pvp

[mild thunder]

i like TRoar

[pure hornet]

Can i loose 200 versatility for 200 haste gain? If i add walking mountain set? Witch is extra 10% mortal strike??

[mild thunder]

yea its def worth to take 4set

[lucid walrus]

stats are genuinely so overstressed

[sly nova]

which one should i get?

[fickle forge]

Anywhere that Scarlet Scourge goes

[steep inlet]

What is their serv ?

For warmode priority

[mild thunder]

yea vers is nice but i definitely think people over-obsess after the old trinket bonus was removed

[lucid walrus]

"guys what do i pick between 0.05sec shorter GCD or 0.03% damage done/0.015 DR"

etc etc

[mild thunder]

definitely the damage done

no questions asked

[urban skiff]

Is merc mode to alliance side still the way to farm honor during daytime?

[tribal wedge]

Longer gcd to admire Big Crit ans tmog IS the way

[next herald]

does anyone has a macro to target important totems and roots to hit ?

[lucid walrus]

can't macro that unfortunately

[lean burrow]

just mouseover heroic throw

[next herald]

i have ultra problems seeing my mouse sometimes in that mess of a fight. is there an addon too for it haha?

[untold adder]

ret arms in 2s works right?

[muted surge]

Yea there are multiple weakauras

[next herald]

ty

[fickle forge]

Ravencrest

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/guild/eu/ravencrest/the-scarlet-scourge

All your gimmicky world PvP'ers

[steep inlet]

perfect

thx

[fickle forge]

252 rogues kekw

[steep inlet]

love to shatter them with Arms

good

[worthy fern]

@next herald there are addons to make your mouse a bigger white circle

Or you can make the hand/finger bigger

[wheat jay]

Weakaura for it

Works better imo

[next herald]

ty i found something

[crisp mason]

is slaughterhouse bugged have been having it not proc half the time im rampaging someone

[south kestrel]

I DID IT BOYS

woooooooo

[lucid walrus]

solid work mr. boner end

[south kestrel]

learnt so much reading this disc lol

[elfin surge]

duelist when?

[south kestrel]

let me rest

[elfin surge]

rest is for the weak

[south kestrel]

im a pve pleb

[mild thunder]

good job, brother

[south kestrel]

tyty

[untold adder]

Gz man

[mild thunder]

time to rock that mog

[flat dome]

I love getting randomly one shot by eles

God this game is fucking trash sometimes

[cosmic rover]

Tempted to just roll healer for faster queues

[paper wigeon]

blunt vs warbreaker just preference ?

[warm portal]

Blunt is better for killing 1 guy
Warbreaker better for killing 2 or more guys

[mild thunder]

blunt is pretty much always better

it can be cleaved to one target with ss anyway

warbreaker only worth if there are pets or something that might soak the cleaved cs, or in rbgs

[paper wigeon]

appreciate the input

[mild thunder]

cs also hits really fucking hard with blunted

can hit upwards of 100k fairly easily

[next herald]

do i first activate avatar and then i cs right

[mild thunder]

depends

if you have unhinged, no

[lucid walrus]

unless you're playing BS proc/unhinged build, yeah

[mild thunder]

if no unhinged, yes

yea, better explanation ^^

[turbid ember]

Do you really need war breaker when SS can apply CS to 2 people anyways?

[mild thunder]

no

[south kestrel]

I had way more success using blunt

after these guys said to use it

[mild thunder]

warbreaker is also a far more familiar and obnoxious visual/sound cue

i found i got disarmed a fair bit less using BI at low ratings

[lucid walrus]

longer CS duration only further cucks anyone who wants to disarm you as well

[pallid void]

You guys running badge or insignia for arms?

[lucid walrus]

oh no, you missed half of a 30 second cd

[mild thunder]

most people are rocking badge

crit good, on-demand burst good

[pallid void]

Cool thanks

[turbid ember]

I had no idea until yesterday that SS applies all other attacks like hamstring and CS...so many different iterations of abilities

[lucid walrus]

pretty much anything that isn't inherently aoe will cleave

ergo whirlwind or bladestorm

[mild thunder]

SS is possibly one of the strongest abilities in the game ngl

[turbid ember]

Does SS and Unhinged work together?

[mild thunder]

yessirr

[pallid void]

Yeah you can technically get out 4 mortal strikes with as and unhinged

Ss*

[turbid ember]

I was always doing extremely mediocre damage until I stunned targets to setup my burst and learned how OP SS was.

I mostly used stun to stun the healer or whatever off-target, but I know it still has a use case for that but it helps the pressure so much

[lean burrow]

wow, #810664169140518947 really helps

+500 cr ez

[urban skiff]

technically 3.5 mortal strikes

[tribal nimbus]

What do you mean 3.5

[next herald]

SS is only 75% effective

[scenic maple]

Imagine when SS can be up 21/30 seconds

Let's gooooo

[turbid ember]

Don't forget your ABCs. Always Be Cleaving

[midnight flume]

Grats dus , that poor fking druid tho

1999 cursed

Win 4 rounds no rating arenalife

[south kestrel]

Happens lol

Mage got rating for going 1-5 haha

[flat dome]

I'm done till patch. Anything past 2100 and people just focus the warrior

[quaint snow]

whats the addon that shows an icon over earthen wall totem for example? Thanks

[wooden grove]

The life of an arms warr 😂

[warm portal]

I've got an ele as an alt and I've blasted warriors through parry like 70% to 0 at 2300 mmr lmao

Every round you just type "kill warrior" if he's arms and claim your free rating

[brazen rock]

ele nerfs when 🤔

[undone pumice]

smexxin said 1800-2400 is the worst solo bracket that 2400-2700 was easier

[brazen rock]

2150 rn i just hide behind pillar all game

push out when CDs are up

if dumbass melee come behind pillar we autowin with spear

[warm portal]

People seem to peel a lot more once your mmr is higher. In the lower or mid bracket you're just left on your own

And arms needs help when its being blasted

[flat dome]

I'd rather go fight Malenia at this point, again

[undone pumice]

most aids fight in souls is prob godrick or yhorm no storm ruler

[steel trout]

i think i set the new world record for losing 500 cr 😎

[normal bridge]

Post 1800 what's the play for casters that actually use their abilities? I'm seeing a lot more mages, evokers, and ele sham that just put me in time out then rip my butt open at their leisure

[steel trout]

when u dont have cds run

[lean burrow]

we becoming rogues?

oh wait, rogues actually can survive while fighting

[steel trout]

getting a re!

[warm portal]

Yeah just gotta run and play on cds if you're in a caster heavy lobby.

[crimson onyx]

What's the best alt for someone who only played warrior (more or less) since forever? (PvP Alt). DH, WW and DK feels very tempting

Preferably rather "easy" to master as i still need to keep improving on my main warr ofc 😄

[grand scaffold]

i mained warr since wod

and the only other class ive managed to play well is lock

dh and dk ez af too

[crimson onyx]

Interesting even though it is a caster

[digital crater]

Hmm

30 ilvls on leg or Arms 2pc?

Assume it's ilvls but idk how impactful tier is

[rancid granite]

2pc ez

[late nacelle]

U got past me now gg

2 set op

[brazen night]

if you want a zugzug class to play

I'd say go DH

its like 3 buttons lol

[steel trout]

went 5-1 got 10 rating

mmr on top 💯

[grand scaffold]

😄

next game was 2238

im taking a break now

[wooden grove]

DK likely

[warm portal]

Don't know if its an unpopular opinion but I think unholy dk takes a bit to master. The floor is lower just because you only need to learn your 5 gcd ramp which does near unhealable damage right now

Frost on the other hand is incredibly easy but its just kinda shit outside pillar & rw window

[late nacelle]

Cant play anything until weekend

Wageslave life

Unlucky

[grand tendon]

Conquest is uncapped next week right?

[late nacelle]

What?

[grand tendon]

I read that somewhere

But it feels early

[late nacelle]

I highly doubt it

[torpid roost]

Rogue, war, lock, priest, warrior is and has been consistently the hardest IMO, from a genuine "mastery" perspective being a skill capped rogue seems like a nightmare

[late nacelle]

Thats only an issue for rerollers

Ppls who played their class in a pvp setting for years just know intuitively what to do

Do we care about rerollers? Nah

Gigachad 1 class 1 spec for life is the peak of wow gaming

[grand tendon]

Polearm in vault but don't really play fury atm...

[late nacelle]

I've taken socket twice

Sadge

[craggy socket]

Ret paladin

DHs are gay as fuck

DK or Ret forsure

[crimson onyx]

I really go for that also, i feel like i am still not gigachad on Arms Warr so feel like playing something else is not legitimized yet xD

[late nacelle]

Tbh, I'd say some healer spec. Gives u good perspective and help u improve ur warr gameplay too

[grand tendon]

I can take m+ tier helm which I guess I'll probably do.. pvp options kinda bad altho free 1800 conquest weapon doesnt sound so bad

[rancid granite]

its 2023 we dont use gay as an insult anymore; pretty gay ngl

[deft yoke]

best pieces for 2 set arms warr?

[late nacelle]

Not helm

[deft yoke]

chest and legs?

[crimson onyx]

What's the best pvp realms for horde (i know it barely matters, but a nice PvP guild can make a difference)

Ally atm but thinking about mig for other reasons also

[late nacelle]

The one with your friends

[steep inlet]

https://i.gyazo.com/45060c35640e5e433d5784190ec68966.jpg

my dwarf alt is so cool ngl

[crimson onyx]

Friends are noob PvEers tho xD

[steep inlet]

plus delicious stoneform in this meta and 2% crit dmg so good with our crit opti

[late nacelle]

Train em

[warm portal]

Chest is crit/verse
Legs is haste/vers
Shoulders is haste/vers

So take your pick

[tall compass]

looks cool indeed

[steep inlet]

i will mix it with heritage armor soon

https://i.gyazo.com/9db7a5078eca4033b3d0edb197c7c7ba.jpg

[lucid walrus]

i’m sad that the gloves are just barely off

tabard goes crazy w/ that though

[steep inlet]

yep !

wotlk wrathful

[lucid walrus]

yeah i recognized. it’s sick

[half aurora]

Sometimes, in arena, without having Barbarian talented, my heroic leap will glow like it's temporarily boosted by something just as it does after leaping with Barbarian. Does anyone know what that might be?

[lucid walrus]

evoker buff maybe?

idk what the mobility cd raid buff does ngl

[floral basin]

Give you a free charge of leap without incurring a cd

[half aurora]

Oh, ok. That's it then.

[floral basin]

So if leap is off cd it should have a little 2 on the tooltip to indicate you have 2 charges of it

[flat dome]

SS can be so toxic sometimes

[halcyon imp]

tell me about it..

[flat dome]

People just raging cause I get blown up. Their like, use your fucking defensives

I did, my one cd

[halcyon imp]

what is the most simplistic class for pvp?

[lean burrow]

dstance, spell reflect, rallying cry, ignore pain

[flat dome]

Oh, yeah, used those too

Doesn't do much good when you have an unholy and ele proccing 5 overloads into you

[crimson onyx]

Any thoughts on current meta comps for us warriors?

[steel trout]

fury/dh/bm prob

[zenith marlin]

prot warr's showing up to 3s with 2 interrupts 1 fear and 4 stuns be liek:

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-spin-gif-21614735

[ripe turtle]

do the 424 pvp tier sets work in arena?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[craggy socket]

27 min ques is insane

i thought this got fixed?

[warm portal]

Thats a short one

[urban skiff]

hell yes

[urban skiff]

Spellreflect is a defensive against like 90% of the classes

also stay in defensive stance except when you're ready to blow someone up

[elfin surge]

never d

blame healer

top damage

[steel trout]

💯 real warriors never stop doing dam

[amber harness]

why no one playing skull splitter in pvp?

[grand scaffold]

what weapon is that

[steep inlet]

Bwl axe

A beautiful one

[coarse portal]

CAUSE WE GET DOWN AND SLAM, GET DOWN AND JAM This is a joke

[feral heath]

ah yes, 3d week in a row 2 trinkets in vault. how fun

[grand scaffold]

tf is bwl

and how do i farm it

[nimble jasper]

take third option

blackwing lair

[grand scaffold]

ooooooooh

[vapid rover]

wich type of gem you use actualy ?
i have stam/hast but maybe its not the optimal

[feral heath]

a 2nd set of shoulders?

[nimble jasper]

idk

[grand scaffold]

nah man

thats a world drop

[nimble jasper]

its prob cuz you’re a stinky gnome

[nimble jasper]

drops from the elite trash in bwl

[urban skiff]

blackwing lair

[nimble jasper]

you have to reset if you dont get it to drop

off the big guards

[vapid rover]

i have 22crit/13hast/13mast/34vers, so full crit gem are better ?

or stay with stam gem is not that bad

[grand scaffold]

thoughts?

[feral heath]

its red

[grand scaffold]

yea

[feral heath]

red is dead

[undone pumice]

red go to bed

amimimir

[nimble jasper]

mid mog

im just a dreadnaught enjoyer though

[flat dome]

Defensive stance is a better defensive for the opposing team

[craggy socket]

How do you guys play this game and not get unbelievably triggered

[flat dome]

Alcohol

[urban skiff]

it's not like you're scoring kills outside cooldowns

it's not like you need the damage outside cooldowns to kill something when cooldowns are up

[flat dome]

That's not true

[craggy socket]

I’m not drinking or smoking weed st the moment

I wish I could bc I see red losing arenas can’t even see what I did wrong just anger lmao

[steel trout]

thats what recordings is for 😎

[craggy socket]

What do you use to record

[minor heath]

Shadowplay

Very low impact on ur system if u have a somewhat new nvidia gpu that supports it

[craggy socket]

Ok yeah I’m not really sure what I’m doing wrong down like 300 rating.

Perhaps I don’t react to enemy CDs well. Do I leap away or just sit d stance?

[nimble jasper]

stop being so fixated on cr

also stop playing shuffle

[amber harness]

no but seriously. why no skullsplitter bleed build in pvp? with CS its 100k easy dmg

I also once did 50% to fully geared player, so mustve done 180k actually

[mystic barn]

people are fully geared?

[naive sable]

i've noticed a lot of disagreement on the topic of trinkets so just asking here too - for a human arms warr what do you guys feel is best trinket combo? been playing around with a few and cant settle on what performs best

[steel trout]

its ok bro i dropped 500 cr yday

[amber harness]

360k hp

[steel trout]

it happens

😎

[steel trout]

i use bm + on use

[terse lodge]

hey guys picking up arms warrior for pvp. i checked the top warriors and the pieces they are buying seems to be all different. Crit seems to be the focus but they have SOME haste pieces? can anyone help me figure out what pieces im suppose to be buying or the ideology on stat prio

[lean burrow]

crit > haste > mastery

[terse lodge]

can you play arms with 0 haste

like just all out crit build

[steel trout]

u can go crit > mastery if u want big dam

but it feels so shit to play compared to having haste

[terse lodge]

so go crit when possible if no crit then go haste?

[terse lodge]

is there a haste minimum we want to make the class rotate smoothly or doesnt matter

[steel trout]

just go crit and pieces that dont have crit u go haste and ull be fine

[naive sable]

im at 15% atm but honestly It felt fine at 10% too

[terse lodge]

im currently 18 crit 8 haste 20 vers 12 mas ill try to move around stats as i replace with conq

[naive sable]

do you not rate the insignia then? i've noticed its quite popular on the ladder

[steel trout]

its good too

[amber harness]

insignia gives you more mainstat in avg than badge and can line with avatar and CS
badge is on demand use tho and is nice for certain burst windows/setups
I guess a DPS comp would favor insignia and if youre doing burst setups with cc then badge

[naive sable]

yeah this is exactly my thinking - for shuffle for example I can see insignia coming out on top just for the zug fest that it is, but for 3s on use could be better when not playing a mongol cleave

[steel trout]

i use insignia in 2s

always

just cuz i feel like i can have so much more uptime

[naive sable]

yeah im leaning insignia for sure

insignia / bm maybe

[elfin surge]

badge or die

[feral heath]

Bleed is dots, MS is instant. It's easier to get a heal out during bleed dmg then 2MS crits.

[late nacelle]

Insignia lol

U want to kill them when u want to kill them

Maybe full rot bleed build insignia is fine

But probs not even then

Just having it on demand is so good

Insignia is gambling

Might not do anything

You need consistency

[craggy socket]

Into rogue/lock do I take disarm and banner?

[late nacelle]

None

U take zugzug

[steel trout]

what rogue

[amber harness]

its not like you lose MS and you gain an additional ability which does huge burst

[barren vale]

I just leveled my arms warrior alt. I bought pvp greens, and want to gear wisely given I have flexibility in conquest spending. I also have 16 trophies to upgrade bloody token gear. Any tips on gearing order?

[low cobalt]

gearing is so fast you dont have to worry about it imo

im casual and i have full honor gear in less than a week

just doing random bgs when i have free time here and there

[barren vale]

I'm thinking 1) get cq weapon & craft boots and helm. 2) buy conquest pieces in 2 large slots to turn into 2-piece tier (chest/shoulders/legs/gloves) 3) get neck and rings and fill other slots with upgraded token gear.

[barren vale]

I'm talking conquest/trophy gearing. I'll fill with honor gear as I go along, but I play a lot of rated.

[low cobalt]

oh ok. I was mostly thinking no point in getting crafted and greens if you get full honor so fast. And personally for me i wasn't gonna do any rated till I have at least full upgraded honor gear

[wooden grove]

Honor gear upgrades do nothing for pvp

Warmode gear < honor gear < trophy gear < conquest gear/crafted

[coral axle]

although the trophy/warmode gear has different stats than honor/conq, so you may want to still rock some drakebreaker pieces if u want more crit

[wooden grove]

Don’t waste honor on upgrades until you have both crafted pieces because your excess honor can buy chests from the honor vendor to speed up your primal farming

[steep cairn]

Only have one ring and the two trinkets that aren’t conquest/trophy. What’s the best one of the three to upgrade this week for arms? The crit badge?

[wooden grove]

If you run medallion it should be your last upgrade

[craggy socket]

FUCKING 400 RATING DOWN

Un fucking real

[late nacelle]

Git gud

[craggy socket]

Ive litearlly tanked to 1400s from 1865

[late nacelle]

🤓

[craggy socket]

Im fucking so done

[wooden grove]

Well quit Queuing into deathbolt

[craggy socket]

arms warrior is just dog shit

[late nacelle]

Its good tho

[feral heath]

so what are you removing in favor of getting skullsplitter bleed build?

[craggy socket]

I fucking hate this fucking game

[late nacelle]

His winrate

[elfin surge]

@craggy socket

[craggy socket]

Ive never been so mad

im gonna go beat my wife

How the fuck do I win 1-6 at 1550

When i was literally almost 1900

it doesnt fucking make sense

[late nacelle]

Try funneling that into your arena opponents

2400 instantly

[mystic barn]

you probably just have a mental problem

[craggy socket]

these players are playing absolutely insane at low rating

I do

[late nacelle]

I mean

[craggy socket]

and im done with this shit game

[late nacelle]

1800 is basically the same as 1400

Even 2k is probs almost the same

[coral axle]

being tired, tilted, or drunk is the best way to lose rating

[late nacelle]

3 beers

[elfin surge]

[late nacelle]

Sweet spot for winning

[coral axle]

its why tryhards make a second warrior to go lose rating on instead

[craggy socket]

Im so tilted its beyond fixable

even took a 4 day break still play like shit

[coral axle]

just uninstall now man, tell me u got the month by month sub

[grand scaffold]

yall gotta cut losses

i stop at 100 cr lost

[late nacelle]

Just dont care about rating

Focus on improve

[craggy socket]

Its hard to not care when thats the only thing

[late nacelle]

The rating will come naturally

[craggy socket]

literally friends of mine instant 2k on multiple specs

[late nacelle]

Rating is just an arbitrary number

[coral axle]

yeah idc about losing rating at all, it just means im gonna be vs worse players and get to pop off harder

[late nacelle]

Focus improve

[coral axle]

1500 games are a joke

[elfin surge]

charge phone

[craggy socket]

Report me you nark I dont give a give

[wispy cedar]

I don’t need a battery

[low cobalt]

oh wtf why do they have it then....

[coral axle]

pve baby!

[steep cairn]

Pve andys

[low cobalt]

😂

[elfin surge]

you are... "low"

[coral axle]

you can get full 408 with pvp gear thanks to the honor upgrades

[wispy cedar]

[coral axle]

not a bad start

[low cobalt]

well thanks i didn't know that...thats dum and awkward

[coral axle]

yeah I think it was different in shadowlands

[low cobalt]

it was

[coral axle]

bait to you idiots who actually played that xpack

[late nacelle]

U can get geared enough to run hc raids

Pog

[coral axle]

no way you need 408 for heroic raids do you? I was healing them at 395

[late nacelle]

I mean

[coral axle]

maybe I was just trolling tho

[late nacelle]

If u pug?

Probably

[coral axle]

word

[late nacelle]

U can probs do mythic on 380 in guild

[coral axle]

yeah not my guild

they gonna be lucky to get aotc in the next two months

[late nacelle]

Lol

Hc raids are so easy its embarrassing

If u gonna pve if its not mythic why bother

[barren vale]

I dropped to 1500 from 1850 on Frost DK and I'm at 1960 now. You have bad streaks some days. Take a breath, queue something else, and you'll be fine.

[late nacelle]

Just

[barren vale]

All in a span of 3 days btw

[late nacelle]

Stop caring about rating

Only thing that matters is improving

Rating comes as a side effect

[coral axle]

that is the only real winner mindset

[steel trout]

ye i dont really care about it

i just play for fun, sometimes play like shit and bad lobbies and it happens 🤷‍♂️

[grand scaffold]

yeah i get that

[barren vale]

This is a bit reductive. Heroic is really challenging for many people. I like my group and a lot of them struggle in heroic. I usually parse well and am near top dps every tier with them, so I could do mythic if I wanted to put the time in. But don't belittle others' achievements just because you're on a different skill level.

[elfin surge]

pvp rating is everything

[coral axle]

wow you talk like ur high rated or something

[elfin surge]

i just got my first 2k solo shuffle as dh kind of a big deal

[coral axle]

ah shit my bad yeah alright

[elfin surge]

ask anyone from goldshire

they will tell u how good i am

ïłłîdäñgødx

[late nacelle]

I think its mainly a difference in time investment, but srsly hc is easy as shit. Only raid logging, without prior raiding xp? Sure its gonna take a while

[barren vale]

"My personality is 2.3k xp" starter pack

[cinder thorn]

2k as DH is like 0.3k rating warrior

[steel trout]

wait u guys dont associate ur self worth to ur cr?

[cinder thorn]

That shows that you can press w on DH

[coral axle]

isnt there like 4+ months until the next raid? I feel like heroic is gonna get easy for everybody by then

[late nacelle]

Top 500 guild or dog

[steel trout]

when u making dh guide? very impressive cr

[barren vale]

This is really going to depend on your individual skill level. Heroic isn't easy for most people. It's why AOTC means something.

[elfin surge]

my pvp rating is my entire life

[late nacelle]

Trust me aotc means nothing

Lol

[cinder thorn]

Wtf you impressed with 2k cr as DH 😂

[barren vale]

If someone is proud of their achievement why roast them because you're in a WF guild

Like that's just so douchey

Have some class

[elfin surge]

thats pretty high rated tho

[steel trout]

get 2k cr as dh before u speak please...

[cinder thorn]

Dude why you talking pve shit in pvp chat

[nimble jasper]

tbh fury isnt much harder

than dh

and you’re severely delusional if you think otherwise

[barren vale]

He brought up Heroic being "easy as shit". It's the principle. Is someone being 2000 rating terrible?

[elfin surge]

i wouldve been 2100 on my dh if it werent for the solo shuffle boosters

[cinder thorn]

Mythic pve is still scripted shit

[full quiver]

MUD IS RANK 1 PROT WARRIOR IN SHUFFLE AT 3500

[nimble jasper]

so is playing low rated arena

[graceful quarry]

and pvp isnt?

[cinder thorn]

Dude all pve is scripted shit

[full quiver]

HE'S JOKING ABOUT DH

[late nacelle]

I mean sure, if someone is proud over having cooked scrambled eggs good for them. But do not claim its hard to do xd

[cinder thorn]

So what if someone can do mythic, it just means they can dance well

[wispy cedar]

DH is a set up class now. the paradigm has shifted

[nimble jasper]

arena at low ratings is also scripted

sometimes you get real shit players

who insta feed

and die for it

[cinder thorn]

Pvp is for real men, pve is for pussies

[nimble jasper]

its weird

theres moments you know someone is gonna trinket if they have 1 braincell

[barren vale]

Y'all have some freezing cold takes. Just gatekeeping random shit to feel like your personal value is higher.

[nimble jasper]

also uhh

[graceful quarry]

pet battles > all of your silly minigames

[nimble jasper]

bad healers

and instant trinketing blinds

name a more iconic duo

[late nacelle]

Best part is i dont even raid

[barren vale]

Just chill out. Let people enjoy things. It's not a personal attack on you because someone else is proud to be 2k or get AOTC

[graceful quarry]

okay but saying something isn't hard isn't telling ppl they can't enjoy it

[late nacelle]

No it isn't but it's factually incorrect to claim easy content is difficult content

It's like saying 1400 rating is high rating

[barren vale]

Getting duelist is easy to a top 1% player

[coral axle]

im being dead serious here, my mom is 65 years old and has gotten AOTC the last 8 raids or so

[cinder thorn]

😂😂😂

You actually made me laugh

[barren vale]

That doesn't mean it is easy at all to an average player

[nimble jasper]

unironically playing fury in pvp

is basically pve

[barren vale]

That's such an unbelievably tonedeaf take lol

[graceful quarry]

not wrong

[barren vale]

Like you have to be a troll

[flat tide]

Heroic easy if you have 10 fingies

[nimble jasper]

meleecleaves in general

[cinder thorn]

Pet funking battles I haven't even loaded a pet battle 😂

It's too intimidating for me, I don't think I can ever achieve that level of skill

[nimble jasper]

2k and below you just win

doing big dam

yet people overcomplicate it

[barren vale]

No sentient person can not get that to be really good at something means you're well above average.

[late nacelle]

Its all about time investment

[cinder thorn]

Shh wise gnome is speaking

[late nacelle]

The average player could easily raid in a world first guild with enough investment

[cinder thorn]

Dis man speak da twooth

[late nacelle]

Probably tops 10% of players are actually too dumb to do it. Rest can with varying levels of investment

[flat tide]

Do respect their hustle though, they put ungodly amounts of hours into pve

[nimble jasper]

unless some retwarr players

[cinder thorn]

Very much like RBG tbh

[nimble jasper]

want to tell me how difficult it was for them

to stormbolt one guy

and hoj the other

[cinder thorn]

Shh that takes coordination skills

[nimble jasper]

then press their 2min cds

[cinder thorn]

Don't beat on the retwar

Retwar is only for brave men with big balls

[nimble jasper]

micropenis andies

[cinder thorn]

Youth just jealous

[nimble jasper]

retwar same idiotproof

as sl rmp

[graceful quarry]

idk man

[nimble jasper]

321

cc

[graceful quarry]

i played ret war

and I'm neither a brave man nor have big balls

so i gotta agree with Mich here

[cinder thorn]

So what you saying rogue mage is harder?

[nimble jasper]

no they’re both for crayon eaters

[barren vale]

Like you can't argue that it takes hundreds of hours of practice and dedication to reach a certain level and also argue someone sucks if they can't do it

The time investment is a direct indication that it isn't east

[late nacelle]

Idk

[nimble jasper]

the hardest part about rogue mage is mage has a higher learning curve to get into

[barren vale]

And that goes for glad or mythic raiding

[cinder thorn]

Are you still on about pve?

Stand behind pillar, pull mobs, aoe gg

[nimble jasper]

for most players

[barren vale]

Please stop talking. You're contributing nothing.

[late nacelle]

I'd say if its something that 99% of people cant so no matter what then its skill

[cinder thorn]

Dude seriously I only check pvp channel on discord servers for a reason

Not interested in pve, don't bring that shit in here

[late nacelle]

If its something 90% of people can do with dedication then its literally just time

[barren vale]

It's all skill

[flat tide]

Hello Obi-Wan ahahshshdhydhs

[graceful quarry]

warrior pvp is basically pve

[flat tide]

Me when I war in the stars ayo ✨️

[barren vale]

Putting in the time and improving is part of developing the skill

[nimble jasper]

you literally pillar vs wizard teams on their cds too

unless you’re the type of warrior to be in the open while splay has all their cds going

[cinder thorn]

No, you're contributing nothing to pvp channel

Talk pvp or out

[nimble jasper]

then wall

[barren vale]

Like you don't reach 2.4 without being good

[late nacelle]

I mean u say that

[flat tide]

I didn't know obiean was a confederate general

[graceful quarry]

demon hunters would disagree with you

[late nacelle]

But then u should play in 2.4k and see the players there

[barren vale]

There are people above 2.4 you know

[late nacelle]

Its mostly just a grind

[steel trout]

good is subjective

[nimble jasper]

shuffle inflates things

[late nacelle]

Pvp and pve

Solo shuff at least

[barren vale]

So that isn't obviously the pinnacle

[turbid ember]

PVE is static, PVP is dynamic. Therefore PVP is harder imo

[nimble jasper]

theres a high level of irony from people calling dh the most oogabooga specw

[barren vale]

But it is a benchmark. You've got fewer than 5% of people reaching 2.4 I would guess

[cinder thorn]

Obiwannabe, thank you for visiting pvp chat

[nimble jasper]

while being fury onetricks

[late nacelle]

Its something less than 1%

Duelist is like 3%

[barren vale]

You're harassing at this point. Please stop talking to me.

[turbid ember]

Ah, Riven trolling.

[barren vale]

Then there you go.

[turbid ember]

Carry on

[late nacelle]

But its just time investment

[barren vale]

You can't just say the top 1% isn't good at the game

[late nacelle]

Ofc you can

[nimble jasper]

experience is relative

[barren vale]

You don't just play 2000 hours and magically make glad

[late nacelle]

I mean

Yes

[nimble jasper]

I think most heroic raiders and low end mythic guilds

[late nacelle]

Yes you do

[nimble jasper]

are not good

[barren vale]

You have to actually dedicate that time to improving

[nimble jasper]

subjective

[grand scaffold]

ive played warrior for around 125 days worth of hours

[meager mauve]

is there a macro for wrecking throw / shattering throw? getting sick of swapping the buttons on my actionbar

[barren vale]

Like you sit in the top 1% and say everyone else is shit because they are below you and that is just unbelievably ignorant.

[nimble jasper]

everything is relative

[late nacelle]

So imo saying something that takes 100 hours to achieve is easy compared to something that takes 1000 hours is not really mean just factual

[barren vale]

I'm not trolling. The dude is screeching at me and isn't even part of the conversation.

[turbid ember]

But 99% are below you

[barren vale]

That doesn't mean that's where the line is lol

[nimble jasper]

i think the dhs who i killed in opener at 2.4 are terrible at the game

[late nacelle]

Never said anyone was shit tho, just said hc was easy

[steel trout]

good is subjective

[late nacelle]

Which it is

You're the one interpreting it as me saying its shit

[graceful quarry]

the line is where calibri draws it

[barren vale]

There is an average rating. You can see a bell curve. People above 75% 80% 90%? Progressively better.

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-english-rowan-atkinson-mr-bean-english-comedians-yawning-gif-17834150

[barren vale]

Like you don't only become good at the game when you make gladiator

[cinder thorn]

Going in game this guy is boring me

[nimble jasper]

zamn hes done malding and gonna get farmed at 1600 in soylo shuffle

[barren vale]

Dawg you haven't put together a complete sentence other than banging your hands on your desk and screaming.

[nimble jasper]

BatChest

[barren vale]

Go return to monke already

[nimble jasper]

Everything is relative

[graceful quarry]

fury players ☕

[nimble jasper]

I can do heroic raid not looking at my monitor

half the pull

[cinder thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-working-busy-typing-gif-17202977

[lucid walrus]

you do though

[steel trout]

i dont think im good and ive gotten glad

[nimble jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

this is fury players

calling dh monke

btw

[barren vale]

You're in the top 1% that's obviously good

You're being disingenuous if you actually argue otherwise.

[nimble jasper]

play arms bozo

🤡

[turbid ember]

One of those spiderman should have an IV drip though

[graceful quarry]

good is completely subjective

[meager mauve]

is there a macro for wrecking throw / shattering throw? getting sick of swapping the buttons on my actionbar

[barren vale]

It's completely unreasonable to argue that the top 1% is the only group that is good at the game and that some of that top 1% isn't even good. Like do you hear yourselves?

[nimble jasper]

good is subjective

you asking if people can hear is funny

[turbid ember]

[known:shattering throw] shattering throw; wrecking throw

[late nacelle]

Probs top .3%

Is good

[barren vale]

You keep saying that but when you can see what percentile anyone falls in, you can quantify good.

[late nacelle]

Rest is pretty bad

[nimble jasper]

Like most tourney players

[spice hornet]

I did a bunch of prot warrior shuffle yday and seriously tried hard and I feel like it's just dumb lumping in one tank with everything else.

[nimble jasper]

will call one time/fotm rank 1s

bad

[barren vale]

Okay AWC teams are good and everyone else sucks

Glad we have reached the logical conclusion here

[steel trout]

thats an accurate statement

its just subjective bro...

[barren vale]

But doesn't GG suck because Pika is choker? So really just the top 4 is good, right?

[nimble jasper]

on a pro scale GG is a bad team

[lucid walrus]

baj is 3.3 and most people don’t even consider him a top warrior. savix is at least 3k xp and not often cited as great, etc

[nimble jasper]

yes

[turbid ember]

Good to me is above average. You 51st percentile, then you good

[nimble jasper]

GG has like

2 comps they can play

cuz none of them multiclass well

[barren vale]

Those people are clearly good. Savix et al.

[nimble jasper]

[barren vale]

Being a one trick doesn't mean you're bad

[nimble jasper]

on a pro level?

[steel hawk]

Riven you can't talk logically to pvp warrior monkeys, you'll never get through

[barren vale]

It means you aren't versatile sure

[nimble jasper]

it kind of does….

[steel trout]

it depends on what you compare it to

[nimble jasper]

savix is good relative to the average monkey playing ret

but hes a smol lad compared to vanguards

etc

relative

[steel trout]

in valorant id consider a player who can barely get radiant(bit easier than r1) horrible

[barren vale]

Sure among the best 15 players out of millions it makes them subpar

[steel trout]

but at the same time in wow a 3k+ exp player is good to me

it just depends what you compare it to

[wispy cedar]

we talking shadowlands s2 exp?

[barren vale]

But the fact they are in those player groups while only playing one class kind of shows they are good

[torpid roost]

If you've ever been 3k you're very good, at least assuming you weren't cheating to get there

[barren vale]

They keep getting back despite playing 2 comps

[late nacelle]

U think of good as relative to other players

[torpid roost]

Even if you're playing a megaFOTM reroll

[nimble jasper]

cant be because wow pro scene is a meme

[late nacelle]

For me good is mechanical

[nimble jasper]

nah def cant be

[steel trout]

its relative to what you compare it to

[late nacelle]

When you play correct 99,99% of the time

Thats good to me

[torpid roost]

Mmhmm

[lucid walrus]

are there even like, 50 players on AWC circuit

[late nacelle]

2.4k players will make mistakes constantly

[nimble jasper]

no

[lucid walrus]

there definitely aren’t 100

[barren vale]

There isn't a point in even discussing this lol

[steel trout]

a 2.6k exp is dogshit compared to ppl who are multi r1

[late nacelle]

I wouldnt call many of them good

[steel trout]

but compare the 2.6k to average player sure hes good

[nimble jasper]

pretty sure awc doesnt pay for shit

[barren vale]

Some of y'all are literally in Narnia

[nimble jasper]

also you’re expected to play wow

mid day on a workday

which doesnt work for everyone

[late nacelle]

Ok think abouy it like this

[stiff merlin]

What enchant for weapon

[late nacelle]

If every human

On the planet

Was complete dogshit at something

Would you call the human thats best but still dogshit good?

[nimble jasper]

why is this guy getting so pressed

over good is relative

💀

lmao

[steel trout]

yea idk why its so hard to accept

its different for everyone

[late nacelle]

Just explaining how I view it, im fine with your perspectives whatever they may be

[barren vale]

He just wants to perpetuate that anything not in the top .3% is not good

[steel trout]

good for a multi r1 is severly different from what a 2k player thinks is good

[barren vale]

It's so ridiculous that it has to be trolling.

[nimble jasper]

good

[late nacelle]

I assure you its not

[nimble jasper]

is relative

how are you this dense

[barren vale]

Good is very clearly a colloquialism for comfortably above average. You don't have to be a literal professional at the thing to be good in the context of the game's entire population

[lucid walrus]

nah

[barren vale]

You can qualify good within subsets like a good glad player or a good pro player or a bad pro player

[steel trout]

if u use this logic

ppl who are 2k are good

[barren vale]

People who are 2k are good

[lucid walrus]

anyone better than me is a neckbeard sweatlord and anyone worse is an awful primate who should uninstall

[steel trout]

but the difference between a 2k player and a r1 is bigger than ppl who are 2k and hardstuck 1k rating

for you maybe its good

but for someone who are r1 its shit

[barren vale]

Sure. Someone who plays collegiate baseball is closer to a high school freshman than a MLB player

It doesn't mean they aren't good at their sport to have gotten there

[steel trout]

its just relative :- )

[barren vale]

You don't have to be a literal professional to be good just because there are outliers in the .1%

[late nacelle]

I just think good needs to be able to be defined by objectively measurable things for it to have any meaning

[steel trout]

if u want to compare to the average human

sure rival is good

[barren vale]

You say it's relative but it's really just some backwards gaslighting to give yourself carte blanche to say anyone worse than you is shit

[late nacelle]

Outside of practitioners of that thing

[steel trout]

thats a big assumption

[late nacelle]

So things specific to the thing

[barren vale]

You can see who is above average. There is a bell curve distribution. It isn't subjective.

[steel trout]

i dont think 2k is good = i want to call ppl who are 2k shit?

[wispy cedar]

yes

[barren vale]

That's what everyone else is doing in this channel

[late nacelle]

Apparently

[lucid walrus]

“good” is subjective because the average cr across subscribed accounts is pretty hilarious. 60th percentile is probably like 15/1600

[neat minnow]

smh this is a nerd convo

[late nacelle]

Say ur job is to throw 10 balls into a circle

Good is u land all 10

If average guy hits 5 and u 6 ur still not good

Good is based on the 10 circles not what the average guy does

[barren vale]

It's an arbitrary elitist gatekeeping convo to perpetuate delusions.

Clown fiesta.

[graceful quarry]

so, if the avg cr is 1500 the 1501 player is objectively good and the 1499 player isn't. am i getting this right?

[wispy cedar]

yes

[nimble jasper]

irony

[barren vale]

No they're average. You could use standard deviations if you want.

[wispy cedar]

I miss bruin

these new guys aren’t as consistent

[nimble jasper]

This guy really getting pressed because you called his heroic raiding guild not good.

[graceful quarry]

but 1501 is above average if the average is 1500

[nimble jasper]

lmao

[graceful quarry]

how can you say the guy isnt good

[steel trout]

there is so many levels to arena/whatever u wanna compare its just hard to just say above average = good

[barren vale]

ITT people who are arguing straw men and don't understand statistics

[steel trout]

i study statistics in uni 💀

[nimble jasper]

@late nacelle What did you do

[graceful quarry]

i mean, statistically that dude would be above average

[nimble jasper]

this guy doesnt know what an opinion is

[graceful quarry]

anyways

[barren vale]

Then that's even more impressive

[late nacelle]

Huh

[steel trout]

there are so many levels to it

[graceful quarry]

"if I don't like your argument it's a strawman"

[nimble jasper]

hes still going on

prob cuz you said heroic raid is easy

[late nacelle]

Riven?

[nimble jasper]

which it is

[steel trout]

its just relative to what you compare it to

[elfin surge]

wtf u guys going on about rn

[steep inlet]

is there someone on Kazzak EU here ?

[steel trout]

talking about what is considered good

[late nacelle]

Mud

[barren vale]

Nah if you take an argument deliberately out of context to try and make it seem illegitimate, that's a strawman.

[turbid ember]

I think PVP philosophy

[late nacelle]

U have to throw rocks into 10 circles

If u land all 10 thats good

[graceful quarry]

but I am just arguing that someone who is statiatically better than the average is good, is that not your point?

[late nacelle]

If average guy lands 5 but u 6

[barren vale]

Look at monke caveman over here still talking about throwing rocks. Just go invent the wheel already Jesus Christ.

[late nacelle]

Thats still not good

[graceful quarry]

how far does someone have to be above the average to be considered good by you @barren vale

[nimble jasper]

He wants you to say 1600 players are good

[barren vale]

Probably a standard deviation.

[graceful quarry]

okay, why?

[barren vale]

Or 2, idk. 80th percentile? 75th?

[elfin surge]

im 2k in solo shuffle on dh am i good

[late nacelle]

Why u gotta be rude about it? I have not

[barren vale]

Solidly above average. Like the line is very clearly not 50.1%. You're not being intellectually honest if you think that's what I'm arguing for.

[turbid ember]

That's not a straw man. A strawman is making up a fictional type of person and arguing against this made up person's arguments

[barren vale]

The line is also not top .3%

[graceful quarry]

why wouls someone in the 75th percentile be considered good by you

[lucid walrus]

1680 2s is top 86 14%

[graceful quarry]

and not, the 70th i.e.

seems kind of arbitrary

[elfin surge]

i can answer this debate

[late nacelle]

If .3% means u hit all 10 rocks then yes .3% is the line

[barren vale]

That 86% will move as rating inflates

But yeah I'd say 1680 in 2s right now is good

[elfin surge]

anyone higher than you is considered good to you. simple.

[steel trout]

its just relative

[neat minnow]

anyone higher than me is a dweeb that needs to touch grass

and im still better

[turbid ember]

Yeah, I'm just in ELO hell

[elfin surge]

true and also real at the same time

[nimble jasper]

personally i think these stats are flawed

and some people barely q

[barren vale]

Because I'm comparing them to the average player at 50%.

[graceful quarry]

okay, then why not the 60th percentile

why arbitrarily select 75th

[barren vale]

60th is above average too

[turbid ember]

51st percentile

[late nacelle]

If avg guy doesnt know 1+1=2 does that mean guy who knows 1+1=2 is good?

[steel trout]

yes but u have to realize that there are levels to it

[late nacelle]

No it means average guy is shit

[scenic maple]

Average guy better than the below average guy

[elfin surge]

average rating should be taken from people who regularly pvp.

[flat dome]

What the hell is going on lol

[barren vale]

This would be a good solution.

[turbid ember]

Normies matter

[barren vale]

A good statistical sample removes outliers or unreliable data points

[elfin surge]

[barren vale]

Such as data derived from small samples, i.e. people that don't play consistently.

[neat minnow]

fixed*

[barren vale]

Which is likely to remove lower rated players from the pool and make the "good" rating higher.

[nimble jasper]

Likely

[elfin surge]

same

[nimble jasper]

you mean will

[clear pine]

so we just dont play solo shuffle till 10.0.5?? arms fucking sucks against everything

[barren vale]

I'm sure some high rated players have real small samples also

[clear pine]

we only good when enemy healer sleeps and we are crit lucky

[elfin surge]

arms shuffles arent that bad

[barren vale]

Like Ven broken 2400 in 1 day of shuffle queues

On fire mage

[nimble jasper]

ven

ahahhahaa

[tribal nimbus]

What is this website

[barren vale]

It was just an example of a character with a small sample

[nimble jasper]

did he actually do that someone linked me footage

[neat minnow]

iunno

[barren vale]

But high rating

[nimble jasper]

of him dying every round

or was it xarbad

idk

[neat minnow]

It took me till now to realize this was #pvp and not #protection

[barren vale]

It was on stream yesterday or Monday

[nimble jasper]

venruki another example tbh

[flat dome]

Arms shuffles aren't bad as long as you don't get focused

[nimble jasper]

to average player hes good but hes severely washed

as far as pros go

[barren vale]

Sure

But he's still good

[elfin surge]

i believe ven got 2400 in one day

shuffle rating goes up fast

same with mmr

[nimble jasper]

yeah

if a dh can get 2.4 playing adapt

in shuffle

[steel trout]

and down

[barren vale]

Like we could set up a data set to reliably quantify good. It isn't someone within 5% of being average and it isn't the top 1% either

[nimble jasper]

idk why anyone would watch shuffle gameplay

except to watch metaphors mald

thats always good conten

[barren vale]

My argument was never whether being good was 65% or 85% it was that it is not .3%

[flat dome]

Cause watching the same comp gets old

[barren vale]

There is probably wiggle room below that. Players are able to be good in spite of people being better than them

Likewise, there can be a player worse than you who is good

Or call it above average, significantly above average, and statistical outlier if you want

[flat dome]

I mean, does any of this really matter

[barren vale]

According to the Google search I just did, above 75% is above average

In statistics communities

[steel trout]

is above average synonymous with good?

[barren vale]

No, but I felt it was worth making a point on principle to the person saying anyone not top 1% is actual shit.

[steel trout]

if i speak from an valorant perspective, a immortal player is top 1.2 %, but they lack so many fundamental skills its hard to call them good

[wispy cedar]

so mythic raiding is good and heroic raiding is average

[barren vale]

Because that is most of this channel and people are all at different levels and should be able to be proud of challenging achievements.

[steel trout]

this has nothing to do with being proud of ur achievements

if you are proud of getting 1k im happy for u

[flat dome]

This games pvp is a meme amongst competitive esports. So I don't really understand the dick comparisons

[nimble jasper]

yeah dh dk lock spriest

is most of shuffle

with rdruid and prevoker

[barren vale]

Getting to a place that the "average" player cannot shouldn't be derided as "still trash, don't care" though is my point

[steel trout]

if u shit on someone for being happy of an achievement thats a personality issue

[barren vale]

It's just a shitty attitude to treat people with and shows a lack of basic respect

[steel trout]

nothing to do with what u consider good

[barren vale]

In the context gnome boy was doing it, it did directly have to do with what is good or not

[flat dome]

Have you seen how people act?

Social ineptitude is rampant

[steel trout]

so then hes a dickhead

[barren vale]

And they should be told they're being a trash person for it

[nimble jasper]

I dont think rival is good

wont flame people for it

but if you bring up a dumb opinion based on limited experience

[steel trout]

i was very happy when i got my first glad, but i still think im dogshit

because in comparison to the top players i am infact dogshit

[barren vale]

You're very clearly not though

[nimble jasper]

most of us suck compared to mud for example

[steel trout]

relative to mud for example

i am

[nimble jasper]

on a relative scale

[late nacelle]

I never said anyone was bad and stop saying i did

I said hc is easy

Which it is

[mystic barn]

guess im a dork

[flat dome]

But most are better than vast majority of WoW population

[mystic barn]

what site

[barren vale]

Easy for you and not the average person. Implying anyone that struggles to do the easy thing is not good. But I'm not doing this circular shit again lmao.

[late nacelle]

Thats your words

Not mine

[steel trout]

its like me getting upset that lebron thinks dunking is easy

[barren vale]

It is a reasonable inference by what you said, your tone, and your comments afterwards.

[late nacelle]

I talked about time investment mainly

[steel trout]

people have different skillsets

[barren vale]

You're an elitist, just admit that at least right?

[late nacelle]

Not doing the time != bad

Im really not

Its just logic

[lucid walrus]

luduslabs

[graceful quarry]

you don't have to be an elitist to know that compared to top players you aren't good

[lucid walrus]

also not my cr

[barren vale]

A gatekeeper at best.

[graceful quarry]

what is being gatekept? an arbitrary description?

[mystic barn]

if shuffle gets its own top % title 2s should get one too

ez

[barren vale]

He's acting like he has this altruistic view but he really doesn't. He doesn't have to say someone is bad explicitly for you to see that is what he is saying. Look at all his comments about being "dogshit".

[lucid walrus]

matchmaker [name]

dualist [name]

[mystic barn]

crimson duoist

LMAO

[wispy cedar]

im qcp and i love 2s

[lucid walrus]

crimson 2s hero

[steel trout]

are you talking about me now?

[mystic barn]

2s are fun

[barren vale]

No

[mystic barn]

i have fought more rank 1s this season than any in sl

[full quiver]

[wispy cedar]

it brings me great joy watching karma in 3s

[full quiver]

yeah it'd be sick to see dno and whatever melee dps he queues with get the title every season!

[lucid walrus]

linking shuffle xp to join a group should result in a permaban to your account tbh. no appeal process

[barren vale]

Is current season shuffle not the most recent xp someone could have in arena if they haven't done 2s or 3s?

Like, I don't think it tells you nothing even if not a 1:1 to structured arena.

[nimble jasper]

shuffle is a giant meme

even less relevant than exp in 2s

[flat dome]

Wow pvp is a meme

[mystic barn]

shuffle xp =/= xp

[gaunt scaffold]

aside from the weapon should i be using my conq on off pieces and rolling dice on vault?

[mystic barn]

if anyone applies with shuffle xp it has to be a joke

[lucid walrus]

it's recent, but it doesn't necessarily speak to skill

[late nacelle]

Copium

[mystic barn]

2500 cr shuffle matches feels like 1600 3s matches

[late nacelle]

Simply how i ended up describing examples

[flat dome]

That's because more people are playing shuffle

[late nacelle]

Thought it'd resonate more with you youths

[mystic barn]

no coordination, healers dont drink (they cant in shuffle), everyone dr's random cc, no setups for gos

thats what shuffle is

[flat dome]

So it's inflated

[mystic barn]

its just send damage

[late nacelle]

Is it wrong laying forth arguments in a strategical (poor or good) fashion?

[flat dome]

Shuffle is going to kill 3s

[mystic barn]

it killed 2s the casual bracket

had 2-5min queue times for 2s the other day

when 2s has ALWAYS been instapop no matter cr for me

[thick reef]

is it worth it to rock 4 set as arms in arena or just 2?

[late nacelle]

4 set is very worth

If u use pvp pieces

[barren vale]

2s is instapop at 1200 rating

[mystic barn]

its not at 2k+

[barren vale]

I'm mostly memeing you

I only play 2s with my terrible friend when he wants honor

[late nacelle]

2s is horrible for honor

[barren vale]

And he's a devoker and I play Frost DK. It's terrible.

[mystic barn]

devoker fdk is one bang go next

entirely possible to spam 1 shot teams at that rating

[nimble jasper]

frost has a place?

thought unholy is just 10x better

[barren vale]

He isn't very good so the wins are mostly where I get a perfect go.

[mystic barn]

to setup for the devoker sure

grip blind stun devoker does its dumb damage

[barren vale]

Idk what he is doing wrong but he's hapless lol

[late nacelle]

10 rocks

[barren vale]

Seeing him against any rogue in a 1v1 is like watching a legless puppy.

[late nacelle]

You shouldnt be so harsh on your friend

He is better than x amount of players

Stop gatekeeping

[barren vale]

Ok bud

[late nacelle]

Elitist jerk !

Can you believe this guy

[barren vale]

In 2s it probably is. I don't ever play UH.

[late nacelle]

Frozen lake takes

[nimble jasper]

yeah idk

[barren vale]

In 3s Frost has a place, but really just with classes it can set up like WW/DH/Dev and maybe Ret

[nimble jasper]

could have sworn unholy is just a better spec

esp since blinding sleet isnt frost only now

[late nacelle]

Frost has bigger pp tho

[stiff merlin]

What enchant for weapon

[nimble jasper]

no 2h frost is for boomers

[stiff merlin]

Frozen devotion?

[nimble jasper]

who want to rp as arthas

[late nacelle]

Xdddd

[barren vale]

Hey man, I like the class fantasy okay

[nimble jasper]

i play warrior if i want to smack people

with large weapon

[barren vale]

I play both

[nimble jasper]

sophic

[late nacelle]

Hmm how about

U take plumber for example