pvp

[lethal kestrel]

so better with versa main stat and then smaller stat of crit

[quaint snow]

and 1 time you could make the primary stat + versa one

[lethal kestrel]

ty!

[quaint snow]

https://check-pvp.fr/ranking/eu/all-realms/all-factions/all-classes/71/rateatm3v3/desc/1

you know that site? Pretty good

[lethal kestrel]

nice

[quaint snow]

you can browse trough diff srnorys

[lethal kestrel]

no i dont visit france sites before

[quaint snow]

Armorys

[lethal kestrel]

ty alot man

i give u MVP emblem

[quaint snow]

just click on the toons name and it directs you to wow armory

[grand scaffold]

anybody having success with fatality in solo shuffle?

[undone pumice]

no

dont use it

it sucks

[lethal kestrel]

Ty

[grand scaffold]

what are you using vs a lot of pets

[undone pumice]

warlords torment + exploiter

[zenith marlin]

fkn devoker

keeps 40k dps on me

wtf

how it that idiot not glad

If I kept 40k dps as arms id be god

[pseudo star]

Why skrimish arena and solo shuffle doesnt count for weekly "Proving in arenas" o_O

blizzard really thinks someone will premade with me for 2v2 or 3v3?: D

[grand scaffold]

can i run warlords torment with unhinged

blademaster feels goofy

[undone pumice]

ye

[sterile carbon]

isnt fatality getting buffed

or did get buffed

[undone pumice]

idk it sucks rn

its nerfed in pvp still no?

[thorn herald]

They're making the debuff last for 2 minutes instead of 1 so hopefully that bitch raszageth doesn't fuck you over in that fight

[sterile carbon]

oh

[wheat crane]

Yea

Lowkey blademasters feels dumb af unless youre going full send cleaving

[grand scaffold]

yah

not fun at al

all*

[undone pumice]

thata the point of unhinged inshallah

[sterile carbon]

queue is fucked again

[slender lion]

How is fury turboshit now? Lol

[sterile carbon]

35 min queue, go in, draw, leave. great

[zenith marlin]

could be worse

could be 35 min queue into Blade Edge Arena

also fk mugadambala

horrible map

[grand scaffold]

i once had a 2hr draw

[grand scaffold]

potato dmg

potato mortal strike

potato rotation

[slender lion]

Arms really the better spec now? Even survivability?

[rancid granite]

"better"

[quaint snow]

surva wise fury is still better but soon arms get ignore pain back

[rancid granite]

if you like fury play fury its all playstyle and comp 🙏

[elfin surge]

i actually think fury is unplayable rn

its so garbage

[quaint snow]

xD

[elfin surge]

arms is infinitely better

[rancid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/primus-gif-18358679

if the devil exist @elfin surge it's because larry lalonde summoned him with his guitar playing

[slender lion]

I've got arms set up. I seen the IP for arms. Gonna be nice. Think ill start now so I can get the prio down before 10.0.5

[quaint snow]

mud just wants fury solo shuffle r1 for himself

[elfin surge]

i have officially quit fury and am playing 100% only arms

(for now)

[quaint snow]

(RIP)

[rancid granite]

same - but only because a 2nd weapon is a lot of conq points

[elfin surge]

entire 3s ladder swapped to arms

fury is no more

yet

1300 players still call for fury nerfs

[sly walrus]

nerf fury

[copper crown]

guys

where can i check a nice guide for beginner fury warrior?

wowhead and icyveins are very strange

[feral heath]

Arms*

[shut barn]

Pls dont advertise fury as a dead spec

unless u really want arms to get nerfed

[stuck mulch]

arms will only get buffed

[feral heath]

[rancid granite]

git gud if you think fury is dead

[stuck mulch]

ip is coming

[shut barn]

@elfin surge

[rancid granite]

1v1 mud???

[shut barn]

is that a thing ?

[elfin surge]

fury is dead

[shut barn]

like if u beat someone in 1v1 means u are a better pvp player or better dueler

?

like i had a sub rogue friend in SL and he was around 1600

[rancid granite]

i dunno lmao

[rancid granite]

its a warrior thing to flex and wrestle 1 on 1 ok

[shut barn]

Screenshots

[elfin surge]

yes

[shut barn]

what about death knights?

kill living and make them ur pet ?

thats how they flex irl i guess

[rancid granite]

lmao yeah you lose youre a pet ghoul for a day

[shut barn]

what do druids do ?

[stuck mulch]

peg em

[shut barn]

how many trees that u had sex with today ?

theyre like i fucked 5 trees today XD

[brazen night]

maple syrup is babies

[crisp mesa]

For Arms: Is it better to keep 2pc tier set using normal raid pve gear (hands + legs) or fill those slots with conq pieces instead and lose out on the tier bonus

[dense rover]

Any good arms warrior streamers or youtubers i can check out to learn and get macros?

[rancid granite]

bahjeera rox

[elfin surge]

dekel

[ripe turtle]

what crit should u aim for as arms?

outside arena

[grand scaffold]

same

i found it more playable in sl s2

nerfing mortal strike the way they did was such an oof

[spice hornet]

spriest still feels incredibly tanky

[elfin surge]

dipi shadow priest doesnt think so

[dense rover]

cant find any dekel, haha am i just bad at googling?

[spice hornet]

spriest players delusional

[dense rover]

ty

is 24% crit too much?

[turbid ember]

Too much he says

[torpid roost]

How is he pretending somebody is "Stat bugging", lol

[long ridge]

Guys this class did more damage in another situation, must be a hacker

[elfin surge]

it was a bug in legion

with artifact relics

[full quiver]

Good

[mystic barn]

cope

[knotty tangle]

are EU queus down again?

[stuck mulch]

@elfin surge do u run set in pvp now as arms? if so how many

[torpid roost]

gotcha, lol, I actively played legion and I didn't know about this

[elfin surge]

there were a few bugs during legion. An enchant bug that would infinitely stack main stat bug got patched early in the xpan

then the relic one which never got fixed

[elfin surge]

i do not have any tier

[full quiver]

How you not have 2pc on 7 warriors

[turbid ember]

Don't do him like that

[modest rapids]

its been like what 4 vault weeks? and like 50 different items can drop

[stuck mulch]

do u think its worth running tier? idk how much it would weaken u in pvp

[elfin surge]

the 2 set for arms is basically required

[stuck mulch]

hmm i see good thing i got it last night

[proper sequoia]

I think you're talking about running pve set?

As in ilvl 390ish

[modest rapids]

ew

[proper sequoia]

thats what I thought until like yesterday when i found out theres a fucking pvp version of the set with RNGODS luck

[stuck mulch]

u can get set in m+ aswell

[proper sequoia]

yeah but not pvp version?

[stuck mulch]

whats the difference?

[proper sequoia]

Pvp version scales to 424 ilvl

[stuck mulch]

ooh it got the pvp scale i see

yea dats pretty nice

[modest rapids]

yeah that only drops from Vault, or is there a different way of obtaining?

[stuck mulch]

only vault same with m+

but next week we get catalysts iirc

so u can get set pvp that way i gues

[craggy socket]

10.0.5 jan 24th confirmed

[torpid roost]

my tier pieces are the worst ones for pvp

helm and gloves, pve, mythic and heroic, respectively, but, jesus christ, that set bonus is incredible

[dapper cypress]

guys
as arms first ring or neck
on which stat should i go?
haste or crit
trying my luck as arms

[molten dagger]

i would go crit

[sly walrus]

Catalyst will come with 0.5 patch

[foggy matrix]

whats the arms build for pvp

[forest roost]

Anyone got some uptodate talent trees for protection pvp? icyveins is a bit older, pre-patch only :/

[quick carbon]

Prot

[torpid roost]

What's the rate of acquisition for the catalysts?

or, what was it, obviously that could change with DF

[spice hornet]

spri ele spri ele spri ele spri ele

[thorn herald]

paying for the sins of buying ur wpvp set

and ur shitty paladin mog

[woven maple]

Arms or fury for shuff

[thorn herald]

ive had so much success as prot recently

people really sleeping on it

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkkkkkSJJBAAAAEEJJNkAQ0olIRSoJRQAIRCAAAAAAAAJIBAA

this build rinses as prot

bananas damage

[autumn saffron]

Queues fucked on EU?

[steep inlet]

lol yossarion

[thorn herald]

its pretty good man

[craggy socket]

In what sitatuions do you guys take warbreaker?

over CS?

Double melee?

[brazen rock]

Kill him through it.

[scenic maple]

Usually SS > CS that scenario

[thorn herald]

whenever theres a class that summons pets

too many sweeping strikes get eaten by xuen or some random ass pet

[craggy socket]

What do you mean by that?

[scenic maple]

so like double melee with UH DK?

[scenic maple]

Sweeping Strikes into Colossal Smash

[thorn herald]

if its classes that dont summon a ton of npcs use blunt instruments

if they summon a lot of pets go with warbreaker

[zenith marlin]

ngl i use my 415 pve set piece

for pvp

its got vers

[craggy socket]

How do I survive against retard feral, dh, and fury?

[zenith marlin]

are u arms

[spice hornet]

This meta isn’t fun

[craggy socket]

I am arms

Tanked from 1865 to 1600

[zenith marlin]

me too

[craggy socket]

and im just fucking getting wrecked

[zenith marlin]

cuz I didnt play pvp in 2 weeks

got work and shit

than I tankt tday

[craggy socket]

How do I live

I mean

im using d stance

parry

idk mabye im missing something

[autumn saffron]

When I got to 1800 it seemed people had figured out to target arms warriors, not a very fun experience

[craggy socket]

Yeah its hard to survive

does anyone gem stam/vers gems

[warm portal]

Don't do that

[worthy fern]

@craggy socket just gotta play better

As arms you have to play twice as good as everyone else to go positive

[pale minnow]

small indie company not capable of fixing servers

[pure hornet]

Guyz

What weak auras import should i use?

Kek’s is it ok?

Or mes?

[elfin surge]

bad

[pure hornet]

?

[pure hornet]

Bad?

[elfin surge]

@spice hornet is bad

[tardy timber]

hi mud i am stuck 1900 arms warrior solo shuffle how do i get bigger?

[pale minnow]

MAN WHAT IS GOING ON!?

how am I waiting 20 min for a 3v3

[autumn saffron]

not even bg queues are poping

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge ur so bad orchilles put you on a shirt on his alt dh

Nub

[elfin surge]

gym

[elfin surge]

who?

[pure hornet]

Lol😂

[craggy socket]

Whats good build to play with Ret Paladin?

Unhindged? I saw some people running other builds

[paper oracle]

just press spear on two targets and let your ret do the rest

[spice hornet]

#1 furry warrior NA in shadowlands

Orchillez

Your mentor

[elfin surge]

Asked

[craggy socket]

Hey mud what would you play with ret

🙏

[elfin surge]

i wouldnt

ret war is a primitive comp

[craggy socket]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gaming-gif-22535611

IF you had too tho

forced into ape mode

[elfin surge]

like what tho

u asking healer?

or talents

spec

[grand scaffold]

orchillez is a really good warrior

[craggy socket]

Talents

[elfin surge]

the standard ms build i suppose

[craggy socket]

Which is unhindged im guessing?

[elfin surge]

everything else is situational

[elfin surge]

ye unless pets

[craggy socket]

Apperciate it my man

I saw you were playing fatality

hows that going

[elfin surge]

yea it feels good

[grand scaffold]

are you playing blademaster?

and whats your opinion on rend

[elfin surge]

i was fighting rdruid turbo and dropped bladestorm to play fatality and executioners precision for max single target damage, felt good.

[elfin surge]

god no

i hate that talent

[grand scaffold]

same

[thorn herald]

lol im curious how many stacks do you get

[grand scaffold]

its so whacky

do you like rend?

[elfin surge]

good but does no damage, its a filler and rage spender to reset csmash and fish for tactician procs

[grand scaffold]

ok

is it worth running?

seems nice to me but idk

[elfin surge]

randomly got a 7 stack on laros from sweeping and it proced for a 55k and killed him during a swap. Actually won the game, he wouldve lived.

[thorn herald]

it just feels so bad

70% nerf

but thats funny

poor laros

[elfin surge]

yea games are too fast to stack it but vs some things i kinda like it

[open glacier]

What is the Focus against eleshaman-disc? We are rdruid arms and having issues there in 2s

[grand scaffold]

ok

[thorn herald]

yeah i figure

[grand scaffold]

im struggling vs dk's atm

[thorn herald]

can be a pain because its 30% tho

not 35%

[grand scaffold]

you got any tips?

[elfin surge]

kill them

[grand scaffold]

im disarming them whenever i see dark transformation

focus the dk?

ok

is it worth focusing locks atm

demo doesnt feel like its worth focusing

destro does dmg anyways

and i dont see aff enough

[elfin surge]

i dont really play disarm into dks in 3s

[grand scaffold]

in solo shuffle btw

oh ok

what do you play

[elfin surge]

depends on their dps i guess

usually sharpen warbringer banner

[grand scaffold]

ok

when do i use banner exactly

during enemy opener?

when we dying

btoh

both*

or something else

[elfin surge]

when enemy dh about to aoe stun us. So yeah pretty much opener

[grand scaffold]

ok cool

[torpid roost]

I usually use it with damage cooldowns anticipating that they'll try to peel me

[grand scaffold]

how often can i drop bladestorm btw

[undone pumice]

every 1 min with storm

[grand scaffold]

is it like a good idea vs pet classes where i cant run unhinged

[undone pumice]

every 1.5 w/o

[grand scaffold]

or do i need it anyway

[undone pumice]

uhh usually bladestorm to avoid preeictable cc in burst window/preeict enemy cc like disarm in burst and bs instead of spear for example

[elfin surge]

yea im experimenting dropping bladestorm some games.

[grand scaffold]

well im on 300ms so like predicting cc is like

no

[fickle forge]

Heresy

Ban this man

[mild thunder]

wannabe fury player

[grand scaffold]

👋

[fickle forge]

👋

[elfin surge]

[grand scaffold]

hru

[grand scaffold]

what are you dropping it against atm

[sage raptor]

I miss conq banner

All the covenant abilities were great tbh

[mild thunder]

no

[fickle forge]

Dead

[sage raptor]

Yes

[fickle forge]

OHP heavy today

[grand scaffold]

whats wrong

sorry to ask

tf is ohp

[elfin surge]

was trying it vs an rdruid turbo

[sage raptor]

I'm not sorry to ask. Wtf is ohp

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/workout-exercise-weightlifting-overhead-press-thats-tuff-gif-16098537

[grand scaffold]

was it worth dropping?

[elfin surge]

bladestorming multiple disarms still didnt move the game in our favor.

didnt seem worth

[fickle forge]

How is getting disarmed gonna help doe? 🤔

[zenith marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQmrZXewToE

LMAO

[elfin surge]

fatality stacks 💀💀

[crude bane]

devoker or afflock for reroll any thoughts for solo content ?

[zenith marlin]

ah yes 10k each stack aint they stronk

WHY TF IS FATALITY SO DANG NERFED IN PVP T^T

[elfin surge]

they dont want execute to execute people

[mild thunder]

because otherwise it'd be a retardedly strong mechanic

[zenith marlin]

ikr

[grand scaffold]

do you like fatality?

[mild thunder]

basically 35% ToD

[elfin surge]

yea

[fickle forge]

Mud's a damp boi

[elfin surge]

cant play it much tho

[fickle forge]

Get 200 stacks and then end with Fatality

[zenith marlin]

Well i think EXECUTE sounds more deadlfy than TOtUCh off DeAth

[elfin surge]

quite the opposite

[fickle forge]

Damp B O I

[zenith marlin]

If I dont win within the first 30 seconds

[grand scaffold]

how come

[zenith marlin]

I lose or exit

[elfin surge]

better talents

[undone pumice]

dawg i stopped ohping after i dinged my chin one too many times

[grand scaffold]

oh

even vs pets?

[zenith marlin]

lmao

[undone pumice]

i just do them with dumbells now so i can just drop em on a poor soul next to me

[zenith marlin]

i legit do slow push ups for chest only rn

sometimes on inclined

[undone pumice]

but no gym 6 weeks now cuz of surgery very sad

[fickle forge]

Frankly that's a skill issue

[undone pumice]

the calisthenics abuser

[fickle forge]

Drop em' on the crossfitters

[elfin surge]

the only time i played fatality is when i completely dropped bladestorm out of pure desperation to find a strat that worked after being farmed.

[undone pumice]

my gym bans crossfitters unironically

[zenith marlin]

i did that too Mud

[undone pumice]

[zenith marlin]

it was beatiful

a build that rewards zug zug

[fickle forge]

Sounds like something @wheat jay would do

[zenith marlin]

a build that rewards funnel vision

[fickle forge]

The reverse-Planet Fitness

[zenith marlin]

T^T

[fickle forge]

😎👍

[undone pumice]

tru

all theequipment has been abused heavily

[zenith marlin]

Yo a devoker melted me down in 10 secs

[undone pumice]

there isnt one plate that isnt rusty or scratched up lmao

[zenith marlin]

???

why is hentai lizard doing dmg

[warm portal]

Noob dying to hentai lizard

[fickle forge]

If they 💸 they 🔥

[elfin surge]

17/18 of the teams shown here are healed by an rdruid.

is rdruid good? i just cant tell...

[fickle forge]

Breath into insta breath

Useless another 2 min

[mild thunder]

wasnt even buffed with OP

[zenith marlin]

Resto Druid doesnt have 50% win rate which means Resto has room for improvement

[undone pumice]

how 2 fite evoker guide

tell them they are extinct for 60 milliom years already

[zenith marlin]

Holy Pala had 50% win rate in SL S2

Cuz there was no other healers in the ladder XdXDXDxd

Blizz balancing

[undone pumice]

hpriest in sl was also

[fickle forge]

These are all boomkins, I watched the discord stream

[undone pumice]

the 20s cd fly

[elfin surge]

thats kap

[rancid granite]

what'd you think of it I just swapped myself about to give it a go

[zenith marlin]

They should make Charge charge vertically too NGL

Grommash does it

[undone pumice]

nah

[zenith marlin]

its in the lore

[elfin surge]

well it won the game

so idk

[undone pumice]

that would be a leap

let us leap into the air with no target

[zenith marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/gromash-hell-scream-axe-wo-w-warcraft-gif-12863749

[undone pumice]

bismillah now we are double jumping fr fr

[zenith marlin]

They need to make this an ability

[flat dome]

Should make charge leave a trail of fire like it used to

[warm portal]

Pretty sure there's still a glyph that does that

[zenith marlin]

Grommash rly be hitting execute there for 100M crit from 100% hp

[flat dome]

Wut

[undone pumice]

Bomba charge, charge the enemy dealing 300% AP dmg and unllugging their wifi

glyph of the blazing charge/savior

makes ur charge / intervene leave fire trail

[flat dome]

I know. I mean glyphs aren't a thing anymore

[undone pumice]

also glyph off alling thunder makes your leap come down with fucking lightning

[rancid granite]

they're on ah for like 50g lol

[sage raptor]

Speaking of glyphs, we're suppose to get more glyphs this expac.

[turbid ember]

Make charge stun someone if they'd get knocked into a wall

[rancid granite]

they need new ones tho

[undone pumice]

they should fix the deep wounds glyph

its prot only despite deep wounds being an arms only spell

[sage raptor]

Prot has it too

[zenith marlin]

they should remove deepwounds

[turbid ember]

I didn't know glyphs we're still a thing. They just cosmetic?

[undone pumice]

i wanr TURBO BLOOD deep woonz

[zenith marlin]

make mastery just increase dmg

[undone pumice]

ye

[zenith marlin]

Act I love deepwounds

nvm

[elfin surge]

fr tho
can we get safeguard back blizzard??

[zenith marlin]

how else do I kill rogues

[undone pumice]

not the forbidden one

[turbid ember]

Overpower

[zenith marlin]

When will Overpower crit 100k

:S:S:S:S

[undone pumice]

can we get magic mirror as a pvp talent but make it reflect all spells for 5 sec?

[sage raptor]

Tomorrow

[zenith marlin]

When will we get an overpower stack everytime enemy dodges

[turbid ember]

Give it a few patches and it will

[zenith marlin]

:S::S:S:S\

[undone pumice]

leapshould be a bit more heroic

make it loider

RRAAAAAH

[sage raptor]

I want a super hero landing

[zenith marlin]

Leap should stun for 6 seconds and do 100k dmg

and explode the ground

[elfin surge]

leap should kill everything i land on

[zenith marlin]

and be only on GCD

So we can play whack a mole

[fickle forge]

Heroic Flee, as we called it in BFA destro meta 😎👍

[turbid ember]

Only if I can glyph it so I leap and fall on my face

[flat dome]

Leap should disconnect the warrior and whoever it damages

[zenith marlin]

how do warlocks run faster than warriors man

all warrs do is run

warlocks are fat

and slow

[undone pumice]

give us that 3 charge heroic leap thing from sl

[elfin surge]

it does

[undone pumice]

leaper

[zenith marlin]

ngl game needs stamina as a stat for running

[undone pumice]

fucking ZOOM

[elfin surge]

dude i got charge dcd twice yesterday

not a fan

[zenith marlin]

bruh I recall having a 3 hour arena game in cata

I had to pee in a thai express box

anyway tmi

[undone pumice]

i got pillar dcd today

[elfin surge]

[undone pumice]

[flat dome]

They don't make it like it used to. Back in the day, a pebble would disconnect you

[undone pumice]

me when i look at pillar too hard and it dcs me right as we say fuck it and i stand in the desd fucking center of nagrand

[zenith marlin]

sometimes DH's brains go error

[quaint snow]

thats the spirit xD

[zenith marlin]

and I kill them in 3 GCDs

[undone pumice]

wouldnt it leak if u piss in a thai express box?

[zenith marlin]

i didnt care I was 12 or smth

[turbid ember]

Heroic leap going up the z-axis was a miracle

[undone pumice]

i personally whenver i have to piss while uber gaming just piss my pants like a real man

[craggy socket]

are disc priests getting 2 pain sups next patch?

[zenith marlin]

legit heroic leap made blade edge bearable

[undone pumice]

blade's edge arena my fucking hated

i hate that stupid fat ogre cunt up there

[zenith marlin]

and then they brought in MUGADAMBALAA

[undone pumice]

moogamboogala close second

[zenith marlin]

atleast no pillar

[grand scaffold]

i hate blades edge arena

worst one 100%

[zenith marlin]

I'd prefer both blade edge and mugadambala over the stupid bastion kyrian 10000 brightness arena tho

i just leave game

its just 4 pillars too like same format as any just MAX BRIGHTNES

after a 4 hr arena spam it burns into my skull

[fickle forge]

Average fury warrior complaint

[zenith marlin]

im arms tho

rip

got 25% crit

[limber pike]

Question why are many top players taking sword over polearm? Polearm has better top end? Is it just the crit from the sword.

[wet scarab]

man I'm really enjoying the fatal mark build against rot comps with longer matches. Played a game against an afflock MW team that lasted way too long but ended when I landed a 125k execute followed by a 75k fatal mark

[zenith marlin]

I wish fatalmark just procced instantly when enemy hit 30%

[wet scarab]

it doesn't?

[zenith marlin]

no u gotta execute under 30%

[wet scarab]

ah

it does feel good though to have a bladestorm that actually feels like it does damage rather than just as a root break in SL

[sharp meteor]

Crit good for arms

Mastery good for fury but fury not good

[zenith marlin]

and then there is wotlk bladestorm

taking mfs 100-0 in 4 ticks

[flat dome]

Cause it had a much better tooltip

[turbid ember]

If I globaled poorly on my lock against a warrior then I was in a world of hurt

Trying to do lock in wotlk was a mistake

They good, I'm just bad

[wet scarab]

is there a reason people just aren't taking bitter immunity on arms or are there situations where you are? like against rogues and such

wondering what to give up for it

[turbid ember]

People don't take BI?

[wet scarab]

I've seen a lot of top builds without it

[turbid ember]

They probably harassing their healer

I can't pop any defensives if I don't spec any, healers adjust.

[warm portal]

The heal isn't that good because it gets neutered by damp, its often taken for what is dispels

[wet scarab]

what do you give up for it though

maybe one of the haste points

[grand scaffold]

a keybind

[worthy fern]

Bi blows it heals for nothing and dispels nothing relevant on a long ass cd

[grand scaffold]

i dont particularly like it

im playing dark iron anyways

[warm portal]

[grand scaffold]

bro

everytime i see that photo

i hear sigma music in my head

😂

[wheat crane]

Lol ret obliterating ppl, forums are gonna implode

Love to see it.

[grand scaffold]

they need a fat nerf

and we need a fat ality buff

[wheat crane]

Eh let em have fun for a bit

Class is like the least fun spec in the game

[grand scaffold]

0_0

[slender plume]

If I swap fury -> arms how much crit am I looking to have in pvp

[grand scaffold]

i find ret super fun

[grand scaffold]

prob just have like a bit of haste like 10% and go the rest crit

[slender plume]

Problem is I have so much haste rn from fury

Like in my fury spec rn without changing my gems/chants and whatnot I am 11% crit, 17% haste, 21% mast, 27% vers

[wheat crane]

Haste is fine

Just pick up crit from now on

[slender plume]

Those stats are out of an arena btw, surely a bit higher when scaled up

[warm portal]

Yeah you'll be fine. Just move into more crit pieces where it makes sense

[slender plume]

Sounds good ty

[flat dome]

Did some twos with a random ret. He blew people up, but also got blown up. When I asked him if he even bubbled, he responded with "No gas, no brakes"

[stuck mulch]

so he just stands still :hmm

[flat dome]

Nah, he kills the other person before dying himself.

Then I die going 1v1 against a resto druid cause they outheal my damage but I can't outheal theirs

[zenith marlin]

lmao

killed this "ArEnA mASatER" hunter 3 times in a row 1v1

Titles dont protect against 150k MS

[stuck mulch]

but he has no gas :hmm

[zenith marlin]

ugh

cramped my fkn shoulder in middle of arena

[flat dome]

At least you didn't spill hot Ramen on your crotch

[zenith marlin]

oooft

free birth control

well

paid with pain

[flat dome]

Just ignore pain

[zenith marlin]

lol

[flat dome]

Ba dum tsh

[cinder thorn]

I thought arms changes would be out by now what's eta

[coral axle]

I saw that 0. 5 wa supposed to be out by end of Jan but it may be later

[coral axle]

"winter"

[proper sequoia]

Its already confirmed to the 24th

Of January

[fickle forge]

Shuffle seems stable

[craggy socket]

Wow forums never lie

[fickle forge]

The purest source

[flat dome]

People don't want to admit to leaving so the "game bugged out" lol

[torpid roost]

1. People lie
2. Game is buggy

[mild thunder]

its already announced for jan 24

[torpid roost]

But, I've disconnected in matches and stayed in

So

[tropic wave]

I mean I haven't been able to join PvP brawl since reset and I've heard of raids randomly disbanding, I don't think they're necessarily lying

[torpid roost]

The disband bug might fuck them, yeah

[zenith marlin]

games buggy asf

we need wow 2 ngl

imagine what mumbo jumno the games coding is atm

[torpid roost]

Unreal 6 based WoW2

[mild thunder]

wow 2 will be released at the same time as wc4

[zenith marlin]

Wc4: Sylvanas

[torpid roost]

Given that it's running on circa 2002 tech written mostly by Chinese people

Probably a spaghetti shitmess by now

[mild thunder]

they should literally pick up at the end of wc3 and retcon the entirety of wow lore

[torpid roost]

Could just make a strategy game that runs parallel to wow campaigns

Neat tie in, exposition mechanism, and mutual profit generator/hype generator

On the other hand we saw how they made wc3refunded

[crude bane]

warrior cant car ry shit in solo tf

carry*

[tropic wave]

At least that got a balance patch a month ago, they remembered it exists

[fickle forge]

Shuffle warr is good doe

[crude bane]

i feel like i cant no shit

do *

[fickle forge]

Your kit is insane

[slender plume]

I mean Mud fucks around in some solo shuffle clearly and as fury too, curious to see what arms will do

[fickle forge]

Warr is versatile af

[copper hare]

It actually is a bug, for some reason queues and instanced pvp is fucked every wednesday so far

[crude bane]

best feature and worst at the same time

[fickle forge]

Sometimes it's hard to believe that I pay money for this product

[crude bane]

bliizard are so good to fuck every good things they create

this is some kind of art

[coral axle]

Ye they get props for running like 4 franchises into the ground

Have been enjoying df though

[next parcel]

yo hello guys, i m kinda in a all spec challenge to rival this season and here it comes to war

how is it to go shuffle with arms maybe?

[coral axle]

Rival is 1800 right?

[next parcel]

is it ez?

ye

[coral axle]

All specs mean ur doing both lol

[next parcel]

meant classes

xd not specs

[coral axle]

And yes it is easy warrior is great for sub 1800, just full tunnel pve people down

U can do fury as well, the issue with its damage being easy to heal isn't a problem when the healers have two gluesticks up their nose

[slender plume]

Bruh I have fun in shuffle but I feel like I go against 422 ilvl people each round lol

I was running as 419 fury warr

[lean burrow]

fundamentals are same for every class

[coral axle]

The difference from 419 to 422 is like nothing if u have wep

[lean burrow]

trade cds, cc team

don't line your healer

good positioning

[next parcel]

I mean I just finished on rdruid and preservation and by that Im just so done with healing in shuffle

I just wanna feel a little fun

[tropic wave]

Sharpen blade to be even more done with healing

[next parcel]

the thing im mostly scared of is, everytime i came across a war, they all say to focus wars

[lean burrow]

if you got range class on your team and you get focused

it's good

[coral axle]

It's kinda sacrilegious to say this here but just go fury, it's harder to train and it's main weakness isn't really a weakness at low rating

[next parcel]

so yea, as a newbie war, im kinda scared of being focused and dying each round while healer wont dispel any slow

[lean burrow]

your teammate pves and you win

[coral axle]

I got 1900 on fury nearly immediately despite no prior warrior experience

[tropic wave]

You got Hella defensives

[next parcel]

why i wanted to go arms was cause of the one shots i saw u can manage to do

literally there were some games i didnt even put my shroud on evoker up, and the arms in my party was already 1m dmg on details

with a kill

[flat dome]

Shuffle warrior is incredibly dependent on having a healer that understands you need to be babysat.

[mild thunder]

why do people get so mad when you kill them in pvp WQs

[scarlet barn]

Kill the ducks dude

Smh

[mild thunder]

same lock also accused me of being fotm... a warlock... accused me... of fotm

[scarlet barn]

Might be hardcore warlock main since alpha

[mild thunder]

he's a hardcore retard since birth ngl

i told him i was gonna come back and farm him so he left the quest zone

[wheat jay]

Did you farm him?

[mild thunder]

nah he ran away before i could get him

average wpvper

[flat dome]

Reminds me of timeless isle

Really wish I saved all the rage tells back then. Could of made a collage.

[mystic barn]

kill him again

[steep fjord]

What is the stat priority for fury warrior

pvp

[mint dagger]

Just got my alt warr to 70 any one know how much honor to buy the full set?

[lucid walrus]

like 11k in all

[mild thunder]

Okay it needs to be said - the execute delay with the new animation sucks ass and I want the old one back

The animation itself is pretty cool, but it feels janky as fuck

[wheat jay]

Agreed

Fuck condemn

All my homies hate condemn

[mild thunder]

Tbh all the pre-legion animations were better

Old ww > new ww
Old ms > new ms
Old exe > new exe
Old bladestorm > new bladestorm

[wheat jay]

Ms and bladestorm is fine

Exe is fine too

Massacre/condemn is not fine

[thorn herald]

Nah

Wish we could use the old racial animation for ms

[wheat jay]

Subjective

[mild thunder]

Old human animation for ms was cool

Huge jumping swing

Felt way cooler than a little swing you give them now

[onyx vale]

wish we could use the old models for everything

male tauren and orc are unplayable

[mild thunder]

Male nelf looks so bad now

[wheat jay]

Male orc is amazing

Have you seen that sprinting animation?

[onyx vale]

[wheat jay]

Everyone is running from something

Male orc is on the chase xD

Male tauren tho

Disgusting

[onyx vale]

male orc had the best faces in the game

[wheat jay]

It used to be an angry bull

[onyx vale]

now you got " retarded " or Garrosh

[wheat jay]

Now its a friendly hippie cow

[craggy socket]

I dont wanna use storm of destruction w/ unhindged? or is it good together stacked?

[wheat jay]

Flailing his arms around

[onyx vale]

straightback isn't finished, half the animations make you go back hunched

and it clips on every armour

but yeah male tauren is the worst offender

[craggy socket]

Tooltip makes me thing it would do a similiar effect

[onyx vale]

taurens used to be cool

then baine happened

[wheat jay]

My first serious character was tauren dk

Back when I played on private servers

It was in wotlk

Fucking Juggernaut

[onyx vale]

storm of destruction is good with unhinged yes

just have to find a spot where you can pick it and don't need disarm/warbringer/sharpened blade

[wheat jay]

Always need Sharpen tbh

Maybe not in 2s against double dps

[onyx vale]

almost always need the big charge damage too

so yeah pvp talents are kinda locked for arms

[wheat jay]

That leaves room for one utility talent

Its kinda same as survi hunter

All pvp talents are so good

Its very hard to choose

[agile aspen]

only 5 minutes for ss queue wtf

[craggy socket]

Why is DoT damage so strong right now

[agile aspen]

do you mean bleeds

[fallen bridge]

Arms/RestoD bleed build or ms in 2’s

[south kestrel]

back to 1700 fuuuuck

Just gimme 1800 already so i can never do this garbage again

[muted surge]

You don’t want the weapon?

[south kestrel]

Im self aware enough to know im not good enough to get that.

[muted surge]

Yea not with that attitude :<

[south kestrel]

I just want 1800 for the set

thats all

but I keep getting people who blast my teammates, then die on my team

i dont understand

monk goes 0/5 then 1 shots someone at the end lol

[long ridge]

JUDGE* my general SS build gogo:

[lean burrow]

fatality

[mild thunder]

FbV

[long ridge]

executioner's precsion better right?

[copper hare]

2 weeks until dragonflight starts

[hollow ore]

Fatality is effin gr8 in SS imo

[mild thunder]

rend > FbV

[hollow ore]

Confirm kills like no other

[quick carbon]

fatality is like just not worth man

so dookie

[long ridge]

fueled by violence no good ?

[mild thunder]

FbV is dogshit

[long ridge]

😮

[mild thunder]

heals for 100k in 6 rounds lmao

[lean burrow]

dunno about that

[mild thunder]

im pretty sure every single top player would say FbV is dogshit

rend is also dogshit

so choose which dogshit talent you prefer

[long ridge]

where can i put it instead

[hollow ore]

Im taking any tankiness I can get those days

[pearl prism]

Put it in yo ass

[hollow ore]

Until ignore pain imma stick with fbv

[long ridge]

yeah but even if u don't wanna use FBV where do you put the other talent

[hollow ore]

You pick rend

Which is utter dog imo

[long ridge]

yeah idk rend is pretty meh

[mild thunder]

it doesnt even make you tankier tho lmao

[copper hare]

every single top warrior also plays with a top healer

play with average shuffle healers and you take anything you can get

[hollow ore]

3k hit points per tick is better than none tbh

[mild thunder]

its like a 600+ heal every ~2 seconds

idk its just not worth imo

[steep inlet]

Exactly mave

[long ridge]

this is in one round

[mild thunder]

yea, its shit

[hollow ore]

People nuking into dbts

Juicy

[long ridge]

okay so in 6 rounds it healed between 30k to 160k per round

[mild thunder]

that 146k is trickling in through the course of the entire match... not like it's coming in noticeable or significant amounts

[long ridge]

u think it's better to press rend when everything else is unavailable?

[mild thunder]

multi-rending is pretty decent imo

[long ridge]

it's so rare that i dont have a button to press tho, usually hamstring when i dont have big buttons

[mild thunder]

but i've also been running the bleed build a fair bit lately

[long ridge]

i thought bleed was garbage

[mild thunder]

it... is? but it kinda works

idk man

i tried it out thinking it was gonna be garbage, but i was winning so never switched out of it and ended up liking it

[lean burrow]

seems good enough?

[long ridge]

i'll try rend for u guys

i can take heroic throw off my bars right

[mild thunder]

no

good for sniping totems, keeping rogues in combat etc

[long ridge]

so one rend does like 35k over 15 seconds

[pearl prism]

Does it one hit a totem?

[mild thunder]

totems that have 5 hp, but its still definitely worth using for stealth classes

[long ridge]

anyone else want to share their SS arms builds

[mild thunder]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSEJkkkSJJBAAAAEEJJakAERjSSCJhmEhEAEJAAAAAAAAkElkAAA

thats the bleed build i been running

TRoar actually feels pretty decent imo

but thats mostly because im sick of trying to spear with >250ms and looking like a mongoloid

[opaque silo]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQIpVSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENKJJBHgiEQASSkAAAAAAAAQClkECAA all day imo

[mint osprey]

should i be gaining rating with 3 wins most of the time?

played 5 games today

3 wins each game

no points

[mild thunder]

depends on your mmr compared to everyone else's... not really any set rules on how many games you need to win for rating

if you're 2100 and everyone else is 1900-2000, you're gonna need to win almost all the games to get that rating

[agile aspen]

ud only gain points for 3-3 if your mmr was somehow still ahead of cr

which would be weird after 5 games

[mint osprey]

damn

4/5 games ended with one healer with 6 wins the other with 0

when theres a massive diff in heals it sucks

especially as arms

we are fucking paper right now

[agile aspen]

patch soon

[long ridge]

yeah we are paper but

i find myself trying to fucking save other people mostly

[long ridge]

this is just unhinged build what pvp talents you usually run?

btw i tried rend for one solo shuffle and i almost never get to press it so goodbye

[opaque silo]

usually blunt instruments for that ^

Sharpen, Banner, Disarm, Demolition, or Warbringer usually

[long ridge]

yeah same

[opaque silo]

Demo for locks or MW

[long ridge]

shatter for mage or pal

what melee is disarm bad for?

DH right, what else?

[agile aspen]

everything but other warriors

lol

[long ridge]

what u mean disarm is good for war

[agile aspen]

exactly

[long ridge]

oh

it's good vs rogues

[mint osprey]

is it any good into dks?

[long ridge]

idk i dont think so cuz unholy does a lot of magic dmg right

[agile aspen]

doesnt do much into UH unless they have zero RP

and frost is dead so

[mint osprey]

ok, ive been taking wrong talents into them then lol

ty

[agile aspen]

if they have RP they can just coil and most of their caveman is pet damage

[long ridge]

if ur playing unhinged why not go storm of destruction?

[mint osprey]

I should be speccing out of unhinged for classes that spam AI into the arena as well right?

[long ridge]

yeah actually have to go warlord and ep

[mint osprey]

thats changing with patch though right?

were going to be able to take EP all of the time?

and should be able to swap unhinged for juggernaut?

[mild thunder]

wont be able to take juggernaut, plus its a waste if you do

[craggy socket]

Another arms buff 😄

Battlelord will be giving us 35% OP dam up from 25%

and ignore pain is added into arms tree

[mild thunder]

we've... known this for a week

[craggy socket]

WARRIOR
Arms
Battlelord now increases the damage of Overpower by 35% (was 25%).
Ignore Pain has been added to the Arms tree.
Fury
Duration of Avatar and Recklessness caused by Berserker’s Torment is now 8 seconds (was 4 seconds).

[craggy socket]

Focus on your ice cream buddy

[mild thunder]

you do realise that the IP addition was announced last week, right?

[craggy socket]

10-4

[mild thunder]

also its choc-chip

[craggy socket]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cream-licking-ice-cream-gif-26189804

[brazen rock]

i swear to god this dude has to be a troll

[severe skiff]

am I crazy or did 10.0.5 increases the MS reset on battlelord at one point? patch notes just released today only list the overpower damage bonus

Battlelord now increases the damage of Overpower by 35% (was 25%).

[mild thunder]

dont hurt is feefees

[mild thunder]

this is just the newest stuff added to PTR, not a comprehensive list

[severe skiff]

Emerald Communion will no longer cancel if the Evoker is disoriented or feared during the channel.

[south kestrel]

1751 boys here we go

[mild thunder]

we believe in ya, bud

[brazen rock]

lul wat

[severe skiff]

was actual counterplay to one of their abilities, can't have that

[copper hare]

hahahaha

[south kestrel]

Whaaaaat is that lol

[copper hare]

Good, I hope they finally buff their healing aswell now

[south kestrel]

Wheres the fury slaughterhouse revert

[copper hare]

they're almost not viable

[mild thunder]

never

fuck fury, fuck slaughterhouse

[severe skiff]

that's already in, just a tooltip change

or database change as I think the tooltip already gives correct amount

[brazen rock]

🦥

[severe skiff]

Polearms from Shadowlands and Dragonflight have been adjusted to sit lower on the player’s back when sheathed. We’ll be looking into adjusting additional polearms from previous expansions in a future update.

game playable again

[copper hare]

still missing the option to mog 2h into 1h

[south kestrel]

Hahah why tho

[mild thunder]

fucking finally

[mild thunder]

warrior is boring whenever fury is meta

if they rework fury, i'll be happy

[copper hare]

I completely missed that line a couple weeks ago "Improved Overpower and Battlelord now also increase the damage of Dreadnaught."

that's pretty pog

[spice hornet]

smf shouldnt even be a thing, they should just let fury mog 1hs

[mild thunder]

TG should just be removedf

[copper hare]

I really like how fury looks with a 1h, not smf tho ye

[mild thunder]

return fury to a 1h spec

[copper hare]

Am I crazy or is that the literal only change that mistweaver receives for like 5 years in a row

Mistweaver
Chrysalis (PvP Talent) now reduces Life Cocoon’s cooldown by 30 seconds (was 45 seconds).

[spice hornet]

seems like they always make that change back and fourth

[copper hare]

like every new patch/expansion that's the only change I see made to mistweavers lol

ye

[spice hornet]

lmao

every time

MW bad

lower CD of bubble

now it good

oh no now its too short, nerf again

[copper hare]

ye but will be back to 50 sec reduce next patch, don't worry

[spice hornet]

thought i read somewhere that there's no dedicated monk dev

[mild thunder]

think that was druid

[agile aspen]

isnt there basically no dedicated anything dev

[mild thunder]

quit halfway through beta or something, thats why the tree changes have been so delayed

[spice hornet]

There is definitely a rogue dev

even talks in the rogue disc

gee i wonder why rogue always has an s tier spec hmm

[copper hare]

or three s tier specs

[spice hornet]

remove toxic/bad pvp talents, leave shadowy duel in

[mild thunder]

there's gotta be a dedicated warrior dev... we've gotten sooo many changes this xpac

[copper hare]

in every bracket, both pve and pvp

[spice hornet]

yep

want to dm that guy

and bel ike why

[south kestrel]

#showtooltip
/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance

is this the stance swap macro for both specs? seems real long

[full quiver]

@elfin surge is a dev and checks here often

If you guys really want u can send him suggest changes he reviews them every Friday

[copper hare]

ye and make sure you also send him some dick pics

[mild thunder]

actually the best thing to do is to just @ archimtiros to tell him what to change

especially for pvp

[spice hornet]

@copper hare Mud did a Glizzy reveal on Snapchat before

Subscribers only

[rancid granite]

does that mean @elfin surge can change my name in here

[sharp meteor]

Guess the spec

[rancid granite]

fury ftw bro

[brazen rock]

how the fuck do you sit through over 1200 rounds of shuffle

actual peak degen behavior

[sharp meteor]

He went 0-4 then afk'd the last two rounds out of tilt.

[limber pike]

how frozen devotion for arms in arena? Anyone mess around with it?

[wheat jay]

Prevoker or havoc

[mild thunder]

that many games means it has to be a healer, right? no way a dps sits through those queues

[south kestrel]

Fuark

1792

lets goooo

[sharp meteor]

Feral. 🐱

[fresh cave]

I've been doing 2's in arena(Arms), and I almost ALWAYS get dumpstered in damage by DK's and Havoc DH's, am I doing something wrong? Or are they just naturally gross dps? (I'm talking like 3M to their 5.5+M damage done)

[south kestrel]

DKs damage is disgusting

and very consistent

[smoky anchor]

they do a ton of dps yes

both of them

no heal debuff tho if i'm not mistaken

[south kestrel]

What enchants are people using on their weps

[fresh cave]

Necrotic wounds (5%per wound) from DK, I dunno DH at all though

[wheat jay]

Actually makes sense too

[mild thunder]

you are mistaken

[wheat jay]

Drop dots

Pop walls

Look at people dying to 60k dps

[mild thunder]

primal wrath needs a nerf zzz

[fresh cave]

I'm only 1.6K rating, but I'm worried I'm letting my healer down by not being able to keep up, I'm still learning and practicing. Just feels bad to be getting so consistently shredded by certain classes

[south kestrel]

some classes are just busted

[fresh cave]

Knowing it's not just me has given me hopium, thanks

[south kestrel]

DK are the strongest melee atm

UH specifically

[onyx vale]

i'd like to take this time to remind everyone people in this very discord were telling me fury had more sustained dps than dks

have a nice day y'all

[south kestrel]

[stiff merlin]

Feral and ret are busted too

[mild thunder]

rets not busted

[south kestrel]

piercing howl, leap away and spell reflect has been my saviour

lmao

[wheat jay]

It used to

In shadowlands

And until dks became more popular

[fresh cave]

I am awful at dealing with feral, they are slippery as hell and do so much damage it's nuts

[sharp meteor]

It was tragic because he legit just put up dots then stood there in cat and died every round.

I'm like pls run and he just fed every other game.

[wheat jay]

Pvp this expansion is amazing with the exception of balance

Balance is worse than shadowlands

[stiff merlin]

Good

[south kestrel]

Is it worth disarming ret

on wings

[lean burrow]

just don't stack

feral feels unkillable

[lean burrow]

no

radiant decree and final reckoning is usable

if you are not the target then duel would be better

[fair tide]

I actually used duel on a ret training my healer in ss. Was pretty effective

Don't think he knew wtf it was, so he just kept going 🤣

[onyx vale]

yeah but that was in dragonflight

[south kestrel]

back to 1738

[mint osprey]

Should I be using sharpen on CD or for burst windows?

[south kestrel]

holy fuck bro

I cant get the last game

everyone on my team just fucking dies.

SO tilting

I literally cant peel any more

[mint osprey]

How often are you using intervene?

[south kestrel]

LIterally on CD at this point lmao