pvp

[coral axle]

are you 1300-1800? thats the range where you'll usually find people in placement games. ur first 5 rounds of SS give a lot more rating

had a game where I went 0-6 on my lock and still gained like 150 rating because it was my second SS ever

[undone pumice]

get success irl

[grand scaffold]

thats different

success irl is fuckin amazing

alr lemme reword it

if you have a nice job/business

and you play golf for fun

naturally you wanna be good at golf and have the stats to prove it

same goes for wow

[coral axle]

fax, I don't consider myself a very driven person and I still want to be successful in both career and hobbies

[grand scaffold]

^

i like being the best at everything i do

and im not

but amongst my friends i am

and that makes me feel nice

🙂

yall think i should que solo shuffle rn

?

[next herald]

Yes

Do IT

[grand scaffold]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

alr

wish me luck bois

[next herald]

Bind /spit to your MS and Post Screenshot

[grand scaffold]

/spit doesnt worth on people anymore

[next herald]

/emote yourname spits on you.

[grand scaffold]

dang

[long ridge]

i'll catch up to you bro

[sage raptor]

I wanted to push glad. I don't have the energy or motivation

[coral axle]

glad seems hella hard right now, I have some multi-r1 buddies who still havent done it

[long ridge]

yeah bcause all the newbs are in Solo shuffle w/ me

on my team

[coral axle]

fax tho

[long ridge]

and only people who are good play 3s, try hars.

[grand scaffold]

wanna do a friendly competition?

[trail hamlet]

ret always bubbles my burst. never bubbles enemy burst

[long ridge]

lol

exactly

what kind of friendly competition

[grand scaffold]

to see who gets 2400 first

[long ridge]

what do i win though

prestige?

nudes?

https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft AWC dropping in 30 minutes

this the shit i listen to when i bash people's skulls in

[grand scaffold]

nothing

competition is just motivation

still no que

17 min in

18 min*

i have a feeling that longer ques = harder games

[warm portal]

Nah its a complete toss up

[grand scaffold]

are you sure

in rbg's when you get a very long que

you get a very unevenly matched game

[warm portal]

I would agree for RBGs

In the shuff I think its just because there's no healers lol

[sage raptor]

I wish my healer was capable of 2400

She's not bad. Just went back to school.

Play by myself meow

[warm portal]

2400 in 3s rn is actually pretty difficult
Ladder super deflated since a lot of people are in the shuff

Even 1750 in 2s is top 10%. Absurd deflation rn

[sage raptor]

Are you serious?

[warm portal]

Yes

[sage raptor]

1750? Lol

That's pretty scuffed

[warm portal]

Sorry 1726 lmao

[sage raptor]

That's insane

[warm portal]

Yeah its tough rn. Getting glad rn is a climb and a half

[sage raptor]

Oof yeah. I also get mad easily so maybe I should wait and see if it gets better?

[low cobalt]

wtf 1700 is 90th percentile

if you get 1800 in later seasons do you unlock the 1800 tmog set from past seasons?

or no

[ebon sequoia]

Genuinely thinking about levelling my resto shaman just for quick solo queues

[sage raptor]

No

[low cobalt]

ah ok

[sage raptor]

I want that glad mount but not having my healer AND super deflation really isn't helping my motivation lol

[warm portal]

I have an ele alt and let me tell you queuing as resto just to fill the vault is 10x faster

But you'll have to deal with teammates acting like link and earthen totem dont exist

[thick reef]

if you upgrade honor neck does it keep the gem slots or is it a new item

[warm portal]

Keeps the slots

Same for conq

[grand scaffold]

nope

not queing

im waiting

fuckin dk's

[sage raptor]

30% vp nerf lmaooo

That's cute

[grand scaffold]

only game i won was when he was on my team

continue queing or nope

[grand scaffold]

whats vp

[undone pumice]

virulent plague

commonly referred to as mage player smell

[lean burrow]

isn't rival top 10% usually?

with duelist 2-5% and glad 0.5-1%?

[warm portal]

Uhh, kinda
It hasn't really followed those percentiles exactly in awhile
for example in SL top 10% in 2s was usually at a minimum of 1900

[lucid walrus]

2.4 in s2 was scarily close to 10% i think

[untold adder]

can ret war do 2v2 ?

or not really a thing?

[fickle forge]

Yeah it was

And then 2.5 was 3%

Everyone stopped at the glad

[grand scaffold]

3% of players?

[craggy meteor]

As arms, do I want the haste or mastery weapon for honor? I looked around and seems like people use a mix

[long ridge]

crit vers

[urban skiff]

What are some good 3s partners for this week? Tried with resto druid + assa and never felt safe nor in control.

[long ridge]

don't play w/ rogue

[urban skiff]

I want to say UH or Havoc but eh

[long ridge]

uhdk, dh, warlock

ret

[untold adder]

ret arms in 2s work??

[long ridge]

no

[urban skiff]

What lock spec?

[long ridge]

prob demo idk

[urban skiff]

ah

[long ridge]

any of the specs fine i think

[urban skiff]

is arms + enh still viable or are enh too far behind the big bursters?

[long ridge]

uhdk is the go to though for arms in 3s imo

ench is like worst melee, but if they get buffed it could work yeah

[urban skiff]

what healer do we pair well with? I feel like resto druid was really strong in 2s but for 3s I never felt safe

[long ridge]

rdruid, prevoker, disc

in 3s arms is squishy until next week so that's why sometimes u gotta play defensively

[urban skiff]

can't wait for ignore pain again

really wish the groupfinder tool had a separate filter for current ratings or specific group comps

[long ridge]

yeah lfg is a fucking nightmare

[craggy meteor]

There isn’t an honor weapon that has crit vers

Oh wait

I’m so dumb

The mace. I didn’t see that sorry

[long ridge]

😮

arena world championship right now is ele/rdruid/lock vs ele/rdruid/dh

what a world

[brazen rock]

rdruid is only healer and ele/lock are only casters

shouldn't be a surprise lol

[urban skiff]

kinda feels like both ele and lock has been on top for ages now in the professional scene

idk if that's rooted in anything other than feelings

[long ridge]

according to warlock discord arms warrior is op and lock is not good

[urban skiff]

locks are nuts tho

[brazen rock]

jaime throwing another AWC

kek

[long ridge]

lol

WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POSITIONING YOU WERE BEHIND ENEMY PILLAR

/kick from team

[humble panther]

Did you know Beemo supports Slash Commands? They are the new, recommended way to discover and run commands! Type / to see them all.

[brazen rock]

its jaime 🤷

[long ridge]

double knockeddddd

[brazen rock]

throws every AWC hes in

[long ridge]

oh wow he did it to himself

[urban skiff]

is it wrong that I just enjoy fury way more?

[cinder thorn]

Or even a dps / class / spec flag

[urban skiff]

yeah that

[cinder thorn]

It shouldn't show groups that are not interested in inviting you

[urban skiff]

like i want to find 3s teams with UH dks or resto druids in the 1k CR bracket. Would be amazing to have that tool

[cinder thorn]

It's easy for them to implement

[urban skiff]

it's probably a double edged sword

implementing it might result in fewer people finding the groups they want because of tight filter criteria

[shut barn]

are u guys playing with rend with unhinged?

[brazen rock]

yes

[shut barn]

and why is that

same as blademaster

some ppl dont play that with unhinged

[brazen rock]

it does more then slam, its a rage dump as we're always rage capped, in long games it adds up to a non-insignificant amount of damage.

[steel trout]

also cuz fbv is dogshit might aswell take rend

[coral axle]

what makes warlock a good 3s partner for warrior?

I know WLD is a thing but idk why

[urban skiff]

If I had to guess, it's because freecasting warlocks do crazy damage and nobody is going to focus a warlock when a warrior is around

we can play defensively but swap to offense in a global

but that's a guess

[long ridge]

'cause locks are good that's the only reason

locks can play w/ everything and still be good, lol

[coral axle]

thats what I was thinking, if they let a demo lock sit back and freecast its just fucked

and warrior can peel for the lock pretty well too, locks def like intervene

[long ridge]

they don't even need peel

u can go throw a disarm and intervene but if it's vs double melee u don't want them to cleave u both so u can go healer often times

[urban skiff]

holy shit I'm a dumbass.

Why didn't i ever think about that

This is why I'm forever 1400

[long ridge]

that's just my opinion sometimes you are forced to if they have a prevoker or something

try diff target see if u like it

[crimson onyx]

So what comps do you think will be best for us after wednesday in 3s?

[long ridge]

damn i got muted from twitch caht for telling that bitch to focus lol

[brazen rock]

the same as before.

[crimson onyx]

I almost feel bit tired of playing melee cleave 🙂

[brazen rock]

arms/sp has been good since launch

still good even with sp nerfed.

[crimson onyx]

And same as before is mainly Kitty/Ret i guess

[long ridge]

oh yeah SP was the best teammate

[crimson onyx]

i actually feel like Thundercleave is rather nice

[long ridge]

they seem so weak now though

wtf there are 3 teams that play rdruid/dh/ele

[thick reef]

can someone tell me how to turn off lock pet hp bars in plater

[muted surge]

What’s thundecleave ?

[crimson onyx]

War/Ele

[nimble jasper]

basically this vs dh teams

[nimble jasper]

this is mostly just warlocks being good

rlx is typically better

[copper hare]

Need to disable it in blizzard options, interface nameplates and then uncheck minor

Disables imps, dogs and unholy pets

[thick reef]

it was disabled in blizz menu but also had to disable in plater itsself but i found the option ty

[oak heath]

You can also download AdvancedInterfaceOptions which returns a lot of old customization with an addon and have finer control

[true current]

hey im new to pvp, and was wondering if fury will still be decent compared to arms after patch

im liking fury and learning it pretty well. would rather not switch unless arms is gonna be that much better

[gaunt scaffold]

Arms is just better

Fury is freelo these days

[true current]

damn ok

[light granite]

IMO play what is more fun to you

[true current]

i like the sustain of fury

and the pressure i can put. arms is more burst it seems

[light granite]

you can prob do fine with fury bro

[brazen rock]

arms has more sustained pressure then fury.

[light granite]

i just happen to prefer arms, but if it was the other way around i'd play fury. bc this game is only fun if you are having fun

[copper hare]

Fury has less sustain than the demo lock pet

[spice hornet]

fury damage is ass

[rancid granite]

fury is p. good don't listen to these guys

[brazen rock]

fury is ass.

if you wanna play unga bunga meatgrinder mdps, play havoc

[rancid granite]

wow community so judgemental on meta like ok if you wanna try to be in top 1% maybe but

realistically fury fine

[gaunt scaffold]

If you wanna get farmed

[thick reef]

Meanwhile, at the Batcave...

[brazen rock]

fury. is. ass.

[spice hornet]

not really

[brazen rock]

im not judging you or anyone

im simply stating

[thick reef]

i swear fury is meh

[spice hornet]

it does no meaningful dam

[brazen rock]

that fury is ass.

[thick reef]

Fury is a shitter spec atm, and probably going into 10.0.5

[brazen rock]

if you wanna get offended or some dumb shit over that, go ahead.

[rancid granite]

judgemental noobers here

[thick reef]

agreed

[rancid granite]

bandwagon

[thick reef]

lol what

who r u

bro

[thick reef]

Someone who wasn't beaten enough as a child, clearly

[brazen rock]

[thick reef]

agreed, man some people on the internet are weird af

[rancid granite]

im a shitter 1500 solo shuffle arms player but people can have fun and play fury no problem

[thick reef]

oh yeah for sure they can

[brazen rock]

nobody said otherwise.

[thick reef]

it just feels weird to play fury

idk man

[spice hornet]

@rancid granite 2700+ CR solo shuff stats world

[thick reef]

Shitter
1500
Fury

This checks out

[rancid granite]

if they get heavy into pvp they can always swap to what they feel is better if they do feel is better

[brazen rock]

nobody said otherwise.

[rancid granite]

not everyone are elitest nerds tho

[brazen rock]

fury is still ass.

[rancid granite]

idk what this means

[brazen rock]

there is 1 fury above 2700 cr in shuffle.

[thick reef]

is it mud?

[rancid granite]

so you're proving my point

[brazen rock]

because its an ass spec that does nothing

[rancid granite]

go fury go

a fury player made it that far so live your dreams fellas

[brazen rock]

no ill play arms and actually have an impact on my games thanks

[thick reef]

he must be insane

i bet if he played arms he would be like 3k

[rancid granite]

but what if he's having fun as fury at 2700 bearing arms players who can't get that high

[brazen rock]

i dont care

nobody said anything about fun

[rancid granite]

we need a pro elitest meta pvp channel

[brazen rock]

fury being fun for you doesn't make it not an ass spec.

[thick reef]

fury is fun man, i get it i just hate how they gutted the MS of it and how the burst ijust feels so meh

[brazen rock]

holy shit your actually brain dead

[rancid granite]

pvp is about fun you guys talking about tryna win worlds lol

[crimson onyx]

What comp is Heavensfeel playing? only warr in top 100

[left scarab]

maybe fury will be not so bad after patch with the buffs?

[thick reef]

will be a bit better but arms on top bc of ignore pain lol

[thick reef]

Arms buffs outweigh it still

[brazen rock]

still gonna be ass

[thick reef]

thats what i think

[brazen rock]

if you want unga bunga mdps play havoc.

[thick reef]

^^

[brazen rock]

reroll and gearing takes 12 hours max

[rancid granite]

a good player gonna be able to take fury or arms far so play what's most fun

[thick reef]

ye

and u can get 60-70 in

like

2 hours

[crimson onyx]

What comp is Heavensfeel playing? only warr in top 100

[spice hornet]

my cooked ass 3s healer trying to tell me fury is going to be the play after the buffs on tuesday. literally saying "smf is getting buffed huge, 20% is so much"

[wheat jay]

Well

We shall see

15% buff to everything is quite big that's for sure

With 100% buff to thunderous roar

[spice hornet]

i feel like fury has more problems than just dam

weird ms, bad damage profile (maybe TR buffs will fix this? idk), suffers badly on swapping, passive cleave weak/nonexistent

[lean burrow]

fury is worse than vengeance dh?

[spice hornet]

personally I believe its the w orst melee atm

[lean burrow]

"but the healing is too op! blizzard pls nerf fury"

• people on internet

[spice hornet]

-says the 1500 dueling/bg heroes

[thick reef]

prob is

pressure just isnt there with the Ms nerf and the damage. Burst is a joke rofl

[spice hornet]

yep

[copper hare]

Blood dk might be worse

But that's a long shot

[spice hornet]

worst non-tank*

[cinder thorn]

Murlocs in Elwynn forest are worse

We need to be worse than murlocs so people can stop asking to nerf us

[worthy fern]

Imagine you’ve been playing arms all xpac and you get giga juiced in 2 days and get to shit on all the fotm rerollers

Can’t wait

[wheat jay]

And all fotm rerollers roll arms too

[sudden barn]

Fotm?

[muted surge]

Flavour of the month

[wheat jay]

In other words, current best

Meta

[mild thunder]

you mean, been playing arms all xpac, get giga-juiced overnight and then accused of being a fotm reroller by every demo lock and uhdk in the game

[sage raptor]

flavor*

[muted surge]

?

Not everyone speaks American

[high star]

never play anything but arms andys rise up

[flat dome]

I just can't wait to delete people with troar

[lusty moth]

i cant wait to go slam & op build and only use ms to apply wounds

60% slam dmg + 15% crit chance, 30% dmg & then 15% crit chance + 30% crit dmg

to the moon with these slams

[worthy fern]

@mild thunder exactly

[tardy flame]

Get accused of being FotM Arms reroller with full Dreadnaught >_>

[mild thunder]

All that

[flat dome]

Slam is still shit lol

[mild thunder]

For slam to still do half of an unbuffed ms

[mild thunder]

Gigachads spell flavour

[lusty moth]

nah bro ms in the dirt -5% dmg on it

[mild thunder]

True

They should rework unhinged to be two slams instead

[high sparrow]

lmao

[shut barn]

does anyone know why sarena is not working

[lusty moth]

how much bonus rage does gnome racial give?

[shut barn]

dude the new ui got me fucked up

[mild thunder]

5

Huge

[hot solstice]

idk...i feel like they should remove overpower buffinn damage on ms...hate this % stackinn damage thing they tryinn to make....I would rebalance damage on all abilities and make overpower stack crit chance on ms

[lusty moth]

yeh wait til i go in with 135 rage and rapid fire like 4/5 slam crits in your ass

[mild thunder]

Cutting down on modifiers would be nice, but it’ll never happen

It’s just the way the game is now

[hot solstice]

I just like legion damage...we didnt have huge numbers compared to now...but we had 30% haste/crit to spam damage

[mild thunder]

Yea but, look at what legion did to fury

[hot solstice]

and battle cry wasnot that big of a burst cd...ofc its 100% crit but u already had a lot of crit from colosus buff from artefact

[hot solstice]

well insta 1mill odins fury was fun

[mild thunder]

I want more thematic stuff for warrior, especially arms… dragonflight stuff has been cool, but we don’t have anything that screams badass

[hot solstice]

I want heroic strike back

[mild thunder]

Something like that old fiery sword talent we had for a while in wod, where you light your weapon on fire and do burn damage

Or old bloodbath

[hot solstice]

old spell reflect

[mild thunder]

Old old spell reflect where it cost rage

[hot solstice]

Idk I miss time when u could reflect dk grip and grip him to u

idk why they removed that

[hot solstice]

ye but with 10sec cd

stun on charge

[mild thunder]

Just give us the prot talent where they reflect all spells for 30 seconds

So we can just zug at ele shamans and locks

[hot solstice]

pummel and heroic throw 3sec silence

[mild thunder]

Heroic strike would be a better filler than slam

Make it do low base damage but consume like 10% of our bleeds to do it instantly

More fun than skullsplitter and we get heroic strike back

Make slam a ~15s burst ability that actually slams

[hot solstice]

overpower damage so low now....i could at least threatenn rog or dh while they dodge...now its cringe

it was better in sl

[mild thunder]

Overpower damage is definitely not low

Can already hit 50k-80k crits, and it’s getting buffed massively

[hot solstice]

just checked log from last bg with berserk and salt water - 40k biggest hit

[wheat jay]

This awc is dogshit xD

[sage raptor]

guess thats something else we gotta colonize

[hot solstice]

dh udk assa ele in every team

[mild thunder]

America doesn’t colonise though, that was the British empire…

That spells flavour with ou lol

[sage raptor]

well whatever

Amercian english is the correct english anyway

canonically

one sec

[hot solstice]

Irish english is a true one

[sage raptor]

its definitely an english lol

I refuse to let my tism send sources about how and why amercian english is the orignal english to strangers

[shut barn]

are u guys having problem with CD numbers on action bars?

[hot solstice]

u can fix that via options

[shut barn]

how

like my parry is on cd but its ready on action bars

[hot solstice]

reload?

[shut barn]

i have tried

i even disabled omnicc

[hot solstice]

dunno than...that new ui is so buggy

[limber sequoia]

You using bigdebuffs? Update did that to me

[jovial meteor]

are those icy veins guides updated?

the ones that are pinned

[shut barn]

Yeah

but i updated every addon before i come to the game

[limber sequoia]

Try disabling it. It has allot of bugs still, mainly with raid frames but they last update caused the same issue as you have for me

[wheat jay]

Original english is long gone

Now its combination of nordic languages, german, and a lot of french with a cherry on top being some small remnants of actual english

Peasant english

[shut barn]

still have the problem

idk what the fuck was this new ui

they had to make it optional

[teal cedar]

anything that makes your overpower charge count bigger?

[silver holly]

WA isntead of a button?

how to identify assrog go?

[spice hornet]

did he press shiv or deathmark

[oak heath]

Deathmark

[oak heath]

Get a WA but it should basically never be capped, you should be using it every possibility unless you need to MS

[digital crater]

Prot pala games

Holy fuck

This is my joker moment

[teal cedar]

its not better to 2 stack before a MS? for more burst

[tardy flame]

When you're setting up for burst, it is a good idea to stack 2 buffs before the sharpened MS

During regular rotation then just weave 'em as they come up

[oak heath]

Losing MS buff or deep wounds is worse

[smoky anchor]

yes it's a great idea, but don't tie sharpened ms to damage, use it primarily as a heal debuff

[tardy flame]

Ja, like when you're setting up for burst and want to reduce their healing received too >_>

[spice hornet]

anyone familiar with plater? I have all debuffs showing on enemy nameplates and i odnt like that because it makes it hard to see which lock dots I have on them

[grand scaffold]

🤢

[spice hornet]

lol

why is qing double of any spec allowed

its always dhs/locks/shamans and sometimes druids where that garbage becomes viable

[long ridge]

i'd be happy to go vs double dh

post nerf

[smoky anchor]

ya they still do tons of damage but they drop so much easier now

but double darkness sounds aids

man can't wait for tues. been winning a lot lately after i got 2pc

[grand scaffold]

lost 48 rating that game

so stupid

[long ridge]

bro stop qing

wait for tues

i thought u were working out and shit do that for 2 days

[grand scaffold]

i was

then i got bored

:/

[smoky anchor]

lifting weights is such a waste of time

[long ridge]

yeah why do anything when you can lose rating

sorry 😛

[smoky anchor]

nah the true chad move is to queue arena and do tren/test e/clen while sitting on your fat ass and get yoked

[long ridge]

bro do we know each other... literally my life

i'm fat lazy nerd yoked

[smoky anchor]

as a bonus u can go lift weights with awful form like zyzz and get fakkin shredded breh

but that comes second to queueing arena

[long ridge]

too soon

RIP

damn he had a heart attack at 22 in a party city in thailand what a legend

[thick reef]

The real pro strat is to queue as Dagger Fury for the express purpose of throwing games 0-6

if you actually win 1 or 2, you are a fucking legend or low mmr

[spice hornet]

maan i used to be obsessed with him in like 2009-2011 lol

u mirin brah

zyzz return of the king is my fav youtube video

[smoky anchor]

there's a little bit of zyzz in all of us bruhs

Wow this is absolute aids

https://clips.twitch.tv/InexpensiveBenevolentRingMingLee-8PG2IxmtSAW4GHEv

[empty marsh]

about how much ilvl is worth dropping for tier as arms?

[indigo barn]

Who the fuck decides these comp names

[smoky anchor]

tsg is literally just random three letters

I'm more confused as to why they all have to have "cleave" in the name

2345 is the best comp name though

[indigo barn]

I mean, they did cleave yes?

[smoky anchor]

thinking wizard cleave/kung fu cleave etc. completely random. catchy tho i will say that

[mild thunder]

tsg does stand for something

i just dont remember what

[spice hornet]

wasnt it the name of the team that won blizzcon or w/e that year

[smoky anchor]

ya but they said they made it up, completely random

you might think it's their teamname but it's a backronym

at least that's what i heard/remember

[severe basin]

Yes

The super gosus

Warrior/dk/holy priest

[smoky anchor]

will there ever be another villain as cool as illidan and the lich king

[severe basin]

Sorry

Holy paladin

[smoky anchor]

not counting of course the best villain of all time sylvanasx

[severe basin]

Idk why said priest

[smoky anchor]

idk but i get solo'd by disc priests in wpvp

very sad

[mystic barn]

noob

[maiden tide]

do the warrior talents for Move speed and leech (5% each if i remember correctly) not work in arena / pvp ?

[bright stream]

they work in arena

and theyre both quite good

but you take the leach at least for SS because war needs it and pug healers are toilet

[smoky anchor]

are sv h unters killable? or should i kill the rogue/ele partnered with em

hardly ever face them

[bright stream]

ele>rogue>ss hunter

ele should always be your target if its an option

for any melee

rogues are good option as arms because you check/counter them depending on their spec

sv hunter will be next to you for swaps as is melee, so its not a priority

[smoky anchor]

thx

think i need to lvl rogue

they can really contorl matches

[oak heath]

SVs job in RSS is to be as annoying as possible, but they do like really consistent damage. Really good SVs look like they're playing a different game tho

[late nacelle]

1 set gang next reset rise up

[steep inlet]

Their creator Is back in WoW so maybe

Chris Metzen

[mild thunder]

wait

chris metzen is back??

i don't know how he would even begin to rescue the mess that is wow lore at this rate

[muted surge]

Hopefully with more time travel and spaceships

[mild thunder]

they've retconned way too much through all the stupid SL plotlines, you can barely even do anything meaningful with the titans anymore

there's always one more "man behind the curtain" now

[pure hornet]

Chris Metzen is a very capable man

[silver holly]

at the very least he can 1v1 danuser

[hollow ore]

At the very least he cant do worst than BFA and SL lorewise kekw

[mild thunder]

They unironically need to just retcon all of SL

There was nothing good in it

[fickle forge]

Denathrius was good

[mild thunder]

Wasn’t horrible, but they ruined the Dreadlords

[craggy meteor]

Why do people bladestorm during spear? Since they can’t get away anyway, I would have thought you’d want to pump MS during spear then bladestorm after so they can’t root/slow you and run away?

[mild thunder]

Most people that do that run unhinged, so bladestorm is their major burst, and just because they can’t get away, doesn’t mean they can’t stun, disarm, blind etc

[fickle forge]

BS actually does okay dmg

[muted surge]

Everyone can get away from spear :(

[mild thunder]

Not true

We can’t

[pure hornet]

😂

[mild thunder]

Best we can do is pre-bladestorm and we don’t get tethered

[muted surge]

We can

Just parry it

[fickle forge]

?

[mild thunder]

If you pre-bladestorm the initial hit of spear, you don’t get tethered

At least that’s how it was in SL, I guess it might have changed

[fickle forge]

I'm 99% sure that this isn't the case

[muted surge]

Im 1% sure it is

[fickle forge]

And it definitely wasn't a thing in SL

[mild thunder]

It’s happened to me a few times, purely accidentally

[fickle forge]

Pretty sure you were on DR dude

You can still grip a storming warr

Just like a DK can grip you

[mild thunder]

I am now less certain, but I guess it’s worth testing

[fickle forge]

For sure

Would be lit if true

[mild thunder]

But it would make sense… if you spear other cc-immune things like fleshcraft, it won’t tether

I also did that several times

[fickle forge]

Flesh was full immunity

But BS isn't

You can still get vortexed and gripped in BS

[mild thunder]

Bladestorm kinda is, but it doesn’t remove stuff that’s already on you, same as vortex, right?

If you’re bladestorming when vortex is applied, I’m pretty sure you’ll immune it

[fickle forge]

Nah, you'll be yoinked back

[mild thunder]

I’ll test spear later and let you know

[steel trout]

2 more days until ignore pain 🤲

[steep inlet]

Pain will be on the other classes now

We will destroy them

[hollow ore]

VRING ZE PAIN JA

[mild thunder]

until we get giga-nerfed

[hollow ore]

Getting giganerfed when devoker+frost dk is a thing smh

[steel trout]

i mean with the way

ppl are already calling arms good right now

maybe we can have fun for 2 weeks

[mild thunder]

nerfs are 100% not far off... i give it 1-2 weeks after 10.0.5

[steel trout]

[mild thunder]

if we're lucky, it'll just be some nerfs to mortal strike

[hollow ore]

5 days, hotfix on sunday, remove war arms actual arms

Only wheelchair and angry biting

[mild thunder]

they'll target our burst when they nerf us imo

[hollow ore]

Im all for a less bursty meta tbf

[steel trout]

i dont mind if they lower our burst

if we have survavability

but the fact that people are crying like dogs right now

[hollow ore]

Getting nuked in 3 frames after a RANGED DISARM because you couldnt fear a cc on healer is 🤪

[mild thunder]

Agreed, I don’t want to be OP. I just don’t want to be a glass cannon

[steel trout]

ye same

[late nacelle]

But guys

[muted surge]

The other arms buffs might be a bit too much tho

[late nacelle]

Bleed build feels forced upon us

Next patch

[muted surge]

2 weeks to get from 0 to glad

[fickle forge]

Take a spot with the other 50 glads

😎👍

[hollow ore]

Ret's getting nerfed, feral is my new besto friendo 🐒

[late nacelle]

Feral got dumpstered too

[hollow ore]

Fr? Didnt see it

[late nacelle]

Yes

MASSIVE nerfs

[hollow ore]

Well guck how am I supposed to abuse fotm now

[late nacelle]

Arms warr ofc

[hollow ore]

Well that is a given

Question is what "team mate" am I bringing

[late nacelle]

Ignore pain, dragon roar dmg doubled

Another arms warr

[hollow ore]

(If you can consider rets and ferals as human beings ofc)

Thats zugzug I like it

[steel trout]

i saw sterge didnt even put arms in S tier for next patch

[hollow ore]

Tierlist are biaised as fuck

[steel trout]

yes of course

[late nacelle]

People will start getting set pieces now too

[hollow ore]

Look at skillcapped calling ret c tier for 5 weeks

[muted surge]

Lumberjack cleave

[hollow ore]

When it was one tappin people from d1

[steel trout]

well ret got their burst buffed

[muted surge]

Bcs tierlists are shit

[late nacelle]

Im just sad

Being forced into rend build

[hollow ore]

I cant remember who said it but some mage said

Rets are a fucking cult

Theyll play like garbage and whine class is weak

Then one shot everyone up to 2.7k and let the cat out of the bag then

LMAO

[steel trout]

i think ret wasnt that good until they buffed it

now after nerf prob not so good again

[hollow ore]

Ret was buffed only on constant dmg tho right?

Burst was already batshit

And next patch its getting tuned down quite a bit

[late nacelle]

Im gonna miss spear of bastion

[hollow ore]

Still more satisfying than pressing dlam tbf

[late nacelle]

So much

[hollow ore]

Slam* + fuck spear

Everyone and their mom can get out of it

[late nacelle]

It was funny

[hollow ore]

I only miss +25% crit dmg 😔

[late nacelle]

Doing 80k CS into 150k spear into 180k MS tho

[steel trout]

no

it was burst buff

[late nacelle]

Crusader strike big buff

[obtuse musk]

Ruins of lordaeron, solo shuf, surv/dk/demo. I could not do anything. Surv and dk tripled my damage, i was forced to sit d stance half the time..and was still just dying. just bad lobby or did i just play bad?

[bright stream]

who was your target each round?

fury or arms?

which healers?

[obtuse musk]

Arms…tried to go demo or hunter depending…holy priest and rdruid

[bright stream]

I would target demo>dk(when demo on your team), play disarm every game,

going hunter is somewhat trolling

[obtuse musk]

Ya

[bright stream]

theyre not a great target for melee dps

you shouldnt be ona healer before 3minute mark generally speaking

and even then, most of the time its an all in/throw

against dk, you want to try to leap their slappy hands

walk out til first grip

then jump

assuming you're the target

are you darkiron?

[obtuse musk]

Human

I was usually the target

[bright stream]

yeah, sadly in that situation you just gotta sit dstance all game

basically

[obtuse musk]

But once die is done feels bad

[bright stream]

disarm dk at like 40%

and hope your lock/dk lands a kill

while you maintain ms, slows, and look for a good fear on healer

[obtuse musk]

I won 2 rounds, but only with hunter

He 6/6

[bright stream]

well thats a bigger problem

he was probably clowning on the healers if he went 6/6

in which case you might want to keep an eye out for frst traps to intervene them

what mmr was this at?

[muted surge]

Why are heals a bad target?

[obtuse musk]

1800 ish

[bright stream]

because as a melee dps, your dps target choice impacts the positioning and opportunities for that player

[obtuse musk]

I tried to intervene but hed either hold or wait till i was stunned to trap

[bright stream]

so if you sit on the healer, the 2 dps players are free to do waht they want

and your positioning ends up very bad

I can tell you, a huge % of my SS games that I lose in the 2200-2400 range are because a dps partner makes a random swap to the healer, commits, and a suddenly free to cst warlock/mage/priest pounds someone to death

[steel trout]

going hunter isnt a bad idea

esp survival

just have to swap more often then and not mindlessly chase

[bright stream]

another way to think bout it is

if you're on the healer, they were already worried about who was dying, it's just now them theyre looking at

if you're on a dps, they're now worrying about dying themselves as well as trying to get a kill

that means they're juking - burning through defensives, hiding, running, etc

and all of that is going to reduce the amount of damage and control theyve got

[muted surge]

I see, makes sense

[obtuse musk]

Thanks for all the info, ill have to keep it in mind

[craggy meteor]

Makes sense. Thank you!

[fickle forge]

Going healer for SS is super viable though

[lilac rivet]

Currently using following build, exceptions are just the use of trow-talents instead of barbaric traing and endurance on left tree. Mostly playing 2v2 and SS and wrecking people with big crits most of the times. Any other opinions on the build? Open for tips and clues.
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAQFVUUFEERURQllEQEBROVVFRUFUBVCYRUBBA

[fickle forge]

No healer lives having 2 melees on them or being swapped to, they need peels

[steel trout]

why jugg and fatality

jugg big shit fatality not very good either outside of 2s perhaps

sidearm shit too better take frothing berserker

[lilac rivet]

in 2v2 most fights take several minutes and after long pressure they cant keep them up after they fall under 35%

[fickle forge]

Bladestorm and parry CD??

[steel trout]

^

[lilac rivet]

gonna change sidearm, thanks

[steel trout]

yes fatality is OK in 2s

if its a matchup u know u only gonna train 1 target

but even then

[fickle forge]

I'd take kick CDR as well

[steel trout]

its not that good

bitter immunity is also pretty shit

[fickle forge]

Drop EP and Jugg and go grab BS

[steel trout]

the only time id take it is prob like into rmx

for another button to press, but its a worse heal then impending on 3 min cd

[lilac rivet]

got BS-build for melee cleave and 3v3 of course but was curious about the mentioned build

[steel trout]

u can pre-bs a lot of goes so even if u play w/o unhinged its good

[fickle forge]

I'd always go BS

Too strong

[steel trout]

same

[fickle forge]

Not having 1.5 min parry is pretty yikes too

[lilac rivet]

thats gonna change on wednsday anyway but yes

[fickle forge]

Fair

[lilac rivet]

thanks, gonna try some changes in that case

[craggy quest]

Hello guys. Some good players plays with 18-19% haste, what do you think about that ?

in pvp, in arms

[craggy meteor]

If I am running unhinged, should I pop avatar before bladestorm? Feels like a bit of a waste of avatar's root break and recklessness's rage gen but equally, I want to pump lots of damage in bladestorm, right?

[steel trout]

u most often play with blademaster instead with unhinged

so pressing avatar gives u bladestorm

[craggy meteor]

you mean instead of warlord's torment?

[steel trout]

yes

[craggy meteor]

ah ok

makes sense

so then I get the root break from avatar bladestorm then still have another bladestorm for after?

[steel trout]

it just gives u more value from unhinged

since avatar procs bladestorm

[vapid rover]

Lei’Shen deserved his full storyline…

[vapid rover]

So with blademadter if you want to pump hard, you can CS + avatar and that proc the BS out of gcd ?

[craggy meteor]

gotcha thanks

and if I may ask another, should I sharpen into the avatar or when I come out?

[steel trout]

if u want to pump with it u can stack mortal strike modifiers before u press cs + avatar

[craggy meteor]

I'm pretty sure the sharpen can be used on the bladestrom MSs

[steel trout]

it can yes

its either on pop or when enemy low/healer comes out of cc

[vapid rover]

When you burst, you try to sharpen in oppen or you wait the target is ~50-60% hp to use it ?

[steel trout]

i just send it with all modifiers

[steel trout]

in general you want to use it

when enemy is low

so in a go, a good time to sharpen would be when enemy healer is coming out of cc

[vapid rover]

Okay, so if not you wait a bit, when your target loose some hp, right ?

[steel trout]

yes since it reduces healing u generally dont want to use it when enemy is full health))

[vapid rover]

Okok, i have bad habit to doing it on first global when i decide to burst (after cs and spear) to preshot big heals, i know not that good but hard to go away bad habit :x

[craggy meteor]

same

I use it as I CS

need to stop

[feral heath]

If you play with blade master use before BS but after avatar's bladestorm. Spear colossus avatarspin sharpen bladestorm

[vapid rover]

Yeah, that’s because my sharpen is so eady to une on my binds. 1 is MS, alt+1 is MS+Sharpen… im too deep into muscular memory now…

[craggy meteor]

yeah that seems like a good order

[late nacelle]

Guys

CS

Before spear

[vapid rover]

I dont play blademaster so i dont have this order x)
But with torment im easy to read

[late nacelle]

Spear can crit 150k+ on impact

[pure hornet]

Good to know

[vapid rover]

Yeah and vecause CS have low CD, if you get cc/or big CD def, you dont gonna loose a spear on it

[steel trout]

yea especially if u run the impact dam talent

[feral heath]

Oh yeah. I wrote the wrong order 😅

Also use SS and racial/trinket before

[late nacelle]

Im gonna miss spear build

Dragon roar dmg doubled is too much to pass up on tho

[steel trout]

we will see...

🙏 dr is worse

[late nacelle]

Also gonna be interesting to see how strong fury will be with buff

[steel trout]

still shit prob

[fickle forge]

Roar was already okay

Def the play now

[steel trout]

yea im just not a fan

[fickle forge]

Roar sorta reminds me of that one arms warr Zhrey faced that played Rend + Clap

[late nacelle]

Rend + clap thundercock chad

The fury buffs are pretty big tho

Could push fury into too much pressure territory tbh

Exe buff especially interesting due to the strong synergy on set bonus

[muted surge]

Best thing about playing roar is that I wont miss with the spear anymore

[mild thunder]

fury buffs are tiny... it'll be like ~8% to its sustained dps and thats it

exe buff is shit when their execute will still do less than bloodbath

if they're lucky, furycels may find themselves in B tier after reset

[digital crater]

In 2's, how to play the rdruid + arms vs like

Arcane + MM matchup?

It's so much burst so quickly on unstealth that I'm not sure

Easily die through walls

[late nacelle]

Exe does more than BT now already

Test it if u want

[undone pumice]

vcon bbath will still be fury's hardest hitting button by far

[elfin surge]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAPBVVUVEERUEQpRQVBVOVVBRURUJVCRVARCQA

thoughts?

[turbid ember]

Bad

[elfin surge]

ptr build

fuck u b rock

[steel trout]

so big dam

[turbid ember]

I gave it a long and thorough review and used advanced math to come to that conclusion

[steel trout]

why improve ss over strength of arms?

[elfin surge]

have u guys seen the skullslitter build no longer expires deep wounds on ptr

just rend

[mild thunder]

omg, awesome build dude

[steel trout]

surely thats a bug right

[mild thunder]

i shared the same one the other day

[elfin surge]

tooltip has changed

[turbid ember]

Love me a skull slit

[tribal wedge]

Intended

[elfin surge]

max cleave build, i assume both will be played

i think roar is going to overtake spear

will see tho

[mild thunder]

mud is sleeping on thunder clap

it will reign supreme

[elfin surge]

thunderclap is an rbg talent

[mild thunder]

its a pad on all the pets talent

[warped warren]

mid is known for being turbo slow in brian, reposting stuff 50 times. new addition, claiming builds

[elfin surge]

i didnt repost his build u ape

[sly walrus]

[mild thunder]

cope

[elfin surge]

im quitting wow

no more kitty cleave

im done for

[steel trout]

feral no boorst....

[mild thunder]

dont worry, our new damage will make up for it

we'll become the hyper carry

[steel trout]

tonyferalmovies the new picasso fr

[turbid ember]

Just get me IP so I can be out of defensive stance more

[late nacelle]

What we really need

Is mortal combo back

That shit was smooth

[thick reef]

did anyone check on the ptr if slam becomes a "good" button if you pick all the talents? crushing force barbaric training improved slam?

or is it still useless

[late nacelle]

Still useless

[mild thunder]

still completely useless

[thick reef]

great so no reason to make room on my bar^^

[late nacelle]

They should just make it generate 20 rage or something

[mild thunder]

just fill every button with mortal strike

[late nacelle]

12 sec CD

[mild thunder]

we have too much rage though?

[late nacelle]

Might see SOME use then

[turbid ember]

I've had a spot open for IP since I've heard about it

[late nacelle]

Nah

We have ignore pain now

Rage will be byebye

[mild thunder]

arms definitely does not need more rage gen

thats whats led to the mess of how it plays rn

-40 rage every 11 seconds will not affect our rage influx that much at all

[thick reef]

will ignore pain have a cd? its 1 sec on wowhead? i assume its 12~ sec like before?

[late nacelle]

They should just give arms rampage and call it a day

[digital crater]

So are you guys never using slam?

[late nacelle]

Never

[mild thunder]

literally never

[digital crater]

How do you fill your GCD's?

[thick reef]

never pressed it

rend

[digital crater]

Or do you leave them empty

[late nacelle]

Hamstring

[mild thunder]

if you need a filler, press rend or hamstring

[digital crater]

Gala could you link your build?

[mild thunder]

sure

pretty stockstandard

[late nacelle]

Inb4 rend enjoyer

[mild thunder]

wait, for live, or for 10.0.5?

[thick reef]

rend > stormwall/fuel by violence

[mild thunder]

FbV is actually the most useless shit in wow, i have no clue why anyone would ever pick it

you'd need 10+ targets to even begin seeing an effect from it

[turbid ember]

I hate spear and all the random stuff that lets people avoid it

[thick reef]

+1 i hope Thunderous Roar is good enough

cba seeing people bugging out of spear

[late nacelle]

Fueled by violence is some good tech vs demolocks

[mild thunder]

doubt

[late nacelle]

You heal like 30% hp per tick

[digital crater]

Is it worth to swap FbV for Rend without any other rend shit talented?

[mild thunder]

omega doubt

[thick reef]

yes

[late nacelle]

Nah

[sage raptor]

everytime I see your name I generate 20 rage

[late nacelle]

I live to serve

[mild thunder]

this is what i run for like 90% of my games because i fucking hate unhinged

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSEJEJpUSSAAAAAJEJJakAERjSiAoJRIBIJRCAAAAAAAAJIJJCAA

[late nacelle]

Trust

[mild thunder]

you're not even getting aoe deep wounds out except with bladestorm

its beyond useless

[late nacelle]

Yes

Do that

Do it just before nether portal ending

Then pitlord is useless for like 8 sec

[mild thunder]

so you take FbV for a mediocre heal that you can only access every ~70 seconds instead of rend?

and there's no shot that you're healing 30% per tick lmao

3% maybe, if you're lucky

[late nacelle]

I mean u can make bladestorm into a 35-40 sec CD

[late nacelle]

And yes

[mild thunder]

storm of destruction into a demo is even more of a waste

[late nacelle]

Im telling u

Its dark technology

[mild thunder]

if you can show me a screenshot or something of you're FbV healing for over 90k, i'll believe you

but its not happening

[late nacelle]

Suit yourself, not all must partake

[mild thunder]

because its not happening lmao

[late nacelle]

It is

[mild thunder]

then prove it

[digital crater]

What's wrong with unhinged, to you?

Asides from pet problems?

[mild thunder]

i just hate the playstyle

its good, i just dont enjoy it

[turbid ember]

If its good then you have to enjoy it

Its the law

[late nacelle]

i have shared the intel

my part is done

use or dont

up to y

if nothing else

[mild thunder]

deep wounds hits for ~3000/3sec (rounded out the numbers for easier math), excluding any bleed-buffing talents because you don't take those... this comes out to FbV healing of about 2400/3sec, or 800/sec

so, in order to heal 90k (the lower end of 30% for most health pools) per second, you're going to have to have this active on ~112 targets

this is before any dampening, or mortal wounds effects

[late nacelle]

its pretty straight forward math

[mild thunder]

TL;DR

its not happening

[late nacelle]

not per second

per tick

and thats some pretty low deep wounds dmg ur dealing then

[mild thunder]

even per tick, its not happening

[late nacelle]

5k heal per target per tick

[mild thunder]

and nope, thats standard deep wounds damage

[late nacelle]

20 targets

cheers

[mild thunder]

show me your 5k heal per tick

please

[late nacelle]

you played yourself

[muted surge]

Does it get buffed or how do you get those numbers

Considering we dont even take it on pve bcs its shit

[mild thunder]

he doesnt get those numbers

[muted surge]

And bleed is nerfed in pvp

[smoky anchor]

11s CD. Buff lasts 11

Does anyone know if they got rid of stacking?

[elfin surge]

2 days ago it still stacked if u spammed it

[mild thunder]

on the pvp target dummy in valdrakken, with full CDs, its possible to get >6k FbV crit heals

so when the target has no versatility, there's no dampening and no ms effect, and you have full CDs and are critting, its remotely possible

[elfin surge]

fueled by violence is so troll

i swear

[steel trout]

its still shit but this is from last game

[mild thunder]

no no, it heals me for 30% per tick, i swear 🤡

[late nacelle]

stay sane, exile

[mild thunder]

remember when it was 180% deep wounds in SL and we still never took it? yea, its shit

[late nacelle]

it is bad

it is good tech vs demo lock tho

[mild thunder]

im just waiting

[late nacelle]

no need

not gonna find a demolock just to prove a point

use it or dont

dont care

[mild thunder]

lmao ok bud

[elfin surge]

lmao ok bud

[muted surge]

Do pets have vers?

And do minions from lock count as a pet?

[sage raptor]

they count

[mild thunder]

The pet does

[copper hare]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BluePiercingStarThisIsSparta-0bh2d03r6UCcRWPV

Bud

[sly walrus]

Bud

[digital crater]

Just testing swapping FbV for Rend round by round, on average FvB did like ~50k healing in the best case scenario

Rend is like 350k damage a round

[hot solstice]

20/20 crit/haste or full crit?

[elfin surge]

crit is going to lose value tomorrow if roar build takes over

[hot solstice]

hate that button

feels out of arms

[hollow cradle]

Arms of fury for PvP atm?

[pearl prism]

prot

[mild thunder]

Not enough to ditch crit for haste, surely? Spear only gives 12% crit damage every 90 seconds

[elfin surge]

arms

[elfin surge]

im already stacking haste

[mild thunder]

Barf

[pearl prism]

Is everyone swapping out battlemaster health trinket with tomorrows patch?

since we're now more tanky?

assuming you were using it

[warm portal]

All my homies hate battlemasters
Id rather die than not do big dam

[worthy fern]

I use tf out of Bm

[turbid ember]

I thought it was weird that they're nerfing the PvP trinket set bonus

Pretty significantly

[worthy fern]

Rally bm into a fat Iv

Theyre trying to slow games down

A bit

[warm portal]

I'll admit that feels good

[worthy fern]

So little Stam buff with an overall dmg nerf

[warm portal]

People are saying the stam buff is like 15-25k so a minor bump

[worthy fern]

Yea it’s small

[warm portal]

Really just indirectly buffs fury with % heals more lol

[worthy fern]

I wonder if Ip will be less

Because it’s scaled off ap

[turbid ember]

People dying in globals isn't fun

[worthy fern]

Was like 50k on ptr

Prob less now

[turbid ember]

When I was playing my healer https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1021806032105771158/1064698502938116166/image.png

[muted surge]

You had enough time to pump an instant out

[warm portal]

Don't worry thats gone tomorrow 🙂

[quaint snow]

1.5 seconds thats more than enough time to react properly….

[gentle depot]

i mean if your dps dont stop a double tap

and die

they can only blame themselves

[turbid ember]

Assuming my GCD was up at that time

That's my point though, dead in a global from a relatively good amount of health isn't fun. If any other person had been attacking that target then it would have been impossible

[muted surge]

Gcd is only 1 sec, you had over 1.5

Seems like a skill issue

[turbid ember]

I'm not saying I'm good. But sure man. You explain why finding healers is hard then

[warm portal]

One of the dps should definitely be anticipating and trying to stop the double tap

Id say your dps failed you there

[ripe snow]

Any tips for fighting shamans? I get a bit confused on how to deal with the totems. Age 52 warrior here who appreciates this discord 👊🏻🤙🏻

[severe basin]

arms gonna shine the light off dks

and take the top dog spot

[warm portal]

What totems specifically?

[turbid ember]

It was solo queue so I can't expect DPS to do anything. There was probably something that I could have done, but if that's just what was going to stay the reality, I just wouldn't heal anymore.

[severe basin]

i love killing people in a global tbh

not fun when it happens to u

but its fun when u do it first

[ripe snow]

Which ones are priority I guess and how to take out. I have a mouseover for throw but I’m always too close then panic and hit MS on it.

[warm portal]

If they arnt going to help peel or use their own defensive theres only so much you can do. When theres an mm the double tap mega dam is to be expected

[muted surge]

Its kind of a joke

[warm portal]

Kill spirit link, healing tide, grounding, and skyfury. You can smack others as you're running by to spend some overpowers if you can't hit a player

[turbid ember]

Apparently rdruid is supposed to spec healing range and just stay at max range and PVE heal

[warm portal]

Yes

[turbid ember]

Skyfury is a big one

[severe basin]

they're heal bots

[warm portal]

Rdruid in the shuff is often a big max range pve healer

[ripe snow]

Thanks brother 🙂

[turbid ember]

I've seen so many rdruids lose when trying to cc someone

[severe basin]

if they arent good at it they shouldnt bother

[warm portal]

Yeah it can be good but a lot of them lose like 5-6 globals while trying to get that cc and then someone is just dead lol

[severe basin]

if they're good at it then they carry games

[smoky anchor]

Man bleed build would be so awesome if it ends up being giga chad

Tired of relying on spear anyway

[severe basin]

i hate spear

[warm portal]

Spear feels like dogshit