pvp

[nimble jasper]

and expect them to succeed

[thick reef]

wait even in s2?

[nimble jasper]

when all they know how to do is turret

[thick reef]

that was so inflated

[nimble jasper]

also another example

when noobs think ww is bad

cuz they dont know how to run

[drowsy depot]

yeah mainly 2s I saw it, mlp was fucked but m/l in 2s was just... so braindead, you stood still and never had to move

[nimble jasper]

lol

[thick reef]

gotcha

[nimble jasper]

i ran into an rdruid in s2 on monk

that decided to trinket meld my pop on him

[lean mason]

I feel like WW is been slept on hard hard

[nimble jasper]

you know the pop that's entirely aoe?

wtf is meld gonna do

[lean mason]

But idk I havent played monk for soo long

[nimble jasper]

its not slept on

but alot of lower rated players dont know how to do keefer's burst for some reason

and try to facetank damage

instead of kiting away

[lean mason]

Well ye I can't blame them. WW is like weird weird

You gotta abuse those teleports

[nimble jasper]

really isnt

they cry when they finally realize karma is a worthless defensive

that buys you 1-2 globals on where to run

[drowsy depot]

resolve is something of nightmares, I wake up in cold sweats thinking about mages sitting still hardcasting frostbolt in my face and locks backpedaling into a hardcast cb.

[lean mason]

I could of sworn karma used to be a lot stronger

[nimble jasper]

in mop

it was 100% hp

100% reflect

[torpid roost]

yep

mindgames still scares me for similar reasons

now you can just power through it

[nimble jasper]

then in wod karma wasnt a cd

because every team had a mage and/or hpal

who would just yolo block or bop karma

and kill insta through

[drowsy depot]

wod was so good

[nimble jasper]

uhh

no

turbo

wwdk

[thick reef]

it used to be ye

not anymore rly

[nimble jasper]

red buff rogue

[drowsy depot]

you like mop better?

[nimble jasper]

they nerfed karma hard after mop

cuz 1500 players cried

about killing themselves on it

[drowsy depot]

lol

karma was fine

[nimble jasper]

fun fact in mop

if you tried to intervene touch of death

you'd die instead

[drowsy depot]

LOL

touch of death shouldn't be in pvp, change my mind

[nimble jasper]

i mean its fine now besides the fact

it bugs out

and doesnt go off half the time

because bugs are a monk class feature

[drowsy depot]

hahahah

[nimble jasper]

that was also the era

when monks had a stun/fear break on a seperate 2min cd

[drowsy depot]

whats your fav expac for pvp?

[nimble jasper]

aside from trinket

[lean mason]

I really enjoy legion monk a lot

[nimble jasper]

legion monk was a meme idk

class lost its identity in that expac

[lean mason]

The legs make it soo much fun

[nimble jasper]

mop was p much the peak of that class

?

legs?

[lean mason]

legendary gear

[nimble jasper]

legendaries didnt work in arena

[lean mason]

Ahhh I'm talking about outside of it

[nimble jasper]

irrelevant content

[lean mason]

[nimble jasper]

besides the funny note when I used to run around on tuesdays on my rogue on argus

and oneshot 10 people

with dreadlord's deceit

[drowsy depot]

Wod>DF/MoP>SL>Wrath>Leigon>BFA

[nimble jasper]

literally just wait by the teleporter

and oneshot a raid group

as they zoned in

or uhh rotten gloves with DFA allowed you to gank anyone on their flying mount

100-0

[drowsy depot]

good

you should take 300% increased dmage if you're on flying mount

[nimble jasper]

that was also the expansion sub took 0 fall damage

so my friend would see me chase a guy 1000 yds in the air

[drowsy depot]

yeah it was fun

[nimble jasper]

only to kill him on it

[drowsy depot]

which expac gave rogues infinite sprint?

[nimble jasper]

pre flying uhh, the pvp wq area pre flying with the goats

used to wait on a goat in stealth near the cliff and yeet people off the edge with the knock ability it had

[brazen rock]

legion, stormheim, northern area

[nimble jasper]

yeah

was funny as fuck cuz i had guys malding

[brazen rock]

did it as druid all the time

[nimble jasper]

that they spent a good 5mins coming back up since no flying

[brazen rock]

between ques

[nimble jasper]

uhh burst of speed in mop

only taken in meme content iirc

cuz it competed with step

[drowsy depot]

it was mop ah I see, that was so fun

[nimble jasper]

then uhh wod gave us

deadly throw as an interrupt

[drowsy depot]

ye that's right

[nimble jasper]

fuck i wish the clip

of graycen malding over it still existed

[drowsy depot]

besides feral druids, wod was so fun

I had no idea what I was doing but damn it was good

[nimble jasper]

i dont remember about feral besides dumbass catman form

and the meme that every team that queued feral lock shaman

had at least one kickbot installed

[drowsy depot]

their bleeds used to tick for 150% of your hp over 15 seconds and they had 3 of them lol

[nimble jasper]

castbar not even on my screen

locked by felhunter kick

????

[drowsy depot]

kickbots still around?

[nimble jasper]

no

wod was notorious for them

[drowsy depot]

damn, never knew

[nimble jasper]

there was a kickbotting dk but when I think of it

mes is the only notable r1 dk who doesnt have

....issues personality wise

[drowsy depot]

yo I wanna ask you something about that, have you ever met someone that could hit 2.4 in their first season ever playing wow?

or maybe they haven't played pvp before and they give it a shot but been playing for many many years and they seemed to hit 2.4 in the first season they ever tried?

[brazen rock]

god i forgot about this abomination

[drowsy depot]

they hit way too hard

still remember the bleeds killing me 100-0 in a few seconds lol

[nimble jasper]

yes

its usually mythic raiders playing meleecleavs

[drowsy depot]

srs?

[nimble jasper]

yes

[drowsy depot]

that's hilarious

[nimble jasper]

if you raid mythic at a high level

[lean burrow]

Mud be like

[nimble jasper]

you have more game knowledge than the average low rated pvper

imo

[lean burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[nimble jasper]

and meleecleaves are just

spam dam

rotate defs

call kicks like its m+

idk

[drowsy depot]

fair

[nimble jasper]

healing in pvp is a different beast

but imo melee is alot more simple

[drowsy depot]

just see some people their first season they're glad or something, makes me think the account is bought or just they were banned and it's new

[nimble jasper]

trill got r1 his second season

doing pvp

btw

[blazing sequoia]

Is there an faq for pvp basics?

[nimble jasper]

@drowsy depot "wod was good"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDSsF8OCsDw

[brazen rock]

music is a vibe tbh

takes me back

[nimble jasper]

yeah

this was when ww was so bad wod s1

that double brewmaster bdk was a real r1 comp

[undone pumice]

when you are in pvp combat in warmode only

[sharp meteor]

yeah and now tanks are all kneecapped and limited to 1 per team

[nimble jasper]

psure legion brought all the scummy talents

that made tanks good

[lean mason]

Thank you manof

Man DH's is fun fun

No lie I understand the hype around it now

[nimble jasper]

there isnt hype

[sharp meteor]

dh feels clunk to me

[lean mason]

Feels like I'm playing a action rpg no lie

Fury is close to it too

[lean mason]

I still will never get BGs

The balancing is like Blaze blue cross weird

It's like super inconsistent lol

[thick reef]

The issue is all their transmogs are bad just like Evoker, while Warrior has the best mogs in the game

[fickle forge]

The hype around DH is that it's beyond busted

SL S1 Arms+ tier

[lean mason]

True it is really busted

[spice hornet]

Soulrend #1 damage

[lucid walrus]

i had a buddy who did this but he was playing hpriest in s2 SL

[keen silo]

is there anyway to stop Emerald Communion

[spice hornet]

We got my bud who never did arena 25 something and gladiator first season s2

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Stormrage/Agxhammrtime

[wheat jay]

Disorient

[warped warren]

s2 just about anyone could get glad

[nimble jasper]

dh has good mogs

[fickle forge]

I see you included the whole DH there

[lean burrow]

the only mog

dh is just green fire, crop top and covered eyes

[onyx vale]

dh has trash mogs, that's why they are all naked

and even the glaives that look good are trash cuz they are too small and you spend your time in demon form where they look like kitchen knives

so every dh and their mother ends up using the warglaives of azzinoth

and I don't even blame them since they are the only glaives that don't look like shit in meta

its funny it's kind of the opposite problem of fury, where they are forced to used comically oversized weapon

[undone pumice]

comically large axe

also double armageddon/sorrowbane

[fickle forge]

I own a Conquest Weapon for home defense, since that's what the Founding Vanilla PvP'ers intended. Four Duelists break into my house. "What the Ion?" As I grab my Gladiator's Medallion and Crimson Gladiator's Greatsword. Slam a golf ball sized hole through the first Duelist, he's dead on the spot. Draw my Mortal Strike on the Demon Hunter, miss him entirely because he used Blur and it nails the Hunters' pet. I have to resort to the Bladestorm mounted at the top of the my action bar loaded with Unhinged, "Tally ho lads" the Bladestorm shreds two Rogues in the first tick, the sound and extra Mortal Strikes set off the Mugambala Announcer. Hover Rend and Charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on his Healer to arrive since Skullsplitter wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the Founding Vanilla PvP'ers intended.

[pearl prism]

Does anyone know why sometimes all my stancesa turn off?

Randomly thru a 3v3 solo shuffle, i have no stances selected

??

[lean burrow]

does anyone use number buttons beyond 1-5?

6 and beyond are too far, but after looking at that gif I think a few extra buttons would be helpful on other classes

[silver tendon]

Is there any insane AOE build for RBG as Arms? Or you gonna play more like a 2-3 Target cleave with the spear and unhinged ?

[green fern]

what is best at the moment with arms changes?

i was told that even in PvP, arms still no good without 4p

[undone pumice]

do the F buttons count if so yes i do

[lean burrow]

I mean those

[undone pumice]

i could prob reach 6 but its ever so slightly uncomfy and i prefer breaking my fingers with the ol' alt shift 5

[lean burrow]

I wish we had a small prune of spells

[undone pumice]

i wish we hadan unpruning

bring back iP

and heroic strike while were at it

[lean burrow]

bring IP, remove rend/whirlwind/cleave/thunderclap

[undone pumice]

idk i have not used ww cleave or thundervlap as arms this entire expac

[lean burrow]

in pve it's 10 buttons to press

[undone pumice]

dont pve

[lean burrow]

while fury is 3

[undone pumice]

or respecfury

or respec prot

you either face the needless problems or simply go around them

[warped warren]

why do you have double modifiers

[undone pumice]

cuz

more binds

i also dont use arena123 orfocus binds anymore tbh

too peculiar for my brain to ge tused to

i am a big mouseover enjoyer and quick tab target abuser

[warped warren]

more binds, bro relax

i have the entire keyboard bound but im using 7 binds

df gaming btw

[warped warren]

every spec is 3 buttons

[lean burrow]

what

[lean burrow]

arms is giga cringe with cleave instead of mortal strike, thunderclap instead of rend, ww instead of slam

just unnecessary button bloat for pve andies

[wheat jay]

50 binds

That's good life

[pearl prism]

am i legit the only one who has the proplem where randomly i have no stances selected?

as arms?

when you die you still kepe ur stances

and i dont have any hotkeys that turn off stances

nor any macros

[undone pumice]

prob fatfingering ur stance binds

[pearl prism]

what do you mean though? What am I fat fingering?

[undone pumice]

bros complaining u have to use different buttons in aoe than st XDDD

[pearl prism]

I dont have any binds that turn on and off a stance

[undone pumice]

do u have hotkeys to go into a stance?

[pearl prism]

only to switch between D and battle stance

like i physically canont deselect it

it constantrly switches

[undone pumice]

the stance:nostance macro from pins?

thats all i would use imo

[pearl prism]

yeh

#showtooltip
/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance

yeh thats all i use

[undone pumice]

maybe its being purged off by enemy?

[pearl prism]

i have nothing that can deselect stances

lol

[lucid walrus]

dunno if that's a meme answer

[pearl prism]

I think, every game or every second game

[undone pumice]

can purges not randomly selecg stance buff to be purged?

[pearl prism]

one or 2 rounds i randomly have zero stances selected

[lucid walrus]

stances aren't magic

so nah

[undone pumice]

yes they are

how does me going HHHH and spawning a shield making me take less damage not fall under magic?

exactly

warriors are magicians yo

it could also just be spaghetti making stances somehow despawn

[lucid walrus]

real

[warped warren]

cant do that

[undone pumice]

arent there purges like AT that dont care about magic/nomagic?

or am i just racistly incorrect

[dense summit]

Maybe you have put a stance in one of your macros?

Like a burst macro for example

Thats my guess

[spark grotto]

did arms buffs go through yet?

[ember timber]

Enchats and gems?

For arms

[nimble forge]

how can we win against elemental shaman in 3v3? they deal big dmg

[desert aspen]

You wait for 10.0.5

[spark grotto]

how do we win vs anything?

warrior = D tier trash

[desert aspen]

I win easily with bursting damage, they don't expect me to deal 200k on my mortal strike.

[spark grotto]

my MS never gets close to that

full burst im getting like 50-70k out of it

[lean burrow]

that's still requiring 10 buttons just for rotation without cds

[spark grotto]

how are you getting so much?

[thick reef]

How's skullsplitter been working out for people?

[lean burrow]

it should be !Battle Stance

"!" prevents it from being cancelled by spamming the key

[undone pumice]

imo its pretty good

very satisfying too

hella sustained

best in rot

[fickle forge]

Skullsplitter wounds be impossible to stitch up

[undone pumice]

true

cannot stitch bone

[spark grotto]

whats the current best page for 2v2 arms?

[desert aspen]

High tier equipment and full crit. You want to : Overpower x2; Spear ; avatar ; Colossus smash ; Sharpen blade, mortal strike.

And on crit, you deal a lot of damage

[remote adder]

And on no crit you....cry?

XD

[desert aspen]

Nah, i do crit on high frequencies

[spark grotto]

i mean thats basically what im doing

im 415 pvp gear have conq weapon etc

guess im not enchanted or gemmed cause too expensive

[desert aspen]

You need enchant and gem

[spark grotto]

i know

but yeah 100k + enchants just for weapon

i dont just have a casually 600k gold lying around

[desert aspen]

Farm, you must.

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-8063259

[spark grotto]

farm what exactly? LUL

[lean burrow]

goldshire

[spark grotto]

makes sense that they'd have gold there

so im at 650 conquest and capped, does it make sense to buy up like a ring or soemthing or just save?

[lucid walrus]

would honestly just wait til tomorrow

[hard hound]

farm money irl for gold IG

[spark grotto]

pvp is pay 2 win? 😮

[hard hound]

if you have time you farm ig if you dont have time you farm irl

for get 1500 cr you don't need any enchants

[spark grotto]

the big issue im having is i feel like i cant play without a healer

seem to just fall over to anything that touches me haha

[lucid walrus]

yeah you can't

[hard hound]

pvp is not 1v1

1v1 give nothing

[spark grotto]

and then yeah finding a healer aint easy, they all seem to want to get carried by partners much higher rated than they are

[hard hound]

like irl

you need experience for a first job

[spark grotto]

like im at 1200ish right now but can't seem to get anyone around my rating to group with me its kinda lame

[pearl prism]

wtf

did they ninja buff def stance?

on arms?

or just change tooltip?

now says 15/10

[tribal wedge]

it's 10/20 anyway in pvp

[pearl prism]

aight so they changed tooltip

or, does the tooltip change while inside a bg or arena?

maybe thats what im thinking of

[thick reef]

Welcome to Warrior since vanilla

[tribal wedge]

it change

[pearl prism]

true

[thick reef]

So its not just me right? Solo leavers is getting worse? Whens the "Fix" supposed to come?

[tribal wedge]

probably with 10.0.5

[thick reef]

I think so many of the none-leavers have just quit till the fix

[tribal wedge]

idk, personnaly in something like 20+ shuffle, only had 1 leaver, guess i'm lucky

[thick reef]

Seems every third or fourth match for me

[turbid ember]

I got slapped in ss as arms yesterday, it was DH, Hunter, WW monk and they just tunneled me every game. Felt hopeless

[tribal wedge]

leap out while they burst, los hunt and then go for the big burst

pre dstance, or dbts their stun

banner hunter trap on your healer

and hope for one burst one

[lean burrow]

can you parry leg sweep?

I think you can't

[tribal wedge]

mmh i don't think

[lean burrow]

what about pet stun

[turbid ember]

What's dbts?

[lean burrow]

ok it can't be parried

[tribal wedge]

die by the sword

our wall

[turbid ember]

Ahhh

[pearl prism]

wait 40 mins for solo queue pop

win 4/6 rounds

[turbid ember]

Didn't know about LoSing hunt, I don't know dick about DH

[pearl prism]

no rating gain

[mild thunder]

i feel like you should be able to

it can be dodged with rogue evasion

and im pretty sure it can be parried by FoF

[thick reef]

I always have my team focus the arms if facing one.
Has worked every time.

While there are certainly things you can do, most of it is on your healer and a lot of healers dont know how to cope with the pressure thats about to fall on you.

[fickle forge]

Yes

[turbid ember]

Yeah, I know there's a lot I can do and getting all that "attention" threw me for a loop. But the prevoker didn't rescue me once. I jumped, charged, intervened to get away but I can't build distance against WW and DH. For hunter I probably should have dragged melee behind pillar

[lean burrow]

wowhead says it can't

[lean burrow]

ty

[thick reef]

Now now, parry is just for collosus smash to be nullified, not anything else

[worthy fern]

You can parry sweep im pretty sure

Can blade storm if not

[warped warren]

yes

[warped warren]

yes

[worthy fern]

Just can’t party ranged shit

Parry

[undone pumice]

idk u can parry spear thats p ranged imo

[thick reef]

kek

[knotty tangle]

U parry hunter shots no?

[undone pumice]

parry bulley

[thick reef]

Parry the fireballs

[tropic tapir]

what enchant do i buy for weapon?

[sick agate]

Got two shot as fury against dh and ww in ss, had to immediately cast all my recovery to live from there on lol

[warped warren]

no

[stuck karma]

Being focused in solo as arms is a struggle, i guess i can position better, but it feels like I have so few Buttons to react with

Switching dstance is just underwhelming

[turbid ember]

It is

[lean burrow]

ty

[spark grotto]

im finding i literally can't survive anything these days

pop all defensives and still just die in 1 second

like whats goin wrong?

[knotty tangle]

Try not to leap double charge behind a pillar

[tropic tapir]

yesterday i got 2 shot by a resto shaman that crit 2 bolts back to back

[knotty tangle]

Usually helps to tell warriors that when im healinh

[spark grotto]

ah thats my misplay

i cant find healers to play with

[knotty tangle]

Yeah had to go healer myself

But i keep getting perma flamed

[turbid ember]

Just stay in defensive stance and hope the bullies get bored

[zenith marlin]

then find a dps to play with

3 arms warr

full lumberjack cleave

COMPLETE

[knotty tangle]

Ez win

[zenith marlin]

3 spears

[knotty tangle]

Win or lose in 3 seconds

My kind of game

[steel trout]

how can you lose when you have 3x sharpen?

[knotty tangle]

I used to play trippel dh with hunt

And trippel rogue with the 1 shot

[spark grotto]

I'm just not too interested in 3s right now feels even harder to learn 😂

[turbid ember]

That's 150% less healing!

[zenith marlin]

3 spears = instant win

[steel trout]

spam solo shuffle

u get used to it

[nimble forge]

„spam“ with 40 min q‘s

[tropic tapir]

^

[spark grotto]

I can't get into shuffle I've tried queueing many times and I always sit for like an hour and get nothing

[knotty tangle]

Another reason to go healer

[tribal wedge]

i grind shuffle, and i don't feel so easy to kill, i just can't press my wall to early

[turbid ember]

I still need to get confident with my damage rotation tbh. Need to spend like an hour at the dummy lol

[tribal wedge]

nah dummy won't help you, you have to play against moving flesh

[nimble forge]

in shuffle i think dps slaps dps and after 1 min of slaps 1 dies 😂😂

[steel trout]

press ms

[craggy cloak]

Nah that's 2s

Mongoslap with healers playing their own game in the background

[zenith marlin]

I press my wall to parry disarm

so I can get 6 seconds of peace and quiet

[tribal wedge]

you got bladestorm

[zenith marlin]

Bladestorm isnt castable trough disarm

and I wont BS with my CDs

I usually dont bladestorm anyway only to get out of cc or pre cast if cc

[tribal wedge]

using wall offensively is a bit too much, probably get tunnel once it down

[steel trout]

just bladestorm the disarm..

[violet fossil]

Is stacking crit the way to go for arms?

[turbid ember]

So if getting trained as warrior should I just blow intimidating shout/storm bolt to survive and give up that potential kill pressure or would I just be dragging out a losing fight

[tribal wedge]

some go haste, or crit, seems to be pretty equal

[steel trout]

that is certainly a situational question

[violet fossil]

Ty just saw the pins

[tribal wedge]

depends on many things, are your healer free or cc? are you full or not? Is there a kill potentiel or not? Can you or your mate control ? What the dps against you etc ..

[turbid ember]

I'll just have to learn the hard way for a while it sounds like lol

[zenith marlin]

just play 1k games in ur spec

easy

I know how to play other specs just by playing against them

probs got like 20k arenas or more at this point T^T

[violet fossil]

Yeah just have to actually play arenas

[zenith marlin]

At some point ur spine plays for you

[turbid ember]

I do need just time and games to learn a lot tbh. I change class all the damn time, I don't think I've mained the same class 2 expansions in a row and usually change once or twice in the same xpac

[zenith marlin]

you just watxh

half the moves I make my spine plays for me

I just go auto pilot reflexes

[tribal wedge]

that's it, actual better way to improve in arenas, is to play arenas

[steel trout]

what a shocker

[turbid ember]

Time to get humbled, it's time for arena

[zenith marlin]

Like I caught myself using BS just to dodge Warlock casting stun the other day

I didn't think for it my spine just does it

Just spinal gameplay

[steel trout]

recording ur games helps a ton too

so u can rewatch games and realize ur own mistakes

[zenith marlin]

no that's thinking and analysis

just spine brother

[turbid ember]

How is rdruid, dk, arms? Seems like it would be good for cleaving.

[steel trout]

is good

[violet fossil]

should get a handle on using focus macros

[turbid ember]

Sick. That's what my friends are playing so we should be able to have a decent time

[heady gull]

is Lariat Bis for fury? or a bait

[turbid ember]

What do you focus on warrior? Stormbolt, pummel...intimidating shout?

[heady gull]

charge

atleast i use charge

[steel trout]

not quite sure what youre asking?

[turbid ember]

Set focus abilities

@focus macros

[onyx vale]

try using arena1 arena 2 instead of focus, focus can be tedious

[steel trout]

thats just preference

[turbid ember]

Do you have a keybinding for each arena frame then? Or do you build it into your abilities

Like as a healer I have mwheelup to target party 1

[onyx vale]

yes, for storm bolt I have T for arena 1, shift T for arena 2, ctrl T for arena 3

same for pummel

[turbid ember]

Seems rough, maybe something I can work on later once I get more confident in general. I have bad tunnel vision and spend a lot of time thinking where keybinds are already. I'm not as reactive as I need to be

[acoustic sparrow]

I still look at my spells instead my character so I try to have some easy keybinds

Maybe try some macros

[muted surge]

Macros

[wheat jay]

No.

[thorn estuary]

Maybe this could help https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/doomcooldownpulse

And there is another addon who change the target method from next target no next enemy player on arenas

[raw summit]

dont press tab

[lean burrow]

tab bis button

[raw summit]

idk man i never tab in pvp

[thorn estuary]

Its better than clicking a frame lol

[raw summit]

alt tab target boss 1 macro

[lean burrow]

alt f4 bis macro

[wheat jay]

Always TAB

Tab scatter shot

Fastest finger in the east

[proud crescent]

Hello was just wondering if fury war is a forgivinig spec for a total beginner for war pvp? I am finding the class interesting and was wondering what u pros recommend? Like I only ever watched war never played it but I wanna lvl one up for overall pvp mostly bgs + rbgs what spec is best for a beginner?

[raw summit]

fury is nice n easy yea

[lean mason]

^

[white iron]

Which trinkets should I aim for buying? Im playing human so not sure if i should take the remove effect use trinket

[brazen rock]

fury in rbgs is a bit troll, youll be asked to go arms at some point

[proud crescent]

Ok thank you for ur answers ill def try fury cause looks hella fun but I was kinda worried about your defensives? How do u survive hmm lets say massive dmg? I mean imagine ur up against a DH or warlock how can u survive long term fights? I am so used to specs that can off heal a lot like ret pala but how does an fury war prevent an quick death

[lean mason]

The banter in BG is real

Oh my god

I gotta record it

[turbid ember]

I heavily believe in the 80/20 rule (Pareto principle) in BGs. 80% of the outcome is done by 20% of the people

[lean mason]

On god bruh

Honestly it's too be expected because it's BG and it's like a quick game

But seeing drama happen in a casual bg is like

Funny funny

[viscid horizon]

Is there a buy order for gear?

I am debating between a neck now or waiting for a trinket

[turbid ember]

Weapon then tier gear afaik

You talking conquest gear right?

[viscid horizon]

we can't but tier with Conquest though

[turbid ember]

Aren't you going to be able to upgrade the chest and other tier pieces in week 5?

[viscid horizon]

week 6 I think

Also at what point for fury do we sac ilevel for tier set

[muted surge]

1 per week no?

So getting a tier out of the vault would be prio

[steep cairn]

What’s the best talent point to swap for fury to get improved whirlwind for BGs

The second point in vicious contempt or slaughtering strikes? I wanna cleaaave in BGs lol

[lean burrow]

fresh meat probably

slaughtering strikes if you are following pinned build

weird, there used to be fresh meat talented instead of slaughtering strikes

[steep cairn]

Thanks I was gonna say the pins don’t have fresh meat

[long ridge]

fury has decent self heal and several defensives like bitter immunity, impending victory, leap away, rallying cry, spell reflection, enraged regeneration, and intimidating shout

Alliance has best PvP Racials right, like DIDwarf for warrior? What is the best pvp server for alliance? I know it doesn't matter much but maybe mainly alliance server, us east preferred. Thinking Stormrage.

[violet fossil]

sargeras

[long ridge]

meh sarg is central time though I think my ping will be better in east

[thick reef]

3 leavers i na row, I'm done

[lean mason]

Could you like black list them and they'll not show up to your next match?

[thick reef]

I mean its different people each time

so wouldnt really do much

[primal cloud]

Have you tried saying "please no leavers" at the start of the first round?

[eager mortar]

no one would care since it's best way to climb

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lean mason]

Dang so quitting a match is the best way to get gains

Where do I seen that before

[zinc robin]

For my neck Piece With 3 sockets which are the recommended gems I should put in the socket's

im arms btw

[safe jewel]

Vers crit or stam vers, I'd say

[brazen rock]

vers/crit

pls dont gem stam lol

make one mainstat/vers also

[safe jewel]

I didn't think it was worth it but 2k health per gem seems pretty ok

[zinc robin]

ok thank you

[safe jewel]

But I did opt for vers/crit in the end

[zinc robin]

I appreciate the info

[smoky anchor]

Curious do you guys just blow everything in the opening or do you hold back something for a quick follow up after defensives get blown?

1.5 mins feels like an eternity to wait for a second burst

[lean mason]

I usually just yolo and go all out

[thick reef]

Its a small band aid on your biggest weakness, its not really do anything or you.

[thick reef]

Depends on what I'm fighting. If I feel I can force their defensives first I do that, otherwise YOLO

[undone pumice]

sometimes i hold my ava if im running bmt

[spare rover]

don’t do that, you only remind people of such option

[lean mason]

Also it surprise people because they usually thought you going to hide

Atleastinlowerrank

idkabouthigher

[long ridge]

Is dark iron dwarf really best warrior racial

[undone pumice]

giga chads justwalk up

instantly

fuvk da pillar

giga grindset esp with dks

run in a straight line into enemy grip blind spear gg or ff

[wooden grove]

Dwarf is best defensive DI is best offensive

Especially in the current dot meta

[long ridge]

i'm nelf is that a huge loss? where is human in the rankings?

[wooden grove]

Human is good overall, Nelf is good if you have a shadowmeld script or have the reaction time of a squirrel on meth

[long ridge]

shadowmeld script?

[wooden grove]

If you’re a cheater

[long ridge]

oh

yeah u gotta shadowmeld exactly when some things cast right

idk if i'm that good mb i should suck it up and go DID

[wooden grove]

Yeah Snutz posted a video of someone using a script to have perfect shadowmeld every time he used axe toss to stun

[long ridge]

not rly trying to cheat lol

[wooden grove]

Yeah don’t

Just be a dwarf

[long ridge]

DID though right

I am gonna play arms, I think in 2s or 3s mostly

[wooden grove]

DI is usually recommended above regular dwarf here

[long ridge]

OK

I see how 10% physical dmg could be strong but

[wooden grove]

The offensive out weighs the defensive

[long ridge]

yeah

[thick reef]

You're a warrior, the only defensives worth getting would need to be major. Otherwise its like patching a hull with some scotch tape.

[long ridge]

that's a good pt

[undone pumice]

nelf if you are cracked is bis, human is ez busted, if enemy only has stun u can just go double dps trinket lol, did excels vs dot classes but the str buff even wtithout a lot of cleanses is busted, rdwarf 10% phys wall + dot cleanse is good

orc flat ap good + 5% less time in stuns

tauren extra crit dmg + hp good, warstomp if absolute megamind can be good

[torpid roost]

Dark Iron Dork seems to be de wae really

[undone pumice]

did>=rd>nelf

[torpid roost]

one of the simpler ones to be good at, and the defensive is an offensive cooldown

[undone pumice]

anything else is already offmeta

[torpid roost]

I'm still an orc, but just because zugzug

[undone pumice]

same

i may look like a cow

do not bne fooled

i am retarded

[long ridge]

i'm nelf and i look rly sexy

but ima do DID ugly mode soon

[undone pumice]

just imorph yourself to a normal race

[spark grotto]

what are people doing with conquest this week? ive capped out with like 650

[undone pumice]

this week i bought myself some luscious neck i think

[long ridge]

that's what my wife gave me for my birthday

[spark grotto]

can we go ring for double crit rings? can you have 1 blue 1 purple ring?

[undone pumice]

1 honor crit 1 conqeust crit rings works yes

next week i will prob buy bracers just to enchant

and get drakebreaker's belt

and then rings

[lime fossil]

are dks still better performing than warr

[undone pumice]

unholy still top 3 melee and warrior isnt yes

[lean mason]

How does that make sense

Willneverknow

[long ridge]

are you guys lazy and dumb like me and macro sharpen blade with mortal strike?

[undone pumice]

no

but its not that dumb ngl

[long ridge]

if i dont i think i wont use it as much

[undone pumice]

i have not a lot of idea when to properly use it anyway outside of just kill him now do it do it do it

[torpid roost]

I do, because lazy

but

it almost always lines up with CS cooldown

[undone pumice]

hmmm

true

[torpid roost]

and I have a CD tracker that'll tell me if it doesn't

so I can just follow up with a manual press inside of CS

[undone pumice]

cs is basically a 25 ish sec cd with AM

and big uptime

[torpid roost]

high uptime they align (IE, target dummy, test it)

if they don't, I mean, the macro will still use either independently if you want to

[long ridge]

oh so you use

a macro with colossus smash and sharpen

[spark grotto]

warbreaker sharpen seems like a sick macro actually

i should make that

[undone pumice]

new bis macro just dropped

#showtooltip Rivendare's Deathcharger
/cast Sharpen Blade
/cast Disarm

[long ridge]

what if u have sharpen blade and disarm

[undone pumice]

then u have those

[lean mason]

Soo I did my first solo shuffle

Now I get the hate and love about it

Not gonna cap. Not soo sure how I feel about it lol

[long ridge]

you guys keep rend up at all times right

like manually cast it on your kill target first

or do you do colossus smash so u can snapshot 30% more dmg on rend dot

[undone pumice]

i dont think it snapshots on dots

as warr

maybe the inst adam

[long ridge]

okay but you keep rend up manually right

it's not like protection warrior where it puts it on for you with thunderclap and shit

[golden pike]

can a warlock gateway out of our spear?

[long ridge]

dont thgink so

[golden pike]

I thought it happened a few games ago but maybe I had just missed him with the spear

[long ridge]

pretty sure i've seen them try to gate out and then i slip it in

[undone pumice]

ye manual

[long ridge]

cool

how big priority is rend, like you use all you overpower and mortal strike and CS are on cooldown before you use it? definitely not before execute or anything

is priority like CS>execute>mortal strike>overpower>rend or something?

[undone pumice]

rend is like top prio when its about to expire unless no mortal strike debuff

[long ridge]

ok

thx

[golden pike]

oh man I'm not even using rend

as arms

[long ridge]

right

that's why i asked ima start using it more LOL

[undone pumice]

if its less than 5 sec

the remaining duration is added to the new rend

[long ridge]

that's dope

[golden pike]

waaait we don't use improved execute as arms?

[undone pumice]

wot

depends on build ig

[native folio]

What did I miss? Since when is arms somewhat good in 2v2?

[golden pike]

I'm looking at some of the top arms players in ranked and they're not running imp execute

[undone pumice]

when it got way too much dmg and since 2s doesnt instantly fucking kill you cause its usually only 1dps arms can thrive

[undone pumice]

are they running rend/ skullsplitter at the same time as not running impexe?

[golden pike]

negative

both Smexxin and Exzistance

[undone pumice]

look

rend

dikhead

[golden pike]

ooooh

I thought you mean rend with skullsplitter

sorry

[undone pumice]

rend/skullsplitter

[golden pike]

yeah I gotcha

mb

[undone pumice]

cuz those are so left side dominant both of those builds

its rlly hard to pickup most of the rightside exe talents like sharpened blades and impexe

[golden pike]

I'll give it a go

I kinda hate spamming execute when targets are low

[undone pumice]

exe still pumps

just by default it fucking pumps

[nimble jasper]

who made this

dh belongs in s tier

[golden pike]

DH damage is insane

they're so strong

I could buy A tier though

[native folio]

https://pvp.subcreation.net/2v2.html

Its from this

[long ridge]

oh god what have i done

[nimble jasper]

based soley on rating

[native folio]

Yeah

I mean the difference between A and S is not that big

[undone pumice]

imo A is balanced but strong while s is just giga broken

[native folio]

As there are many classes in A, it seems to be just Assa Rogues seem to be a tad stronger

[onyx vale]

when ass rogue gets nerfed they'll all play sub

and it will be just as bad

[nimble jasper]

dh belongs in s

also people are sleeping hard on outlaw

spec is easily a tier

[native folio]

*belong in the trash you say

[long ridge]

ass is OP 😦

[onyx vale]

dh does belong in S, those fuckers always sandbag

in pve, in pvp

they won't admit they are broken cuz the hunt got nerfed

dirty leather classes

always broken, always hiding

[native folio]

Okay, I want to switch from Fury to arms

what a good build

[undone pumice]

pins have 3

[native folio]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQIpUSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENkkEgiEhEgkEJAAAAAAAAkQJJhAA - I tried this, but the game says "not valid"

[brazen rock]

gotta add a loadout name

[native folio]

I thank you

[undone pumice]

based

[ocean shore]

lots of people seem to switch arms :p

[undone pumice]

entirely positive

[brazen rock]

when all the top wars do it, people follow

[undone pumice]

mud still pretty fury no?

[spare rover]

arms feels much better with 2p

[undone pumice]

2pc owners

:c

[spare rover]

also it punishes those dhs hard, had shuffle against double dh, at round 5 both pre-blur my charge xD

[brazen rock]

yeah but muds a clown

[undone pumice]

racist

[thick reef]

I put it on col smash myself

[long ridge]

yeah i just changed it to CS

[thick reef]

I do arms for my arenas, fury for my solo

[long ridge]

hey when you do a character transfer to another realm do you get to choose a different name if yours is taken

[turbid ember]

This is what I use for sharpen blade and ms:

/use [mod:shift] Sharpen Blade
/use Mortal Strike```
So just press shift and it uses Sharpen Blade and Mortal Strike, otherwise it just uses MS

[undone pumice]

ye

[leaden lynx]

no, they change your name to ilickbutts

[long ridge]

shit

omg i gotta clear my mailbOX BLIOZZSARD!

literally unplayable

[thick reef]

if you want to be sure you get the name change make a character o nthe realm with the name

[long ridge]

thank yo ui tried it's taken so i am feeling good

guys we fkin' made it

we're S TIER!

[undone pumice]

wtf

[lean mason]

S for Stoopid

Also dang monk is S tier?

[undone pumice]

ww is scary af

get domed

[onyx vale]

see those are examples of % representation being meaningless

in no universe is fury as good as ass and dh

[undone pumice]

true

fury kinda sucky idk

[long ridge]

yeah dh is way better

[onyx vale]

fury being better than sub

sub is 100 times better than fury and arms but since all the monkeys are playing ass it gets no rep

[thick reef]

which pins for pvp talents for fury

[thick reef]

Looking at % theres a big gap between warrior and the S classes.
So whomever made that is just full of shit, or its the week 1 list.

[undone pumice]

my pins

best pins

but mud fury taslents pins also good

[thick reef]

?

[undone pumice]

not this

[thick reef]

Hell Survival is at least A tier just so few play it

nvm

[undone pumice]

do not look at that

you get cancer instantly

leukemia

[high star]

you should send that channel to the maw

[thick reef]

thank oyu

maw walker 🙂

[lean mason]

tfw you miss someone with the spear

Man.

I hate myself

[undone pumice]

i have learned to cope with this pain by realizing i am just bad at aiming spear

which is why im a roar bleed andy

[high star]

i only yolo spear

[thick reef]

bro evokers are dummy busted

[undone pumice]

i use yolo @clear halo spear

[thick reef]

I so very much wish roar was baseline

[undone pumice]

i want them to rename it back to dragon roar

[high star]

i will 360 spear a Brazilian druid in travel form running behind a pillar

[flat dome]

As if SS wasn't already aids, but then getting grouped with people from Ragnaros >_>

[high star]

that way when i miss i can just say, well if that hit it woulda been pog so worth it

[undone pumice]

racism

[brazen rock]

ur the one ascribing race here BUDDY

[undone pumice]

realmism

[brazen rock]

OCE realms should be quarantined anyways

[lean mason]

is your name andy?

[undone pumice]

no

but im an andy

[torpid roost]

abruir la fuegoparla

[thick reef]

has anyone played with onslaught

[undone pumice]

yes

do not do it

[thick reef]

how does it work

oh

thas to bad

[undone pumice]

it does not

[thick reef]

i wish it was baseline

i hate seeing wasted talents

[undone pumice]

like smf?

[thick reef]

wats that

[undone pumice]

1handed fury

2 1 handers

[thick reef]

oh yeh

true point

[undone pumice]

-2 talents points for a 10% ish dmg loss

XD

[thick reef]

lmfao

[undone pumice]

all worth it for the double thunderfury drip

[thick reef]

lmfao

[undone pumice]

in sl i made an alt to test smf and venthyr was funny af with double thunderfury, but when i looked at dmg meters it was less funny

[thick reef]

rofl

make it equal to two hadners kekw

for mog

[undone pumice]

just let us mog 1hs

[thick reef]

true

let us mog glaives too

[undone pumice]

imagine an absolute predatory animal charging you wielding two swords the size of his body in each hand while they crackle and explode before he pumps you in 5 globals

[thick reef]

lol

[lean mason]

What's the point in Ai pvp

[turbid ember]

Needing 5 globals? It only takes 1 global for me to finish

[undone pumice]

noob

https://tenor.com/view/zugzug-gif-19108924

imagine this but 2x thunderfury

[lean mason]

Dang

[unreal harness]

might have been asked before but anyone notice their action bar gets bugged after a bladestorm?

like it doesnt show when abilities are on CD for some reason

keybindings missing but still work

[high star]

is there like a universal retail pvp discord?

looking to find popular addons/weakauras etc returning player

[undone pumice]

world of pvp

disc

[hearty agate]

what is better for solo shuffle atm Arms or Fury?

[torpid roost]

fury IME but that's just because somehow my arms MMR got fucked

[undone pumice]

fury is easier esp at lower ratings

arms is based gigachad

[torpid roost]

arms kinda requires coordination

which isn't usually present in SS

but if you can compensate for that, chad away brother

2's and 3's, sure, arms, 100% no contest

unless you're without a healer, exceptionally low rank, or your healer is braindead

[scarlet barn]

both are simple enough

[raw summit]

arms press mortal strike

epic skill

[onyx vale]

if you are sacrificing talent points and 5ish% damage it's precisely to NOT have ugly oversized weapons

why would you mog thunderfury as smf

[outer parcel]

anyone has a good build for arms?

[leaden lynx]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDARCJJJEJpVSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENkkAhiEhEAJRCAAAAAAAAJUSSIAA

[outer parcel]

nice

close to what i had before 😄

[leaden lynx]

https://murlok.io/character/us/tichondrius/smexxin/pvp is the source

[zenith marlin]

lmao wtf is my mmr

was up against literal drones

[ripe widget]

maybe you are just a better drone .p

[zenith marlin]

i legit funnel visioned either the shadow priest or the demo lcok the entire game

and just won

so yes

spell reflect did 5% of my dps XD

[lean mason]

I think some people forgot that we even have spell reflect

[zenith marlin]

bruh the priest kept stunning himself xD

warlock mortal coiled himself

dudes clicked it every CD

Warlock couldnt put gate any time was vs me

[wheat jay]

dog mmr lmao

[zenith marlin]

cuz he didnt have instant cast atlent and I just stunned

lmao ikr

[wheat jay]

bro you need to win some more games xD

[zenith marlin]

bruh do u think i'd win against shadow pri and demo

in a higher mmr

flawlessly?

flaw is I have only 5 killing blows 😦

[wheat jay]

lol

want sth funny?

i haven't palyed in some days

went from #15 survi to #13 to #16 and now back to #15

XD

[zenith marlin]

wtf is that

I am an arms enjoyer now

[wheat jay]

survi gameplay

[zenith marlin]

isnt survival is just dogshit arms

[lean mason]

Damn

[wheat jay]

survi worst melee ;__;

[zenith marlin]

arms best melee

sry I forgot there was things like rogue and DH

nvm

arms the only melee

[wheat jay]

wait

[zenith marlin]

rest are all casters

[wheat jay]

do we count frost dk and outlaw as worse?

[zenith marlin]

wtf is frost dk

[wheat jay]

cuz they're not played only because they have better specs

[zenith marlin]

some classic wotlk shit?

[wheat jay]

survi doesnt have better melee spec

xD

[zenith marlin]

its called beastmastery

ur pets hit harder than a surv hunt

[wheat jay]

lmao

but its gae

also, why doesn't dh have a 20 yards polearm spec?

would be fun

big hitter like arms

but 20 yards with polearm

[sage raptor]

Who wants to kite from a dh anyway

[zenith marlin]

This is why we need tanks in pvp

[wheat jay]

xd

[zenith marlin]

to bully DHs

[regal cradle]

i just faced this priest in 2s

with 2.5m hp?

is this some hack or what

[zenith marlin]

avg blizz coding

did u win?

[regal cradle]

not even close lol

[wheat jay]

just damp him

[zenith marlin]

if u bring him to 600k hp its free execute forever man wym

[wheat jay]

EZ

ye

damp and just spam execute forever

xD

[zenith marlin]

the dream

[nimble jasper]

rogue and ww already do

[lucid walrus]

memphisrains alt

[zenith marlin]

so rogues and wws bully something

And I cant?

nah I will bully DHs too

[brazen rock]

Dhs at 1500 mmr are quite literally the bottom of the barrel friend

[zenith marlin]

they usually cause me to loose anyway

[turbid ember]

The rare 4 KB 3v3

No they didn't cast resurrect either, he legit died and came back to life

[sage raptor]

How?

[brazen rock]

indy gaming company

[turbid ember]

No idea, me and my friends were like "I thought we just killed him"

[sly furnace]

Any updates on solo shuffle?:)

[lean mason]

Idk any updates but man it’s rough

[lucid walrus]

ancestral protection totem maybe

[lucid walrus]

dunno if that’s even on shaman tree anymore but that sure looks like a resto to me

[turbid ember]

It was. Never heard of it before.

[cinder thorn]

Does rend tick count as massive damage

[lucid walrus]

they effectively never play it, seen it used like twice and it was an instant win after the initial kill

[turbid ember]

Maybe they want a sick pvp montage

[lucid walrus]

insane never-before-seen tech healer clutch montage

[turbid ember]

Arrow pointing to a totem in radiant light

[full quiver]

When I carried 0 gear raham buddy in 2s s2 I made him use that

He'd play maldraxxus thing where you're a zombie for 10s

He'd run out of Los and drop totem right before zombie wears off lol

[past flare]

Hey, what's the recommended ilvl to go arenas?

[scarlet barn]

as high as you are able to honestly

[zenith marlin]

omfg

can fuckers stop declinnig shuffle queues

min 14 decline min 27 decline

is it the healer declining jeez

[silver tendon]

I kinda need some theorycrafting @slim saffron for this RBG AoE Build. ( Teamfight) BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDQaRSSSSQSiWLRAAAAABRSACRRk0QiQSoIRQAQkAAAAAAAAgEtkAgQA I will be honest. I´m not sure to which time stamps I have to use what Spell (Or let´s say the rota is not known for me) to max out the dmg. Can anyone have a look?

[spiral totem]

We feeling arms or fury for pvp atms?

I'm having troubles choosing what to do honestly

[half aurora]

Not sure about new talents, but pretty sure the old tree had it as a choice vs stonewall totem or whatever redirects damage in a circle to the totem.

[past flare]

Arms has a big burst but low sustain, fury has a big burst too but not as arms and a big sustain

Depends what you want to do

[spiral totem]

Yeah, I mean I'm currently crushing it with fury, but arms is just more appealing and always has been to me :x

just thought I'd ask, cause I've seen a lot of arms recently

my take is that fury in bgs/rbgs & arms for arenas

those big MS hits look sick

[lean mason]

I see it like this

Are you playing a keyboard? Use arms

If not

Use fury

[spiral totem]

lmfaoo

w take

[brazen rock]

arms is rbgs.

fury is just worse dh

[spark grotto]

How do i get a 3 socket neck?