pvp

[mild thunder]

mastery is our only stat that can increase our maximum damage potential

so the true oneshotters are mastery-stacking

[elfin surge]

to be fair thi

im stacking both

crit and haste

equally

[urban skiff]

why not haste mastery?

[elfin surge]

mastery is for noobs

[urban skiff]

what makes it for noobs?

[mild thunder]

imo 30% crit is really comfortable... gives 50% crit chance during burst windows, 60-65% for ms if you have tier

[elfin surge]

do you have any mastery? @urban skiff

[urban skiff]

Not any that I want to have

[elfin surge]

[urban skiff]

ya got me

But I know i'm bad

like 1400 2v2 bad

[short sable]

[royal belfry]

im play with ash in 2s, tekanji

i suffer from warrior in 2s syndrome now

it is very fun and very enraging at the same time

[short sable]

That’s cos you’re playing fury like a degen

[royal belfry]

like a gamer, you mean

[elfin surge]

fury bad

[urban skiff]

Sharpen Blade looking really weird

[mild thunder]

2s feels genuinely pointless as warr

i dont know how you're supposed to reliably beat assa

[short sable]

Turboshit even

[mild thunder]

bs, disarm, parry, intervene kidney
oneshot outside of kidney

[elfin surge]

rdruid assa is 💀💀

[mild thunder]

[short sable]

Just play SS like a true chad

[mild thunder]

assa is just shit design

only time its been good lately is as the most degenerate playstyle

[royal belfry]

It brings me nothing but pleasure to dumpster a DH

[quasi zephyr]

The one on the bottom right is battleground enemies

[urban skiff]

damn thank

now I just need to figure out how to make gex not-ugly

[lean burrow]

why not stack haste/mastery and ignore lock's curse of no crit

separate gear against locks

[urban skiff]

kill lock before curse ez

[lean burrow]

it's instant

[digital crater]

Is Warrior in 2s legit trash?

[mild thunder]

yes

[digital crater]

Playing a lot with gf and it's rough but doesn't feel unplayable

But I'm omega pisslow

[royal belfry]

Man, playing 2s at 1.4k atm and genuinely not seen so many gladiator titles and mounts in my lifetime on the enemy teams

[undone pumice]

dont lie

shes your wife

boomer

[digital crater]

:(

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

[urban skiff]

proof that glads needs feeders to get anywhere tbh

Arena is just a pyramid scheme and the bottom just got knocked right out

[digital crater]

Why's it trash?

Need the other dps for space or what? In 2's, I mean

[royal belfry]

yeah idk it just seems unreal the amount of ex-glads im queueing into at low ratings

or maybe its just so oversaturated with boosters

who've parked themselves at 1.4k-1.8k for easy gold

[grand scaffold]

in africa its about 30 c

normal day

[wheat jay]

This season is just not inflated

That's all

And hey, you learn faster when playing against gladiators

[undone pumice]

its -6c for me

[urban skiff]

2C here in Denmark

was -18 right before christmas, made my job hell

[undone pumice]

what do you work as

[grand scaffold]

in africa its summer during Christmas time

and winter during july

[undone pumice]

unfortunate

[royal belfry]

Learning that I suck

idk we dumpster some then get dumpstered the next game, learn barely anything

[urban skiff]

i put heat in the ground

[undone pumice]

damn

wtf

[mild thunder]

-18c danish christmas vs 40c+ australian christmas

[urban skiff]

Or I guess I pretend to put heat in the ground but really I just pay the people that do the actual work

like idk, project management is dumb

[undone pumice]

australia isnt real

you are a paid actor

[mild thunder]

i am a paid actor

[undone pumice]

you are indonesian

[urban skiff]

you are paid indonesian

[undone pumice]

no

i am swiss

paid swiss

[mild thunder]

australia is real, just not western australia and tasmania

[wheat jay]

True pvp experience

[hot solstice]

do they fix mmr on shuffle this reset? I am done playin with people 200 les cr

[wheat jay]

Well

My man

That might have to do with you losing more games recently

Cuz that's how mmr is calculated

Gotta win more in a row

Or others have higher mmr cuz they are winning so much their mmr is equal to your's

[hot solstice]

I cant realy...people dont accept any critics in shuffle and start to yell...this games killin my nervs

[wheat jay]

That's soloq in every game tho

[hot solstice]

thats why no pts for 3-3? how am I supposed to climb than&

[wheat jay]

Win more

[muted surge]

Seems like you are just about the level of your rating

[wheat jay]

50-50 is going to keep you at middle ground cr

That's how its designed

[hot solstice]

I wish I could carry games...feels like only a matter of luck for arms

[wheat jay]

You gotta win more

[muted surge]

Why should you get points for being mediocre

[wheat jay]

Not a matter of luck

[hot solstice]

people tank all damage on arena center

[wheat jay]

Just carry games

Arms is strong as well

Pure skill issue

[hot solstice]

yes its strong with dps, but every time I wanna do a swap I have a feelin a will die in text 5 sec if I overextend a bit

[hot solstice]

and ur exp yet?

[wheat jay]

Glad

Ss i dont rly push

And not on warrior

[hot solstice]

Me glad too, doensnt matter at all

ah already checked

so I dont know why u mention solo potential

[wheat jay]

Well, if you're glad you should be able to carry games to at least some extent

Therefore, skill issue

[hot solstice]

Ok mr 55% surv

[wheat jay]

[urban skiff]

treat the game like overwatch and turn off chat

[hot solstice]

At least I get to add them to my blacklist so never ever see them again

[wheat jay]

Arent you even worse if you dont gain anything for 3-3?

[hot solstice]

I talk 2s

)

yet...if wanna compete its my 2100 vs urs 1850 in shuffle

[wheat jay]

Who gives a shit about 2s lmao

[urban skiff]

SL s1 glads

[mild thunder]

assa rogues

[urban skiff]

Wish someone would make an arms guide for dumbasses. All current guides will just read out talents and then say "execute good" "ms good" but not actually explain how to pump outside cds

[mild thunder]

ngl arms is a 2 button rotation... if people cant figure that out on their own then im not sure a guide would help them either

[urban skiff]

i'm too dumb for this

[hot solstice]

well u had better winrate in 2s...just wanted u to be in better spot

[mild thunder]

ms when its up, OP when ms is on CD

and thats arms

[urban skiff]

at ilvl 421 that don't seem to do anything

:/

[scenic maple]

The 30 seconds in between when CS ends and comes back up to click is spent not dying to air right now

[muted surge]

And when slam

[urban skiff]

from wednesday: never

[hot solstice]

u have basicaly 40% uptime on colosus if played well...try to get some cds from enemy healers in this windows so its harder for them to keep up when u r outside burst window

also try to sweep ur damage goes

[urban skiff]

what order do i pop cds?

[mild thunder]

never

[muted surge]

But I overcap rage :<

[mild thunder]

even now, rend does more instant damage than slam and has a higher chance of resetting OP

[hot solstice]

stack 2 overpowers than u rather bolt into avatar+colosus or avatar colosus into bolt

[hot solstice]

when nothing else to press available(yes it happens, dont believe the others)

[long ridge]

I just use hamstring or rend when I have downtime

[turbid ember]

I'd rather refresh ham

[long ridge]

Is it better to use rally at 90% when you know they are bursting or wait until you're like 40% so they commit?

[scenic maple]

I use it to raise hp so that the next shot might not be a killing blow

[nimble jasper]

read a pve guide

except add maintain hamstring 100%

[flat dome]

I use thunderclap

[crimson onyx]

omg, getting DC in SS and loosing 150 raiting, seems fair

Guess there is no good way to solve those things

[urban skiff]

rather take the risk of dc eating my rating than deal with a thousand leavers

[crimson onyx]

Yeah, thats the thing

[nimble jasper]

dont dc then

[ionic fog]

Is this real?

[zealous nova]

wut

[copper hare]

Hahaha

[lusty moth]

no it’s a deep fake

[copper hare]

Poor monkey

[ionic fog]

Knew it

[lusty moth]

those warriors are actually lizards

[digital crater]

30 ilvls on leg vs 2pc

[full quiver]

Lolololol

[urban skiff]

idk about real, more like real hillarious

[crude sentinel]

It be real.

[sage raptor]

It's real. I've done this about times with warriors in Solo Shuffle

[grand scaffold]

bruh my solo shuffle cr fluctuating

im going from 2230 to 2100 then back up then back down

like ugh

i keep queueing into legit goofballs

this shaman doesnt kite

healer doesnt use cds

like wtf

anyways

wish me some luck ima try and get my cr back

[wet vault]

Yes, it's real, and hilarious lol.

[robust hamlet]

Man I can’t even hit 1500 cr, my team just falls over, no effort -72 inc lol solo shuffle hurts my brain

[steel trout]

do more dam 😎

[grand scaffold]

you will get there

[grand scaffold]

yo mr menace

[steel trout]

wassup

[grand scaffold]

is it just me

or is endurance training legit useless

[steel trout]

yeah it doesnt really make a difference

play with it/without it feels same to me too

but i trust blizo more than i trust myself

when it comes to warrior

[steel trout]

arms so op...

buff dh nerf warr -_-

[robust hamlet]

Thx just trying to learn from it, if there is no need for shattering or wrecking, what do you guys swap to?

[hard hound]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-lmao-gif-25834385

[crystal socket]

Hey folks, trying to shuffle my way up to the transmog, and I'm wondering: do you swap in and out of unhinged depending of the comp/lobby? It seems that it could be smart, but I'm barely 1.6 and I have a feeling I'm thinking too much about it and should just press buttons more

[steel trout]

fast footwork or bitter immunity is what i swap to

[steel trout]

EP vs pet classes unhinged vs rest

[robust hamlet]

got it thx

Is unhinged bad for pet classes or you just get more value from ep?

[grand scaffold]

fucking charge dc

fuck

WHAT IS THIS

[lyric violet]

you get dc'ed for literally everything rn

[grand scaffold]

i fucking hate wow sometimes

[lyric violet]

and then it takes 20mins for you to load back in rofl

i got dc'ed from an arena and tried to login right away

and sat there on loadscreen with a full loaded bar for a solid 5mins Lol

[covert storm]

if i stack mastery am i able to play both arms and fury with it? or is it a bad ideea?

[steel trout]

alt f4 and reconnect then

[steel trout]

its cuz ur ms will just go on pet somtimes

[robust hamlet]

Oh shit I didn’t even think about that, thx

[grand scaffold]

guys

im about to drop back to 1070 cr

2070*

[barren vale]

If some of these people had their way, no class would ever get to be good other than theirs

Like anything that is moderately successful is OP because they breathe through their mouth

[warm portal]

I would do that with haste personally

[covert storm]

is haste good enough for arms?

[undone pumice]

ye

[warm portal]

I ran full haste to 2400+ as fury and I'm changing to arms using the same gear. It feels fine. Just plugging in new gear where I can

[covert storm]

thank you guys

asking for a friend tbh he is fury and i don't have the proper know how to actually give advice

[grand scaffold]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

i hate wow

fucking garbo teams over and over

one evoker

gripped me AWAY FROM THE HEALER

im so mad

why do i even keep on queueing

ima give up

[muted surge]

Yea it was prob the people with more than 1 win :>

[royal belfry]

Yeah 2s did not go well.

[muted surge]

Just wait for patch

[royal belfry]

Played for 4 hours, finished at the exact rating I started at.

[muted surge]

No loss = win

[grand scaffold]

notice the way the sp has 5 wins?

🤦‍♂️

[muted surge]

Did he lose the 1 when he was in your grp?

[grand scaffold]

no

that was the one i won

[royal belfry]

How do you guys even manage to get into Solo Shuffle? There's a 10 minute queue

[grand scaffold]

i think you answered your own question

[royal belfry]

do you just transmog farm etc between games

[blazing maple]

30 min q

not even 10 min

[grand scaffold]

sounds better

[grand scaffold]

im legit cringing

the other dps dont kill psyfiend when im cc'd

the evoker

[robust hamlet]

Gimme that legendary 49min que plz

[grand scaffold]

GRIPS ME AWAY FROM THE HEALER

[scarlet barn]

calm down Bruin

[grand scaffold]

haha

i miss that guy

what happened to him

[muted surge]

Sounds like a good team play

[grand scaffold]

sounds like shit teammates that dont peal

tbh

cant even argue with that

[covert storm]

ngl you seem kinda toxic

[robust hamlet]

ss will do that to ya

[grand scaffold]

nah im not toxic but i do rage quit

like if you add me legit wont call you trash once

but in solo shuffle

yeah i yell at people

[covert storm]

i lost today from 2110 to 1840

SS is a mess

[thick reef]

When you get enough conquest is it worht it to hang on to your drakebreaker gear for world pvp for the set bonus, or is conquest just flat better? I have so much gear in my bags I hate it.

[grand scaffold]

when you lose 200cr 2 nights in a row

you tend to not be very happy

[covert storm]

agree on that

[robust hamlet]

[grand scaffold]

like ill get my cr back later tonight

but holy fuck its annoying

ruins your mood

i literally just want 240

2400

nothing more

and the game wont give it to me

-_-

[grand scaffold]

thats relatable man

soryr

sorry*

[robust hamlet]

any comp you guys prefer in 3s?

[grand scaffold]

play with a caster

that way you dont get focused

AND FLOP

[robust hamlet]

makes sense arms is good at that lol

[mystic barn]

u gotta earn it

[grand scaffold]

bro you dont know how hard im trying

its like only certain hours of the day im getting cr

idk

[warm portal]

Even with useless teammates you'll climb as long as you play well. Everybody in that lobby has to play with them on their team too.
Sometimes people just fuck up and throw a round but generally speaking if you consistently perform well the number goes up

[covert storm]

it's ok i think i also did some mistakes probably, i'll queue again and try try try, nothing else we can do tbh

am kinda tilted so no more games today

i'll prob be shit atm

[grand scaffold]

im tilted af but fuck that im getting my cr back

im waiting for me best friend to get to his house

then ima tell him to tell me to leap

when im dying

bis strat

worked last night

[grand scaffold]

my mistake is playing solo shuffle in the afternoon

seems like the tryhards play at that time ngl

[covert storm]

yep

also wed

easiest is tuesday

[robust hamlet]

just had a resto shaman throw the match cuz the spreist was talkin smack....good player base lol

[covert storm]

damn

told a resto today "pls stop doing dmg and just heal"

responded"stfu you retards"

egos i presume

actually was suck my dick retards

the comeback:))

he lost 6/6

[near delta]

You're probably just tilting at that point tbh.

[undone pumice]

Are Hpaladin Paladins still aqua cuckoo, turn your frootloops to chocolate yoohoo?

Holy paladadins were not, at the beginning of the expansion. Now people are saying they are. And apparently they are, in awc. Rotribotrudin will inevitably be nerfed with how people cry about it but Paladins my main, will Hpally Paladins be good? I am high off of compressed air.

[digital crater]

In a situation where I'm pumping singletarget into a kill target with an unhinged build, is it worth cancelling BS once the 2 MS are out?

[robust hamlet]

gatta love losing cr when some one rage quits early

[muted surge]

That’s what people wanted ;>

[robust hamlet]

hmmmm idk how to deal with ferals in ss....

[digital crater]

What does the EP build look like asides from EP in, Fatality slotted in with the spare points or?

[short sable]

Go for someone else

[robust hamlet]

lol got it

[royal belfry]

just run solo shuffle @short sable said.. it's better than 2s

[short sable]

Yeah that’s kinda yikes

[robust hamlet]

im having a really hard time with locks just sitting there decimating the whole map

[short sable]

If you’re double melee just sit lock and switch when you can

[robust hamlet]

any addons you guys use for arenas? any info is much appreciated

[wet vault]

I just copy what Bahjeera does for addons and macros because I'm too lazy to research it myself.

I also started solo shuffle yesterday, not bad, but sat in queue for 45 minutes a couple times.

[robust hamlet]

oh yea thats the good stuff lol im forced to do ss cuz my friends get heated in arenas haha

[wet vault]

I don't have a healer to consistently play with to do 3's and can only climb so far as double dps in 2's. So yeah, startes doing SS lol.

[coral axle]

against demo you can try and save ur fear for demonic tyrant, when they cast tyrant select it (to make sure it gets feared) and intim shout, they will lose like 50% of their dps

against affli and destro you can just sit inside their ass as much as possible

[robust hamlet]

ty for the info my dude

[turbid ember]

I really like the way that you used words regardless of whether they made a coherent sentence or not

[undone pumice]

not my pasta

[turbid ember]

You dank memers, I can never keep up

[lyric violet]

its a pasta from wowpvp subreddit isnt it Lol

I saw that post today

[rancid granite]

lmfao.

[candid bough]

man did they really never add a way to buy individual old pvp weps with marks of honor?

[turbid ember]

Wasn't that area 52 or something

[candid bough]

hmm ill check, wasnt there

[silk flicker]

is there a preferred trinket to use on arms? does it matter?

[fair tide]

I use badge w/ crit

prob best bet

[rancid granite]

i learned that its whichever pvp trinket at least

i thought i was gonna have to grind for pve trinkets but nope ✌️

[fair tide]

hated the pve trinket meta

was toxic in bfa w/ drest and shit

skulkers was pretty fried too

when it worked

[barren vale]

Skulker got popped pretty quick though

Imo set bonuses and the pvp ilvl upgrading pretty much make anything not a pvp trinket bad.

[next herald]

I still have No Idea where i can Setup hamstring in bigdebuffs. I dont find it in there

[grand scaffold]

i got a charge disconnect

again

down 100 points because of it

:/

fuck you blizzard

[quasi lotus]

F

NDownBadGo

[robust hamlet]

Is alt F4 macro’d into ur charge? Lol

[coral axle]

Think dude has like 300 ping, the delay probably causes more false positive anti-cheat detection

[tight imp]

So in the pins it says haste is more valuable for bleed builds. I'm gonna switch to Arms from fury for pvp, and if most of my gear is haste I'm guessing the rend one in pins is bleed build mentioned?

[grand scaffold]

i think im taking a break from solo shuffle guys

down to 1950

i cant keep on playing

[fair tide]

ayyyy

[scarlet barn]

@grand scaffold

When you lose like 150 rating in a day

It is better to call it

[grand scaffold]

yea

i know

[scarlet barn]

Not bash your head to catch up with cr you lost previously

[grand scaffold]

i just get hopeful in getting cr back

yea

[mental knoll]

Is there anyway to send honor to Alts?

[grand scaffold]

i dont why i didnt cut my losses

[warm portal]

Only through the little BoA honor tokens that reward 150 honor each

That you get from the boxes

[mental knoll]

eh

kk thanks

[fresh kite]

why is fury bad in arena?

[hard nacelle]

damage doesn't feel great, not a lot of defense against burst, our mortal wounds isn't great, and our tier is bad

I think

[grand scaffold]

it just doesnt do that much presusure

it survives awesomely tho

[fresh kite]

yeah

[grand scaffold]

once conq is uncapped ima push 2400 with it

[fresh kite]

noticing in arena my arms

is a lot more squish

[warm portal]

Low dam
Low utility
Terrible mortal strike effect now
Defensives essentially turn off in high damp

[grand scaffold]

yeah its not that fun

[fresh kite]

i liked fury better

arms just feels eh

[warm portal]

Arms better utility and dam but made of glass

[fresh kite]

could i climb in solo shuffle as fury to 1800?

[warm portal]

Yes of course lol

[fresh kite]

or is arms just easier?

[copper hare]

had 40 min queue, went for a piss quick

got a pop

missed it

went offline haha

[robust hamlet]

fury healz alot, arms has more pressure but is paper

[fresh kite]

hmmm

kinda feel with fresh gear fury might be the way

only conquest wep

drake and honor gear otherwise

[fair tide]

I know its prob bugged

but its comical at this point

[fair tide]

oof

always how it goes

go to get a drink or something and it pops 😄

[robust hamlet]

does anyone here use warbreaker?

[warm portal]

Fury is easier, but arms has more potential

[fair tide]

just made a monk rage in ss

feels gud

[copper hare]

you can use warbreaker into any kind of pet classes where your sweeping strikes likely wont apply cs or where you can snapshot in for the kill

[pure hornet]

Guys how do i record games?

To upload in pvp review section?

[warm portal]

Could use Shadowplay if you have an nvidia card

[pure hornet]

Nope

Heard about squadov. Is it ok?

[next herald]

Obs

[autumn whale]

I have never waited this long.
Que up, if your over Q by 5mins just leave and re Q.
Everytime I do that it generally pops next go.
Don't get me wrong you may wait 20mins.
But better than 1hr

[mystic barn]

its not

[fair tide]

oh its all good

[mint dagger]

can i macro stance change to one key?

[robust hamlet]

Wtf do you do against a frost mage 210k glacial spike 198k ice lance….match over

[copper hare]

dont let him free cast

like frost mage is only scary with veins

[lyric violet]

solo is so troll

get dc'd try to reconnect get stuck at load screen alt f4 get stuck

[warm portal]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance

[lyric violet]

losing rating cuz the game says nah you cant play sry

[nimble jasper]

better than leavers getting no penalty

[nimble jasper]

takes multiple casts in veins to reach that point

if you let him you deserve to lose

[dusk mauve]

How does spear work on locks? I think they can gate out of it but their TP to gate doesnt work when theyre in spear right?

[robust hamlet]

soooo just lock em down? i, as one arms only have so much i can do

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[wheat jay]

Only so much with leap, 2 charges, stun on short cd, 2 CC immunities that also break roots

Yep

[robust hamlet]

oof guess im just bad then

[crimson onyx]

Kinda thinking about lvling a healer for the first time in PvP history (for me). Have not even played caster in PvP. What healer should i go? xD

Feel like even handling kicks will be horrible

[steep fjord]

Pres evoker.

[crimson onyx]

But they so ugly

[steep fjord]

Ugly wins

[crimson onyx]

Why Pres? are they so easy rly?

[wheat jay]

Gotta think about what using certain skills achieves

[nimble jasper]

you people talk about ugly

while playing orcs

🤡 moment

[crimson onyx]

Nelf/Gnome here tho ❤️ 😉

[nimble jasper]

female nelf

[crimson onyx]

ya

[nimble jasper]

ok yeah male nelf players got eyeballs missing

[worn cipher]

egirl moment

[nimble jasper]

thats playing priest

[crimson onyx]

Feel like Hpal should be an ok noob healer for all panic buttons

[nimble jasper]

hpal rn isnt

bad mana

most suspectible healer to getting spam cced

[crimson onyx]

Is that really a problem when learning in SS tho

Mh, mobility do kinda suck

[nimble jasper]

yeah when good spriests instant md your bubble

and kill through

[crimson onyx]

Shaman burst is tempting xD

[lucid walrus]

hpal also very vulnerable to swaps given the whole melee wings deal rn

[copper hare]

Hpal is actually pretty good right now when it comes to shuffle and with everyone having 4 Set soon

Melee wings heals trough any kind of dmg

[nimble jasper]

why play hpal

when you can play lizard

[lucid walrus]

although like mave said, hpal got a crazy pickrate in AWC for a reason

[nimble jasper]

and have an idiotproof button like emerald communism

https://tenor.com/view/crusader3455-crusader-gif-26563596

[worn cipher]

crusader

a man of culture

[rancid granite]

priest

priest is the warrior of healers

🤷

[teal light]

Priest is more like the most targeted by warriors. I would not recommend priest. They either get stupid boring simple Disc or flimsy Holy unless you are a master holy player. I would recommend Resto Druid, MW, or HPal over a priest any day.

[rancid granite]

yeah but its still the warrior of healers

basic of basics

otherwise just do whats fun / playstyle you like

(WoW community so notorious for nitpicking the meta and crap instead of just rockin at what you like)

[steep inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1015941304158531596/1066120737481568356/image.png

LOL

[wheat jay]

This tho

And fat dmg up to fury

Like 15% to all skills xD

[drowsy abyss]

Will fury make a comeback? Is it enough?

[wheat jay]

Possibly

[lucid walrus]

probably/hopefully not

this is interesting

[uneven turret]

is it just me or arms warrior is about to become literally gods come Tuesday?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[elfin surge]

FUCK FURY BUFFS

[wheat jay]

Now they need to fucking remove the relentless bonus

[green wyvern]

FURY IS BACK ROFL

[lucid walrus]

i really don't mind it tbh

thank fucking God btw

[wheat jay]

Its kinda dogshit

Overall

[copper hare]

Arms Bad need more buffs, like mortal strike dmg increased by 500%, ignore pain no CD, warbringer now rooting for 10 sec

[mild thunder]

Why did they wait so long to release the most based class tuning

[wheat jay]

As god intended

[uneven turret]

no Warbringer: 50% chances to instantly kill you target.

[lucid walrus]

skimming this and i literally don't see class tuning i disagree with

[coral axle]

More arms buffs 👀

[mild thunder]

Unholy and feral nerfs

[uneven turret]

and fury

[fair tide]

fury is dead

let it rip

[mild thunder]

Fuck fury

Buffs won’t do anything for it anyway

[coral axle]

Maybe with the overall stam increase/damage reduction healers will play the game again

[green wyvern]

nah I think these fury buffs are very powerful

[green wyvern]

st damage buffed

ms buffed

[fair tide]

fury

is fucking dead bill

[green wyvern]

people are hard coping

thinking fury wont be good

[craggy igloo]

fury looking kinda nutty

[fair tide]

you're fried lol

[lucid walrus]

unholy, feral, ele, and ret (burst) nerfed

so sick

[uneven turret]

these are insane fury damage buffs

[fair tide]

thinking that will help with a shit fucking ms

[craggy igloo]

15% execute dam is big with the fury 4 set

[copper hare]

Very good they buff other healers instead of nerfing the top healers to dead

[lucid walrus]

heavily agree

[copper hare]

Healing has to become more attractive again

[mild thunder]

Fury will still be shit

[uneven turret]

slauhterhouse got buffed

[fair tide]

wow, it lasts 2 extra seconds

until it falls off

[uneven turret]

4

[craggy igloo]

thunderous roar got a 50% dam buff lol

[mild thunder]

Ele nerfs are pretty light tbh, especially since they’re getting healing and utility buffs

[craggy igloo]

that's massive

[fair tide]

you gotta get it to smax stack to mean anything

[mild thunder]

But I don’t think ele is anywhere near as egregious as other classes

[copper hare]

Ele at least can die

[green wyvern]

max stack will last for much longer

[lucid walrus]

the flame shock buff is interesting but it's nice that their stupid lottery minigame took a hit

[green wyvern]

and its pretty easy to do it with full haste

[copper hare]

Try playing ele into dh/assa/dk and you know what pain is

[green wyvern]

and since they buffed st damage

you dont really gimp yourself by going full haste on fury

[mild thunder]

I don’t think people understand the ele nerf

[green wyvern]

I swear fury+havoc S tier comp

[mild thunder]

It’s not a nerf to instant lava bursts, only to the bonus damage from primordial wave

So it’ll go from like 15% to 12% bonus damage in your lava burst or whatever

[fair tide]

brah

stop the fury nonsense

it aint happening

[lucid walrus]

didn't read into it ngl

[mild thunder]

It’s a good nerf, but I have an ele alt and am biased

[copper hare]

These fury changes maybe would have mattered without the arms changes next week lol

[lucid walrus]

earth shock can only do 12.5% more dam with full 2p stacks as opposed to 25%

[fair tide]

this

[lucid walrus]

though ES wasn't really an issue

[mild thunder]

Yea ES only ever hits me like 100k max

It’s the 8 40k lava bursts in one global that oneshots people

[hardy wave]

Definitely been hit with 140k ES before.

[fair tide]

it's hell

[mild thunder]

Just reflect it bro

[fair tide]

warlock imp wasted the charge

get gud?

[mild thunder]

Be better

[copper hare]

Kick the imp

[fair tide]

lmao

[mild thunder]

TRoar is gonna hit pretty hard now surely

[coral axle]

Didn't even realize it was nerfed in pvp, wild they are giving war even more buffs

[mild thunder]

You can hit ~80k initially with TRoar already, with about 30k ticks if you’re critting

[coral axle]

Good thing they removed improved mortal strike or arms would be op

[mild thunder]

Dude arms is gonna be shit without improved ms

Huge nerfs

[fair tide]

everyone gets 4set next week, ms nerf what?

[coral axle]

Yeah 5% less ms damage? It's over

[fair tide]

😄

[coral axle]

Bro we are losing 5% ms damage do you really think ignore pain and 50% more damage on TRoar can make up for it????

[mild thunder]

To be fair, if we’re not using TRoar, this weeks arms buffs don’t mean much

[south kestrel]

Really

[coral axle]

True but 5% more bladestorm damage gang gang

[fair tide]

you'll recoup it w/ 4set

[south kestrel]

5% doesnt sound like much

[mild thunder]

I think he’s being sarcastic 🤓

[south kestrel]

Lul

[fair tide]

im dumb

[coral axle]

[fair tide]

❤️

[mild thunder]

Some guy was in here the other week talking about how arms is gonna be shit because of the 10.0.5 “nerfs”

[fair tide]

oh fuck lol

meanwhile that guy has rerolled dh

[coral axle]

The ultimate downplayer, spec gets the biggest combined pvp buffs of the xpack "nah bro gonna be shit"

[mild thunder]

Probably a fury coper

[fair tide]

I'm going to fill my pool on tuesday w/ tears

[lucid walrus]

yeah that was absurd

[fair tide]

that shits funny

[mild thunder]

Kinda scary that demo and aff were both buffed

[fair tide]

im more worried about aff tbh

[mild thunder]

But idk anything about how those specs work so idk if the buffs are big

Demonic tyrant is scary

[lucid walrus]

idk what harvester of souls is

[fair tide]

yeah it's pretty fucking rough

[lucid walrus]

huh

who cares

[mild thunder]

Ok cool

What about the demo buffs

[lucid walrus]

sooooooooo

6% buff to tyrant dam?

[fair tide]

locks are starting to get scary w/ full gear

but zugzug

[lucid walrus]

err no

[fair tide]

they bleed, kill it

[lucid walrus]

idk what the cap is, lemme see

[mild thunder]

I mean, the strat is always to just leap the fuck away from tyrant anyway

[lucid walrus]

yeah

[mild thunder]

The worst part about demo is that it just doesn’t fucking die

[coral axle]

I think it's 5 to 7% right? Also if demo plays that talent they have to give up their pit lord, so they are 100% all in on tyrant

[fair tide]

all I save leap for tbh

[lucid walrus]

if we were still getting fragged by demonbolts it'd be different

[lucid walrus]

yeah, i just for some reason assumed that the cap was 3 stacks

i don't know that for sure nor can i find info on it just yet

[coral axle]

I wanna say they usually have around 10-15 stacks but I may be out my ass, never paid much attention to it on my lock

It's a pretty big buff to that talent

[fair tide]

kek

will always feel bad to press

[lucid walrus]

rend further replaces vanilla slam as filler lmao

[coral axle]

Even more reason to never press slam yeah lmao

[fair tide]

better off just using ww to fill lol

[mild thunder]

TC also buffed by 30% so will be less shit to aoe spread rend

[mild thunder]

This means with SoS ww will do 55k instead of 50

[fair tide]

big numbers

[wheat jay]

Fury tho gentlemen

Big damgur

[steel trout]

Fuck fury

[copper hare]

Wdym

[fair tide]

lol

[copper hare]

I hit a 15k slam once

[fair tide]

no you fucking didnt

lol

[coral axle]

pic?

[flat dome]

They're buffing TC?

[lusty moth]

all cd’s & slam talents with crit maybe possible

[fair tide]

second that

[green wyvern]

I am down to see some 150k roars

and 60k bleed ticks

[flat dome]

Thunderclap pumps if bleed build

[lusty moth]

thunderclap pumps period sis

[fair tide]

I don't want more haste, 7% is too much

[coral axle]

Yeah is TC actually going to be good in pvp now? 30% buff is literally huge

[flat dome]

I've been using it already

It saves a global and is are, while applying a 20% snare

Aoe*

[fair tide]

you running a haste build?

[copper hare]

Play with mage and press tc on cooldown

[coral axle]

Arms bleed build do be lookin spicy with this patch

[flat dome]

No, crit

[fair tide]

god I hate rend

I hated it in vanilla

and I hate it now

[tawny river]

3 arms every solo lobby

after reset

[flat dome]

Thunderclapping during cds, then using thunderous roar fucking slaps

Especially against double melee

[copper hare]

Rend was only nice in wotlk/Cata when it actually had some interaction

[fair tide]

what numbers we taling?

can you post any log of an arena?

[flat dome]

Feral druid numbers

[copper hare]

No booorst

Just pets

[fair tide]

not trolling, would like to see what you see

[mild thunder]

TC is also just fun to press tbh

[coral axle]

Fax

[mild thunder]

weak ass slam vs fucking stomping with lightning

[flat dome]

I mean, it's an aoe that applies rend. What's to see?

[fair tide]

would like to see the rend dmg, duh

[mild thunder]

they should unnerf rend and just nerf sks if they're worried about it

[fair tide]

I just want sweeping strikes off gcd

[flat dome]

Should make rend apply to fueled for violence

Though that may be overkill

[mild thunder]

im pretty sure the only way to make FbV good is to tie it to TRoar

[lucid walrus]

i think compressing the damage that SkS does would be fair

[fair tide]

yes

[lucid walrus]

tradeoff for cashing in your bleeds early

[flat dome]

I'd think warriors would be unkillable during it

[fair tide]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-tom-general-deckler-south-park-s11e12-gif-21153368

[mild thunder]

problem?

[fair tide]

kek

[mild thunder]

imagine playing tank

[fair tide]

they didnt touch ip on a pve note

so much fucking crying

[green wyvern]

wait whos crying

[mild thunder]

so is there literally any of this tuning that isnt great?

[fair tide]

you haven't seen the cesspool they call the wowforums?

[mild thunder]

wow forum ppl dont even play the game i stg

[fair tide]

i swear to fuck they dont

[lucid walrus]

some opinions people have are just

telling

[mild thunder]

wowhead commenters vs wow forum

clash of the retards

[green wyvern]

I dont understand what they are complaining about

ip coming back?

[next parcel]

jesus these 30 min shuffle ques are making me change to pve, wotlk, anyhting else

[lucid walrus]

with any luck we'll see a repopulation of healers

[mild thunder]

idk, that's a lot of luck

id rather they flock to 3s than shuffle

[fair tide]

nah, just about how op IP is

for prot

[inland ermine]

Are the PvE buffs also present in pvp combat?

Like the pve arms buffs, since it doesnt say "only in pve combat"

[fair tide]

unless stated, yes

[mild thunder]

yes but they're not super impactful

[flat dome]

Hold up

Thunderous Roar (Talent) bleed damage no longer deals reduced damage in PvP (was 50% reduced).

LOL

[coral axle]

Healing should be a little less awful with burst getting nerfed but I kinda doubt it will be enough

[flat dome]

It already felt strong

[coral axle]

Mw hpal and disc are probably gonna all be a lot better tho, maybe not hpal with the nuke getting nerfed idk

[mild thunder]

i thought hpal was getting other mana-based buffs that were supposed to make it really good

go back to s1 SL where hpal could go 10 minutes and still have 80% mana

[hazy nova]

Yes 🙂

[fair tide]

dont do it

[next parcel]

i cannot play mate, i enjoy my warrior so much but with these ques i can not enjoy the game

[fair tide]

are you oce? or na?

[next parcel]

twisting nether eu

[fair tide]

yeah I have no idea how bad the queues are there tbh

god speed sir

[next parcel]

30 min

[kindred viper]

i mean, the time doesn't help

[next parcel]

idk but as a normal person that plays like mostly 2hrs a day, having to just play 20 min from a 2hr sitting at ur pc is a pretty shit thing

[kindred viper]

earlier today it was around 10 min queue

but yes i understand you, it certainly not a rare thing for me to cancel queue and just do something else/play something else that is instant

played 4 SS games today, took 3 hours. all 4 games +0 rating 🙂

+0 incentive

[next parcel]

exactly

how can you even improve

at being better

when you can t play

this is what happens when you make a game so interactive and fun for the dps specs and less for healers which are mandatory

it s 20 years from release and there are still no healers on this game

[uneven turret]

the real question is

Arms or fury on Tuesday

[steep inlet]

lol

[uneven turret]

thats a damn good quesiton to have tbh

[mild thunder]

is it a question?

fury will be B tier at best

[steep inlet]

arms S++

fury B

good question for sure

[mild thunder]

while arms is looking like the best melee by far, and possibly the best pvp spec overall

[uneven turret]

how u figure that

[steep inlet]

by pure logic / notes

[hot solstice]

they nerfed trinket bonuses

wtf

[uneven turret]

every one of fury's ability is buffed 10-15%

[hot solstice]

why

[mild thunder]

logicpilled Troma

[hot solstice]

so some ret can oneshot more easily?

[mild thunder]

the opposite

[steep inlet]

wtf

[mild thunder]

they nerfed mainstat and buffed stamina

[uneven turret]

Read bro

[steep inlet]

one drunk on fury one drunk on ret

and trinkets

[shut barn]

The main question is play wow or not on Tuesday

[hot solstice]

so now its 300 and 1000

[mild thunder]

fury buffs are literally irrelevant

[uneven turret]

why?

thats like 10-15% overall damage buff

[mild thunder]

damage will be meh at best, slaughterhouse still shit, rb build still gets shut down/killed super easily, none of them provide as much as arms

[hot solstice]

ahahhaahahah I wanna see Tonyferal face on feral nerfs

ahahahhaahah

damn that rough

his twitter gona explode

[mild thunder]

lots of ability buffs, sure, but rb buff is invisible if you're anni, exe buff is meaningless because its still lower prio than bt, rampage buff is 10% meh, anni does shit damage anyway, bt buff is meh, bloodbath buff is meh

[lucid walrus]

does BT build even take RA?

[mild thunder]

yea

for the infinite bt spam

[lucid walrus]

ahh yeah

[uneven turret]

u are grossly underestimating these fury buffs.

[mild thunder]

can you explain how im wrong?

[mild thunder]

reposting the same ss doesnt mean anything 😐

[mystic barn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897055819475091456/1066142864884650064/image.png

@mild thunder

[hot solstice]

is 100 stacks for pala a big nerf?

[next parcel]

anyone know why I cant use my undead racial at all in solo shuffle?

[mild thunder]

i mean, it'll proc half as much as it does now

so ig its pretty big

[uneven turret]

Arms didn't really get any damage buffs this tuning, (all the buffs are for PVE AoE)

[lucid walrus]

so what

[mild thunder]

so? arms was already lined up to be S tier

[uneven turret]

while every single one of these fury changes are mostly ST

[mild thunder]

and it did get massive TRoar buffs lol

[lucid walrus]

even if that were true, it wouldn't matter

[uneven turret]

Troar affects fury equally

[mild thunder]

and it'll still be shit

[merry valley]

fury needs crushing blow unerfed in pvp, revert bt heal and warpaint nerfs and remove healing from bloodbath

[hot solstice]

no assa nerfs still

[uneven turret]

So realistically arms damage will be about the same as it is now (with much more survivability of course), while fury will be 10-15% more damage than right now.

[mild thunder]

what???

how will arms damage be the same as now lmao

[hot solstice]

they remove 5% mortal talent

[mild thunder]

TRUUUU

[hot solstice]

and give u useless slam and overpower talent

[lucid walrus]

saying arms damage will be the same is disingenuous

[mild thunder]

arms damage is gonna be literally absurd, when it already has some of the highest effective damage in the game

[lucid walrus]

there's much less opportunity cost to the bottom end of the tree, big buffs to overpower via dreadnaught, etc

[uneven turret]

Well saying fury damage will still be shit is alsi disingenous

[mild thunder]

no, its accurate

[lucid walrus]

i mean

there's no reason to take fury

[mild thunder]

fury rn has some of the lowest sustained damage in pvp

[uneven turret]

Hence the buffs

[mild thunder]

and it's getting buffed by like ~8% overall

so yea, it'll still be shit

[hot solstice]

still no nerfs for assa and elem

[mild thunder]

ele was nerfed lol

[lean burrow]

dk got shit on

[mild thunder]

good

i feel like people should have to pass a reading comprehension test before getting access to this discord

[lean burrow]

on the other hand, dk bad = warrior bad

[hot solstice]

nah... noticed only shock buff thing...doubt the nerf though

[lean burrow]

since dks keep casters in check

[mild thunder]

tbf dk tankiness into melee was buffed

[lucid walrus]

death strike becoming more viable is pretty healthy

the reasoning given was solid as well

[mild thunder]

the ele nerfs and buffs were good

slight pullback on their burst, and survivability buffs

[steep inlet]

Mighty giga drunk

[hot solstice]

well, from what I see most ele dont pick surge talent, they go for extra haste

[tranquil raven]

will TRoar be the pick for arms?

[lucid walrus]

boy i sure am afraid of arms getting usurped when the class that's only deadly during cds gets an 8% buff

[coral axle]

I'd guess spear is still better for the non-rend crit build

[lean burrow]

all rets will now opt out of shield of veng

[mild thunder]

its like a 50/50 split

[mild thunder]

we dont know yet

but possibly

[tranquil raven]

interesting times

[mild thunder]

spear utility and crit dam is super strong

so it'll probably be situational, TRoar way more valuable into shit that walks out of spear

so 99% of specs

[lean burrow]

1 min 30% wall, better than arms

[tranquil raven]

lel

[mild thunder]

TRoar also good for aoe pet pad

[hot solstice]

cryes in enha

basicaly shamanistic rage

[lean burrow]

also like how rets got shit on

[mild thunder]

did it? im pretty sure most ret players would be pretty happy with these changes

survivability and healing buffs for burst nerfs

and sustained dam buffs

[lean burrow]

at least the one shot gimmick got shit on

[mild thunder]

they're probably happy with the changes imo

[timber coral]

20% isnt that bad considering the numbers they are at right now

[mild thunder]

160k decree instead of 200k

[uneven turret]

whos taking TR instead of spear next Tuesday

[lean burrow]

it's 33% for decree + nerfed 2-set

[lucid walrus]

~45% of your hp in a global as opposed to 57% or so assuming 350k health pools

i'll take it

[mild thunder]

actually yea it'll be closer to like 150k

or they just drop decree and take ashes reset

[lucid walrus]

could be worth

[timber coral]

Oh yeah final reckoning is 20%. Still don't think 33% is too bad though

[mild thunder]

ive seen ashes hit for over 200k

[lucid walrus]

i'm curious how much the trinket change will actually affect the flow of games

larger health pools and lower numbers does a lot

[mild thunder]

super healthy changee

surely

[timber coral]

WW got 40% nerf to their "one shot" ability, which hit like half as hard as pally's

[mild thunder]

idk about half as hard as pala

ww literally 100-0'd in a global

[lean burrow]

does that mean the talent does literally nothing?

[timber coral]

Granted their sustain is better but still

[lean burrow]

[mild thunder]

and ww was borderline inescapable if they had a brain

[mild thunder]

no the pvp nerfs were reverted

[timber coral]

Yeah ww burst in combination with their existing kit was too much

[lucid walrus]

yeah that makes roar a 1min cd again

[mild thunder]

so it'll go from 75s CD to 60s CD in pvp

[lean burrow]

[timber coral]

Is the consensus that DKs got off easy with their nerfs?

[mild thunder]

still weird tho, i feel like its probably not good to desync it from avatar

you get 1 maybe 2 extra roars in a game, but they each do 20% less damage

[lucid walrus]

the fact that their damage literally didn't get touched seems like a slap on the wrist to me

better into cleaves now, worse into casters

[mild thunder]

which part of unholy damage should be nerfed tho

gargoyle maybe

[lucid walrus]

yeah they're basically reverse ret

lots of damage in 1.5-2min intervals, decent sustain, good into casters whereas ret really isn't

kinda sluggish but they can actually kite

[mild thunder]

shouldnt ret be decently tanky into melee now? 2x 1min 30% walls, self-healing buffs, bop and bubble

[lucid walrus]

lay on hands as well

they're probably pretty fine into melee. strong even

[hazy isle]

ret got hit hard though overall in terms of their dam

[mild thunder]

kinda, but they have other options + the defensive buff is a worthy tradeoff

[lucid walrus]

^^

hybrids receiving more valuable utility is nice also. see: offhealing

[mild thunder]

if i were a ret main, i'd probably be pretty excited

they'll only be worse in shuffle because they cant gimmick to 2400 now

[lucid walrus]

granted, you probably can't do this anymore

[lucid walrus]

yeah exactly

[mild thunder]

😐

ret/arms will be super durable and scary

[brazen rock]

good

fuck harry potter

[mild thunder]

wtb ret 3s buddy

[lucid walrus]

tfw i'm the lowest xp warrior out of a bunch of pals who also main/alt it

[mild thunder]

looks like you've been picked to reroll

[lucid walrus]

to think i was getting so good with banner too

tradge

[minor vector]

Paladin time bud

[lucid walrus]

you can't do this to me

[mild thunder]

imagine if we got the crit dam banner we had in beta

on top of our current burst

[minor vector]

Crank for god, you know you want to

[lucid walrus]

erm..... actually you should capitalize the G

fake catholic cleave player

[minor vector]

i q with fucked up demon blader

[lucid walrus]

sinister as hell

[thick reef]

Does the 4 seconds added to slaughterhouse actually help or still dogshit

[minor vector]

Still meh but good QoL change

[mild thunder]

still dogshit imo because it falls off regardless

[thick reef]

My thought too

[mild thunder]

and good healers will always play around it

[fossil mortar]

ya still shit

[bright stream]

nah that's a big deal tbh

[brazen rock]

still shit

[bright stream]

rn you get like 4-6 seconds of 12 stacks, with this it'll be 8-10/16

[steep cairn]

If I want to try rend, do I get rid of fueled by violence?

[bright stream]

the other buffs feel more important though

[brazen rock]

yes, fbv is literal garb

[steep cairn]

TY!

[mild thunder]

The other buffs are even worse

It’s ~8% sustained damage buff to a spec that does nothing outside of CDs

[coral axle]

Yeah fury is going from worst melee to worst melee(better)

[mild thunder]

moving up in the world(from C tier to B tier)

[fossil mortar]

Well, we had our time to shine in PvP as Fury, that is now the past. Wait another 3 years and another moment will come

[mild thunder]

wait for the fury rework

11.0

[fossil mortar]

To be fair, Fury gets some neat buffs with the 10% on rampage and that jazz. Buffs to onslaught as well. Might become big. Time will show

[mild thunder]

definitely won't

[steel trout]

Keep fury in dumpster 🙏

[bright stream]

it was having issues securing kills after the nerfs - haven't played much of it last 2 weeks, but 10% across the board with other changes could move it from low/worst tier to mid/upper mid tier

I don't think it'll be as good as arms by any means though

[forest sinew]

hey guys, hunters HP bar disappears when they FD anyone got a fix for this horseshit?

[muted surge]

Flick your camera

Do a 360 or some shit I think, I asked the same here

Didn’t test it yet tho

[forest sinew]

ah ok ty

[hot solstice]

Macro arena 1 2 3

Anyway he will have huge absorb, so not big deal if u take a time to click on him

[coral axle]

I use plater and I haven't seen this bug yet, I think it's a vanilla ui issue

[mild thunder]

they'll probably be top of the bottom

very little of the changes will help them secure kills because execute is a dead button anyway

[mild thunder]

huge absorb?

[hot solstice]

With fd talent

[mild thunder]

thats not an absorb

[tribal nimbus]

Any tips against feral in 2s? My primary partner is an hpal

[mild thunder]

its just a 90% dam reduction

[hot solstice]

-99%

Ye

[mild thunder]

but yea, no actual absorb, just a weird nameplate interaction

[hot solstice]

But shows as absorb on bar

[mild thunder]

just dont want people to start wreck throwing into FD

[smoky anchor]

are they really ? it's effectively a perma half-avatar buff

i suppose that's not the big problem with fury?

[red ether]

Fury buffs are very nice. Wdym?

Fury keeps it's MS up longer and deals more damage

In what world is that irrelevant