pvp

[late nacelle]

arms

[earnest ginkgo]

fury

because you get two swords

[nimble dirge]

Should I pick set gloves even it doesnt have versa and I dont have another piece yet?

[undone pumice]

good man

[safe jewel]

I would say so yeah

Because eventutally you'll want the 4-piece, while also having the crafted helm

In which case you'll need the gloves

[brazen rock]

2 pc gud 4 pc eh

Grab the gloves.

[safe jewel]

4 piece also seems pretty good to me, Idk

free crit chance

[brazen rock]

It's eh.

[mild thunder]

5% crit chance after critting

i mean, you crit pretty often, so i feel like its probably worth getting

esp with reck procs... w/o reck procs its probably not as good

[urban skiff]

pvp ilvl 418, how you guys doing?

[brazen rock]

I take pve from vault so I'm behind

Still 2.2 tho

[mystic barn]

be nice to razonko

apologize

[urban skiff]

solo shuffle really messing with my head

12/12 wins so far, I've been 150 rating below my MMR and been the lowest rated of all players in every match

only gained 2x 75 rating

[mystic barn]

tbh when I got my elite set on dk, thought “that’s weird, I’m surprised the non mythic and elite versions are also glowy”

weird I’m 21/9 and 1700 in shuff

I haven’t 6/0d either mainly 5-1 and 3-3

Wonder why u got the clamp@already

my mmr was in the 2ks vs urs too hm

[south kestrel]

fuck i hate solo shuffle sometimes

everyone just dies except me and i lose rating for it

so good

[soft idol]

No reason to go for fury 2 piece? From vault. No vers on the item 😑

[mild thunder]

fury tier set is a joke lmao

even in pve its like a 2-3% dps increase

2p is 1.2% rofl

[wheat jay]

Just like normal arena

[urban skiff]

Doesn't necessarily mean it's bad for us. Our goal is not dps but specific condition damage

although yeah, it's pretty bad

Having to teach people to behave well in solo shuffle is exhausting

[vestal quail]

Do you not think there is a cheesey death sentence ashen jug build that has some crit or something?

[urban skiff]

death sentence has icd now

[vestal quail]

6 seconds

[urban skiff]

used to be zero

was glorious

[vestal quail]

Yea but ashen jug stacks last 15 seconds

I still want to try something with tier in pvp on fury

Will see

[urban skiff]

my problem is that execute hits like foam

[lusty moth]

it’s also 5% dmg, thought it would’ve been bigger for arms at that point, 10% crit on your MS, like crit + spear vibes. would cleave also open up and delete slam. sorry for bonus pings, it keeps randomly sending :))

[south kestrel]

Reckon its easier to climb solo as arms or fury

im doing a tonne of damage as fury but kill pressure just seems to lose out

[keen basalt]

Vers crit tier gloves or vers mastery glad gloves for fury?

[bright stream]

hard to tell, but in the games I've played fury seems to be struggling after the nerfs

arms seems to be stronger, but that's all SS so far

[south kestrel]

yeah im only climbing ss atm

[urban skiff]

There are more arms than fury above 2400.

[green wyvern]

yeah because you can make some plays as arms

and potentially carry your team

but it's still bad compared to dh,dk

[urban skiff]

Whenever looking at lists like these it's worth remembering that a spec is only as good as it's ability to counter all the other popular specs.

One might conclude that arms is better vs havoc and shadow.

[green wyvern]

not really

[urban skiff]

that's kind of what it means

out of fury and arms, arms has better tools to win against the classes that are otherwise on top

[wooden grove]

For instance, it can be argued that DK is really only in the spot they are because of the state of casters.

[tribal wedge]

Sharpen IS huge to secure kill in shuffle

But the aoe burst of Fury IS really huge too

[urban skiff]

exactly

[urban skiff]

only huge until you face the casters that spread out

[tribal wedge]

True

[south kestrel]

DKs really cook my face

just so much sustained pressure

[eager mortar]

Solo Shuffle is broken for anyone ?

[rapid shore]

couldnt leave few mins ago

after games ended

[grand scaffold]

🤨

he aint nice to me lmao

[urban skiff]

queue disappeared while I was in queue, requeueing did weird shit like queueing up and then saying someone in my group was already in queue

something feels weird about it

[autumn saffron]

2s que also bugged

[eager mortar]

yup sounds like we gonna end up with same issue as last week after reset

[golden pike]

what do you guys think about Blademaster's Torrent in practice for Arms? I feel like when I pop Avatar I want to use my cooldowns and go for a kill, but having to sit the short bladestorm feels weird

[tribal wedge]

Good with unhinged

[golden pike]

aaah makes sense

[undone pumice]

unhinged blademaster is bussin bussin fr

[turbid ember]

Yes, I agree fellow average youth

[urban skiff]

i got like 10 messages every minute about requeue. It finally popped at 12 minutes but nobody accepted

[south kestrel]

im averaging like 2 games an hour

so slow

[turbid ember]

Just think of it as 12 games an hour

[tribal wedge]

Sometimes it proc AT 5 minutes queue sometimes 45 min

[south kestrel]

I had one earlier today, 1 hr 30min wait

then some guy left first round

so awesome

[turbid ember]

You playing during dead hours it seems like

[south kestrel]

been queueing all day

[turbid ember]

Well you say earlier and since everywhere on the internet is American, I assume queuing earlier means 1AM as it is now 8AM

[south kestrel]

im australian

[turbid ember]

Well that's your problem, OCE is dead

[urban skiff]

does sniping sales count as pvp?

[turbid ember]

Only if the person knows they got dominated

[full quiver]

How did you get so much injurious alloy lol

[urban skiff]

i make them

if i craft 20 I post 50

[tiny dagger]

better to craft helm or boots first as arms ?

[full quiver]

As in you buy the mats?

[urban skiff]

yep

[full quiver]

Ah ok

Took me forever to farm rousing ire for my boots

[turbid ember]

Can you sharpen blade into unhinged talent?

[urban skiff]

i just buy them

spent 30k on mats

sold for i guess 90k

[south kestrel]

Whats the counter to rets

is it worth disarming

[turbid ember]

Probably if you're not too low of health already

[silk flicker]

Put their wheelchair brakes on

[south kestrel]

man just keeps coming lol

he just 6-0d us

and i got life swapped into a death by a priest

[drowsy depot]

anyone know the internal cool down of the haste badge ?

[golden pike]

kite/stun when you see wings

[drowsy depot]

45s?

[bright stream]

lmao

literally every healer wants to call targets and is wrong like 75% of the time

[turbid ember]

If a healer calls targets, they're probably just saying that class is giving them a lot of trouble. What they probably mean is to control that target.

[bright stream]

nah every time you tell em that there's a better target they start losing their minds

talking about how they're carrying or they're better than everyone

its like bro, I'm just saying, war has a hard time chasing evokers compared to the dk etc

[south kestrel]

u guys use warbreaker? or

[golden pike]

I do 🙂

[turbid ember]

Evokers so squish if you exhaust their dashes and keep hamstring up

[bright stream]

yeah, depends what they're partnered with

[turbid ember]

Just make evoker dash before you charge and you have a huge advantage

[bright stream]

a lot of good targets become tricky with dk peels for example

also gotta account for pug healers

having fucking garbage positioning in most games

so if you chase a caster target you can bet you're getting left to die

[turbid ember]

I'm bad at positioning on my prevoker, I'm new to pvp healing and the short range on prevoker is rough

[golden pike]

probably equally or more important for your partner(s) to position to you

[turbid ember]

Prevoker has a 25yd range compared to casters 40yd

[dark topaz]

so i have these an as option in the vault. Icy veins says for arms full conquest set is recommended and not the tier set? are they even worth it or?

[bright stream]

oh for sure, but it's solo queue so everyones going to just play the way they think best

and for most players that means how they play with RMX, a Melee cleave, or caster comps

[dark topaz]

i also have the pvp gloves as an option lol

[bright stream]

unless you get a healer that knows whats up with melee, it's rough times

it's noticeable when it happens, but it dont happen often

normally shamans/palas that are on the ball

[golden pike]

random question but does anyone know if there is a way to target the Argent Mawsworn Greatsword from the Torghast vendors? I keep running different wings and getting different transmogs. So far all I've seen is the Burnished Greatsword (the purple one)

[bright stream]

MW/Priest/Evokers all clueless

[plucky schooner]

What enchant is good for fury/arms main weapon?

[bright stream]

run level 6s, check the first vendor rinse repeat

ignore all mobs

just run to endof each floor

[golden pike]

but it says it only drops from Layer 13 and above

or is that different now

[bright stream]

ah might have been updated, I thought it was l6

still, same principal, skip all mobs, go to first vendor, zone out/in

[turbid ember]

Soon I'm gonna be able to 3s with friends as Arms, Unholy DK, Resto Druid

[bright stream]

oh you'll need to have enough tokens to buy it

so if you don't have enough at 2nd boss kill, farm a couple more

[eager mortar]

Sophic Devotion or Frozen Devotion

[bright stream]

shouldn't be hard tho

[golden pike]

honestly the only hard part is farming 300 phantasma

[bright stream]

probs making an alt for warmups

and when I'm playing like shit

[dark topaz]

Does anyone have an opinion on whether tier set is worth for pvp for arms?

[bright stream]

what people think of races atm?

[south kestrel]

ive got 1 tier set piece from pvp and the other from pve, reckon its worth running?

[bright stream]

not Orc cause it looks garbo

thinking Darkiron

[plucky schooner]

Thanks!

[golden pike]

Does Unhinged benefit from Sweeping Strikes?

[bright stream]

don't think so

easy to test

go to aoe dummies, cast sweeping strikes and bladestorm

count the ms

on details

[golden pike]

true

[turbid ember]

Test sharpen blade on that too since I'm not in-game

[autumn saffron]

I think tier will be bis for both arms and fury

[dark topaz]

hmm, guess i'll take the gloves then

especially since they are the pvp version

[bright stream]

fury seems likely, having access to more rage to get to the 12 stacks more often will probably be important

[autumn saffron]

Yea, arms tier seems nice aswell. Don’t know how the stats work for tier pieces tho, is it just random?

[bright stream]

it's based on the pattern from the raid

[dark topaz]

my gloves are crit - mastery

[bright stream]

shoulders; haste/vers
chest crit/vers
gloves crit/mast
legs haste/vers

so great for arms, okay for fury

and you'll probably run the proc helm

(less you can get ~3% more dam from other stats, which seems unlikely)

[autumn saffron]

Thanks, yea seems really nice for arms.

[dark topaz]

Good to know

thanks

[tiny dagger]

yes you can ss unhinged bs

[golden pike]

oh nice

I trust someone named Robocleave on this matter 🙂

[south kestrel]

still lost this

wtf more can i do lol

[bright stream]

I've been having the same problem all day

just number of games man

only way to beat variance

is by making the number of games queued big

[brazen rock]

i mean gz you pve'd harder then everyone else

who knows if you press disarm once or peeled

[south kestrel]

I did

i peeled the entire time basically lol

[brazen rock]

also details against uhdk is fluff

50% of that was cleave on pets

[bright stream]

melee dps in arenas is surprisingly about that

like genuinely

[full quiver]

Lol

It's not melee or caster specific

Like sub rogue isn't about pve

[bright stream]

its not like 100% but

the main dif in playstyle is pressure vs control between melee and range

[south kestrel]

how does this work

lol

howd they get so much more

[eager mortar]

they were lower rating than you

[south kestrel]

by 10...

[bright stream]

nah it's not just about your cr

there's more to it than that

[turbid ember]

Their hidden mmr is higher than yours

[bright stream]

it's about your MMR

[south kestrel]

right

[bright stream]

theirs is high, so they're slowly climbing - they're probably on a win streak or alt, or both

you're going close to 50/50

so you're about the right spot atm

(according to the matchmaker)

[south kestrel]

yeah i dont agree with it tbh

ive died like once in 10 games

[turbid ember]

Of course you don't lol

[eager mortar]

you just need to be on winning streak

[south kestrel]

hard to do apparently

[eager mortar]

no doubt

it's gamble

[turbid ember]

System working as intended

[bright stream]

how many guys u killed in 10 games?

should be at least 30 to go 50/50

ideally is 45

[south kestrel]

idk lol i dont keep a tally

[turbid ember]

Isn't it just about rounds won, not KBs?

[south kestrel]

yeah i dont think kbs has anything to do with it lol

[bright stream]

kbs are how you win the rounds

[south kestrel]

...

bruh

[bright stream]

lmao

[eager mortar]

if you keep at winning streak, system will see you are supposed to be in higher mmr and you will get 100s

[bright stream]

I don't know what you want or expect, its 1500 and you're having a hard time climbing

you're not doing enough damage - otherwise you'd be 200-300 points higher

[south kestrel]

see above screenshot

im doing plenty of damage

im not dying

[turbid ember]

I find solo queue very unforgiving, if you go 0-6 then it's plainly obvious that you're the constant in the variable

[south kestrel]

yeah ive never gone 0-6 thankfully

[bright stream]

can be a good indicator

[south kestrel]

its always 3-3 or 4 and above

[bright stream]

gotta make sure you're not doing you're mental when you're getting touch matchups in terms of what's inthe lobby

but fury is... okay for that

[south kestrel]

at least fury has good sustain hps

[quasi lotus]

Your mmr has settled around your CR. The DK's hasn't settled yet

[bright stream]

youre doing less damage than a 1500 dk, that's not enough to climb

like it or not

if he's 1500, and doing more than you, granted dks will do a little more, do you think that means you're doing enough?

[south kestrel]

i mean what more can you do lol, you cant magically turn on more damage

[bright stream]

and if you don't think that's a problem, then what you're saying is that a 1500 player has the same damage profile as a higher rated player

[south kestrel]

when your team mates are eyeing the floor

[bright stream]

which is not the case

[turbid ember]

I suppose if you're at 1500 and having a tough time climbing you may need to develop more tactics like focus pummel if you're not already

[hearty horizon]

Hi, tried to search but can never find things on Discord. For the second weapon, are we saving and spending conquest or buying other pieces and hoping for the vault?

[bright stream]

this is a thing, but it's not a barrier at 1500, 1500 is fundamentals in rotation and basic positioning

using defensives

focus kicks are like 2k area

[quasi lotus]

It's all beside the point. The question was why is the CR change so different and that's because the warrior has played 4x the amount of games as the DK so has a settled 1500 MMR

[bright stream]

we answered that question, and were discussing a different comment that followed

[south kestrel]

Im all for improving and finding my weak points but im really struggling to see how im stuck at 1500 after my recent games

just reflecting

[half aurora]

Record games if possible. God knows there's plenty of time between queues to review your own vods (or ask someone else to)

[south kestrel]

not wrong..

[bright stream]

in this order;
damage profile (this is easy as fury), talent set up, pvp talent choices, targets and priorities, defensives and offensive timings, basic positioning, interrupting styles/timing/flows, intervenes/slows/disarms defensively

[half aurora]

Simple stuff like thinking about the enemies CD's instead of just my own + their DR's + their trinkets boosted me from 1600 - 1800

[bright stream]

if you are good at those things you will hit 2-2.1k

until then, that's the list, you're not good enough at most/all of it if you're stuck at 1500

do you record your games?

[south kestrel]

I dont

i probably should

[bright stream]

record a few games, post them in reviews, and if you want to tag some people that you like/think they know what's up

[south kestrel]

i think my weakest is identifying the correct target

defensively im pretty sound

[quasi lotus]

hit blue, pink or green

[undone pumice]

hit enemy

simple as

[south kestrel]

If only lol

[undone pumice]

no hit green green zug zug friend not hit zug zug zug zug friend

[bright stream]

cheatsheet:
Spriest/Ele>Frostmage>Warlock>Boomy
After this melee gets tricky, context will change it - generally you want to pick something as high uptime

[south kestrel]

Really? boomy last?

Ive been demolishing them

[undone pumice]

yea cause you have to find a boomy first

[south kestrel]

Haha

[bright stream]

it's not about how easy it is to kill a caster

its about what happens if you leave them alone

priest is going to win via psyfiend

[south kestrel]

yeah fair

[bright stream]

shamans gonna drop totems, and cast

[undone pumice]

i just got like 5% vers from socketing and going from honor to conq neck

big money big money

[south kestrel]

demo lock cant be left alone either though right

because of netherportal

[brazen rock]

conq neck has absurd amount of vers

[undone pumice]

ye

[soft raft]

Thinking about getting into pvp. Is arms or fury better for getting started in arena and climbing?

[bright stream]

demo/melee go demo

[brazen rock]

idk why

[bright stream]

demo/caster most of the time you'll be on the 2nd target

[brazen rock]

its like they assume we'll all go 4piece tier i guess

and lose a bunch there

[bright stream]

if you're a beginner you should be playing fury

[undone pumice]

hella vers

[brazen rock]

its over 900 in arena i think

[south kestrel]

I think melee is what i struggle with the most

[undone pumice]

ye this is just pve values

[south kestrel]

I get rinsed by DH and DK a lot

[undone pumice]

unhinged + blademaster

[soft raft]

Thanks

[brazen rock]

and you generally will as fury.

[turbid ember]

Same some vers for the rest of us

[undone pumice]

you will die but also delete everything in a 3 mile radius

[undone pumice]

no im too versatile

[bright stream]

against melee, targets are about what does and does not have invulns/immunities

[south kestrel]

id also have to start from scratch as arms

[bright stream]

so arms/dh/rogue can be quite bad until their stuff wears off

[undone pumice]

but pala still good target imo cuz shatterable, and arms can be good if u early disarm to stop dbts

[bright stream]

and I'd probably say rogue>dh>arms in terms of difficulty to kill as fury rn

[bright stream]

depends what it's paired with imo

[undone pumice]

it always do

[bright stream]

like I mentioned earlier, against melee its a lot about context

[undone pumice]

but just the specs themselves

[south kestrel]

i havent played many great rogues, I have lost to DH's the most by FAR

[undone pumice]

cuz warrior has tools to bypass their tools to bypass our tools

ykwim

[bright stream]

open hard, when they evade swap, 8 seconds later ride them harder than your mother

[south kestrel]

Sus

[fickle forge]

It's just about cooldowns if it comes to what's killable

Bubble or not

[south kestrel]

ill just have to keep grinding and figure out the winning formula

I appreciate all the tips

[bright stream]

a lot of good teams will cross cc the bubble, but not really an issue at low rank

I'd potentially even skip it without a priest backup

[undone pumice]

sr into shatter

[south kestrel]

havent seen many pallys tbh

[undone pumice]

best combo vs palas

[south kestrel]

SR?

[undone pumice]

iq test

[bright stream]

the absorb dm from wrecking throw is very high

[undone pumice]

spell reflect

[south kestrel]

ah yep

[south kestrel]

wrecking throw is nuts i love it

[undone pumice]

iq test them if they try to hoj you during shatter while sr

[bright stream]

yeah reflect to defend it is good

[south kestrel]

destroy coccoons

[bright stream]

but

if you've got access to your reflect at the time

[undone pumice]

1 shotting cocoons is pogger

[bright stream]

you're probably winning anyway

remember to use reflect for 20% reduction

when old mate drops wings

[undone pumice]

its bussin

sometimes u force them to pepega bubble during wings

so is good

[fickle forge]

Tfw you throw at Cocoon, but MW refills it back up

[undone pumice]

tfw you throw at cocoon and it doesnt get deleted

[south kestrel]

this is what im running atm

[undone pumice]

fury

weirdo

[bright stream]

pvp talents?

main talents look correct tho

[undone pumice]

pvp talents always situational

[bright stream]

nope

[south kestrel]

last game i ran those into an arms warrior and rogue

[bright stream]

warbringer>slaughterhouse>demo

[undone pumice]

what the

[south kestrel]

into a warrior...?

wat

[bright stream]

swap demo out for rebound/disarm when needed

[undone pumice]

warbreaker on fury?

[south kestrel]

he means warbringer

[undone pumice]

a

warbreaker fury would slap

[bright stream]

muscle memory

my b

[undone pumice]

reck odyns wb roar avatar

literal 1shit

[south kestrel]

battle trance not worth due to heavy swapping?

[bright stream]

nerfed/garbage

only worth taking if nothing better and you're playing with arms

[undone pumice]

btrance kinda shit

[fickle forge]

Winbringer is lit

[south kestrel]

okay

[bright stream]

bloodrage is required if enemy team has root

[pearl prism]

How often are you guys stormbolting healer instead of the dps when trying to kill?

[fickle forge]

Only fk'd part is it roots when you finish the Charge

[undone pumice]

true + real + based

[bright stream]

even at 2200-2300 I regularly get left in 8 second roots by moron healers

[pearl prism]

In solo

[fickle forge]

So they can cover a continent before you root them

[green wyvern]

warbringer is insane

[south kestrel]

aight noted

[undone pumice]

fked part is the warbringer bug where you randomly charge the wrong way

around the world around thew orld

[green wyvern]

I hit 50 - 60k crit warbringers all day

[south kestrel]

all the time

[fickle forge]

Losebringer

[south kestrel]

u fkn wot m8?

[undone pumice]

charge > run a lap around dsewers > die during animation lock

[south kestrel]

assume slaughterhouse is still worth taking

[bright stream]

yep even if its mid

[kind fog]

Is arms viable in any case or should I just keep playing Fury for now?

[south kestrel]

So lets say, youre up against a warrior, druid and a shaman, would you then drop warbringer for bloodrage

or disarm

[undone pumice]

do u have a mate with ms?

then drop sh for one of those

[green wyvern]

not sure about fury

but I would never drop warbringer as arms

[kind fog]

Actually does anyone have any viable build for arms in solo shuffle?

Or should I just use one of those form IcyVeins? If yes then which one?

[south kestrel]

lol wtf 50 min queue and some dude insta decliens

pog

[turbid ember]

I'd say just learn the talents

[south kestrel]

@bright stream would you focus SP or DH first in a match up

[bright stream]

sp

[turbid ember]

Most guides should show "core" talents

Then actually read those talents

[ripe turtle]

so is picking up a two-hand with trophy of strife the wise choice here? or is the conq one better choice in long term?

for arms^

[urban skiff]

is solo shuffle queue just completely dead?

[onyx vale]

conquest one is better cuz it has more ilvl

[turbid ember]

Well it depends on your region, if you're in NA now then no shit queue is dead. Come back in 6 hours

[ripe turtle]

what would be good picks with the trophy of strifes then?

[urban skiff]

I'd take at least 1 weapon as conq and do strife for offhand in fury or gear in arms

conq will last forever, strife will eventually need to get replaced and you'll feel sour about losing the enchant

[ripe turtle]

I just thought u save a lot of conq points by getting a wep

[onyx vale]

not the weapons and not the pieces that can be tier sets

[bright stream]

if your cr is less than 2k wait til vault, then buy with conq (if not in vault), use tokens on non-weapon pieces

[south kestrel]

Fuck me

I am getting absolute roasted by sp and amge at the same time lol

[turbid ember]

Sounds like you're out of position

[bright stream]

yep, gotta take the root break talent, go hard priest and hope your healer/partner aren't terrible into that

[ripe turtle]

I see, not sure what pieces are set pieces but would shoulder and boots be good with trophy?

[bright stream]

you don't have a position against double caster, you have where they're standing, and the nearby pillars

[onyx vale]

boots you should want the crafted ones

that reduce the cc duration

[bright stream]

anyone who think that melee dictate positioning against caster teams has no idea what they're talking about

[turbid ember]

You right

[onyx vale]

i'd probably check the stats of the trophy pieces and compare them to the conquest ones

and if i can replace a conquest part that has hast or mastery with a crit one i'd do that

[bright stream]

trophy pieces are supplements, so you want them on low prio pieces like wrists/belt (very efficient), cape, gloves maybe, etc

2nd sword for fury, but only when you run out of better ideas (I'm stupid, and spent my tokens on 2nd sword)

[ripe turtle]

ye prob going to be cape and gloves then

since the others dont have vers and crit

[urban skiff]

it's so hilarious how many healers think we're in control of where the fight happens. Sure I'll "position better" and be stunning myself until they decide to walk up to me i guess.

[ripe turtle]

and the boots are the cc red ones

but the glove conq. ones are kinda nice :/ damn

[urban skiff]

chest his high priority. it only costs 7 instead of 10 strife. So it's better value than other pieces.

[bright stream]

I've played with a lot of healers that only understand the game from the perspective of casters who control the position from a defensive perspective - as soon as they're forced to account for positioning alongside melee, IE taking an active role in positioning as a team, they start making mistakes and throwing tantrums and their ego around

[urban skiff]

"taking an active role in positioning as a team, they start making mistakes and throwing tantrums and their ego around"
Oh shit this explains perfectly my healer friend's whining.

[ripe turtle]

ur saying chest is good with trophy?

[bright stream]

can be considered a waste of the tokens, as you want 4set quickly, and because that piece is high stats

[ripe turtle]

^yea

[urban skiff]

I'm saying it's better stats than the other pieces that cost 7 strife. Other pieces with same amount of stats costs 10 or 16

[turbid ember]

So do you just try to out pressure one of the casters in the open where they both can cast on you? Genuine question, I thought pillars should be used as defensive against casters.

[bright stream]

yeah of course, just depends on where you wanna be, I guess my thinking is like

at this point if you're behind in gear you need to be efficient with tokens

[urban skiff]

There are still 4 weeks until we get catalyst for tier pieces.

[bright stream]

you pressure the high prio guy, and when he bails to the pillar you walk up to the corner, and evaluate if you can keep moving, or have to swap, or have to wait

usually this means looking to see where your ~~muppet ~~ healer is

if they're a caster healer, they'll be at 40 yards, so you're looking at either an all in or a wait

if they're a god, they'll be in front of you waiting

(very common for shaman/hpals to be good at this)

[clear pine]

what you guys buying with conq gear? wanna buy neck for 3x socket but dont know if i should buy arms or fury neckt 😦

[ripe turtle]

there is no chest vers/crit for conq?

[bright stream]

whats your current cr, goals, and are you behind in gear? do you have a weapon?

[bright stream]

doesnt matter, 4set

(get haste)

[clear pine]

i have a weapon, goal is 1800 maybe more. already have 2 set tier. only play solo shuffle. i dont know about arms in solo, fury seems better

[ripe turtle]

I see, but would the conq be a good piece until then or?

[bright stream]

fury better-ish, arms better at high end

[paper wigeon]

vers mastery chest (no set bonus) vs haste versa ring ?

[urban skiff]

There are more 2400+ ranked arms than fury.
Fury is best if you love mindless brawling
Arms best if you love being the surgical playmaker

[bright stream]

I'd probably recommend focusing on buying the small/med pieces, skip the neck for now til you decide which spec

[onyx vale]

depends on how we'll be able to make tier pieces once that system is out

[bright stream]

maybe buy gloves/shoulders

[urban skiff]

I'll always prefer brawling. My friends hate that I'm having fun

[undone pumice]

fury is easy and works better in solo enviormeny imo, arms has a big toolkit and it fucking uneshots people

[clear pine]

Ty for your answers! ❤️

[bright stream]

unravels a bit now at 2.2-2.4

easy target, less good at what it does

arms has a very strong 1shot

via spear

which is hard to compete with

[undone pumice]

it is good at lowrr rating because high rating you will sorta coordinate even in solo

[bright stream]

and arms also counters fury quite hard

[ripe turtle]

played fury at end of SL but played arms at BFA, arms feel so weird and complex now all of a sudden comparing to fury?

[undone pumice]

lmao wat

[ripe turtle]

mby i just lost the feel of arms lol

[urban skiff]

i feel lost in how awkward arms is in pve. I haven't bothered in pvp yet

fury is just smashing that BB rampage button

[undone pumice]

just press mortal strike, overpower ehen u cant, and execute is cool spell

[storm spade]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-unga-bunga-loading-uga-gif-23786525

[brazen rock]

play arms for an afternoon, youll get the basics.

[paper wigeon]

vers mastery chest (no set bonus) vs haste versa ring ?

[brazen rock]

40 min in que at 2200 no games

zzzz

[undone pumice]

i spented 1 hour in q today for no game before i got too hungry

[urban skiff]

i prefer the long queues. Short queue means someone is very low CR with high MMR because of an early winstreak and I can't deal with getting 20 rating for going 4/6.

if it pops within 10 minutes I just don't click

[brazen rock]

bro i just wanna play games

idc about cr

[urban skiff]

I'll be right there with you as soon as I get 1800 transmog

I NEED THAT ROCK HEAD TRANSMOG FOR REASONS

[brazen rock]

inflation is slowly happening anyways so just keep queing up lol

[urban skiff]

1752 right now

[brazen rock]

think 3s eu is already up to 2850 or some shit

[urban skiff]

literally two games that don't go complete shit and I'll be good

1800 is probably my peak

[undone pumice]

same

[urban skiff]

highest i got in SL was I think 1600

[stuck karma]

Im playing arms,and i was gonna upgrade the drakebreakers chest to get a good crit one,but i got two chests with haste from vault,should i still upgrade one? or should i just go for another part? i got the conquest sword already

[tribal wedge]

Still 2k6

[eager mortar]

there is no other source to get trophy of strife except from the weekly quest right?

[tribal wedge]

Ye

[eager mortar]

ty

[unkempt aspen]

hello i wanna ask is arms still viable in 2v2?

or arenas in general

[wooden grove]

Yes

[tulip egret]

Annihilator Warr build its good on arena?

[fair tide]

should I be going into EP and rend for rage dump?

[eager mortar]

believe it or not I just had pvp SS instance with 6 people LMAO

6 each side

then we all got kicked

[craggy cloak]

Oh god, SS is starting to become sentient

It's experimenting

[turbid ember]

RBG meets Arena

[craggy cloak]

Super Solo Shuffle

SSS

Let it happen

[eager mortar]

imagine 6 vs 6 chaos

for faster queues it should be

find match if no healer within 5mins then all dps

[ripe turtle]

queue completely bugged?

[eager mortar]

just got a pop

[ripe turtle]

ye but I cant even queue its just stuck and bugges

[mystic barn]

Are you 600 cr yet

[gritty hazel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/zwou17/solo_shuffle_representation_above_2400_two_weeks/

[full quiver]

Lol

[dawn mulch]

Clearly Arms is overpowered

[eager mortar]

just nerf the top 4 and buff the bottom 4

and skip the rogue

[full quiver]

Lol

Who cares about shuffle over 2.4 though

Shouldn't do balance changes based on 650 players lol

[green wyvern]

ele is busted

[half aurora]

Working for me. US though not sure if you are EU.

[brazen rock]

beyond busted

peel for meatball win game, mop all over again

[turbid ember]

Shaman always surprised me with it's damage for never casting anything

[brazen rock]

Wave generating as many LBs as it does is a bit silly.

[late nacelle]

We need a 1v1 ladder

I think fury might stand a decent chance in there

[turbid ember]

Unwise of you to suggest

[late nacelle]

Or is it..?

[ripe widget]

yeah, there are not wise gnomes out here

[turbid ember]

I'll queue 1v1 as prevoker

I'll make everyone forfeit

[late nacelle]

Also

They should start solo shuffle games at 50% dampening

[lucid raven]

they should start solo shuffle games

[turbid ember]

That would be the stupidest change

[lucid raven]

been in queue 35 mins wtf

[late nacelle]

I leveled a healer just for fast queues

[desert root]

what arms build is the go when unhinged sucks with demo locks

[turbid ember]

People would pop all their CDs off the bat and you wouldn't be able to heal through it

[smoky anchor]

good rogues beat literally everything in 1v1

[fair tide]

ez arms plays

[quaint bison]

I went 2 games of 6-0 on my arms war while doing the lowest dmg every game. Can’t tell if I got carried or being left alone to spam utility / be annoying between smashes was too OP

[quaint bison]

Literally just change unhinged to executioners precision, and blade masters torment to warlords torment

Do big dam during smashes, keep MS up and use bladestorm for breaking roots / immunity to CC instead of dmg

[turbid ember]

You zugzugged mid all game didn't you

[fair tide]

I made some plays on the efc 😄

[desert root]

ty, do u still take warbreaker tho

[lucid walrus]

blunt instruments has felt pretty great ngl

[quick carbon]

Blunt instruments can get you 70k colossus smash crits

Pretty pog

[lucid walrus]

you can still sweep CS & it’s not like CS itself is a big commitment, its cd sits closer to 30sec with anger management

[outer elk]

anyone else having trouble queueing for any rated pvp atm?!

[smoky anchor]

Fury is so fun but I guess the move now is to swap to arms for big dick dmg. Honestly biggest issue right now is getting destroyed by DH

[quick carbon]

the secret to dealing with dh

is wait for them to blur off their mount and trinket the first cc in the game

Then you press stormbolt

And hit them for 60k 100k 140k in 3 globals

[smoky anchor]

as arms?

[quick carbon]

yes

[smoky anchor]

what is that, collosus smash, ms, and execute?

have no idea how arms got changed in df

tbh

[quick carbon]

colossus smash with avatar then spear then ms

then they die

And you /rofl

you don’t even need execute 50% of the time

they’re already dead

[smoky anchor]

i feel like th ebest move right now to climb is learn how to beat spriest and dh

Have zero issues with spriest, just train em and watch for psyfiend

but dh man they seem to take very little damage

doesn't blur work through stuns

[quick carbon]

sp is actually insane

I’m going to show u how sp operates

[smoky anchor]

idk i find that if i just interrupt mind games and fear or stun during psyfiend

they can't do much

[quick carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051380708217737337/1057487503864639509/df_pvp_2.png

This is what happens

[smoky anchor]

hahaha

[quick carbon]

Imagine the Druid icon is warrior icon

[fair tide]

reflect the mindgames

[smoky anchor]

oh ya that's probably a better move

[quick carbon]

imagine trinketing the horrify then getting horrified two more times on your trinket

[smoky anchor]

do i get the healing buff then?

[quick carbon]

Then dying

because that’s what happens

[smoky anchor]

if i spell reflect mind games

[quick carbon]

If you want tips on dealing with rogues

Refer to this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051380708217737337/1057487642025021511/df_pvp.png

Imagine the shaman icon is just the warrior icon

Accept your fate

And q next game

[smoky anchor]

i basically ignore rogues, except for a focus disarm during shadow dance

idk haven't run into many issues with them

[quick carbon]

you ignore rogues until they kidney you and kill you through every cd

[smoky anchor]

hahahah true

[quaint bison]

it’s so TRUE

[quick carbon]

Fr

[smoky anchor]

maybe i should play my rogue. imo they should be s tier in solo shuffle but i guess it's not as brainless as some other specs

but they have so much utility

and crazy damage

[quick carbon]

Assassination is s tier in shuffle

sub is not

[smoky anchor]

mm

ya ass tears my ass open during kidney shots

[quaint bison]

I haven’t had a good time with rogues

[smoky anchor]

but luckily i'm almost never a focus target for them

[brazen night]

I just hit 70 on my rogue and it's hella fun to play ass

[smoky anchor]

(in solo shuffle)

[turbid ember]

Spriests drive me nuts that they can cc chain you with every DR in the game

[quick carbon]

you can deal with rogues to an extent but good rogues will probably just fondle you

you want to know what gets on my nerves more than rogue or sp tho?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1051380708217737337/1057488138534137856/df_pvp_3.png

[smoky anchor]

nah man

ele sham

[quaint bison]

I play arms and devoker so I’m either getting analed by them or griefing their CC with my incidental cleave

[quick carbon]

when this happens to u man

it’s so painful

[smoky anchor]

i just don't really care about ele sham at all cause i've played against like 2 in dozens of solo shuffle games

but those 2

did so much damage

even when we tried to focus them

[lucid raven]

is it normal for solo shuffle queues to take 35+ mins followed by people abandoning after 2 rounds

[smoky anchor]

like zero casting

[quick carbon]

Yes solo shuffle is a meme bracket

I make a habit of trolling solo shuffles because the whispers you get are absolutely cash money

[turbid ember]

Never thought I'd see the day where els shammies do less hard casts than affliction locks

[quick carbon]

Ele been like this for a while

[smoky anchor]

honestly i have zero clue what they do but they were top dps even when we focused them

idk if it is totems or what

or whatever shock shit they have

can't figure it out and they are so rare that idk if i should even bother

[turbid ember]

Feels like a lot of stuff has dispel protection as well

[smoky anchor]

they have some kind of lightning lasso thing lmfao first time i saw that i was like wtf

ah well. got the polearm from the vault. could be worse. gonna go arms this week and see how it goes. all my gear is basically haste/vers, but arms prioritizes crit right?

mind boggling how much frozen devotion hits for sometimes

yesterday hit someone for 40k off a fat bloodthirst

[urban skiff]

man i want to play my rogue so bad

I'm just unfortunately so bad at it

[urban skiff]

spell reflect it

[smoky anchor]

isn't it instant

[urban skiff]

no, cast time

[scarlet crown]

how do u guys deal with evoker healers?

[urban skiff]

I bonk them

they have no defensives they can use while stunned

[turbid ember]

They can use their big aoe massive heal in most CC

[mild thunder]

0 chance. Based on what I’ve heard, even the RB build is dogshit now. Fury needs the self healing after losing bladestorm. Fury execute also just doesn’t hit that hard

[turbid ember]

But definitely stuns

[scarlet crown]

okay thanks!

[turbid ember]

Evokers are squish if you exhaust their escapes

[smoky anchor]

honestly hitting bloodthirst with that 50% damage boost in execute range feels a hell of a lot better than execute

[lucid walrus]

training a DK repeatedly trying to 1-shot him for 2 rounds just for him to say “you’re annoying” when he’s on your team

shit’s so entertaining if you can rein in the tilt

[lucid walrus]

it’s instant to start, but it’s channeled. kicking it locks them on nature and ends the stun

reflecting it will just make it bounce off you, pretty nice actually

[torpid roost]

https://old.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/zwou17/solo_shuffle_representation_above_2400_two_weeks/

[fair tide]

can blizzard start permabanning ragequitters in shuffles?

would be fucking great

just went 5 wins and someone QQ'd out

[torpid roost]

Just put them in a quitter queue for (x) games

Punishment accelerating per quit

[fair tide]

if you type /afk during a match it should reset your CR

right back to fucking zero

fuck you

[smoky anchor]

nah, they should get locked out for a day if they leave, and if they leave again after that it keeps doubling. like old talent reset gold costs

then the leaver penalty slowly decays in levels once per month

[torpid roost]

So they get stuck with more of their kind, but if you just had an internet outage or emergency you can rejoin society at some point

[fair tide]

I waited 45 mins for that queue

goddamn I hate this mode

[torpid roost]

Fully sympathize there

[thick reef]

Hello warriors, I need help. I tried DH, I have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm wrecking arenas.... and it kinda feels good. I love warrior, but I'm starting to have feelings for this new class. Please help.

[torpid roost]

Also incentives for healers would be killer

[smoky anchor]

dh is just bonkers right now enjoy it while it lasts

[torpid roost]

Welcome to the dark side, just throw games when we're opposite each other

Call it reparations

[smoky anchor]

although apparently the play to delete them is just bait out blur then kill them in a stun as arms

[thick reef]

I tried Arms burst window, felt lackluster

very reminiscent of the arms burst from s1 SL, luck based.

[torpid roost]

Arms can one shot its just too avoidable

[thick reef]

^

[torpid roost]

Yet they keep giving us more damage

It's not the fucking problem

[thick reef]

ELE's terrify me atm

[torpid roost]

We need a deterrent, or a solid steady state defensive

[thick reef]

any advice vs them?

[torpid roost]

Relog, queue into them as your dh

[thick reef]

yaaaah

Once I went DH i didn't really have trouble with them

[torpid roost]

They can get smoked by a good reflect

[thick reef]

Feels like War is gonna be late to the party S2/S3 fun

[torpid roost]

Have a bit of trouble sticking on them though

[thick reef]

True story: I started smashing an elemental shaman, and I was waiting and waiting to pummel one of his casts.... but the cast bar never came.... it just never came...

still died

[smoky anchor]

yeah it doesn't come

[frank knoll]

Devoker is scary too if they have hands

[smoky anchor]

how long does blur last again? like 4 seconds?

[frank knoll]

Saw a 160k living flame after a 200k fire breath

That’s 2 globals

[ancient dirge]

Which tier set pieces have vers on it?

[turbid ember]

Did you have pvp gear?

[thick reef]

I have rarely had to hit it honestly so don't know

[frank knoll]

If he’s good you’ll have trouble locking them down

[smoky anchor]

because you don't get focused or because not enough dmg? what cr

[frank knoll]

Devokers aren’t complaining about melees rn, they’re all mad about shadow priests and locks

[thick reef]

mostly b/c leech I guess. I didn't really go red much, and I often just flew away during melee burst

So many CC's

5 sec banish, 5 sec ish fear, 4 ish second ST stun, 2-4 i don't remember second AOE stun

all on pretty short CDs

They try to focus you but you just troll them and run away outside of burst, when they forget about you, just come back in with your cds

[frank knoll]

They get a silence too

[fair tide]

win 5 rounds, get 13 rating

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-thumbs-up-kid-thumbs-up-meme-brent-ramobjust-gif-19399510

[torpid roost]

Solo shuffle is kinda horseshit

[outer elk]

yeah, it's "oh, there is an undergeared/laggy/bad class/unskilled healer, guess we're going 3/3"

[fair tide]

the shitty thing about going 3/3 is you can lose like 50 rating

really punishing for getting a shitty player

I don't get why 3/3 can't equate to 0cr

but I guess MMR is sort of fucked atm

have 0mmr healers getting into 1800+mmr games

[thick reef]

CR evaluation is done by who you lost/won to for each round independently.

[urban skiff]

this

still wish I could see my own MMR

[quaint bison]

So basically you get fucked

When the turd dps

Gets carried by illidangodegdelordlolx

Holding W and performing his 3 button rotation

[thick reef]

I have no fundamental clue as to what i'm doing as DH

Not really advocating for switching, this is just info on how easy this class is

[hollow ore]

oh boi I can't wait for war arms to get a +5% mortal strike damage and still getting trained into oblivion through defensive stance

[thick reef]

You can smash any button you want and damage just happens

[lean burrow]

show cr

[thick reef]

All the damage in the world doesn't amount to much when we're easily shut down with a variety of common moves

[hollow ore]

y e p

[thick reef]

my cr in this match was only around 600.
The healers were both very good

the dps were mediocre

[hollow ore]

but hey at least we're getting +5% damage on mortal strike

sick right?

[thick reef]

But with all those chainable CC, healers didn't really get to do much against me

They need to make disarm also reduce magic damage so its useful for more than 3 classes

[hollow ore]

or, you know, not give it to every class and their step sister

[thick reef]

Fury at 600 cr was not "easy" stuff roll over though

[hollow ore]

fucking boomkin going CQC on my ass disarming me

getting wrestled by a chicken

[thick reef]

lol

Even then it's not useful against many classes due to the prevalence of magic damage.

[undone sage]

funfact: i thought disarm reduced all damage done by someone (in addition to them ofcourse not being able to use abilities if theyre a melee class with a weap) so i was disarming casters too. i mean ffs, the tooltip sais it too...

[hollow ore]

'member when defensive stance was a thing

[thick reef]

A moment of silence please

[hollow ore]

I'm happy to tell you monk still beat yo ass through disarm

[undone sage]

yep i know that :D

[thick reef]

Rest in pepperoni ignore pain

[hollow ore]

gives me aids

I'm not even sure ignore pain would help us out

[thick reef]

Monks don't really scare me, their burst lines up well enough with stuns/fear

It feels like they're playing the same old SL combos

[hollow ore]

imagine having to use every disruptive cd in your kit to cancel their go

[thick reef]

yah, but as a war, just rot them

Meanwhile they have the warrior kit and more

[undone sage]

wtf to choose here. i dont raid, but i wanna push M+ badly, and at same time dont wanna "fall behind" in pvp gear as conq is capped at 550 per week.....

[quaint bison]

Let us pray.

[hollow ore]

415 tier set all the way

no questions asked

[gaunt galleon]

Tier

[thick reef]

Tier

[hollow ore]

if it wasn't tier I'd say CoS trinket is busted in m+

[undone sage]

the stats are awesome, i agree, but problem is, for PVP falling behind on gear

[hollow ore]

but man tier 415 ilv is a go to

[thick reef]

Isn't tier shit though if you're fury?

[hollow ore]

you lose 9 ilv

[gaunt galleon]

Pvp gear not much

[undone sage]

tier is bad for fury yep, but, the stats on helm are amazing

[gaunt galleon]

One piece scaling like 11 ilvl more

[thick reef]

Feels bad that the tier set is so worthless.

Kinda gives me little to hope for atm

They may buff it

[undone sage]

didnt take pvp piece last week, instead got this:

[thick reef]

Fingers crossed

[undone sage]

pepehands

[thick reef]

waiting to see how much that 4 set really changes things.

[hollow ore]

fury is middle of the line in raid atm right?

[thick reef]

It's going to make dh even stronger

[hollow ore]

doubt it's getting a treat anytime soon

[thick reef]

Theirs is very strong

Pretty sure fury is the red headed step child after S3 SL and maybe S4

[hollow ore]

well considering how everyone was whining about warr during the first two weeks

bet yo ass we aint seeing the end of it despite dh outperforming us

[brazen rock]

415 tier

whetstone is insane but you can just farm it

[outer elk]

is arms better than fury again after the patch?

[undone sage]

true, just that i already had 392 tier head, yep valor is also capped, just really feeling now as if im shooting myself in the foot pvp wise, as im already minus 4 pvp pieces (2 vaults chose pve, 2 sparks used on pve pieces)

i chose the 415 helm now. been struggling with decision all day =.=

[scarlet barn]

I only am speaking the truth. I dont bash you when you are right though 👀

[undone sage]

true

[thick reef]

People are used to warrior not having any healing.

This channel was regularly lit up with idiots saying fury was overpowered

[rare ibex]

What is fury stat prio for arenas again? Vers > mast > crit > haste?

[hollow ore]

well yeah after years getting shat on in 1v1 scenario since we had no sustain

I can guess they're at a loss for words when we don't die frame 1

[thick reef]

Vers haste mastery crit

[rare ibex]

thanks

[thick reef]

Arms is vers > crit > mastery >= haste

[sly furnace]

whats the highest time u had to wait for solo shuffle? 🙂

[thick reef]

48 min

[rare ibex]

almost an hour........ which started almost an hour ago

[fair tide]

you're supposed to get

[sly furnace]

51 min atm and 3x declined joins ;D

[worn flame]

Playin arms crit build, should I get conq neck or ring? with ring i get 2x crit/vers 🤔

[rare ibex]

The declined joins are the worst. You get all excited after 45 mins in the queue, only to have the 6/6 player timeout. Then another 45 mins in the queue.

[brazen rock]

neck

3x slots big

[lean mason]

That sounds disgusting what in the world

When did blizzard decide that’s a good idea?

[rare ibex]

Yeah it seems like everyone who declines or times out is a healer.. since I've had like 25 of them and they all take 5-45 mins for another queue to pop.

[lean mason]

Jesus

[thick reef]

I've had a few rapid reque, but it does seem to scramble

Otherwise if one person declined you'd be back in the que with the healer thstbaccepted

[burnt pawn]

is the bloodbath build the only good one in pvp?

[quaint bison]

Tuesday peak time seems best day to spam shuffle

Capped my vault on 1 toon in like 2 hours

5-10m que as dps

[sly furnace]

que is scuffed atm cant even join

"someone in your grp is alrdy qued for that"

[coral axle]

Is it peak time now? Or are you in EU or something

[quaint bison]

Hopefully that means they’re improving it

[coral axle]

Middle-late workday in NA rn didn't think this was peak

[quaint bison]

Peak time being like 6-9pm for whatever time zone your servers I

[turbid ember]

It's not peak in NA. Peak is in about 1.5-2.5 hours

[coral axle]

Ah word you were talking about yesterday I'm whacked out

[quaint bison]

I guess consider peak after the work day of east coast

Which is what I’m on

America runs on EST because that’s where the stock exchange is and you can’t change my mind

[thick reef]

So, if Arms becomes the thing and we dumped conquest into haste.
Is the priority?
Delete War, level, buy crit gear?

[tight imp]

how much conquest can we get per week? at cap and have 650 and wondering if i should save what i have next week to be able to get one of the bigger items

[quaint bison]

I mean besides crafted items getting lvld and geared is fast af now. Not a bad idea to start a second war now just in case

[tribal wedge]

Haste good on arms

[quaint bison]

Helm/boots is covered by crafted and tier takes 4 slots for both specs so realistically you wouldn’t be that scuffed tbh

Just get the crit WM sword and start buying the right off pieces

[urban skiff]

haste mast crit

[mild thunder]

Do you guys ever take berserker shout? I feel like I seriously underuse it, would probably be super useful into rogue or priest comps

[brazen rock]

always.

[mild thunder]

I kinda forgot it existed

Being able to get your healer out of an opening sap or something seems pretty nice

[brazen rock]

oh the aoe zerk shout

uhh into rogue and thats it really

[eager mortar]

man can someone tell people to at least gem and enchant, had a healer who had nothing beside his pvp gear, getting one killed within seconds

[brazen rock]

enchants are barely 1%

besides weapon

[mild thunder]

Yeaa, come on I know to use my personal berserker shout 🤡

[eager mortar]

yeh but that 411 vs at least 417-418 + gem and enchant a bit of gem and enchant goes a long way

[mild thunder]

Not really tbh. If you’re healer was getting one tapped, it’s not because of enchants

And with a ~6ilvl gap, it’s not because of gear either

[eager mortar]

idk I feel combining both that together the healer didn't have a chance

can be skill + knowledge issue too considering they didn't have any pvp records

[mild thunder]

Most of the enchants are just speed based nowadays anyway

But yea I can promise you it was neither gear nor enchants

[eager mortar]

[mild thunder]

And crying about people not having them when they’re still stupidly expensive is kinda pointless

Best weapon enchants are still >100k on my server

And even the shit ones are about 50k

[eager mortar]

are they tho? money is easy to make I', not rich myself just mining and herbalism got me enough money to buy them

but I agree that you are right that it might not be gem or enchant issue

[mild thunder]

100k? Yes that’s pretty expensive

[torpid roost]

All the top players using speed but I'm kinda seeing pvp as a binary now

Either I have complete free reign or I can't do shit

Very little foot chasing

[thick reef]

Go mining/herbalism, make gold using those 30 minutes in between solo shuffle qs

[eager mortar]

that how I have been making my money KEKW

[zenith marlin]

wait

fkn EU queue bug again?

[thick reef]

I've made a solid 200k+ so far on one toon just doing gathering in between rounds and selling mats/recipes from the win boxes

[zenith marlin]

Is this a joke blizz

[mild thunder]

Imagine queuing for shuffle

[urban skiff]

go farm up titan orbs between queues

[teal adder]

hey guys

[eager mortar]

++++

[teal adder]

does priest PI affect bladestorm ticks and duration?

[mild thunder]

I have more than enough to hold to buy enchants - they’re just a waste

Why spend 100k now, when you can wait 2-4 weeks and pay 20k

[urban skiff]

I made 235k in 30 minutes today just buying materials for alloy and selling again.

[lucid walrus]

yeah

[urban skiff]

now some fucker tanked the price and I gotta wait holding 200 alloys

[mild thunder]

Like I already said, weapon enchants are not losing you games. Unless you’re already 2200+ and are playing games by the skin of your teeth, maybe

[teal adder]

really? so it will channel faster and pump more dps?

[elfin surge]

Warrior is F tier melee

[lucid walrus]

ya

[urban skiff]

yes

[teal adder]

insane

ty

[mild thunder]

Hush, child

[lucid walrus]

it's nothing crazy but i just tested with IFTK on arms

[urban skiff]

pin this please

[mild thunder]

We’re gonna be S tier in 10.0.5

[lucid walrus]

seems like 2% haste knocks off .1 second

[undone pumice]

idk 1000 str is pretty good

[smoky anchor]

mmr is more indicative

[smoky anchor]

what's your mmr on your dh?

[mild thunder]

Get the shitty enchants for -700 str, waste 50k less gold

[thick reef]

I dunno atm, only put in a few rounds. I just started playing him in rated today

[undone pumice]

ye but if u arent dripped out

are u really playing wow?

[urban skiff]

where do we see MMR in shuffle?

[undone pumice]

ingame

matchamking value when u open scoreboard

[mild thunder]

Same place you see in on a normal arena

[zenith marlin]

wtf even blizz

how tf am I in 2 solo shuffle queues

[smoky anchor]

idk sometimes my frozen devotion crits for 40-50k on top of everything else going on

[undone pumice]

ur so chad giga mega wide giga pumper they need to split u

[zenith marlin]

truu

ahh nice sparks of life in is plains

time to hunt some pve bois

silly pvp guards ruin it abit

[smoky anchor]

boyz just give it to me straight. is fury/arms in solo shuffle good? or do i need to switch to another melee

can't stand playing ranged classes

trying to have fun mostly, getting higher rating would be nice but not necessary

[torpid roost]

World pvp is almost never good

[zenith marlin]

its horrible when scrubs team up

[torpid roost]

They're mediocre

[zenith marlin]

and they have healers etc

[torpid roost]

Warrior is in a pretty bad, not awful place

[undone pumice]

wtf

are u saying

hairspray boy

[torpid roost]

Do you have difficulty comprehending English text?

[undone pumice]

yes

[torpid roost]

I think we may have found the issue

[eager mortar]

they are F tier now according to mud

[zenith marlin]

lmao this hunter dismounted me

just to die to 3 GCD

[smoky anchor]

for pve i play mage cause they are always at least decent and can push keys reliably well just historically speaking through all expansions

would the pvp counterpart be... rogue? i thought warrior was the play for that type of reliably useful dynamic

[undone pumice]

because unless i am misreading this is a lie

[torpid roost]

What is a lie

[undone pumice]

woyer never bad

woyer good

[torpid roost]

Zugzug

[zenith marlin]

bruh why is the arms set

SO GOOD

AUFHAFUAUFHAFH

sry got zergs

[torpid roost]

I'd put up low C tier

[zenith marlin]

been covid for a week in this basement without weights

[vestal quail]

I reckon warr is pretty solid right now if you want to grab some rating especially seeings as it’s pretty simple to play at a decent level. Fury being easier than arms

[undone pumice]

c for crush enemy

[zenith marlin]

haha ye

[torpid roost]

And look, we're bad, but, larosx is 2700 in solo shuffle

Unless he's literally cheating

We're passable

[smoky anchor]

ya i think imma level my rogue. actually really good at rogue just never could find ppl to play together for organized pvp. but with solo shuffle that changes. i feel like they are a stable top tier pvp class, not always the best but always up there

isn't that how war is tho

dh has been trash before

[undone pumice]

really good at rogue

[vestal quail]

I’m shit at rogue, randomly blind people out of stealth, insta pop my cloak and evasion then fail to restealth 1600 in 2s Andy

[smoky anchor]

rogue is actually really fun, especially focus kidneying a healer every 30 seconds