pvp

[mild thunder]

that is the weirdest way of looking at it ive ever seen, but yea its irrelevant imo... will turn out as a roughly 8% dps buff overall

still squishy, slaughterhouse still shit

[red ether]

Fury is most definitely not squishy

[hardy wave]

Does Devstation kinda fucking pump?

[red ether]

Don't know what spec you're playing

[smoky anchor]

??? avatar gives a 20% damage buff, these buffs are 10-15% boosts in damage

i guess not to spear or thunderous roar but still

[red ether]

Fury has one of the lowest first blood rates

[mild thunder]

compared to how durable arms will be, dk will be into melee, ret is going to be, feral is etc.. fury will not stand up

[mild thunder]

10% ramp buff, 10% bt buff, 5% bloodbath buff

[long ridge]

yeah fury doesn't die, but they also did noodle dmg

i am curious to see what the buffs bring tho we shall see

[mild thunder]

no aa buff, which makes up a large part of anni fury damage

no OF buff

fury will remain a poor man's dh

[red ether]

Fury will be just as durable as arms

[smoky anchor]

hmm

[red ether]

If not more

[smoky anchor]

i think fury crushes dh after these buffs

[mild thunder]

no

[smoky anchor]

and also after their nerfs

but arms will be way better still

[mild thunder]

IP is a huge addition lol

[smoky anchor]

due to ip and the talent point changes

[lethal rivet]

Is human good for pvp like dont trinket and every man for himself share a cd?

[mild thunder]

arms is lined up as a borderline SS tier spec, fury will be lucky to crawl into B tier

[red ether]

Arms will be broken, yes.

But fury is definitely playable

And these buffs are excellent

[mild thunder]

anything is "playable"

[long ridge]

yeah human is pretty good both dwarfs r better

[mild thunder]

but fury's niche is "im kinda hard to kill, but also dont kill anyone lol"

and other specs are vastly better

[red ether]

Considering I'm 2400 on Fury without these buffs, definitely a step in the right direction

[mild thunder]

arms will maintain significantly better sustained damage and even better burst

[long ridge]

u got 2400 early when fury wasn't nerfed?

[red ether]

Fury was nerfed before the arena season started

[long ridge]

did u get 2400 in fury like first 1-3 weeks

or u pushed from 2k to 2.4k like this week?

[red ether]

I got it early szn dropped to 2300 then I'm back to 2400

Got 2400 last week

Before reset

[long ridge]

oh

[red ether]

So I've maintained it throughout the szn

[long ridge]

fury was very strong early season

[red ether]

Ig

[long ridge]

imo it sucks now so if ugot to 2400 this week that's pretty impressive

[red ether]

This iteration of fury is the same one at the beginning of the season

[mild thunder]

thats not true

[red ether]

Yes it is

Why are you making things up

[stiff nexus]

Didn’t they take a healing nerf?

[long ridge]

they got like several nerfs

lol

[red ether]

They lowered the healing on bloodthirst from 3 to 2

And lowered the enrage wall from 10 to 5

[mild thunder]

the warpaint nerf was only a few weeks ago lol

"same iteration of fury"

[red ether]

If you think that nerf made the spec bad, you're silly

[mild thunder]

i dont think that nerf made the spec bad, i think the cumulative nerfs to the spec made it bad

[red ether]

The nerfs to it's survivability

[mild thunder]

the slaughterhouse nerf and the warpaint nerfs were both massive tho

[red ether]

And it still doesn't die

[mild thunder]

it definitely dies but ok

[red ether]

Slaughterhouse was before the season

The real nerfs happened before the season

Only changes from the beginning to now was bloodthirst healing and warpaint dmg reduc

[long ridge]

[With weekly restarts] Warpaint now reduces damage taken by 5% (was 10%) while enraged in PvP combat. - this was on the 20th

[mild thunder]

i dont think thats true

[red ether]

And the spec still has one of the lowest kill rates

Please go look

[mild thunder]

slaughterhouse was a week 2 nerf from memory

[long ridge]

slaughterhouse was nerfed in the season

[stiff nexus]

Pretty sure slaughterhouse was in season.

[long ridge]

[With weekly restarts] Slaughterhouse now decreases healing taken by 3% per stack (was 5% per stack). - this is posted dec 12th

pvp season started the 13th it says

O_o

[mild thunder]

i only care about the slaughterhouse rework

[long ridge]

This was also on 12th apparently - Gushing Wound damage and healing reduced by 10%.

Bloodthirst now restores 2% of your health in PvP combat (was 3%).

Onslaught's Rage generation reduced to 25 (was 30)

so they got several nerfs but apparently most of them were when season started

my memory was slaughterhouse got nerfed after i was playing fury in arena though so.. weird..

[red ether]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-on-weekly-reset-global-tank-nerfs-330421 if you look, slaughterhouse nerfs were on the 13th, same day as season 1 release

[mild thunder]

either way, point remains - fury is shit, fury will remain shit

[red ether]

please know what you're talking about before you speak

[long ridge]

it's funny that we all had the same memory

lol

[stiff nexus]

Lul

[mild thunder]

dude you were literally wrong

dont be some upstart little bitch

[stiff nexus]

Multiple times he was wrong. Clown.

[high sparrow]

this

[red ether]

me?

how was i wrong lol

[mild thunder]

^^^^^^^^^

[red ether]

fury currently is the same exact thing

aside from literally

[mild thunder]

no... its not

[red ether]

1% healing

and 5% dmg reduc

[mild thunder]

so its not the same thing?

[red ether]

and the class still does not die

[mild thunder]

the spec definitely dies

[red ether]

?

[stiff nexus]

Like I said. Clown. Read that shit lol

[red ether]

you were both wrong

[long ridge]

i agree it doesn't die but imo it doesn't do any dmg besides the small burst window

[mild thunder]

yea, i was wrong too

[long ridge]

other classes do way more burst anyway

[mild thunder]

but im not the one saying "please know what you're talking about before you speak"

[stiff nexus]

Exactly

[red ether]

you sit here and complain in the chat and you're legitimately spewing wrong information

[long ridge]

he's not wrong though when he says fury<arms

[red ether]

never said fury was better than arms

[long ridge]

if you look at all of the representation at high lvl fury is very underwhelming

i don't even know if there is any worse melee than fury

besides maybe like ench

[stiff nexus]

Dudes just gonna move the goal post to anything you guys say.

[red ether]

enhancement is def worse

[mild thunder]

if you think an ~8% sustained damage buff will make fury an upper mid spec, thats fine

you're wrong, but its fine

[red ether]

never said that either

[smoky anchor]

i mean this all stemmed from the statement that the fury buffs are "literally irrelevant," which is factually untrue, so there's that

[red ether]

this

[mild thunder]

so what do you think fury will be then?

[smoky anchor]

probably in a much better state than now, which is great

[red ether]

this

[mild thunder]

wasnt asking you

[red ether]

fury literally just needs more damage

[smoky anchor]

the knock was always damage and they got some pretty substantial buffs to that...

[red ether]

that's what theyre giving us

[mild thunder]

so an ~8% sustained damage buff will put it in a "much better state"? okay

[red ether]

and slaughterhouse buffs

12s to 16s

pretty big

it allows you to maintain a 36% ms for a good bit longer

[mild thunder]

4 extra seconds on slaughterhouse, when good healers play around it anyway or it can be super easily kited

ok

[smoky anchor]

the bigger thing is that it's 4s of the full buff, which is a good thing

[red ether]

as someone who actually plays and follows the spec, i think it's a pretty big change

you can sit and keep complaining

just stick to arms lol

[mild thunder]

because on top of all this is other specs (arms, ret, uhdk, feral...) are all getting significantly stronger into melee

[smoky anchor]

true

but fury buffs are not irrelevant

[mild thunder]

so a little 10% rampage damage is not overly relevant

[red ether]

10% is not little

[mild thunder]

its definitely not excellent lol

[red ether]

what do you want a 30% buff or something?

[mild thunder]

nope, i dont want fury to be buffed in pvp at all

[red ether]

that's how we got into this mess with ret paladin

[red ether]

then why are you even talking about fury changes LOL

[mild thunder]

because its a change that was made in the game i play?

im also not the one that brought it up lmao

[red ether]

you're literally a troll

[stiff nexus]

Fucking solid point. Holy hell.

[smoky anchor]

i mean if fury buffs are irrelevant then so are ret buffs lol

[mild thunder]

man if they buffed demo tyrant by 1000% i just wouldnt talk about it because i dont play it huh

[smoky anchor]

i get it, you're trying to ackshueally everyone again, but the routine is tiresome. i much prefer your gameplay tips than the ackshually shtick

[red ether]

this

[mild thunder]

someone brought up a point, i added onto it. not my fault you're trying to fury cope

[red ether]

im not coping anything

[mild thunder]

@lucid walrus lend me your chromosomes, brother

[smoky anchor]

lol nobody's coping. we're just saying the buffs aren't irrelevant

that's it

lol

[red ether]

im excited my spec is getting buffed actually

i like arms and fury

both are enjoyable

[mild thunder]

spamming bt is very enjoyable

[red ether]

what's not fun about wielding two big ass axes and smashing dudes?

[smoky anchor]

as opposed to.... spamming ms with overpowers in between

[long ridge]

i love to smash dudes

grindr all day

[red ether]

right on

[high sparrow]

while i personally am glad furys getting buffed, i think what the other guy meant is that fury getting a little bit better but other classes getting a lot better means fury is still gonna be doodoo water

[mild thunder]

woah? oh my god

is that

someone with a brain?

[high sparrow]

also this argument makes no sense

people need to stop pretending arms is some 200 iq giga brain spec

[mild thunder]

its not, and ive said pretty often in here that arms rotation is pretty dull

[high sparrow]

theyre both 2 button specs

[smoky anchor]

but that's the thing other classes aren't getting "a lot better" compared to those fury buffs. if anything they are comparable to the fury buffs, but not "a lot vs a little"

[mild thunder]

but its lightyears ahead of fury

[red ether]

also, can someone point me to where other melee specs are getting a lot better

[tribal nimbus]

Any tips against feral in 2s? My primary partner is an hpal

I typed this earlier and no one responded lmao

[red ether]

aside from arms

arms is obviously getting much better

[mild thunder]

druid tree getting reworked so they access more utility and defensives, dk getting death strike buffs, ret getting healing and defensive buffs, arms getting IP, assa getting sharpen...

[red ether]

don't stack on your healer

[mild thunder]

please know what you're talking about before you speak

[red ether]

im legimately asking

im not making any claims

i dont read patch notes every day

just the ones that popped up today

and i saw nothing saying anyone is really getting buffed

[mild thunder]

sounds like you should

please know what you're talking about before you speak

[smoky anchor]

dk getting death strike buffs are literally irrelevant

[red ether]

the difference is you made claims

that were litereally false

i never did

[mild thunder]

as did you

[red ether]

where?

[mild thunder]

here

[red ether]

does this guy troll in this chat every day

[mild thunder]

nope, only when fury mains come out

[red ether]

i literally have more games as an arms warrior

make it make sense 😦

[smoky anchor]

dks getting a small death strike buff but getting the rest of their defense shredded is kinda meh

[red ether]

are DKs legitimately getting buffed

[smoky anchor]

besides if they are death striking you they aren't kiting

[mild thunder]

their other defensive nerfs dont matter when they're versing us

are you doing magic damage? no

but they are death striking into you

[smoky anchor]

huh?

the only reason anyone ever dies as dk vs war is if they don't kite

death strike getting buffed by 30% not gonna help with surviving against a war

[tribal nimbus]

What should my pvp talents be against a feral? As arms

[red ether]

isnt this rather big too

[mild thunder]

i mean, that's a pretty substantative buff for death strike but ok lmao

[red ether]

that feels like a rather large nerf to feral

[mild thunder]

kinda, but feral is also getting other damage buffs in their tree

[red ether]

aren't they basically get cyclone for free now

[mild thunder]

not for free, but far more accessible

[red ether]

if so, fuck

[red ether]

this what i meant

[mild thunder]

its 1 less wasted point

[smoky anchor]

5% damage buff against dk too

[tribal nimbus]

What should my pvp talents be against a feral? As arms

[smoky anchor]

id probably do duel and warbringer or some shit. maybe duel and storm of destruction.

feels like their cleave is insane

[red ether]

i like banner

[smoky anchor]

but not sure if it's cleave or just straight damage

[red ether]

banner sharpen and warbringer

is what i run

SoD is nice too if youre getting rooted a ton

[tribal nimbus]

Kk ty

[red ether]

gl gamer

fury execute dmg buff is nice too because of set bonus

just noticed that buff

[mild thunder]

ok now you're trolling

[red ether]

i dont even have 2 piece for my warrior

not troll, just fish brain

[mild thunder]

before the exe buff the fury tier set is like a 3% dps increase

[red ether]

its pretty dog shit

[mild thunder]

i dont even think most fury warriors are using it in pvp

[red ether]

ik im not

idk the proc rate of the 4 piece

or how much it ups the proc rate

sudden death feels like it never goes off

[high sparrow]

i could be wrong, but i remember reading it made the proc rate go from 1.3 ppm to like 3. something

[red ether]

hm interesting

they could always up that

[smoky anchor]

thunderroad bleed buff game changer for bleed build

[red ether]

did not like bleed build

spear feels way better

to me

[mild thunder]

supposed to proc roughly every 14s or something

to maintain AJ

but fury execute isnt super high prio, especially since you typically play the anni build for sustain, not damage

[red ether]

yeah fury executes are baby

my BTs hit harder i stg

[high sparrow]

are u counting the offhand hit?

id have to go check but im sure execute hits a fair amount harder

[red ether]

i was just trollin lol

[high sparrow]

maybe not compared to <35% hp bloodbath idk

[red ether]

execute is just baby on fury compared to arms

[smoky anchor]

nah bloodbath iirc seems to be as comparable even with the two hits from exe

[red ether]

its far closer than it should be

i think thats fair to say

[smoky anchor]

ya plus 3% heals

[mild thunder]

it's called ✨ poor class design ✨

[red ether]

i wish onslaught was viable

just a big, meaty button for fury

[mild thunder]

nothing that regularly disrupts the bt spam can be viable for anni fury

[red ether]

im cool with raging blow coming back tbh

[smoky anchor]

idk what was the best iteration of fury

i only started playing warrior like 2 months ago

[mild thunder]

the best iteration of fury was pre rampage

[red ether]

pre legion

def

[mild thunder]

ruined the spec

[red ether]

this

legion is when we got rampage i think

WoD was cool

[smoky anchor]

do you kill balance or ignore them

in ret/balanace

[high sparrow]

ive played warrior since wotlk and only gave fury a try in bfa 💀

[mild thunder]

rampage just incentivises other poor design choices because the spec only exists to spam something that allows you to rampage

[high sparrow]

was literally die hard arms

[red ether]

fury was cool at the beginning of BFA i think

[mild thunder]

wod fury dps rotation was pretty fun

[red ether]

depends on your teammates i think

[torpid roost]

Rampage needs a reword or just to be trashcanned

rework*

[mild thunder]

remember guys, when you actually used raging blow AND bloodthirst?

[high sparrow]

bfa fury was fun just because u had perma freedom and mini sprint every BT

[mild thunder]

not just chose which one to spam

[red ether]

yes, that freedom pvp talent was so fucking op LOL

[high sparrow]

honestly felt so good tho

q into a mage as arms

[red ether]

yeah idk how rampage is still in the game

[high sparrow]

get dumpstered

q into a mage as fury

freelo

[red ether]

fury was a 1v1 menace

i remember that shit

[mild thunder]

the absolute death of fury was the s3 tier set in SL

[smoky anchor]

wow

ele sham and spear unhinged arms

fucking slams

[mild thunder]

because it told blizzard that the best way to fix downtime in the spec is to make one button spammable

[red ether]

it's murder

tbf, if you werent hitting rampage, the spec wasnt that fun lol

whirlwind as filler in fury still makes me cringe

no bt -> no raging blow -> press WW

so gross

[high sparrow]

whirlwind as filler in anything

the reason i finally moved away from arms especially in pve

[red ether]

press whirlwind when youre like 50 rage and no more enrage

[high sparrow]

was having ot whirlwind in ST as arms

[red ether]

so gross

[red ether]

this is also gross

[torpid roost]

WOTLK whirlwind was hot

[red ether]

i never, ever want to press WW

[torpid roost]

was our #1 singletarget ability

nevermind cleave

[high sparrow]

WW as fury is fun to press in aoe for meat cleaver stacks

but as arms yeah, i legit never want to WW

ever

[mild thunder]

the solution was onslaught

[torpid roost]

why are you hitting WW as arms

[red ether]

make onslaught viable

[high sparrow]

button feels fucking AWFUL to press since they made it do negative damgur and changed the animation / sound effect

[high sparrow]

id r8 this yeah

[mild thunder]

onslaught is viable as an RB build

[high sparrow]

when DF trees got released i was very hyped for onslaught as a filler

[mild thunder]

but like i said, as anni onslaught will never be viable unless it does stupid damage

[red ether]

make it do stupid damage

fuck it

[mild thunder]

early DF fury was gonna be super cool ngl

[torpid roost]

I mean, I could make it viable

without stupid damage

[mild thunder]

rend, onslaught and siegebreaker

so cool

[high sparrow]

fuck siegebreaker

[mild thunder]

but they lost rend and siegebreaker

[torpid roost]

oh my god we had siegebreaker back?

[red ether]

not a big siegebreaker guy

[high sparrow]

but yea unpopular opinion but i wanted rend fury to be a thing

[red ether]

rend fury sounds kinda lit ngl

[torpid roost]

you don't like knocking people into the fucking sky?

[red ether]

gushing wound with rend and T roar bleed dot

[mild thunder]

fury needs something else to press other than rampage... you cant have build and spend specs like that with only one button to spend on

[red ether]

we feral now

[mild thunder]

realistically, fury plays like a combo point spec

[red ether]

it kinda does

[mild thunder]

but instead of having to make a decision about what to spend their combo points on, its always rampage

[torpid roost]

give me scripting level access I'll make fury slightly OP but WAY the fuck more fun

[red ether]

i still think fury is pretty fun

playing the same iteration since legion is kinda whack tho

rampage should probably be gone

or at least do something different

[torpid roost]

make enrage more plentiful and give us something else to spend enrage on, leave rampage as an option

[mild thunder]

make bt the main generator, bring back wild strike and raging blow as the spenders

and fuck rampage off

[torpid roost]

WS stacks haste, rampage cashes it in for a mini-lust

little burst windows

[red ether]

we making WS be an MS still

[torpid roost]

naaaah, fury needs a better gimmick

[mild thunder]

fury should probably have a 25% ms, but never anything stronger

[torpid roost]

necrotic on Execute

[red ether]

didnt wild strike turn into furious slash

[torpid roost]

or, bring back Unrelenting Assault circa Cata

[red ether]

furious slash fuckin sucked

[torpid roost]

cuts spellpower on the target

if cast while opponent is casting

combo that out with a MS effect, lots of target switching and neat shit

there's counterplay, it's hard but not haaaard

[mild thunder]

my ideal world is bt as the main generator for fury
onslaught on a 30s CD as a big generator that always procs enrage
rb as a spender only useable while enraged
wild strike as a weaker spender that applies an ms
exe as your biggest spender

odyns fury as some smackable burst

use old bloodbath to replace reck

[torpid roost]

could work on that archetype

[mild thunder]

and enrage as a crit mechanic again

so fury has secondary stat incentivisers

[torpid roost]

we absolutely have to have a reason for crit to matter again

that's fucking dumb that it doesn't

bUt iT ScALeS oUt Of CoNtRoL

fuck off it's supposed to

[mild thunder]

really hoping that 11.0 brings dps reworks to both fury and arms

make deep wounds a bleed-on-crit effect like it was in vanilla
remove all the ms reset mechanics so proper CD management is important
bring back old dragons roar
rename slam heroic strike for fun and make it not useless
limit OP to one charge

give arms a more engaging filler

[high sparrow]

i'd also love it if they removed all these idiotic modifiers that they keep adding to arms

i legit called it like 3 months before df even released

[smoky anchor]

having a full rage bar used to be meaningful lmao

now it's just like, ok

[high sparrow]

that arms was either gonna do no damage, or one shot with a modifier stacked MS

[mild thunder]

and yea destroy arms rage gen because its ridiculous

if fury is a combo point spec, arms should play more like a CD rotation spec like enh

but when there's all these insane ms reset mechanics, the actual gameplay of managing CDs disappears

also arms bleeds can be super fun when they're burst bleeds that you can see chunk

instead of boring, passive deep wounds

[smoky anchor]

i been sleepin' on training healers in solo shuffle too long

been winning a lot of matches just cheesing holy paladins. not even running shatter.

[oak heath]

Is it possible to macro like Arena 1, 2, and 3 into modifiers in a single macro for shift, ctrl and alt?

[red ether]

Rly good into enemy zug zug

Running into a no trinket disc priest or resto shaman is legit

[coral axle]

always need to at least test both healers in ur games, a lot of healers coast by not knowing how to get trained

[red ether]

^

Some healers just fall over

[coral axle]

even pres dies if you catch them in a stun with wall down and have fear ready for EC

[smoky anchor]

sorry use the modifiers and yeah you can target in a single macro

ec?

[coral axle]

emerald communion

[smoky anchor]

is that the wannabe tranq

[coral axle]

yeah kinda better than tranq tho lol

[red ether]

Crazy how at like 2200 rating hpal just explpdes but at like 2400+ they're immortal

[smoky anchor]

wait it says that it's castable while stunned feared or silenced

so you stun they cast then fear to interrupt

?_? is that how it's done

[coral axle]

yes until tuesday

its interrupted by fears and disorients

for some reason they are removing that in 10.0.5

[red ether]

Strange

[smoky anchor]

ah

yeah i just presume them to be unkillable menaces that burst heal their teammates to full constantly

[surreal compass]

there a list of bis enchants ?

[lucid walrus]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/3v3

[surreal compass]

bless

[lucid walrus]

this site has everything

[surreal compass]

thank you never seen it

will have a explore day through it, ❤️

[oak heath]

Yeah like Shift + R Targets Arena 1, Ctrl + R Targets arena 2, Alt + R Targets arena 3

I cant find any info on if an all in one macro would work

[mild thunder]

@lucid walrus what do you want for 11.0 arms, if they were gonna redesign the dps rotation?

[lucid walrus]

throwdown and cata-era heroic leap where it did damage

gonna LARP as a smash character

[mild thunder]

heroic leap snipes

[lucid walrus]

unironically though, uhh

[smoky anchor]

old avatar back

[oak heath]

I think heroic leap should knock ppl up into the air like dispelling flame shock

[lucid walrus]

mortal combo at reduced effectiveness if we’re ever gonna see something like exhilarating blows again, opportunity strikes and taste for blood. i’m aware these are just tweaks to the damage profile but we’ve seen basically the same set of abilities pruned and unpruned forever

[mild thunder]

mortal combo was so audibly satisfying

[smoky anchor]

warrior should get a little pet

just like every other class

like a slave or something

[mild thunder]

"fury bitch" the pet

[smoky anchor]

i played a match against spriest, unholy dk, and resto sham

i could not click on the totems and psyfiend i wanted to kill

couldn't even find it

became a speed reading competition

[mild thunder]

opportunity strikes would be really good

imo they need to remove all the ms reset effects

[lucid walrus]

wracking my brain to try and recall if there was anything cool they did with execute over its history

[smoky anchor]

vanilla and bc version was the best

use all rage

[lucid walrus]

then again this game is almost as old as i am and i cannot be fucked to look through spell archives

[smoky anchor]

BIG DMG

[mild thunder]

fatality, exploiter and condemn are like the only three super special things exe has ever gotten, and i dont really like any of them

i dont hate exploiter because i think pure exe spam in raid is kinda dull

[lucid walrus]

it’d be interesting if there was something that genuinely made bleeds a net benefit to maintain in execute

i don’t raid but from what i remember it basically didn’t matter whether you refreshed rend during exe phase in SL

[mild thunder]

yea im pretty sure its mostly the same now

[lucid walrus]

it’s also really hard to answer this question bc warrior abilities are somehow both generic and ambiguous

bolt and avatar are ripped straight from mountain kings for instance

[smoky anchor]

they just need to remove bladestorm, spinning around like a fucking top is so cringe

[mild thunder]

fuck no

they need to make bladestorm crunch again

[smoky anchor]

just give us a root break

and more dmg on other stuff

[lucid walrus]

worst take i’ve had to read all day and there were fury apologists in here earlier

[smoky anchor]

make avatar like the original one and get rid of cringe bladestorm

[mild thunder]

i would gladly swap our crit modifiers now for old deep wounds bleed on crit

[high sparrow]

nah bruh bladestorms staying

[mild thunder]

60% of the initial hit as a bleed

[smoky anchor]

old deep wounds was kino

it actually did so much damage

kinda weird how it's a second thought right now

[lucid walrus]

that’d be killer

[smoky anchor]

maybe not even a thought at all

pve andies ruined it

[lucid walrus]

it was both weird and really cool having enrage as arms when i played classic for like a month

[mild thunder]

i would love enrage as arms but idk what the best way to implement it would be

most obvious is to proc on aa crits, but i dont like that sorta rng

[lucid walrus]

yeah i’m not too sure on how to go about it

[smoky anchor]

i don't think people crit as much back then

[mild thunder]

maybe something like onslaught for arms... big spender on a ~14sec CD that procs a short enrage

[smoky anchor]

there would be like 100% uptime now

[lucid walrus]

i do kinda enjoy having a mini-cd to press

e.g. what old/storm of swords whirlwind was

[mild thunder]

and arms needs something to disrupt op/ms other than slam

[smoky anchor]

nah just make slam actually hit harder than op

[lucid walrus]

sunder

[mild thunder]

or replace current slam with heroic strike, and turn slam into our onslaught

so that it actually... slams

[smoky anchor]

i don't actually ever even think about rage whatsoever

that might change with ip

but if slam actually did dmg that would be nice

[mild thunder]

arms has way, way too much rage

[lucid walrus]

you probably still won’t need to

rage in and rage out. the more you spend, the sooner you inevitably overcap bc of reck proc on CS

[mild thunder]

we shouldnt be rage starved, but we should have to think and pool a bit to be able to ms off CD

[smoky anchor]

actually now that i think about it

[mild thunder]

the general rule in SL (at least for raid) was to never intentionally go below 30-40 rage

[oak heath]

I would actually love it if all dps specs across the board had their burst phases completely gutted, and all of their sustained damage was higher. it's not fun to feel weak outside of big CDs imo. Everyone should feel like they're doing something all of the time

[smoky anchor]

nah i hate slog fests. that's how cata pvp was. so boring

[lucid walrus]

that’s basically what wrath was right

[mild thunder]

sustained dam should be higher, i agree

[lucid walrus]

archaically long cds and solid sustain

[oak heath]

not GUTTED but like

[mild thunder]

you should feel dangerous outside of CDs

[smoky anchor]

wrath ppl had so much resilience though

and there was no dampening

it was really boring

[lucid walrus]

fair point

[smoky anchor]

basically every match was like a healer struggle to see who would run out of mana first

which is why disc priests got mana burn gutted iirc

[mild thunder]

in a perfect world, you should be able to capitalise on enemy mistakes outside of CDs, and you shouldnt be getting oneshot in a 4sec stun during Cds

[oak heath]

one of the reasons overwatch is boring to watch is because it's a CD fight all of the time. WoW pvp feels similar now. It's just pop your swifty macro and kill someone while your healer eats the longest cc chain known to mankind

[smoky anchor]

idk the alternative is way more boring. still long cc chains, except now nobody dies, and you just wait till healer runs out of mana

[mild thunder]

there is a very achievable middleground

[lucid walrus]

i really don’t envy the guys in charge of tuning

[smoky anchor]

didn't some wow world arena championship go into like 95% dampening lmao

[oblique grove]

is disarm worth using on monks?

[lucid walrus]

hitting that goldilocks zone with TTK sounds rough

[lucid walrus]

not really

[mild thunder]

self-healing across all non-hybrid dps specs needs to be completely gutted and/or removed

so that people are way more healier reliant

[lucid walrus]

only thing it stops is fists and even then you have to do that preemptively or they’ll parry it mid-channel

[smoky anchor]

ya

also less mortal strikes everywhere

[oak heath]

I think, micro CC needs to go, classes shouldn't have access to so many different DR schools, sustain damage should be buffed so that people could possibly die from sustained pressure, and burst to be relegated to like 1 or 2 abilities that modifying your damage, vs outright buffing it. Like basically make Wings do 20% increases haste/crit or w/e, remove it doing raw 20% extra damage

I just think stuff like old deathwish was cool

[mild thunder]

only mortal strike classes should be arms, ww, maybe dh and maybe fury

[smoky anchor]

in that world multidotters would rule supreme

[lucid walrus]

death wish and old stance design was really interesting

constant tradeoffs

[oak heath]

feral, demo and UH is currently doing that right now LOL

[smoky anchor]

true hahahaha

[mild thunder]

i think one of the best things they can do is make more burst CDs into "dps accelerant" effects or "dps modifier" effects, sorta like berserk and reck speed up their specs rotations

[smoky anchor]

feral cleave is so insane

[mild thunder]

or how co assault for sv modifies their rotation

[bitter flax]

any pvers

[mild thunder]

instead of hurr durr 20% dam stim

[lucid walrus]

the whole deal with RA straight up giving your buttons an upgrade is also neat

[mild thunder]

agree

[oak heath]

Yeah, tertiary stats can be really cool

[smoky anchor]

one thing that is probably the best it's ever been

is pvp gearing

[oak heath]

But like deathwish was sick because, yeah you're gonna body someone but if you mess up, you might get bodied. Game are super interesting when there's always the other side of the coin.

[smoky anchor]

at least as a semi casual pvper

[mild thunder]

pvp overall is probably the best its been since wod

and 10.0.5 is only making it better

[smoky anchor]

i'm certainly enjoying it way more than i ever have

except vanilla wow hunter was super fun. specifically vanilla not classic

ppl are too good now for classic

[mild thunder]

classic is lots of stuff with no polish
retail is not much stuff with lots of polish

retail is better, but it feels a little bare at times

[oak heath]

Rogues have stealth, but you move slow as shit. Druids can shapeshift, but you're extremely defenseless in-between shifts., etc

I think wow is sorely missing its checks and balances systems

I think probably MoP was the last time each class had a really good dedicated dev

[mild thunder]

mop is the definition of goated

[high creek]

am i tripping or do some shuffle games as warr feel like you are kinda just running around hitting things while everyone else is playing their own game? should i just start training healers? 1700ish mmr

[smoky anchor]

ya some are hard

especially with a lotta range

[high creek]

ok i wont sweat a one off game

[smoky anchor]

hardest i run into are usually double mage

[gritty salmon]

Finally some very well needed fury buffs

16 second slaughterhouse as well

I wish they increased execute damage with 25%

Because even with 15% it will tickle

[mild thunder]

the worst part about fury buffs is people wanting to talk about it

[gritty salmon]

Arms will still be kings and they need to get nerfed

I don’t know why you complaining

[brazen rock]

delete fury spec.

[mild thunder]

extremely common varughh W

[woeful solstice]

This

[drowsy grotto]

what about rogues?

[smoky anchor]

ROGUES CAN GET their shitty 10% or 15% they had back before trhey buffed wound poison

they dont need it when they can stun you for 5 seconds every 30 seconds

[drowsy grotto]

yes. i can back that

[stoic storm]

what actually makes fury really bad atm, is it just low sustained dmg

[coral axle]

when avatar/reck is on CD the damage is super steady with no actual healer pressure

[gritty salmon]

It’s bad execution burst

[coral axle]

the sustained damage is ok but without any kind of spikes and an awful MS it doesnt actually accomplish much

[gritty salmon]

We can get them down but getting the kill is hard

[coral axle]

with ~4 more seconds of max slaughterhouse it actually might be a lot better

[gritty salmon]

And the nerf to slaughterhouse was very bad but it’s been somewhat mitigated

16 sec is okay should be 20 sec imo

And fury execute is downright garbage

Like actually garbage enough where pressing it makes you lose dps

[coral axle]

yeah absolute trash skill barely worth using ever

[gritty salmon]

Bloodbath does more damage then execute below 35%

[coral axle]

its getting a slightly bigger buff than the other skills next patch but I think its just as garbo

[gritty salmon]

But bloodthirst and bloodbath outright buffed

Slaughterhouse buffed

And annihilator buff

[stoic storm]

do you think onslaught/single minded fury will see play after buffs

or is the build not flexible in that regard

[coral axle]

arent they just buffing the white damage? white damage feels so irrelevant rn

but idk I haven't really kept up on all the fury buffs, could be wrong and it'll be the way to go

[mild thunder]

No

[stoic storm]

not sure, just saw the AP of onslaught is similar to that of rampage now, but not sure if build pathing prevents you ever playing it

[mild thunder]

Onslaught doesn’t do relevant enough damage for an annihilator build because the rampage mod is super low, and onslaught is too regular of a disruptor for your bt spam to be worthwhile

And yea at this rate smf will just never be comparable to TG, doubt it ever will be again

Better off just removing it at this rate

Also if I’m not wrong, the bloodthirst buff is literally not going to see use because it won’t apply to bloodbath

[stoic storm]

ah true, I didn't realize the importance of reckless abandon

[brazen rock]

when they nerfed bloodthirst heal it affected bloodbath despite not being in the notes iirc

[mild thunder]

I think you’re right, but there are other times when they’re both distinctly mentioned, like when it was buffed by 1%

Will have to wait and see ig

[smoky anchor]

if it's just bloodthirst

sad

[thick reef]

hey guys, what comps do u think will be good on tuesday?

[smoky anchor]

tsg

maybe ret/war/x

[thick reef]

awesome tyvm

[gritty salmon]

They buffed both bloodthirst and bloodbath

Bloodbath by 5% and bloodthirst by 10%

Rampage 10%

So in relevance it’s like 7-10% outright buff

On top of that slaughterhouse 16 seconds

Onslaught did get massive buffs together with tenderize

Perhaps it see play

[merry valley]

Onslaught will only see the light of day if Raging Blow gets stronger

and by stronger not just dmg, Bloodbath needs to not heal and Bloodthirst healing needs to be reverted along with Warpaint nerfs so both builds are equal in defense

and unerf Crushing Blow in pvp

ilvl 394 Crushing Blow deals 15 more damage than 422 scaled pvp CB

[gritty salmon]

The thing is tenderize will free up a pvp tslent

Since enduring blow isn’t really necessary anymore

Since 2 sec enrage from tenderize

[merry valley]

tbh, no matter if we play Annihilator or Raging Blow, i feel PvP talents are very much unchangeable

slaughterhouse + warbringer

with disarm and bloodrage as one of last

[gritty salmon]

Depends if you face melee

Meeting mobile classes will be hard to keep enrage on 3 sec

What about onslaught and annihilator build

Also something that hasn’t been spoken about

[merry valley]

usualy if vs disarmable character, sure disarm

[gritty salmon]

But unbridled ferocity got buffed 100% on uptime

[merry valley]

else i take bloodrage, always either druids or shamans going on root break helps

[mild thunder]

I know. What I’m not sure is if bloodbath damage will be increased by 15% or only 5%.

[gritty salmon]

Most likely 5%

Because they would have specified and 15% damage buff would be luda

[merry valley]

how so

[gritty salmon]

They specified the difference for a reason

[mild thunder]

If they did this, the annihilator build would never heal. Once you get your initial rampage off, you’re almost never using bloodthirst

[gritty salmon]

I’m not 100% but it’s buffed to 8 seconds

[mild thunder]

So fury is getting buffed by even less than people are saying then

[merry valley]

ah u mean berserker torment

[gritty salmon]

It’s not 15% on bloodbath because they only said 10% on raging blow

But not crushing blow

[smoky anchor]

when you really think about it fury is actually getting nerfed

[gritty salmon]

No it’s not getting nerfed lol

[smoky anchor]

Stop fury coping

[gritty salmon]

No unbridled ferocity

It’s the last on our talent free

After to reckless abandon

[merry valley]

yh but since when its 8 sec?

cause onslaught also proc?

[gritty salmon]

It was 4 sec but I think they buffed to 8 lemme find it

[merry valley]

the 8 sec buff

is to berserk torment they trying too hard to make it viable

unbridle now also procs with onslaught, thing is, the amount of time we use rampage vs the time we use onslaught is like night and day, unreliable as hell

[smoky anchor]

feral druids are the new dh

[gritty salmon]

At nvm you are right it’s berserkers

But it’s still a good buff

[merry valley]

titans still better

[coral axle]

So is feral actually going to be better or worse on Tuesday? They are getting so many changes idk wtf is up

[merry valley]

some nerfs

[gritty salmon]

Far worse

[coral axle]

Saw their bleeds are getting like a 15% pvp nerf but they also are getting talent changes

[gritty salmon]

It’s as if mortal strike and execute for nerfed 20%

[mild thunder]

No

[coral axle]

Aren't they getting talent changes like arms tho? I figure it would bring a bunch more damage with it

[gritty salmon]

It is though read again

[mild thunder]

They’re getting pretty substantive buffs to their class and spec trees, get more utility and tankiness for less points and their spec tree is being vastly cleaned up so that they get more nodes

[coral axle]

I don't pretend to know anything about feral talents or what they are changing tho

Ah word so yeah, doesn't sound bad for them

[mild thunder]

They’ll do less damage, but will be tankier and have more utility to compensate

[brazen rock]

feral is being forced to pick between moonfire and feral frenzy.

[mild thunder]

That was changed ages ago

[brazen rock]

o

[gritty salmon]

Good thing is frost dk got somewhat buffed

[mild thunder]

They get literally everything they want from both their trees in 10.0.5

[brazen rock]

ignore me

general druid tree is still a mess

[mild thunder]

Yea still some wasted nodes but overall far better

[gritty salmon]

Why are all hunters whining

[coral axle]

Marksman is losing its cheese

[gritty salmon]

@merry valley anyways I think onslaught will be mandatory

[mild thunder]

Mm is getting gutted lmao

Suck shit

[gritty salmon]

Double tap gone

[coral axle]

I think sv and bm are getting a small buff

[gritty salmon]

Well no one plays survival

[coral axle]

Less pet damage on pet sac or something

[brazen rock]

@wheat jay does

[merry valley]

if annihilator is still the go to, idk how it can fit. Wont replace odyns nor reckless abandon, and tenderize doesnt synergise well with Annihilator

so unless u replace storm of swords and annihilator with os + tenderize idk how it can fit

[gritty salmon]

It does if you go fresh meat

If anything with fresh meat it gives you 100% uptime

[merry valley]

?

i mean onslaught giving stacks of slaughtering strikes

[wheat jay]

Big change to sac

[gritty salmon]

Tenderize increases enrage with 2 secs

[wheat jay]

I can swap off of mechanical pet

[mild thunder]

You don’t suffer from enrage downtime tho

[gritty salmon]

If you skip enduring rage

You can if facing mobile classes or casters

[merry valley]

regardless

[gritty salmon]

Tenderize practically gives you a free pvp talent since

Enduring rage won’t be necessary

[merry valley]

Annihilator wont take onslaught, with set ull spam bb bb execute rampage, no spot for onslaught anyway

[mild thunder]

Why am I even trying to advise the fury mains

Let them suffer

[barren vale]

Buff is relative. It's a nerf into spellcleave and magic heavy comps but is better into physical damage. DS still has the 50% penalty to recovering recent damage taken from pets or players, so it's still limited.

[mild thunder]

Would be nice if they added some actually cool pet families to the mortal wounds group

[wheat jay]

There's otters

[gritty salmon]

True but minimum healing now will be 9.1 %

[mild thunder]

Otters do be cute

[barren vale]

Imo it lost more into magic damage than it gained into physical

[mild thunder]

But I wanna use my white stalker thing from MoP

[barren vale]

But thankfully DS is no longer totally useless and is now maybe just okay instead

[gritty salmon]

And dk was way to Tanky against casters so it lost ds

Improved death strike should be nerfed 25% not 50%

[barren vale]

It'll still be fine into magic damage and spellwarden is usable still even with nerfs I think

Because it was ridiculously overtuned

[gritty salmon]

Also the stamina buff will small does help dks

[merry valley]

most dks would gladly have spellwarden removed at all and get deathstrike power back

[wheat jay]

No

Otters

Or dogs

[gritty salmon]

I would be glad to remove spellwarden if they buffed improve ds with 25%

And buffed the recent damage taken nerf

[merry valley]

nah

[barren vale]

With the stamina changes on set bonus and reduction of damage we'll see if it is that bad

[merry valley]

will of necropolis + that is too much passive mitigation

[mild thunder]

Have you gotten the new spirit beast yet?

[barren vale]

I need to grind conquest on my warrior lol

[wheat jay]

No i barely Play

KFC is near unplayable

[mild thunder]

True

[white juniper]

Hey team are we running roar or spear generally?

2s

[crude bane]

ITS HAPPENIIIIIIING

THE CLASS TUNING

FUCK ALL FERAL

FUCK ELEM

FUCK RETPAL

WE R SCARY AF NOW

giga buff fury kekw

[grand scaffold]

fury getting a buff?

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

is the buff actually good?

[crude bane]

10/15% on almost every spell

• MS 16 Sec

but arms is

ignore pain into all this meta slaver getting nerf

its happening for real

S tier arms can some1 confirm

[grand scaffold]

dang

will fury or arms be better

[crude bane]

prob arms with IP dunno

@full quiver this guy is on every discord we neeed a situation

how much baby cry is ret discord ?

[smoky anchor]

arms probably

ret getting buffed overall

[oak heath]

I have the raidfinder tier gloves and a m+ chest piece for the two piece, should I run this or will I be missing too much ilvl/vers? Pieces are 382/389

pvp ilvl will be around 415~

[smoky anchor]

the tier is good but not that good

it won't overcome a 40 ilvl difference

[oak heath]

Odd, when I switch back to my conq chest and honor gloves, the pvp ilvl stays the same

[full quiver]

haha i'm not in pally disc

[wheat jay]

It shows max possible equip iirc

[grand scaffold]

will fury be atleast a tier?

[pure hornet]

Yes

Tier ed of trying

[grand scaffold]

dafuq

2 wins this fool getting serious rating

4 wins im getting 3?

guess thats for a loss streak

[pure hornet]

They balance out with time

Just improve and rating goes up

Overall

[copper hare]

Yes because his mmr is 200 below the lobby mmr

[grand scaffold]

ugh

oh well

let the win streak begin

[finite fox]

We taking bets for what new fotm emerges Tuesday

[steep inlet]

Arms

:)

[finite fox]

Arms does stream Pog

But is it going to be a solo shuffle god is the question

[muted surge]

Mate why didn’t you just wait for Patch

[urban skiff]

i feel lke something has been reduced but this maze of tripple negatives is too much for me..

[wheat jay]

Which one was storm of steel

[urban skiff]

ravager talent that gives extra charge

[wheat jay]

Ah

[mild thunder]

there seriously needs to be a live database of pvp-specific nerfs

i remember pvping on my ret in SL and finding out like 90% of their abilities are nerfed in pvp

[fossil mortar]

Worst feeling is hitting a button, and it doesn't work at all as in pve. So you gotta scramble for bits of information to find the twelve reasons why in hidden auranerfs.

[urban skiff]

just a line in each talent "This effect is increased/decreased in pvp combat"

[rapid shore]

its crazy there isnt anything about that

[steep inlet]

There is

https://drustvar.com/pvp-spells

[rapid shore]

ye, but in game

in tooltips

[muted surge]

Blitz probably isn’t sure what the modifiers are either

[mild thunder]

legendary troma

[pure hornet]

Do you bind avatar with cs?

[mild thunder]

nope

but i will bind ignore pain to everything

[lucid walrus]

bis macro 2.0

wallahi

[lean burrow]

why is there no ignore pain irl

[dire carbon]

Cause u a freak!!

[grand scaffold]

because i find queing fun

and waiting another 3 days kinda sucks ngl

also

i thought i could get 2300 before patch

[finite fox]

Is ignore pain off the gcd for arms or something I’m missing

[mild thunder]

its called alcohol

[mild thunder]

yessir

[finite fox]

Same rage cost tho?

[mild thunder]

40 rage, 11s CD, off-GCD

and 50-60k value

[finite fox]

That’s actually insane is that happening Tuesday ?

[mild thunder]

yep

people seriously underestimate how strong IP is

[gritty salmon]

Roar could see play due to it getting a good buff on the bleed

It already was a play

But stronger now

[grand scaffold]

whats the rage cost for fury?

[mild thunder]

passive mitigation, free OP reset every 11s, 4s off OP CD, 8-12s off BS all from an off-GCD spender that only uses excess rage we already had

[mild thunder]

no IP for fury

[scarlet barn]

Fury doesnt have IP

[grand scaffold]

wtf

whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy

[rapid shore]

good

[finite fox]

Fuck fury they had their time in slands

[mild thunder]

fury barely used IP when it had it anyway

because it destroys your damage

[finite fox]

What was roar hitting for with the -50%?

[grand scaffold]

im so bumbed out now

[mild thunder]

60-80k initial, ~30k ticks

[grand scaffold]

no ignore pain

-_-

[muted surge]

Wait you playing fury?

[grand scaffold]

i was planning on it

[mild thunder]

i think TRoar will be super strong, but there's so many scenarios in which spear is vital, like any time you're versing an rdru

[muted surge]

Fury survivability is already good tho

No reason to get ip

[mild thunder]

but dropping ely might and running TRoar + spear might be good too

[grand scaffold]

i know

it just wouldve been cool to be unkillable

will fury pressure be better/worse than arms with buffs

[mild thunder]

worse

a lot worse

fury will be worse in pretty much every way

[grand scaffold]

dang

even survivability?

[mild thunder]

ranging from significantly worse to still significantly worse

[grand scaffold]

isnt fury like unkillable during er

with bloodbath spam

[mild thunder]

yea IP will probably push arms ahead in terms of tankiness, assuming your healer isnt braindead

and no fury definitely dies

[grand scaffold]

is it good to focus fury warriors in ss?

[mild thunder]

depends on what else is in the lobby

[finite fox]

Or is the bleeding getting buffed

[grand scaffold]

dk

or dh

[mild thunder]

imo dh is pretty squishy now

[finite fox]

I looked it up

Bleed buff so 60k dots maybe ?

[silk flicker]

the dot is not buffed

[mild thunder]

and dk is never worth targeting if you have a caster or other magi-based damage on your team

[silk flicker]

just the initial damage

[mild thunder]

even as a ret, dk feels pretty tanky

[finite fox]

Says bleed

[silk flicker]

i may be thinking of rend, my bad

[finite fox]

Thunderous Roar (Talent) bleed damage no longer deals reduced damage in PvP (was 50% reduced).

[grand scaffold]

into sp/ret

what do you focus

[mild thunder]

sp

gotta stop their dam

[finite fox]

So if it’s ticking for 30k current that’s 60k with buff

Which is nuts

[mild thunder]

just to be clear 30k ticks is borderline perfect conditions

thats not every tick

average tick is more like 15-20k

[finite fox]

Ahh thought u said 30k I assumed you meant Avery’s e

Average

[grand scaffold]

ok

into ret dh and ret dk what do you focus

[mild thunder]

nono, thats just the juiciest ive seen it get in shuffle when i was running bleed build

[grand scaffold]

and into ret warr what do you focus

[mild thunder]

depends on what is on your team - dk is never worth targeting if you have a caster, ret can be kinda tanky if they're not retarded, but still pretty squishy, dh honestly feels like one of the squishier melee in the game now

but idk if dh is actually squishy, or dh are all retards that dont know when to use defensives

[grand scaffold]

thats what im thinking lmao

[finite fox]

It’s the second option

Big issue was hunt was free rating for the first two weeks

So all the retards decided to roll purple and committed all their time to ez class and now are where they should be in their respective ratings so obviously the bad shows

[mild thunder]

idk if the hunt was ever really the issue this season, it was the 180k blade dances every 40s

[finite fox]

Nah it was both because they can land within same gcd

So you hunt + soul rend for free 250k damage with a blade dance going

[mild thunder]

imagine being able to disarm a melee spec tho

couldnt be dh

[finite fox]

Not with glimpse in the game

[tawny elm]

how come i always run into groups having trouble with big alliance raids when i want to farm sparks? 😦

[finite fox]

I always just farm in pvp world quest area and join a group in group finder

[tawny elm]

same

[spice hornet]

I ran into this issue too when doing them later in the week

No idea why

Just weird RUIN community people I think

[tawny elm]

ah

been wondering what the purpose of them was

[spice hornet]

I don’t see the fun in doing a 40v5

[tawny elm]

nope

[mild thunder]

RUIN needs to be ostracised

[spice hornet]

i dont believe them to be real people

its a guild full of those blizz AI

[slender bear]

Arms goated on wednesday?

[muted surge]

Always was

[wheat jay]

Guys

You can cry

You can despair

But in your times of need

There is one man who will help you

One true arms warrior

Who never strayed from the path

@fickle forge

He's a bit of a cunt tho

At least to me

[tawny elm]

any tips if you having a hard time getting your spear of correctly? 😦

[fickle forge]

Stop holding turtle for the next Christmas

😎👍

[mild thunder]

no, we're losing 5% ms damage

[wheat jay]

I was busy destroying some dh mental

3 stops on the hunt and feigned the dmg

[iron fractal]

When was it Arms will recieve ignore pain?

[pure hornet]

4 dayz

:d

[fickle forge]

We already have it

It's perma active on all of us for playing this spec

[iron fractal]

So Wednesday is the day of glory.

[mild thunder]

WHAT THE FUCK

i was just robbed of a shuffle win

i killed their priest like 0.5s before they killed our druid and it counted as my loss

wait

actually it doesnt even make sense

it's bugged to fuck

one healer has 3 wins, the other has 2

fuck solo shuffle, fuck blizzard, fuck life

[gusty forge]

There is a tiny leway for counter kills. If it happens. Counts as a draw. No winners.

[mild thunder]

yea, bullshit tho because my kill was so much more meaningful

i felt the crunch of the ms

[gusty forge]

Yeah its lame

[gloomy birch]

Would the stats wanted be the same for arms bleed based builds? Ie vers>crit>haste>mastery?

[mild thunder]

haste becomes slightly better, but yea pretty similar

also there really wont be any "bleed build", "unhinged build", "EP build" etc in 10.0.5

at most, it'll be 1-2 talents you swap in specific scenarios

[gloomy birch]

Interesting, you think the standard build will include rend and thunderous roar/wounds?

[mild thunder]

TRoar is hard to know, will be good into stuff that just walks out of spear like dk

but yea if you're not taking rend in 10.0.5 you're just trolling imo

[iron fractal]

Are there any good recommended builds out there for arms in open world/bg's?

[mild thunder]

dump 4 points into slam to make it do less than half of an unbuffed ms, or take rend and do more instant damage than slam with a bleed on top

its a no-brainer

especially with TC buffs making aoe-rending more attractive

[gloomy birch]

Do we know how the tree is going to look like already? Or is it unknown still

[mild thunder]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/talent-calc/warrior/arms

[gloomy birch]

Right on, ty papi

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAPBVUUVFERUFQpBQVCVQOVVRRURUJVCRVAQCQA is something like this way off base?

[mild thunder]

some wasted points in there

[hot solstice]

Isn’t 40 rage a bit too much for tc?

[mild thunder]

no way... we have ridiculous amounts of excess rage right now

and 40 rage dumped into IP every 11s wont really change that

[mild thunder]

i linked a build earlier but cbf finding it

but exe precision and fatality are probably gonna be worth picking up every game

bitter immunity is even more dogshit than i thought, bloodsurge is a dead talent, and im gonna try ditching leeching strikes + furious blows for TC

[iron fractal]

Warbreaker or Blunt instruments for bg's/world pvp?

And.. is Unhinged worth taking?

[tight imp]

just set up a Arms build and gonna practice today in unrated, i have like no crit though. Switched the 3 honor pieces i still have from haste to crit for my Arms spec though hopefully doesnt feel too bad

[clear pine]

IM GONNA KILL MYSELF NOW

160k dps evoker solo shuffle

wtf

he just went 6/0

even with 2 meeles on him

i deleted all my pvp gear

not gonna play this shit again