but they stinky
#pvp
undone pumice
onyx vale
stinkier than dwarves?
undone pumice
gnomes dont exist
onyx vale
them and their broken racial that I always wanted
thick reef
Vers is king\
onyx vale
vers is good but you aren't losing 400 crit for 80 vers
and you want crit way more than mastery
tribal wedge
Vers will be overcapped anyway
undone pumice
empyrean domain bell sound is so fkin good
they should make it the sound everyehere
doing
quaint bison
I’d consider selling my ass for old D stance or second wind
thick reef
Are the stat weights between the secondaries that.big?
thick reef
I want ignore pain but I think pve is stopping us from having it
Why would pve prevent that?
onyx vale
because right now the arms rotation in pve is mostly ignoring overpower in favour of slam to cycle rage for tom and anger management
if we had ignore pain we'd use overpower over slam and spend the excessive rage with ignore pain since it's off gcd
undone pumice
pve try not to be cringe challenge
onyx vale
and some people hate fast paced specs and want arms to be slow cuz
thick reef
All they have to do is divorce ignore pain from anger management
onyx vale
i don't know why, arms was its most fun as a fast paced spec in mop
half gcd overpower and heroic strike
ripe turtle
what about neck btw? is it same shit that u go vers and crit there 2?
undone pumice
vers crit bis
thick reef
That too. But dumbasses go "lul kung Fu panda" like the mouth breathing retards they are
ripe turtle
vers crit bis
onyx vale
they also said that classes had too many buttons
and were too " homogenised "
so they decided to remove every single warrior spell
no more overpower, no more heroic strike, no more slam
just mortal strike and whirlwind
very cool gameplay
thick reef
Peak pvp, pve, and casual play. If mop had mythic dungeons and the last raid didn't last a year and a half it would be undisputed
onyx vale
wrathion is a villain too since he sided with Garry
we kinda just forgot we tried to enslave us with an army of orcs
which led to the legion's invasion ( where he hid like a coward btw )
but he gave us orange cloaks so people forgive him
undone pumice
wrathion being responsible for part of mop, all of wod and legion and now we supposed to let that slide?
onyx vale
well it did kill vol'jin
late nacelle
wdym
onyx vale
so that's a good point for him
onyx vale
magni killed n'zoth
undone pumice
bro just killstole
undone pumice
magni said kamehameha and killed nzoth
undone pumice
we talk about nerfing dwarves
onyx vale
now that i think about it
late nacelle
the dwarfcraftmanship is of the highest quality
undone pumice
tbh just buff horde
onyx vale
If I had a penny for every time someone kill stole a corrupted mass of tentacles with a kamehameha
I would have two pennies
which isn't a lot but its strange that it happened twice
undone pumice
pretty sure wrathion did it eith a shank tho
onyx vale
rip deathwing
undone pumice
who?
onyx vale
instead of giving us a human form boss fight or something cool we got octopus deathwing
undone pumice
why couldnt ee just have gotten onyxia 2 bossfightfor deatheing instead of cringe spine and madness
onyx vale
ahhh spine of deathwing
holy shit i hate dragon souls
every boss before blackhorn is a joke
then you got impossible spine
then shitty madness anyone who passed spine will do in 5 tries
FOR ONE FUCKING YEAR
undone pumice
its that its boring af to solo
onyx vale
no wonder everyone hated cataclysm
spice hornet
Dragonsoul got old fast for sure
onyx vale
(except me i liked it)
spice hornet
The trash in there
undone pumice
just gimme my fucking mount ya bitch
onyx vale
first tier and firelands were awesome
turbid jungle
(Arms) hour long queue, fight rmp and win round 1, someone leaves 
thick reef
pretty sure wrathion did it eith a shank tho
Wrathion fucked up and shanked too soon. The dagger was supposed to one shot nzoth, not open his shell
craggy socket
onyx vale
unholy cuz it does dumb damage and you can abo limb/spear
dh cuz dh is broken
probably spriest cuz spriest is broken too and they'll want to focus it or they die
turbid ember
I love eating spriest cc chain
late nacelle
did anyone else
just randomly get ported out
of arenas
and lose rating
for no reason
calm nimbus
vers mastery maybe?
hasty onyx
Token HPriest here. Arms warriors: When is the best possible time to drop a PI on you during 2s?
late nacelle
yes
torpid roost
Any burst window, colossus smash
Any CS after they've burned peels
As it gives 10%/20% haste, PI on top of that will allow them to totally crushfuck somebody
torpid roost
Colossus Smash
turbid ember
As it gives 10%/20% haste, PI on top of that will allow them to totally crushfuc...
A crushfuck...images are coming to my mind and I don't like it
torpid roost
And/or warbreaker
hasty onyx
Does CS put a buff on you, so I can use a frame indicator? Or do I need to ask my partner to call it?
torpid roost
A crushfuck...images are coming to my mind and I don't like it
These sexual implications do involve a 2h, their rectum, and odd angles being utilized to insert said 2h
hasty onyx
No 2h rectum fucks. I'm asking for Arms.
torpid roost
It does (In For The Kill) but it's better if they call it so you have a little warning
Arms uses 2h as well
Just not two of them
torpid roost
CS is arms exclusive, as is warbreaker
torpid roost
Timing CS, PI, sharpen blade, and avatar together should be enough to munch anything without a hard immunity
WW shouldn't even be touched in arena, do you mean bladestorm?
hasty onyx
Yes, sorry.
red ember
Sorry for dumb question but is 408 pvp gear with higher vers (213) better than 411 honor gear with lower vers (142)? How do I go about making those decisions? Seems confusing
torpid roost
Was about to question your warrior 🤣
hasty onyx
Definitely bladestorm. I have it as an auto-highlight on my unit frame, so I just derped on the name
worthy fern
@red ember no just use honor gear
torpid roost
Kaja, they're approximately equal, I'd give the slight edge to the honor gear
Ilvl means a lot now
red ember
Interesting, thanks guys!
onyx vale
no i think he is the warrior, see how the warrior numbers are white
brazen rock
o i c
thick reef
Are rogues fotm? Thought they are generally always strong
DH, now that's fotm
brazen rock
assa rogue is pretty fotm.
undone pumice
leather classes are never not fotm
golden bloom
Is it possible to wear similar honor and conquest rings at the same time?
undone pumice
u cannot have the same ring 2x
but u can have a haste honor ring once, and a haste conq ring once
giving you double haste rings
golden bloom
Yup, that's what I mean
ripe turtle
alexstraszite or malygite on neck? pvp arms
brazen rock
alexstraszite or malygite on neck? pvp arms
say what the stats are, not the name of the gem lul
vers/crit prob best though
spice hornet
double warrior/healer has to be the worst class stack comp when you occasionally get it in shuffle. our kits are too primitive for having 2x of it even make a difference
ripe turtle
say what the stats are, not the name of the gem lul
88 crit / 70 vers + 33 crit
night verge
where do people get their builds from for arms?
spice hornet
@elfin surge please tell me im not the only one that feels like fury sucks dicks at higher rating
xillidarigodx-Ragnaros on DH is a better version of fury in every way
brazen rock
fury at high rating is pretty eh
second i hit 2k in ss as fury i felt worthless compared to every other melee running around
pearl prism
omgosh
hahahahhahaha
you can actually xmog to have most of your clothes off
I actually have respect for this game now
brazen rock
where do people get their builds from for arms?
copying murloc.io or asking here and eventually someone posts one
pearl prism
Rate the xmog? I have no idea you could xmog clothes off. Literally running around in 1800 solo shuffle like this
spice hornet
second i hit 2k in ss as fury i felt worthless compared to every other melee run...
yeah im 2400ish mmr and every game I feel completely useless. DH does better damage and more pressure
undone pumice
alexstraszite or malygite on neck? pvp arms
i was thinking about going crit in gems but imo if u are not 100000000% sure just go vers gems because you acnnot go wrong with them but you can go wrong with stat gems
woeful solstice
second i hit 2k in ss as fury i felt worthless compared to every other melee run...
main reason i went back to arms
can actually 3shot someone
fury feels weak at higher mmr
torpid roost
I mean you can't really go wrong with stat gems
there's sub-optimal picks
but they're all pretty strong atm
drowsy wasp
Anyone know if the 10.0.5 buff to hpal is big? My healer plays hpal and I wonder if games will be easier for us after 10.0.5
brazen rock
Anyone know if the 10.0.5 buff to hpal is big? My healer plays hpal and I wonder...
aint gonna make em as busted as prev or druid
undone pumice
there's sub-optimal picks
exactly
obsidian loom
torpid bolt
Im regreting about the conquest spear vers/mast for fury Warrior , i think arms it's the best strat after nerfs?
coral axle
I think there are a lot more high rated arms players than fury rn, idk I feel like fury just doesn't have the single target damage to compete with the true mongo melee
Idk maybe I'm bad but I feel pretty worthless outside of CDs while DH seems like they have a small go every 30 seconds
thick reef
Hello there lads. Late to the party. My pal and I we are about to do some 2s. Which healer is more suitable for us? Forgot to mention paladin is banned .
To be more helpful Priest / Dudu / evo are the three picks
undone pumice
dudu good evo good priest ok
thick reef
i see. it might be a wrong channel to ask, but which of 3 has the highest / lowest skill cap
i see dudu as a high skill cap healer with amazing potential if you are good. priest is more straightforward of what can he do . not sure about evo.
thick reef
Idk maybe I'm bad but I feel pretty worthless outside of CDs while DH seems like...
Arms is better with a coordinated group or strong healer
Fury is better in solo shuffle, especcially in low mmr
Though the differences in burst aren't as major as people make out. Though it's certainly there
green wyvern
thick reef
Dh, and rogue for sure. They have so many god damned tools. People may want to put them down as low skill or whatever but no they just have significantly better kits
Blizz really needs a second pass at the talent trees as many classes benefited far more than others. Feels like they had no set vision on what the trees should be so some give a class let stuff from multiple specs. Others, like warrior, seem to be trying to be more in the spirit of the class so it got more vague weak things
gentle horizon
can u equip a 3rd infurious item or only 2?
gentle horizon
so we cant use 3rd spark?
drifting vector
Quick question, im running battlelord/unhinged build, and when i prio MS/overpower i basically super rarely get to press rend/slam. I'm wondeirng if i should prio rage spenders over overpower due to anger management even tho i play battlelord??
vocal root
boys anyone have the macro to swap between wrecking and shattering please
thick reef
so we cant use 3rd spark?
Pve gear.
Mogs
gentle horizon
any limit on the world pvp gear?
drifting vector
boys anyone have the macro to swap between wrecking and shattering please
#showtooltip
/cast [known:Shattering Throw] Shattering Throw; Wrecking Throw
only it shows question mark on ur action bar if u have neither picked but works 😄
undone sage
is annihilator build the way to go for shuffles? DHs doing like double my dmg every time
personally preferring spear
vocal root
thank you !
thick reef
any limit on the world pvp gear?
No
gentle horizon
are they gonna fix solo shuffle? every f***ing game someone leaves and it takes 30+ mins to find a game in the first place
i just want mount progress goddamnn
torpid roost
they seriously need to incentivize healers to queue and punish repeat leavers
give healers an extra 50 honor per won round or something
craggy cloak
They already have bonus honor
Think they might want more bonus shit
Understandably so
torpid roost
throw in some gold
brazen rock
honor is worthless
gold is worthless
solo shuffle is miserable 80% due to player toxicity and 20% due to not getting any CR for winning games
hardy mortar
do a FFXIV and give healer-specific and tank specific mounts for queueing and doing dungeons and pvp X amount of times. literally anything because Solo Shuffle feels really bad atm.
in queue for 45 min, go pee, miss queue. queue again, someone leaves, finally after 3~ hrs of queues i finish one set of 6 matches, win 2 so no vicious progress. Feelsbad.
thick reef
Every 50 or 100 games as healer above rank 1000 gets you a saddle.
Simple, easy, would bring in some people
thick reef
Arms is better with a coordinated group or strong healer
Fury is better in solo...
maybe ratings are innacurate but last time i looked there was about 2x as many arms as fury 2400+ in shuffle
gentle horizon
Every 50 or 100 games as healer above rank 1000 gets you a saddle.
thats kind of in place for everyone already lol
thick reef
maybe ratings are innacurate but last time i looked there was about 2x as many a...
Arms starts pulling ahead in higher mmr due to better groups
thick reef
yea at 2kcr i feel like theres certain matchups i do nothing but wack people with plastic ballons
thick reef
thats kind of in place for everyone already lol
Ish. You need wins for others, and this would be on top of existing reward.
It's more a quick band aid whine they can work on a long term fix
devout merlin
Anyone know why this wont work? /cast [Known:Wrecking Throw]Wrecking Throw;Shattering Throw
thick reef
The matches total is the important bit so people don't just drop group.
undone sage
so basically to get 2400 in solo shuffle i gotta go arms? like, its clearly a much better choice?
will feel like you gotta sit in def stance 24/7
thick reef
I don't think it's a "much" better choice. The differences are exaggerated and high end pvpers are just so accustomed tobusing arms so you have more skilled arms players in general.
It's kinda like how survival hunter has been in a good spot for years but people just don't want to go e it a go. So it's not that it's unviable, just unpopular
undone sage
damn, ok because as fury annihilator build im mostly lowest damage of everyone :/
undone sage
like, been playing fury for years and in pve im rocking the damage, but pvp its like i feel useless
brazen rock
2k as fury feels awful, 2k as arms feels great
thick reef
That or your team mates offering no support
regal locust
I’ve come to conclusion that I’m just bad at warrior. I climbed to 1800 on my DK in 1 day. Been fighting for my life as fury for 3 days now and only at 1500. I Am Bad
undone sage
ok, so annihilator, spear, is the way to go?
thick reef
More than anyone else warrior needs help sticking to people.
brazen rock
I’ve come to conclusion that I’m just bad at warrior. I climbed to 1800 on my DK...
uhdk mongo pveing down 1 target to 2k is a bit of a joke tbh
regal locust
😂😂
thick reef
I’ve come to conclusion that I’m just bad at warrior. I climbed to 1800 on my DK...
Getting rank was easier first week. And DK is in a better spot than warrior
regal locust
Dk does feel better that’s for sure
Fury is more fun, was gonna main it but I’m stuck at 1500 in shuffle 😂
thick reef
do any of yall as fury drop a point in vicous contempt in 3s if its gonna be a cleave fest
Everyone feels better than warrior. Warrior is still based on decade old class design
for imp ww
brazen rock
arms feels great idk what your talking about
eager mortar
I don't think I ever been in a match were the mt was DK
regal locust
Maybe I’ll go try arms 😂
thick reef
Certainly feels great having glue on your boots at all times
brazen rock
👍
when you hold storm all game to try and unhinged cheese someone in a spear yeah it kinda feels that way
thick reef
Warrior just lacks on tools compared to everyone else. They do one thing and they do it super well and have been riding that forever
thick reef
really love how slaughterhouse just falls off
MS and burst. They used to also be tanky but now they're the squishiest class around
They're a option limited glass cannon. A missle you point but once it's fired off they do fuck all and play like shit
kindred viper
queues scuffed atm? game popped, press enter, nothing happened, requeue, nothing happens.
wheat jay
Warrior just lacks on tools compared to everyone else. They do one thing and the...
You have all the tools on the planet tho
You just cant be an ape with them
thick reef
you see my php right?
thick reef
You have all the tools on the planet tho
Compared to who?
undone pumice
hunter
wheat jay
Lol
wheat jay
Nah Hunter is top tier in terms of kit
undone pumice
hunter have turtle and then dies
thick reef
A hunter has so many tools that a good one will run circles around most.
undone pumice
i have only seen mm recently
wheat jay
But ye, it flops hard
wheat jay
Warrior has good walls, good party utility, party defensive etc
thick reef
Out of every class they have the biggest gap between good and bad players imo
undone pumice
first time in how many expansions?
thick reef
Warrior has good walls, good party utility, party defensive etc
Your being vague and acting like other classes aren't also now armed to the teeth with cc, support, and utility
kill rmp and leave it dead forever
wheat jay
At least it was somewhat a skill matchup
undone pumice
somewhat
zenith marlin
warrior has no utility kekw
wheat jay
Well, before s3 and s4 when rmp was beyond broken and immortal xd
thick reef
the 3 specs that sync the best together is a skill based matchup sure
zenith marlin
Rallying Cry baits ur healers into a false sense of safety half the time
undone pumice
rally isnt real
wheat jay
Bad healers maybe lol
undone pumice
rally = gcd spent not doing dmg = waste of time
undone sage
checking wowhead guide and im already confused
zenith marlin
45k
undone sage
thick reef
im proud of you
undone pumice
dontlook wowhead
brazen rock
this is wrong
undone pumice
wowhead isnt real
brazen rock
wowhead guide bad
smoky anchor
Anyone else having massive success killing dh as arms? They play so stupid, I just wait for blur, stun and done
undone sage
oh, icyveins? i mean that one is pinned here
zenith marlin
ye we got some ded pins
wheat jay
Your being vague and acting like other classes aren't also now armed to the teet...
I dont know every single of every single spec, if you do, please point out how every class has more of everything that they can easily take into any Comp without losing anything of value in return
thick reef
Rallying cry isnt that amazing. I'd rather do likebhalfnthe other classes do these days and have e easy access to burst healing partners
undone pumice
fury guide
undone sage
but there is no haste+vers sword
zenith marlin
what is this haste or mastery u speak of
smoky anchor
Rallying cry isnt that amazing. I'd rather do likebhalfnthe other classes do the...
Lol massive doomer here
Go in literally any other class discord and they complain about warriors pushing their shit in constantly
zenith marlin
is this the life of ppl who dont crit?
undone sage
theres crit vers sword, and mastery vers polearm
undone pumice
then buy mastery@undone sage
undone sage
++
wheat jay
Dont follow any pvp guides on wowhead for warrior, literally copied pve guides
undone sage
then buy mastery<@235829665065861132>
++
zenith marlin
u master the mastery and get hastey asf, random arms warr with no knowledge of stats will crit u 250k MS
thick reef
Lol massive doomer here
Go in literally any other class discord and they compla...
or its just bad players who dont know how to deal with warriors
undone sage
😂
smoky anchor
or its just bad players who dont know how to deal with warriors
True, but the same can be said about players who think warriors are trash right now
wheat jay
Iku, if you're writing those class skills then I'll have to excuse you, my break is over xD
thick reef
Lol massive doomer here
Go in literally any other class discord and they compla...
Never said they didn't. I said warrior is boring to play because all they are capable of is a sudden explosion of burst followed by running around being baby sat because they have fuck all to do.
They do burst aggressively well. Well enough to carry their lack of anything else
wheat jay
Back to work for me
thick reef
At no point did I call warrior trash
smoky anchor
u master the mastery and get hastey asf, random arms warr with no knowledge of s...
I swear these mythical ms crits keep getting higher and higher. Just last week it was all about 150k Ms crits
zenith marlin
we act hit 250k now
torpid roost
491k ms no buffs
torpid roost
Nude, actually
mystic barn
Lol massive doomer here
Go in literally any other class discord and they compla...
Never really seen someone complain about rally
zenith marlin
oh they didnt rly nerf MS
coral axle
I have a 190k ms on my desktop somewhere, felt good
P sure they had pve gear though
Hitting people with 0 vers feels good, shockingly
mystic barn
ok
zenith marlin
im very tempted to buy the conquest trinket
the use one
cuz it give crit
imagine that phatt stack of crit mmm
thick reef
bruh why is alestrazsa so ugly lmao
because they nerfed her tiddies
And covered dat ass
Boycott
went from one of the best looking characters to like my asshole after Taco Bell overnight
gentle horizon
fury and DH are pretty close together in pvp
lean mason
They are both pretty solid
Similar in gameplay wise too
Expect we don’t have double jump.
And mobility
undone pumice
10.0.0
Fury IS TURBOSHIT NOW BTW
Haste>Mastery>Crit
Talents
BgEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKHAAAAAAAAAAAhkgWCQENpISkENChkAQkEQSSSIJJRIRaplkAkEAAAAA
Can swap Roar for Spear.
Swap Wrecking Throw/Shattering Throw according to needs (shatter vs palas/mages, wrecking vs absorbs, etc.)
PvP Talents
Slaughterhouse is great, but can get ripped off by your mates if they have Healing Reduction.
Warbringer is good, does lots of dmg cds going.
Disarm is good situationally.
Bloodrage insanely good vs Roots.
Rebound extremely situational.
Demolition combos well with wrecking throw to 1 shot Warlocm and Monk absorbs.
Deathwish is troll.
Enduring Rage is alright.
Battle Trance is bad.
Arms
Crit>Haste>=Mastery
Mastery loses value with Skullsplitter builds, and Haste gains value with bleed builds.
Talents
Build 1: Spear Blademaster's Torment
BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQIpVSSAAAAAJEJJFkAERjWSSAKSEEAJRCAAAAAAAAJUSSIAA
!IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BLADESTORM ON AVATAR, SWAP BLADEMASTER'S TORMENT TO WARLORD'S TORMENT!
Build 2: Roar Rend NO Skullsplitter
BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQSSKlkEAAAAQQkkoRCQENaJJRSoJRQAQkAAAAAAAAQSIJAAA
If you do not think you will be cleaving a lot, you can swap Blademaster's Torment to Warlord's Torment, and Unhinged to Executioner's Precision.
Swap Wrecking Throw/Shattering Throw according to needs (shatter vs palas/mages, wrecking vs absorbs, etc.)
PvP Talents
Sharpen Blade is mandatory except vs Disc RMP, and 2s Rogue Mage.
Warbringer can hit fat crits with cds going, not a bad choice.
Death Sentence is kinda dead since nerfs in SL.
Warbanner is good vs heavy chain cc like RMP.
Shadow of the Colossus is useless.
Disarm situationally good/useless.
Demolition + Wrecking Throw deletes Warlock/Monk Absorbs.
Rebound situational but overall kinda bad.
Master and Commander only good in RBGs.
Storm of Destruction is good vs double melee and combos well with Blademaster's Torment + Unhinged combo.
Racials
DIDwarf > RDwarf = Nelf > Human >= Orc = Tauren
any pinners
thick reef
GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT
half verge
Dawg
brazen rock
Expect we don’t have double jump.
or a good ms
or a defensive that isn't countered by disarm
half verge
Refer to my pfp for my reaction to that wall of text
undone pumice
who do i get to pin this
lean mason
@undone pumice Thank you
undone pumice
@inner drum pin this
thick reef
or a defensive that isn't countered by disarm
Or as much self healing
Or mobility
Or burst
Or CC
Or caster disruption
undone pumice
big wall
brazen rock
Or as much self healing
Or mobility
Or burst
Or CC
Or caster disruption
comparing fury to havoc really is eye opening kek
lean mason
Dang on a phone too? Jesus
thick reef
comparing fury to havoc really is eye opening kek
Compare it, or arms, to any melee and it's eye opening. WW and Rogue especcially
inner drum
10.0.0
Fury **IS TURBOSHIT NOW BTW**
Haste>Mastery>Crit
Talents
BgEAR5QSZgdnG...
that?
undone pumice
ty erga
inner drum
emote
brazen rock
Compare it, or arms, to any melee and it's eye opening. WW and Rogue especcially
arms brings its own niche and you know it
fury brings literally nothing unique.
undone pumice
fury is dh in plate
thick reef
What niche? Burst and MS? Because noooooooo one brings that do they
uneven hemlock
I guess a non-magic fear is a thing warrior brings.
lean mason
I’m level 45 atm but my ilvl is like 102 and I’m using heirloom gear. Is there like anyways to get gear or do I have to rely on AH and dungeons?
undone pumice
intervene is lit and warr specific too im psure
thick reef
I'm not being bad faith. The MS and burst is great. At no point have I said it's not. But it's both a little over stated, and all the warrior brings
It's why the warrior is, and always has been, known as the class that most needs other people to function
brazen rock
What niche? Burst and MS? Because noooooooo one brings that do they
this is literally being bad faith
implying that other classes bring 50% MS
torpid roost
Shadowpriest does, I don't know how many others
think rogues are 45% with specced wound poison
torpid roost
lmfao
thick reef
Budget is maybe over stating
undone pumice
lidl bubble
torpid roost
(during it)
thick reef
Then again this is the same place where people saw fury having some, kinda melee standard for other classes, self healing and screaming "fuck that's op!"
uneven hemlock
DBTS should deflect spells.
undone pumice
give us bfa sr where it reflects everything for like 5 sec
uneven hemlock
Not reflect but deflect.
undone pumice
we do
torpid roost
or, we need to be defensive gods
we need a consequence to being beat on
we don't even get rage from it anymore
nimble jasper
most melee dont have a consequence being hit
thick reef
Clearly the heavily armored juggernaut class was always intended to be more easily killable than some fella in a robe
uneven hemlock
You actually do get some rage from specifically melee intake.
torpid roost
ret does, shaman does, druids do
nimble jasper
rogue the consequence is the wizard hes likely queueing with
is freecasting on you
torpid roost
objectively false
uneven hemlock
The old rage machine talent from Legion is baseline.
torpid roost
noted, Sage
undone pumice
everyone has a consequence for hitting people
cuz of the thorns hat
/belt/whatever
thick reef
I think most can agree that warrior has fallen a bit from the fantasy of the armored badass given their amazing ability to kiss dirt faster than anyone
undone pumice
realistic
nimble jasper
I think most can agree that warrior has fallen a bit from the fantasy of the arm...
monks
literally fall over
sturdy sail
Do ppl not lose rating if they lose?
sturdy sail
i mean leave a solo shuffle
sturdy sail
Okay so even if i won 4 rounds & he leave on the last one i gain nothing & he losses all what a amazing game XD
torpid roost
there are more monks over 2400 than warriors
so... I mean
maybe you're just big dickin' it
oh wait
they have a "stop fucking hitting me" button
nimble jasper
yeah you said what dies faster
and monks legit explode in stuns without trinket
faster than almost any class
torpid roost
no I didn't, but, yes, without their defensives they do
brazen rock
i kill monks through karma all the time
nimble jasper
monks strongest defensive has always been kiting
karma is garbage
so is fort brew
torpid roost
I uh.... unless it's dispelled how do you kill through karma
did they change it?
thought it was all damage taken until half of their hp
brazen rock
you...do damage
nimble jasper
yeah it breaks rather easil
torpid roost
then 50-70% redirection
brazen rock
which monks like to take in droves.
lean mason
I always thought karma is like a damage reduction or some sort of absorb
torpid roost
70% of 50% of their health is 35% hp, their hp pool is about yours
nah it's 100%
absorb
but it's limited to half their hp
then 70% is put on you
looked it up, I was right
generally munching 35%hp isn't wise if you're being targeted, but, hey what do I know
nimble jasper
the fact is hes generally prob not going for a kill
if he needs to karma
and likely book it
maybe at low rating they do
and/or shuffle
idk monks are free kills in shuffle
torpid roost
yeah, that would be terrible to set up a kill
nimble jasper
90% dont know how to port
lean mason
I usually just use karma as a panic button when I was a monk back in legion
Idk I always though it’s a get out of harms way card
quaint bison
Just play DH guys. Press parry off mount, press every fucking button on the guy who can’t bullshit his way out of spear and win 
brazen rock
"presses blur"
brazen rock
because its badly worded
torpid roost
because you can't dodge from behind because you're using your eyes
brazen rock
obviously its intended
torpid roost
they're blind
they don't dodge with their eyes
they just do horseshit beams with them
brazen rock
its been 6 fucking years of blur being the best defensive in the game
quaint bison
brazen rock
and sadly this is the first season of havoc getting to just walk over every ladder they go into
nimble jasper
its been 6 fucking years of blur being the best defensive in the game
dark pact
has taken that role
torpid roost
we can actually counter dark pact
sage raptor
Imagine getting a full extra health pool just by participating
undone pumice
pins upgraded
more arms builds and racials
if anyone has something you think should be changed pls let me know
torpid roost
I want Deathwish to be good but god is it not good
then again fury thinks they don't do enough burst
heyyy kid, want some of that burst damage?
torpid roost
but in arena you're meat
undone pumice
dw fury was "ok" in arena when we had the cb charge
torpid roost
I wish deathwish could stack a bit faster and lasted about twice as long
I really like it for PVE/world shit
for what should be relatively obvious reasons
can anyone give me the math on Vers scaling/capping?
like it starts to DR at 30% is the common knowledge, but, by how much?
turbid ember
I thought it was exponential
torpid roost
Inv exponential like armor calculation?
So effectively every point is aa effective as the last but it has to DR because it would be shrinking a smaller and smaller pool of damage?
turbid ember
I'm really not sure. That's what I thought it was, so it's pretty baseless
left scarab
pins upgraded
ty
undone pumice
theres always some room for customization depending on enemy comp if u want btw
what
torpid roost
you're in the pvp channel m8
kindred viper
??? 2 prot paladins instead of healers, jesus
undone pumice
lmao
torpid roost
kek
hoary mason
SO I am
stuck moss
Yo, if i cant afford sophic devotion, should i use 2 vers 2 prim stat or 1 of each for fury
undone pumice
sohpic bestest
stuck moss
okay once again, i canta fford the epic enchants.
left scarab
get devotion
smoky anchor
Regularly does a large portion of my damage and also crits randomly
stuck moss
okay just making sure
smoky anchor
okay once again, i canta fford the epic enchants.
Frozen devotion or nothing, honestly, just farm up the gold with mining and herbalism while waiting for queues. Rank 2 is still really good and like 80% cheaper
covert kernel
hey, just hit 70 on fury, kind of got an idea of how the spec works, whats a good tree to run if I wanna start farmin honor gear?
I have no pieces yet
undone pumice
pins
covert kernel
thanks friend
woeful solstice
do you guys like to macro sharpen into colossus?
smoky anchor
hey, just hit 70 on fury, kind of got an idea of how the spec works, whats a goo...
Do comp stomp but do a build with annihilator
Rotation is like 3 buttons
Burst for a kill is like 2 more buttons on top of that
Comp stomp someone said they got full honor gear in like 1 or 2 hours
stuck moss
yeah it took me 2 hours
undone pumice
compstomp is giga honor farm
stuck moss
i just hit 70 today
covert kernel
compstomp is giga honor farm
the brawl?
stuck moss
yeah
covert kernel
word
left scarab
are there any recommended weak auras for war or is that purely a preference thing?
undone pumice
pref but i can give some of my wa
i have trackers for buffs/debuffs mainly, bladestorm duration,rend, dbts, rally
thick reef
is the sparks of life weekly for trophy of strife not every week or can i just not find it for some reason atm
undone pumice
it is weekly, did you not turn in last week's quest last week?
torpid roost
okay once again, i canta fford the epic enchants.
Go farm, couple hours you can afford them
thick reef
thought i did
smoky anchor
is the sparks of life weekly for trophy of strife not every week or can i just n...
It's from the guy across the entry from the world pvp vendor
It is weekly
thick reef
yea ive picked up the other quests on tuesday, but just dont recall getting the sparks quest, just a kill 25 horde players, do epic bgs and queue arena
smoky anchor
It's in ohnoran plains or whatever
You might have grabbed it without thinking check your log for quests there
left scarab
pref but i can give some of my wa
if you wouldnt mind that would be great ty
sharp meteor
is the sparks of life weekly for trophy of strife not every week or can i just n...
It's weekly. Grab it from the pvp hall.
I just fly around and grab dirt piles and it takes 15-20 mins to wrap up.
thick reef
i did it the first 2 weeks, in azure and thaldraxus. i just didnt get this one
seems like a bug or im just so stoned i did it on tuesday and forgot but im 99.9 sure i didnt
covert kernel
which pvp build would be more suited to arena, generally speaking, not comp specific
for fury
covert kernel
the one with no skullsplitter?
thick reef
yea the 3 pinned by mud
covert kernel
thank you
gentle horizon
im not getting trophy of strife quest this week
smoky anchor
Should the burst for arms be stun > smash > spear > sharpen > avatar > use up execute procs > bladestorm?
mild thunder
the one with no skullsplitter?
Arms or fury?
covert kernel
Arms or fury?
fury
mild thunder
You said fury but then you’re asking about skullsplitter
covert kernel
ah I guess I was mistaken, still new to warr. Was asking the best general build for fury in arena.
mild thunder
Nws, yea the bloodthirst/annihilator build in pins is best by far for fury
covert kernel
right on thanks
mild thunder
it is weekly, did you not turn in last week's quest last week?
Have you actually tested if mastery increases DW damage?
undone pumice
it def increases dw damage
mild thunder
It increases the damage amp, not the bleed damage
undone pumice
both
mild thunder
When was the last time you tested it?
undone pumice
2 seconds
mild thunder
If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I tested it last week
undone pumice
mby its just fucky
mild thunder
Through all of SL until now, it only increases the damage amp
thick reef
am i wrong for thinking ww should generally be focused no matter the other dps cause of how much touch of death does if they stay at full hp
mild thunder
Yes
smoky anchor
Yeah I almost never focus them
mild thunder
That’s not how touch of death works
thick reef
is it not a hp descrepency thing
smoky anchor
It is
If they have less health than u, you can touch of death for your full health. Not sure how it works in pvp tho, might be diff
mild thunder
If they have less health than u, you can touch of death for your full health. No...
Doesn’t work anything like this in pvp
It’s just a <15% execute in PvP
Damage will always do the same regardless of their current hp
thick reef
aight thanks
smoky anchor
mild thunder
Yep, literally what I said
smoky anchor
Ya, < 15% health = touch of death for 35% of their max health
fallen cave
Hey guys, would you recommend the Haste or Crit conquest necklace piece for Arms?
raw summit
@undone pumice4set aquired
undone pumice
pog
autumn whale
So do u just avoid hitting monkanwhen they have it activated?
fallen cave
Many are saying crit is the second highest priority after vers, yet most high rated players play the hast vers necklace
mild thunder
So do u just avoid hitting monkanwhen they have it activated?
Have what activated?
undone pumice
cuz they like haste
autumn whale
Have what activated?
Touch of death
thick reef
karmas the no no
undone pumice
theres always gonna be personal preference
autumn whale
Oh yeah! Karma
mild thunder
And no, karma is a shit defensive, it’s like one mortal strike
undone pumice
idk karma doesnt do shit
autumn whale
Oh ok sweet haha jeep slapping then 👍
undone pumice
ihave yet to stop hitting a monk cuz of karma this expansion
mild thunder
Unless you’re super low hp or healer is cc’d, just go through it
thick reef
hmm ok
undone pumice
monks main defensive is him going boing boing away from you, port, disarm, or killing you dead in 1 sweep
thick reef
yall save stun for fists?
mild thunder
ihave yet to stop hitting a monk cuz of karma this expansion
I miss wod, when you actually were like “oh shit, karma swap”
outer hornet
I wonder if it will ever get better
undone pumice
yall save stun for fists?
sometimes u need to stun some1 else but generally i will try to save it for fists
mild thunder
yall save stun for fists?
Most of the time, yes
torpid roost
I wonder if it will ever get better
the algorithm to determine the time to get in just averages people's queue times together
healers get instant queues
mild thunder
@undone pumice just double-checked, and yea mastery does not increase DW damage, only the damage amplifier
smoky anchor
I wonder if it will ever get better
Conquest earned from healing should be in the form of an account bound token
mild thunder
so technically sks builds decrease the value of mastery, because the higher your mastery, the greater your damage loss on the ms after sks
undone pumice
<@510202099368329216> just double-checked, and yea mastery does not increase DW ...
thats still good tho
the amplifier is big
mild thunder
its not bad, but it doesnt provide any special increase to bleed builds
undone pumice
also pretty sure the sksp build doesnt consume deep wounds
mild thunder
it does
undone pumice
zamn
mild thunder
for any bleed build, haste will gain value (potentially overtake crit), because it increases the tick rate of your dots
undone pumice
aight i updated
mild thunder
aight i updated
undone pumice
Mastery losrs value eith skullsplitter builds, haste gains value on bleed builds
smoky anchor
Does shattering throw remove netherwalk?
mild thunder
no
sly furnace
So in 2s against dh what can we do? 😄
fallen cave
disarm on cooldown and pray
sly furnace
cant they just trolol and the disarm is gone?
gutted my mmr in solo so now its kinda rip 🙂 should have done like everyone else and leave but thats not my way
smoky anchor
So in 2s against dh what can we do? 😄
Bait our blur because they have to precast it in order for it to work, then go full ham on them
Might have to do it twice since netherwalk can stop your first one
Been having zero issues killing demon hunters once I started calling them out as focus targets. They're surprisingly easy to kite too if you help peel
And ya I feel like disarm hardly stops their damage but the class discord seems to think otherwise
smoky anchor
Hmmmm
thick reef
yea ive tried taking the 5 ms off for it a couple times in games where i feel like getting stuck isnt gonna be an issue
do yall think its worth wearing 2 408 pieces for the drakebreakers 2pc vers bonus
undone pumice
it doeent work in arena
undone pumice
thick reef
is it a huge deal to leave one of my weapons with a frozen writ instead of 2x frozen devotion since ive already spent a small fortune on fuckin weapon enchants this xpac
idk how much marginial differences like that matter
undone pumice
its fine
get the best u can afford comfortably, i was still running gold writ until today
mild thunder
Bait our blur because they have to precast it in order for it to work, then go f...
if the dh class discord thinks disarm does anything to their damage, their IQ is equal to their chromosomes
0
keen basalt
So Sophic devotion or Frozen devotion for fury pvp?
undone pumice
for fury frozen is a lot better than arms
so id prob go double frozen or 1 sophic 1 frozen
thick reef
is there somewhere in details that shows intervenes
need to prove a point to this fuckface
gusty turtle
Buff uptime on the player that got intervened
thick reef
ty
left scarab
noob q but whats the minimum focus macro i need? stormbolt, pummel, disarm, fear shout?
undone pumice
u dont need any macros
but imo fear macro is not that good since its an aoe around u anyway
bolt pummel disarm are good
steel rune
You need a focus fear because you can miss your intended target even if it’s aoe
left scarab
o
steel rune
Also fear does different thing based on primary target and off targets
kind fog
can someone explain to me what' is fury rotation in pvp
whaty am i supposed to do to do damage
undone pumice
can someone explain to me what' is fury rotation in pvp
bloodthirst until you can rampage
steel rune
Fearing primary target makes them stay still off targets run away
kind fog
i do half the damage of everyone for osme reason
left scarab
can someone explain to me what' is fury rotation in pvp
bloodlust rampage bloodbath bloodbath rampage bloodbath bloodbath rampage
undone pumice
i do half the damage of everyone for osme reason
whats your pvp ilvl?
kind fog
411 just bought one weap conquest
thick reef
na but i remember back to rbg comms and wonder man...
sharp meteor
i dont read bg chat because people who type in bg chat are demented
thick reef
so much mental illness
sharp meteor
i found out somebody who leads ebgs all day is legit like a 80 year old woman
undone pumice
i look at chat during normal bgs all the time because if im not shittalking people im reading what they are typing so i can shittalk them better
sharp meteor
she has like 2 million honorable kills and just calls out the most random batshit strats
undone pumice
she has like 2 million honorable kills and just calls out the most random batshi...
okay guys so we will all go up to lumbermill and goblin glide to stables
concede blacksmith and farm
lean mason
Like I’ve seen people banter and stuff but man. People be getting each others throats for the smallest things
Like damn man smoke some pot or whatever homie
But anyway that’s my day how’s y’all
thick reef
i dont not smoke while playing this, you get used to it
lean mason
That’s a good point. Especially since I’m playing fury. But if I was playing a hunter maybe
undone pumice
my reactions are already starting to become boomer im like a 200ms andy already
but afaik reaction times fluctutae like around 30ms da t o day depending on ur current condition
lean mason
My reaction speed is terrible enough. Like dial up internet terrible
That’s why I warn people in arenas
I don’t think I’m going to arena often
lean mason
Oh big facts
royal wing
how can you game if you are high your reactions are slow
you get high enough and you hit ultra instinct and can see the moves before they come, but that point is dangerously close to "too high to play"
torpid roost
my reactions are already starting to become boomer im like a 200ms andy already
I'm actually old and I'm sub-180 pretty consistently
Maybe update your monitor tech or something
Or do way less psychoactive drugs
torpid roost
Oh those fucking suck mate, I'm sorry
sharp meteor
my reactions are already starting to become boomer im like a 200ms andy already
can offset that a bit by just planning stuff out in advance
wow is a pretty boomer game
sharp meteor
more reaction time always good but it's more the synergy/knowledge/awareness that helps
every rival dh insta kicking first cast they see 0.2 seconds in
as if that's gonna win games
thick reef
anyone have the shattering/wrecking throw macro?
undone pumice
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [known:Shattering Throw] Shattering Throw; Wrecking Throw
/openfire
see if this works
thick reef
what is /openfire doing?
undone pumice
makes your char say OPEN FIRE
sharp meteor
it makes ur char scream open fire
undone pumice
i have /forthehorde macroed in my fear
sharp meteor
so heroic
undone pumice
no
lucid walrus
i forget if /insult still lets you target players
torpid roost
definitely can't spit
lucid walrus
dropping that in a fear macro for “you think [x] is the son of a motherless ogre” sounds neat
undone pumice
i forget if /insult still lets you target players
works
lucid walrus
sick
jovial meteor
Do you guys bother switching out shattering throw for specific comps? Idk what I choose instead
sharp meteor
wreck every game for me
or rather wreck if shields
otherwise nothing in that slot
zenith marlin
1st lower body day after a week of covid
still sick but could do some lunges and hip thrusts
undone pumice
Do you guys bother switching out shattering throw for specific comps? Idk what I...
ususally if i have no use for either throw i take uproar, fast footwork or concussive blows
tall compass
what the best pick on the 2 hand conquest weapons Crit/Vers or Vers/Mastery one? i play as fury
undone pumice
what spec r u
tall compass
fury
undone pumice
mastery
tall compass
thanks:)
lean mason
Is fury warrior more sustain or burst?
I feel like we are more sustain. But that’s just me
tropic panther
Guys, if I join mercenary mode do I get 50% honor buff in BGs as ally originally gets ?
near delta
otherwise nothing in that slot
Losing all the talent selections underneath wreck/shatter if you don't unselect a leaf node first is so troll
warped warren
makes your char say OPEN FIRE
cringe
undone pumice
u fucking weirdo
undone pumice
u look through 18237137 messages to say cringe
warped warren
no?
tame raptor
whats the best gem for my neck for arms?
full quiver
Yeah that is cringe
warped warren
cringe
full quiver
Eto more like weirdto
full quiver
Kek
undone pumice
warped warren
full quiver
Go off sis
wheat jay
scoobers more like hardstuck 1200
Isn't he 1800 hero cleave?
undone pumice
Isn't he 1800 hero cleave?
artji more like hunter main
tame raptor
whats the best gem for my neck for arms?
undone pumice
vers good
tame raptor
vers straight or vers crit
wheat jay
artji more like hunter main
U jelly?
full quiver
I don't think eto has even queued lol
wheat jay
You sound jelly
undone pumice
vers vers
undone pumice
You sound jelly
no im orc
undone pumice
wat
full quiver
Mud betrayed the cause
undone pumice
shut up anteater
wheat jay
Bro you give up on arms dream every season
full quiver
I am dk main now
wheat jay
The only season you didnt give up on it was s2 shadowlands, when arms was the single best spec in the game
Just admit you roll fotm 24/7
undone pumice
The only season you didnt give up on it was s2 shadowlands, when arms was the si...
idk cat
wheat jay
Yep
full quiver
If arms was still decent s3 I'd probably be playing it right now
warped warren
cope
full quiver
But not everyone has a 3k enh they can queue with
wheat jay
cope
smoky anchor
Oof, count of players above 2.4k
sharp meteor
Oof, count of players above 2.4k
fury unironically low or low-mid tier now i think
arms is probably super good after next round of tuning changes
thick reef
fury unironically low or low-mid tier now i think
is this the part where we all queue prot now?
eager mortar
did you guys ever gotten Bfa maps in Solo Shuffle ?
arctic rain
@smoky anchor Where did you find those stats? I'm not familiar with the website.
sharp meteor
is this the part where we all queue prot now?
arms seems good soon
prot probs balls unless every game is vs physical
or u have something that eats wizards like dk
like dh/dk + prot + rsham or something if they all solid might be coo
brazen rock
target dummy dont count but still lmfao
torpid roost
it's on a dummy, yes
brazen rock
Arms fotm?
mite be fotm 10.0.5 with all the free talent points we're getting and if dh/sp/assa/dk get some well needed nerfs.
torpid roost
DO YOU EVEN DWARF
brazen rock
buddy i hit 14k sheet str with badge and racial
tribal wedge
with 10.0.5 tree is it interesting to grab endurance training?
torpid roost
where's the 10.0.5 tree posted
brazen rock
wowhead ptr.
lucid walrus
doesn’t seem super worth
doubt the 10% reduction on fear DR cc stacks with trinket bonus. even if it does you’re probably never swapping off berserker rage
tribal wedge
it's not that good, but we don't lose much so idk
uneven turret
Anyone know what happens when u have double sophic writ/sophic deoviton/frozen writ etc. Does it double proc? Extend duration or whats the behavior.
trail basin
does any1 know if its normal to not change rating/mmr at all in solo queue? my last 5 games were 3-3 and every game it said rating unchanged and mmr stayed the same
trail basin
before that, we had a guy disconnect in the 6th game. could that effect it? we all got kicked out before scoring
sharp meteor
if i am 1800 cr and 1800 mmr and win 10 then lose 10 back and forth then i shouldn't move much
mmr tries to get u to where u win half of ur games
trail basin
feels like i should lose rating then cuz my CR is higher than the team MMR i get matched at. weird. gonna play more and find out i guess
raw summit
sounds the likeliest
undone pumice
I DONT TIHNK MY RALLY IS 40% BUT OK
raw summit
what else could it be
undone pumice
leukemia
jade iron
is there a way to get a free trinket
or do i have to suffer till io have enough honor to buy it
undone pumice
use bfa trinket
jade iron
yikes
pliant falcon
is there a way to get a free trinket
You can run Comp Stomp atm, it’s super easy gaining honor that way
slim remnant
is there a way for me to see my stats with pvp gear outside of battleground/arena? so the equiped gear shows as the pvp ilvl
pliant falcon
is there a way for me to see my stats with pvp gear outside of battleground/aren...
Hitting the PVP target dummy should do it
latent hazel
