Theyre getting like a blanket 30% dmg nerf
#pvp
mild thunder
Theyre getting like a blanket 30% dmg nerf
It’s 18% to rake and rip and then 10% to ff (shit ability anyway atm)
On top of that, they’re getting tankier, more utility and access to more abilities in their spec tree… I don’t think people realise feral was getting massive buffs in 10.0.5
The nerfs will bring them back in line, probably a high A/low S spot
sage raptor
oh shit yeah good catch
rallying cry is for people who die so none of that nonsense either
high sparrow
Oh it is 18%
18% dmg nerf to a couple abilities when they were doing 100% more than other specs
i think feral will be fine
mild thunder
Yea exactly, feral damage is absurdly far ahead of everyone else
Even if they weren’t getting buffed, the nerfs wouldn’t be that bad
wheat crane
Yea i legit thought it was -30% on rip rake for some reason
mild thunder
When they sustain 50k+ dps in a game 
wheat crane
-18% is still decent but not dead spec level
zenith marlin
they gotta do a 30% dmg nerf to fkn DHs if anything
zenith marlin
Bet
wheat crane
Dh died even before the nerfs
zenith marlin
Bad DHs I imagine
wheat crane
My highest ms crits were on dh
mild thunder
The only nerf I wanna see to dh now is making them disarmable
wheat crane
Cant heal back a 1 shot
sage raptor
I've yet to hit over 18k
zenith marlin
what
wheat crane
I've yet to hit over 18k
You mean 180k lol
wheat crane
since they can fly off anytime u pop spear
Yea but you only need 3 globals to get off a sharpen with preprep
You can fit it in a stormbolt
sage raptor
You mean 180k lol
I have an agility dagger and smf
late nacelle
to punish u
sage raptor
no 20k crits here sir
high sparrow
wtf is a 20k crit
slam probably
wheat crane
You need jesus popo
sage raptor
lmaoo
zenith marlin
rather save rage fir execute
sage raptor
oh I see the problem
I need an intellect dagger
my dude isnt smart enough to hit a 20k crit
wheat crane
I need an intellect dagger
Be one with the maker
high sparrow
wheat crane
Enlightenment
sage raptor
so im thinking caster arms
sage raptor
intellect staff
high sparrow
so im thinking caster arms
u should try a heroic throw spec
i think it has potential
bold plover
Should be demolishing because it has a cast time like real casters use.
sage raptor
yo shoutout to all the rares and world bosses giving me weapons I cant use. Very cool.
and the new m+ loot system
and now for my next trick, a regular prot build.
zenith marlin
wait
I am trying to 1v1 this arcane mage
I have 0 uptime
literally 0
these developers are fkn 10 iqw
coral axle
Mages farming wars is a tale as old as warcraft itself
high sparrow
I have 0 uptime
i saw on the forums that warriors are literally unkiteable tho???
zenith marlin
Unkiteable by ppl with 2 fingers maybe
quasi lotus
warr loses 1v1 to basically every class
zenith marlin
Tbf if I could only move my 2 cheeks to play mage I could kite a warr
high sparrow
Tbf if I could only move my 2 cheeks to play mage I could kite a warr
one cheek claps blink
other cheek claps arcane barrage
ez dub
zenith marlin
whose fkn idea was it to make warr not a strong solo spec like
its called WARRIOR for gods sake
hollow ore
Sure they could grab lower healers but then youd go 6-0 and gain 0 rating
long ridge
just played all melee lobby except 1 mm
crude bane
even on Pserver with 1K ppl is 5 Min or less
long ridge
team w/ mm on it won every time
high sparrow
https://gyazo.com/d6d9f9d7fab63855ca6370ed23aec4c4
damn this temps passe en file is not bussin
no 🧢
long ridge
I cAnT I CAN'T LET IT GO
crude bane
i stoped pve cause its IRL time killer
coarse portal
Sure they could grab lower healers but then youd go 6-0 and gain 0 rating
I still get the low healers regardless how long I wait hahahahaha
crude bane
now im sitting here 30 min q
hollow ore
Feelsbadman
hollow ore
Im fine with 30 min queue to get into a game with 3 disarm being 2 rogues and 1 monk tbh
I need that much time to chill
SS is a free elite mog on alts but god is it fucking bad
coarse portal
I'm doing OSRS slayer grind while i'm doing wq/mining
full quiver
@grand scaffold r u late 20s
crude bane
2 solo in 1 hour+
grand scaffold
<@668086812140371978> r u late 20s
why do you ask?
crude bane
could have done 2 MM+
full quiver
@quasi lotus idiot
quasi lotus
shut up fatnoobberz
mystic barn
drop it like it’s hot just like ur cr
full quiver
Inc child predator
high sparrow
Hey I was 227.9 today
the cut is going to be biblical
full quiver
Yeah in that it's gonna be a disaster of biblical proportions
barren vale
serious question, how do we not die?
long ridge
wait until tues
barren vale
as arms
topaz tulip
Is there any particular reason people seem to be running unhinged/sb over jug, ep or fatality for more exe utility?
grand scaffold
shut up fatnoobberz
what made you think i was below 18
long ridge
jug sucks
grand scaffold
😂
quasi lotus
Afro lied to me
barren vale
If I had to guess, it's because you don't get to execute all that much
full quiver
Bev is a predator
grand scaffold
Bev is a predator
😂
long ridge
yeah, 16th from the bottom am i right
barren vale
but actually outside of a spell reflect every 30 and DBTS every 90 with a few heals sprinkled in, we just have nothing?
long ridge
impend, dstance, leap
barren vale
should I be putting leech enchants on my armor lol
full quiver
Arms gonna be s tier again
barren vale
I know we're getting IP
crude bane
3-3 lobby
barren vale
so that'll be great
crude bane
like i said
topaz tulip
warlord and EP
So if i took warlord, I should be using ep instead of unhinged?
crude bane
devoker presser retardbreath
long ridge
u can do either
crude bane
pressed*
full quiver
I had a devoted do negative dam entire shuffle
long ridge
blade/master+unhinged is good vs double melee with no pets
long ridge
but if it's a UHDK then don't go either, go warlord+ep
full quiver
topaz tulip
Noted. I think by that logic I'll use ep as default
grand scaffold
Arms gonna be s tier again
nah man
its totally gonna be b-
gotta spread the word
long ridge
I alrdy see people fucking flippin' out
coarse portal
Arms is S tier in my eyes forever
long ridge
NERF ARMS even though it hasn't hit yet
wispy cedar
is Scooberz @ing me in random discord again
coral axle
We need to do the ultimate downplay like ret pallies and devokers did "nah our spec sucks bro ur just bad we die"
rancid granite
Arms is S tier in my eyes forever
fury is pve too in my eyes forever
but I want it to be good ever since I got my blade of hanna
so I can weeb it up dual wielding katanas
long ridge
bro why are you not a monk
thick reef
We need to do the ultimate downplay like ret pallies and devokers did "nah our s...
What are the one shot fire breath evokers and instant pop all buff and burst pallies going to do though
Do you want them to play the game?
rancid granite
bro why are you not a monk
Ill try it out one day maybe sooner than later; haven't played since wotlk so they're new to me
rancid granite
😔 1h can work maybe
oak heath
So I got to like 1600 in RSS and have been hovering between that and 1400. For some reason I've been fighting a LOT of frost mages and I find myself nailed to the ground most of the time even running war banner.
I just redid my keybinds to make information easier. I have sArena, omni CD and I'm doing my best to pay attention to what people have or dont have, who I need to intervene and peel for. But I'm having trouble like... delivering my damage? I see a lot of warriors in clips just absolutely crush people but I feel like I don't do any damage
This is my first time really getting into arena or anything rated so obviously I'm just going to be shit until I have full control over my character and have put in the reps and played a LOT
sage raptor
overall less burst meta
bro literally didnt even mention hamstring
long ridge
what's going on w/ hamstring
ZERYL it's all about practice, watching arms steams
frost mage is pretty good counter to arms war, sometimes u gotta hit whatever u can
sage raptor
use it before you kite for extra kite-age
long ridge
oh well yeah
hamstring and howl
u should always have hamstring up on ur kill target at least though
sage raptor
oh yea for sure
but yknow sometimes things dont go as plan and it drops :C
thats when you hit them with a hamstring
coral axle
So I got to like 1600 in RSS and have been hovering between that and 1400. For s...
Ur issue is probably ur rotation, you should figure out both ur pve rotation and the pvp burst rotation and memorize them
Then practice on a dummy/normal bgs until it's second nature
Also not keeping up hamstring and not using bolt before ur burst
topaz tulip
I'm using gse trying to make a macro for charge/intervene @ mouseover someone shared but it's not really functioning right. Either the icon gets stuck on hamstring so I see no cd, or it just doesn't ever shift to intervene. Idk if i'm inputting wrong or what
String:
#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@ mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
/cast Hamstring
oak heath
Ur issue is probably ur rotation, you should figure out both ur pve rotation and...
oh yeah I definitely need to spend more time on it before I take RSS seriously. I try to use bolt on the healer if they aren't CC'd if someone gets low. I've seen a lot of good warriors say use it on your KT, and a lot of them say save it for the healer if they have no trinket
But I guess for me its important to stun on my go so they cant wall it easily without blowing their trinket
coral axle
Yeah it depends if they have wall up or not, or have some kind of dodge effect, or some way to escape from you
If it's some lock with port and coil on CD they aren't going anywhere anyways
fast pecan
hello, how do I 3v3 without being bad?
steel trout
Play better
coral axle
Hit them harder
fast pecan
how do I make my shield slam reduce their healing?
oak heath
typically I'll try to piercing howl in my opener so I'm ahead on charge if I need to peel or chase, and then I try to get an unbuffed MS for mastery, then I ramp up with OP to try and set up a spear/warbreaker/sharpen combo
steel trout
Dont play prot
oak heath
but sometimes that feels like it's soo many CDs
some warriors jus stormbolt charge spear warbreaker avatar+blademaster and do crazy burst off the bat
coral axle
It's mostly the same damage, just an extra 50% on your first MS from the op stacks
Sometimes you got time to ramp it up and sometimes you just send it, I think in the opener it's better to ramp it up first since it's just a few globals
Make sure you use CS before you spear, especially if you are playing the extra spear damage talent
That thing can easily crit 100k+ with the initial damage, u really want it buffed as much as possible
If ur not sure who to bolt just bolt ur kt and don't worry about it, you will lose more by trying to make plays with a healer stun and then miss your spear because they dashed out, then when ur more comfortable or playing with another dps who's setting u up you can go back to bolting the healer
silver holly
can some1 tell me what is my win condition vs retri?
im 1600-1700 arms and struggling vs retri heavily unless they are braindead
flat dome
Disarm during wings. Storm bolt them as well during it
silver holly
usually when wings i die within 2 gcd so i kite mostly
muted surge
Spell reflect 
silver holly
what abilities do they use for burst buffs?
zenith marlin
BIG BURST
bruh just leap away when wings
and slap defnesive stance
and disarm
and fear
and stun
oak heath
what abilities do they use for burst buffs?
Build 5 combo points to get dawn buff, seraphim + wings, execution sentence if they run it, reckoning, 2-3 finishers and then a radiant to combo the execution sentence
zenith marlin
and intervane to ur healer
oak heath
it's a 14 GCD long combo that is highly telegraphed
I just fought a ret and when he'd wings I'd leap behind something and just run tbh LOL
zenith marlin
rets are so bad lmao
as in every expansion since inception just gotta kite their cds
oak heath
that burst is going away soon and then it will be the rise of arms
if you spell reflect sometime after they pop execution sentence, you'll probably catch their HoJ because a lot of them run justicar's vengeance for the extra damage on a stunned target
vestal quail
Does the TR buff and the 16 second slaughterhouse make fury viable again?
late nacelle
just dropped from 2330 to 2100 in 2 games AMA
oak heath
if you wombo their HoJ then you can beat on them
coral axle
just dropped from 2330 to 2100 in 2 games AMA
1-12?
late nacelle
1-11
coral axle
Nice
late nacelle
I died 0 times tho
coral axle
Nice perfect average winrate at pefcect average rating
late nacelle
but i didnt zugzug as hard as the other classes
late nacelle
arms feels so bad dmgwise, literally just fish for crits on CDs or we do nothing
random 100 to 0 someone if u crit 3 times in a row
do nothing if u dont
nice class
zenith marlin
warr gameplay is fkn trash lmao
coral axle
Just play the new and improved TRoar bleed build come Tuesday
bright quarry
the r in arms stands for rng, didn't you know?
zenith marlin
compared with warrs in every other gmae
coral axle
Be the new feral
zenith marlin
peak warrior gameplay is diablo barbarian
oak heath
you probably cant run crit spear
coral axle
U do have to drop spear
marsh wharf
absurd amount of honor to upgrade gear jebus
zenith marlin
what
late nacelle
fokken bleed build man
oak heath
absurd amount of honor to upgrade gear jebus
just dont
zenith marlin
its so ez to farm honor and the upgrade amounts are almost irrelevant lol
zenith marlin
MS?
oak heath
ya
oak heath
what the fuck
coral axle
I hit 300k on the dummy, still have that SS saved
oak heath
the pvp dummy has armor/vers right?
late nacelle
pb in arena is 165k for me
coral axle
No vers for sure
late nacelle
dummy is like 400k
quasi lotus
just dropped from 2330 to 2100 in 2 games AMA
late nacelle
cant wait for next reset
finally set pieces
so fkn jealous of the dudes rolling around with 4 set
coral axle
Bet that dude climbed before the nerfs and now is shocked at having to play the game
late nacelle
what a massive advantage
zenith marlin
coral axle
Yeah I got pvp 4 set from the vault alone on my dragon, fucking hilarious rng
quasi lotus
Bet that dude climbed before the nerfs and now is shocked at having to play the ...
I'm gonna say "Yes"
coral axle
1800 on dh with 800 games noooooooooo
solar hamlet
so fkn jealous of the dudes rolling around with 4 set
Since shadowlands tiers, I never got tier from the vault. Only thro catalyst, I feel your pain
oak heath
am I allowed to post a clip
copper hare
I do like the shuffle queue, you can clean your house, get groceries, watch two movies, prepare food, shower, come back and still have no pop
zenith marlin
ngl if it wasnt for catalyst i'd drop the game
its lame that only raid drones got all the sets for a decade
when both M+ and arenas are harder content
oak heath
I have 2 set on like 3 chars and never touched a raid
zenith marlin
we legit dont need healers in pvp
oak heath
it think vault is actually pretty generous with it
thoughts on removing slam from my bars and making hamstring my filler ability
solar hamlet
thoughts on removing slam from my bars and making hamstring my filler ability
I use Rend even on a spear crit build to fish out tacticians
oak heath
id rather rage cap than have a moment where I miss a kill because I spent it on slam 4 gcds ago for 6k
coral axle
Yeah better to add a few seconds to hamstring than hit somebody for 10k
silver holly
finally set pieces
i use 389 normal mode tier pants for +10% crit on mortals
feels bad man
zenith marlin
kekw i got 415 tier legs
I use double crit rings for pvp
got a 415 crit/vers ring xd
silver holly
I use double crit rings for pvp
what's your stats?
silver holly
i use low haste build
zenith marlin
32% vers
flat dome
and they wont allow 3 dps vs 3 dps
That would be terrible
silver holly
crit/mastery
oak heath
I use Rend even on a spear crit build to fish out tacticians
do you run blademasters?
zenith marlin
itd be amazing
solar hamlet
zenith marlin
imagine playing WARRIOR and not wanting the 3 dps vs 3 dps pitfight
whoever kills more wins
oak heath
I want like 9% more haste and I think the spec would feel great
zenith marlin
just throw us in there
solar hamlet
do you run blademasters?
Instead of slamming, just spam rend, it ends up around 9% of my damage
oak heath
so you bolt charge warbreaker spear avatar?
silver holly
imagine playing WARRIOR and not wanting the 3 dps vs 3 dps pitfight
imagine being 3 warriors vs 3 dh
solar hamlet
so you bolt charge warbreaker spear avatar?
If you can, don't charge, but if you get slowed do so
zenith marlin
they better start with darkness
high sparrow
imagine being 3 warriors vs 3 dh
the 3 warriors would kill 2 dhs during parry
then lose the 3v1 to the last dh
oak heath
stormbolt goes thru blur right?
zenith marlin
3 warrs could legit 1 GCD a DH
oak heath
because intim on hunter doesnt, even tho the tooltip says cant be block/dodged/parried
nimble jasper
intim goes through
solar hamlet
so you bolt charge warbreaker spear avatar?
but I do tend to spear before warbreaker just in case someone trinkets and uses a CD, I rather have colossus smash go than spear go without smash
nimble jasper
if your pet is behind
crude bane
i hope they nerf dh by 50 so all mongol 12yo player are remove from the game
oak heath
but I do tend to spear before warbreaker just in case someone trinkets and uses ...
really? it seems like the damage from crit spear off warbreaker would be nuts most of the time
nimble jasper
i hope they nerf dh by 50 so all mongol 12yo player are remove from the game
gonna have to add fury players to that list
solar hamlet
really? it seems like the damage from crit spear off warbreaker would be nuts mo...
Sure, but I've seen people flop even without that gain so I favour this way, might be more optimal in raw damage output
oak heath
fair
wheat crane
imagine playing WARRIOR and not wanting the 3 dps vs 3 dps pitfight
I dk about triple dps shuffle but im good with 2v2 double dps shuffle
And just rotate the way 3v3 shuffle does
nimble jasper
no
wheat crane
pov queue into double rogue
Yea but you rotate teammates same as 3v3
zenith marlin
if you loose to a WW as Arms
nimble jasper
double ww is you die opener
zenith marlin
u re trash
wheat crane
So 2 rogues warr n whatever all shuffle rounds
nimble jasper
instant half sweep the trinket
zenith marlin
u can legit stomp trough karma
nimble jasper
and kill through
wheat crane
Just kill the shitty player every round
nimble jasper
idk
good wws kill you in 2secs
of their serenity
theres alot of god awful ww players though
flat dome
What? Ww would stomp arms lmao
wheat crane
They flop too tho
nimble jasper
you say that but any good monk just ports your go
if he had a global to karma even
flat dome
They can also heal
zenith marlin
no good warr pops spear unless the monk ported bruh
oak heath
good wws that fully parry your burst tho and then bankai serenity and kick you in the chest while you're disarmed
zenith marlin
its same for warlocks
zenith marlin
thats why u use disarm offensively
nimble jasper
unless they fixed
wheat crane
I dk man its better then 45 min qs
wheat crane
If a healers in q you get 3v3
nimble jasper
i havent checked in df but im psure
zenith marlin
he couldnt figure out tf happened
wheat crane
No healer insta pop 2v2
zenith marlin
also double arms
can DC 1 monk with spears
if they position thme well enough
then rail him during relog
nimble jasper
you'd just get rung
quasi lotus
if you instant trigger the yank
can still do it with blink so probably
wheat crane
Real talk tho the best way to balance the game is turn healers and tanks into support dps
crude bane
just saw a rogue sap sap cheap shot again cheap shot then garrote meanwhile im looking at warrior kit 
he also shadow step kydney bomb shiv
silver holly
just saw a rogue sap sap cheap shot again cheap shot then garrote meanwhile im ...
charge > release spirit
crude bane
we need the 50 % charge MS crit form LK
solar hamlet
Yo Zeryl, I tested on a dummy about the spear to warbreaker few times and it seems to be around 5 to 7k-ish damage difference, I doubt it's worth it
crude bane
they also have to bring back the sound
next herald
Guys how do i apply pressure as Arms without beeing to cocky and getting killed ? Do i hide behind pillars when warbreaker isnt Up and loss enemies or do i keep hitting spells etc? Im lacking a General Playstyle/ gameplan
oak heath
Yo Zeryl, I tested on a dummy about the spear to warbreaker few times and it see...
Yeah probably not bc of the longer setup
bro I legit might just stop queueing until tuesday
ret/unholy every game
solar hamlet
Guys how do i apply pressure as Arms without beeing to cocky and getting killed ...
what classes / comps you have most trouble with? But yeah, pillar humping is a good strat for a warrior, but depends on a situation
wheat crane
Guys how do i apply pressure as Arms without beeing to cocky and getting killed ...
If youre in big trouble yea get into los with your healer behind a pillar
Otherwise counter their offense with cc and stay offensive
flat dome
Had another person just afk the rest of games cause feral is broken
No point in trying, apparently. "Blame blizzard"
next herald
what classes / comps you have most trouble with? But yeah, pillar humping is a g...
iTs more Like a General Question. Also in shuffle i find myself trying to pressure too much and doing Shit Trades without achieving anything
And i try to find a gameplan for me to get macro working
solar hamlet
iTs more Like a General Question. Also in shuffle i find myself trying to pressu...
do you track enemy cooldowns or use omnibar for tracking stuns for example? do you use trinket just to get to do damage? Basic questions I know, but I don't know your exp so I'm starting low
steel trout
Guys how do i apply pressure as Arms without beeing to cocky and getting killed ...
post vod or watch streamers
solar hamlet
yeah, if you have footage of your gameplay, it's easier to see whats happening
placid marlin
Any prio list on conquest gear? So far ive gone neck into weapon, what should i aim for next?
oak heath
i dont understand how laros has 9% more haste than I do :hmm:
steel trout
solo shuffle gaming 😎
oak heath
queue for 4 hours today. result: no rating change
placid marlin
queue for 3hours today. result: 5 games
oak heath
all of my matches today have had a healer who was new who didnt respond to pressure or had like weird positioning and just got trained by a ret pally
steel trout
went 4-2 and lost rating
ye happened to me too when i dropped 500 in 1 day
went 5-1 and got like +3 B)
just gotta get a 6-0 and ur back
late nacelle
i was just
fast pecan
is there a list of which pieces to upgrade first with conquest?
steel trout
is there a list of which pieces to upgrade first with conquest?
doesn't really matter that much
fast pecan
I'm thinking shield for the armor
hazy isle
down 400 rating
idk how u guys do it, i played for 1 weekend and stopped after getting the mog, 3s are more chill
solar hamlet
idk how u guys do it, i played for 1 weekend and stopped after getting the mog, ...
wise guy
steel trout
better than not queueing at all
hazy isle
like 2k mmr
late nacelle
feels like usually healers are the most clueless
i soloshuff
they get 1 CC on em
enemy dps pop every cd
healer doesnt trinket
and someone just dies
immunity classes have such an advantage
in solo shuff
its insane
steel trout
itll feel better once we get ignore pain
zenith marlin
immunity classes have an advantage at low cr I guess xd
hazy isle
most ss matches feel like weeding out the weak link and just killing them to get 4 wins
zenith marlin
retris are trash
mage immunity was always there
Hunter and Spriest immunity is abit cringe ngl
but without them they would be pure dogshit
steel trout
hunter prob worst soloshuffle class anyway
zenith marlin
DH immunity is also ultra cringe
late nacelle
"WHY ARE U DOING NO DMG??"
zenith marlin
perma dstance is amazing tho
late nacelle
IM KITING WHOLE GAME IN DSTANCE WTF DO U WANT ME TO DO
steel trout
i never go dstance
zenith marlin
idk wym
steel trout
i just blame healer
zenith marlin
WHAT
steel trout
💯
zenith marlin
ur team does 7.5% less dmg
the enemy team does 10% less dmg
if all dps have similiar dmg done
late nacelle
i am never even close
zenith marlin
mega win
late nacelle
to topping dmg
as arms
never
i just pop CDs
triple crit oneshot
or try again
late nacelle
tbh
zenith marlin
There is always that 1 idiot warlock who pops unending resolve just to burst without interrupt
I wait it out than pop tf odd
off*
hazy isle
ur gonna see a lot more arms/ex dh players next week, with an inevitable nerf soon
late nacelle
i wanna be immortal again
also
buff rend and deep wounds dmg with 100%
that shit tickles
zenith marlin
who tf uses rend
deepwounds is shit
we arent feral kitty kitty players
250k MS > blEedEdEDF
oak heath
I'm gonna cry bro
steel trout
i press it once every 5 games for AM 😎
oak heath
rating unchanged again
late nacelle
the giga slam
zenith marlin
legit ended games
oak heath
this rogue was an absolute monster off my team, but just died with cds up on my team
zenith marlin
btw gnome ur waay higher than me in SS lmao
zenith marlin
I quit pvp after 3rd week
late nacelle
in 5 hours
zenith marlin
I cant stand how warr plays
zenith marlin
xd
oak heath
i just dont like how most classes feel like dogshit outside of their burst macros tbh
zenith marlin
I sometimes log my classic war
Just to Mortal Strike some npcs around
the joy
of it act hitting
fair tide
steel trout
rng ?
zenith marlin
Obliterate spam
oak heath
instead 10k-250k rng
when you ms a totem and it doesnt die in one hit but then you slug some dude for 202k
zenith marlin
lol
roller coaster
rng cuz crit
and aligning the stars
tbf I think u almost get guarnateed crits with all cds
silver holly
when the starts align eveyrone dies in 2 gcd
steel trout
i hate relying on crits but it feels like a lot of classes are like that rn
games just so fast
stack modifiers > pray for crit
silver holly
tbf I think u almost get guarnateed crits with all cds
i played with recklessness on avatar and warbreaker, with 2p set and 25% crit its 55% crit on mortal, still getting 50k noncrits on burst was fucking dogshit
steel trout
my mortal strike average is 50k most games
silver holly
my mortal strike average is 50k most games
it does but in BS build you're getting much more freedom to play
zenith marlin
vs BS
wet vault
Frost DK feels so good btw ngl
What stat priority do you follow for Frost? Just Mast/Crit?
long ridge
bro i've nevwr lost a game to frost
coral axle
Bs feels like dogshit without unhinged, it used to be this crazy kill spell and now it's a glorified cc dodge
Still use it obviously but it's nowhere near what it used to be
oak heath
BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgWiERCRSalSSAAAAAJEJCkAERjSSSAaSESASSkAAAAAAAAQSKJhAANCA
how do you guys feel about this for ptr build
I feel like this would be a solid general build
oak heath
ya vs pet cleave
oak heath
what would you run in its place?
oak heath
isnt that nerfed in pvp significantly?
thick reef
lemma check
oak heath
on PTR?
late nacelle
y
oak heath
i wonder if fueled by violence would be higher value
oak heath
idk what else you would take
bloodborne to boost rend a bit while fishing for tactician
oak heath
actually wait, battlelord buffed dreadnaught now
late nacelle
im forced to take a bunch of useless crap
oak heath
so maybe thats actually viable
steel trout
it does right now too
oak heath
it does right now too
thats on ptr so i dont thing it does that now
unless u meant the war trees feeling like shit
steel trout
oh mb
i thought u meant op
i think jugg is kinda shit cuz ms hits same as exe
some r1 warrs dont even take improved exe
oak heath
yeah i'd drop jugg, no way you get value
thick reef
yea
steel trout
u can do both sks burst and same ms build as rn
oak heath
valor in victory for 1% vers and 30s on DBTS seems not worth since games are ending so fast
steel trout
nah 30 on dbts is big
vapid rover
take fueled by violence, espacialy if you play bleed build it have way more value
remove the talent that build rage on bleeding on the same line, the proc rate is low and you dont need many rage
vapid rover
still better than a useless talent
steel trout
fbv is useless talent
vapid rover
you play build so your deep wound hit harder and is longer so fueled by violence heal better,
on the time it healing is fine man espacialy if you play with ignore pain
vapid rover
ignore pain reduce dmg taken a lot, so you heal easly that low amount of dmg you take, reduce to pressure on your healer
steel trout
theorised 10.0.5 build
vapid rover
the 2nd point taken on improved bleed is a better argument than keeping fvb or take the one that generate rage
you right on that
oak heath
no thunderous for a bleed build? does DR have no interaction with skullsplitter?
vapid rover
the rage gen on bleed is just useless you have enough rage generated with a bleed build
steel trout
its same ms build
oak heath
if DR is buffing bleeds, wouldnt it buff the shit out of skullsplitter
oak heath
gotcha
oak heath
imo spear feels so bad to use
steel trout
feels worse the higher u go cuz more ppl know how to bug out of it
vapid rover
true x)
but with the tons of dwarf, its really good to go for bleed ?
espacialy the roar
oak heath
the sheer amount of DiD and other warriors running bitter immunity will make the bleed build super tough to use imo
late nacelle
they buff it again?
steel trout
bitter lowkey trash tho
oak heath
DiD Arms War
late nacelle
to remove bleed?
steel trout
to remove bleed?
no
late nacelle
other class: 2 min CD heal myself to full
warrior: 3 min CD maybe i can survive the disc priests penance
coral axle
feels worse the higher u go cuz more ppl know how to bug out of it <:keks:936231...
Do you know how some people just walk of it? I know how you can use a dash right at the edge of the tether range but I've had multiple people be hit, have the tether on them, and walk away
steel trout
idk how that bug works
late nacelle
nevermind the spear
steel trout
i just know that if u tp insta u get out
coral axle
Yeah idk why they haven't fixed warbringer yet, I'm pretty sure it used to work, it just rooted them while u were charging
oak heath
i like it when charge connected and they get rooted 10 ft away from me so when I get to them to string, they're already gone
maybe I'll drop warbringer and just go duel so I can duel a ret and then run away from him so he cant blow my team apart
vapid rover
i just know that if u tp insta u get out
maybe its like the grace timing ?
steel trout
no idea what causes it
been here since spear came out
pretty sure its just a feature at this point
coral axle
I love the idea of spear so I always play it but it's gotta be the most bugged skill in the game
vapid rover
i think the "grab" of the spear have a range, si if you tp out and the final destination of the tp is over the range of the grab, the spear just dont grab
oak heath
when you get speared, walk to the edge of the spear to the point where it pulls you back, and basically the frame that it pulls you, you dash, leap, step, port and it will break it
steel trout
i think the "grab" of the spear have a range, si if you tp out and the final des...
yea but thats not a bug
coral axle
when you get speared, walk to the edge of the spear to the point where it pulls ...
Yeah this is the reliable way I know about, but it doesn't explain people just walking away from it
vapid rover
sometimes you spear a lock, he tp behind a pillar and that grab him, and sometimes not, the 2 difference i see always it happens was the distance
oak heath
Yeah this is the reliable way I know about, but it doesn't explain people just w...
my guess would be latency. like it hits on your screen but on theirs it registers as having been slightly to the left for them or something
coral axle
Word, that's been my guess too, only thing I can think of
oak heath
i think dks can deaths advance out of it straight up
steel trout
yes
vapid rover
Yeah this is the reliable way I know about, but it doesn't explain people just w...
Maybe the grab of the spear happen every X/sec so if you get grab, then if you get out instantly when you get grab, the game just dont grab you again
Or maybe it cause the Grab DR, idk
coral axle
The two other classes I play (lock/evo) can just casually move out of it every time with deep breath/instant gate, it's super stupid
Move feels pointless sometimes
vapid rover
yeah that is normal, the lock gate make you unstoppable like the deep breath so you just get out the spear
they remove the capacity of the hunt to remove the spear debuff with the feint death ?
steel trout
its not in the game anymore
vapid rover
because that was pretty shit
woven pulsar
The two other classes I play (lock/evo) can just casually move out of it every t...
Save spear for soulburn port instead. Soulburn 6s cd.
woven pulsar
Assuming you are going to hard target something during a match, is fatality still not taken? (Just looking at builds in the pins. I know for swaps it's obviously not good).
copper hare
Assuming you are going to hard target something during a match, is fatality stil...
can be good in long 2s/3s games, but depends
next week we take it by default anyways
rather shit in shuffle
vapid rover
Assuming you are going to hard target something during a match, is fatality stil...
yeah on long match-up fatality in fine in 2s, sometimes you stack 15 fatality and you know if you pull your opponent to 35% hp its just a death touch
some game with my disc mate i just ask to help me to pull my target to 35% to instakill, that work well
but dont take it every match, sometimes its just useless, because vs low armor class you can easly come to exec timing and that just reset your fatality,
woven pulsar
Yeah, that's what I assumed, but wasn't sure if it was nerfed in pvp or something.
Thanks.
steel trout
it is
vapid rover
it is compared to PvE like 50% nerfed
in pve its like 30k per stack
you easly build 600k crit on rare elite x)
rancid granite
what the hell is pve
vapid rover
what the hell is pve
its when you try to dps a Rdrood under bear form KEKW
steel trout
rancid granite
woven pulsar
I wanted to play bleed build since I saw the talents pre-DF. Just hit a wall at like ~2250 in shuffle on my destruction lock so finally leveled my warrior alt.
rancid granite
idk how to talk in here without custom emojis
less buttons to win the better hopefully itll be viable still
vapid rover
personnaly i want to try this build
mild thunder
in pvp?
vapid rover
yeah
mild thunder
it'd be beyond horrible
vapid rover
just to see the value of the %strengh i can get
mild thunder
ToM and hurricane are both massively nerfed in pvp
vapid rover
yes
hurricane stack to 14% strength and if i did the combo of BS during the 5 last sec of CS i get 7% strengTh from ToM, so its 21% strengh bonus
with the 100% duration of CS maybe ToM can have viable value (maybe)
pure hornet
ToM and hurricane are both massively nerfed in pvp
Do you ep or allways unhinged?
mild thunder
21% str is still ~9% less damage than colsmash
mild thunder
Do you ep or allways unhinged?
i hate unhinged, so barely play it
vapid rover
yeah but its after a CS, so you get 13sec Cs + 6sec of 21% strength
mild thunder
but i'll pull it out into rogues or something that might cc me on burst
mild thunder
yeah but its after a CS, so you get 13sec Cs + 6sec of 21% strength
your cs will be 26 sec
vapid rover
yup
mild thunder
all pvp is is pet classes these days
thick reef
yea
mild thunder
demo? pet, uhdk? pet, ww? pet, sp? pet
vapid rover
so ToM gonna give you like 15% strength easy for 12sec
mild thunder
i mean, it might be fun to try out but its gonna be shit
mild thunder
the other problem with ToM is in order to stack it high enough to be good, you need to intentionally do subpar dps during colsmash
slamspam 
vapid rover
i think on big "PvE" phase i think you can have a big uptime of CS
better than anger management
woven pulsar
slamspam <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Crushing force/barbaric training inc
oak heath
man i really feel like I dont do any damage in some of these fights
like I have no agency at all
but then one round I just completely obliterate someone
vapid rover
the other problem with ToM is in order to stack it high enough to be good, you n...
yeah that's the point, but we have huge MS reset so, let's see
mild thunder
i think on big "PvE" phase i think you can have a big uptime of CS
you have higher uptime, sure, but its less effective
you're better off doing a lot of damage in that 13s window than mid damage for 30s
vapid rover
yeah maybe, highly depend on match-up sometimes you need just constant pressure
i think too its shit, but that give me some alternative build to try, so im hype as fk x)
late nacelle
just played a game
where I killed a guy
then 2 seconds later
I died
and it was counted as a tie
AMA
coral axle
How does it feel to lose rating for a win?
coral axle
oak heath
i love it
I am permanently stuck between 1400 and 1600 because I keep going 3-3 and I almost never die but someone will just get globaled
I really hope war feels good next patch bc this is kinda disheartening
late nacelle
i think my favourite
is when u get into a game
and there's no healers
2 tanks instead
steel trout
I am permanently stuck between 1400 and 1600 because I keep going 3-3 and I almo...
its good u grind and learn now so when the buffs hit itll feel like the training wheels come off
oak heath
dude I was on my survival and that happened. two prot pallies, no healing and obviously hunters without a healer are going to melt. I went 2-4 and had both prots messaging me telling me to kill myself
I just logged off bro I was so done
twilight zone shit
oak heath
its good u grind and learn now so when the buffs hit itll feel like the training...
u right
is everyone running blademasters right now or something
steel trout
vs non pet classes yh
its just nice to have a window with all possible modifiers where u cant get peeled
late nacelle
tbh
steel trout
cuz stopping warr dmg is a joke
late nacelle
just dont play unhinged
steel trout
its so easy
late nacelle
consistency
random zugzug into some classes
source: i dropped 450 rating trust me bro
late nacelle
monks
steel trout
nah i use it vs monks
oak heath
its just weird bc the top 3 SS arms are running unhinged/battlelord default
obviously people swap stuff around but
steel trout
i mean why would u ever drop battlelord
oak heath
i meant blademasters mb
oak heath
idk why I remembered this
but
on my survival, I picked scare beast and feared this WW's xuen and he immediately left the game
hardest match
mild thunder
sanest ww main
fluid thorn
That's the SS life. Why isn't this a meme already?
torpid roost
implying SS isn't already a meme
oak heath
also I think one of the issues with spear that I've noticed is that it takes a second to start the circle sometimes? Sometimes its instant
oak heath
also do you guys use MS on CD regardless of OP stacks?
long ridge
yes bro
oak heath
Sometimes I feel like I hold my MS for 2 if I think a setup is coming but
long ridge
hamstring>ms debuff>execute>ms>op>rend
nah use ms instantly
unless u got debuff on already and u have an execute
OR if target is running and u dont have hamstring
long ridge
that's my opinion though maybe someone else has ideas
oak heath
i like being able to line it up but
long ridge
i tried it and i dont like it personally
i see a lot of people use the circle at high level and i like it better because like you said you can line it up
u can get 2 people, 3 people in it sometimes if you're lucky
or sometimes like you said it pops out like a .00002 second too late and they are fucking gone already
mild thunder
hamstring>ms debuff>execute>ms>op>rend
kinda, but you shouldnt just waste a SD proc as soon as you get it
better off holding it for CS if its coming off CD
oak heath
ya thats definitely situational, sometimes I overwrite procs
mild thunder
or if you're playing EP and get a SD proc, you can use it and then sit on the EP stack until you have CS
and then build up a big ms
copper hare
I wonder if I should make a cast at mouse macro from spear
that's personal preference. I do use @blazing oasissor but there are for sure moments where I like normal spear more, specially when you try to use it on people with movement speed
and since spear has a small delay @blazing oasissor can bite you if you're too hasty
mild thunder
it lasts like 10 or 11 seconds
long ridge
oh
mild thunder
just check how long you have and when CS is coming off and decide if you're gonna save it
long ridge
I seee
mild thunder
your chance of overlapping procs isnt particularly high
long ridge
goodluck broooooooo
late nacelle
Battlestance 100% crit
Mby warrior is not giga spec
Cos we worse at lobbying the devs
smoky anchor
we can have SPEAR and ROAR at the same time is it WORTH IT?
really? that would be insane
late nacelle
Than those sneaky other classes
long ridge
copper hare
we can have SPEAR and ROAR at the same time is it WORTH IT?
spear is useless without elysian might
smoky anchor
i think you need that bottom right talent