pvp

[clever mango]

or 2

maybe

[zenith marlin]

no the one that increases dmg of both ww and slam

byh 20% or smth

[flat dome]

And still hits less than OP lol

[clever mango]

ohhh yeah

[flat dome]

WTB Heroic Strike

[lean mason]

Man I’m such a dumbass. I wish I did the whole fear spear combo

Oh my god

[zenith marlin]

get two warriors

[lean mason]

I’ll never be a good warrior

[zenith marlin]

spear the healer a little apart

[lean mason]

[zenith marlin]

= 5 sec CC

mf just bugs ou between them

and DCs

xd

= 20 sec CC

[flat dome]

When you spear a lock and they teleport out

[zenith marlin]

locks tend to tp out even if u are not popping CDs

so just time it to them

they also use unending resolve as a offensive to stop CCs

legit drones

[flat dome]

Prefer having the spriest pop dispersion before I pop cds lol

[zenith marlin]

ye

rarely happens tho

why is loading screen alestrazsa so damn ugly jeez

[coral axle]

this is legit right? feels so wrong sitting rage capped with empty globals but.....

reapplying the hamstring I just applied last global xd

[torpid roost]

I didn't find the very low ranks or very high ranks in OW or League toxic

but that middle

holy shit are they toxic

Overwatch gold/plat is a toxic hellhole

diamond? Masters? Pretty chill unless you're inting

silver and below? Too dumb to be mad

[wheat crane]

Keep positive, queue up and work on personal goals in and out of the game

Youll get where you want to be

[torpid roost]

Also, get good now while we're a bit weak

then when they straighten that out you'll be a god

[lean mason]

@wheat crane Thanks for the kind words. It’s just that I keep on doing silly mistakes in solos. Nothing too deep all I have to do is just keep on playing

[thick reef]

bro trust me its solo shuff, u are far from the worst player in the lobby lol

[lean mason]

Yeee. Usually when I do horrible I just take like a day or 2 break from solos

Thank god a gym is like 10 mins away from me

[brazen night]

I get enough of a break between queues

[teal light]

Try to think of your push combinations in this light...What CC can I do as my class that can make my pushes untouchable? Then think of what you have in your toolkit or talent trees. Its not about dumping all your CC in one go it's about cycling them with slight over laps to keep the pressure high...High Pressure is the Arms Warrior way...this is the way.

[lean mason]

I’m not Arms. But I get what ya means

[torpid roost]

same concept still applies but you're gonna constantly do more pressure but have weaker burst

[crude bane]

https://gyazo.com/af1cd9d561ca7081ad2feb7feccfe92d

ah nice

now ppl qeuign in pve

ah yes he going pvp in the other team

[zenith marlin]

individual real estate investors are so dum man

do they rly think they can just make free profits buying a property and renting lmao

[fallen acorn]

Why do we use spear of bastion if every fucking class can get out of it?

[torpid roost]

most have to use cooldowns to get out of it

robbing them of major CDs for your CD is a good thing

[deft timber]

which build is people having most success with?

[torpid roost]

why do I CC if they can just trinket it

[deft timber]

trying to figure out which build to go for, bleed or unhinged. Havent played warrior for long

[torpid roost]

I'm a shitter but I'm using neither

[smoky anchor]

Unhinged is kino except against pets

[torpid roost]

Bladestorm no unhinged pick up EP

[smoky anchor]

Yeah that build is good against pesky pets

[torpid roost]

I probably should run unhinged where I could reliably single target a single target

[smoky anchor]

I use unhinged if it's all single targets with no pets, and ep/warlord torment with pets

Won a ton more last night

[deft timber]

just been seeing many playing rend no skullsplitter on youtube

but thats vers/haste as stat prio, and unhinged is crit right?

figuring out which stats to go for aswell.

[flint halo]

can anyone link the bleed build?

[deft timber]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQSSKlEBAAAAEEJJakAERjSSSkEaSEEAEJAAAAAAAAkkIJAAA

is one i found.

[flint halo]

thx

[pseudo star]

which spec is better r8n for pvp?

#268491842637660160 have info from SL (i think)

[deft timber]

looking into it, crit seems the way atm. also with the new talents etc coming.

so that would be the unhinged build i guess.

would you prio buying off pieces first, and go for set pieces etc in vault?

[pseudo star]

is it worth to us pvp talent death sentence?

[thick reef]

Depends on MU

[pseudo star]

purely for convienience, im noobie so probably wont switch pvp talents that often

[torpid roost]

I'm doing crit/haste

thiiiiiink that's the way

[muted surge]

I love seeing r1 on 1600 rating btw

Is it always that scuffed on the start of a season

[wispy cedar]

no. it’s not scuffed rn. probs just an alt or liar

[muted surge]

Djrio

Prob alt then

[steel trout]

take it as free practice vs a better player 😎

[torpid roost]

I've seen glads in the dumpster, not run into any recent R1s in it tho

[cursive pike]

which honor weapon is the go to? thx new warrior here

[muted surge]

What spec

[long ridge]

whichever one has crit vers because arms is the only viable spec

[queen stag]

do pve set bonuses work in pvp?

[agile aspen]

only tier

[thick reef]

New to PvP here? Is fury considered just trash now I’ve been having fun with it.

[long ridge]

imo it's trash

[tribal wedge]

it's still ok atm, but will be trash soon

[rough mountain]

Is the ignore pain change effective Tuesday or in 10.05?

[long ridge]

it was really good early on

10.0.5 i think

[tribal wedge]

10.0.5

for all talents change

[cursive pike]

so fury sucks now? it was chad in s3 s4 😦

[long ridge]

yeah bro

arms is legit tho

[thick reef]

Well that sucks I have been stacking the vers haste gear with my honour and conquest is that just trash now?

[long ridge]

and buffs coming bro hop on the train

[tribal wedge]

haste still good on arms

[thick reef]

Ok cool

[tribal wedge]

crit probably better

[long ridge]

yeah it's not that big of a deal

[tribal wedge]

but haste isn't trash

[long ridge]

go vers crit next time but

replace the pieces u got last

[thick reef]

Ok cool well time to learn arms. No second weapon to save for at least lol

[torpid roost]

mastery is the worst stat and it's still pretty good

[thick reef]

Did arms receive buffs or fury nerds recently to cause this drastic swing?

[undone pumice]

both

[coral axle]

haste is better for the bleed build

since it makes bleeds tick faster

[pliant falcon]

I’ve stacked mastery all season and broke 2k easy enough, I just swap the same gear for fury and arms. I think it’s a bit overblown this time around on stats. (in solo, but was only after the 1800 mog anyhow)

[grim escarp]

damnit. Im a button mashing ape, can I even learn arms?

[lusty moth]

rampage = ms raging blow = overpower

slam doesn’t exist

execute = execute

[grim escarp]

ohhhhhhh

thanks, chief

Warbringer is Recklessness?

warbreaker*

[torpid roost]

Warbreaker/CS is odyn's fury

[lean mason]

I thought people love slam

Because it’s a OG skill

[smoky anchor]

slam was great when it had a cast bar and you could load up an ms behind it back in bc/wotlk

[lean mason]

Ohhhh that’s explains it

[lethal kestrel]

why the bloody hell are they buffing evokers

so fking broken spec

[smoky anchor]

bro

yes

devoker dropped a 250k deep breath fire breath dot on me over 2s

do you guys ever focus devoker?

so hard to stay on them

[thick reef]

People love Slamweaving, not Slam itself

[lethal kestrel]

I always try to focus them

and its incredibly broken

[smoky anchor]

they fly away

laughing at me

while zapping and breathing on me

[thick reef]

Slam after the auto > MS > their asshole opened up

Simple as

[lethal kestrel]

the most broken shit is their movement

the fking beam hitting me for 30-45k each tick

whilsht he fly around in a circle kekwing

[thick reef]

Yeah, the clearcasting is fucking bullshit lmao

[smoky anchor]

There is something incredibly based about flying around in my 1800 pvp xmog and herbing with my herbalism hat and backpack on

[lethal kestrel]

the fking evoker doesnt even play dps trinket he played emblem and medallion

had 500k hp

and did 50k dps

[long ridge]

what do you guys do when you're disarmed as arms? just go dstance and cry? cuz u can't bladestorm out of it or anytihng right

[steel trout]

yolo trinket fuck it 😎

cant do dam if u are disarmed!!

[long ridge]

damn never thought of it like that

that's true

[thick reef]

Don't play Arms lmao

[long ridge]

excuse me?

[steel trout]

just pre bladestorm the next go and ur good!

[thick reef]

I know what I fucking said

[long ridge]

my face when arms is the only spec warrior can play in pvp

[thick reef]

Just play Prot bro, simple as

[steel trout]

u can play fury too wym

[long ridge]

fury is like drinking your own urine when you're thirsty

sure it works but why even think about it

[thick reef]

Because being Disarmed doesn't fucking kill me lmao

I still can push defensive buttons

[long ridge]

alright don't worry next patch you will join the arms master race

[pseudo star]

is arms better in pvp r8n?

[long ridge]

yeah fury doesn't die.. doesn't do dmg either lol

[thick reef]

Just queue with pumper dps and cc the shit outta them with Shockwave and other meme buttons

[pseudo star]

everyone in top which fury spec is AMRS aswell

[remote mantle]

Fury is fine

They're being hyperbolic

[long ridge]

everytime i see a fury vs me i smile

never had fury beat me

i smile when i see arms too though but not as wide

[thick reef]

I honestly love the Arms/Fury MU

[pseudo star]

bcs ure to good Azur :d

[thick reef]

I dunk the other fuck with a Disarm and nuke

[long ridge]

tbh i did play fury first tho

it was fun while it lasted boys

[pseudo star]

and what is MU?

[thick reef]

Matchup

[long ridge]

dudei smash fury

[native thunder]

Fury is easier for ppl new to Warrior

[long ridge]

true

[pseudo star]

aight then perfect for me

[long ridge]

fury is fun don't get me wrong

and like he said all the defensives

it's a lot harder to die so

[pseudo star]

pinned talents are still fine? or out of date

[long ridge]

pin is good

[tribal wedge]

Fury IS fun for 1 week

[native thunder]

I personally like spear over roar for Fury

[long ridge]

yeah preference

roar is solid too

[pseudo star]

thunde roar > spear of bastion? interesting

[long ridge]

play both

see what u like

[native thunder]

Exactly

[pseudo star]

btw do you have macro for hamstring like bloodhtrist+hamstring on one button or you cast it separately?

[long ridge]

#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
/cast Hamstring

[thick reef]

Maybe I'm sub-brick IQ but doesn't Hamstring trigger GCD?

[long ridge]

i have it on my charge but seperate otherwise

yes it does

if it was off GCD i would be cumming all the time

everytime someone declines solo shuffle god kills a turtle

[pseudo star]

hey it works pretty fine on charge

thanks

[long ridge]

thx glad u like it

[thick reef]

Fury is good, Arms just has really obnoxious fans.

Though Fury is going to fall way behind next patch once Arms gets IP.

[thick reef]

Wait, Fury doesn't get IP?

[steel trout]

no

[thick reef]

Just arms, its on the arms talent tree.

Welp, Fury dead spec then

P much, it wont be bad but arms will be so ahead of it that it may as well be

[pseudo star]

warrior doesnt have ignore pain right now? o_O

[smoky anchor]

lmfao

healers in solo shuffle are so fucking bad

starting to realize this

2 minute ss resto druid doesn't cyclone once

[fair tide]

it's prob best to requeue

I noticed if you do bgs and shit in-between queues it fucks it

[mild thunder]

Fury doesn’t even use IP

It’s 100x more punishing for fury to use than arms

[hot solstice]

hope it will absorb at least 40k

[steel trout]

looked like 50k ish on ptr if i remember

[hot solstice]

I wouldnt even mind surrender impending for big IP...still useless healing with that fast dampening and ms on every spec

[steel trout]

that number might not be accurate once we get it tho

[zenith marlin]

wtf

the upgrade thing bugged for a sec

And it showed that I could upgrade pvp ilvl instead pve

xD

CP piece was going to 434

[slate tendon]

guys

first item to buy as fury from arena s sets?

[zenith marlin]

nice 267k on the PvP dummy

I got no set

[pseudo star]

what trinkets do you use for fury?

[long ridge]

medalion and on use or proc

[thick reef]

has anyone been having an issue where you try to right click the screen to turn your camera but it just like...doesnt do it?

[plucky sapphire]

That's a dying mouse issue that's popular in razers

[thick reef]

oh shit im using a razer

[plucky sapphire]

Pop open the mouse and take a qtip with alcohol to the buttons

Where the right mouse button presses

Temporary fix at best but it does the trick

[thick reef]

ok, thank you

[plucky sapphire]

I went through 3 nagas that all did that before I stopped buying them

[thick reef]

at this point im afraid to get comfortable to a different shape

[plucky sapphire]

It's easier to adjust to than a new keyboard but that's fair

[slate tendon]

first item to buy as fury from arena s sets?

[thick reef]

Weapon

[lunar moon]

what u guys think about PvE trinket combos?

Im using trampling Hooves + Heroic Raz trink and seems kinda bangin

Raz trink doing 10-20% dmg sometimes

10% rather consistently

(This is world PvP perhaps they are nerfed in arenas or BGs)

[thick reef]

Always use pvp trinkets because of crafted boots

20% Reduced CCs is fuckhueg

[lunar moon]

tru

this combo does sneaky damage tho

Ill test it out in shuffle once my ilvl is high enough lol

[cursive pike]

what arms warrior should i copy off of in wow armory lol

[fallen acorn]

What ability is our rage spender as arms?

[zenith marlin]

Mortal Strike and Execute

[crude bane]

how much conquest we earn per week

700 max ?

[fallen acorn]

So arms play style is very slow. ive only played fury. this is very strange compared to fury XD

[mystic barn]

Boomer spec

[long ridge]

it's not the class it's your IQ

[crude bane]

i press snupy stream

151K Living flame

evoker buff is huge ?

[lethal kestrel]

True goes way faster to queue just solo shuffle and herb i average around 12 min queues that way

[crude bane]

yeah if you have a load screen it refresh Q time

small indie company

they try their best

[lethal kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-the-frog-sad-pepe-crying-tears-gif-7939264

[crude bane]

buy coins so they can pays employees

b nice

[bitter olive]

Hey guys! Which items should I buy from trophies for arms? And do we want 2 tier pieces? If so, which slots?

[fallen acorn]

Why are there so many tryhards in skirmish?

[crude bane]

cause solo shuffle is dogshit

[fallen acorn]

Is everyone else dying in .5 seconds with everything rolling as arms?

[lean burrow]

what?

queue resets if you have a load screen?

[crude bane]

i assume there is a bugg

[spice hornet]

feral dam man

[wheat jay]

Had a game today

Man did 45k dps end of the game

[spice hornet]

yep

[wheat jay]

Granted it was multi r1 feral

But still xd

[mint dagger]

any way to set up tab target not to target pets?

[spice hornet]

you can bind tab to target nearest enemy player instead

[wheat jay]

Addon

Retabbinder

Works

[flint halo]

no need to be multi r1 to pull this off as feral. I average 35k every match, up to 100k vs dk/demolock

[wheat jay]

Funny

70% dmg is dots

Do you apply them aoe?

[flint halo]

yes

I even got rid of lunar to have a spare point for swarm multidot

it‘s insane

best thing is that you hit everything with bite that has your main bleed on it

which is everything within 10 meter range if done right

[flat dome]

200k Mortal strikes? That a thing? I see people claiming it on forums, but that number seems high

[flint halo]

highest with arms was 180 from what I saw

[wheat jay]

That's stupid

[flint halo]

yes but it‘s fun to play a non shit class after being tilted by arms

[wheat jay]

Well obviously

[flint halo]

and feral even gets a 3% buff

[wheat jay]

Where my 100% survi buff?

[flint halo]

I don‘t know how you can even think about buffing feral damage

[wheat jay]

Ahahaha

[flint halo]

yesterday I ended a match with 2 people dying from spread bite

it‘s legit insane

[wheat jay]

...

I mean, man got every defensive out of us

[flint halo]

you can kill 3 people in world pvp from stealth if there is no healed

[wheat jay]

And i mended his feral frenzy

Does feral die tho

[flint halo]

not if you‘re careful

[green wyvern]

jungle S+ tier in 10.0.5

[wheat jay]

Possibly

[flint halo]

you have to learn to pre bear stuff but then you‘re immortal with a healer

[wheat jay]

Was jungle with prevoker

[flint halo]

and you have to be able to switch pressure, otherwise you‘ll be useless in bear form

[wheat jay]

;_;

[flint halo]

rip

[wheat jay]

Only feral dmg was broken

And I spent half the game in cc

[lean burrow]

feral used to be target

[flint halo]

dmg wise warr is good

[wheat jay]

Then had to turtle xd

[lean burrow]

better to kill anyone else now

[flint halo]

I hope ignore pain is not as nerfed as I think it will be

[flint halo]

for good reason. Ferals kill in openers if there is lag or healer is not careful.

I‘d still target feral

the more he has to bear the less of a threat the feral is

but a good feral like snupy will still turn the match.

too bad that the feral pvp set looks like shit so I have no motivation to play it more

[wheat jay]

I wonder if the mmr will inflate this season

[flint halo]

in shuffle yes

2v2 and 3v3 not so much

[wheat jay]

I meant 3s

[brazen night]

praying for ignore pain yes plz

[wheat jay]

I want easy mount man

[flint halo]

almost no one is pushing atm. It‘s only dh/dk/prevoker and shadow/demolock/x

[stoic tide]

https://youtu.be/zgrG8qLDbqI DK vs Druid fight 🙂

[flint halo]

is ignore pain already live on ptr?

is it really 40+ sec cd?

feral eats dk

lul what is this vid man

[steep inlet]

11 sec cd

45k absorb

[flint halo]

good

arms will be omega fun then after the other buffs and this

[steep inlet]

40 rage

[flint halo]

easy

[steep inlet]

But good for us

Anger management

[flint halo]

yes

together with bleed healing I can see arms in a really good A tier spot

[wheat jay]

Arms already A

Its gonna be S

[green wyvern]

3s is probably not going to inflate much

[wheat jay]

Sadge

[green wyvern]

rank 1 cutoff is still below 2.4k

month into the season

[spice hornet]

are the leaver changes in yet for shuffle :/

[wheat crane]

YO GOT SOME OF MY SMELL BACK LETS GO

[thick reef]

Is there a popular arms build? I’m new to warrior and PvP so looking for something to get started. Anyone have any suggestions?

[flint halo]

more like b. We don‘t have survivability to ascend to A yet, leave alone S

[wheat jay]

Nah, arms A now

Getting dmg buff AND ignore pain AND free talent point

Will be S

[brazen rock]

multiple free talent points lul

and imp SS talent brings SS to 21 second/30sec cd iirc

[wheat jay]

Ye

What

XD

[brazen rock]

15 sec baseline

[wheat jay]

That's quite a lot haha

[brazen rock]

talent is 6 seconds extra

[wheat jay]

So ye, arms gonna be S tier most likely

[brazen rock]

combined with other dps nerfs, yeah i think arms is about to become king

[wheat jay]

Yep

Sp nerfed

Dh nerfed

[brazen rock]

kfc might be gud but idk how mm will be without doubletap

[wheat jay]

Bad

Other hunter specs suck

Survi getting a nice buff tho

Might push it to B xD

[flint halo]

yes once these changes go live we are A tier but this takes 3 more weeks of low B

[wheat jay]

Once all changes go through arms will be S

Not A

[cosmic yarrow]

Are u guys getting boxes from solo shuffle?

[wheat jay]

I know you all think arms will still be bad, will still be terrible

But it will most likely be S

[steel trout]

If ignore pain is like it is rn on PTR

[cosmic yarrow]

I think dmg a bit too low to be S. But A for sure e

[steel trout]

Guaranteed S tier no 🧢

arms doesnt have dam problem

[cosmic yarrow]

It’s not a problem. It’s just lower than other specs

[wheat jay]

Its not xD

[cosmic yarrow]

So not S tier

[steel trout]

What?

[wheat jay]

Dmg is equal to other specs

[cosmic yarrow]

U keep up with dks dhs and eles in dmg

?

[steel trout]

Arms damage feels good

[wheat jay]

@fickle forge usually does

Well, not with dh

But with dk ye

[cosmic yarrow]

Stop the cap

[spice hornet]

they have a lot of pad dmg

[steel trout]

Dk has a lot of pdding due to diseases

Padding

[cosmic yarrow]

I play thunder as ele. And most of our games our war does half my dmg. Definitely doesn’t feel like S tier dmg

[steel trout]

Ele pumps rn but feel like it shouldnt be that much lol maybe hes doing something wrong

[wheat jay]

Class rn is a tier

Will be S tier

And if you double your warr dmg

Maybe its not a class that's bad

But your homie

[cosmic yarrow]

I’d be willing to bet my war is better than you

[wheat jay]

Id be willing to bet my warr is better than your's

@fickle forge I choose you

Use Mortal Strike

[steel trout]

No mine is better than yours!!!

[thick reef]

rotation for Arms?

[steel trout]

Mortal strike

[thick reef]

and?

[wheat jay]

Overpower

[lean burrow]

and?

Ignore pain

[thick reef]

legit the only reason I'm learning this shit lmao

[green wyvern]

arms is 2 button spec

[safe jewel]

This is the reason warriors can't have nice things. Class looks good -> people proclaim it's S tier before even trying it. Meanwhile, rogues just keep quiet and always end up on top somehow

[lean burrow]

but execute third button

[thick reef]

oh, so just like Fury lmao

[green wyvern]

ye

press W and win

[thick reef]

Because unlike Warriors, Rogues know to keep they God damn mouth shut

[safe jewel]

That's my point

[wheat jay]

Well, you can moan and whine, we're stating the truth

[green wyvern]

people are overestimating arms

[wheat jay]

Noone is gonna buff/nerf a spec based on what randoms say in skyhold

[green wyvern]

it won't be anywhere near SL arms

[safe jewel]

Moan? I'm just telling you that you're the reason why shit gets nerfed

[green wyvern]

it's just close/same as dk/dh with new buffs

[safe jewel]

Your attitude, at least. Not you, specifically

[wheat jay]

Ah yes cuz blizz nerfs shit because someone says its good in class discord

Especially a fucking pvp channel

XD

Bruh

[safe jewel]

Read

[green wyvern]

Blizzard doesnt take feedback when it comes to tuning

they never did

[wheat jay]

Do they tho?

[green wyvern]

3 crits in a row on a monk, yeah its good

dh can do all that with 1 the hunt crit

[wheat jay]

3 seconds is all it took

[wheat crane]

45 min shuffle q

[wheat jay]

And dh is getting massively nerfed

[wheat crane]

its popped 4x

[wheat jay]

At least their oneshot potential

[green wyvern]

arms is gonna be on dh/dk level

[wheat crane]

someones declined every time

[safe jewel]

I didn't even disagree with you that the spec is gonna be top tier, by the way. But I guess nuance is a difficult concept. If someone disagrees with you, they must disagree with you about everything else

[green wyvern]

trust me blizzard doesnt listen to balance feedback

[wheat jay]

Huh

[green wyvern]

they literally dont care

[wheat jay]

Bro, my point is that blizz DOESNT CARE

About this discord when it comes to balancing

Nor any other discord

[green wyvern]

not a single serious gaming company listens to balance feedback

Valve/Riot/Blizz

[wheat jay]

Theyd be stupid to care considering some of the absolutely smoked ideas people here said

[green wyvern]

they have their internal testing team

[scarlet barn]

They do

[green wyvern]

they can forge 10000s of different encounters in controlled environment

[scarlet barn]

But not from here

: )

[green wyvern]

they dont

no

[scarlet barn]

lol

[green wyvern]

they rely on their internal testing team 24/7

this is literally what echo/liquid said

they dont even listen to them

[scarlet barn]

they listne to relevant stuff

Not please buff arms

[wheat jay]

Basically

They listen to Archi

[green wyvern]

no they look at maths and statistics and their internal testing team

[wheat jay]

Because archi provides good shit for them

And they do that rarely

[scarlet barn]

idd

[wheat crane]

whatever make d stance 10/10

[wheat jay]

No

[wheat crane]

fair point

[safe jewel]

If there is a major issue that is echoed throughout the community, they will look into it. Doesn't mean the community gets their way

[wheat jay]

And if Archi finds something genuinely good here

Which he won't cuz y'all are on crack

He'll relay it

[scarlet barn]

Yea people really think these days blizz doesnt listen to trustworthy sources at least

Wild

[wheat jay]

Remember banner changes?

[scarlet barn]

Random on forums generally means nothing to them

and thats good

Cause bunch of peopl eon forums are idiots

actually scratch it

Majority there

[wheat jay]

That was a change found in #arms that archi relayed iirc

Or rather idea

I mean necro banner btw

[safe jewel]

On the other hand, if everybody starts screaming Arms warrior is S-tier and needs nerfs, they'll probably look into that, too

[wheat jay]

They won't

They never did

[safe jewel]

Sure

[wheat jay]

Shadowlands arms in s1 and s2 was an Apex predator of the ladder

Nothing changed

Literally every comp with arms in it was viable

[scarlet barn]

not exclusively

[wheat jay]

No matter how stupid or sub-optimal it was

[wheat jay]

Amen to that

[candid tusk]

Uhm… They nerfed fury to the ground before the season even started. They had no internal data for that imo.

They literally killed fury with sloughter nerf

[safe jewel]

Exactly, and I would most certainly submit that that was a result of (partially exaggerated) community feedback

[candid tusk]

100%

[wheat jay]

40% perma ms was kinda busted you know that?

[candid tusk]

Fury would not be s Tier if they unnerfed sloughterhouse

[safe jewel]

Which is why it proclaiming Arms will be S-tier, before the balance patch has even dropped, let alone 10.0.5, is just silly

[wheat jay]

But it will

[safe jewel]

Sure probably

[wheat jay]

So why not say it

For those who want to play it

[safe jewel]

I just told you

[wheat jay]

Well, if it gets nerfed cuz its s tier, so be it

[safe jewel]

Reading is hard I guess, warrior discord after all

[candid tusk]

They was they nerfed it was to much

[green wyvern]

Ye we have braindam

[candid tusk]

A reduction and longer stake time would have been enough

[wheat jay]

Well, you still get 36% during your goes

[scarlet barn]

kek

[candid tusk]

Ok now you are just trolling

[scarlet barn]

No need to insult

[wheat jay]

Giliodor if you wanna be a sneaky cunt with being s tier go play rogue

[spice hornet]

im scared of any hunter buffs, bm for example does soo much dmg

[scarlet barn]

its what is called predictions and everybody can have one

[wheat jay]

Gimme Survi buffs

I wanna be S tier

[scarlet barn]

Some can be more reasonable than others

[spice hornet]

pls no

[safe jewel]

I'm fine with people predicting

And I agree Arms will probably be top tier

[wheat jay]

You're fine with me saying its gonna be S tier then

Good we sorted that out finally

[spice hornet]

wait did they hotfix in the greater leaver penalty? just had someone leave still

or is that tuesday

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[brazen rock]

Is skyhold about to descend into insults and shitflinging again?

[scarlet barn]

World peace achieved

[spice hornet]

arms gonna be so powerful tuesday

[scarlet barn]

Second one maybe

[spice hornet]

with the obnoxious sht getting nerf

[scarlet barn]

Post your bench

[brazen rock]

I'll ping Luna again ong don't make me do it

[frank knoll]

Naw Calibri isn’t here

[scarlet barn]

Bench

gib

[safe jewel]

However, your attitude of being so certain about it, is the kind of thing that results in premature nerfs to a spec, e.g. Fury

[brazen rock]

Lmao

Aight back to squats

[hollow ore]

do we have to throw our own shit very far to participate

[wheat jay]

Well, if I wasnt certain about my predictions i wouldn't say them

[scarlet barn]

And again, people saying it here has no weight

Cause blizz doesnt really look here

[frank knoll]

I’m glad Arms is the answer again

Fury meta was annoying

[candid tusk]

Don’t you dare

[safe jewel]

No, but it is a sentiment that will become widespread when it starts in a class discord

Not necessarily

But it could

Anyway

[frank knoll]

I’m also glad fury isn’t a complete dumpster cause it’s a good spec to play if you’re getting in to PvP

[lean burrow]

give us 6 sec intervene again

then arms will be s tier

[frank knoll]

And you don’t wanna be an edgy anime elf

[safe jewel]

Was mostly pointing out the difference between this discord, and e.g. rogues in that regard

[scarlet barn]

Rogues are sneaky and cowards

ofc they hide

[candid tusk]

They are better warriors with the new buffs

[frank knoll]

Outlaw is lit

[candid tusk]

And they can stealth

[frank knoll]

65% DR on a 30 sec cd

[scarlet barn]

: )

SL arms was top tier

We all knew

we all kept talking

took so long to actually nerf

[candid tusk]

So nerf it before the season even launches

Great idea

10/10

[scarlet barn]

Doomers

I swear

[safe jewel]

I didn't play SL so I would not know

[scarlet barn]

Well there you go

[candid tusk]

Nah just salty about fury

[safe jewel]

But I did keep up to date with patch notes a little bit and I barely recall class tuning of any kind during SL

[wheat crane]

arms is the answer right now before the buffs

150k+ ms is the truth

[scarlet barn]

Stance was nerfed, Intervene was nerfed

[candid tusk]

BlizZaRD rElIeS oN inTeRnAl TeStinG - Fire the dude who decided to rape sloughterhouse

Arms is going to be very good. It has a good tier set aswell

[teal light]

2 set is amazing 4 set is good though the loss of priority stats might not be great.

[mystic barn]

oh my god

perma 40% ms was not healthy for the game

[candid tusk]

Now with ip it’s should be overall very very good, what’s @elfin surge opinion on this ?

[safe jewel]

Yes, it probably will be. Feral, rogue, and DK did not get nerfs though. Feral even got buffed

Well rogue got some nerfs

[candid tusk]

Maybe you can’t or you won’t understand the problem but that’s on you

[brazen rock]

[mystic barn]

lmao

[brazen rock]

Fury mains trying to justify 40% MS

[candid tusk]

Not even close

A reduction was necessary

[mystic barn]

a reduction to what

[candid tusk]

But they fucked the talent so hard that it’s useless

Even down to 30%

Would be ok

[fair tide]

depending on your haste, its still alright

[mystic barn]

permanent ms is not healthy for the game

[candid tusk]

Even 25%

[fair tide]

just not as strong as before

[mystic barn]

imagine if unholy had necro wounds at 6 stacks the whole time

you would be crying so hard

[candid tusk]

Playing the wrong class kiddo

[brazen rock]

Even better just play arms

Fury is monke spec

[candid tusk]

With perma ms

Perma 25% is fine then?

[mystic barn]

i swear fury players can only play it when its the most brainless spec and dont have to think about anything during a match

[candid tusk]

And every 12(?) sec 50% is completely fine

[candid tusk]

As if ATMs is big brain

Arms *

[brazen rock]

Multiple classes have perma 25% dumb dumb.

[mystic barn]

i never said arms was big brain

did i?

dont think i did

[brazen rock]

Sharpen can be played around

[candid tusk]

Easy to understand it like that

[brazen rock]

For you maybe

[mystic barn]

you want to understand it like that

thats on you

not me

[brazen rock]

Too much fury braindamage

[candid tusk]

Because I don’t agree with your opinion?

Bajheera is even saying the same

[brazen rock]

Why do I care what bajh says

[brazen rock]

Yes

[candid tusk]

He represents warriors doesn’t matter if you like it or not

[brazen rock]

Uh ok

[mystic barn]

buff necrotic wounds to 40%, and buff it so that it doesnt fall off as long as wounds keep getting popped

its only fair

[brazen rock]

Not sure anyone here would agree that he represents the class

[candid tusk]

Is there a bigger pvp warrior streamer ?

It literally doesn’t matter

[brazen rock]

Ohh so because he streams his opinion matters more

[scarlet barn]

Mud

👀

[brazen rock]

Gotcha

[wet horizon]

so..do tier set boni work in arena?

[candid tusk]

I respect mud, but who do you think will blizzard more listen to.

[safe jewel]

Neither

Tbh

[coral axle]

streamer worship in the warrior discord

blizz doesnt give a fuck what any of them think

other than maybe asmongold I dont think any wow streamer pulls numbers enough for them to care

[brazen rock]

Pve tier does.

[safe jewel]

But Bajheera's opinion is clearly valuable, he's a veteran who still competes at a very high level

[brazen rock]

2 set is giga for arms, 4 set is good.

[wet horizon]

oh what 😮

[coral axle]

yeah I got nothing but props for bajheera hes great, I just dont think he represents warrior as a whole

[wet horizon]

so using my 2pc would be good - even while dropping tons of ilvl?

[green wyvern]

yep blizz listens to bajh and mud LMAO

[desert root]

they prob care tho since they gave him interviews so idk

[green wyvern]

too much braindam in this channel

[wet horizon]

405 chest + 395 gloves

[safe jewel]

Bajheera is very biased towards warriors tbh

[candid tusk]

Look, it’s going to far from the topic. I stick to my opinion that they nerfed fury to hard even before the season started. And for the slow minded - sloughter should have been nerfed even down to 25% but rn it’s useless.

[green wyvern]

brain deteriorated from holding down W

[spice hornet]

i want to q shuffle but dont feel like any helping any last min spriest/dh abusers

[brazen rock]

No

[wheat jay]

Everyone likes Bajheera but he's a venruki of warriors

EXTREMELY BIASED

[brazen rock]

You can get pvp tier pieces from vault and catalyst (in 2 weeks)

[mystic barn]

they dont need your help

[safe jewel]

Yes, very biased

[spice hornet]

[coral axle]

idk I know this is unpopular but I think the easier specs should be a bit worse, not saying fury should be bad but it should be worse than arms. or at least have more exploitable weaknesses

[mystic barn]

unless u mean inting into them

bc u play warrior i guess

[coral axle]

fury isnt even bad rn just not dh tier

[wet horizon]

i see. so if the item is not specifically stating "scales to lvl xyz in arena and battlegrounds" it will not work?

[wheat jay]

Also best thing that could happen now

Remove CC immunity from dh backflip

Why does it exist?

[candid tusk]

Didn’t they already?

[mystic barn]

bc it gives the class at least some skill expression

but most of the time they just pop it for dam

lmao

[safe jewel]

That is not a sensible criterion for balancing whatsoever

[wheat jay]

Bro

Not a single dh does that on reaction

[fair tide]

yeah, have both arms/fury 1800+ I'll sit until next week

[wheat jay]

Just spamming it for dmg

[mystic barn]

"but most of the time they just pop it for dam
lmao"

[wheat jay]

Ye ye

Had a funny game, absolutely FUCKED dh

[elfin surge]

what the FUCK

[wheat jay]

Denied him his life

Put him in depression

[elfin surge]

Chat

[wheat jay]

Scattered hunt

Then rooted hunt twice

We lose cuz prevoker doesnt oom

Ever

[fair tide]

it's always fun baiting a DH for all his defensives w/ a dry bladestorm

[wheat jay]

Hello there

[fair tide]

then blasting w/ blademaster

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge what tier is fury warrior rn

[elfin surge]

C

[spice hornet]

yuyp

[candid tusk]

@elfin surge how fucked is fury with 10.5

[elfin surge]

fury will be a dead spec

arms will be A+ or S

[wheat jay]

Shhh you can't say that

[spice hornet]

you could already tell fury was c tier that one week after the warpaint/healing nerfs

[wheat jay]

Or you'll bring nerfs

[spice hornet]

the spec does no impactful dam

[wheat jay]

[spice hornet]

and a weird ms

[elfin surge]

fury was never S tier all of dragonflight, even before slaughterhouse nerfs, but has been the target of nerfs every week.

Unreal.

[brazen rock]

Mud what's the best 3s comp post 10.0.5 @elfin surge

[coral axle]

is the PTR live with the changes yet? I saw somebody in here saying IP has a 30s cd but I figure they may have been making shit up

[brazen rock]

For arms***

[candid tusk]

In your experience would you say blizzard with buff fury up ? Or they will let it die ?

[spice hornet]

well i would read on the world-pvp subreddit, i believe most of those people are sub 1800, crying all day saying fury selfhealing is busted lmao

[brazen rock]

It's 11 sec iirc

[spice hornet]

they will let it die due to arms, usually

rarely is it good

[candid tusk]

Exactly this.

[elfin surge]

prob gunna die

[scarlet barn]

Then go away

[wheat jay]

As god intended

[desert root]

that subreddit hates melee and suck off casters hard its p cringe tbh

[spice hornet]

that subreddit is a cancer

[wheat jay]

This should get pinned

[spice hornet]

tfw still no pvp stormforged rep

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-meme-gif-8007840

[elfin surge]

unreal.

[spice hornet]

i heard they were gonna make @elfin surge pvp stormforged rep but then statb i mean @dekel verbally wrecked mid so they changed their mind

[mystic barn]

@dekel

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge get on wrath lets duel right now

[wheat jay]

@elfin surge get on wrath lets duel right now

[cyan heath]

If I have a dedicated resto Druid for 2s to try and hit glad, what do you guys think would be better fury or arms?

[wheat jay]

You cant get gladiator in 2s

Only elite

And arms

Most likely

[candid tusk]

For now..

[cyan heath]

Fuuuuck

I just want the damn glad Dragonriding mount

So you can only get glad in 3s?

[green wyvern]

yeah

[wheat jay]

Yes

[elfin surge]

wrath is garbage

[wheat jay]

You're just too bad for wrath

Nub

[fallen acorn]

Is everyone else dying in two seconds every arena they play? i have full honor gear and i can't survive for shit.

[muted surge]

Are you saying that bcs you can’t win against dekel on wrath?

[muted surge]

Did you try to use IP

The few solo shuffles I did with full honor felt fine

[fallen acorn]

I die within 15 seconds every match

[muted surge]

Do you have a healer

And pressing def cds?

[fallen acorn]

haha Defense cds?

[muted surge]

Yes

[fallen acorn]

as arms?

you must be joking

[muted surge]

?

I can see your problem

[fallen acorn]

Name some cds besides Die by the Sword that does nothing for me

[muted surge]

Cry disarm def stance

[spice hornet]

Why did they make the change to charge/warbringer interaction? Feels so weird and bad

Or is it just bugged?

[muted surge]

What change?

[spice hornet]

Idk with prepatch it behaves differently

[coral axle]

pretty sure its a bug

[muted surge]

Still that it doesn’t charge completely if they move a bit?

[coral axle]

where it doesnt lock them in place when u cast it anymore

[spice hornet]

Yeah

That

[coral axle]

feels awful

[muted surge]

yea

[spice hornet]

So fucking bad

[muted surge]

Didn’t notice it yesterday tho

[cinder thorn]

I noticed it also, it's like charge does nothing to them

Literally nothing, they don't get rooted, they just keep running whilst I my charge takes me to the point they were originally standing

Also, have you noticed that you can now get stopped mid charge? I've been rooted by hunter and mage etc mid charge

[sage raptor]

What's giving me the condemn animation? Executer?

[brazen rock]

Yea

[coral axle]

yeah I just dont play warbringer anymore because the bug is so annoying

[tribal nimbus]

I’m interested in pvp, what’s the easiest way to get honor for trinkets without getting destroyed over and over before I get them?

[coral axle]

regular charge seems to work better

[steel trout]

just q bgs its rly fast, u can get green pvp gear on ah

[coral axle]

do like 1-2 epic bgs, u will barely make a difference either way and the trinks are cheap

[tribal nimbus]

Ty!

[tribal nimbus]

Ty!

[cinder thorn]

Do battlegrounds, with the pve ones being the easiest

Epic ones are better for you also because you gimping the team with your lack of gear will have less of an effect if you're 1/40 than if you're 1/10

[lean mason]

BGs is mainly where I learn how to pvp in any class

Don't know if that's a good thing but eh. It's working

[rancid gale]

Unrated BGs whole purpose is for learning PvP

Absolutely the best place to learn and gear up

[lean mason]

Oh sweet so I'm doing something right

[uncut oasis]

what arms build would you recommend for trying it out the first time ?

[coral axle]

unrated bg > skirms > ss > tanking random people in LFGs rating > playing with good players is the wow pvp progression

[tribal nimbus]

What’s a pve one?

[brazen rock]

AV, conquest

little to no actual pvp is good cuz with 0 gear you just get ran over.

[lean mason]

Oh big facts

[jolly jungle]

What is crit cap for Arms? Apparently im blind and cant find it

[lean burrow]

crit is bussin

no cap

[spice hornet]

ppl still leave

or are the changes not in yet

[tribal wedge]

not yet

next reset

[foggy matrix]

whats the pvp build for arms?

[spice hornet]

oh good, had to leave this one here

[viral charm]

do you aim to craft both pieces of the spark pvp gear or is the helm not worth it?

[lean burrow]

[wheat crane]

Spear build in pins

Couple point swaps you can do but its explained underneath

[mild thunder]

Helm and feet are both worth

[tribal nimbus]

does tier work in bgs and arena

[brazen rock]

yes

[ruby mortar]

Getting perma trained feels so bad as arms

[wheat crane]

Vs double casters yea

If theres a mele its not bad

Bring em behind a pillar, cc and blow em up

[ruby mortar]

My last solo shuffle was demo arcane mm and me for dps

It was an interesting experience

[scenic maple]

mine was mage, lock, ele sham

wasn't fun

[wheat crane]

Ele shaman lowkey is s tier

[spice hornet]

imo just wait til tuesday to queue any more shuffle

[slim knoll]

Did they remove ignore pain from the coming changes?

[wheat crane]

I just want 3/3

[spice hornet]

what makes you say that

[lean mason]

I will stand by my opinion that Prot warriors are a menace to society

[light wyvern]

may i ask if it's better to go arms or fury for pvp atm?

[mild thunder]

Arms

Only gonna get better in 10.0.5

[mild thunder]

No

[shut tangle]

what are the stat weights for arms

Ik its haste crit. Was looking at smexxin and he has only 12 percent haste.

At me please

[mild thunder]

vers > crit >= haste

there are no specific breakpoints or %s to hit

[shut tangle]

okay so should i be dropping all mastery for the most part

[mild thunder]

find a minimum %haste that feels right (some people prefer no less than 10%), play the rest crit

yea mastery is shit

[shut tangle]

okay

i have not played arms since S1 of shadowlands

[mild thunder]

you'll probably end up with some from tier, but its not the end of the world

[shut tangle]

okay

i resubbed 8 days ago. was 2797 on ladder for shadowlands. I miss mongoing with conq banner so bad

Thank you @mild thunder

[light wyvern]

thank you mate

is there any pvp build I can look at?

for arms

[mild thunder]

check pins

[lean burrow]

is it like r1?

[south kestrel]

Fuck ele shams man

I LoS everything and then they just 1 shot my team mates instead

so sick

[sour echo]

Ouch, never seen a ele one shot yet

[south kestrel]

srs lol

Lots of dumb stuff that is unavoidable today

2 DK's on 1 team with slappy hands just training me, no chance of living

[lean mason]

Those slappy hands though

They hurt

[south kestrel]

mm

climbing shuffle as fury makes me wanna cry.

[lean burrow]

leap+spell reflect to reflect grip

or just spell reflect for wall

stun one of them for them to instantly press icebound

and then rip them after in your burst

[tardy flame]

My entire weekend was go 4-1, have someone leave. Go 2-4 against a Frost Mage who goes 6-0, but I get him on my team twice because fuck me, apparently. Have team mate get 1-shot by The Hunt + DoT. Have team mate get 1-shot by Thunderfist. Can't wait for patch

With 40+ minute queues between each. Ended up net zero rating

[lean mason]

That’s how solo shuffle works

It’s a terrible mixture of skill and luck

[tardy flame]

It sure is

Life is Shuffering

[smoky anchor]

wow

check this out

on a monk in solo shuffle

never seen one that high

normal hit

[mild thunder]

Did you mortal strike twice all game?

[smoky anchor]

hahah it was a 1 min match had some good deathwish procs

sudden death i mean

[mild thunder]

Just a super weird damage breakdown

OP doing more damage than MS makes zero sense

[steep oyster]

hi! returning player here, ik the world pvp gear bonuses doesnt work in arena but why do ppl still wear the gear for the 2set, do you still get the + vers but not the other bonuses ?

[south kestrel]

1 cast of spell reflect isnt gunna save me there

[smoky anchor]

no crits on ms

but i hit 4

wow monster warbringer. 53k crit

[mild thunder]

You spell reflect to block the pull from Abom or grip

So yes, it can definitely save you

[smoky anchor]

hahaha ain't that the truth

is there a big offensive cd i need to watch for rfrom them

[south kestrel]

Surely not against 2 Dk’s at once lol

[mild thunder]

If they both try to grip within short enough of a window, yes

Spell reflect is super weird, and can reflect multiple things in a short window

But either way, it’s better than sitting there like a lemon and facetanking two uh dks

[lean mason]

Spell reflect is weird indeed

But man. It is soo satisfying

[smoky anchor]

classic demo lock ratings

[lean mason]

Like “ha ha you activated my trap card” type of feeling

Oh snap

[lean burrow]

20% magic wall and dstance is already 30% total

enraged regen is another 30

rallying cry + impending for giga heal

idk if bitter immunity removes necrotic wounds

but you can use it to remove festering wounds

they spend two gcds before apocalypse

[mild thunder]

This really isn’t that weird? Looks like they just play a lot more solo shuffle

[muted surge]

A lot more is 20 games

And being stuck at 1600 in 3s?

[mild thunder]

3s is definitely weirder/harder to push high rating if you’re not playing with consistent people

Not that weird to have more games for less rating in 3s when compared to shuffle. Versing different calibre players, more coordinated teams etc

It’d be weird if he had some absurd WR, but it’s pretty even across all game modes

[muted surge]

I mean

That’s kinda the point

[mild thunder]

There’s nothing in that screenshot that I wouldn’t expect to see from pretty much any class/spec

[crude bane]

bro

[smoky anchor]

2500 in solo shuffle

[crude bane]

comon

[smoky anchor]

and 200 rounds in 3s

stuck at 1600?

lmfao

okay

[crude bane]

dont b that guy

[mild thunder]

I don’t think demo is ludicrously broken in shuffle

[crude bane]

2K5 solo it because he's playing busted class he just pveing ppl and climb

[smoky anchor]

it's a top 3 spec

[crude bane]

solo is a mini game

[torpid roost]

he's probably a good demo lock that plays with his shitter friends

[crude bane]

this is the same for dh

they pveing ppl and climb solo ez

but 1K5 3s

[mild thunder]

I’m pretty sure trying to make weird assumptions about randoms is more absurd than anything here

[torpid roost]

^

[mild thunder]

Could be this

[fickle forge]

Demo is pretty busted for shuffle

[mild thunder]

Could’ve pushed in the earlier weeks when 3s were deflated

[crude bane]

lol ok whatever

[smoky anchor]

it actually could be that his big bro plays solo shuffle

instead of him

amirite

[torpid roost]

you're looking at a small subset of a small subset of numbers and making broad generalizations

[crude bane]

give name

[torpid roost]

yes, OP class, but that says near-nothing about what you see there