Now that you're limited to PVP trinkets the value dropped off
#pvp
near delta
Tabard
turbid ember
Then go Human, it's not all about damage though.
pure hornet
True. Just wanted to understand
forest quest
I can double dps trinket if hunan
human racial is shit since nerf
pure hornet
What nerf? Still does the job
steep inlet
Human racial is not shit at all
muted surge
Don’t you run the med anyway as human
stiff dust
There is a build which allows to play critical in fury which is "ok", or absolutely everything is garbage as hell ?
pure hornet
Don’t you run the med anyway as human
No . Double dps trinket is op as fkk .at least from my point of view
But still looking into meld
muted surge
But you can’t get out of all ccs
turbid ember
Oh human racial only removes stuns now on 1.5min cd
muted surge
And the dps trinket doesn’t seem that worth
turbid ember
That's why it's trash
muted surge
So you can just get hard cced by incap
forest quest
Yeah
muted surge
And can’t get out, so 5 sec free window
forest quest
Only stun
muted surge
Seems to suck no?
pure hornet
And the dps trinket doesn’t seem that worth
? U smoking? I squeeze 200 str if i can specially on burst. 1300 strenght is more than i can ask
lucid walrus
So you can just get hard cced by incap
not running berserker rage?
lucid walrus
should be sleep/charm iirc
lucid walrus
zerk covers your ass with fear/sap/incap
turbid ember
Trink disarm erryday
lucid walrus
i get your point for sure, just threw me off
turbid ember
Do you guys typically blow offensive CDs right off the bat? Amount of zerg I've seen from other warriors throws me off sometimes.
I think they charge, CS, DbtS, spear, Avatar
muted surge
Okay so it seems double dps trinket is int against most comps
pure hornet
No i bait with overpower and couple of ms maibe a bladestorm. Second burst i go all in.avatar colosus trinket and attitude
muted surge
What
muted surge
I also always bait with op
turbid ember
Bait what? That you're gonna burst?
pure hornet
Yes. Force them to some defensive cd
turbid ember
Well, we really only have 1 lol
lusty moth
if you pop avatar and they pop a defensive you can just wait the 10 seconds before using CS
avatar for baiting if they don’t still decent gain just hitting with avatar then stun into CS n send
outer parcel
just had the biggest bullshit match ever in my life, goddamn do i hate hunters and warlocks it should cap at 2 animals/demons MAX in the game
so how do you deal with zoo game?
turbid ember
Highly recommend a tab rebinder.
Essentially when you enter arena it changes tab to target nearest player instead of enemy (minion)
outer parcel
o i have to target players and 1 for npcs, but how do you stop non players that got summoned/called in to die
as in : how to survive a million imps/animals 😄 becaus this is the 4rth game this day that i face a npc farm comp
pure hornet
Crap. Tonight i switch factions and i cant figure if go human or nightelf. Any opinions?
forest quest
dark iron dwarf
outer parcel
Crap. Tonight i switch factions and i cant figure if go human or nightelf. Any o...
humans best 2nd i think
forest quest
Humans are meh imo
turbid ember
I'd do Dark Iron if I could do it all over
forest quest
Dwarf is the best race
pure hornet
Or you feel like a joke..i cant stand human afther taureen. Cant imagine dwarf
queen peak
I think you should just go human if you're going to be stuck on character height
pure hornet
Dwarf is the best race
Never said it isnt .just said i cant go lower than human/nightelf
queen peak
I race changed from human to dark iron and love it.
pure hornet
You are you. I cand stand small people
queen peak
And that's fine, you do you.
I will say that if you are worried about being called names for your height in a game, go human, night elf, or kul tiran
pure hornet
Not called. Called by me. I dont like beeing a midget
Night elf or human is the debate
lean burrow
what's up shorties?
pliant falcon
gnome is #1 tho
turbid ember
Gnome warriors are an exception to bullying
pliant falcon
2x root break is op when you play fury and the 1x is not too shabby as arms
turbid ember
People that play Gnome Warriors probably picked oddjob on Goldeneye
pliant falcon
lol
hot solstice
proud ether
guys does the quality matter for crafted pvp items?
steep inlet
11 for arms
proud ether
or are they all the same?
grand scaffold
is creation catalyst thing out yet
queen peak
guys does the quality matter for crafted pvp items?
No. For example, Infurious gear still scales to 424 in PVP. The crafted quality just has a better PVE item level
proud ether
ty homie
grand scaffold
is creation catalyst thing out yet
?
outer parcel
one wowhead article says 17th, the other one 23rd
well i cant wait 😄
turbid ember
Absolutely massive
gentle horizon
with all these nerfs to other classes are wars s-tier yet?
elfin surge
ignore pain in atm?
ptr
grand scaffold
-_-
flat dome
So, unholy dks lol
turbid ember
Was our defensive stance 20%? I swear it said 10-15%
soft zodiac
Get tier piece shoulders vs chest? both haste / vers for arms
flat dome
Is there a talent that increases dks health?
turbid ember
Has to be
lean burrow
is it better to take legs with tier if I already got conquest legs?
or a crit trinket lmao
turbid ember
Idk how those upgrades to tier work
soft zodiac
Big numbers
turbid ember
Can't you get catalysts now by not picking a reward?
lean burrow
no
turbid ember
Oh, what's the 4th option on vault at the bottom then
lean burrow
catalyst is a separate thing, you put conquest or m+ pieces inside, and you get them out with different stats and tier bonus
the 4th option of the vault is gem sockets or gold
soft dagger
is arms or fury better in 2s?
gentle horizon
fury is always better
turbid ember
Citation needed*
thick reef
Happy loot day. Remember fury warriors, set you loot type to arms
elfin surge
is arms or fury better in 2s?
arms
turbid ember
Happy loot day. Remember fury warriors, set you loot type to arms
smf will be a thing again! Just you wait!
thick reef
My vault choices aren't great. I got a ring that I already have, some barely an upgrade shoulders, and then a neck. Is elemental lariat considered bis for PvP as well, or should I replace it? I got the crimson gladiators pendant
grand scaffold
smf will be a thing again! Just you wait!
maybe if it didnt cost 2 talent points
long ridge
Pretty sure conquest neck is better than lariat for pvp
copper hare
not only that we get IP, but also that every dominant class until then pretty much gets nerfed
lucid walrus
yeah, the classes that were our biggest counters were mostly that way bc of rat dog animal mongo ape damage output
rogues and locks will probably still suck to deal with but it's looking better
turbid ember
Glimpse nerf on DH is nice
copper hare
They kinda overnerfed ww though
keen silo
anyone know if tertiary stats work in arena now?
copper hare
anyone know if tertiary stats work in arena now?
they do
crude bane
seems like feral is the to go class
lucid walrus
if they're enchanted or gemmed they do
zenith marlin
ive just realized that I had the same breakfast for over 10 days now
whole wheat bread with olive oil dip + whey-banana-milk shake
its a peaceful life
queen peak
What's wrong with that? I do a whey-oat-random fruit shake every morning
zenith marlin
very nice
zenith marlin
I used to do oats but I dislike having solids in the shake
turbid ember
That's simple? I just have 3 eggs every morning
sterile carbon
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [known:Wrecking Throw] Wrecking Throw; [known:Shattering Throw] Shattering Throw
Anyone know why this macro isn't working for having just 1 keybind depending on what im talented into?
it just does nothing
queen peak
I blend mine so the oats are more manageable
shut barn
whole wheat bread with olive oil dip + whey-banana-milk shake
bread + 2 eggs for 4 days
turbid ember
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [known:Wrecking Throw] Wrecking Throw;...
I think you get rid of the 2nd known for shattering throw
shut barn
- peanut butter
turbid ember
If wreckingthrowknown then wreckingthrow else shatteringthrow
zenith marlin
if interested, olive oil dip is just olive oil, lemon juice, salt, pepper, and thyme
shy geyser
Is getting conq boots over infurious worth it?
turbid ember
I think that's how it's treated
shut barn
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [known:Wrecking Throw] Wrecking Throw;...
i think there is a talent that wont let u cancel BS anymore
sterile carbon
ye i dont have that
i pasted it into a new macro and it works now? probs me being dumb
zenith marlin
interesting
turbid ember
BS is just an aura, you can cancel it
sterile carbon
you cant if you have hurriance
queen peak
Is getting conq boots over infurious worth it?
I don't think so. That 5% extra reduction is awesome
shy geyser
Ok just wondering as for arms mastery seems shit, so crit/vers seems close maybe
zenith marlin
Crit/Vers and anything u cant do that do haste
As much as ppl say haste=mastery, more haste smooths out gameplay
Think of it, warlock is casting AoE stun - you have no interrupt/stun
U must bladestorm very fast
haste comes in
shy geyser
ya, i got shafted on vault, so i either get these conq boots when i already have infurious or a mastery ring to hold me over until next week
zenith marlin
the GCD reduc is so good
shy geyser
ye you guys are right i hate wasted vaults lol
zenith marlin
ikr
my vaults being for PvE
All is wasted
except 418-421 pieces I sometimes use if right stats for pvp
lucid walrus
oh shit it factors in their losses on top of that. that never occurred to me
crude bane
why
lucid walrus
yeah that change is even better now
grand scaffold
anybody know how often supply drops spawn
river fulcrum
What build are you using? I can’t figure out what to take too many useless takents
flat dome
Devoker burst, good lord
flat dome
Don't even have a chance to dbts
agile crow
how choose 😦
brazen rock
Both are well statted
steel trout
shoulders cuz spark pvp item on helm 💯
agile crow
shoulders cuz spark pvp item on helm 💯
love you thanks
wanted shoulders anyway
but what's the spark pvp item?
steel trout
infurious helm of vengeance
radiant yacht
and its one of the big 3 slots for stamina. so its pretty nice that we can craft it instead of droppin 875 conq on it.
feral heath
If we buy conq items now we should be able to make them pvp tier set when that patch comes right?
lucid walrus
yup
turbid ember
What do you guys do against ele shamans? Training them seems worthless because they can still pump damage while being trained
pine cobalt
what you guys using for rbg spec?
lean burrow
What do you guys do against ele shamans? Training them seems worthless because t...
dispel flame shocks
break skyfury totem
pop defensives on stormkeeper
turbid ember
Ah so you eat those dispell protections when possible
mental marsh
Im arms and got 3 pvp vault items. I got crafted helmet already and got tier helmet from vault. I really should get new helmet for tier bonus right?
swift hornet
Does shattering throw strip turtle from hunters? Or is it just iceblock and bubble
turbid ember
Doesn't do hunters
swift hornet
F, ty
turbid ember
Devalues DoTs
burnt pawn
hey guys, does slaughterhouse sometimes not put stacks on people for you as well or they just dont show?
copper hare
hey guys, does slaughterhouse sometimes not put stacks on people for you as well...
when you have other dps with mortal wounds in your group, slaughterhouse doesnt overwrite
torpid roost
I've never had a time when I was watching and it didn't apply but it gets overwritten really easily
Yeah what mave said
copper hare
if you get paired with another mortal wounds dps you swap out slaughterhouse yeah
burnt pawn
do most specs have mortal wounds?
wheat jay
idk why not, seems rather arbitrary
Cuz its not an immunity, its deflect
You dont stop dmg that's flying towards you
You dont stop dots from ticking
You just deflect hits
lean burrow
hunters: use your bow to deflect giga chaos bolts of hell
deflect holy and unholy magic with your gun
polar pecan
For Fury, should we take 2 Vers/Master weps?
pure hornet
For arms is it ok if i go mastery afther str vers?? Then mastery and haste last?
turbid ember
My druid friend sounds like he's in ELO hell in solo shuffle. People dying with full HoTs in tree of life spamming regrowth.
modest rapids
For arms is it ok if i go mastery afther str vers?? Then mastery and haste last?
Its ok, but mastery is your worst stat
turbid ember
You guys think damage should be reduced across the board for pvp?
stark agate
Do you guys think a pvp tier piece is worth it if it replaces the crafted infurious helmet?
obtuse musk
Do you guys think a pvp tier piece is worth it if it replaces the crafted infuri...
I have 2 set atm on legs and hands. Im curious about this as well. Afaik the crafted helm is bis. My plan was to do the other four slots for tier. Should mention as well the set isnt great for fury, so depends too on what spec you play.
mystic barn
do most specs have mortal wounds?
it’s harder to find a comp without a mortal than finding one with
mystic barn
blizz gave tons of classes mortals for w.e reason
craggy socket
on my warrior
coral axle
You guys think damage should be reduced across the board for pvp?
yeah burst is too high right now, it makes playing a healer stressful and also forces you to play defensively most the time
mystic barn
they buffed hunt
craggy socket
DH still king retard spec
coral axle
they did not buff hunt, they removed a tick from the dot, its the exact same damage total
mystic barn
is the buff to hunt 10.0.5
craggy socket
Hit 120k hunt, and 81k dot
coral axle
nah people just got confused by the datamining, they technically buffed the dot, but removed a tick that we didnt see til blizz told us
coral axle
the nerf to their burst was essence break, death sweep shouldnt be hitting for 175k anymore
mystic barn
they removed first tick then “buffed it” so it does the same damage but not instant
coral axle
yeah it was apparently applying an extra tick immediately when they charged in
obtuse musk
Should be a 3 min cd
turbid ember
yeah burst is too high right now, it makes playing a healer stressful and also f...
Yeah, his latest game he was mad because he spent 1 GCD to stun healer and his DPS died w/ full hots in that time
coral axle
yuuuuuuuuuuup thats the worst part about healing rn
the optimal strategy is to just play defense constantly
because if you take 3 seconds off to go fuck with the healer you usually fall behind
or just lose immediately
turbid ember
Probably should throw all CC at the 2nd dps
coral axle
yeah thats all I do on my dragon anymore
I just dream walk the non-trained DPS and ignore the other heals
except for a kick if im in range
as much as I love hitting people for 200k sharpens I would rather that people actually want to play healer
turbid ember
The DPS will increase until healers morale is improved
coral axle
there is a vicious cycle rn where blizz has given dps insane self healing
so burst needs to be high so you can actually kill a dps while the healer is CC'd
if it was too low then ppl could just self-heal through ur damage and nobody dies
crude bane
how is WW now @craggy socket
turbid ember
Nerf damage by...20% with nerfs to self healing would probably be good
craggy socket
how is WW now <@237806964741111808>
Idk its shadow and DH every single game
crude bane
nice
maiden grove
crude bane
if nothing change then i reroll my dh kekw ez climbing and flex
then even suffer from ressource they smash keyboard and AOE cleaving
craggy socket
Shadow feels better to face forsure
so does DH but yeah theyre still both feeling strong, granted im 1600-1700 mmr 3s so im a scrub
elfin surge
quick carbon
gonna be bonkers for a week then blizzard nerfs ip by 50% in pvp
pure hornet
i cant wait to be S tier
on arms? or fury
elfin surge
on arms? or fury
arms ofc, fury has already died
elfin surge
fury just does nothing
pure hornet
guyz one question, if i go for mastery , instead of haste, is it ok?
quick carbon
I’d go haste over mastery
pure hornet
but with mastery i guessed one should do bigger ms strikes...
crude bane
you guyz playing haste as ARMS?
grand scaffold
but with mastery i guessed one should do bigger ms strikes...
you also want MORE mortal strike
grand scaffold
you guyz playing haste as ARMS?
crit
elfin surge
what are your stats looking like
very. very. scuffed.
grand scaffold
o0k
grand scaffold
very. very. scuffed.
but what are you trying to to have as a stat priority
elfin surge
Vers > Crit = Haste tbh
grand scaffold
you playing unhinged?
elfin surge
i like having high haste but most wars just want heavy crit
grand scaffold
sometimes yea
what do you generally play
quick carbon
you can play all 3 builds as arms tbh
elfin surge
the standard ms build
grand scaffold
the standard ms build
ok
what are you playing in solo shuffle majority of the time?
quick carbon
usually ppl play unhinged
But it depends on ur matchup
I don’t like unhinged into unholy dks or demo locks
grand scaffold
is blademasters torment better than warlords
because
warlords make unhinged smack
elfin surge
warlords make unhinged smack
so does blademasters lol
grand scaffold
what are you playing with unhinged
grand scaffold
im at 2100 but struggling atm i keep getting healers that either dont use defensives or dk's i flop against
crude bane
we still waiting dev message concerning long q
its just impossible the only cause is lack of heal especially at 1K7 MMR or around its like the middle pack of pvp
maybe over 2K2 i understand
but lower its impossible
sharp meteor
its just impossible the only cause is lack of heal especially at 1K7 MMR or arou...
low and mid mmr healing solo is suffering
it's basically just the actual bottom of the barrel rejects
grand scaffold
i think atm
hpals are causing problems in solo shuffle
cant keep up
whenever i get one im like fuck
sharp meteor
just had an hpal suplex an rdruid then another do the same to a hpriest
can't leave any more so the other healer had to go 0-6
grand scaffold
its nice people cant leave now
and that you dont lose 150 rating for losing 5 games of solo shuffle and winning 1
grand scaffold
is blunt instruments ok?
ide say better than warbreaker
33/50 people run blunt instruments
mild pumice
Are the arms bleed pvp builds viable?
grand scaffold
Are the arms bleed pvp builds viable?
well
im at 2100 and the only time i ever went 6-0 was with that build
but most people dont play it
small silo
do u need haste for bleed build ?
mild pumice
Hmm I might try it out
I just saw some random YouTube video on it and it seemed interesting. Just wanted others perspectives since ppl tend to only put their wins on videos
grand scaffold
was it from tay?
flat dome
I hate rend
flat dome
Eh, padding damage
grand scaffold
aff is full pad dmg
flat dome
Aff pad damage is meaningful and is how the spec plays
grand scaffold
ok
if you play rend
with bleed build
rend does almost as much dmg as mortal strike
lean burrow
why's rend considered high damage
flat dome
Over the duration, yes
lean burrow
it's like one ms
flat dome
But arms is all about big bursty hits
lean burrow
it's actually less than ms because no healing reduc
flat dome
I wouldn't mind it if it cost less rage
crude bane
i mean that most of healer struggling to climb and they are stuck mid / low mmr after their placement
so 30 Min q at 1K9
sound a bit silly
craggy socket
SP can just cast 40+ purges a game not lose mana
crude bane
if you dont see any " dh mastery nerf " dont expect anything
craggy socket
Yup pretty much I'ved play 30+ games DH/SP in every single match up
craggy socket
Who cares about 2s anymore
crude bane
i just want to spam solo actually
but with this Q and leaver
2s is getting more fun i guess
all my 5-0 were left
kekw
craggy socket
Even after patch?
quasi lotus
crude bane
i have to OS the healer before mine dying
as warrior
imagine
i dont touch solo until tomorow
but as we can expect
SP / dh still dominating
turbid ember
Climbing as healer is just trash. You have a higher chance of a dps being a complete dog and getting no better than 3 wins than a DPS running into a dog healer
mystic barn
yes that’s a thing
rapid shore
:D
mystic barn
cept that a draw is loss for both sides
rapid shore
ye
mystic barn
even though we killed enemy healer 1 second earlier than enemy team killing our sp
neat
turbid ember
Speaking of which. How do I know if a holy priest is dead and not just using whatever CD that makes them look dead
Have had them use it when super low like a FD but then they come back alive
grand scaffold
Speaking of which. How do I know if a holy priest is dead and not just using wha...
look for a debuff
idk how to describe what it looks like
turbid ember
Does the debuff mean they're alive or dead
grand scaffold
alive
craggy socket
Hey guys playing Ret warr 3s what can I take talent wise to help my ret live.
thick reef
Are you intervening on cd
grand scaffold
Are you intervening on cd
no
thick reef
Disarm
grand scaffold
warr is way to squishy to do stuff like that
no
you disarm based on enemy's burst
thick reef
Yes
elfin surge
So Affliction. UA is a joke, healers don’t really need to second guess whether or not they should dispel.
Demo, Tyrant is now supposed to be the damage dealer, homie gets shut down the second it gets summoned from a couple of zug’s zugging around.
Now I can understand 2k players like Maldiva will likely figure out a new way to play and is a straight up expert at the class, but yesterday I was able to queue solo and win the majority of the time with a 4 out of 6 ratio in RSS. I just played 2 games of RSS, 1 as AFF (1400mmr), and 1 as Demo (1600mmr), I won 2 out of 12 rounds.
As AFF, the fury warrior out healed the tics of my damage, and the healer kept dispelling like it was nothing.
As demo, well, the damage just isn’t there, demon bolt or HoG doesn’t supplement for the damage that you can built up with dreadbites into command, now command is essentially just fluff damage.
Or am I completely wrong?
thick reef
It's fine if he's fury imo but he probably shouldn't be playing fury since it's so SHIT rn
sharp meteor
mud stop bullying the male belf with kael hair
elfin surge
ha
flat dome
Warlocks didn't get nerfed. They just put on plate armor and became DK's
crude bane
So Affliction. UA is a joke, healers don’t really need to second guess whether o...
im glad to hear this
crude bane
grand scaffold
you think batlelord is allwayz mandatory?
ya
pure hornet
BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQIpUSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENkkEgmEhEgkEJAAAAAAAAI0SSiAA i tought with this build i can do more damage
but if you say is mandatory ill take battlelord
sharp meteor
you think batlelord is allwayz mandatory?
Yes.
crude bane
wat is the gameplay
craggy socket
I do disarm and intervene on CD
crude bane
are you a feral
craggy socket
as farms
crude bane
or wat
craggy socket
is duel not worth taking?
flat dome
is duel not worth taking?
It's the caster version of disarm
grand scaffold
?
gritty forge
Hey all, anyone got any thoughts on "Frenzied Flurry increases auto-attack damage with one-handed weapons by 30% (was 5%).". Mostly interested in PVP
grand scaffold
Hey all, anyone got any thoughts on "Frenzied Flurry increases auto-attack damag...
dont use 1h weapons
its goofy
gritty forge
so it's been tested?
grand scaffold
so it's been tested?
single minded fury is just bad
you lose so much health
and damage
and stats
only bonus is 5% movement speed
and what is the use of that in reality
echo musk
Do the dreakbreakers set bonus' work inside arena?
coral axle
Hey all, anyone got any thoughts on "Frenzied Flurry increases auto-attack damag...
what % of ur dps is white damage?
mystic barn
no
coral axle
if that was a 25% damage buff to all damage when using 1hs that'd be one thing, but white damage........
clear pine
wtf is this soloshuffle mmr shit. i was 1800 now im 1700 and win 5/0 and get 0 rating ??
still eu no patch tho
crude bane
execute with a cd is funky
grand scaffold
<:medge:869468644743200829>
?
crude bane
Sounds goofy
pure hornet
is fatality ok?
crude bane
can you link his spec plz ?
pure hornet
anybody know if smexxins build is good
link his build pls. i cant check him on armory
guyz do you think fatality is ok?
pure hornet
witch is more presure? unhuinged ? or ep?
grand scaffold
dont play unhinged into things with pets
generally unhinged
tf type of bullshit is this
10 rating for 4 wins?
crude bane
1715 cucked you
coral axle
elo hell isnt a real thing in any game, bad players go on the enemy team too
but venruki made a video about struggling to climb at around 1300, until he got better at enh
crude bane
tf type of bullshit is this
so this monk 4-2
almost 400 RAting
from 1700 to 2K1
in 1 solo
cause you guyz are at 2K RAting
grand scaffold
its so dumb
crude bane
solo is even more retarded
vestal quail
Yea I don’t think it’s a thing in this game, a good player can go 6/0 if he’s in the wrong elo. It’s not like leave where you have to shit the bed to carry in a 5v5
coral axle
nah that dude who gained 400 is in his placement matches
probably only on his 4th or 5th shuffle
grand scaffold
i got 4 wins and got 10 rating
crude bane
hmmm
crude bane
yeah you got 10
crude bane
cause this monk is low
grand scaffold
solo shuffle needs some fixing man
crude bane
btw how his burst now ?
crimson onyx
What's the Solo Shuffle quetimes tonight?
grand scaffold
btw how his burst now ?
still really high
crude bane
by WoW dev
rancid granite
when do people go defensive stance btw?
quaint snow
which arms buid should i go for as ret / arms + healer. My gear still a bit scuffed from fury
nimble jasper
that monk is 100% in placements
pure hornet
mud?
pure hornet
oh
flat dome
I like how people call a target before the match, then proceed to completely ignore said target
pure hornet
mud why you have rend?
cursive jackal
Currently running SMF due to weapon availability, how much worse is this than TG?
crude bane
I like how people call a target before the match, then proceed to completely ign...
i dont even talk now im playing like 1V2 and my healer is starting wow this morning
mild thunder
mud why you have rend?
because there aren't better talents
craggy socket
mud why you have rend?
I’ve seen a lot of warriors take rend over the execute talent that refunds rage
mild thunder
I’ve seen a lot of warriors take rend over the execute talent that refunds rage
thats a horrible choice 
stable siren
oh shit arms is poppin again?
brazen rock
been poppin for a while.
mild thunder
kinda
brazen rock
people play rend cuz it does more then slam
mild thunder
will be very strong in a few weeks
brazen rock
its a filler when shit is on CD
thick reef
It's good if you have a good healer to baby sit
brazen rock
in long games, rend does pretty good dam.
stable siren
whats happening in a few weeks? 10.0.5?
mild thunder
whats happening in a few weeks? 10.0.5?
yes
brazen rock
arms talent tree rework, ignore pain back
mild thunder
in long games, rend does pretty good dam.
the fact that rend does more upfront damage than unbuffed slam 
brazen rock
combined with other class nerfs, arms is easy A+ or even S
mild thunder
tsg gonna rock fr
brazen rock
uhdk/arms will be pretty disgusting
crimson onyx
What's you guys pref standard PvP talents in SS?
stable siren
what u runing right now? rend build or spearstorm?
brazen rock
sharpen always, other 2 depend on matchup.
mild thunder
uhdk/arms will be pretty disgusting
feelslike uhdk could pair with a lot of classes
its so strong
brazen rock
Usually warbringer + disarm.
brazen rock
what u runing right now? rend build or spearstorm?
EU has alot of rend/bleed players without SKS, just does decent constant pressure ontop of the strongest MS .
mild thunder
that'll probably be the move with the new tree changes
brazen rock
Most US are playing unhinged or EP into dk/demo matchups
brazen rock
Probably. I mean you get the talents to do it, so why not
stable siren
gotcha thank you for all the feedback
brazen rock
also 21 second duration sweeping strikes when talented kek
agile crow
is the Infurious Helm of Vengeance considered pvp bis right now?
brazen rock
that + boots
agile crow
which boots
brazen rock
ez 424 pieces + the effects are decent.
mild thunder
the pvp boots
mild thunder
Infurious Warboots of Impunity
agile crow
does it take much for a BS to be able to craft them at max quality
steep cairn
You don’t need max unless you’re using for PVE
agile crow
I PVE too but I guess ill probably have other stuff
craggy socket
Yeha personally I hate rend
flat dome
May swap rend for Bloodsurge when patch comes
violet fossil
Arms just kinda falls over doesn’t it
weak swallow
if you miss burst window then yeah 🤷♂️
agile crow
you guys have rend on your bars?
long ridge
does it take much for a BS to be able to craft them at max quality
hey i can make helm and boots hit me up @ riagan-stormrage
violet fossil
even then
high star
are people using tier 2 set in pvp?
weak swallow
🤢
long ridge
yes bro
weak swallow
not on fury
long ridge
mortal strike crit is amazing for arms
high star
i only play arms
weak swallow
not on arms either tbh cuz i dont have 2 piece kek
high star
ya i just got 2pc from my vault
long ridge
good pt though fury set is trash
high star
i have 2 options
long ridge
i mean i got 408 gloves for pve just cause 2 set is amazing but i had no other options
weak swallow
good pt though fury set is trash
if they made it so execute crit dmg is increased / overall dmg is increased i would appreciate fury set way more
they made a BFA fury set
🤦♂️
high star
nah its like pve tier no pvp scaling i thought?
weak swallow
high star
wtfff
high star
did that come from pvp in the vault?
high star
fuck eh i just se regular glad shit
weak swallow
ngl id take most expense
high star
crafted? damn wtf
is there anywhere I can see gear guide lmao im just using honor/conq gear
weak swallow
crafted
high star
kinda boomer retail player
lean burrow
I mean
high star
good stat roll too
lean burrow
"sometimes" take damage
high star
crit/vers
lean burrow
that's ambiguous
copper hare
it does up to 6-7% if you getting tunneled
weak swallow
that's ambiguous
3.5 procs a minute
copper hare
that's pretty good for a cheap crafted item
craggy socket
It’s a lot of damage
weak swallow
leather is nice
lean burrow
does it deal damage from dots?
high star
ok so i gotta craft a helm, and do more pvp so I can see tier from vault is my only option in regards to seeing tier bonus on pvp gear?
or rather tier gear that scales in pvp
weak swallow
does it deal damage from dots?
yea
lean burrow
eg priest dots you up, do you deal giga damage?
nimble jasper
leather one is super mid
weak swallow
it gets proced
nimble jasper
1% dam is skippable
weak swallow
leather one is 'mid' cuz every leather class rn is fucking SSS+++ tier
lean burrow
weak swallow
imo
lean burrow
gonna get it then
weak swallow
semen hunter
high star
from the dinky engineering things i made lol
high star
oh word thats nice
weak swallow
bis
lean burrow
oh yeah, I think there are missives
high star
@weak swallow you have like a source you got all this from? just want to see all the options for gear wowhead is kinda jank
weak swallow
not rlly
weak swallow
just kinda picked up
high star
ye ok fair
weak swallow
but you can see for yourself in crafting house
high star
ill start reading then XD
solemn moat
as fury should i get 424 weapon for conquest or smth other ? i have 2x 415 mythic council weapon
wheat crane
proper sequoia
So can get both the helm and boots 350 ilvl and they scale to 424?
high star
i just crafted bare minimal ones and they are 386
proper sequoia
Ah oki, perfect 😄 Was just looking at wowhead
Can make both those tomorrow, get some fat loot from chest, spend 3750 conq and 15 strife marks
Full gear inc?
safe jewel
Yeah, minimum of 386 sounds right
proper sequoia
i've just rolled with two chests and full blue hahah
real slacker
Haven't even gotten into how to use stuff
So just qued up in blues and 3 epics that I got lucky on
proper sequoia
Yeah me too, except for the fkin ques
and also rerolled to arms two days ago so now I'm about as clueless as I was at the start anyways
fury really is so braindead
safe jewel
Pretty sure I've gained more than 40k health since the season started and I was in all blues. So whether you notice it or not, the difference is certainly there. Especially the 2-piece bonus
proper sequoia
what is this set bonus everyone is talking about, raid set?
safe jewel
10% MS damage and crit chance
safe jewel
No, because you can get it from weekly and soon from the creation catalyst
proper sequoia
From weekly? just by doing normal raid?
Won't that get me the normal version tho?
safe jewel
I mean, even from doing rated pvp
safe jewel
If you loot it from the pvp section of your weekly vault, you can get tier bonus gear which scales to 424 in pvp, like your other pvp gear
safe jewel
Yeah but in 2 weeks or something there will be a way to upgrade your gear into tier set pieces guaranteed
lucid walrus
yeah it’s shitty for most people
literally just got 2pc and i’ve been getting cap every week
proper sequoia
ahh okay, that is super neat
gearing really seems soo good this expansion, both for pve and pvp
but mostly pvp it's like.. 3 hours and you're in and queing with okayish results
lucid walrus
if they make good on their promise of no borrowed power then it oughta be good the whole expansion
safe jewel
Yeah it's very alt-friendly. Possibly better than Legion, which is nice
Actually, 100% better than Legion because of AP
proper sequoia
yeah totally
And also this crafting set pieces is something I look at as a good thing
Gets you something to work for too
Like you can get started just fine but there's a next level for the ones who put in the effort
Very cool! I'm off to bed now but thanks for all the information on gearing 🙂
fair tide
I need help guys. You think it'd be worth dropping 1 of the non-tier for the tier? It would give me 4set, but is a slight ilvl decrease
weak swallow
ngl people just opt for the extra vers
the shield is ight
if you go against another warrior / shield smasher the shield proc is virtually ass
also that tier set is
useless in pvp
lose too much stats for 10% dmg in 1 ability
if it was a pvp tier set thats a dif story
weak swallow
too much sacrifice made from this ilvl for 10% increased dmg
i reckon you should just go for best ilvl you can before worrying about tier in pvp
fair tide
yeah, my 3 others are like this
coral axle
but mostly pvp it's like.. 3 hours and you're in and queing with okayish results
Yep it's hella blessed, with just a couple hours getting the honor set I was playing at 1800 in solo shuffle on my lock and dh alt, no other gear needed
fair tide
was honestly thinking of dropping blue gloves
but I dunno
cause blue gloves only scale to 411
weak swallow
for a 6 second proc of 5% increased crit dmg
i can almost guarantee that you lose too much stats / pot. dmg
coral axle
Does simcraft or some other sim work with pvp gear? You may be able to sim it for dmg
Still lose stam either way tho
fair tide
Yeah, you might be right
crude bane
im in lobby with no heal
2 pal prot
kekw
only happen in elo hell
i dont diserv this
30 min q
crimson onyx
What items do you buy for conquest after weapon? Seems like many "pros" are going off pieces first?
kindred viper
Going off pieces cause they hope for tier pieces from vault
lusty moth
a lot of options you can go really, depends on your vault & if youre doing the bloody token stuff you can get almost conquest ilvl in decent slots cheaper
nimble jasper
or wait the next season
or play a real bracket
mystic barn
ya play rbgs
sharp meteor
What items do you buy for conquest after weapon? Seems like many "pros" are goin...
Feels bad to grab "big" pieces when you might grab them out of vault.
It won't matter in a month but until then
nimble jasper
ya play rbgs
was about to leave a shuffle lobby
cuz rdruid named furryuwu in ascii chars
complains why i dont pop cds when hes letting me die to non cd damage
💀
lock ate both kicks and he cant clone other teams dps once all game
crude bane
bro
lemme find my 120 k judgement
into another shit i forget the name 130
and the second proc judement 60 K
i died in 1 spell
fair tide
dirty
nimble jasper
its judgement final reck radiant decree
crude bane
crude bane
my social anxiety refuse to make new friend
nimble jasper
mostly because my healer would rather play FF then get wrangled by resto druids
every season in 2v2
nimble jasper
idk most of the time its dps fault in shuffle
crude bane
yeah obv but i pref blame healer anyway
nimble jasper
sometimes you get a real bad healer but i usually just kill them next round
high star
^
fair tide
then they leave
nimble jasper
idk i hate the other dps tho
so many melee idiots who think you cant hit something besides a warlock
high star
my fav is when you get a clueless healer on ur team first round
nimble jasper
as long as warlock is in the game
fair tide
everytime I train a healer, they usually rage
high star
and ur like ok i know who im training into ground
fair tide
then leave
nimble jasper
i made a resto druid insta leave first week when i told the dk i was playing with on my rogue
to instant grip and we global him
once he trinks blind
burnt pawn
any tips against feral as fury?
nimble jasper
everytime I train a healer, they usually rage
yeah its weird people at lower ratings dont think healers can be kill targets
fair tide
especially in ss where the dampening is already in effect
nimble jasper
biggest mistake I make with bad healers
nimble jasper
is thinking I don't need to trade when they're in my line out of cc
turns out I do
for non major cds
🤡
tall solar
2s anyone? arms war/surv hunter
summer tiger
sharp meteor
2s anyone? arms war/surv hunter
hope that's not a comp you're playing
tribal wedge
Can we reflect execution sentence ?
warped warren
no
rancid granite
my social anxiety refuse to make new friend
theres about 50k friends right in here. hope that doesnt make it worse
coral axle
and ur like ok i know who im training into ground
I play pres and twice now I've had somebody die on my team, rage, and then train me next round mindlessly, only to lose because pres is an awful kill target
Can only imagine their rage
torpid roost
from much less range, lmfao
then again, MS doesn't have a cast time unless my internet's shitting the bed
green wyvern
just train the frost mage
lean burrow
I play pres and twice now I've had somebody die on my team, rage, and then train...
what are prevokers' weaknesses then
seem busted OP
high star
now I want a melee ability ala old slam that takes like 4 seconds to cast but slaps
wheat jay
what are prevokers' weaknesses then
Nothing
lean burrow
rdruid at least is weak to swaps
wheat jay
Good cc, good anti cc, good burst healing, good walls, good mobility, good mana efficiency, good consistent healing, good externals, FUCKING TIME DILATION
Well, maybe not rly good cc
But good enough i guess
coral axle
what are prevokers' weaknesses then
Can't use multiple of your best spells when rooted, weak to aoe cc like intim when shroud is down (short range) , squishy when caught out with wall down, struggles somewhat into heavy spread damage
fair tide
rogue got a new aoe sharpened?
wheat jay
Can't use multiple of your best spells when rooted, weak to aoe cc like intim wh...
Last point sounds like bullshit
Cuz everything it does is aoe
Including dream spit
And flying dream golden shower
coral axle
Nah the only aoe spells evo uses are spiritbloom and dream breath
The big healing fly over too but that shit is dog
mild thunder
And flying dream golden shower
golden shower? 
coral axle
Oh and dream proj too actually
wheat jay
Ye lets find some more "ye X too"
coral axle
But other than bloom it's all close range, if your team is split its hard to heal multiple targets consistently
It also all has CDs
coral axle
If you just travel in one unholy blob the whole match it can be fine, tho you run out of CDs and have nothing
coral axle
Just play with a class who can stop it ez
wheat jay
I can
But I also need to stop other shit that's more important xD
So scatter is usually unavailable
And it drs with trap
Meaning i fuck myself over
coral axle
Just play more shadow play, lock priest is straight pain as pres
molten jolt
fury or arms for 2s rn
fair tide
arms tbh
long ridge
wtf is this rating unchaged after waiting 2 hours in q
full quiver
wtf is this rating unchaged after waiting 2 hours in q
Why would it lol
wheat jay
wtf is this rating unchaged after waiting 2 hours in q
3wins 3 losses
fair tide
what were you really expecting?
full quiver
Participation trophy
long ridge
i thought solo shuffle was a joke to get 2400
wheat jay
Not anymore
lean burrow
on fury it's not 
coral axle
Idk why I see so many people expect points for 3-3 like why
full quiver
Lol
wheat jay
It was a joke because almost everyone was exploiting
wheat jay
Probably like 60% of people that got 2400 there should have it removed
full quiver
That's just a made up artji fact
wheat jay
Yes
full quiver
With absolutely 0 basis on real evidence elol
wheat jay
Exactly
full quiver
wheat jay
We do know however that a lot of people exploited the mmr leaver bug
Meaning, all those fucks got undeserved elite
dusk mauve
Guys where in plater options can we resize pet/totem hp bars