pvp

[torpid roost]

I got 2300 years ago still drive by kicking and tab kidneying

Feel like everybody playing now above 1400 does shit only r1s did in s3-6

[smoky anchor]

lmao

ain't that true

[zenith marlin]

i got 2.5k with convoke abuse kekw

[smoky anchor]

all the r1s i know from back then though just win traded for it 🤡

[autumn saffron]

Solo que bugged?

[zenith marlin]

ye

average blizz quality

cant fkn get more servers

[eager mortar]

it will pop any minute now

[undone pumice]

5v5 moment

[zenith marlin]

world pvp is fkn stupid lmao

just bunch of furries in 5s

thinking they are the shit

[autumn whale]

Give blizz a break, they are just a small company. They will learn soon

[zenith marlin]

ikr maybe they should do a kickstarter

[autumn saffron]

Que pop after 50 min and I get one solid round in before someone leaves

[zenith marlin]

both my queues popped now

BOTH

xd

[eager mortar]

same

[autumn saffron]

Or does the games just randomly end like last week?

[smoky anchor]

world pvp is only fun when it's not organized

like ganking some idiot playing in warmode

soon as it's organized it's just a massive stalemate with whoever has more ranged ppl multidotting

[torpid roost]

Used to be guilded with some r1s who talked mad shit to everyone else, like congrats 5v5 caster cleave with 3x firelands staff getting r1

Randomly global someone under normal play

[thick reef]

I don't think wpvp fans even know what they want. They say it died with flying mounts. In reality it began a death spiral the moment we got battlegrounds.

But every massive scale bg has been disliked, with the wpvp like brawl epic bgs being the least popular.

Like what do people actually want out of it.

[brazen rock]

a mode where they can farm 80 killing blows and 0 deaths with little/no effort

just let mdps play vs bots and have bot healers follow them around and let casters do the same

[zenith marlin]

idiot ret lost 4 rounds and left

kekw

0 cr change

dang 0 rewards at all

didnt they change this to register the rounds that already happened

[torpid roost]

Massive scale pvp events get laggier than shit

And I have a 13900k and a 3090

[zenith marlin]

ofc they didnt cuz blizz devs cant do anything

[torpid roost]

So if my system is shitting the bed during it, lesser ones are dying

[zenith marlin]

nah fam u just hit 0 graphics

and everything runs fine

dont need to see shit

just numbers

brrr

[thick reef]

I feel people are more strongly married to the idea of wpvp than the actual reality of it. The majority of stories people have regarding it is small scale fights.

The second it gets big it becomes a joke

[brazen rock]

wpvp rn is 99% camping summoning stones and following war crates around for 200 honor/60conq

the only good wpvp is the weekly spark quest where you and your 3s team go sit at Rhuzast for an hour

[urban skiff]

There was a fight at the ducks WQ and it was so fucking glorious.

Like Ashran levels of epic

[zenith marlin]

with a group of 5

2 healers

[thick reef]

That's my point yes. Max group size 5? Small scale. It stays fun

[smoky anchor]

till the respawn timer kicks in

[thick reef]

True but still superior than a raid being involved

Wpvp seems to work best not as faction vs faction but as a full on ffa.

Wonder if blizz would consider trying that. Give a few ffa war mode weeks a try

[zenith marlin]

kekw hit a 15k execute to this rogue tru cheat death

cant cheat these crits

[urban skiff]

Make it one of the weekly events. Take out the pet event

[smoky anchor]

so arms burst is every 1.5 minutes with a mini burst halfway through ?

[zenith marlin]

y

make stars align

[urban skiff]

Same as fury

[zenith marlin]

and hit a 200k MS

[teal adder]

how?

mine hit for 80k

[zenith marlin]

2x overpower 2x execute stack > Warbreaker > Stun > Spear > Avatar + Recklessness + Trinket + lucky crit = 200k+ MS

[teal adder]

i gotta try that build

[thick reef]

May have to suggest it in Twitter for the extremely renote chance someone sees it

[urban skiff]

I'm allergic to twitter

I'm hoping someone dumber than me happens to be a blizz dev trolling this discord

[undone pumice]

more like 2/3 mini bursts inbetween with anger management

[smoky anchor]

2x overpower 2x execute stack > Warbreaker > Stun > Spear > Avatar + Recklessness + Trinket > gets disarmed into a full kidney only to come out to a rogue evasion and feint

[thick reef]

Not twitter, on Reddit, derp

[urban skiff]

I'm ok with reddit but redditors are too weird for me

[undone pumice]

im not weird

just a bit slow

[urban skiff]

me too bro

[atomic ingot]

Who is this mud guy and why does he think he’s some sort of expert?

[undone pumice]

idk some random he sucks

1600 peaker

[smoky anchor]

do you end up holding warbreaker for a long time while you wait for avatar and spear to come back up?

[urban skiff]

I dream of touching the 1600

must be nice to be that good

[undone pumice]

usually it ends up having a like 25 second cd so i can use it once or twice between goes so i usually hold it for likr 10-15 secs

[thick reef]

The amount of functional invulns is frustrating. Disperse for instance e is total bullshit. Doing two ice blocks both healing you. Evasion, that thing dh do.

On their own it's not bad. But everyone who has this shit also has a dozen other tools or massive support options

[torpid roost]

It's cpu bound, my graphics card is asleep playing wow

[smoky anchor]

facts, i upgraded to a 3080 and gained all of 10 fps

from a 980ti

[urban skiff]

I'm doing ok in large scale with a 970.

[smoky anchor]

okay maybe a bit more than that

[thick reef]

A paladin can bubble themself and a team mate and heal half their health in one go.

But warrior has to cast a shield break on a 3 minute timer and it only works against two kinds

[undone pumice]

i upgraded from a 2080 to a 4080 and gained all of +10£ on electricity bill

[smoky anchor]

i think our kill targets end up being whoever doesn't have an insane defensive cd to survive the burst

honestly not a bad place to be.

[atomic dagger]

Hi, I'm new to war in pvp, some rabbits?

[urban skiff]

the dream

[full quiver]

Parry

[smoky anchor]

i think hold spear, use warbreaker until you have a target with no defensive

then anger management the cd down as much as humanly possible and get them on round 2 of cds with spear this time

[thick reef]

I'd agree if so many of these cds didn't have shorter CD timers too

[smoky anchor]

that only one that is actually short is the dh one if i'm not mistaken

everything else is around 2 mins

[thick reef]

What are the cooldowns on the maby disarms

[smoky anchor]

45 s

[thick reef]

Functionally the same as an invuln vs a warrior

[urban skiff]

As fury in solo I sometimes just do Odyn's Fury and watch them panic

then pop big cds 45 secs later

[smoky anchor]

lol

[thick reef]

Odyns fury is the fury colossus smash/warbeeaker

[urban skiff]

Literally yeah

I guess it triggers them to see avatar buff or something

[smoky anchor]

ya avatar + reck > rampage > shout bleed thing > rampage > odyns fury > blood thirst spam is pretty realible burst

[urban skiff]

Don't forget

you get enrage up first and charge them too

for warbringer dmg

[smoky anchor]

oh ya with the first bloodthirst

[thick reef]

It's funny to me when the "arms is so much more involved" crew count colossus smash as arms rotation but not odyns fury for furys

[urban skiff]

tbh my OF is just macroed in

[smoky anchor]

odyns fury is actually insane especially when you count the fact that avatar procs it and that fury itself procs avatar

[urban skiff]

and I'm running spear because it's hillarious against all the DHs

[smoky anchor]

plus the baseline damage

[thick reef]

I put sharpen blade on to col smash, I can't think of any time I wouldn't use them together

[undone pumice]

asynchronous cds with ur mate

so u just slap a sharpen

[urban skiff]

I have a mod macro for MS and sharpen

Normal click is MS. Shift+click is sharpen -> ms

ain't no reacting to that

[thick reef]

Col smash IS a CD for us though

[undone pumice]

i never used mod macros ngl

i just have hella binds

[thick reef]

It's the start of our burst every time

Click?

[undone pumice]

he obv doesnt mean click with mouse

[smoky anchor]

how much do you end up lowering the cd of collosus smash through anger management? can't be that much. maybe like, 10 seconds off?

[undone pumice]

more like 20

[smoky anchor]

dam that's a lot

that's like half the cd

[undone pumice]

we have a lot of rage to dump

imo

[thick reef]

We run anger management?

[undone pumice]

as arms i do

i enjoy it a lot

[smoky anchor]

damn that's a lot

so they are smashed for 10 seconds, and 15 seconds later they get smashed again

[late nacelle]

If you play blademaster's torment

[undone pumice]

blademasters torment my beloved

[smoky anchor]

i feel like you can get a lot of defensives out just with warbreaker + a built up MS crit without having to blow avatar and spear

[late nacelle]

is it possible to do a MS, then pop avatar and have that initial MS still go off and benefit off of the avatar?

[undone pumice]

this is what i run with unhinged

[smoky anchor]

man i'm liking this a lot

and doesn't bladestorm have two charges or something

[undone pumice]

only rlly change from unhinged and blademasters to warlords and exeprec

[smoky anchor]

sometimes i feel like an arms warrior uses it back to back but i might be high

[undone pumice]

that blademasters torment

[smoky anchor]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh right

got it

[undone pumice]

where when u cast avatar/bladestorm it casts the other at reduced effectiveness

[late nacelle]

can you do a MS before u pop ava and still have that MS benefit off ava if u cast it like instantly after casting MS?

[undone pumice]

i dont think so

[late nacelle]

sort of how u do reck during rampage

and get it off during the rampage

[undone pumice]

well ramp is 4 attacks

ms is 1

and if you for example tab target shortly after casting ramp it only hits once and most of the dmg is void

or the target dies

[late nacelle]

i wanted to do something like hamstring -> op -> op -> cs -> ms -> ava -> ms -> bladestorm -> ms

[urban skiff]

does the procced bladestorm do unhinged?

[undone pumice]

yes

[urban skiff]

does the unhinged MSs eat damage buffs like overpower?

[late nacelle]

oh and spear too i guess

[undone pumice]

yes

even sharpen

[late nacelle]

but also

SWEEPING STRIKES

[urban skiff]

aren't we at risk of resetting stacked buffs then or is it just free compound damage?

[undone pumice]

?

unhinged ms just is a normal ms

its 1 to 1 as if u pressed ms

[urban skiff]

aligning stars to do a big crit -> pop avatar bladestorm unhinged eats up procs to MS a pet

[late nacelle]

random target

[undone pumice]

XD

well wtih unhinged torment you usually just go that for the insane aoe pressure

[late nacelle]

feels like

sweeping strikes

unhinged

should melt people

[undone pumice]

it does

[late nacelle]

thats like... 3.5 mortal strikes

weave in MS before and between

[urban skiff]

you're going to MS the shit out of those warlock / dk pets

[late nacelle]

for a total of 12.2 mortal strikes

[urban skiff]

Is SS off the GCD yet?

[undone pumice]

no but its a mini gcd

[late nacelle]

thats actually

so weird

what else has mini gcds in the game

[sly furnace]

eu arena que is fked

[urban skiff]

all arena or just solo?

[late nacelle]

been fkd entire day

[maiden slate]

is there a macro who switch you from berserk to defensiv stance + switching ur gear ? (like to use shield block)

[late nacelle]

all arena by the looks of it

didnt try 3v3 today tho

[sly furnace]

cant sign for 2s atm

[urban skiff]

only broke after 16-17ish for me

[smoky anchor]

eh been having reasonable success as fury, spamming bloodthirst executes for 30-40k every second is really nice

but having an on demand basically always up instant heal debuff is really nice

building it up with rampage is a pain in the ass

[urban skiff]

Yes. You make an equipment set where all slots but weapon and shield are ignored and put /equipset nameofset

Make one for weapon+shield and another for dps weapon

I'd probably do a conditional for equipset like this:

#showtooltip
/use [stance:2] !Defensive Stance
/equipset [stance:1] SHIELDSET
/use [nostance:2] !Berserker Stance
/equipset [stance:2] DAMAGESET

[maiden slate]

nice really appreciate for your help mate

[urban skiff]

might need two separate macros instead, one for each. Not sure how the macro responds to mashing, and I'd probably want to put shieldblock right in there as well

[green wyvern]

finally got taeshalach

[maiden slate]

i have two separate macro atm

but wanted to build the in and out in one

[urban skiff]

I think there's a conditional to check if you have a set equipped or not but I can't find what it's called.

[tribal wedge]

5 month farm, still nothing

[urban skiff]

Primal Gladiator's Decapitator > Taeshalach

[raw summit]

pizza slice is good yea

[wheat jay]

Its alright to be wrong i guess

[raw summit]

only if you use 2

[green wyvern]

we need more big 2 handed swords in the game

hopefully the new trading post has some

[late nacelle]

people who decline queuepop in solo shuffle should get permabanned

[sly furnace]

Queue pop after 2min 5/6 :/

[zenith marlin]

wait wtf I had 150 CP

supposed to have 750 more CP this week

for 900 cp

did 3 shuffles etc some shit happened and now I can onlyget 700 cp

[arctic aurora]

the cap went up 650

[zenith marlin]

it wasnt 750?

[brazen rock]

its 550 per week.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/weekly-valor-and-conquest-cap-for-dragonflight-season-1-330466

valor is 750.

[late nacelle]

wtf is a valor

[near delta]

M+ upgrade bucks

[wheat jay]

You know, real currency, unlike conquest

[zenith marlin]

wtf

why is CP 550

big cringe

2 weeks for 1 item kekw

[brazen rock]

better hope you got weapon week 1 🙂

[late nacelle]

anyone know if evoker class weapon on use effect works in arena?

even just heroic version says it does 400k dmg

[ripe turtle]

whats the neck to go for conq? vers/mas or vers/crit?

[zenith marlin]

stupid fkn frost mage

Ended SS with 1 win

all he did was waste my time with slows and loose his own CR

[coral axle]

Yes but it's nerfed hard

It's pretty bad afaik

[late nacelle]

at least he wasnt salty and left the game

[civic storm]

Hey guys I keep seeing videos and they’re talking about 2 or 4 set pieces.. do these apply in arena ? And if so how the hell do you get them ?

[tribal wedge]

it is, you can get it by vault, or by catalyst who's gonna be available in 3/4 week

[civic storm]

Weekly vault niiiiiiice th

Ty*

[zenith marlin]

this ret who left twice in a row

literally has the title Salty

kekw

[lean mason]

Are like hunters in lower level battle grounds that busted?

[dire hare]

Tier does not work in pvp to my understanding

[lean mason]

Or an I’m not understanding how kill shot works

[coral axle]

Sub-70 bgs are insanely imbalanced yes

Although I think whatever is OP changes based on bracket

[zenith marlin]

I mean it snot even busted based off gear

[lucid walrus]

it does

[zenith marlin]

literally busted based off spec

[late nacelle]

cool to see people still abusing

leaving solo shuff games

[zenith marlin]

dude they leave

they hop back in queue in 15 mins

and they match with me again

[late nacelle]

queue for 1h 10 minutes just to get a mongoloid leave when they hit 0-5

what a truly broken mess this queue is

[half aurora]

A 15 min deserter is more impactful if the queue is shorter. So it works for random battlegrounds and what not, but it’s less meaningful when the queues are so long.

[late nacelle]

they should get their rating reset to 0

every time they leave

or negative 1000 rating

[half aurora]

As fury, do you generally space out avatar and recklessness so that CC and disarm are less useful or stack them?

[late nacelle]

all their gear should get auto vendored with no chance of returning the items

[coral axle]

I always stack reck/avatar/spear to maximize kill chance but I'm a bit of a scrub

[half aurora]

I’ve had success with both, but due to variance in game partners I’m not convinced either is better. And im only ~1800

[zenith marlin]

right I win 4 wounds get 10 cr

loose 1 round loose 50 cr

fuck this system

Also how tf do I cope with Blade Edge Arena its such dogshit

[unique scroll]

@elfin surge Do you have a Conquest gearing list?

[full quiver]

No he has full strife gear from his bug abusing

[warped pasture]

does this passive break nearby sheeps/hunter traps

[undone pumice]

not enuff dmg i think

[quick carbon]

Just don’t lose

[lucid walrus]

damage threshold on both of those is like 0

[sage raptor]

Literally all wrong

[zenith marlin]

won 5 rounds

got 60

nice

it go up

[pearl prism]

in solo shuffle for cleaving, is it pop cd's then bladestorm > sweeping? Or sweeping first and then bladestorm after the end of it?

whats the higher prio? bladestorm or sweeping?

[mild thunder]

depends if you have unhinged or not

if unhinged - ss > bs
if no unhinged - bs > ss

[mild thunder]

all that gear was returned

[pearl prism]

If I have unhinged, Will ss make those two MS’s cleave during bladestorm?

[mild thunder]

yes

[pearl prism]

Ahh I see

[rare ibex]

Did they really go back and take all that bugged gear?

[pearl prism]

So cds > ss > bs > normal rotation

[mild thunder]

your go as unhinged is stun > spear > colsmash > ms > avatar(with bs proc) > bs

or you can hold the second bs for your next colsmash

[quick carbon]

ya u can go unhinged but ep build is chad...

[mild thunder]

i only use unhinged into r/m or some double melee

and it feels nice into arms mirrors

[quick carbon]

ep is more fun imo

[pearl prism]

Defs spear before colossus?

[quick carbon]

oh unhinged owns 2s warrior mirrors

i mean if ur unhinged

then yes

[full quiver]

Yes I was joking

Lol

[quick carbon]

if ur unhingedd then yes

u spear b4 warbreaker

[mild thunder]

nws, but a lot of people do think that they legit kept the gear

[mild thunder]

yes\

and comped them the gold

[mild thunder]

blunted instruments colsmash actually hits like a truck

pretty sure i crit someone for like 20% of their hp, didnt even get to do my go

[quick carbon]

i crit a rogue with a 70k colossus smash with it

so pog

[mild thunder]

do you know if the 30% applies to it?

that stuff is always weird

[quick carbon]

wym

[full quiver]

Gear and gold got returned

[mild thunder]

do you get the 30% extra damage applied to the initial hit

[quick carbon]

o u mean the ddebuff?

[full quiver]

Lucky ducks

[mild thunder]

ye

[quick carbon]

i mean id imagine not

because the spell is what applies the debuff

for ur other spells to do more dam

[mild thunder]

i think you're right

i remember my colsmash being parried on painsmith

and i didnt get the debuff

[quick carbon]

war damage

is almost criminal

[mild thunder]

almost every assa rogue ive played, they have us on the ropes until i oneshot them with my second go

[quick carbon]

ya its like u spend all game dying

then they have no trinket

you have stormbolt

every cd

and then you hit them with the fist of the north star

[mild thunder]

i thought i was gonna hate glass cannon arms

but its super fun atm

no one expects the damage

[quick carbon]

i think ppl know its coming now

[mild thunder]

its only gonna get better in 10.0.5

i wouldnt be surprised if we get nerfed tbh

blizz always seems faster to nerf us than other specs

[quick carbon]

i think high end damage should be nerfed

in favor for defensive bufs

buffs*

[mild thunder]

id be more than happy with that tweaking

but flat damage nerfs with no def buffs will suck ass

[quick carbon]

i mean tbf i bet it fucking sucks to get hit for 160k

i get why ppl would want it nerfed

[mild thunder]

it fucking sucks to be hit with 10000 20k garrote ticks

[quick carbon]

truuuu

[mild thunder]

are assa rogues all running kingsbane now? seen a lot more of it than week 1/2

[smoky anchor]

Is there a good write up for arms pvp I can read

Or a video

I'm a sub room temp iq button masher playing fury atm, thinking arms is worth a good shot especially with buffs on the horizon

Plus 2pc looks bonkers

[mild thunder]

guide in pins

arms guide good

[smoky anchor]

There are no pins

[wet vault]

Bahjeera just released a talent video for arms as well.

[smoky anchor]

Oh nvm

[mild thunder]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arms-warrior-pvp-rotation-and-playstyle

bajheera runs the beta bladestorm build

embrace exploiter

be a chad

[wet vault]

Hey I'm all for Bladestorming.

But I'll look at this exploiter build.

[long ridge]

are you saying bajheera is a beta or his build is good?

[mild thunder]

im saying his build is beta

[smoky anchor]

Virgin

[mild thunder]

its good, but its definitely more boring

[long ridge]

so the icy veins one is better?

[mild thunder]

icy veins covers all 3 primary builds

[smoky anchor]

Virgin blade storm vs Chad exploiter

[mild thunder]

just... avoid the bleed build

[quick carbon]

they need to actually gut

assassination rogue

[wet vault]

The bleed build was dreadful for me.

[mild thunder]

yea kargish should just remove it ngl

its bait

[smoky anchor]

Which will have more success at training all these fucking dh I run into when there isn't a better kt like warlock running around

[wet vault]

Tbh, way too many hotkeys for me. I'd rather just become a beyblade.

Is the exploiter build the Juggernaut one in pins?

[mild thunder]

arms is like

2 buttons

2 fun buttons

[wet vault]

Yeah but bleed build has me using more than 2 buttons.

That's no fun.

[mild thunder]

oh right, yea bleed build is just cringe

10.0.5 we'll use it anyway tho

[long ridge]

ur saying primary build is best, right?

[wet vault]

I don't see this exploiter build but the one you just linked is the one Bahj is using and that's the unhinged one.

[late nacelle]

unhinged feels better in solo shuff at least

with double bladestorm

just immune all their CCs

and they wont know wtf to do

[long ridge]

arms and fury have two different mmr/cr right

so I can practice

[late nacelle]

yes

[mild thunder]

kargish doesnt even have an exploiter build in his guide 😮

traitor

[wet vault]

SMH

[mild thunder]

just run wahtever is there anyway

[wet vault]

The unhinged one.:D

[copper hare]

love me some comp stomp

2 hours alt full geared

[long ridge]

never done comp stomp what is that

[copper hare]

comp stomp brawl is basically just arathi basin vs pve bots

400 honor per 5 min

[wet vault]

Well shit.

I know what I'm doing now.

This is a noob question, but how do I actually get the Walking mountains tier set for pvp?

Just upgrade a conquest piece to 8-9?

[mild thunder]

shame it came one week late

is it intentional that compstomp/honor week never align anymroe?

[undone pumice]

yes

[mild thunder]

rip

[pearl prism]

Day off boys

Time to play some arms like a true proper chad

Can I get some hype in the chat

[copper hare]

hm no clue

[pearl prism]

Galachad is getting ready for our next toxic debate about class changes

[copper hare]

usually dungeon event was also always second id, now it's third

[smoky anchor]

wait so DON'T run the exploiter build and run this unhinged build?

wtf is exploiter anyway

oh

executioner's precision?

[mild thunder]

looks like it was, lame :/

[mild thunder]

yea just use unhinged

[quick carbon]

i mean

exploiter build still rlly goodd

unhingedd just better into most things

[mild thunder]

yea its apparently not in the kargish guide

people that farm low levels as a lvl 70 need to be mocked in the streets

[hoary stone]

My mortal strikes only hit up to 90k

On test dummy

Feelsbad

[undone pumice]

torment unhinged is good vs all but doublecaster imo

[smoky anchor]

can count on one hand how many times i ran into having two casters in solo shuffle

[pearl prism]

Thoughts on taking rend in solo shuffle?

[mild thunder]

almost always take rend

[undone pumice]

cannot count on bothhands and feet how manyfking ferals i vsed today

[mild thunder]

it does decent damage, gains a lot of value in aoe

and most of all

there arent many better options

[undone pumice]

goddam verals

[pearl prism]

what you mean gains value in aoe?

you mean multi rending people?

[undone pumice]

rending multiple people

[smoky anchor]

hmm icyveins says warlord's torment but i heard a lot of hype about blademaster's torment

[mild thunder]

yes

[pearl prism]

can you multi rend ppl with SS?

[undone pumice]

blademasters only with unhinged

yes

[pearl prism]

true

[undone pumice]

if u have q about icyveins guide just ask karg

[pearl prism]

So whats thje overall goal of the unhinged build?

To get kills during bladestorm/avatar windows?>

[undone pumice]

bigcleavage

[smoky anchor]

comp stomp i guess this is my weekend to lvl alts through pvp 🤔

[toxic mesa]

Can’t you only do brawls at 70?

[smoky anchor]

oh damn

you're right

wow you guys weren't kidding, two back to back execute crits

[pearl prism]

lariot neck thiing BIS for pvp?

[smoky anchor]

lmao spear of bastion into avatar bladestorm then normal bladestorm after that is hilarious

ppl just keep trying to leave the spear circle even tho they know they can't

[smoky anchor]

if you can craft a high ilvl maybe, it's pretty strong as a proc

[pearl prism]

Will it always proc on our opening burst?

[bright stream]

another day in solo queue - people ignoring psyfiend, random swaps to dps then ride them for the entire game, healers from 500 rating below the rest of the lobby

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, just went 5-1 instead of 6-0 because teammate decided to swap off defensives (fine/good) but then also never swapped back.

[bright stream]

dh player?

sounds like a dh

[sharp meteor]

It was either the feral or dh.

[brazen rock]

what you mean feral doesn't focus anything

[sharp meteor]

Actually, no, they both did it but I won when the DH did.

[brazen rock]

they just spam primal wrath every 5CP and do 65k dps whole game

[sharp meteor]

This one didn't. Thankfully nobody left so I'm super happy.

[bright stream]

@sharp meteor
https://wago.io/zBMrdScw_
here's a WA I made that can help

basically prints out a list of dps party members and their target if they're on another target to you

so you can see them swap to stupid shit, or if in RBGS you get a printed list of who is ignoring target calls

[sharp meteor]

I knew that they swapped it was mostly just a matter of like

do I follow them to target with full cds left

or try to finish mine solo

[bright stream]

most of the time you have to swap

[brazen rock]

as arms in ss ive had the most luck just sitting on the target that uses CDs

sharpen + dampen is too strong

[teal adder]

who is the best targets vs arms and resto druid

[left galleon]

hey guys what is better at solo shuffle?

fury or arms

[lean burrow]

swap to rdruid on stuns+spear

then back

idk

if druid is caught out of bear with spear it's either tranquillity or death

unless you get cucked by arms

[bright stream]

low rank, fury, higher rank probably arms

[torpid roost]

Can you fear tranquility

I know you can fear communion

[lean burrow]

no

full immunity

[brazen rock]

you can blade flurry cleave into it

for some unknown reason.

[lean burrow]

they still didn't fix bugs like this?

like warbringer ignoring immunities

[left galleon]

thx

[pearl prism]

okay

defs like the unhinged build better

in yolo/shuffle

[lean mason]

Whats a twink?

Because I’m seeing that throw around a lot in bgs

[pearl prism]

Its what you call an ex wife who's banging ur brother

[lean mason]

LMAO

I thoughts that’s cuckhold

[pearl prism]

There's a few variations

[lean mason]

Got ya damn people are talking mad shit in bg 24/7 that’s craaaazy

You think they plotting something or whatever

[sharp meteor]

geared out lower level char that intends to remain at a lower level

in the context of wow pvp

[spice hornet]

Is that still a thing lmao

[sharp meteor]

kind of not rly

missin cata 70s

[spice hornet]

Yeah I loved running SWP on my 70 frost mage with engineering

Just 2 shot people

[lean mason]

That’s explains a lot

[sharp meteor]

mm tazik shocker

[craggy socket]

dh dk warr

every single game

atleast i have respect for warriors

[raw summit]

fuck demoloc

[craggy socket]

dh/dk is legit the most braindead comp

[raw summit]

ive been loving getting 100-0d by thunderfist critting on my mage

[craggy socket]

mage feels ..... dog shit

[sharp meteor]

At least Arcane is in a decent spot.

[craggy socket]

crazy how long mages have been bad outside of fire rmp

yeah

its decent

[sharp meteor]

Frost has been good with Warlock.

Not sure about now.

[craggy socket]

but every game is dh/dk/fury

yeah we had that one season where frost/destro was busted

[sharp meteor]

It was good most of sl.

[craggy socket]

it was meh

[sharp meteor]

Weirdly unpopular.

[craggy socket]

yah

deep freeze plz 😦

[sharp meteor]

Every game is retwarr and no destro/frosts.

[craggy socket]

Ill fight ret warr over dh/dk any day

dh/dk is new level of retardation

ive never been glad. 2.1 highest im bad but i bet i could get glad playing that comp

[mystic barn]

crazy how rmp has been an s++ tier comp since the beginning of the game

[sharp meteor]

Psure both unholy, havoc and rdruid/prevoker gonna get obliterated in a few weeks

[mystic barn]

player issue

[craggy socket]

RMP hasnt always been s++ tier

[sharp meteor]

curous to see how

stuff shifts around

[mystic barn]

cope

[sharp meteor]

ehhh

i mean low mmr rmp a rough go

[craggy socket]

xaryu and tons of others have made videos about it multiple seasons it wasnt the best comp lol

[sharp meteor]

but mid-high or high is

[sharp meteor]

pls

[mystic barn]

please

[raw summit]

ive been playing frost fury disc

[craggy socket]

but SL RMP triggered alot of people

[raw summit]

giga fried but kinda funny

[pearl prism]

They should remove the ability for UHDK to use weapons, and instead they have to defeat their opponents orally using a series of riddles

[mystic barn]

post ur checkpvp

[sharp meteor]

i mean dying to mana 11 minutes in was

unfun

[craggy socket]

Im 2100 bro

[mystic barn]

nice bro

[craggy socket]

Max CR

😄

[sharp meteor]

could've been 2500+ in the last 3 seasons of sl

[craggy socket]

Warriors are S++ tier comp every single season too

[sharp meteor]

just finding a warlock

[craggy socket]

so dik

so idk

[sharp meteor]

and standing in a triangle

and pveing

[craggy socket]

Yeah

I like doing that

😂

[sharp meteor]

it is a chill time

[raw summit]

i just play the mage in arenas since its my pve guy and ngl its weird af

[craggy socket]

Yeah, i can't beat these melee gotta practice

[raw summit]

just fuckin implodes at times

[craggy socket]

yeah mage in pve is great

arcane feels awkward in keys at times but pumps

[raw summit]

i prefer arcane in keys over raid

i raid on fire since easier parses

[craggy socket]

Do you pull good dps?

[raw summit]

no but im having fun

ill swap arcane when we go mythic

[craggy socket]

all that matters

[lean burrow]

what's a good caster if I want a break from melee?

[raw summit]

guessing sp?

[craggy socket]

SP/Demo

Ele mabye

[raw summit]

not mage that shit ass

[spice hornet]

do dh players think they are good in shuffle when they try to spend all game sniping other people with the hunt

[craggy socket]

I love seeing a DH attempt the hunt multiple times

[raw summit]

each dh is a god in his own world

[lean burrow]

dh spamming and cancelling the hunt right in my face

^ (sitting in dstance)

[pearl prism]

whats the second trophy of strife weekly quest?

I diud the sparks one

Whats the second?

[spice hornet]

theres more than 1?

thought its 1 weekly for 8

[pearl prism]

Yeah might be

Other one is a one time only i guess?

[raw summit]

(he will die anyways lolmao)

[spice hornet]

the dh experience

[raw summit]

idk ill just do mage till 1800 or some shit and then let it rot

[lean burrow]

[craggy socket]

I can't wait for the DH DK nerfs coming

and shadow

[pearl prism]

Anyone been testing PTR arms? Do we know if its going to be a buff or just mroe same/same?

[glass fox]

Whats a good place to find some decent fury macros?

[spice hornet]

every single dh in my shuffles man

[fair tide]

Seasons pretty much ruined lol

All these players are just going to sit after the nerfs

[sharp meteor]

nerfs won't be fatal

people are like 2.8k rated week 2 we'll see people at like 3500 before long

[fair tide]

But nerf warrior MS, cause you know?

That shits tearing apart the ladders

[spice hornet]

anyone asking for any warr nerfs at this point is a good way to tell if theyre retarded

[fair tide]

How long is this shit going to be busted?

[spice hornet]

best indicator of someone who hasn't q'd past 2100 in any bracket

[fair tide]

A lot of quiet DHs on the forums

[bright stream]

hard to respond when you can't read or write

[full quiver]

Warrior is fuxkin broken

Giga s tier

[bright stream]

at 1400 rating? yeah

at real rating, feels kinda mid imo

if spriest and rogue get brought down a bit it'll feel strongish

[full quiver]

I'm just messing with qfiend

I do think if arms got IP it'd be disgusting

[bright stream]

I can't see it happening, it's very unusual for bliz to add items to a kit mid patch

but I do think both specs could use it

it'd round out arms, and give fury an identity

which is currently sorely lacking

[hoary stone]

god damn

im so bad at arms

i dunno why

[bright stream]

post profile/vid to the review channel

[full quiver]

I think they should tone down arms damage slightly but give them back IP or 20 /10 d stance

[tiny dagger]

is there a df updated version to the mes wa pack?

[sharp meteor]

10/10 or 15/15 dstance might b cool

20% reduced dam for a 10% wall is like aaaahahahah

[hoary stone]

is there no head enchants?

[civic storm]

Hey guys I’ve been loving fury for a while now but how is arms doing ? Is it viable to swap just for a breath of fresh air or should I stay on fury ?

[bright stream]

its good/similar/might even be better

[civic storm]

Oh sweet , might as well give it a shot later

Thanks

[fair tide]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/nerf-warrior/1466661

A dk complaining that a warrior killed his SP partner

[ember totem]

Hahahaha, keep kicking their asses!

[mild thunder]

these people cant be real

its a psy-op

[uneven turret]

does double sophic devotion stack?

[autumn saffron]

A lot of demo locks seem to complain about warriors while they are busy running around having 25 pets do 95% of their dmg.

[green wyvern]

Blizzard doesn't listen to complaints at all when it comes to class tuning

[smoky anchor]

lmao 110k ms

[green wyvern]

Just ignore the morons

[mild thunder]

i dont think they should listen to these complaints

[green wyvern]

They don't listen to r1 players either cus they are just as clueless

[mild thunder]

they listen to themselves and nerf whatever they lost to that week

[green wyvern]

there's nothing we as a community can do to direct blizzard's tuning

[rustic thistle]

What's the scaling of rating vs pve ilvl for the conquest weapons?
I don't have one so can't see it.
can't find on google

[green wyvern]

if warrior gets nerfed it's because blizzard deemed it too strong in some aspects, not because of some random ape on forums

[sharp meteor]

Mhm. Whatever internal metrics show stuff to be op or up.

Like, I don't see Havoc, Unholy, Pres and Rdruid NOT getting moderate to hefty nerfs in a few weeks.

[mild thunder]

and assa..?

and spri

surely

[green wyvern]

Should expect buffs to underperforming specs like all hunter specs, fire and frost mage

balance druid

etc.

[mild thunder]

fuck mage

arms wont be getting anymore buffs tho

its sorta been repopularised, and thats mostly what blizz seems to care about more than actual balance

[lean mason]

Is this true? https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/party-sync-and-low-level-bgs/1437950

If it is then dang.

[green wyvern]

Arms will be very scary in 10.0.5

especially if they nerf dh

[mild thunder]

yes and its some of the cringiest stuff in the world

was a problem in SL too

in the 50-60 bracket, there would always be 2-3 fully geared players with their cov abilities and whatnot

[lean mason]

That’s explains a lot x2

[smoky anchor]

you can really get a ton of people to panic off a simple double overpower sharpened ms

did that to two separate dh so far to get them to pop blur then it's gg once that's over

and yes 2 dh = ton of people

playing arms but honestly fury is way funner lmao

[green agate]

Second wind have any worth in solo shuffle over 5% leech talent if I can kite away for a bit during downtime? As arms*

[smoky anchor]

holy shit lmao

managed to spear this mage before he used shimmer

shimmer shimmer got pulled back twice

precasted a shattering throw and broke his block

made him rage quit

[lean burrow]

good thing the mage didn't know about spear bug

[smoky anchor]

i feel bad for tehse mages man they got it bad

yea sometimes i see ppl out of it

how does it happen

[lean burrow]

run out of spear, when you get pulled back - instantly cast any movement

so mage could get out in one shimmer

[smoky anchor]

feelsbad

need to get sophic devotion

but frozen devotion w as soo good on fury

just doesn't really ever proc on arms

[lean burrow]

why spend 50k+ on enchant

[autumn whale]

If u got the gold to spend why not.

[urban skiff]

Pretty tilting. Completed the quest, should've gotten a title but it's not there.

[lean burrow]

lol I completed that in shadowlands

now I don't have title

[urban skiff]

depressing if we don't ge tthe title 😒

[shell nimbus]

is it even worth upgrading pvp gear with honor since it gets to 424 ilvl in pvp anyways?

[royal rose]

Can blizzard fix this game already? Why the hell are plate the squishiest class in the game?! lmao

[gloomy beacon]

If you intend to pve and it’s pve upgrades then yes sounds like a cheap win

[lean burrow]

dks actually feel tankier now

idk, they don't fall over when I punch them

[royal rose]

DKs still fall to being trained by melee

It's just dumb that casters are tankier than plate

Warriors are just so bad rn lmao it's tilting. They've ruined fury's pressure and arms is a unplayable without a rdruid

[urban skiff]

what rating?

[uneven hemlock]

It is kinda funny that evokers have about as much armor as a plate.

[royal rose]

I'm hardstuck 2k on my warr. I'm steady climbing on my dk though, almost 2200 and I just picked up DK this xpac lol

[stuck mulch]

fat obliterate does dat

[fickle forge]

Still killable though

Good thing warr has the most armor

[stuck mulch]

too bad it dosent help arms

[fickle forge]

[stuck mulch]

[fickle forge]

Surely not

[shell nimbus]

are there certain haste breakpoints for fury?

[royal rose]

I play UH haha, I dont like frost. Feels just as squishy as arms warrior for some reason, but like I said I'm new to dk so i'm probably just playing it wrong. I've put all my focus on learning UH

[sly furnace]

Just saw a DH with 750+ games played with 50% wr and he got 2.4k achiv 😄

[autumn saffron]

anyone know if arena que for eu is still bugged?

[wet vault]

I picked up UH DK this expo too, ton of fun, can't tell ya how many times I gripped someone trying to charge though lol.

[sly furnace]

2s was bugged last night dont know today

SS works

[wet vault]

I sat in SS queue for like 35 mins the other day before giving up.

Idk if that was bugged or just dead at this point lol.

[safe jewel]

Neither. Just too few healers in queue

Playing a healer you get literal instant queues

[onyx vale]

you also get queued with people that have half your rating making it either a waste of time if you win a lot

or destroying your mmr if you go even

a fun time for the whole family

[sly furnace]

Just killed my mmr 😄

[quaint bison]

Just had a game with DK/Frost Mage/Destro Lock. Needless to say, I didn't get to move at all any of the rounds

2-6, blessed by the MMR gods to only lose 1 point

That was painful

[pure hornet]

I am orc and tought about rerace taureen ,is the orc racial advantage that high?

[onyx vale]

if you play for the racial play something like dwarf or gnome

they gave half the orc racial to everyone

it's pretty good but it's not good enough to lock yourself into it if you don't like the skin

[pure hornet]

I love how taureen looks but i feel i miss out if not orc

😦

[onyx vale]

play dark iron and get 2000 free strength with their broken racial, you'll see what you are missing out

[pure hornet]

Lemme search

Wow.. huge

Another question what should i go for fast climb to gladiator title

Arms or fury

I feel i hit harder with arms but if crap team i win more with fury

[onyx vale]

no easy answer to that one, some people prefer fury, some arms, I think the highest rating warriors are arms right now

[pure hornet]

Thanks

[wet vault]

Fury has better survival, but Arms hits like a truck from what I understand.

[quaint bison]

Arms hits like a truck when you aren't instantly peeled on your burst and manage to survive until its back up again

[pure hornet]

Healing is nice on fury

Torn up miself i like both

[atomic ingot]

have you considered playing better?

[wet vault]

Well there is that caveat.

[lean burrow]

if arms got fury's bloodrage fury would be officially dead

[onyx vale]

so what you are saying is play arms gnome

[quaint bison]

Bring back second wind

[wispy drum]

bring back mop arms

[agile aspen]

do all demon hunters think they watched blood sport and became the best pvpers the world has ever seen overnight or what

[mystic barn]

2400 solo shuffle xp 1200 cr

[pearl prism]

Unhinged build helps against this

[late nacelle]

guys

is there a reason

for bitter immunity being so shit

should be a 1 min CD at worst

[feral heath]

MadeByBlizzard

[lone gulch]

What should my stats look like for arms warrior?

How much haste should i have for example

[tribal wedge]

thats mine

(in pvp combat)

(and in battlestance)

[late nacelle]

guys

remember to always int 2 games

to the would be 0-6 guys

or they will leave

and u will get nothing

[onyx vale]

🧠

[quaint bison]

10-15% haste feels good then crit. Can go full crit + mastery too for biggest numbers possible but it’s janky to play

[quaint bison]

The sad part is I can see this becoming a player generated meta if blizz’s “solution” doesn’t stop leavers

[late nacelle]

i hope they permaban every single leaver

queue for 1h

go 5-0

insta leave

the system is literally rigged

win too hard? they leave

lose? nobody leaves

[quaint bison]

Idk how they fix it tbh

[late nacelle]

permaban leavers

simple

[quaint bison]

In my experience it’s healers leaving more than DPS bc they just get an insta Q after debuff

[late nacelle]

not from just pvp

from wow in its entirety

[green agate]

yeah because a perma ban is such a smart idea

[late nacelle]

im not arguing that

[quaint bison]

If you perma enough healers there will be even less queues

[green agate]

accidentally dc? PERMABAN

[late nacelle]

but it would fix the problem

[green agate]

should rename yourself to 'not so wise gnome'

[late nacelle]

in time

you will realise

the one true path

intolerance, anger and cruelty

is the only thing that works

[quaint bison]

If you leave 3 games in a week, that weeks conquest cap is removed from your season total available

Hit people in gear, where it hurts

[late nacelle]

it doesnt tho

[torpid roost]

chaotic neutral energy

[late nacelle]

people are getting glad in the green AH gear

[iron grove]

is 1750 in soloQ the elo hell?

[late nacelle]

class == skill >> gear

[lucid walrus]

there isn’t one really

[quaint bison]

1.7-2.1 seems that way

[torpid roost]

Class >>>> Skill >> Gear

Go count DH's above 2400 then do the same for warriors of any spec, even post buff

[late nacelle]

yeah but there's probably more DHs than warriors too

[quaint bison]

It’s the 3-3, 0 CR, 4-2 + 10 or 2-4 -50 bracket

[iron grove]

DH did 6/6 rounds last game

even with a evoker dps D:

[wicked berry]

what would you guys say to go as in solo shuffle, arms or fury? I usually get the elite appearance each season but never anything higher.

only seen one warrior so far and he was arms

[undone pumice]

fury easier arms cooler

[mystic barn]

wrong

[undone pumice]

gtfo

[compact lion]

Fury make lots of thawmp and mush sound

arms doesnt

[wicked berry]

thawmp and mush is important

😄

[lean burrow]

pick fury if you hate casters

pick arms if you hate rogues

pick prot if you hate everyone

[fickle forge]

We need to return to the times Slaughterhouse wasn't a thing

[lean burrow]

dark times when fury weren't walking the earth

[tribal wedge]

days of glory

[fickle forge]

Light times*

[lean burrow]

surv was meme, demo was meme, arcane was meme

[fickle forge]

I'd rather have surv over BM

[lean burrow]

the only thing that never changes is brewmaster being meme

[proven maple]

Slaughterhouse sorta isn’t now. Not sure about anyone else but I’ve felt the nerf. I want to be arms but it dies. Fury doesn’t die. But the oppressive nature of our previous MS isn’t there anymore. Stacks fall off

They don’t stack as deep. Stuff doesn’t die as easy

[onyx vale]

we need to return to times where only arms rogue and hunter had ms and rogue ms sucked cuz it was a poison

[proven maple]

If you’ve been playing fury pvp since sl. You know this

[torpid roost]

really it should be oppressive to have an angry titan slamming 2 2h's in your face

[proven maple]

Or. It should

Maintaining stacks killed people. Now.

Lol

[fickle forge]

Fury, BM, DH and SL frost mage are the sort of specs I think should never be PvP viable

[lean burrow]

dh never pvp viable

[proven maple]

Well it now needs a class like DH with a real MS. Doesn’t that sound ridiculous to anyone else

[onyx vale]

you aren't going to make a whole class not able to pvp

[tribal wedge]

demono

[fickle forge]

Excuse me, meta is what I meant

[tribal wedge]

don't want to mythic + during arena

[proven maple]

Pairing with a DH gives us a real ms…

[onyx vale]

just delete demono

and bring back real demono

[fickle forge]

For sure 😎👍

[onyx vale]

[fickle forge]

Until DH gets win conditions beyond 123123, get it outta here

[onyx vale]

bro

we are warriors

[undone pumice]

we should remove all classes that arent for real men

[onyx vale]

one of our spec is 1-2

doesn't even have the 3

and arms isn't far better

[fickle forge]

Fury's the same

[proven maple]

I mean. We can arms. And it’s fun. But people make eye contact with you. Particularly wizards. And you die

[undone pumice]

remov everything except woyer dk and priest

[lean burrow]

3 is hamstring

[fickle forge]

Arms at least plays around CDs and utility

An actual PvP spec

[proven maple]

And hamstring is now like the worst slow. When did we allow that to be ok…

[torpid roost]

Hamstring is fucking garbage

[onyx vale]

when monks stole improved hamstring

that's when

[proven maple]

Yep

[onyx vale]

fucking monks

remove them from the game

[undone pumice]

fucking monks

[onyx vale]

remove every leather class from the game

[undone pumice]

they took our jobs

[proven maple]

Well or give us a real slow

Like a real one. Make hamstring not shit

[lean burrow]

i'm monk ||irl||

[undone pumice]

make piercing 90% slow and hamstring 70%

[lean burrow]

[torpid roost]

imp hamstring, or a passive slow/passive closing (when deep wounds/enrage is up, +30% speed and resistance to slows)

I see us more as unstoppable killing machines than I do a disabler

[turbid ember]

Make armor classes matter again

[lean burrow]

that's just enchants

[torpid roost]

yeah just bigdick versions of the enchants, basically

[proven maple]

Well unstoppable killing machines need to slow our targets

[fickle forge]

You're already slow resistant with Bstance

[proven maple]

And current hamstring is the worst slow in game so

[torpid roost]

christ, so much this

[onyx vale]

i think death knight is supposed to be the unstoppable killing machine

we are the high mobility plate class

since our mobility is so high our slow kinda sucks

but bring back improved hamstring

[torpid roost]

Death Knight is the inescapable death vortex

[onyx vale]

and delete every leather class in the game

[torpid roost]

we're the killing machine

[lean burrow]

does this stacks with trinket?

[fickle forge]

I'd rather be impossible to kill personally

[onyx vale]

imagine a world without rogues monks druids and dh

https://tenor.com/view/arcoiris-felicidad-mundofeliz-gif-25768641

[lean burrow]

it's just duration anyway

[fickle forge]

Arms is like a swiss army knife

It does everything decently

[undone pumice]

idk it doesnt survive that good

[turbid ember]

Luckily you have a healer to blame

[undone pumice]

tru

[turbid ember]

"I went into defensive stance, what else did you want me to do?"

[onyx vale]

arms isn't a swiss army knife right now, it's just abusing pve buffs that shouldn't have been applied to pvp

a bit like shadow priest

except arms is made of paper for some reason

[undone pumice]

wdym we needed buffs

[onyx vale]

we didn't need dps buffs

now arms is good cuz it does stupid damage

[undone pumice]

imo it is better if we are a walking nuke than when we are a swiss army knife

[onyx vale]

but being a glass canon isn't arms' identity

[ripe turtle]

bis wep for arms? is it the crit one or mastery?

saw bajheera rocking the mastery one

although it gives more vers

[undone pumice]

arms is usually squish afaik

sl with tanky arms was an exception

[onyx vale]

i think bajheera probably wanted the best weapon for fury

[turbid ember]

We do damage like rogues without the utility

[onyx vale]

most arms players prefer crit

[undone pumice]

crit mastery 1 shitting

who needs haste if van have 16% PI uptime

[ripe turtle]

yea but the mastery one gives 60´+ vers tho if im not wrong

[onyx vale]

warriors are on the tankier side of things, they were in tbc, wrath is kinda cheating cuz there was the hero class just rolling everyone, were okay in cataclysm, mop had second wind

wod doesnt count cuz fuck whoever designed wod

" hahaha warriors aren't supposed to have healing ^^^^^^^^ "

[undone pumice]

gladiator stance

[onyx vale]

gladiator stance was just mop fury gameplay

mop fury was good

[undone pumice]

second wind should be better man, if ur below 50% hp u get perma frenzied regen

[onyx vale]

but just fucking fury's gameplay to give it to prot isn't good design

[undone pumice]

wod had good mogs tho

so who cares

[onyx vale]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/3v3

i'm mostly basing it on the top warrior players

vers is good don't me wrong, but you aren't selling your ass for it

[undone pumice]

why is smexx tauren

[onyx vale]

taurens are cool