pvp

[late nacelle]

Not once

[steel trout]

2k rounds?

[late nacelle]

Like 500 rounds

[coral axle]

thats sick, I think im at 300 total across all characters in SS

[late nacelle]

1.5k games of 2s/3s combined

[coral axle]

and yeah I've seen one outlaw rogue, it was the first day of the season in 1800

[stuck mulch]

u can use it to fuck a mm hunter in double tap

[coral axle]

dude actually pumped

[stuck mulch]

for abit

[hardy wave]

Do any of you guys run Fatality, could I just drop bladestorm for it?

[late nacelle]

Dont drop

[coral axle]

I think fatality is pretty nerfed in pvp

[late nacelle]

Bladestorm

Fatality is pretty bad in shuffle

Its allright in arenas imo but yee its clunky

[coral axle]

yeah fatal mark is nerfed by 66% in pvp

[late nacelle]

Ye u need to stack up for a while

Also keeps u from swapping targets for a bit if u wanna keep ur stacks

Which isnt ideal either

Could do something like, dot class, fatality warr healer and try to go deep damp every game then its pretty strong

[turbid ember]

Its 60 sec, hard for that to fall off

[late nacelle]

Ye but u dont reapply it every time

Its a chance to apply

So if u swap back 15 sec left on debuff u might not reapply before it runs out

[hidden herald]

how often y'all press slam?

[undone pumice]

when im ragecapped

[late nacelle]

I dont

I rather refresh hamstring

[cursive pike]

does crit work with fury?

[shy aurora]

whats easierst to clim duelist solo shuffle? fury or arms

[hot solstice]

how is it possible for ppl to be 1700 in 2s and 1200 in ss with 400 amtches?

is boosting still a thing?

[elfin surge]

will it ever not be?

[late nacelle]

1700 and 1200 is basically the same elo

[grand scaffold]

is it ok to drop sharpened blades

[hot solstice]

I mean what point?

[grand scaffold]

for ep

[hot solstice]

every 1500 andy can get his mog via ss

[late nacelle]

Mog useless anyway

Mannoroth shoulders, t3, or own unique ensemble

Any current mogs is just trash cos everyone uses em

[sharp tusk]

is ret busted or is it just me

[warm portal]

Cheese spec if anything, right?
I see them fall over a lot more often then I see them 1 deag people

[sharp tusk]

maybe healers just suck

[steep inlet]

Ret is too strong y arm

Seen some 300k

[flat dome]

Cause you can select your partner in 2s. In other words, can have a resto druid.

[hot solstice]

dude was rdruid lmao

[dense rover]

when do i use slam in arms in pvp?

[flat dome]

Can't help the handicapped

[coral axle]

Rdruid is free rating, easy to find somebody way higher rated than you desperate for a healer

Just sit back and play pve while they carry you

[cinder olive]

fiury or arms

[dense rover]

is slam even uswed in pvp? ive tried learning by watching streamers and i cant see a single arms warrior use it

arms that is

[fair tide]

you guys playing blademasters or warlords against melee cleaves in ss?

[fair tide]

I dont really have room to use it 90% of the time

op is up so fast

[dense rover]

Yeah looks like it is for most people

is it worth even ahving binded? 😛

[late nacelle]

Dont slam

[muted surge]

Boost me to 2.4 in 3s, ty

(+50 wins)

[hot solstice]

not while arena is deflated

2600 - r1

[fair tide]

so many fotm warriors

[muted surge]

It’s not even fotm tho :(

Soon tho

[fair tide]

I think its in prep for next patch tbh

[hot solstice]

still not as op as feral rogs

they made beast master even more faceroll

[fair tide]

I dunno, dh/dk still scare me

[hot solstice]

disc priset do way to much damage with 0 effort

[turbid ember]

They're just better cleavers

I'll take disc damage over rsham 150k+ lightning bolts

[hot solstice]

u need to keep dot and have 10k dps with random penances

[dense rover]

what do i do when im disabled

i mean disarmed

[hot solstice]

try take less damage

[turbid ember]

Or trinket

Jump away

Intervene

[waxen oasis]

is Storm Wall bad?

or droppable

[cursive pike]

what pieces of gear should i get first as a freshley honor geared arms war

[muted surge]

Tough luck

[worthy fern]

@waxen oasis take it for now until Ignore pain comes

[elfin surge]

no im disabled.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/us/icecrown/disabled

[fair tide]

would be funnier if he played ret

[hardy wave]

Do you guys ever just say fuck it and mong the healer off the start in SS?

[odd void]

Greetings, I have a quick question as I am semi-confused regarding what is supposedly meta and what actually feels powerful.
I have been an arms main since Vanilla, I caved and tried fury and quite frankly, it feels much more effective. I feel like the damage is pretty similar, but the survivability of arms feels much more difficult to maintain.
Do I still run with a dstance/sword and board macro when under fire?
I'm down to do my own research but I wanted some opinions, I want to play arms, but I just don't see it surpassing fury in effectiveness barring a pocket healer.
Noted, I haven't done rated or arenas in several expansions, I just want to get on the right foot.

[quaint snow]

low mmr fury is ok, arms will overtake fury - in 10.0.5 that is

[odd void]

Gotcha, I prefer it if arms is good since it's my favorite spec in the game, it feels almost anathema for me to be any other spec, lol.
I guess I just have to get better at it.

[elfin surge]

Arms is better than fury rn and gets even better next patch. Fury is pretty trash when compared to other melee, tho it seems to farm at very low mmr.
Weapon swapping is dead, you never swap anymore. Just stance swapping.

[muted surge]

Bring back wep swap and make stances better :(

[hardy mortar]

so tired of SS where i win 3-4 rounds and get 1-8 rating, lose 4 rounds and lose 75

then wait 35 min for a queue

[night crescent]

Returning to arms after several seasons being a spoiled fury main. Are you guys sitting D stance while getting trained, just swapping during csmash windows? Or is the net dmg loss still not worth it. Stance-dancing feels unbearably slow to me.

[elfin surge]

mmr is a thing

@hardy mortar

[smoky anchor]

Bros last night this resto sham crit I think lightning blast 2x for 70k then 130k within like 1s

Wtf is that shit

[warm portal]

Thats a small rsham banger too

[elfin surge]

stormkeeper

[odd void]

Thanks a ton, guess it's back to arms lifer time again. I'll have to stick with it, eventually it'll click again. Really glad to hear this.

[smoky anchor]

U have to get better at beating the good players instead of just the shitters

[hardy mortar]

fair

[elfin surge]

Arms is looking like it's going to be A+ or S tier next patch. Which drops in less than 2 weeks

[smoky anchor]

Hahahah really? First time I seen that. Me and this ret were chasing a devoker and he just dropped from 30%

[small grove]

For Solo Shuffle - is the Spear build for Arms optimal? Or should I just stay Fury until I get 1800+?

[hardy mortar]

Fury and Arms have diff ratings, i swapped from fury @ ~1700 and started climbing on arms

[small grove]

Right - I just swapped over to this toon so I'm 0 CR. Just wondering if I should swap to Arms now or try to push up with Fury a bit then switch

[quaint snow]

you need to win 3-4 rounds with like 5:1 or 6:0 to increase your mmr to get fat points in the end

[warm portal]

Completely up to you. Since the rating is tied to the spec, just play whatever you want and when you want

[small grove]

Ohh - I just realized what he meant

[elfin surge]

I havnt played arms yet in shuffle but it definitely looks like its a lot better than fury.

[small grove]

That's crazy - I thought it was by role not spec

guess I'll just go on Arms then since that's what I'll be switching to inevitably

[elfin surge]

im waiting for ignore pain until i play arms in SS

[west radish]

Hey, new to warrior. The pinned note says I can swap Roar to Spear if I want that instead but I'm short a point since Cruel Strikes is a 2 point node. What else would I take a point out of to get spear?

[abstract veldt]

yo guys arms or fury?

[undone pumice]

arms

[abstract veldt]

elaborate if u can please ;))

[undone pumice]

fury bad

arms good

[thick reef]

fury will be behind arms even more in a few weeks prob by a lot lol

[steel trout]

fury just tankier but no dam

arms big dam less tanky until ignore pain

[abstract veldt]

but like i see fury dealing a lot more

manof speaking my language

so how can i improve my rotation as arms to get better damage off

[steel trout]

press mortal strike

[abstract veldt]

makes sense

[steel trout]

💯

[cursive pike]

what is lore behind lores warrior

arms warrior*

[coral axle]

Arms does a lot more damage if they are clumped for sweeping strikes/bladestorm, plus it's a lot more bursty so it's harder to heal, fury is zero threat outside of reck+ava

Possibly if both specs just pve one target a whole round zero cleave fury would have higher total damage but I'm not even sure

[undone pumice]

he good with axe

fury not good with axe so need 2 axe

[cursive pike]

fury is just a pissed off guy

[undone pumice]

fury VERY angry

arms less amgry

[cursive pike]

so arms just regular soldier?

[coral axle]

Arms takes anger management classes

[undone pumice]

arms is very good with axe

like absurdly good

[west radish]

Hey, new to warrior. The pinned note for arms says its a spear bladmesater build but it has roar, if I want spear I'm short a point since Cruel Strikes is a 2 point node. What else would I take a point out of to get spear?

[undone pumice]

u click wrong build

[west radish]

lmaoooo truuuuu

I clicked bleed

mb

[shy aurora]

Bleed build is actually fun to play

[agile crow]

literally just won 4 rounds and got no rank up. not even ranked yet. such garbage

[pearl sierra]

whats the opening burst for arms?

[zenith marlin]

2x Overpower > Warbreaker > Stun > Spear> Avatar/Blood Fury/Trinket > Sharpen / Mortal Strike > Bladestorm + Unhinged
comments?

After Bladestorm + Unhinged Mortal Strike will be back off CD

And u will likely have an execute proc

Also good chance opponent will be within 35% range

[pearl sierra]

use sharpen too?

[zenith marlin]

sry Sharpen is bound on my MS so every opener Iuse it

that 1st MS is always with sharpen

[pearl sierra]

ok ty

[zenith marlin]

But this may change based on situation Im just comfy with this

Let say I get an MS proc right after my 1st MS I may just press again than spin

I got extra rage and enemy hits execute range? I may cancel aura on my spin and just spam execute

[pure hornet]

Any1 tried fatality

??

[undone pumice]

yes

bad

[zenith marlin]

Love it / hate it

if it was a lower tier it would have been decent

but alot of whats in the last tier is bound up in better options

It shines vs classes without immunity 5 mins in the game I guess?

[undone pumice]

charge, sharpen, badge, avatar, smash, spear, ms, bladestorm

[zenith marlin]

where is ur stun

smh manof

[undone pumice]

smh

always stun before anything

[zenith marlin]

😄

my wife asks me if I am texting manof again

[undone pumice]

u dont have a wife

[zenith marlin]

whenever im on discord bitch is like "stop texting manof"

[undone pumice]

she jealous of our bromance

[zenith marlin]

tru

well not wife but fiancee

with wedding planned

so practically wife

wife from the perspective of common law

bet half mfs here have kids bruh

[undone pumice]

i am a kid close enough

[sharp tusk]

I just had a kid in November

[undone pumice]

gz

[thick reef]

nice

[sharp tusk]

Ty

[late nacelle]

And so your watch begins

[sly furnace]

Everything was so much easier pre kids 😂

[slender plume]

Ayyyy same, congrats

[grand scaffold]

is anybody else have problems trying to get solo shuffle ques at 2k

[slender plume]

Bro solo shuffle queues take like 20min at 500

[flat dome]

Arms is like a woman that is mad at you. You know she is mad, you just don't know when she will pop off

[undone pumice]

yea

[sage raptor]

Hi manof

New pfp

[crude bane]

ge betrayed us

he *

[grand scaffold]

its depressing

[grand scaffold]

fuckin yuck

oh well

joefernandes ftw

[wheat jay]

COMMUNION SOMETHING

REEEEEEE

[crude bane]

https://gyazo.com/30d50f1011d2a6320b891900b842a05e we coming back slowy to 1K9

[hot solstice]

do we w8 ignore pain or push 2400 now?

[crude bane]

wait and push 2K9

[waxen oasis]

is Whirlwind ever used in pvp?:

or i can just remove from bars

[hot solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

[obtuse musk]

only for fury cleave

against what comps would the bleed build for arms be better than the spear build?

[mystic barn]

just push it’s ranked skirmish

[proper sequoia]

Can be used to break out stealthies

[rancid granite]

bajheera back rockin fury

someone loan me 2k conq points so i can get a 2nd weapon

[long ridge]

what he is fury

[thick reef]

think he just plays both for content sake

[obtuse musk]

Hes said he prefers fury on stream

[coral axle]

No kids but getting married in May

Engaged gang

Got snipped because fuck kids, and another reason probably tmi for the mods here

[rancid granite]

good for you for being responsible brother

[kindred viper]

why does prot pally get placed as healer, not a single heal in an entire shuffle

[coral axle]

Dude is gonna keep going 0-6 until people don't need heals anymore

[pearl sierra]

should I buy a weapon at this point if I dont have one yet?

[thick reef]

interesting

380k damage in 1 second

ret is cool

[dense rover]

which offpiece should i buy as arms warr for conquest?

i got 24& crit, 5% haste, 11% mastery and 19% vers

[lusty moth]

1hour que, some guy insta leaves as we load in.... why would he do this

[coral axle]

Instant leave on first round is probably a true blue DC

If your game crashes it counts it as a leave, there is no "reconnect" button because pvp in wow is an afterthought

[brazen rock]

just dbts it bro

oh w8

just spell reflect it bro

OH W8

[thick reef]

im still getting used to arms i was suffering as fury till a few days ago

i finally freed myself from the shackles of mediocrity

[scenic maple]

Takes a min to free the hands and brain of nonstop mashing for no reason

[brazen rock]

You'r still always doing something as arms

But its a bit more involved then fury

[thick reef]

how you doin openers

[lean burrow]

stun+avatar+wb+spear+mortal strike = you win

https://youtu.be/AiMXk_7F0G8?t=17

[thick reef]

i dont need to see venruki whine about something

[brazen rock]

208k wrecking throw

get fucked leather wearer

venruki everytime ww/mage isn't absolute S+++++ tier

[mild thunder]

venruki when he doesnt use a single defensive and claims other classes are OP

[south kestrel]

Wtf is that wrecking throw dam lol

[brazen rock]

demolition + csmash doing fun things

also war may have tossed it while sitting in spear for even more crit dam

[hidden zodiac]

what stats should i use for arms

[mild thunder]

vers > crit >= haste

fuck mastery

[hidden zodiac]

alright..im switching over from fury with full haste pvp gear. should i buy the crit set instead?

[mild thunder]

slowly transition to crit, yea

[south kestrel]

Dont make the same mistake as I did and play that spec

Oh I misread hahaha

[coral axle]

Haste still seems fine for the bleed build, I've seen some high rated warriors on drustvar gearing it

[south kestrel]

Have seen some people crush with it

I don’t trust myself to run it

[coral axle]

Seems kinda sketchy for solo shuffle, not sure that rotting a team down is better than just full send max burst

[pearl sierra]

is the crafted pvp helm worth it?

[brazen rock]

yes

[mild thunder]

i stg i barely have the time to even use shatter in this meta

[craggy socket]

Bleed build the way to go for solo?

[coral axle]

I'm thinking that it's not, I assume that going full burst is better but I really can't say

I know some people in here have thought the same thing but then won a bunch with bleed so idk

Personally I play arms to hit people with 100k spears into 200k MS not to rot them so even if it is better I'm not gonna bother

[mild thunder]

idk why bleed feels good, but it does... also nice to not spear into 10 classes that can just walk the fuck out of it

[wheat crane]

Its definitely not the play for shuffle

Good for 2s tho

[primal cloud]

Someone told me Arms is getting buffed in 10.0.5 - is this true? If so I might dust off my warrior

[mild thunder]

yes

[primal cloud]

[mild thunder]

cant wait for the fotm invasion of the discord in 10.0.5

[coral axle]

All the dh players 🙃

[primal cloud]

I'm here now so I can be there with you and roll my eyes at all these "Fotm chasers"

If anyone asks I've always played warrior

[mild thunder]

"hey guys, im a 2400 dh solo shuffle player, is arms good now"

🤓

[primal cloud]

I made this DH earlier today

[mild thunder]

wtb solo shuffle lobby with no uhdk/feral

[pearl sierra]

is the pinned arms build good for solo shuffle?

[mild thunder]

there's several pinned arms builds

all work, situational

[coral axle]

Made one feral reroll today instagib through all his defenses, opener spear ms and execute all crit and dude told me he was rerolling next round

[mild thunder]

rerolling out of one of the strongest melee in the game

as a shuffle player, i hate all shuffle players

im starting to seriously doubt how useful IP is going to be in this aids ass meta

[torpid roost]

It'll be great... for you not being targeted

Not gonna do much of anything for others being retards

[mild thunder]

so many classes are just going to be able to ignore it and oneshot you through or tunnel you down anyway

damage is crazy atm

[torpid roost]

50k of 50% in addition to other stuff

Slow down a full heavy hit

... actually you're right that doesn't sound that strong given the cd

[mild thunder]

make it 300k

[torpid roost]

Make it 90

[mild thunder]

or reduce the cd to like 8s

instead of 11

[torpid roost]

Reduce the cd to like 3s

[mild thunder]

remove the cd

[torpid roost]

Smoke all your rage to survive? Okay

[mild thunder]

id do it

[torpid roost]

Nothing wrong with that

[mild thunder]

i just want this 2400 before 10.0.5 so i never have to shuffle again

[torpid roost]

Gotta win 100 rounds

[mild thunder]

fuck

that

shit

[torpid roost]

Why grind shuffle if not for Legend

[mild thunder]

100 rounds above 2400 sounds aids

pride and ego

[coral axle]

No CD ip would be some crazy unkillable shit

[mild thunder]

problem?

[coral axle]

Nah bro I'm im

[mild thunder]

yes, i do want to be S tier unkillable omega-cringe class

[torpid roost]

I wanna be low end of S

To be op but dodge the inevitable nerfhammer

[mild thunder]

idec about being OP, i just want to not die so easily

i would be fine with dmg nerfs if they were proportionate to defensive buffs

[mild thunder]

warrior will never dodge nerf hammers

[onyx vale]

[craggy socket]

Dk has dodged nerfs all xpac

[mild thunder]

thats defs not true

they got giga-nerfed right at the beginning

[lucid walrus]

so funny seeing this place change from BFA to SL to the tail end of SL when fury pulled ahead

[mild thunder]

then they got re-buffed

[lucid walrus]

gradual IQ drop

[craggy socket]

Dk is mega op still

Just sayin’

[mild thunder]

they are pretty stronkers, but they havent dodged nerfs all xpac

[mild thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/yukleniyor-gif-18955750

[lucid walrus]

“hey guys what slot unity” or, God forbid, the people who had no clue how double legendaries worked

[mild thunder]

its like a wow twitch chat

every 2 seconds is the same regurgitated basic question

[lucid walrus]

really is

[mild thunder]

we need to be firmer with telling ppl to check pins

[lucid walrus]

i think i get why casters paint all melee as drooling primates. fotm melee rerollers are the lowest common denominator for sure

dh, ret, fury, doesn’t matter

[onyx vale]

yes, all those spriest rerollers have a very high iq

[mild thunder]

omg, another feral, dh, ele lobby

shock and awe

[mild thunder]

yea, the problem is whenever a melee is S tier, its also stupidly basic

[teal light]

Vendrek Smash...

[lucid walrus]

i think if spriest had a castbar it’d turn a lot of rerollers away from it tbf

even now the knee-jerk reaction is to back away from the spec

[lean burrow]

warrior parries nerfs

[mild thunder]

i dont want mmr-based matchmaking, i want tier-based matchmaking for solo shuffle

let me verse boomies, enh shamans and holy priests

[long ridge]

LOL

[torpid roost]

Always kinda thought gladiator etc should work like that

Top .1% of (comp) or class

Like yeah I was only 2550 in an inflated season but with the retarded hipster comp we were running we were #1 world

[lean burrow]

is it ever worth to make a go with spear first, then second go with avatar?

without using both at the same time

against hunters/rogues?

[wheat jay]

Bad ones yes

Good ones wont rly do anything on just a spear use

[lean burrow]

I mean every go is paired with stun and cs

cs+spear first, then next stun cs+avatar

they usually press wall + roar of sac and that giga cucks me

[half aurora]

does disarm have diminishing returns?

I played against a MW, WW and arms in shuffle and it was just a sad match. Not sure if they waited for DR to finish or if disarm isn't on DR.

[zenith marlin]

ez pve to win again

runnin double crit vers trink

[lean burrow]

it's on dr

[south kestrel]

Cant wait for cross faction guilds so i can go back to living the orc/tauren dream

[mild thunder]

feral druid complaining that devastation is OP

[maiden grove]

Anyone have advice on arms war vs like, ele des evoker?

I have to tread so carefully as to not get practically 1 shot

[craggy socket]

how the fuck do i get to 1850 and now im stuck at 1600

Warrior just fucking dies to anything

I'm just awful at this game

People are so damn good even at low ratings its mindblowing.

[mystic barn]

its bc all the casuals went to shuffle

[craggy socket]

I don’t understand why it ends when 1 person dies

Like I’m 1 global away from making it a 2v2

[lean burrow]

what do you die to?

if it's spriest's or lock's burst then leap away

[craggy socket]

Idk I just to get focused every single game

[maiden grove]

What is its evoker and ele shaman combined

[brazen rock]

play pillar till they fuck up

ele/arcane is the real cringe.

[mild thunder]

what weapon are you guys rocking with your 1800 mogs?

[brazen rock]

crescent of living magma from mythic foundry

[lean burrow]

run

heroic throw on skyfury

idk if it's even worth leaving dstance first 30 seconds while fire elemental is up

[mild thunder]

good choice

[lean burrow]

stupidly long cooldown

[mild thunder]

im rocking The Black Hand

[shut barn]

how are they going to fuck up

how exactly ele shaman can get punished

like leap away on stormkeeper ?

never worked for me

[mild thunder]

leap away/reflect stormkeeper

same with primordial wave

its a massive CD now

but you can hide and wait both of them out

[shut barn]

well then in SL they really had no big cd

just casting lava burst

and instant damage

and million self healings

with a druid hots on them

was so hard for me to kill them as fury

[mild thunder]

they did, most people just didnt know what to track/how to track it. but echoing shock, primordial wave and earth shock were all things you could keep an eye on in SL

but yea now the major things are stormkeeper and primordial wave > run, hide, wait them out

[shut barn]

yea echoing shock

[mild thunder]

if they line wave up with earth shock it can be like 7-8 instant lava bursts guaranteed within 12 seconds

[shut barn]

i feel like i will be a big noob if i return the game now

there are so many changes

[mild thunder]

its a good time to play

[shut barn]

well semester ends in 1 week time to level my dusty warrior i guess

since they bringing back ignore pain

[maiden grove]

is disarm effective on monks?

[shut barn]

yea

but not really

they cant use fist of fury

[maiden grove]

better off running banner or something?

[shut barn]

if u disarm them

[maiden grove]

against feral ww

[shut barn]

disarm can be a high iq play when u want to burst them down or u pre disarm their go

but i use banner most of the time

[smoky anchor]

what does disarm stop

against monk

for gems: versa/crit, right? and primalist versa gem?

[maiden grove]

god arms seems like hard mode compared to all these other gd classes

[slender plume]

Ardeaf I feel like it depends on your current vers rating

I went crit/vers str/crit because I was at 34% without them

[smoky anchor]

hmmm

34% what, crit?

[slender plume]

vers

[lean burrow]

warrior hides, ele double kills healer and dps

[mild thunder]

well yea the thing with any hiding strat is your whole team has to join you

[mild thunder]

FoF

thats it

not really worth into ww or feral

[mild thunder]

arms makes me hard

[grand scaffold]

in solo shuffle are you still meant to leap away from enemy cd's

rest of people dont seem to be doing that

but i am

so like am i doing it wrong?

[smoky anchor]

no do it

[grand scaffold]

ok

and if they just sit enemy cd's?

do i still pillar or do i go back in

[smoky anchor]

use ur intervene to help out

disarm

and stun

and fear

[grand scaffold]

so cc and run?

[smoky anchor]

oh

i thoughht u meant if your teammates are sitting in big enemy cds then you should cc and peel

[grand scaffold]

well yeah

[smoky anchor]

if they are just sitting in it and being targetted then try and peel with cc and big dick dmg

but if u are being targetted then pillar hump

[grand scaffold]

and if im being targeted?

ok

ty

i think thats what ive been fuckin up

[smoky anchor]

also keep in mind that if they are going h ard

[grand scaffold]

too used to warlock

[smoky anchor]

it might be a good idea to intervene healer

to stop cc on healer

[grand scaffold]

ok

thats smart

[pearl prism]

one thing i have started doing is that if an ele is targeting you during a round, i go behind a pillar, hearth and then log off

[smoky anchor]

hahaha

man. upgraded from 8700k to a 5800x3d

double or maybe even triple my fps

[smoky anchor]

sv is so insane

but then you focus them

and they drop like dead birds

[mortal rover]

Is brawl queue working for anyone else ?

Won’t let me queue

[smoky anchor]

'join as group failed'

[grand scaffold]

survival?

[smoky anchor]

ya

[grand scaffold]

they are good?

since when

[smoky anchor]

i d ont think they are

but their damage is really good

super squishy though

this guy was top for 2 or 3 rounds then we started f ocusing him and he went 0/3 after that and hardly did any dmg

[crude bane]

i want my 3.3.5 turbo back

lemme tunnel healer and rush 2.4

[smoky anchor]

deep thunder mace spec hamstring spam ?

[grand scaffold]

thunderclap spam in rbg's sounds pretty good tbh

apply rend like crazy

[crude bane]

how rbg feel since there 1 shoot button on every class exept WAR KEKW ?

[craggy socket]

How does that work?

With intervene

[lean burrow]

intervene is only physical cc

or for mobility to eat hunter's traps

[smoky anchor]

intervene kicks and blind and shit

[craggy socket]

I don’t follow?

[lean burrow]

please follow, subscribe and enable notifications

[craggy socket]

If my healer is about to get kicked I can intervene and stop it?

[agile aspen]

if physical kick ye

[craggy socket]

Wow

I did not know that

What else can I stop? Hunter traps?

So rogue kicks

[shut barn]

rogue sap

[craggy socket]

I use use intervene to stop big damage normally

Amazing 🥲

I’m a noob warrior Forsure

Pvp so complex in this game lol

[shut barn]

dw it takes time only

and mechanics are trash in wow pvp

it just requires knowledge and xp

[craggy socket]

Yeah true

It triggers me ngl lol more then any game

[autumn whale]

Hahaha I'm the same.
I'm just yelling at the screen sometimes "slowed again! Another root, cycloned again. " Haha

[winged glade]

Hey guys I do no ranked PVP just farm Conquest casually in normal BGS, do you think it's worth spending conquest on 2x 2h first or go for pieces to turn into tier (as fury?)

[lucid walrus]

can't do trap anymore but eating pet stun is pretty enormous

you can reflect trap yourself but we used to have mirror and overwatch for actually letting healers reflect it

[agile aspen]

really would not recommend gearing fury

its already worse than arms and arms is about to get gigabuffed

[lean burrow]

fuck fury

arms only

[late nacelle]

trying bleed build

with 3% haste

xd

[proper sequoia]

You can reflect traps still

[lucid walrus]

yeah, you just can't intervene it

unless that shitty targeting priority picks you for some reason

[keen cloak]

Hi guys, so i just macrod D stance in with spell reflect because i figured getting a quick 10% damage reduction on top of the spell damage reduction couldnt hurt. I also macrod Bloodthirst to always activate Berserker stance so i wouldnt forget to change back. Is this a good idea?

Figured this could be useful when im against an ele and im trying to get back on him

just to be in Ds stance until i can hit him again

[green wyvern]

bad idea

[grand scaffold]

if you have to use bloodthirst to heal

and you leave d stance

bam you die

if you d stance and a destro lock isnt casting chaos bolt

he will just curse of weakness him self and chaos bolt you

avoid macroing stances

aside from macroing each stance together

[proper sequoia]

The best thing you can do is to learn how to play without macroing things together overall to have more control. With a few exceptions of course like charge/hamstring macro

I suck at it and have done some macros but it’s mostly best to have them separately

[fluid thorn]

Double Extinguished Sulfuras. That is if I ever make it out if the swamp that is <1500.😂

[pure hornet]

you guyz play Unhinged or Executioner's Precision

[grand scaffold]

both are nice

[mild thunder]

Depends on the matchup... unhinged is nice, but anytime there are pets that can soak the mortal strike procs, EP is better

[pure hornet]

yeah... but unhinged with bladeaster torment and storn of destruction is non stop s

ms

[mild thunder]

its nonstop ms, but those ms are gonna be soaked by the pets

[pearl prism]

Been playing a few games as fatality and EP at about 2k - 2.1

I’ve noticed I’ve definitely getting killing blows easier

[mild thunder]

as much as i want it to be good

[pearl prism]

This is dropping bladestorm too with Muds suggestion

[mild thunder]

fatality is garbass

[pearl prism]

I get kited easier though

[mild thunder]

mud is omega-trolling with the no-bladestorm build

[pearl prism]

Not sure if better, but you can get kills as long as you’re not getting kites

Imo it’s not as bad as people think. But yeah I’m not sure it’s better

You just randomly keep hitting these like 80k executes

Then you follow up with an MS with EP stacks

And it can be pretty nuts

[mild thunder]

dropping bladestorm - ~1 minute cc immunity and decent damage for ~10-30k harder executes every now and again

idkkkk

bladestorm can definitely be make or break

[pearl prism]

Yeah. But one thing it does is it makes you really maintain your ms/execute rotation relationship

Gives you really constant hard hitting damage

Bladestorm can feel like not much dps sometimes if they’re slightly outrunning you

[mild thunder]

bladestorm isnt used for dps tho

[shut barn]

BS can be 1 min cd ?

Like strom of destruction?

[mild thunder]

anger management

[lucid walrus]

AM also affects it without

with it it's probably like 40sec

[mild thunder]

with SoD its probably ~40s

[shut barn]

so u can use bs every warbreaker ?

[mild thunder]

no

[lucid walrus]

probably every other tbh

[mild thunder]

because cs is more like every 25-30s

[shut barn]

there is a cdr for cs too?

[mild thunder]

😐

[lucid walrus]

???

[mild thunder]

where ya been my boy

[shut barn]

my b

AM used to work on BS and avatar only

[mild thunder]

when?

[shut barn]

whole SL

[lucid walrus]

uh

[mild thunder]

uhhh

[lucid walrus]

it was WB iirc, dunno about BS

definitely not avatar

[mild thunder]

it was cs and bs in SL

[shut barn]

CS ?

no way

[mild thunder]

yep...

[lucid walrus]

yeah, you just never took AM

[mild thunder]

the only reason you took it in SL pvp was to use cs between enemy disarms

because they couldnt just disarm your 45s cs

[tawny elm]

noob question: should i bother putting rends out in arena?

[shut barn]

btw it works on avatar now ?

[mild thunder]

not that i ever actually remembered to switch talents

[lucid walrus]

no

[mild thunder]

no

[lucid walrus]

it doesn't and never has

[mild thunder]

if you have nothing else to press

[tawny elm]

thought as much. ty!

[mild thunder]

iirc it affected avatar (and everything else) back in WoD

we were basically outlaw rogues

[lucid walrus]

wod warrior

[shut barn]

so u can BS every disarm now and u have unhinged ?

[mild thunder]

if you're running SoD every game

which you shouldnt

[lucid walrus]

if the other guy told you when he was gonna BS disarm you i guess you could storm every disarm

[shut barn]

so pvp talents are Sharpen banner disarm/warbringer/storm?

[mild thunder]

warbringer overrated ngl

pretty much all pvp talents are situationally good except for rebound, MnC and SotC

death sentence pretty shit too, altho i still rock it sometimes

[lucid walrus]

wish they'd just delete SotC, i don't think anyone has ever picked it

[mild thunder]

it makes no sense

replace it with safeguard or something

[lucid walrus]

charge resets the ability that already gets reset 24/7 with a passive

[mild thunder]

buff MnC too

it was too busted before, but now its a dead talent

90s CD would be fair imo

[lucid walrus]

12 second rally on a 1min cd

good fucking lord

[mild thunder]

balanced + fair

rebound v SotC for most useless pvp talent

[fickle forge]

Back when Rally gave 45% HP 😎👍

[lucid walrus]

i wish i wasn't terrible in s1 because that was probably the most egregious iteration of the spec ever

it wasn't well designed at all, just comically broken

[mild thunder]

sameeee

i would kill for a safeguard/overwatch choice node in the class tree

[lucid walrus]

overwatch my beloved

gone too soon

where's that old enu clip of overwatching a rep

[mild thunder]

overwatching hpal HoJs was the best

because they all telegraphed soo hard

and my healer would always think i was a god

[fickle forge]

Overwatch magic kicks like DK was optimal

[lucid walrus]

6 second intervene, no icd death sentence, 1min 40% hp rally, ignore pain, untouched d-stance

[fickle forge]

😎👍

[green wyvern]

SL s1 arms was better designed than current arms

and better than bfa arms

in terms of design

unironically

[lucid walrus]

dunno how i feel about that tbh

[green wyvern]

I mean

spamming ms and sometimes op is good design?

2 button spec

garbage

[mild thunder]

current arms dps rotation isnt very good either

[lucid walrus]

that implies we pressed anything other than condemn, mortal and occasionally OP in s1

[mild thunder]

too many ideas in the spec tree, none of them properly fleshed out

[green wyvern]

so thats 3 abilities

compared to now 2

also

[lucid walrus]

slam's gonna be somewhat worth pressing after patch, OP's getting some nice tweaks

[green wyvern]

ms proc (exhilirating blows) was off gcd instant

waaaay better

[lucid walrus]

seems about equivalent rotationally. it's never been too hard to parse

[green wyvern]

than this garbage

that we have rn

[lucid walrus]

mortal combo for sure felt better but it felt pretty unhealthy when we swapped necro in late s1 and most of s2

[mild thunder]

idk the slam talent is bait imo

[torpid roost]

I tried rebound once

I reflected a chaosbolt

[green wyvern]

necro gave room for weaving slam

[mild thunder]

when rend will still do competitive instant damage with a dot

[torpid roost]

it didn't move their fucking hp bar

never touched it again

[lucid walrus]

haven't played around much with PTR, should honestly do that just to compare tooltips

[green wyvern]

the thing is, even if we talent into slam

we will be using it like every 10th-20th global or something

cus op procs ms

ip procs op

still 2 button spec

[lucid walrus]

mortal procs mortal and OP, etc etc

i see what you're saying

[torpid roost]

Yeah, the SotC talent sounds like a good idea but it... really is bad

warbringer is good if you're just trying to shit on people in the opener

like I could see an argument for it in SS

[mild thunder]

warbringer was good as s4 fury

but its dogshit now imo

[lucid walrus]

it's pretty cool conceptually but definitely not essential

[green wyvern]

warbringer is insane

play it every game

[mild thunder]

only thing i like it for is trying to snipe low hp hunters in turtle

[green wyvern]

it punishes people for kiting you

[mild thunder]

damage is pretty mediocre tho

and the root is weird because your charge doesnt root with it

only warbringer does

[hot solstice]

50k warbringer + 120k mortal on some dh or rdruid is insane

[undone pumice]

🐎

[torpid roost]

I'd double it's damage and remove the root entirely, but make it make you unslowable/unrootable for 2 seconds and speedboost

overpowered? maybe, but, fun overpowered

[green wyvern]

I played warbringer and sharpen every game in shuffle

[mild thunder]

id remove the damage and root and bring back charge stun

[green wyvern]

carried me to 2.5k+ mmr

felt pretty decent

[torpid roost]

What rating are you at? Fuck.

Maybe I've been doing it wrong

[hot solstice]

The problem is with rest of the talents being useless rip old legion shadow of the colossus

[green wyvern]

got to 2.4k something

now trying to farm legend wins

takes forever as dps

30+ min qs hurt

[hot solstice]

Did they fixed bug for another spec farming legend wins?

[green wyvern]

no

I think qs are fast if you are sub 2k mmr on another spec

like 10 min

I need to tank my fury mmr somehow

[lucid walrus]

best way to do that is probably playing fury

[torpid roost]

just gonna slip on my 4p and go SB/WB and pressure people into the ground in the first 20 seconds

[lucid walrus]

opener tempo is kind of a huge deal, ya

esp in shuffle where you'll probably cause panic overlaps

[tawny elm]

my healer friend always gets annoyed on warriors using charge first thing but i dont feel like its always a bad thing. am i in the wrong?

[fickle forge]

You're in the wrong

[tawny elm]

[green wyvern]

it kinda depends

[tawny elm]

yeah thats what i feel

[green wyvern]

I used to like charging in the opener when I played ret/warr

[late nacelle]

if ur slowed

[green wyvern]

to ensure we open first

[late nacelle]

u dont rly walk up to them anyway

just charge

[torpid roost]

what I've been told is that you should be mounted and just run in

[late nacelle]

if ur not slowed

might as well run up mounted

[tawny elm]

usually do this

[torpid roost]

I really don't like it, for a couple reasons, but, I can see the whole "it's harder to get away from you" argument

[green wyvern]

if you charge in the opener against mage/lock

you already lost kinda

[torpid roost]

though, I'm not very good

and most people have no chance to get away from me

[tawny elm]

is it worth charging a lock in order to try prevent him from putting down gateway tho?

[torpid roost]

except, notably, mage/lock/elesham

[green wyvern]

the only time I like charging in the opener is when I play melee vs melee cleave

[torpid roost]

to get gateway on most arenas you have to nuke a LOT of mobility

like leap to charge

[tawny elm]

mhm

[green wyvern]

they can insta cast it

no point

[tawny elm]

ah

[green wyvern]

it's better to waste a stormbolt

than a charge

against casters

tbh

[torpid roost]

wuuuh

[late nacelle]

just play highmountain

[torpid roost]

bolt opens people up so much more

[late nacelle]

and u have an extra charge

[torpid roost]

kek

just be prot and play HMT

[lucid walrus]

goblin jump

put your leap on ICD

[torpid roost]

charge, shield charge, bull rush, charge, charge

leap

[late nacelle]

i srsly hope u guys weave in heroic throws with your charges

[torpid roost]

actually yes, at 25ish y range or more

[green wyvern]

weave in sweeping strikes

[late nacelle]

dont forget to leap away heroic throw charging for that extra burst

[torpid roost]

otherwise you'll still be on GCD when you make contact

if you're closer

remember when that was actually a good move in PVE?

[lucid walrus]

heroic throw + leap = heroic half-court shot

[torpid roost]

was a ~.5% gain

[late nacelle]

yes

[lucid walrus]

+1000% dam

[late nacelle]

it still is good

in certain situations

[torpid roost]

is it? nobody I'm aware of uses it

[late nacelle]

its not worth doing

but it is a dps increase

[torpid roost]

the tiny % chance it'll fuck you up

or leave you in an emergency situation with your pants down

[scarlet barn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/a-call-to-azeroth-warmode-feedback-from-passionate-players-330822?webhook

@steep inlet

You made it to wowhead

!

[lucid walrus]

oh shit he did it

[steep inlet]

oh so cool for the project

thx for the link !

[scarlet barn]

My pleasure

[steep inlet]

48 sec ago haha

u fast

[scarlet barn]

Yes

Fastest typer in the west

[lucid walrus]

qwik tweeted back about it on the 24th? insane

[steep inlet]

yup !

holinka too

but his tweet auto delete

[undone pumice]

gratz troma

now if u stop playing prot u will get stormforged easy

[eager mortar]

next get invited to Blizzard to expand the idea and get your insights

[steep inlet]

Im still main Arms

And prot took big hits sadly

[undone pumice]

gud

[steep inlet]

I lost my last 5 soloQ

As prot

[undone pumice]

gud

[steep inlet]

I don’t understand was first in dmg every time

But people die by forgetting cds

Miss dispers etc

[primal cloud]

Damage isn't everything

[steep inlet]

I know well. But I mean I was peeling and dmging like a madman

So I got fed up logged Arms and 6-0 some fucking lock DH dk

[steep inlet]

From what I heard

The European CM is making a mail to Irvine devs

On call to Azeroth

Crossed fingers

[late nacelle]

Did anyone else get random DC from charging

Right after being knockbacked

I just got dc from that and got into infinite loading screen in solo shuffle

Could use spells and stuff was in the arena but the screen was loading screen, could hear all the audio

Somehow won 1 of 3 rounds while in loading screen

And went 3-3

[mild thunder]

happened twice to me yesterday

i lost 150 shuffle rating and then lost a 2s game because of it

[scarlet barn]

🤞

[hot solstice]

I have another bug that makes my skill panel freeze

[placid marlin]

Fellas I'm dipping my toes in soloshuffle for the first time and I'm wondering if I'm fine playing fury, I've read the pins and arms seems to be performing better but it seems like a more complicated spec to play in arena. I'm performing better with fury (cus it's easier) but I wonder if I'll meet a hard wall eventually. I don't have big goals I just would like to get the transmog. Any opinions?

[late nacelle]

Fury is fine

If ur only going for 1800 it'll be 0 issues as fury

Even 2100

2400 might be a little tricky but still doable

[hot solstice]

Its not that compicated...just play what u would like more...my recomendation to every newbie on new spec - try bgs first until u r 1st on kills or damage in most games

[rancid granite]

👴 <- me waiting for solo shuffle queue

[cinder thorn]

This minus bg comment

Play what you enjoy

If you want to get better at arenas you need to play arenas not bgs

But you do need to know your class so lots of practice vs dummy or bgs also

[hot solstice]

Idk, for me bgs is best dmage practice, and damage is the first thing u need to learn as dps in pvp...till the moment u dont look on ur binds at all and have ur attention on more important things

[cinder thorn]

Pvp dummy is dmg practice

Bg for positioning and cooldon timings etc

Arena for ass kicking

[hot solstice]

dummy wont blink from u

[late nacelle]

Deep wounds dmg needs to be buffed by 100%

[hot solstice]

I dont want to argue, just tellin what works for me

[hot solstice]

Think same way every time I see UDK dot damage...strage thing mastery doesnt buff dw damage

[cinder thorn]

Yes blinking is in bg for positioning and cd practice like when to use charge, leap etc

[dense rover]

As arms warrior is there some percentages i should reach in each of vers, crit, matery, haste etc?

[hot solstice]

vers 32%+...someone says there is 10% cap for haste in crit build

[dense rover]

currently sitting at 24% crit, 4% haste, 12% mastery, vers 20%

[hot solstice]

I personaly go 10% haste and rest - crit and equal haste/crit for bleed build

[raw summit]

good work with the wowhead post @steep inlet

👍

[hot solstice]

thats out off pvp

in pvp should be more

[dense rover]

How do I check in pvp? complete noob to retail here, only played classic

[hot solstice]

start beatinn pvp dummy

or another player

[dense rover]

sec

[late nacelle]

How many play rend or not

Need to drop spear to play dragon roar for rend

No spear feels bad

[hot solstice]

haste in crit build is arguable...its personal preferance - depends how fluent u want ur rotation to be

[steep inlet]

Thanks phil

[dense rover]

where is pvp dummy?

[mild thunder]

near pvp vendor

[hot solstice]

u still need to rememer +10% haste buff on colosus button

[dense rover]

im there but only find pvp healing dummy

[hot solstice]

bettwen 4 npcs

2 sell gear on left

[dense rover]

ty

[late nacelle]

I play only crit vers

[dense rover]

rokay now i got 30% crit, 7% haste, 12% masterty and 31% vers

[late nacelle]

No haste no mastery

[dense rover]

Thing is i got enough to buy some conquet off piece, and idk what to buy

[late nacelle]

Blunt instrument makes the 10% haste breakpoint less relevant anyway

[mild thunder]

has nothing to do with breakpoints

[dense rover]

So I just stack vers and crit on conq off peices as well?

[mild thunder]

its just about a more fluid/clean rotation

breakpoints havent mattered for ages

[late nacelle]

It was actually one of the main arguments for 10% haste, so you fit an extra global in cs window

But if you play blunted instruments you do that and some more even without haste

[dense rover]

hmm

so go for 10% haste or?

[mild thunder]

when?

never seen anyone argue for that

[late nacelle]

Been posted in here for months mate

Lurk more

[mild thunder]

im in here a fair bit, never seen it brought up when talking about how much haste should be pursued

breakpoints havent mattered since very early SL, especially with all the ms resets we get now, and the way uptime will affect your burst rotation anyway

[late nacelle]

Quick search yields countless posts on this subject

In this very channel

[mild thunder]

im not seeing it lol

[late nacelle]

What did you search

[mild thunder]

breakpoint

[late nacelle]

I did "extra global"

[mild thunder]

its literally just varughh spam

he's a retard

[brazen rock]

TRU

washed up mop rdruid glad

[mild thunder]

sorry i dropped a hard R there

[brazen rock]

TWELVE YEARS OF RESTO DOWN THE DRAIN TO PLAY GRUG WARRIOR

[hot solstice]

nah it was 20% haste for extra global on 10 sec warbreaker

[late nacelle]

10+10=20

[mild thunder]

but yea rare varughh L

breakpoints arent really worth chasing for pvp

for this 1 extra global

[late nacelle]

Agreed

[copper hare]

Lies

[hot solstice]

1 extra slam

[copper hare]

Im pretty sure 10+10 is 45

[brazen rock]

i dont think ive talked about the extra global breakpoint in weeks

[late nacelle]

I haven't casted slam a single time as arms since dragonflight

[brazen rock]

TO BE FAIR

[mild thunder]

you havent

but the only person that ever mentions it is you

[dense rover]

im a stupid fuck, with all this no extra global worth chasing, do i just go crit and vers? 😛

[late nacelle]

Haste is good for bleed build

[undone pumice]

common galachad W

[hot solstice]

the main argument for haste to me is more pleasant gcd

[mild thunder]

[late nacelle]

Longer gcd is actually big brain

When you get cc'd you lose less

[undone pumice]

wtf

why are u right

[brazen rock]

the hidden tech

[late nacelle]

Really makes u think

[brazen rock]

THE WISE GNOME

[mild thunder]

omega-brain

alright, how do we hit negative haste

[hot solstice]

I wonder if 4set arms is worth

only have 2pcs

[late nacelle]

Wasn't there a trinket or crafted item

That gives u 1 stat

But reduces all others

[undone pumice]

mainstat tho

the one from uldaman i think

u like time travel to steal your future self's brain by smashing his head in with a hammer

then u get stats

and then u get minus

thats kinda what we do tho no? we celebrate by undoing progress

[hot solstice]

or u can ask some fdk to steal ur haste

[undone pumice]

wait true

[mild thunder]

if you can find one

[undone pumice]

@raw summit

[hot solstice]

bet he will ask gold for that

[undone pumice]

no he my g

he gon hook me up for free inshallah

[raw summit]

do you want an int trinket

on ur warrior?

[undone pumice]

no

i want u

to steal my haste

[late nacelle]

Yes... the fire rises

[sage raptor]

There should be Cowardly season. I think that'd be funny. "Cowardly Gladiator"

[late nacelle]

That trinket has haste

Unplayable

[mild thunder]

420

[muted surge]

More like the int

Considering it’s a caster trinket

[sage raptor]

Ay yo I got that one on my dk

Death coils go brrr

[undone pumice]

ye phil is like

giga pve chad for some reason

no idea how that happened

now for him to learn 2 play pvp

[hot solstice]

thats the only 150sec trinket I have seen

[mild thunder]

anyone here got the malicious title yet?

[undone pumice]

what

[muted surge]

https://www.wowhead.com/title=740/malicious

Pvp title

[hot solstice]

I like how blizzard care more for m+ than pvp but Gladiator mount is 100 times cooler than m+ one

[mild thunder]

curious if there's any way to track the champion's tour sub-achiev

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ksm mount doesnt deserve to be cool, it's too easy... push it back to ksh and make it badass

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Ye but Sl m+ mount was much better

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its a bit better now, but in SL ksm was literally just "i had the time to do this" instead of an actual flex

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u cant even fly with new one

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kinda cool that the glad mount is a dragon skin and an actual mount

[undone pumice]

ye

[undone pumice]

it still sorta is but like

harder cuz some dungs are bullshit

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having time to do anything in SL was a flex

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biggest flex in sl was not playing

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I just hope ladder goes above 3k so I can get one

Its too deflated like in S4 before they fixed mmr

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hopefully, but im honestly concerned that shuffle has just murdered 3s

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and 2s