pvp

[grand scaffold]

when ignore pain comes

im getting that 2.4

even if it takes 2 weeks of constantly playing

im getting 2.3

2.4*

[steel trout]

u got it

[grand scaffold]

yaaaaaah

btw what are you playing atm

[steel trout]

arms

[grand scaffold]

what cr you at

[steel trout]

i just got 2.4 and stopped soloshuffle ruins my mental

[grand scaffold]

i shouldve stopped at 2.4 tbh

2.1*

then waited

how long till ignore pain is in

[steel trout]

lowkey only did it cuz the proc trinket is good in pve

2 weeks i think

[grand scaffold]

dang

so 2 weeks of failling still

[steel trout]

i dropped haste talent for 5 % stamina in solo shuffle lol

[grand scaffold]

thoughts on this build?

ill take your ideas asap

[steel trout]

i played this most recently

[grand scaffold]

was that your solo shuffle build>

[steel trout]

yea i tried some different ones but i used that one last

[grand scaffold]

ok

bitter immunity worth it?

[steel trout]

just more heals in solo shuffle

since i die like a dog

[grand scaffold]

ok cool

also how come no honed reflexes

isnt that really good?

[steel trout]

it is good but i just took bitter instead

and i drop bitter for shatter

but idk im not the best to ask for this type of stuff

[grand scaffold]

ok

nah

you got 2.4

your advice still helpful af

do you run wrecking throw ever?

[copper hare]

my alt warrior hasnt completed a single shuffle yet without someone leaving

[steel trout]

i didnt really but its good vs shit like locks

[copper hare]

these fucking dogshit idiots

[steel trout]

just cuz im lazy to swap talents mid shuffle unless its for shatter vs palas etc

[grand scaffold]

ok i wont bother picking it

aside from locks

what if its lock with an hpal

also is piercing verdict that awesome

[steel trout]

its not needed but i just like it for big booorst

[grand scaffold]

does it make your burst that much bigger>

[steel trout]

its 50 %dam increase

[simple oak]

seems like a lot of people are moving away from crit and going haste on arms now?

[grand scaffold]

no

thats fury people going arms

[simple oak]

ah gotcha

[grand scaffold]

i envy you

[long ridge]

y

mage mad at me

he logged off

[smoky anchor]

surprisingly easy to 1v1 mages these days

as fury anyway

with root break

[wispy cedar]

ndog what are you up to in shuffle on fury

[long ridge]

mm yeah fury way better

for mage

cuz u got self heal too

[smoky anchor]

yeah

[long ridge]

i think mage should win but he just sucks

[grand scaffold]

1700

im 99x better at fury than i am arms

i got 2400 on that spec before it became op

but arms

bleh

[wispy cedar]

nice

[grand scaffold]

and im struggling as fury

i dont understand how

[spice hornet]

Fury is really bad

Really really bad

it has no real pressure, like an NPC auto attacking you

[steel trout]

exzistance streamed fury shuffle aall day today

didnt seem like he was having a great time

[spice hornet]

The burst is bad

[grand scaffold]

idk man

the fact i cant get cr as fury

is just

depressing

[steel trout]

u need ur teammates to hit same target as u

or 0 pressure

[spice hornet]

any 1 defensive in the game nullifies furys damage and it does nothing for the remaining time

[smoky anchor]

my favorite when fury avatars

disarm into stun

so sad

[long ridge]

my man

fury hits like a wet noodle

it's very pleasant like a massage

[grand scaffold]

fury in s2 sl atleast hit hard

[smoky anchor]

the burst is actually quite high during avatar / recklessness/thundering roar into another odyns fury but outside of that it's brutal

[grand scaffold]

you know what

once conquets is uncapped

conquest*

ima gear fury

and prove its playable

😂

[long ridge]

i approve, since i just got 100 pts from two furries

keep it alive so i can farm it

[smoky anchor]

i got farmed last night by this ret/dk/dh shuffle lobby

as arms

[long ridge]

mmm yeah ret/dk are super strong

dh was INCREDIBLE but now i am not scared of them

[grand scaffold]

fuck 1800 games

im out

[smoky anchor]

do you go for kills on them

now?

[long ridge]

oh fuck 5/6

yeah dude

i kill havoc all day

[grand scaffold]

you kill dh?

why

[long ridge]

YES BRO

omg

they are so soft

[smoky anchor]

idk

blur

[grand scaffold]

interesting

[smoky anchor]

into that full heal thing they do

[long ridge]

just swap off during blur

[smoky anchor]

kinda brutal

[long ridge]

glimpse

darkness

etc, just swap off and come back

[smoky anchor]

hmm

[long ridge]

they got nerfed bro

their self healing and glimpse went from 75% dmg reduction to 35 LOL

[smoky anchor]

so you would go for dh if it was dk/ret as their partner?

[long ridge]

yeah i hate DK

i can't kill unholy for shit

[smoky anchor]

ah we were sitting on dk and just couldn't land a kill

[long ridge]

that's me though curious what u guys normally do

nah havoc way softer imo...

[smoky anchor]

also tried to kill ret but ret would do so much damage before he went down

[grand scaffold]

nah

[long ridge]

oh ur saying they went 3 dps?

[grand scaffold]

sit dk

[smoky anchor]

no i mean in a lobby

[long ridge]

oh

[grand scaffold]

dk drops like a sack of potatoes

[smoky anchor]

me/dh/dk/ret

[long ridge]

idk this guy says dk over dh

[smoky anchor]

i usually have an easy time killing dks but the ones i've been running into lately have been a lot better

haven't been able to drop them

especially when i have a caster teammate

and they ams for like 5812394123k

[long ridge]

if it's double melee

i like to go healer so i can cleave all 3 w/ my teammate

[smoky anchor]

hmm

[thick cove]

hi guys

[long ridge]

u should try it some time

hi layla

[smoky anchor]

that's not a bad idea

i might try that

[long ridge]

give it a go

[thick cove]

im about to start my solo shuffle journey I am a degen m+ prot warrior who just swapped to arms and is ready to do pvp!

[long ridge]

cool

go for it

[thick cove]

ive been collecting gear from the weekly quests, but will that suffice?

or do I need the pvp spark gear too?

most of my gear is 421, but I dont have embellished gear for pvp

[long ridge]

u can play w/ 411 and 421

[grand scaffold]

bam

[smoky anchor]

spark gear is great because the lowest rank craft goes up to 424

[thick cove]

yeah i know XD

but i used all of my sparks on pve gear

[smoky anchor]

oh

[thick cove]

because I push m+'s

[long ridge]

i thought there was 2 types of sparks

[thick cove]

nope 😦

[long ridge]

or whatever

[thick cove]

same spark for both pve/pvp

[long ridge]

or is that element

[smoky anchor]

just get the world pvp stuff, honor gear, and conquest gear

[thick cove]

i think its elements

is there a good guide that shows how to actually PVP as arms? that way I can make my binds optimal from the start as I've nevber played arms before

[long ridge]

yeah just get what u can, arms uses crit/vers

[thick cove]

okie

[grand scaffold]

yo

best advice

duel the shit out of people

[long ridge]

yeah watch laros

stream

[thick cove]

okay 🙂 duels and laros

[long ridge]

and bajeera or w/e videos

[steel trout]

exzistance good streamer to watch too

[thick cove]

okay thanks!

[long ridge]

youtube he goes over build

[grand scaffold]

duels are very important because you CANNOT be carried

you may find a helpful player that will teach you

or they might be a piece of shit and call you trash

either way its the best way of learning a class

[long ridge]

imo not hard to learn arms

[smoky anchor]

you could also do shuffles

[long ridge]

harder to learn just general pvp awareness

[thick cove]

shuffle is the only thing im interested in 😛

im not trying to do pre-made 3's or 2's

at least not for a very long time

[steel trout]

if u wanna be efficient with learning recording ur games is a very good way to learn from

[long ridge]

just be prepared for long ass queues

people can target u as arms also

[thick cove]

how long are the queues, people keep saying long queues

[long ridge]

since ur starting from scratch, consider an alt will be at same gear level as you

you could play something new that might be more fun or stronger

dps queue is like 20-40 minutes, healer queue is 3 minutes

[thick cove]

i have been playing a resto druid, but im hard stuck at 2200

[long ridge]

oh so you have good pvp awareness

[thick cove]

im 2177 atm

[long ridge]

arms is not hard

[thick cove]

yeah i do, i just play prot warrior for pve and i am bored

[grand scaffold]

trust me man

[thick cove]

but those queues 😮

[grand scaffold]

3's with friends

its a blast

[long ridge]

yeah 3s on disc

arms is not bad in 3s also

I think for arms 3s>shuffle>2s in terms of performance

[grand scaffold]

i dont disc

talking to 2 people

is hard

1 person i can manage

[long ridge]

it is?

are you mentally disabled or

[thick cove]

see... my other option in my mind was to reroll to a disc priest and play solo shuffle*

i feel like disc > resto for solo shuffle

[long ridge]

disc is really strong in 2s also

[steel trout]

rdruid for sure better than disc

[long ridge]

mmm for solo shuffle i think rdruid

[steel trout]

in any bracket

[long ridge]

yeah rdruid is really strong in 2s and 3s also...

disc is really good 2s though

if u get an ass rogue or something bro you're set

[thick cove]

idk for solo shuffle, disc priests seem so insane lol. i looked at the drustvar stats. although they are a very small sample size.. disc priests have the highest winrate for healers

[long ridge]

alright

[thick cove]

i think i just am a hard stuck 2200 noob >.<

[long ridge]

i'm surprised i thought it'd be rdruid prevoker disc shaman pal or something

[thick cove]

no matter what I play lol

[long ridge]

2200 isn't bad

[steel trout]

rdruid rly rly good rn

[long ridge]

yo play w/ an unholy dk in 2s

[steel trout]

rdruid evoker in their own tier

[long ridge]

you'll get 2400 ez

[thick cove]

rshaman and disc priuest have the highest rwin rates for solo shuffle (again its a small sample size) idk how they get their stats

[steel trout]

no

2400 in 2s

is infinite harder than 2400 solo shuffle on any class

even if u play uh rdruid in 2s

atleast right now

[long ridge]

oh

[steel trout]

soloshuffle is inflated asf

[long ridge]

thing about solo as a healer is fkhfnklnghglkshlkgjshglksnvlksdhglkndglk

[steel trout]

ye its a bit fucked for healers

[thick cove]

is there any way in this world they do something to solo shuffle to allow 6 dps to queue up? how do they plan on fixing the long queues

idk what they can do, or how they can do it. but find a way to make 6 dps queue work

[steel trout]

they just have to incentives playing healer

[thick cove]

ill tell you one way to incentivize us.. when we go 3-3 ... and the other healers mmr is lower, dont let us lose points. infact count 3-3 as a 4-2 for dps

[steel trout]

they did say they are looking at it but they said past 10.0.5 so who knows

how long that could be

[thick cove]

because right now, going 3-3 in most of my games is terrible, usually one dps goes 0-6, all of the other dps go 4-2

[steel trout]

could be months

[copper hare]

I think that's just an awful option

[mild thunder]

Yea I’d love to be an arms warrior against all hybrids and shit like dk, dh with no healer

That sounds so fun

[torpid roost]

Well it would make optimal use of our mortal strike capacity

[mild thunder]

You’d also die in the opener every single game

[torpid roost]

Optimal pvp

[velvet grail]

how do so many get elite sets already? Arent they locked behind full conquest gear and then full upgrade with honor according to rating ? ( im new to pvp)

[torpid roost]

Just rating I think

[abstract jacinth]

just 1800

[velvet grail]

ahaa

[torpid roost]

Oh really? I thought they were 2400

[dapper cypress]

"JUST"

[torpid roost]

1800 is attainable for most anyone

[abstract jacinth]

just 1800 compared to the weapons that are much higher yeah

[torpid roost]

Unless you're like, a paraplegic or high on chromosomes

[velvet grail]

Whats easiest to gain rating in shuffles with ? Arms or Fury... I know fury inside out, but arms ive never touched more then a key or two

[torpid roost]

Easier? Fury from 0-1600ish I'd say

Arms is much better though

[mystic barn]

1800 is armor, 2100 for illusion and cape iirc, 2400 for weapon mogs, particle effects (broken rn) and tabard and title, gladiator for mount from 3v3

[torpid roost]

Oh, so it is 2400

[mystic barn]

shuffle very easy to get everything but mount from

[velvet grail]

Shuffle just takes ages huh ? jeesus 2 fights in 1 hour

[mystic barn]

takes even longer

was wfh and some queues can last 2-4 hours

then someone declines

suffering from success / lack of healers

[lavish heron]

reckon arms buff in 10.0.5 is worth running warrior again?

[velvet grail]

yikes

[hard hound]

opportunist player who play only op class

[lavish heron]

not really

play tank and fury

[pure hornet]

I was thinking of playing heal just for insta q times

[lavish heron]

but sure opportunistic

[crude bane]

solo is meta abuser this season , and a lot of new healer player

0 communication so you have to be aware and make your own setup

i find it so much harder than 2s

[sage raptor]

Or over 35

[hard hound]

if you run good wa its fine

who tell whenever someone is cc or things like that

[torpid roost]

y'all must be aging like shit

[violet fossil]

We all are

[grand scaffold]

back past 1950

thank GOd

God*

[crimson onyx]

What's the strongest 3v3 comps as warr currently?
War/Ret + TSG?

[high star]

id imagine tsg is pretty S tier with DK being so good rn

[crimson onyx]

Yeah it should be really solid

[lone wharf]

For wep enchants on fury are ya running sophic devotion or frozen devotion?

[wheat jay]

Everything with ret or feral

So warr/ret or kittye

[mild thunder]

Or uhdk

[wheat jay]

Why have dk when ferals exist

[torpid roost]

Necrotic, grips

[mystic barn]

Tsg feels mediocre for the dk when they can just do dhdk the much better comp

[mystic barn]

do retwar

[torpid roost]

Vs cyclone and offheals, which are also great and all

[wheat jay]

Who gives a shit about necrotic and grips when you have spear and ret oneshots

Or dh consistent dmg when feral outdmgs them by x2 on dot cleave

[crimson onyx]

Nice!

[wheat jay]

Arms is also going back to their s2 shadowlands role

[mystic barn]

arms dies too fast for dk to keep up unfort

and gas pedaling healers all game gets stale

[pure hornet]

Guyz. Cand i know? How people get walking mountain 2 pieces and never do raids

And m plus

[dapper cypress]

Guys why is unhinged so good? Just realized that bladestorm is not in our burst

[pure hornet]

I didnt get from vaul

Is it luky drops??

[stoic tide]

https://youtu.be/ZPeM9q4mAZo Truth about toxic guy rofl, he gets whats he deserves:)

[mystic barn]

Vault, any slot can drop it including pvp

[wheat jay]

Yes

Its lucky vault

[mystic barn]

elite pvp tier piece slaps in Pve

[crude bane]

just focus healer until 2K1

i swear

they all trash af

[robust hamlet]

solo shuffle so frustrating sometimes

[mystic barn]

enjoy going 3-3 max every game

[crude bane]

ty at least ill climb

not even trying to setup something and get 2-4

secure the +20

[amber harness]

with thunder, do both holy pal and mistweaver suck as healers?

representation of both is very low on high rating

[mystic barn]

play with rdruid

[wheat jay]

Or evoker

[nimble jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-skill-issue-gif-21867945

I’ve gone 5-1,6-0 going dps alot idk

dhs and wws are giga easy kills

[crude bane]

im mplaying WW rn

everyone is tunneling me

[nimble jasper]

yeah its easy to kill someone as ww

as well

[crude bane]

yeah so i let my partner all cd at start

than ppl use all defensive trinket

and try to kill some1

after

[nimble jasper]

altho i get +70 when i go 5-1

idk

[crude bane]

rate unchanged for a 4-2

lost 160 MMR after 1-5

pressed alt F4

[nimble jasper]

you by second sweep

win

its easy

idk means you’re playing at low mmr

win more if you want higher mmr

quit crying so much

[crude bane]

i was the higher CR in lobby

a lost tons

[nimble jasper]

idc about cr

your mmr was low

[crude bane]

also evoker was 1K9 MMR °0 game played

[flat dome]

Feels bad getting matched with someone that is 0 cr

[nimble jasper]

whats unique about this

my first games of the season were 1980mmr

[crude bane]

this sound goofy

[nimble jasper]

you have low mmr because your winrate is bad

all there is to it

[crude bane]

yeah im 1K9

MMR

stil retarded that ppl have 1K9 MMR first game since you supposed to be 1K5 first game

[nimble jasper]

placements affect it

[copper hare]

if you go 6-0 in your first 2 games

you're at 2.4/2.5

[crude bane]

https://gyazo.com/8a53b9a41dac7e7c972adcc704972e64

[nimble jasper]

yeah

my first game of shuffle this season

was 1980 mmr

[crude bane]

its not suposed to happen

[nimble jasper]

placements

[crude bane]

wdym placement

they just enlarge MMR to find healer

[nimble jasper]

your first few games are at high and low mmrs

how well you do determines your starting mmr

[crude bane]

my first game was 1550

[nimble jasper]

dont think I’ve been 1500 mmr since

[crude bane]

1500

[nimble jasper]

Legion?

for my first game

[crude bane]

fresh MMR is 1500

every season

its new char so i didnt played past season

[nimble jasper]

this is untrue

[crude bane]

maybe that why

i guess

[nimble jasper]

if you did well in placements

your mmr is high

2s/3s its typically your first 10 games or so

when i win 9/10 or 10/10 of them I start a season

at 2k+ mmr

[crude bane]

yeah but how you get 1980 the first time you press solo shuffle Q

since you didnt played any of it

prepatch game ?

[nimble jasper]

idk psure someone said its based

off 3s

[crude bane]

oh rly

[nimble jasper]

dunno

[crude bane]

weird

[nimble jasper]

I have friends with alts that started at 2.2

that they havent played since legion

[mystic barn]

when I swapped to off spec I was in 2400 lobbies while 0 cr idk why

but was playing with bigvowoffdam and other r1s it was fun

one shot a warrior

the warrior left too

[nimble jasper]

yeah i got a lobby with curney

then smex

[lone wharf]

For wep enchants on fury are ya running sophic devotion or frozen devotion?

[spice hornet]

has anyone looked at or mathed out the cutoffs for r1 shuffle yet

[crude bane]

i have unlcoked a new strat to WW

i said

[spice hornet]

idk what data is returned from their API

[crude bane]

" i go suucide no matter what "

then my healer try hard

to revert my tilt

300 iq

[nimble jasper]

no you just go for a sweep onetap

then run till next

[crude bane]

i think im trying to peel ppl too much

every time im going dont care about dying i kill some1

[mystic barn]

Peeling is a bait in shuffle only the strong survive

[crude bane]

do you guyz believe me if i say i now relaxing in LoL soloQ after a wow session

can you believe it

tf

taking a good draven and smashing bitches

[rancid granite]

^ yes; solo shuffle made me think LoL sounds more relaxing too

lmao

[crude bane]

i went 10-0 on placement

[rancid granite]

never draven though, all jhin

[crude bane]

today

[rancid granite]

what'd u place damn

[crude bane]

fresh account

S4 kekw

[rancid granite]

nice lol

[crude bane]

i just smurfing

only way to relax

take a fresh account and smurf

[torpid roost]

Healers have aneurysms when they get to free cast and people still die

And remember - we're only happy when you aren't

[crude bane]

ret quote

imagine one day you can dispel their horse

or steal it

[wheat jay]

Id like to be able to kite ret

Would be amazing

[mystic barn]

you can

[wheat jay]

Noone can

Arent their skills 30 yards range?

With bunch of freedoms and horse?

[jagged totem]

hey guys, is fury better than arms rn for arena?

[torpid roost]

They have reasonably nasty damage from range

And no it isn't

Unless you're a mongo and don't take pvp seriously, for the level of effort invested, fury has event returns

*decent

[scarlet barn]

no

[jagged totem]

cool tyvm friends

[tribal nimbus]

Any of the bloody token gear BiS?

Or just straight conquest gear?

[jagged totem]

I believe you want a 2 set from drakebreaker, correct me if im wrong

[tribal nimbus]

Oh important to clarify, for arena specifically. I don’t believe two set is active in arena

[jagged totem]

I see! I wonder why Mud has it then

[torpid roost]

Arena no set except tier is active

He has it because it's "free" (conquest free) 421 gear

424 is better but it's better than honor gear

[wheat jay]

Cuz you can't have FULL conq set yet

[spice hornet]

whats it like to be a dk

in shuffle

and just do w/e u want

[mystic barn]

feels good

next question

[coral axle]

it's freeing

[teal willow]

https://youtu.be/ZPeM9q4mAZo when someone decides to be toxic in a game, then he gets the same... Enjoy the vid! 🙂

[spice hornet]

does this 2.4k item even do anything for warrior

the mog

thing

lightning item

[mystic barn]

It’s broken like every pvp set glow

Gets fixed in a few weeks

[spice hornet]

[uneven hemlock]

Actually broken for every variant of the tier sets.

[mystic barn]

I wanna see the red lightning on my shoulders as another arms warrior gets 1 shot

but that’s coming 10.0.5

[mystic barn]

ya figures

[jagged totem]

how often do you guys use shield block?

do I need a good bind for it

[spice hornet]

never

lol

[jagged totem]

lmao kk

[frank knoll]

Some Russian afflock figured out an exploit to hit 800k deathbolts
Current topic in the lock disc

[latent zenith]

well fury pvp is completly dead, time to learn arms

[tribal nimbus]

What makes you say that

[latent zenith]

losing 300 rating in soloshuffle

there is just better melee

[wheat jay]

But ye, arms is better

[scarlet barn]

you reposted vid of a guy that spams videos every week

Not worth watching

[spice hornet]

fury is really bad

[mystic barn]

@coarse glenin

whoops

[spice hornet]

miss him

[scarlet barn]

just from thumbnail

[latent zenith]

Well thats fine, but I havent seen a single fury warrior, not even on my 500 higher rated ele/resto

[spice hornet]

was hoping DF would bring him back

[mystic barn]

why

he told me to play in traffic and it made me severely depressed

[spice hornet]

new expac usually brings back cooked individuals

[mystic barn]

Like @full quiver

[spice hornet]

that boy loved traffic

ew fk scoobz, hes a survival hunter main

[mystic barn]

he mains dk now

he loves it so much he plays 2

[spice hornet]

not surprised

[mystic barn]

and with 16 different people

forever at 1600

the dream

[spice hornet]

we have a few shitposters in here that arent warrior mains

[ebon sequoia]

Any tips in 2’s when against a resto druid? They just can’t die

[spice hornet]

dont play the rdruid bracket

[mystic barn]

ya like artji

[mystic barn]

swap on hots or purge hots

you oom them that way

damp game

[copper hare]

yeah, swap on hots, don't waste your damage into cenarion word

[opaque sundial]

So I’m making the switch to arms from fury. Just want to make sure I got this correct. Vers, crit, haste. For stats? And arms is better then fury?

[ebon sequoia]

Ok thanks, I’m ranking with a friend of mine playing a healer evoker, we went from 0 to 1k today, but started running into Druid’s we just couldn’t focus. So we ended up just focusing the dps and waiting for the druid to go oom in the end

[copper hare]

like seriously, don't waste your time into cenarion word

most busted ability in this game

[mystic barn]

ya and if you swap on hots they oom extremely fast

omg he’s here

[full quiver]

Qfiend died to blightstlker

And low

[mystic barn]

is this true @spice hornet

[full quiver]

[ebon sequoia]

When you say swap on hots? What does that mean sorry

Just swap target?

[mystic barn]

hit the target who doesn’t have heal over times from the rdruid

[spice hornet]

its true

put me on a shirt

got kiolled by fotm scoobz

[ebon sequoia]

Ok, thanks very much guys

[full quiver]

Fotm cleave

[spice hornet]

wasn't as bad as Mud losing to dekel tho

[full quiver]

[mystic barn]

it’s worse

trust me

[full quiver]

Wow

[mystic barn]

what

[proven maple]

Dekel actually queue’d retail? Dude just lives on Boring ass classic war/pal mirrors.

[full quiver]

Yeah he beat mud 4 duels in a row on stream

[mystic barn]

what is q fiends name in game

[proven maple]

That’s nice work

Mud now second best war

?

Dekel stormforged when?

[spice hornet]

when he comes back

dekel unironically joins the warrior disc, searches his name, reads, then leaves

[proven maple]

Dekel

[muted surge]

I can’t tell if that’s real or not

[mystic barn]

answer the question

[spice hornet]

Qfiend

Lol

[mystic barn]

who was executeman

[full quiver]

Lol

[mystic barn]

that died to s3 soul reaper on a bridge

[full quiver]

When he pulled it up on stream

[pure hornet]

Unhinged still better than ep?

[full quiver]

And all the posts of mud r there

[spice hornet]

Sounds like me for sure

[wheat jay]

?

What you want dk?

[mystic barn]

nothing

[wheat jay]

Ok have a good day then

[mystic barn]

thanks you too

[wheat jay]

[copper hare]

https://www.twitch.tv/whaazz/clip/HelpfulTentativeLapwingMikeHogu-xcyD-hcQy9TNjG9n

ret gaming

[brazen rock]

radiant decree nerf 40% in pvp inc

[wheat jay]

2 girls 1 ret

[copper hare]

more like 2 rets one dead

[mild thunder]

looks like ret needs a buff

[quick carbon]

i act think ret is super easy to deal with

as warrior

[copper hare]

not as bad as other classes, but when you see your team mates constantly getting oneshot

in a fucking blind, which still doesnt break to holy dmg

then it's just super cringe

[quick carbon]

i mean like as a warrior individually

[copper hare]

intervene doesn't do shit to any of his damage

[quick carbon]

u shouldnt rlly die to ret

honk honk execution sentance leap away

[copper hare]

read again

[quick carbon]

i said as warrior individually,

not ur teammates

just play with another class who just zooms away from paladins

[copper hare]

wat

[high star]

ya just play a different class 4head

[quick carbon]

ret threat overblown

just tell ur team to walk away from paladin

[high star]

i dont think threat or opness had anything to do with what he said

[copper hare]

[high star]

just cringe dying in a CC thats not breaking

[copper hare]

[wheat jay]

Range tho

Horse tho

[copper hare]

just run away from ret who runs at you on his horse with freedom, blinds you and kills you in 0.5 sec

[wheat jay]

Freedom tho

[copper hare]

just run away

[quick carbon]

yes exactly hit heroic leap

[muted surge]

Just spell reflect

[quick carbon]

stop facetanking wings

[muted surge]

Not that difficult

[copper hare]

Yeah I tell the next 3k rsham in shuffle

to press heroic leap

that's a good idea

[high star]

gust of wind 4head

just break his ankles with the 360 disengage

[quick carbon]

just hit gust of wind bro

[rancid granite]

lmao @ mave

my thoughts exactly

[wheat jay]

Not even a funni troll

[copper hare]

there is always this one ret main

[wheat jay]

I know one ret main

[mystic barn]

doesnt intervene generally kill the warrior or was that a sl thing

[wheat jay]

Wish I didn't

[wheat jay]

Killed Kargish that's for sure

[copper hare]

can't even intervene judgement/decree

only blade of justice/crusader strike/reckoning I think

[wheat jay]

Does reckoning hit you twice like some skills?

If you intervene bomb from Hunter you get hit with both xD

[copper hare]

possible!

[spice hornet]

ele dam is ridic in shuffle man

[hardy wave]

What can a Holy Paladin do to stop us from just zerging them?

[spice hornet]

freedom and pillar hump

[desert root]

genuine question, if ret is so gogod

good

y are there no rets above 2.4k in eu 3v3

and only vanguards in na

[copper hare]

ret is not s tier. Don't get this wrong. It's just the point that a class shouldn't hit for 300k decrees or 200k judgements when people have 350k hp. It's just not good for the game

[wheat jay]

Yet...

[desert root]

yea makes sense

[copper hare]

Ret is definetely way more busted in shuffle than in 3s pre made

[wheat jay]

Its just a oneshot machine that doesnt rly do much more than that

[copper hare]

but it's hard to counter ret with randoms and without communication

[wheat jay]

And theyre on a very short timer with how their defensives work

[spice hornet]

ret good in shuffy

[acoustic kite]

Hello

[spice hornet]

accidentally kills other targets

by itself

[copper hare]

And even when ret is OP, you barely see more than 2 rets in rank 1 range usually (Pika and mystic) in EU

[acoustic kite]

anyone have build for fury pvp?

[spice hornet]

yeah its calld respec arms

[opaque sundial]

anyone got any cool macros for combining some of the abilities for arms warrior?

[spice hornet]

in 10.0.5 we will

[acoustic kite]

😓

Why?

[copper hare]

yeah /cast Avatar /y PI ME DADDY

[opaque sundial]

will i ever use slam or whirlwind?

[wheat jay]

Objectively better

Stronger

Less zug zug

[copper hare]

Btw, gotta see how it feels on release but overpower could deal disgusting fucking dmg in two weeks

dreadnaught now scales with all the overpower modifiers and we get another overpower talent

[opaque sundial]

will i ever use slam or whirlwind?

[wheat jay]

Yes

Whirlwind to get rogues out of stealth

[opaque sundial]

what about slam

[copper hare]

I mean, sometimes for totems but currently it's better to just press rend instead

but both hit for pathetic dmg

[opaque sundial]

fair

[brazen rock]

just walk away from the 200k radiant decree

ok

[coral axle]

just block it with shield block

[brazen rock]

also, barely anyone plays ret. Similar to feral. It can be S+++ tier but only 3 weirdo retards in dreamgrove play it.

[copper hare]

usually I agree but right now I don't think I was in a shuffle without a ret yet

[brazen rock]

haven't played a shuffle since patch so idk

[smoky anchor]

Ret is insane DMG and hard to shut down unless you kite

Fairly squishy though

[wheat jay]

Except people roll meta all the time in pvp

[coral axle]

as much as I love the gearing this xpack for all my alts, it is the ultimate fotm reroll xpack

[smoky anchor]

Lol facts

[copper hare]

yes, second warrior is in the gearing process

lol

[smoky anchor]

Considering lvling my lock

[brazen rock]

I mean feral is cracked as fuck rn but isn't representation still dumpster?

[wheat jay]

Higher than when its bad

[coral axle]

u can have a character 1-70 with full honor gear in like 12 hours just fucking around, 4-6 if u optimize

[torpid roost]

Ret isn't that good, it's very counterable, they just hit like fucking freight trains and have nearly zero setup time

[wheat jay]

Remember shadowlands 2s survi rep?

[copper hare]

u know what, doesn't matter how broken lock is, nothing is worse than getting tunneled by 2 melees constantly

[wheat jay]

Look at it now

[nimble jasper]

isnt very good, freight train zero setup

[lucid walrus]

feral had to have a solid pick rate later in SL

[coral axle]

I leveled mine, its really fun but its hard to play rn, lots of melees on ur ass and both demo and affli ate some nerfs

[wheat jay]

Or s3 shadowlands Frost mage destro lock comp

[nimble jasper]

ok nice cope

[smoky anchor]

That is exactly why I haven't yet. Literally any match with a lock is a guarantee to get focused

[wheat jay]

That DIED after one nerf

[lucid walrus]

when jungle was one of the big 3

[wheat jay]

And everyone rerolled rmp with outlaw

[torpid roost]

okay they're all just terrible mich, the class is actually god tier but all the rets are retards, and I'm the one who's coping

[smoky anchor]

Maybe I lvl my dk

[torpid roost]

l m f a o

[lucid walrus]

when ur whole comp crutches on a trinket👌

[smoky anchor]

Zero changes and they are so crazy right mow

[nimble jasper]

i mean vanguards is the only good ret

on na

so not wrong

[coral axle]

dk if u want a braindead melee yeah

[torpid roost]

and there's zero in EU

[coral axle]

ele sham if u want a fotm caster

[copper hare]

there is two in EU

[nimble jasper]

pikapal

[copper hare]

mystic and pika

[coral axle]

my buddy is multi r1 on ret but I dont think r1 has been very high lol

[copper hare]

I don't think there is any other ret r1 mains

[smoky anchor]

Ret is really good for shuffle since it's so unorganized. How do you shut them down anyway? Disarm/stun/kite during wings? Anything else to look for?

I'm also getting my anus torn apart by dks

[lucid walrus]

line at this point

[torpid roost]

lord

[lucid walrus]

they can kill you from 30 yards away

[coral axle]

I really dont mind dks on warrior, especially the SS ones who just facetank you

the ones that kite are kinda fucked tho

[desert root]

ye doesnt warr shit on dk hard

[torpid roost]

go to the 2v2 and 3v3 ratings

rets aren't high

go to shuffle ratings

rets are GODS

[lucid walrus]

dks who know how to deadzone are annoying

but we do kinda shit on them

[nimble jasper]

most good dks will perma chains you

and kite

[copper hare]

yeah, playing vs dk in high 2s is always a pain, doesn't matter how good war is

[brazen rock]

yes because shuffle is a meme

[torpid roost]

remember s5 when we could PVE tunnel into the back of their head while they tunneled healer and just kill them anyway

[brazen rock]

even at 2400 its just a retard brawl

[lucid walrus]

s5?

[copper hare]

if you ever played vs dakkroth dk or cerv in 2s you never wanna play 2s again

[smoky anchor]

Yeah until like 2 days ago I had no problems. I've had a string of dks just destroy my team though

[nimble jasper]

wasnt cerva crying

[torpid roost]

putting up sunders in PVP and shit

[lucid walrus]

like wrath?

[nimble jasper]

that assa was ripping his bung open

[torpid roost]

s5 would be wrath S1 yes

[copper hare]

cerva is always crying I think

[nimble jasper]

true

[copper hare]

but you can't deny how good this guy is

[torpid roost]

he's just meta gaming

[lucid walrus]

i’m below the age of 35 but that’s wild

[torpid roost]

cry on the forums, earn buffs

[nimble jasper]

yeah anyone who still remembers wrath

[torpid roost]

DKs released to the world in a broken state

[nimble jasper]

💀

[torpid roost]

a lot of them actually played with a one button random cast macro to meme on people (they fixed this by breaking the macro, not by fixing the class)

[copper hare]

Btw, am I the only one that thinks instead of nerfing rdruid and prevoker, they should buff all the other healers? Like first I wanted them to nerf these two, but the more I play I see how much struggle the other healer specs have to heal the current dmg

[torpid roost]

I'm with you, current damage is high but you can't fuck with that without throwing PVE into disarray or dramatically slowing down all PVP

make the lagging healer specs stronger, especially by their PVP talents

[smoky anchor]

I pushed for glad on hunter back in wrath release and it was nothing but dk on every team spamming icy touch

Ended as duelist

Super sad

[torpid roost]

I was R1 duelist S3

petitioned blizzard to grant me the title Vengeful Badiator

they never responded

[copper hare]

getting tbc glad with clicking half of my spells

those were the good times

[torpid roost]

kek

the skill change over the years is dramatic

like go watch Hydra videos now

he's A W F U L

but he was r1 glad at that time

[smoky anchor]

Tbc rmp was glorious

Pre nerf manaburn priest, oh lawd

[torpid roost]

never played it but playing against it singlehandedly made me make a rogue

yeeeeeep

[smoky anchor]

The amount of cc

[torpid roost]

or that stupid bow in AQ? that ate mana

wait

[brazen rock]

lock/spriest/rdruid

[torpid roost]

black temple

[brazen rock]

[torpid roost]

and it applied to melee swings

[copper hare]

no struggles when you played war/lock/druid with sunwell gear

[smoky anchor]

Absolutely kino comp

[torpid roost]

so you could equip it as a rogue and just destroy mana pools

[copper hare]

hit them with a blegh

[brazen rock]

seeing how strong rdruid is rn makes me want to go back

[torpid roost]

HoTs DoTs and Kidney Shots

[smoky anchor]

Lock spriest was fun till people figured out you could see who was in the match and swap into shadow res gear and literally nullify their damage

[brazen rock]

but then i get bored of pve healing 50k hps with 4 spells

[torpid roost]

I never got good at rdruid healing

was a competent (low 2ks) disc priest for a bit

[smoky anchor]

It was literally just lifebloom rolling

[cinder vortex]

general consensus of arms vs fury?

[brazen rock]

rn its dont make plays, pve heal from africa

[torpid roost]

Arms

unless you're braindead or you don't have a healer/your healer is braindead, then fury

[cinder vortex]

10-4

[smoky anchor]

I'm in camp 1

[cinder vortex]

i duo with an hpriest

[smoky anchor]

I think war in 2s not so good

[torpid roost]

well, even if he's okay that's.... tough

I've been struggling in 2's a bit but I'm overcoming taking 2 expansions off and training new partners

[smoky anchor]

Although pi right before bladestorm is insane

Especially with unhinged

[torpid roost]

do you still CS into bladestorm? People told me to do that and it seems like such a waste, but, it DOES make you un-CCable

and CS is kinda necessary for our burst windows

[smoky anchor]

If I am using unhinged then ya

[torpid roost]

generally run EP but I can see unhinged against disarm comps

[smoky anchor]

If not then probably still yeah to stop cc

But you could also have banner

[copper hare]

they need to buff all the other healers up to rdruid/prevoker level

I swear that's the move

[brazen rock]

well prevoker toolkit needs a nerf imo

[smoky anchor]

Provoker is so insane

Prevoker

[brazen rock]

esp with communion being immune to fears and disorients now

[smoky anchor]

That grab should get nerfed to 1.5 min to match leap of faith

And whatever burst heals they have

Is insane

Idk what to even look for

[torpid roost]

I feel like it isn't even a cooldown

it's just like, fuck you

[nimble jasper]

prevoker is

rdruid

for dumber players

[torpid roost]

they're 100%hp and I don't run out of mana

they just vape on their teammates and fly around and be an obnoxious immortal douche

[simple rock]

anyone fight a decent jungle as arms lately

feels so hard with full crit build

[sharp meteor]

Idk prevoker seems kind of weird to play.

Rdruid not hard to pick up but hard to maximize the potential of.

[nimble jasper]

hey guys

[smoky anchor]

Prevoker mobility is so crazy though

[nimble jasper]

i heard sub was bad in df

[stiff nexus]

A good rDruid sucks to deal with. A mediocre rDruid is easy to deal with. Provokes just sucks ass to deal with regardless.

[copper hare]

I just don't like the tranq immunity for rdruids. You should be able to punish rdruids if they play aggressive

so fucked up

[smoky anchor]

Yeah that is aids

[nimble jasper]

yeah cant stop tranq immune

besides rop

[smoky anchor]

And I forget about it all the time

[nimble jasper]

and outlaw bladeflurry going through it

[smoky anchor]

I'm like fuck this druid is way out of position

[brazen rock]

arms sweeping strikes or no

[nimble jasper]

prob

[smoky anchor]

Swap blow my load and he just tranqs

[brazen rock]

hmm must test

[copper hare]

the only thing you can do is sweeping strikes his mate and maybe kill rdruid in tranq yeah

[torpid roost]

Sweeping strikes does indeed go through it

[nimble jasper]

bladeflurry and ss

[copper hare]

but still, shouldnt be in the game

[brazen rock]

if i can cleave an rdruid in his own tranq for a 120k MS

[nimble jasper]

prob work sim code

[brazen rock]

ill die happy

[copper hare]

druid has more than enough

[brazen rock]

orange class best class bro

accept it

[sharp meteor]

oh but you can

[copper hare]

like running in for a rake stun without hots should get punished

[sharp meteor]

tranq was so they don't get 1-banged through everything

[brazen rock]

and rdruid will only get stronger as expac progresses

[wheat crane]

This giants game is gonna give me a fucking aneurysm

[smoky anchor]

Yeah they were always op and the way to deal with them (I thought) was to just hard swap to them before they get hots going

[sharp meteor]

imo dmg and healing are too high rn relative to health pools just like in sl

[smoky anchor]

But now tranq stops that

Annoyin

[copper hare]

yeah and then they got this fucking frenzy auto proc aswell lol

[stiff nexus]

I mean. I had MS reset 4 in a row on some poor fuck. So that’s just rng.

[smoky anchor]

I much prefer bursty DMG and heals over the slog fest of low damage 70-90% dampening arena matches

[copper hare]

healing aint too high, its only rdruid/prevoker

the other healers are pretty undertuned

[torpid roost]

my only problem with using SS to get a druid tranquing

is that generally I have to burn it to put out enough pressure to force the tranq

[copper hare]

something is not right when you have to healing surge 6 times to top someone to 100% hp while druid has to ns once

[brazen rock]

ive had lifebloom crit bloom for over 100k before

shit is cracked

[smoky anchor]

Yeah you think that till a rsham drops 200k bolt burst on u

I didn't even know that was possible till the other night

[torpid roost]

lol that's the low key fun part about disc

[smoky anchor]

Ya I seen some fatty swd

[torpid roost]

healing is meh but I do very decent overall damage and scary snap

[grim escarp]

man I just cannot climb out of 1200 in pvp

arms or fury

[torpid roost]

mindgames, schism, purge the wicked, radiance, smite cast into SWD

upload video or stream

shit talk will be had but we'll find the issue

[grim escarp]

Im shy ...

shit lemme scare up a solo shuffle

[lucid walrus]

chargers game was fucking crazy

[tribal nimbus]

Does spell reflect do anything against dks

[weak swallow]

boutta blacklist all resto shamans in pvp

mfers dont deserve climb

[coral axle]

yeah why arent they playing rdru or pres

so stupid

[sage raptor]

I blacklist all rdu

And dhs

Not really but I'm one bad arena from it

[mild thunder]

yea ive seen disc regularly do >1M in pretty short 2s games

i uhhh, i even got 1v1d by a disc earlier in the season cause i wasnt paying attention

[spice hornet]

double warrior lobbies feel so bad

[worthy fern]

@tribal nimbus can reflect asphyxiate/grip

[tribal nimbus]

Does the magic damage dr do anything?

[ocean knot]

Hi Guys, quick question - how do you handle MM hunters in world/arena? I'm arms and it's so easy for them to peel me and keep distance. Any tips appreciated!

[coral axle]

schism > mind games > mind blast > double death is actually real burst

[mild thunder]

in the world, run away
in arenas, disarm double tap/stun rapid fire try to intervene/stop traps, dont charge into master's call

[simple rock]

once played 2s with a disc that took all dmg talents

he hit 100k deaths

[ocean knot]

Thanks - it's mainly world PvP is the issue

[coral axle]

gross

[mild thunder]

yea wpvp there's no fix

[simple rock]

but went oom in 1min and had no barrier

[mild thunder]

you're an arms warrior, they're an mm hunter

you lose

[ocean knot]

[simple rock]

you can win in 2s vs mm if you never leave the pillar and spam kill pet

if they don't have rdruid

if they do you just lose better to /afk

[flat dome]

Marksman is aids to deal with. Mainly since they hit you with a 60% snare

[mild thunder]

i cant wait for double tap to be removed

so funny

[spice hornet]

the non-dring root is really annoying on hunter

[ocean knot]

Arena isn't too much of a problem at my mmr (Low currently)

Just world PVP is aids

[mild thunder]

concussive shot (and all ranged slows) should have a longer CD than duration

then they could tune down some of the stupid melee mobility

[ocean knot]

Giving hunters a bubble too - yikes

That we can't shattering throw

[copper hare]

hunters have enough pain right now tbh

not the class to complain about imo

[sharp meteor]

Every spec got more mobility and hunters

it's like here you have scatter steel trap

which is great but

BM hunter is somehow harder than most specs right now

because it's made out of tissue paper

[ocean knot]

Arena Hunters aren't an issue at the moment for me - it's world PVP

[copper hare]

I mean the only thing you can do is play fury in wpvp

[ocean knot]

How is fury fairing in PvP against arms recently? I tried it in a few BGs and it's not bad but doesn't feel as powerful from the offset

[copper hare]

I mean better if you play without healers, worse everywhere else

[ocean knot]

Yeah I saw the survivability is there but need a good ramp up and good uptime on a single target to get big DPS

[mild thunder]

sustained dps as fury is garbanzo

its all about burst

arms has a better consistent damage profile, and better burst lol

[south kestrel]

I cant even explain how easy it was to win with arms over fury once I swapped

[coral axle]

nice thing is fury doesnt have any real ramp-up time at all, unless u count slaughterhouse. just full send avatar+reck+spear and have instant full rage

[ocean knot]

The recommended builds with fury always chose annihilator - Not too fond of how it feels to play as love the actions per minute with raging blow lol

[coral axle]

Yeah because the damage is comparable and you get to press BT way more for more healing

Makes the rotation near impossible to mess up too

[copper hare]

it's exactly the same, instead of pressing RB RB RB RAMPAGE, you press BT BT BT RAMPAGE

just sad what they did to fury

[coral axle]

gotta have at least one totally braindead spec, just a nice niche to have

although one could argue that havoc can and is that spec

[copper hare]

nah, fury is way more braindead

[stiff nexus]

Havoc if doing momentum build is not easy imo. Especially compared to fury.

[mild thunder]

as much as i hate dh, its not even closely comparable to how braindead fury is these days

[coral axle]

yes I agree, although before the nerfs especially you could do better as havoc playing it just as braindead as fury. But really what I was wanting to say is that blizz should make havoc the braindead spec and give fury some sauce back

[mild thunder]

fury isnt even a real spec anymore

[raw bridge]

Hunter worst class in the game IMO, remember when they could 1 v 2 a few expansions ago? RIP

[mild thunder]

delete rampage

is the first step

[opaque sundial]

kind of asked earlier but no one answerd so im switching to arms instead of fury and I have way more buttons lol anyone know some good macros? do i ever use slam? do i need war banner or can i switch for something else?

[mild thunder]

not really any macros to minimise the rotation, but no slam isnt really used

[lucid walrus]

war banner tends to have more value the more experienced you are

there’re alternatives

[mild thunder]

banner is useful into almost any matchup, but no ability is useful if you dont use it. so if you're not using banner, pick something else

[lucid walrus]

people even in 2kish shuffle lobbies ignore banner though it’s hilarious

[mild thunder]

no one has killed my banner yet except for claak on his ele

he was sniping it insta

[gaunt scaffold]

Is fury mongo still a thing or arms just vastly superior these days

[mild thunder]

arms is vastly superior

[timid kiln]

is arms vastly supperior atm?