice against ele shaman the last two days

[nimble jasper]

blizz’s anticheat system kicks you off

[mortal ridge]

guessing its charge + knockback

[nimble jasper]

if you spin your camera too fast as hunter and disengage it happens too

idk im not xaryu tho

i dont shake my cam as im bursting

[mortal ridge]

more shake = higher dps obv

[warm portal]

Makes sense. When I got chrono looped it turned my camera like an insta 180 when I got ported back and then I disconnected

[mortal ridge]

so no charging with ele shamans or prevokers in the group

fantastic :p

[nimble jasper]

or stop sperg spinning your camera

i havent had a d/c like that since bfa

[mortal ridge]

This was just a straight charge, no camera spin

[nimble jasper]

might have been down a slope

or something

[mortal ridge]

yeah was in BRH, couldve been up those tiny steps

[nimble jasper]

ik theres generally no d/c issues with instant teleports

like monk port or shadowstep

[coral axle]

yeah its charge type abilities and im pretty sure its the anti-cheat acting up, same reason why everybody was getting DC'd when dragonriding into a slope

the game is detecting it as an illegal movement for some reason

[dense rover]

any discord for finding 2s and 3s partners?

[lean burrow]

what's your ping

[mortal ridge]

23

[lean burrow]

literally never had dc on warrior lol

dragon riding might do that sometimes

[flint jolt]

with honor weapon i deal 0 damage in rank arena as arms. Will conquest weapon will change that ? versa crit build. or am i too trash ?

[mild thunder]

do you mean that other classes are outdamaging you, or you're struggling to kill things?

[flint jolt]

i cant kill someone on my own.
ret or elem outburst me for sure, but they re a bit too strong no? i dont want to be s tier, but if i could be a danger it could be great

[mild thunder]

if you can't score kills, that's probably not a gear issue. there are definitely some classes (feral, uhdk, affli etc.) that will outdamage us over the course of a game, but we have some of the best burst and kill windows of any spec

if you want, submit some game recordings to the pvp-gameplay-review server and @fickle forge will help break it down for you

[flint jolt]

okay thx, i ll practice more so

[arctic crypt]

Hey all… sorry noob question. New to rated pvp. For this seasons vicious mount I see the percentage of matches won are shared between both alliance and horde; does that mean you get both factions mounts when you hit 100%?

[errant swallow]

Got any good pvp builds?

[mild thunder]

yes

[mild thunder]

check pins

[stiff merlin]

Is there even going to be a change in rotation it is it still mortal overpower and execute

[mild thunder]

the rotation will be more fluid and slightly faster, and you should always be using/maintaining rend now, but other than that no not really

[errant swallow]

ty

[stiff merlin]

I heard slam might be worth pursuing now too

[mild thunder]

in that case, you were lied to

[dapper cypress]

is it possible to kill a healer fast solo?

[lean burrow]

if you catch them low with stun and kick

also without defensives

also if it's not prevoker

[wooden grove]

Depends on the spec for sure

Feel like I have the best luck on opener against rsham

[thick reef]

yea

sometimes they be greedy with link

n u can maybe score a kill

[lean burrow]

i have no idea how shamans heal

seriously how do they live

[thick reef]

yeah same

mast helps alot when low for sure

[robust hamlet]

should i be waiting to burst? or full send on opener? sometimes i feel like my full burst just isnt doin the dam

[lean burrow]

if it's dk, toss stun and they will icebound

in meme bracket only though

swap if they popped defensives

save spear for second colossus smash

[robust hamlet]

can anyone give an example of their opener? i feel like i might be scuffing mine

[clever fern]

any predicts about tomorrow? fury will be better than arms ?

[lean burrow]

run on mount, piercing howl, op, op, stun, avatar cs, spear, ms

if using unhinged: stun, cs, ms, avatar, ms, bladestorm

sweeping strikes before stun if you are cleaving several targets

warbreaker against dk+melee

[robust hamlet]

tysm for the info will try

[thick reef]

yea b4 u do unhigned make sure to build up 2 op

[robust hamlet]

and u said to save spear for 2nd CS is there a reason for that?

[elfin surge]

Thunderous Roar (Talent) bleed damage no longer deals reduced damage in PvP (was 50% reduced).

this means its going to be doing double what it is now, correct?

[bronze wedge]

Yerp

[elfin surge]

thats going to be a fat dot then if its doing 200k now

@spice hornet

[full quiver]

Blizzard really wants us all to be dwarves

[arctic crypt]

Thank you

[mild thunder]

how many targets was this on?

[elfin surge]

1

single target pvp dummy

[mild thunder]

fuck

ah okay, we still gonna be pumping tho... im definitely leaning towards TRoar overtaking spear

especially since we can pick up bloodletting and bloodborne so easily now

[spice hornet]

Hi @elfin surge

[elfin surge]

yea its currently doing a lot of damage

going to be doubled next week

tmr

[spice hornet]

Mud OP

@elfin surge be careful tonight Orchillez is qing

[mild thunder]

we're gonna be a bleed spec after reset

[undone pumice]

@elfin surge be careful dekel is qing...

[zealous condor]

Pretty sure the 50% pvp reduction doesn't work on the pvp dummy for the dot part. Or at least it didn't last time I checked so you might duel someone to test.

[undone pumice]

mfw dekel instabans me for asking why wrath

[elfin surge]

the tooltip does change when i attack it, so i would assume ?

[spice hornet]

Because wrath is what you main when you’re washed

[elfin surge]

yea u might be right just checked on a normal dummy

that seems a bit odd tho

[zealous condor]

YEah, the pvp dummy is weird with several things

[undone pumice]

the dummy in valdrakken is fucky

the orgdummy is a bit better but still weird

[vapid tartan]

is cleave useful for arms?

[fair tide]

I wonder which class sent this

[vapid tartan]

also my stats are 17% vers 14% crit 10% haste is this ok?

[undone pumice]

all of them

[mild thunder]

pretty sure it would

everything else does, like the exploiter stacks

[copper hare]

rend also does reduced dmg on dummy

[shut barn]

same for me idk how ppl have like 28 % vers

[mild thunder]

because you're checking outside pvp

[elfin surge]

does anyone know if the talent bloodletting reduces the damage per tick

[lean burrow]

just no point if enemies already pressed defensives

if you have something like uhdk with you and you can catch two-three people in spear

then go for it

[undone pumice]

no

simply increases amount of ticks

so is big dam

[mild thunder]

its only 3 seconds tho

in pvp

[undone pumice]

lots of the bleed stuffs is worded weirdly

[mild thunder]

for some reason

[robust hamlet]

got it thx, it does feel like bait sometimes when you get insta disarmed or ccd

[undone pumice]

"expires bleeds" would imply them being deleted

not doing big instant dam

i also like how sksp

like drains the hp bar

instead of instant chunk removed

[mild thunder]

idk, i think that is worded fine

expires means to make them end instantly, not disappear

[undone pumice]

england not first language yes

[shut barn]

IS there any mes wa for DF ?

[mild thunder]

based on how people read the initial slaughterhouse rework, there's always people that will misread lmao

[undone pumice]

ye

[copper hare]

yeah, multiple. one got updated last week

[undone pumice]

like a lot of arms stuff is written really weird

and some even has misspellings

like straight up typos

[zealous condor]

just tested. on pvp dummy, thunderous dot does exactly twice the damage listed in tooltip. so the pvp 50% nerf is refelcted in the tooltip but still does full damage. So as soon as you hit the pvp dummy, the tooltip damage for the dot part is cut in half but it still does the full damage.

[mild thunder]

that just makes no sense

[thick reef]

wtrf

rip

he gave me VIP for no reason at all

[undone pumice]

dekel a weird fellow

[thick reef]

yeah

[undone pumice]

isnt he wisconsonian?

[thick reef]

good question, im not sure myself haha

but u asking him why wrath isnt even that bad of a question

[steep cairn]

Wisconsinite!!

[thick reef]

haha

[undone pumice]

i ask him why wrath over retail and he calls me slow

[mild thunder]

the guy is a lil deranged

[undone pumice]

america isnt real i will not bother

[thick reef]

gotcha

yea i see it as a good question bc the expac only been out for like a month? {cant remember washed myself} so u would expect ppl to be on that instead of wrath.

[undone pumice]

i tried wrath but

ZZZZzzz

[thick reef]

it looks weird af to play

watching warrior in wrath

disarming bladestorm

[undone pumice]

basically just restarting wow on a second acc but people are infinitely more deranged

[thick reef]

ahhh

[elfin surge]

classic is for washed players who were good and cant play retail now

or bad players who want to feel like they are good

[undone pumice]

no thats solo shuffle and m+

[hot solstice]

At least it is not that burst fiesta

[undone pumice]

ye instead its sleeping fiesta

[hot solstice]

on higher lvl

[undone pumice]

wow retail has been 1 shit burst meta for a bit so im too used to swap now

[mild thunder]

noooo, classic is so much more complicated than retail, retail players just arent good enough for the in-depth and true class design of classic 🤓 🤡

[hot solstice]

SSSSHHHHADOWMOURNE

!!!!!

[undone pumice]

i too enjoy bringing my pve items into pvp and ripping ass on some poor clothie in a random bg

[hot solstice]

damn I miss those lego weapons

[shut barn]

is there anything that i can import in omnibar ?

[coral axle]

I have one I can send you

[shut barn]

dm me pls

[brazen rock]

dude i swear ulduar hard mode is actually hard

its freal this time ok

i know its been a meme for years that vanilla was actually a joke and only hampered by the fact we were all terrible, playing on PCs slower then our smartphones, on dial up internet

BUT THIS TIME ITS HARD OK

[coral axle]

loved it when classic first came out and people hyped up molten core

then it was cleared by a bunch of 58s in greens

[mild thunder]

bro just because people figured out the best meta and strats 15 years ago, doesnt mean it isnt hard now bro, trust me bro

this time its legit

[hard hound]

For the Bleed build the go to is 20 crit 20 hast ?

[brazen rock]

also practicing on private servers for years

[hard hound]

Seems he will be op af soon

[mild thunder]

you're just a hater, wow is being kept alive by classic

[brazen rock]

i am the biggest hater

i will shit on everything you love and hold dearest.

[mild thunder]

gigachad

blizz needs to remember there are other battlegrounds than eye of the storm

im so over it

EotS or deepwind gorge, they're the only two that exist now

[upbeat ice]

from my testing i swear the build with no rend is still doing more dummy dps

esp with ignore pain resetting overpower

and the juicy overpower talents

[hot solstice]

how much dps?

[upbeat ice]

on a dummy over 3min im doing 47k with bleed and 49k without bleed

and its more work to play bleed build and doesnt have spear

[mild thunder]

on live?

[upbeat ice]

ptr

[mild thunder]

what talents?

[upbeat ice]

let me load it sec

[hard hound]

They call the roar will slap as fuck all 1 min , I want to test it too

[upbeat ice]

this was the bleed build i was using

just a quick mockup of what i thought would do the most dps

[hot solstice]

IDK with all this ovperpower and execute stackinn mortal I feel like MS reset talents r useless

[mild thunder]

yea idk why you're dropping EP

thats troll

and taking sks is bad

[hot solstice]

no sweeps

lol

[mild thunder]

and FbV

[upbeat ice]

you get sweeps baseline

[mild thunder]

yea i dont think the problem is the bleed build, the build is just bad

[hot solstice]

no imroved execute

[upbeat ice]

then played this for no bleed

[mild thunder]

bloodsurge bad
no improved exe
sks bad
no fatality
no EP
no improved ss/SoA
FbV bad

yea both these builds are just kinda troll ngl

[upbeat ice]

with 4 set MS does about the same damage as execute and has 10% more crit

so improved execute doesnt sound as juicy as other things

[lean burrow]

what's improved execute

just no cd?

[upbeat ice]

ye

[mild thunder]

bruh

idk if you're trolling or not lmao

[lean burrow]

massacre with a cooldown on execute

[mild thunder]

rage refund + no CD on execute vs excess rage we dont use

[lean burrow]

oh it's rage refund too

i wish there was a button

"spend all my rage"

like enh's maelstrom talent

[mild thunder]

idk, i dont wanna be mean, because i dont do that, but yea if you fix the builds a bit, the damage will be a hell of a lot better

also, there really is no "bleed build" or "non-bleed build" after 10.0.5

you just get everything you want

[upbeat ice]

well you cant get evertything

[mild thunder]

no, you dont get everything, you get everything you want

[lean burrow]

big crits is the only build I want

oonga boonga

big number

[upbeat ice]

yes

imo rend build is mid unless thunderous roar absolutely does dumb damage

then its worth it to run

[mild thunder]

ms is getting nerfed, arms is shit now

[mild thunder]

rend isnt mid, your build is

[lean burrow]

the improved ms talent gone?

wasn't ms buffed to account for that

didn't see other nerfs

[mild thunder]

no, arms is just dead because we lost improved ms

[lean burrow]

hope nobody plays arms

[mild thunder]

im gonna recommend this build to all the fotm rerollers that come into the discord

someone pin it

[lean burrow]

"keep my spec's name out of your damn mouth"

[upbeat ice]

dont do it

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-chris-rock-jada-pinkett-smith-oscars2022-smack-gif-25234614

[upbeat ice]

theyre gonna do the most damage

in the game

[mild thunder]

true, all those skullsplitter oneshots 🤡

[upbeat ice]

for 1 point its actually a giant dps increase

[mild thunder]

okay genuinely, why would you bother taking sks if you're not taking tide of blood?

[upbeat ice]

it consumes deep wounds

now

on its own

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-oops-gif-25712345

and whats the point of consuming only deep wounds?

[upbeat ice]

i was seeing 110k globals in spear after 180k ms

try it yourself

[mild thunder]

thats not doing any real damage on its own, and you're cutting down your next ms

[upbeat ice]

[lean burrow]

sks is nerfed in pvp

idk if dummy reflects it

[mild thunder]

no dude, sks is op

thats why no one takes it right now

[upbeat ice]

thats why they changed it

swear its a high value 1 point

watch when everyone plays it

[lean burrow]

nobody plays enh because it's op

[mild thunder]

nobody is gonna play it lmao

i swear to god he's trolling, please save me from this bait 🙏

[upbeat ice]

u dont gotta believe me

when u get outdpsed by a chad using my build

at me

[tribal wedge]

Fueled by violence

[mild thunder]

actually, i hope you do run your build

i could use the free wins on my alts

[tribal wedge]

Juicy 3k heal

[mild thunder]

dude, its good please i swear its good bro

[tribal wedge]

50k tick against demono 😎

[mild thunder]

bro you can heal 30% hp per tick bro i swear bro

[zealous condor]

Is SKS really nerfed in PVP? I was doing an RBG and deleted the flag carrier twice with SKS. Won us the game. Not trolling, seriously asking becasue I was playing around with SKS build and it didn't seem too bad. I suck though.

[upbeat ice]

the dots and bleed talents are 50% nerfed in pvp

[tribal wedge]

Sks into fueled by violence

[upbeat ice]

so in turn it makes sks worse

[upbeat ice]

i dont play at 1500

[zealous condor]

Ah, okay. THanks.

[mild thunder]

true, i am a 1500 dweller

[upbeat ice]

i wish the dummy actually applied the modifiers to ur talent tree

[mild thunder]

also not true lmao

[upbeat ice]

so we can see

[mild thunder]

there is one talent thats nerfed by 50%

[upbeat ice]

i shoulda been more specific

bloodletting is 50% nerfed

that is the one that makes bleeds op tho i think they nerfed it cause of sks one shot potential making the bleeds total damage very high with duration

[lean burrow]

flag increases damage received

[mild thunder]

+6 seconds makes it op?

the only real difference it makes for rend and DW is you apply it less

its only "op" for TRoar

[lean burrow]

can prot block bleed damage?

bleed damage is supposed to be physical but ignoring armor

[mild thunder]

no

might be able to block the initial hit of rend or whatever, but the bleed should still be applied

[muted surge]

Galachad has no clue, he only has 1500 rating

[mild thunder]

im actually an arms fotm reroller, only started playing the spec yesterday

[muted surge]

Joined the discord on 6th

Filthy fotm

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-18453366

[hot solstice]

sks instadot doesnt work into absorbs btw

[mild thunder]

shut up, doomer its OP, okay?

[hot solstice]

better reroll assa u bleed fantasy bois

[rancid granite]

we gonna reach 1800 after tomorrows buffs friend

[upbeat ice]

not op literally op like good, cause +6sec is 40% more duration which is 40% more sks burst damage for rend

[wheat jay]

Dont we get 100% buff to thunderous?

Definitely take it into ret warr and dk

Possibly dh too

Since its undodgeable

Casters probably not

[mild thunder]

the initial hit is dodgeable, but the dot is applied anyway

[mild thunder]

but no one is taking sks because it sucks? even if you run a full bleed build, no one is taking sks

[wheat jay]

Dot hits harder iirc

And it bypasses armor

So 100% take it into dk

[mild thunder]

yea for sure, i reckon TRoar will be super popular

[muted surge]

Especially bcs you cant miss it :)

[mild thunder]

i will find a way

[high sparrow]

🙏

bout to show up on these durotar bullys

[timber coral]

i joined SS as arms but when i got in it made me fury and i couldnt switch back to arms. known bug?

[brazen rock]

you qued as fury spec.

[timber coral]

thats dumb

[mild thunder]

no, that's how it works

[timber coral]

why?

[brazen rock]

because you have spec-specific rating.

[timber coral]

i see

[buoyant field]

hi warriors, what stats do i need for a fury in arenas 🙂

[copper hare]

u need some vers

some crit

and then you spec arms

[buoyant field]

im a fury

vers and crit?

[mild thunder]

whats fury?

never heard of itr

[bright stream]

vers>haste or vers>crit+reroll arms

[lean burrow]

anyone knows if pvp illusion was made?

[indigo barn]

Tabard was

Will know soon

[spice hornet]

intern is behind on his low effort enhcnat this expac

[indigo barn]

Also there's a pennant

Coming later

Guessing the enchant will have that kind of glow

[light granite]

what do the chads think? Lionheart Champion vs Executioner? im gonna buy one

[indigo barn]

Wrong channel mate

[light granite]

is this the warr pvp chanel where the chads live?

[spice hornet]

part of me hopes theyre just thorough testing the illusion and it is high effort with a ton of particle effects and theyre makiong sure it runs on potato pcs

lot of wow players play on some toasters

[indigo barn]

Gonna throw a bone out there and say that they were either scraping for time, or making sure there were no rating issues in SS so that people couldnt cheese/exploit to 2100

[bright stream]

nah it'll just be a low priority item from a software development perspective (I reckon)

its not unusual for them to treat the pvp enchant as a post season scenario

[indigo barn]

True

[lean burrow]

what's pennant

what even is that flag

looks like the flag characters wear on their backs in arena

nvm

seems like it's a toy

[nimble jasper]

big brain play

use most obnoxious enchants to make enemy team lag

[sage raptor]

Plz dont

Dragonflight crashed windows 4 times already

:(

[mild thunder]

keep hoping

then again, it cant be worse than the Cosmic Flow from SL, surely

[spice hornet]

Cosmic flow was pathetic

Imagine being the artist tasked to make that, and you make it and you go “yeah this looks amazing, people are gonna love this”

[undone pumice]

big brain strat macro 1 morbillion toys like fire eater phial into everything and equip 1 gorillion particle enchants like nightmare to completely explode their weak pcs

[spice hornet]

Lmao good idea big grief mode

Do it in gold shire on moonguard

[undone pumice]

i unironically macro 1 morbillion toys into everything

whistles

fire eater phial

[mild thunder]

i guess if they're being told they have to work with the whole zereth mortisy, sepulcher themes, it was always going to be shit

but yea cosmic flow was embarrassing

[sage raptor]

they made the theme tho

[mild thunder]

hopefully the current one is a big, badass fucking elemental illusion, but i doubt it

[sage raptor]

like, my brother in christ, this is your creation lol

[mild thunder]

i doubt it was the same artist that decided on the general theme that created the pvp illusion lol

[sage raptor]

sure but youd imagine the art team would all agree on something

or theyd rather take the L for an illusion no one would get even if its good

[mild thunder]

no shot, not at blizzard

[lucid walrus]

it’s just gonna be some red wave

[undone pumice]

like every season

[severe basin]

so are we going from crit to haste tomorrow or something?

as arms

[severe basin]

kinda smart

[mild thunder]

i dont think anyone's planning on ditching crit entirely, but if TRoar becomes more popular than spear, you might see a little less crit

[severe basin]

can we turn drakebreakers world pvp gear into tier ?

[mild thunder]

yes

[mild thunder]

boys, less than 24 hours until we get our glorious ignore pain back :

[indigo barn]

No fat ignore pain emoji train

[lean burrow]

someone called it

ignore brain

[severe basin]

bro

is ignore pain even fair

[mild thunder]

no

yea, its not actually OP, what's OP is everything we have on top of it

[severe basin]

nice

[quick carbon]

i cant wait for assassination rogues to keep warrior in b tier tommoroww!

[mild thunder]

i dont understand this, they're really not getting that much stronger

[quick carbon]

thr getting

warbreaker

and aoe sharpen

on shiv

[mild thunder]

tthey're not getting an aoe sharpen

its 20% heal reduc in aoe

[quick carbon]

ooo

[mild thunder]

and yea ig they're kinda getting warbreaker, but they dont burst aoe anyway so who cares

[quick carbon]

rpx still going to destroy any cleave

in the game

[mild thunder]

maybe, arms/ret is going to be beyond busted

[quick carbon]

rpx will destroy ret warrior i promise u

[fossil mortar]

Pshhh, Fury buffs will roll em to the ground

[quick carbon]

rpx is going to be bis comp

[mild thunder]

get out

[quick carbon]

fury act might be goodd tmrw

thr getting alot of damage

[mild thunder]

rare lukeypooky L

[quick carbon]

and ms duration buff

[mild thunder]

they aren't getting that much damage

[quick carbon]

arms will still be insanely better

but fury wont be as bad

[fossil mortar]

4% is big

[mild thunder]

fury may be B tier

if they're lucky

[quick carbon]

arms is gonna be s tier until it ques into

rpx

[indigo barn]

40% onslaught damage will big big right

[fossil mortar]

Demoncleave led by fury will be BiS, trust

[mild thunder]

is sp getting buffs?

[quick carbon]

im not sure but it doesnt matter

rpx alrdy s tier

rogue buffs make it

super s tier

[mild thunder]

well yea then nothing is really changing, just arms getting insanely better

[indigo barn]

The trinket set bonus change is how much of a dps loss?

[quick carbon]

oh ya the game is slowing down too

thats also a buff to sp because cleaves rn can run them down rlly fast

they should buff rend deep wounds

to garrote rupture

levels

of dam

[mild thunder]

i dont think we get the right to complain for at least a week after reset

[indigo barn]

Rend gets its final tick and the tick silences

[quick carbon]

oh yes we will

once u q into ur first good rpx ur going to understan

its horror

[fossil mortar]

Arms IP got good or scuffed af scaling btw?

[quick carbon]

its a 55kish

shield

on ptr

[mild thunder]

it was always good wdym

[quick carbon]

i hit 140k execute btw nerf warrior damage

[fossil mortar]

I hope IP scales well. Let's us beat rogue/priest

[quick carbon]

idk what warrior comp will beat it

maybe tsg might have chance

act nvm spellwarden dead

[bright stream]

as long as I've got somewhere to put some of my additional rage

I'll be happy

[quick carbon]

rpx is gonna give u so much rage ur gonna want to punch ur monitor

[severe basin]

fury sux because everyone in this discord said it needed to be nerfed in week 1 kekW

it wasnt even that good to begin with

[quick carbon]

yeah okay man LOL

were gonna pretend 40% ms

was fine

perma ms*

[mild thunder]

we found the fury defender

mock him

[quick carbon]

DISGUSTING

[severe basin]

i play arms

[mild thunder]

permanent 10% wall with passive healing from spamming 1 button and a perma 40% ms is all good guys, please dont nerf

[quick carbon]

they should just buff rend

make me plate feral

[severe basin]

see this is why fury is bad

point proven

[quick carbon]

fury deserves to be bad in its current iteration

[mild thunder]

exactly

[severe basin]

never been in a class discord that hates their other spec so much

[mild thunder]

why should a 2 button spec be good?

[severe basin]

have you played arms dude

lol

[mild thunder]

arms isnt that much more complex, but it at least has variance

fury has none

as arms, you at least have to react with your rotation... fury is the same 1-1-1-2-1-1-1-2 rotation

[quick carbon]

yes arms is 100x more fun

even other classes agree theyd rather q into arms when its good than fury when its good

[hazy isle]

fury needs a rework its too boring

[severe basin]

yeah arms is pretty fun

[mild thunder]

fury needs to be turned back into a proper rage spec, not the shitty pseudo-combo point spec its become

[severe basin]

bladestorm is bis

[mild thunder]

playing fury is like playing a retarded rogue

[severe basin]

i dont know about that

playing a sin rogue is like playing a retarded warrior tbh

[mild thunder]

wow man, it's like both can be true

[indigo barn]

Remove annihilator first

Lame talent

[mild thunder]

annihilator isnt the problem

[severe basin]

annihilator is lame af tho

remove it anyway

[mild thunder]

that build should have been fun, it was the reckless abandon rework that ruined it, because instead of managing slam and ww cooldowns while weaving in SD procs, you just spam bloodbath with no CD

[severe basin]

yeah thats actually fried

[mild thunder]

if you played it properly, it was a rewarding alternative to generic fury that was pretty much GCD-locked

instead it became 1-button spam

[bright stream]

furys a kinda weird spec

imo it should have titans grip removed

itd be good to have a str dps class that uses 1hs

other than fdk

[mild thunder]

they need to remove rampage and turn rb back into a spender with wild strike

maybe give fury rend again, that actually would make it way more fun

[indigo barn]

Add in a new talent? Annihilator: rampage removed. Your auto attacks deal X damage and have a 20% chance to enrage you and give you X rage.

[quick carbon]

just give wod fury

[indigo barn]

35% chance to not press anything for 5 second spec

[mild thunder]

perfect

yes

[indigo barn]

Old raging blow needs to stay dead

[mild thunder]

wod fury with onslaught

and rend

[quick carbon]

give colossus smash back to fury

make csmash its old iteration

and make reck warriors offensive cd

arms too

[mild thunder]

armor pen is actually useless in the modern game tho

[quick carbon]

csmash was just 20% dam taken debuff tho

when was it just armor pen

20s cd 6s duration bring it back PLS

i hate colossus smash being ur offensive cd

[mild thunder]

original cs made you ignore 50% armor

[indigo barn]

Was 100% in mop

[quick carbon]

i like that act yaa

20% dam taken ddebuff AND armor useless debuff

[mild thunder]

armor pen is useless tho

[quick carbon]

bring it back

and then give us recklessness

[muted surge]

What is armor

[indigo barn]

It's not in RBGs

[muted surge]

And why is cloth tankier than plate

[mild thunder]

they should knock it down to like 15% increased dam and give it another effect like bonus crit or something

[indigo barn]

Nice armour bear

[quick carbon]

armor pen

is fine

how is it bad

[mild thunder]

because of how armor scales in pvp now

[indigo barn]

Bland stat

[quick carbon]

how does armor scale rn

[mild thunder]

weirdly, but its not super important until late, late into an xpac now

its not like we even have trouble killing plate specs, all the plate specs are squishy af

its the fucking clothies that are tanky

[quick carbon]

idk i hit locks for 200k i dont hit dks that hard

give armor pen

[mild thunder]

ive hit dks for >150k

[quick carbon]

ya i have too

but 200k > 150k

thats an ignore pains diff...

[mild thunder]

ive never hit a lock for 200k

[quick carbon]

just get 2x ep

and go to town

[mild thunder]

dk is definitely easier to kill than demo

[quick carbon]

dks easier to kill cuz

they just stand there

and take cock

from u

[mild thunder]

demo just stands there

and facetanks

and summons a billion pets

and doesnt take damage

[quick carbon]

demo can move aroun more than dk can

[mild thunder]

can

doesnt have to

[quick carbon]

and they can peel

for themselves

easier

if a warlock is just sitting thr letting a warrior bully him hes going to die

warlocks haave more tools

to live

[coral axle]

Demo only takes zero damage if ur healer is shit and doesn't decurse you

[mild thunder]

literally my healer

[muted surge]

I mean, against demo you just take fbv and heal for 30% every tick, so you just play as aggressive as possible and smash him

[coral axle]

Amp weakness fucks arms super hard

[mild thunder]

true

100% uptime on 30% hp ticks from FbV

[coral axle]

I live for amplify weakness on warriors every game I play on my lock, watching them pop full CDs and do zero damage fuels me

[lean burrow]

what would spread bleeds

warbreaker?

[quick carbon]

whats the cd

on

amp weakness

[coral axle]

30 seconds

Like 20 second duration lmao

[mild thunder]

cleave

big brain

[quick carbon]

ok so every 3 minutes u can kill aa warlock

[muted surge]

Cleave

[mild thunder]

take cleave into demo

[lean burrow]

are you memeing

[muted surge]

Yes

[mild thunder]

i would never

[quick carbon]

u can just bitter immunity amp weakness off

and then

blast the warlock

[coral axle]

Yeah if you get the curse removed they really do take it deep

[quick carbon]

does dark iron racial take it off too

[mild thunder]

DI removes literally anything

except phys debuffs i think

[quick carbon]

too bad i like fem human mogs

[mild thunder]

fem dwarf

[muted surge]

Yea imagine playing an ugly dwarf

[quick carbon]

just gonna bitter immunity into warlocks

every time

[coral axle]

It does remove it indeed

Good idea honestly, if they are banking on it and u break out the random BI they are fucked

[muted surge]

Wait what does the curse do?

[quick carbon]

it makes u do

no damage

ik thrs 1 that makes u not crit

[coral axle]

20% asp reduction and you cannot crit!

15 duration 30 cd

[muted surge]

That seems bad as a crit class

[quick carbon]

critting is how