pvp

[south kestrel]

they just die through it

[mint osprey]

Yeah

I know the feels

[south kestrel]

Im so sick of shuffle bro

i just wanna be done

and no one ever communicates start of round

end me

[high sparrow]

solo q has been a terrible experience as a warrior personally

[agile aspen]

partially dc in ss

server issues outta control

[lean burrow]

why use intervene

if ret would cleave with radiant

[lean burrow]

who you are having trouble with?

every 30 sec you can stun+cs

sharpen is like cc for healer

[south kestrel]

Team mates lol, I didnt die at all

[lean burrow]

if their healer is out of cc then use sharpen so he doesn't heal much

[lean burrow]

maybe record your game, if you are not focused you can delete people

[south kestrel]

what you mean

[lean burrow]

#810664169140518947

record your gameplay and send it there

[mild thunder]

mostly, but dont use it as part of your burst. most effective use is when the kill-target is already low/semi-low hp and the healer is coming out of cc

[agile aspen]

can they fix the stupid feign death nameplate bug

[severe skiff]

Going to assume the pvp enchant isn't making it into this patch which is odd considering they added the tabard to it. Shame

[mystic barn]

is this u on dk

o its feral

how

lots of unh up there he should be farming cr from the cringe interactions

[agile aspen]

ret so skilled rn

[mild thunder]

feral damage is so aids

54k dps sustained

[smoky anchor]

are you ever focusing them

oof 80k bloodbath on a pve mage

[mild thunder]

arms is so unnecessarily stressful at higher ratings... trying to stay alive against casters and ret/dk/feral teams

[proven maple]

Feral really didn’t need a damage buff. It’s insane with mediocre players. Actual top skill players are just god mode. The pressure on your whole team is disgusting

[mild thunder]

the feral buffs are all pve-focused primarily

the only real issue is PW - if they nerf that to ~60% rip damage in pvp, they'd be pretty toned down and would have a real rotation again

multi-dotting should actually require you to multi-dot, not just spamming the same finisher infinitely while thirsting on FB procs

[craggy socket]

DoTs and bleeds are too strong in DF

idk i dont think crying about ret is the way ngl

[low hare]

Deciding on an alt is Arms fun to play? Torn between a Dr. Zug Arms or a Tree loving Resto Druid

[craggy socket]

were getting some good buffs coming up

play arms

its fun

ignore pain and good talent tree changes coming, its my favorite pvp sec.

[low hare]

Yea that is why I am looking at it I played Fury in SL just pve though

[lean burrow]

Is it ever worth killing mind bender?

[craggy socket]

i like ret/mage/warlocks but arms is just great with the right team

[low hare]

Nah @lean burrow I think only psyfiend

[craggy socket]

mind bender? ehhh idk i never do but im low rated

psyfield the noob killer

[low hare]

Mindbender takes to long to kill as well

[craggy socket]

hate that thing

[low hare]

I think it has actual HP

[craggy socket]

yeah it does

[lean burrow]

Some disc priests on reddit say mind bender top their mana off

[low hare]

Let the disc have its mind bender lmao

[craggy socket]

disc getting 2 pain sups lol

[lean burrow]

No

[craggy socket]

disc gonna be top healer in next patch

[low hare]

Poor disc

XD

No shoot

[craggy socket]

2 pain sups op

poor holy paladins

[low hare]

Disc just has to be way to aggro with all this burst its giga sus

How gear dependent is Arms is a good question I guess as well

How far behind will I be with out tier and crap

Is it big big

[coral axle]

ayy dragon gang. yeah warrior is a great alt

you can play fury if u want ur brain all the way off or arms if you want to have a good time blowing shit up

[low hare]

Gang gang

I like to collect the expacs big swords as well

So I always semi gear a warrior at some point

Only being allowed 1 dragon is big scam I would have a second preservation if I could and just leap frog them

[coral axle]

yeah idk whats up with that, such a random restriction

1-60 only takes a few hours anyways

[low hare]

So people can not have a ton of max lvls right into valdrakken tons I guess

They need to make Dragon warriors a thing

[craggy socket]

In a few weeks conq cap will be where you can get max in a day

and craftable tier

play what you want

other than dh bc if you do your moms a hoe

[low hare]

I have a DH but it is not as fun as it was when it was new

After I played a few more rounds it just is okay

[coral axle]

what is the fastest way to get conq on non-healer classes anyways? just spamming 3s?

[low hare]

That is a good point about ocnquest

I mean primal chaos is annoying but it comes in buckets once you start queuing

Alright druids are doing some sus stuff in their discord ima stick with arms or now

[median shuttle]

[sharp meteor]

duelist 3s is top 0.1% warr

shuffle eating the entire pvp playerbase

[spice hornet]

Kek

[craggy socket]

shuffle is fun

and great

[mild thunder]

I still haven’t seen a single glad out in the world

Shit is rare

[craggy socket]

im loving insta q as hpal

but getting dumpstered bc hpal poo

[sharp meteor]

got domed by petkick and seaney the other day

the mount looks sick

haven't seen it in the worl tho

a week ago 2400 was legit like top 70 or something

[craggy socket]

I haer petkick is a total douche

[low hare]

This my first expac actually trying to pvp and everytime I hear that this will prob be a very hard season for rating in regular ladder it is tragic

[craggy socket]

dont focus on rating

it doesnt matter unless you are a glad and going for mount

[fickle forge]

And still my Q time is 45+ min

[low hare]

yea I am chilling my main goal atm is 1.8k for tmogs essentially after that is just try and fix the mistakes and climb. On my healer I try to find DPS in LFG at least once a week to build that social aspect but takes time

[craggy socket]

healer is insta q

[low hare]

Yea I did 120 rounds of SS today on my healer

so fast

[fickle forge]

You ask about any R1, but Bajheera, and someone will tell you they're a total douche

[brazen rock]

every r1 is a total douche

[sharp meteor]

ya cos no healers

[brazen rock]

especially that mud guy hes a total clown

[sharp meteor]

honestly wanting to heal shuffle is rough

[low hare]

Straight up true no healers I queued my healer into the same enemy healer back to back. That means everyone was waiting for us to finish for that pop

madness

[sharp meteor]

like if u play 3s it doesn't give anything

it's like 2s in other seasons where sometimes it's easier duelist or elite

but if u get glad then no point

why heal some speds for free

needs healer rewards

[low hare]

Shuffle is great for pure reps and randomness

[sharp meteor]

ya good for hammering games

[low hare]

It also makes you have to play reactively

Since no comms

Honestly maybe I just go with the rdruid even if the discord is sus just so I can get you guys into games XD

For the brother hood right D:

[spice hornet]

I was at 2176 at some point now I’m down to 1900 it’s hard to climb lo real 3s

[low hare]

Yea I think 2-2.2k range in regular 3s is literally R1 teams

Like Pikas team was queueing and tanked a bit and they where in that range and then streaked back

Its a hard knock world atm

[stark agate]

Sophic or Wafting enchant for arms pvp?

[craggy socket]

I fight glads at 1600-1700 all day

"glads"

[spice hornet]

Yeah I had queued with 2 buddy who were only doing shuffle and finally did 3s and like our first game or two was like 1650mmr and it was sweaty

The meta just boring too, it’s still mainly ele/spriest/demo and dh/dk.

[lucid walrus]

"ret/war meta is so boring" they said

[low hare]

Sl S2 glads 😄 everyone tells me it isn't real but still at least 2l prior

[lucid walrus]

ok enjoy your 10min caster matchups with constant rdruid drinks and pillaring each other's goes every time

[pure hornet]

Guyz you think age matters ? In high end pvp

I am 40 and pple say that kids around 14-18 years old have way better reflexes and eye coordination

[wheat pecan]

thats bait

[lucid walrus]

this was mentioned a couple days ago

and i mean generally they do but wow's a pretty low apm game

[pure hornet]

I find it more complex than lol

Way more stuff to react to

[lucid walrus]

it's definitely more forgiving than ranked in most FPS games

[coral axle]

Age obv matters but it's not like it's insurmountable

[lucid walrus]

^

[mild thunder]

Bajheera is a total douche

[pure hornet]

Dunno.. i seem to do way beter in lol. Here there seem way more skills to handle remember and react to

[lucid walrus]

idk how people even parse what's happening in league

[coral axle]

Probably just experience, in lol you need to have faster and more precise mouse movement

[lucid walrus]

montages look like watching a bunch of ants until i know something happens bc of all the post-edit effects

[lean burrow]

nobody under 20 plays this god forsaken game

especially pvp

[coral axle]

Actual fax this is a boomer ass game

[lucid walrus]

wish i could argue against this but ig i'm old now

[pure hornet]

Would not call it forsaken.. i like it alot still

[coral axle]

Game felt forsaken for multiple expansions with how it was treated

Finally turning things around but pvp still feels like an afterthought

[lucid walrus]

more frequent tuning definitely makes arena feel less like abandonware

even if a lot of the changes made aren't what's needed or the exact opposite of what's needed

[coral axle]

Still staggered at how long it took to get partial rating and punishment for SS leavers

[fickle forge]

Cancel this man

[mild thunder]

even 20 is a stretch ngl

im 20, and the youngest person i know that plays is 28

28-32

[south kestrel]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HotSparklyLobsterDatSheffy-baJXeRX4xby6biTO

Wtf is this

Hoooly

[crude bane]

@pure hornet feeeling the same did way too much pve and getting old i lost so many reflex

[crude bane]

its like devoker during prepatch

they still dealing a lot now getting assclaped by 160K living flame

[mild thunder]

man watching all these dh players come crashing down and realising they didnt actually become 2400 players overnight is so satisfyingh

bud went 0-6

[sharp meteor]

ah yes every dh going negative and being unable to dodge

while melting down in each pre-game about how everybody else is playing it wrong

we love to see it

[mild thunder]

guy didnt try to stop a single-cc, didnt peel, didnt cc properly, and was going on the worst targets

[rare ibex]

Worth dropping to ilvl 398 on one item to get 4 piece in arenas?

[agile aspen]

which item tho

[rare ibex]

Shoulders

[mild thunder]

FUCK

got up to 2300 and dc'd mid-match and now i cant login

i was winning too

[rare ibex]

Sucks bro

You'll climb back np

[mild thunder]

nah thats actually so fucking bullshit man

i am OMEGA-pissewd

[lucid walrus]

ngl you'll have a breezy time when the buffs hit

[mild thunder]

i wanna get it before the buffs

i want bragging rights

[lucid walrus]

i said the same thing about 2.1 lmao

[mild thunder]

before i get hit with the "fotm arms"

[lucid walrus]

though 2.1's not all that impressive

[mild thunder]

woulda been my first elite

man im actually so pressed

[lean burrow]

fotm reroller

[mild thunder]

i've already been accused of it by WARLOCKS

[agile aspen]

ye that happened to me today

servers still shittin the bed hardcore

[mild thunder]

yep and then the next game was in a lobby against ret, arcane, assa

fml

that 2400 has slipped away real quick

[lucid walrus]

you kinda do have to get a goldilocks set of matchups rn

basically pray it's mostly melee

[dusk cargo]

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW MUCH FATAL MARK DAMAGE IS REDUCED IN PVP?

caps lock

[high kindle]

70%

but i still like it into some matchups like demo locks or DKs

[dusk cargo]

reduced by or reduced to

[high kindle]

reduced by

[dusk cargo]

horrible. ty for info

[high kindle]

with my gear it is like 11k per stack, so 10 stacks still hit hard

[mild thunder]

yea had a destro, frost mage, mm lobby and then the other one

i could cry

[scarlet barn]

Do it

[mild thunder]

no no, im saving it for later tonight

[open glacier]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAQAVRUVUkQVUQhhEQEBEOVVVRUFUBVCRFERCRE 10.0.5 build, what do you think?

based on: you can do fat MS and your fillers dont suck hard. And if someone reaches execute range fatality can help securing the kill

[lucid walrus]

not too bad. tclap over howl and zerk though?

[open glacier]

WHOOPSIES

didnt modify that

xD

[lucid walrus]

pve holdovers i'm guessing lmao

[open glacier]

ye

[pure hornet]

Mud, why you have so low crit

[open glacier]

just remove those 2 thunderclap things

and adjust on enemy

like anti-fear, bubble breaker

etc

[pure hornet]

And high haste and mastery

??

[dark sparrow]

cause mud is filthy fury player

so he prob got the haste/mastery gear cause fury was good at first but haste/mastery still good if you play bleed build

[undone pumice]

he just swaped from fury

[mild thunder]

theres no way duel works into pets

my rdru died in 3 seconds through duel

[undone pumice]

imo

[lucid walrus]

don't think it does

unless you wanna duel a tyrant or something

though i'm psure it's only player targets anyway

[undone pumice]

duel tyrant

[lucid walrus]

yeah that was depressing to type

[mild thunder]

there's too many immunities in the game

[mild thunder]

those 2 points in exe refund are for sure a waste imo

[next parcel]

even though healers have insta ques they should at least top up every win with 10 more rating or on a loss with not more than -50

it s just so hard to heal those retards jesus

[mint dagger]

What u guys use as a filler on arms between overpower and ms?

[lean burrow]

hamstring

[fluid thorn]

Take time to set up your UI so you know everything at a glance. I think about it like a car. Case in point: the weak auras batches where everything important is in the middle of your screen. You can then focus on getting better in the rest. I am 35 and no way in hell I could play without my new weak auras dashboard. I would honestly know nothing.

[next parcel]

never playing with weakaura anymore , since i was in my last game to rival and weakaura bugged out and i couldnt press any spells cause i needed to reload

jesus fckin addon

[lean burrow]

what weakaura is that

[fluid thorn]

Well, the first thing I always have to press after logging is the "ignore" about addon errors. 😂

[next parcel]

the whole addon

[next parcel]

yep, I did the same but after the first ignore

weakaura decided to bug my keybinds

and after every key i pressed

it would show up that shit

in the middle of the game

so i just had to click the spells until the game finished..

[fluid thorn]

Oh that's rough. I have no chance to know the things it shows me, so when that happens I guess I'll have to take it.

I think it bugged once or twice, but fortunately keybinds worked.

But clicking... Well that's a road to hell.

[lean burrow]

lil bro didn't get addon for his addons 💀

don't you know? you need another addon for addons

bugsack

and then another addon for that addon

buggrabber

[lucid walrus]

yeah i really can't tell if my mouse is shitting out or if something's causing the inputs of some keybinds to get messy

[lean burrow]

need extra addons for addons

[agile aspen]

did anyone actually get into brawl this week or has it been broken since reset

[muted surge]

A quick /reload fixes it normally

[fluid thorn]

One question: I have a Warr alt leveled to re-energize my brain cells (meaning fury). Tried Arms yesterday, worked honestly better, but it requires more brain. Is it OK to stick to fury? 😂

[pure hornet]

I dont know witch cd are important to track in weakauras. Must i learn each clas cd?

[next parcel]

yea but i was scared of a 10 seconds reload

[fluid thorn]

Not there yet, mainly for my own tracking. Let me find it.

[muted surge]

Better than to click your spells

[lucid walrus]

sure could for a little while but arms will 200% pull ahead once patch hits

the fact that people still complain about fury seems to imply it's not F-tier rn

[muted surge]

People complain about everything tho

[fluid thorn]

I use this one. But basically anything like that works wonders (at least for me). Takes some time to set up to your liking, but no more looking half the screen away.

https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorDragonflight

[fluid thorn]

Ok. I'll get some reps with it until then and just let me play Doom Eternal in WoW with Fury in the meantime. 😂

The bad thing is the entirely different secondaries on each specs...

[lucid walrus]

haste's pretty cool for both of them luckily

[fluid thorn]

True. Good thing about haste. Who doesn't love to just press things faster. 😂

[dark sparrow]

People who love to hit things harder

[pure hornet]

And i heard it is wise to track mind games

What does it mean

[lucid walrus]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=323673/mindgames

[boreal tartan]

anyone here playing fury that feels their damage is falling behind in solo shuffle

[agile aspen]

yeah but only because it does

[boreal tartan]

is raging blow at all viable compared to annihilator build

[agile aspen]

no

not even slightly

anni is as good as it gets

[boreal tartan]

thought so

im 418 pvp ilvl and feel like im always 3-4th dps in shuffle

playing anni

[lethal kestrel]

guys vs destro

what to interupt?

or warlocks in general ( as arms )

[lean burrow]

mind games is weak now

it's just a bigger smite now

[lethal kestrel]

I love fury but try arms in pvp its like day and night its so muc hbetter arms its insane the only thing i liked with fury was more sustain with bloodthirst and such but

[boreal tartan]

yeah facts

Ill probably play arms in arena/bg but fury in pve/world content

[lethal kestrel]

like 160k+ mortal strikes in solo shuffles into huge executes are game changes

[boreal tartan]

I tried arms out in the world and it was tough lol

i guess with a pocket healer would be way better since the damage is absurd

[lethal kestrel]

yes fury is awesome in open world with all sustain

yeah pocket healer arms anyday

[next herald]

Guys where exactly ist stated that ignore pain comes Back ? Cant See IT in 10.5 Changes

[mild thunder]

10.5? jesus i hope DF doesnt go that long

[fickle forge]

Chaos Bolt/Fear/Shadowfury

In that order

[dark sparrow]

how do i get the mortal wounds debuff showing up here as well?

couldnt find it in settings, do i need to get an addon like plater or smth

[fluid thorn]

As far as I know, yes. I just add it to elvui filters.

[pure hornet]

Cant stom mind from this

Mental picture

Keep thinking every time at it😂

[mild thunder]

mortal strike 😐

[lethal kestrel]

ty!

[lethal kestrel]

how do you counter mages then? frost / arcane are brutally aids for me as arms

[mint dagger]

What's arms main stats in PvP Vers / crit?

[mild thunder]

yes

what is the assa total heal reduc? it feels insane

[fickle forge]

Trade mobility CDs efficiently and kick poly/surge/RoF

Just don't let frost mage cast bolt ever and he'll do way less dmg

[fickle forge]

Not sure actually, cause DM apparently doubles up on wound stacks, but no clue if both debuffs work together

[tropic pagoda]

Dont forget frost mage doesn’t need to press bolt ever in a match to do damage with Icelance and icicle spams

[fickle forge]

They do for shatter dmg I'm sure

You can't just hammer lance over and over, need to hit it into shatters

[tropic pagoda]

Watch aeghis on yt

u don’t need to press it

[fickle forge]

Who?

[tropic pagoda]

u only need to press icelance icicles frozen orb blizzard frostbombs

https://youtu.be/4MsH6PG5OeQ

[fickle forge]

Looks like the same principal though

Flurry into lance shatters

[tight imp]

Yup feel like compared to first few weeks when I was winning a lot more, this morning played a few and my best game was 3-3

Maybe time to switch to arms

[undone pumice]

is spear inconsistant or am i just bad

[lucid walrus]

inconsistent how

[undone pumice]

it feels inconsistant when it lands

and how do i hit more spears

[lucid walrus]

idk, i'd say aim with the center of the reticle and don't try to be a hero with aiming it

[fickle forge]

Be a hero with aiming it

No balls

[undone pumice]

i miss like 50% of my spears lately

[lucid walrus]

was much less of an issue when it was a 1m cd that could get down to like 40

[fickle forge]

Pre-CC and throw

[undone pumice]

do u throe it at un ccd targets a lot?

[fickle forge]

Charge -> Spear is solid for any non-TP'ing spec

Become a full psychic when you know the SP/disc is gonna yoink his SB'd teammate and then spear them both

😎👍

[lucid walrus]

the number of grips i've speared this season man

feels great when they dump leap of faith into it

[muted surge]

I have a weird delay since 2 weeks in pve and pvp, stuns and spears feel slow delayed

I hit more spears while playing on na with 200 ping than currently

[dark sparrow]

so what's up with warlocks being able to tp out of spear right now? thought they could only gate it in SL

[muted surge]

Why shouldn’t people run out of it

It’s a mere physical effect ;(

[lucid walrus]

y'know i'm curious if stuff like AMS still gets you out of it

it doesn't matter since dk has like 6 ways out but still

[elfin surge]

fatality kinda lit

[undone pumice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[elfin surge]

good morning lads

[delicate ginkgo]

someone stream arms arena, im bored

[grand scaffold]

worth playing in 2's/

[elfin surge]

not sure, felt decent into dks

[grand scaffold]

real laros?

or nah

that guy was playing really well

was using intervene parry and all that shit

[hard hound]

just use checkpvp like everyone does

[frank knoll]

Did Outlaw fall off

[grand scaffold]

its still good tbh

[frank knoll]

Yeah I’m killing people but getting gaslit but ppl saying “outlaw sucks”

I’m at low rating, maybe I was thinking it was bad at higher

[grand scaffold]

eh

i think outlaw is good

but

the other 2 specs are better

[steep inlet]

Rofl

Watch it becoming bis

With 4 part

[grand scaffold]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Tichondrius/Laros

[steep inlet]

It will be S tier with it

[grand scaffold]

wasnt the real one

-_-

but he was a 2700

[elfin surge]

is that the real laros

the streamer laros is the fake one

[undone pumice]

laros isnt real

he cant hurt u

[south kestrel]

back to 1668 boys

my dreams have been shattered once again

[grand scaffold]

bruh im happy i won that game

but ngl

i was shitting myself

i thought it was the real one

[elfin surge]

it is

[grand scaffold]

seriously?

[elfin surge]

laros the streamer is the fake one

he named himself after laros

[grand scaffold]

is that true or false

[grand scaffold]

are you being real or fake man

[elfin surge]

real

[grand scaffold]

this guy has a level 40 called laros which makes me believe you

[elfin surge]

@fickle forge

[grand scaffold]

oh ok

cool

[shut barn]

he is a mud 24/7 nuts licker

and he is not that streamer

[grand scaffold]

didnt think so

[lethal kestrel]

Man how to climb thios solo shuffle bs

[fickle forge]

You win

[lethal kestrel]

im lower mmr than others in the lobby i win 2 rounds and lose 50 rating

50 rating is alot

[blazing portal]

What 3v3 comps do you think are great for Arms atm? Any feedback from those who tried some comp(s) or heard ppl talk about them, much appreciated!

[lethal kestrel]

when i win i gain 46

[shut barn]

ive heard SP warr is best

for arms

[fickle forge]

Can we ban all DH players that randomly immune CC with backflip?

[fair tide]

I was playing w/ dk rdruid yesterday. It was pretty good

But dks are pretty wild, so I guess x/dk is going to work 😄

[grand scaffold]

dont

[south kestrel]

1610

i give up

[next parcel]

does someones victory rush icon bug out when it enablesv

[elfin surge]

mage mentality

[south kestrel]

won first 2 then lost 4 in a row

Fuck ele shamans

[grand scaffold]

i got to 2100

[next parcel]

one shot them if u dont like them

[south kestrel]

wish that were me lol

[grand scaffold]

then my cr started fluctuating

a shit ton

since then ive lost hope

[elfin surge]

@south kestrel how many games played

[grand scaffold]

so im back to playing 2;s

[south kestrel]

396 rounds total...

[grand scaffold]

i played about 250 when i hit my 2100

[grand scaffold]

are you playing fury?

[south kestrel]

yeah

[grand scaffold]

thats why

[south kestrel]

swapping now

im over it

[grand scaffold]

yeah

dump fury

[south kestrel]

i got to 1792 so i stuck with it, thinking i could do it

but i just cant

[grand scaffold]

quit fury

its so unfun

[south kestrel]

1 game off, twice today

i feel like aclwon

[elfin surge]

so with that many games, if you're still stuck around the same rating then that's probably the rating you belong at.
Until you improve as a player you'll remain the same rating.

post game recordings in #810664169140518947

[south kestrel]

been fluctuating between 1600 and 1800

yeah

just 1 game off...

[late nacelle]

Any

0 set chad gamers?

[proper sequoia]

Literally ANY time you are stuck at a rating it’s a you problem as long as there is someone that’s higher up

[late nacelle]

Nah

[pure hornet]

Ok

[late nacelle]

Up until recently the system has been rigged

[next parcel]

there are some games where it is luck i admit it tho

[late nacelle]

If you were winning too hard somebody leaves and you gain nothing

[south kestrel]

Is it a me problem if IM not dying though?

[late nacelle]

If u were losing nobody leaves

Good its fixed now tho

[grand scaffold]

mud might have a point but on a real note just go arms

and you will go higher than 1800

[proper sequoia]

If you play more than a few games, yes it’s a you problem ALWAYS

[grand scaffold]

can almost garantee it

[elfin surge]

shuffle is a weird bracket because going up rating is off of 3 things.

• Doing max damage
• Having High Uptime
• Hitting the right target

Setups, synergy and rotating cds hardly matters. Damage > All

[late nacelle]

Wouldnt fury be better at that

[south kestrel]

Overall maybe but the burst is shit.

[late nacelle]

Arms a bit burstier but i doubt you'd outdps fury

[elfin surge]

fury is pretty bad

arms would be better

[proper sequoia]

Yes definitely it's some RNG if you haven't played a lot of games, if you are closing in on 150-200+ rounds then I'd say it's always a you problem

[elfin surge]

but that doesnt mean its impossible to get rating as fury

[late nacelle]

Are you saying arms does more dps than fury?

[grand scaffold]

is sharpened blades more important than executioners precision?

[elfin surge]

yes lmao by a mile

[south kestrel]

I guess im just having trouble identifying the problem if Im not the one dying

[elfin surge]

fury damage is horrible

[late nacelle]

Interesting

[grand scaffold]

fury is puke quality

[south kestrel]

yeah arms pumps... but feels mega glass canon

[grand scaffold]

fury legit heals the enemy

[late nacelle]

Must be doing something wrong then cos my dps as fury is higher

[proper sequoia]

Well, say that someone like Smexx or Bajheera would play your character, do you think they would climb?

[grand scaffold]

so does anybody know if sharpened blades is better than executioners precision?

[proper sequoia]

If the answer is yes, it's a you problem

[late nacelle]

Sure arms bursts better but i have yet to see arms outdps fury in a longer game

[elfin surge]

fury is C tier melee, it's pretty bad.

[next parcel]

as it should be mate, but in ss u dont care about overall dmg

[grand scaffold]

wanna duel?

[elfin surge]

its not as bad in shuffle but 2s/3s its garbage

[south kestrel]

Question for arms then... if you have excess rage, do we dump it on rend or slam generally

if target already has rend

[grand scaffold]

prob dont play rend

[shy aurora]

How is arms in 1v1 situations?

[late nacelle]

Slam does so little

[grand scaffold]

if played well its good

[late nacelle]

Refresh hamstring probs better

[grand scaffold]

aside from into dh

[elfin surge]

i play rend

[grand scaffold]

really?

is it worth running in 2's?

[elfin surge]

i like it

[south kestrel]

i thought rend was fine... i dont go into Bloodborne but just the 1 pointer in rend

[late nacelle]

U take dragonroar too then?

[grand scaffold]

what do you remove to play with rend?

[late nacelle]

Right side of tree

Probably

[proper sequoia]

If you're new and still learning arena just take the easiest route and skip rend

[elfin surge]

fueled

[grand scaffold]

oh

[elfin surge]

i swear fueled is garbage

[grand scaffold]

is fueled garbage?

[blazing portal]

Tried with one shadow priest friend but he was getting focused so much that he wanted to play with my lock instead 😂 Another friend is planning a new char and is wondering what DPS to make - he's considering double melee maybe but doesn't know which

[grand scaffold]

why is stormwall good

[late nacelle]

Idk always felt like rend did too little dmg but never played with thunderous roar nor high haste soo

[grand scaffold]

wont people avoid hitting into parry anyway

[elfin surge]

its not rly but sometimes its okay

[grand scaffold]

im gonna remove stormwall tbh

[late nacelle]

Real chads play without talents

[elfin surge]

no man its good

[south kestrel]

So if you take out rend, assume you put in improved execute instead

[grand scaffold]

why

[delicate ginkgo]

why does our def cd do mr

what*

[grand scaffold]

stops dmg

it parries melee attacks

[elfin surge]

im not home but i think this is the build i play
BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSEJEJpUSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENkkAhmEhEAJRCAAAAAAAAJUSSIAA

[grand scaffold]

ok cool

[elfin surge]

i swap talents a lot tho

[grand scaffold]

is there a way of getting executioners precision and unhinged at the same time

[south kestrel]

oops

wrong quote

[shut barn]

@elfin surge which version of arms is stronger s2 SL or DF arms with IP?

[south kestrel]

Why warlords torment?

[grand scaffold]

because

[shut barn]

trying to convince my self to come back to wow

[grand scaffold]

blademaster feels like shit

[elfin surge]

both are good but tbh i hate blademasters, it feels weird to use and my gear is very low crit (from mostly fury gear still)

[grand scaffold]

i have high crit

i still hate blademasters

[elfin surge]

its fucking weird

[grand scaffold]

i have a habbit of pressing avatar before colossus smash

[elfin surge]

i dont like it

[grand scaffold]

and i end up bladestorming

ew

[south kestrel]

Ill give it a go

[late nacelle]

Bring back 10/20 dstance, thats all thx for reading my blog

[south kestrel]

Also why no Warbreaker?

[elfin surge]

i swear stacking high haste and playing warlord might be the move

[grand scaffold]

because

blunt instruments

is awesome

3 sec longer on colossus smash

[delicate ginkgo]

its akward cos we are pigionheld in to colossus, and casting that before the dmg bonus of avatar is just cringe. thats why its akward 🙂 but its great to break hex

[elfin surge]

you play into some but u can sweeping csmash to cleave it anyways

[grand scaffold]

and can hit 80k colossus smash

[south kestrel]

I see

[late nacelle]

Also

Reduce cd on die by the sword by 1 minute

[grand scaffold]

is bitter immunity useless?

i dont particularly like it

[late nacelle]

Yes but no

[grand scaffold]

do you?

[elfin surge]

arms talents are fucked u swap talents every game there really isnt a one build fits all

[south kestrel]

Id run it into sin rogues

fo sho

[elfin surge]

no

[grand scaffold]

im dark iron tho

[late nacelle]

Just take it

U can survive a cc chain on ur healer

Combined with victory rush

[pure hornet]

Mud i noticed you allways play rend

[elfin surge]

i do enjoy rend

[pure hornet]

Any reason?

[late nacelle]

Rend is for non zugzuggers

[south kestrel]

its just free damage isnt it lol

[late nacelle]

He is not on the true path

[elfin surge]

nothing else of value to take

either rend or fueled

and rend > fueled

[lethal kestrel]

i really wanna reach 1800

[south kestrel]

is the healing from fueld really that negligible
?

[late nacelle]

Its decent in 2s I'd say

But i also combine with leech and other stupid stuff

You can heal surprisingly ok

[elfin surge]

no shot

[late nacelle]

Optimal probs just to have a good healer and good control of the fight

[elfin surge]

fueled is so bad in 2s

dampening + every 2s comp has a mortal wounds effect

[south kestrel]

Is that why you dont run it in shuffle

because of instant damp

[late nacelle]

It will heal less sure

But 2s the healing you do get is more relevant too

30 dampening start is rough

[elfin surge]

if i spec out of rend

arms is 2 buttons

which isnt fun

[lean burrow]

when is warbreaker ever better?

[late nacelle]

M+

It also cant be dodged or parried

[south kestrel]

idk i see a lot of builds on murlok running warbreaker

[late nacelle]

Unless they changed that

[pure hornet]

And you like haste

?

Or just need to upgrade gear since fury?

[shy aurora]

What stats are the best for arms? Haste versa? Or crit versa?

[lean burrow]

someone shared their details from shuffle

[pure hornet]

Vers>crit

[grand scaffold]

more are using blunt instruments

[late nacelle]

Crit for non rend, haste for rend

[lean burrow]

FbV was top4 after pain and gain

[elfin surge]

i play it into dh dk 3s when i want to swap both targets and sweeping a csmash to hit both is impossible

rend is good guys

[lean burrow]

do you take unhinged in that?

[late nacelle]

Dots are boring

[elfin surge]

its 5-8% of my damage, spends rage which resets cmash and fishes tactician procs

rend is good

[pure hornet]

I see but why so much haste

[late nacelle]

You're playing arms warrior

Honorable melee combatant

[pure hornet]

Aha ok

[elfin surge]

no

[late nacelle]

You do not bleed your opponents to death

That is dishonorable

[lean burrow]

ty

[lean burrow]

deep wounds

[elfin surge]

been testing fatality a bit here and there

[lean burrow]

mortal wounds

[elfin surge]

kinda liking it

[pure hornet]

Fatality work as secure kill i guess

[late nacelle]

Neccessary collateral effects of your strikes

Rend is optional

[elfin surge]

rend is

[south kestrel]

fatality sounds insane tbh

[elfin surge]

bleed build is

[elfin surge]

its nerfed hard in pvp

but a 7 stack will hit for 50k+

[south kestrel]

not surprising...

[elfin surge]

usually 7+ stacks is enough to kill

ret was broken all along...

[fickle forge]

UDK

Trust me I'm an engineer

[south kestrel]

Rets fucked lol

[frank knoll]

I might level my Ret alt lol

They actually have some sustain damage now

[lean burrow]

what if it's dk+ranged dps

the rise of afflocks

again

[late nacelle]

I just want stormbolt to hit really hard

Like 100k

[south kestrel]

I do like arms better than fury i think

feels more impactful

[muted surge]

Does fatality count as a bleed or any debuff, or just a unspecified debuff?

[late nacelle]

Dont think I've seen it get removed by anything so far

[zenith marlin]

Fatality gets removed by DS, BoP, as well as mage freeze @muted surge

Which makes it fkn useless as a dampening slapper vs them

[muted surge]

Mhm interesting

[zenith marlin]

I wish it gave us a buff instead a debuff to the target

[lean burrow]

if you execute before enemy reaches 30% hp and your execute brings them to 30%, does fatality gets used?

[zenith marlin]

no

u must execute at or below 30%

[south kestrel]

wtf LMAO my warbringer just now was my 2nd top dam

300k

[zenith marlin]

somethings not quite right than lmao

fast game and u warbringerd a UH / Demo?

[south kestrel]

yeah really fast game against enhancement sham lol

6-0 game for me

[zenith marlin]

gj

[shut barn]

i thought they play something like mage or lock

[south kestrel]

warbringer crit for 50k 6 times

[fickle forge]

Determined by lifts

[undone pumice]

lock max 1pl8 bench

mage max 3pl8

warr min 3pl8

[late nacelle]

Also

When do they fix warbringer

Feels awful to use

[hot solstice]

Why do I still see 20k garrots? did they fake nerf?

[pure hornet]

😂😂😂😂

Best post ever

[late nacelle]

Dh is for degenerates

[frank knoll]

“Knows several women” have you ever interacted with one of those mfs?

[late nacelle]

Yes

I do not recommend

Better to stay inside your cave

[hazy isle]

Non unhinged ep is so much more fun to play

[long ridge]

I agree

Feels better. DH is not a problem for me after the nerfs.

[stiff merlin]

Wtf is earthen wall

I see it sometimes in details by warriors

[hardy wave]

Shaman totem that redirects damage.

[south kestrel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/10atbpj/arms_in_1005/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

top content

[fickle forge]

The one thing Rshams will flip at you for if you walk out of it

[ripe turtle]

is conq ring > or waist better prio for arms

[elfin surge]

Warrior Simplicity

So playing my Disc-priest tonight in RSS and the first game doors open - this arms warrior on his mount rushes over, heroic leaps behind a pillar, drops his handicap bastion and bladestorms - the entire team just nuke him and cc trained the opposition healer when the monk finally gets into LoS.

The warrior dies

Next lobby, I am paired with him - he then says in chat “that mw did no healing” and some dribble about being bad - so I corrected him and said because he was cc’d due your positioning… the warrior reply’s “thats not my problem”

This devs…. This devs is what you have created when you wealth fare a class for far too long.

My disc priest isn’t high and we were only playing at 1800mmr however this warrior should never be past 1200. But the 3 move rotation that delivers so much pressure makes it too seamless.

[frank knoll]

“I missed the part where that’s my problem”

[eager mortar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/10auc2t/venruki_reacts_to_how_broken_is_warrior_wow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[inland heart]

what order should we buy conquest gear?

and which trinkets do we get?

[coral axle]

Classes getting shield breaks exist to keep mw in the dumpster

[elfin surge]

all he had to do was port the spear while stunned then port back then gate. Instead he played on his port and didnt wall

[near delta]

Is this from reddit or the blizz forums? Lol

[frank knoll]

Warrior has always been an alt for me but Aren’t you like, not supposed to just use heroic leap Willy nilly

[coral axle]

Yeah doesn't take the biggest brain to know warrior was gonna spear there

[stiff merlin]

They're acting like most classes aren't one shotting everyone rn

[frank knoll]

Kind of use it to trade mobility

[elfin surge]

forums ofc

[near delta]

I never read those

[muted surge]

Funny how the rets dmg is the same

Idk but personally I wouldn’t use a gate to the enemy ret if I had a personal tp behind a pillar

Hope they nerf war

[zenith marlin]

that MW is just garbage kekw

He just got hit by a Spear Crit will ALL CDs Warr

and than got hit by wrecking throw + demolish into his pathetic little shield and warbringer execute

literally the ideal scenario warr

[undone pumice]

[zenith marlin]

xdxd

that MW tho

[eager mortar]

kekw

[zenith marlin]

Maybe fkn use ur disarm, stun, aoe stun

something noob

Oh also I think the warr had 2 CDs on his charge

dude had legit everything kekw

that demolish wrecking throw must have crit like 200k tho xd

[undone pumice]

mfw ppl are complaining about warrior agai

[muted surge]

5 downvotes ;(

[zenith marlin]

The dash also didn't change the warrs' uptime on him either

He just used charge, and hit wrecking throw mid charge

legit every GCD used ideally

Monk just wasted a GCD

noob

[undone pumice]

ppl complaining about the perfect scenario going perfect

[zenith marlin]

also playing MW in 3s is also noobish

[muted surge]

And got hit by the big ret thing, whatever it’s called

[zenith marlin]

Spec literally built for 2s

[undone pumice]

storm?

[zenith marlin]

Ashes something

so he got full bodied by full CD arms opener

than charged to Ret to get full bodied by full CD ret opener as well

whilist not getting away from the arms

XD

10 iq panic mode

[high sparrow]

theres also a pikaboo arms warrior clip going around where he sweeping strikes a 1600 feral / mw or something team in a spear with all cds up and they both die in spear

[zenith marlin]

Feral legit has immortality button

Called bear form

xd

[high sparrow]

yea the feral team literally just didnt press any buttons

at all

while pikaboo used everything

[muted surge]

Reckoning no? But doesn’t show in the death log

Pretty sure it hit tho

[zenith marlin]

Ashes hit at the very least

And I imagine warr had wrecking throw + demolish

Also MW is known to be shit in 3s by spec design

idk if that was 3s

Spec is legit only played good vs RM in 2s

SO I got some problems with my opener

What I usually do is:

2x Overpower > Warbreaker > Stun > Spear> Avatar/Blood Fury/Trinket > Mortal Strike > Bladestorm + Unhinged

comments?

[next parcel]

he is legit Markers, he s not thrash at all🤣🤣

[late nacelle]

Wait

[green wyvern]

I mean he misplayed really bad

[next parcel]

he didnt expect to get that much damage that s all

[late nacelle]

Are we getting

[zenith marlin]

Well he got memed in that 5 secs than

[late nacelle]

Ignore pain back???

[muted surge]

But he played wrong, so idk dude

Seems to suck

[next parcel]

he did play wrong, whatsoever he wasnt paying attention maybe, it s just a game

[muted surge]

That might be

[zenith marlin]

its just like 10 secs of 1 game so maybe ye xd

[next parcel]

but i doubt he s bad

[zenith marlin]

who doesnt have moments like that

we'all miss spears sometimes

[muted surge]

Doesn’t change the fact that he played bad

And we only have 1 clip

Gotta form an opinion quickly and agile

[zenith marlin]

he just went panic mode

[copper hare]

monk saves dampen and wall for the next game

nice

[zenith marlin]

anyway regarding my opener:

2x Overpower > Warbreaker > Stun > Spear> Avatar/Blood Fury/Trinket > Mortal Strike > Bladestorm + Unhinged
comments?

[elfin surge]

imagine being speared as a mw

just port during bolt

[frank knoll]

Yeah Mmarkers is a pretty well known healer, maybe just having an off day

[zenith marlin]

LMAO let alone disarm + stun I forgot completely about port

[hazy isle]

How come they dont cry this much bout dk n feral

[clear ember]

i have 4-set on non-pvp pieces, worth using?

[elfin surge]

port x2

while stunned

[frank knoll]

Feral is insane. Had rips ticking for 45k

Also very hard to kill

[next parcel]

i mean still he managed to not panick and play normally whilst other healers are just spamming whatever to live

[frank knoll]

Yeah he’s also a Druid main I think, doesn’t main MW

[zenith marlin]

Well druids can shut their brain and live

MWs cant

[elfin surge]

markers is not the greatest healer

[frank knoll]

Venruki,Xaryu etc, gonna get warrior nerfed anyhow

Naw not the greatest but he’s no slouch

[zenith marlin]

Xaryu doesnt complain about warrs I ant imagine

probs complains about how mages are shit

[elfin surge]

i left a reply

[hazy isle]

Based

[elfin surge]

based

[frank knoll]

Naw never admit it’s insane. Say “warrior is balanced nothing to see here folks “

[zenith marlin]

Ofg I am so tired of

stupid enviroment DC in wow

fkn fly into a tree = instant blizz DC

[hardy mortar]

30+ min queues @1700 SS, relog, change chars, etc

[zenith marlin]

which developer added DC wall to every object in the game

[hardy mortar]

i dont get it

[frank knoll]

I dc randomly on my dragon

[shy aurora]

Should i buy off pieces first with conquest?

[zenith marlin]

weapon has highest scaling but I think ppl should consider value as well

Chance of weapon dropping in vault is 2/35 per slot

if ur arms even more

[turbid ember]

The stats are balanced around conquest cost, get weapon first then rest doesn't matter other than tier afaik

[zenith marlin]

if u specced arms chances of wepaon dropping in vault is 2/32

[shy aurora]

i have weapon

[turbid ember]

Then if it's not tier then just upgrade whatever gives you your best secondary stat

[zenith marlin]

Chances of a weapon not dropping given u spec arms and have all 3 pvp slots open for 4 weeks is 0.46

Given it requires 3 weeks of CP to get a weapon its almost idiotic to waste CP on weapon

8 weeks and chance of not getting vault weapon falls to -21%

[shy aurora]

maybe i should get neck because of sockets

[turbid ember]

I'd rather not have mediocre arenas for weeks on end

[zenith marlin]

Except you will have more pices than ppl who have weapons

[shy aurora]

only way to get tier is in vault?

[zenith marlin]

pieces*

On Jan 23rd reset any piece will be convertable to a tier piece

@shy aurora

[undone pumice]

on jan 23rd we get ignore pain

[zenith marlin]

Also @wintry oxide chances of getting a weapon in vault little more than 50% after 4 weeks

Whereas 4 weeks of conquest yeilds like what

2k CP?

[hidden herald]

do we like

[zenith marlin]

its a waste

of CP

[hidden herald]

ever press slam as arms?

[turbid ember]

The rest of the gear is just stats. The weapon brings meaningful damage outside stats.

[zenith marlin]

not rly weapon dmg is just a stat

Change in melee dmg is immaterial

eventually vault RNG of getting an upgrade will fall which will make CP more valuable

to fill in missing peices

[turbid ember]

Talking value when it's gambling lol

[ruby peak]

hi, is it difficult to grind fighter 1 as a dumb pve player ? the haste proc strenght trinket sims high and feels interesting to me but pvp is not my cup of tee

[turbid ember]

If you want to gamble then wait on your weapon, if you don't then buy it. How's that for a middle-ground

[undone pumice]

fighter 1

wtf

[elfin surge]

fighter 1

[turbid ember]

Is MUD fighter 1 yet?

[undone pumice]

mud have u hit fighter 1

@ruby peak explain yourself

wtf is fighter 1

[ruby peak]

maybe i'm translating it badly from french

[elfin surge]

are u french tollkun?

yea i knew it

[ruby peak]

🥖

[elfin surge]

is that challenger?

1600?

[ruby peak]

the lowest ranked rank

[elfin surge]

combatant

[ruby peak]

y

[coral axle]

is that 1200? I think any dumb pve players can hit it as long as u dont have 300 ping

[ruby peak]

just to upgrade the trinket 385

[undone pumice]

• one arm

[feral heath]

Its all fun and games talking about how EaSy spear, all CDs BS is. But just looking at the ladder and the first warrior is on rank 58th or something. All other classes are above us.

[undone pumice]

stfu

git gud

[elfin surge]

39

man i cant wait to be S tier next patch

[late nacelle]

Ignore pain

Is for real?

Saved by the light?

[feral heath]

Maybe I just looked on EU

[turbid ember]

Yep, going in the arms tree as of now

[late nacelle]

All will tremble before us

[stiff merlin]

Praise garrosh

[feral heath]

Not as OP as for prot though

[coral axle]

11 sec cd instead of 1 sec

[elfin surge]

NA has more melee cleavers

[ruby peak]

seems logical

[turbid ember]

SS with only melee is what healers dread

[feral heath]

👍

[pure hornet]

What should i target first? In solo shuffle mostly? Mage,samman, ? Witch classes are best to target mosf

Most*

[elfin surge]

that is impossible to answer

[turbid ember]

No it's not

It depends. Easy.

[shy aurora]

How much % haste should i aim for as arms?

[turbid ember]

10-15% seems to be the consensus

[slender lion]

i see what u mean about arms damage in pvp, wow

[craggy socket]

DOWN 300 FUCKING RATING IN SOLO

WTF

FUCK THIS GAME

I get fucking focused every single game

[steel trout]

just live!

[craggy socket]

11 more days ignore pain

cant wait

[shy aurora]

From what rating you loose 300

[craggy socket]

1856

[late nacelle]

Im hardstuck 500 rating on my outlaw rogue

Hardstuck 2.2k on warr

Mmr on rogue so bad

[craggy socket]

I swear lower rating games are harder

so many fucking retards

[late nacelle]

I went 4-2 and lost rating

Every round is literally someone walking up and getting oneshot in 1 second at that rating

Ppl know how to do dmg somewhat

[craggy socket]

Yup nobody can live

or heal

[late nacelle]

But they will also facetank everything LoS nothing but their healers and use no defensives

[craggy socket]

im not that good either but yeah

[late nacelle]

Its a completely different game from playing on my warr

[fallen acorn]

Are there classes that we do not ever disarm? Is it a waste on casters? Healers?

[late nacelle]

Dont bother with disarm

Its a dishonorable talent

And not fun

[fallen acorn]

That’s not what I asked.

[late nacelle]

Yes

Its useless vs casters

Useless vs many melees too

[hot solstice]

Useless vs ww and pretty much vs udk

[steel trout]

Vs dh too but u can prob get away with it on lower cr

[late nacelle]

Its good against warr

Most other melees can still do something

[fallen acorn]

So staff wearers essentially it’s a waste.

[hot solstice]

Probably not that strong on assa anymore cause dots will it u alive anyway

[steel trout]

Yes

[late nacelle]

Its good vs warr and outlaw rogue, thats it. Rest can work around it

[severe skiff]

It's good to disarm DHs on essence break, forces a retreat if they have it, fucks them if they dont.

[hot solstice]

Forgot sub and fdk

[fallen acorn]

Ret?

[late nacelle]

Crusader strike

Rest useable

Its just a bad talent

[fallen acorn]

But won’t the damage be a lot less?

[late nacelle]

U take it vs other warrs if u wanna be a noob

Thats it

[fallen acorn]

We’ll disarm has won me several games at 1800 in 2s. And I get disarmed all day in that bracket. So I have to disagree with you.

[hot solstice]

So basically duel death sentence shadow off colossus and reflect/rally pvp talents r useless

[late nacelle]

So

[hot solstice]

I love arms class designer

[late nacelle]

If im above 1800 and dont use it

[brazen rock]

Duel isn't useless.

[late nacelle]

Does that mean im right

[brazen rock]

Rally isn't useless

[steel trout]

yes disarm is very good

[late nacelle]

Nah man

[coral axle]

wait what

[late nacelle]

Reject disarm

[late nacelle]

I wanted to be a cool pirate with guns didnt pan out too well

[coral axle]

how many games have you played to still be 500?

[late nacelle]

Ehh like 7?

[coral axle]

oh ok lol

was gonna say no way pirate is the most dogshit ever right

[late nacelle]

It is very bad

I must say

Done around 2k games on my warr so far

Havent faced a single outlaw rogue