pvp

[undone pumice]

that would be ableism

gonna sue them

[turbid ember]

I'd spit on the paper as a signature if I could

[undone pumice]

that would be legit tho

spit sample

impossible to fake

[river river]

I nut on it

[undone pumice]

pls

close ur mouth forever

[river river]

Never

Is slam a needed ability as fury?

[turbid ember]

Technically yes, but no

[river river]

Elaborate?

[safe harness]

Slam ur nuts on the enemy

[scarlet barn]

Most of builds dont use it

[river river]

Trying to see if it fits in mine at all, maybe cause I dont use raging blow

[turbid ember]

If literally everything else is down you press it, but if you're looking for something to do, I think gauging map awareness would be better

[scarlet barn]

Anni does but its only to rpess when nothing else can be pressed

Pretty rare in pvp

[thick reef]

Do you have giant hands

[river river]

Trying to figure out what conquest gear to gettt

[turbid ember]

I have a keyboard where my F1 is directly above the number keys w/o any space. I'll find it

[thick reef]

i guess now that i look at mine the f keys arent that far either but i dont press them enough for it to be like a natural smooth reaction

[turbid ember]

Best keyboard layout, don't @wheat jay

Vortex Race 3 for anyone who cares

[wheat jay]

bro why you tagging a guy

smh

0 culture

[turbid ember]

Changed to someone that isn't human

[white briar]

Nah. If you're at the very highest level you might want to be dark iron over draenei, but it's not a big deal at all like it used to be. Tonnes of races provide some cool shit right now. Dark iron/normal dwarves, gnomes, humans, trolls, all good shit. Can even play a "bad" race, doesn't matter much at all.

[wheat jay]

finally someone recognizes my superiority, thank you

[raw summit]

Ultimately pvp is about tmog

[wheat jay]

i am superhuman indeed

[raw summit]

So you never wanna be draenai

[white briar]

This is true

[lean burrow]

why no numpad

[turbid ember]

Maybe if it was a work keyboard I would. Otherwise a numpad is about as useful as Slam

Shout-out to the days where I'd keyboard turn and use the numpad for my abilities

[wheat jay]

wtf

[raw summit]

I mightve done some bad shit as a newbie

[wheat jay]

who'd use numpad for abilities

[raw summit]

But never that

[wheat jay]

what an animal

not even good animal

more like opossum

or rat

jesus

[turbid ember]

Okay zoomer

[undone pumice]

superchonk draenei mogs are ok

[raw summit]

No

[undone pumice]

kinda mid but not bad

gigaslut fdraenei mogs or gigachonk mdraenei mogs are the only choices

[wheat jay]

from clicking skills with mouse to shift binds

to depression

that's how you do wow parkour

[undone pumice]

depressioj to depression

parkour

[undone pumice]

u need to bind all ur numpad buttons to 1 ability the smash your face on it to usd that spell

[raw grove]

agreed. that was the best keyboard I ever had. 65% is the way

[undone pumice]

bloodthirst on numpad

concussion speedrun

[turbid ember]

I didn't play mage back then

[lean burrow]

numpad for roguelikes

[river river]

Ahhh im driving myself mad trying to decide on conquest gear

Someone end me

[scarlet crown]

For our Gladius users, is there a way to hide default arenaframes? Or is it an option im missing

[turbid ember]

Why don't you just disable it from the wow edit mode?

[scarlet crown]

because you can't?

In edit mode it's only to hide/unhide it for when you're editting it if im right. Not for clicking to use it or not

because you can uncheck all boxes and everything is still being used right?

[scarlet crown]

i went with the weap :3

[river river]

Well I cant get both weapons rn, cause fury gang

[scarlet crown]

same same

1 conq weap is better than 2 right? 😛

[turbid ember]

2nd weapon is just a stat stick, I'd get other pieces personally

[scarlet crown]

i see

so then leaves us with the piece that gives most stat boost, no? 😛

[turbid ember]

For 1800 conquest

[river river]

Ive though about trying to get a wpvp GS and spending conquest on armor

[turbid ember]

Idk how pvp tier pieces work or if they even exist anymore

[river river]

and a neck

Just dont wanna feel like I wasted conq rn

[wooden grove]

The only wasted conq is conq you don’t spend

[turbid ember]

If arena tier pieces don't exist anymore then gear choices after the first weapon don't matter

[river river]

Only the wpvp set has set bonus I believe

[scarlet crown]

im sorry, GS?

[wooden grove]

But really it’s mainland weapon with a trophy of strife offhand, and then just buy whatever has the highest stats

[river river]

GS doesnt matter?

[wooden grove]

Wpvp set bonus only works in wpvp. Not instanced PvP

[river river]

Does the vers gain not? ah

[turbid ember]

Highest stats? It's all the same ilvl so the stat split in upgrades scales accordingly, no?

[wooden grove]

I don’t know what the fuck you just typed

[spice hornet]

all i fight is dh/dk/x or some variation of spriest/demo/dh

[wooden grove]

It’s not hard. If you look at the piece and it has a higher strength value than the other pieces, buy that one first

But always weapon first

Then go by that

[river river]

Like a chest piece has a higher stat then wrist

[wooden grove]

No shut up you’re an idiot

[turbid ember]

I didn't mean to reply to you

[wooden grove]

Your damage and survivability in PvP don’t care about how much they cost just about how mich stat you gain

Buy the biggest stat boosts

This is why people saved week one to buy MH week 2

[turbid ember]

So all 875 pieces or whatever they cost don't give the same increase in stats?

[wooden grove]

Nope

[river river]

You can get only get 8 strige trophies a week?

[hollow depot]

0,m nyt

[undone pumice]

true

[brazen rock]

yes

[nimble jasper]

buying tier slots

kind of dumb

[spice hornet]

why does the demo lock specialization make me want to alt f4

as arms

[nimble jasper]

why does the warlock class

make me want to alt f4

its only tolerable if you play with a competent shaman

[river river]

Uh oh

*runs cause im a warlock main

[nimble jasper]

[turbid ember]

Your delta of aspirants chest to glad chest is as follows

+110 str
+299 stam
+15 haste
+163 vers

For the helm

+112 str
+299 stam
+13 mast

• 164 vers

The delta between those is

2 str
0 stam
1 vers
2 secondary

So it doesn't matter like I said. I shouldn't have put this much effort towards you

[lean burrow]

that's the difference between honor and conquest piece?

[nimble jasper]

realistically

it barely matters

but buying a conq piece in a tier slot pre catalyst is dumb

[turbid ember]

Although I guess just target haste pieces is the best advice for order of upgrade

[nimble jasper]

as long as you dont buy a conq medallion first

[lean burrow]

[nimble jasper]

anyone acting like a marginal amount of stat

is why they win/lose games

is major cope

[turbid ember]

True

[dark sparrow]

So as arms you get all the crit gear where possible and fill in with haste where you can’t get crit? Any specific haste breakpoint you need to aim for?

[nimble jasper]

you are slightly ahead if you pull wep/major slot tier pieces in vault first

[wooden grove]

15-20% has been the recommended haste for arms atm

[nimble jasper]

i mean thats feelycraft as hell

[undone pumice]

0% haste gigachads

[nimble jasper]

you’re not a caster where there are cutoffs

[turbid ember]

Does haste affect bleed times?

[lean burrow]

I had 2 rounds in shuffle where enemy and teammate were within 2% hp

[nimble jasper]

your globals are slightly faster with more haste though so I guess if your decision making is worse

[lean burrow]

+2 strength matters

[undone pumice]

full dmg mastery crit 0% haste hyperchads

[nimble jasper]

more haste might benefit you

[nimble jasper]

i mean mag played full crit

when people stacked haste

[turbid ember]

If only you had gotten the +2 str instead

[undone pumice]

i play full crit and mastery rn

i slap people

[nimble jasper]

honestly rn

[lean burrow]

so true

[undone pumice]

like those russians at the slapping 1v1 tourneys

[nimble jasper]

you’re more gimped if you have a cheap enchant

on your wep

than anything

[undone pumice]

i have t3 sophic writ

[nimble jasper]

t2 sophic devo

[turbid ember]

I feel personally attacked

[nimble jasper]

i mean 800-900 mainstat

on your burst

is a bigger deal than 20-30 passive str

[undone pumice]

i COULD buy a few wowtokens and sell those or i COULD have SEVERAL meals

[wooden grove]

Could be the person with conq trinkets and neck

Getting dicked on

[nimble jasper]

even then

conq gear is only 13 ilvl above honor

[undone pumice]

13 ilvl is a lot

[nimble jasper]

not really for 2-3 pieces

[undone pumice]

would u inv a 370 guy to mythic raid?

no

[nimble jasper]

im perma behind 13 ilvl on 2pcs

cuz i need my sparks for raid gear

🙂

[spice hornet]

there a reason why hunter entrapment doesn't share DR with other roots?

[undone pumice]

diversification is poison

[urban ore]

Hey! Quick question: Is the Annihilator build the best for Fury pvp?

[undone pumice]

you are not davinci

[undone pumice]

yes

[wooden grove]

If you dont wanna die, yeah

If you want them to die, go arms

[lean burrow]

play the game for 2 months for free, or gain +30 pts that will get eaten by inflation

[scarlet crown]

so if the wpvp set only works for wpvp, honor/conq gear > wpvp set?

[wooden grove]

The biggest true. Give it a few months and it’ll be meaningless

[oblique apex]

wpvp gera will give better stats then honor gear in arena right ?

i meen 385 one

[wooden grove]

You can use 421 wpvp gear as placeholders for conquest gear

[brazen rock]

more haste means more rage to burn through for more csmash windows

you dont really hit for dick outside of csmash anyways

[undone pumice]

more crit = more rage fr fr

[oblique apex]

i got weapon for cp and just bought wpvp chest

[brazen rock]

gotta give em some weird niche of being the most asspained thing to fight as melee

a good mm makes me want to throw my keyboard through a wall smh

[wooden grove]

421 stuff is good 424 is better. I don’t think any of the stat distributions make the 421 better to use than the 424, but you can save conquest buying your other pieces first.

[spice hornet]

kekw

[undone pumice]

bms more cancer imo

[spice hornet]

just got hit for a 150k death sweep fuuu

[river river]

Does pvp gear actually do anyhing in wpvp?

[undone pumice]

ye

[scarlet crown]

Fuck, i havent been doing my quest for trophies T_T

[wooden grove]

It scales to 424

So that’s nice

[nimble jasper]

@undone pumice idk

got my 2100

waiting for game to be less cancer

before playing again

[north thicket]

Looking at the 3v3 EU ladder, there is a (1) Warrior in top 100. Stellar performance and top representation 😄
We are fine, it's just skill... right? Right?

[brazen rock]

eu likes to take time off work to reroll whatevers FOTM

wouldn't pay much attention to eu leaderboards

[lean burrow]

will that ever happen?

[north thicket]

I see, makes sense

[brazen rock]

also top 100 is probably the same 12 dudes on alts

[nimble jasper]

if it doesnt well

ill play rogue sp for mount then go back full pve ig

[undone pumice]

what races r good except orc for horde

[lean burrow]

sin rogue?

[river river]

Man Doing Rhuzast is

cancerr

[spice hornet]

actually since EU is extremely meta slave its a good look into what's actually good

[undone pumice]

ye we have a lot of swedish people

and germans

[nimble jasper]

yeah shit’s still broken

i 100-0ed a dh after he trinket blurs first kidney of the game

5s into deathmark

nerfed btw

[raw summit]

love secret technique man

[nimble jasper]

nelf is so busted for it

[spice hornet]

it still does enough dam to 100-0 someone in duel

[nimble jasper]

meld gives you another window to giga garrote entire team

also amp poison double dips in deathmark which is why you can land 70-80k envenoms

during it

[brazen rock]

dont be teaching these assa rogues they can spread bleeds

ok?

or actually do it so they nerf assa 20% aura

[nimble jasper]

i mean i play mirrors

and rot them both

[zenith marlin]

why tf

[nimble jasper]

then kick their healer like a soccer ball

[zenith marlin]

do world pvp killing blows give 0 rewards

like why not 5 bloody token or 5 spark of life

why a stupid fkn elite give 750 xd

thats just pve

[lean burrow]

what's a good rogue guide?

icyveins?

[nimble jasper]

idk

i didnt read a guide

[graceful ginkgo]

but they do

they give 1 token, 1 spark

[zenith marlin]

thats dogshit

[graceful ginkgo]

idk, i am swimming in tokens

i bet most ppl are

and sparks takes 10 minutes if the correct pvp zone is active

[nimble jasper]

I mean

[undone pumice]

garrote into garrote combo @nimble jasper

[nimble jasper]

I read what deathmark did

my first game

then globaled the rsham i queued into

30 secs later

[lean burrow]

since I didn't level rogue yet I don't know

how does deathmark duplicate dots?

before or after application?

[nimble jasper]

duplicates any active

[undone pumice]

before

[nimble jasper]

garrote is 30-40% of my damage

some games

[lean burrow]

so it's used just like vendetta?

[brazen rock]

pressing dark iron into deathmark is pretty

ngl

[nimble jasper]

mah vendetta is only a dps increase

[nimble jasper]

yeah you bait it

[undone pumice]

friend found gameplay combo where he unironically does garrote into garrote and rupture into rupture, normal burst, deathmark and then exsanquinate

[brazen rock]

ive cranked some retards for 160k MSs after getting the full 1700 str from it

[nimble jasper]

exsang is bad at 3min

[brazen rock]

• badge i hit 12.5k str

[undone pumice]

before nerf

zamn

i wish horde could be did

[nimble jasper]

horde lol

[undone pumice]

born to zug forced to horde

[brazen rock]

ye id rather completely invalidate a 2min cd from rogue

tho i miss fem orc model so much

[nimble jasper]

cant dark iron

[undone pumice]

male orc

[nimble jasper]

if forced to trinket

the bomb go

[brazen rock]

tru

[undone pumice]

not the resonator ptsd

[brazen rock]

good thing 90% of rogues below 2300 dont know how to bait

[nimble jasper]

was just

thistle tea shiv bomb

in kidney

with psyfiend

[undone pumice]

thistle tea my hated

[kindred viper]

5/6 healer leaves, next game win 4/6 rating unchanged zzzz

[nimble jasper]

you know how great it is

to watch a dh panic run away at 30%

and die

to dots

[brazen rock]

bruh any time a DH dies its great

[nimble jasper]

shuffle as rog was better with a wizard

than any melee tho

get an sp or mage and game’s over in 1min

[undone pumice]

mich

u think sin arms good and viable for glad

[nimble jasper]

no

[undone pumice]

or too troll

[nimble jasper]

warr prob one of the only melee its bad with

there was an eu team that played sub ww to r1 in sl

[undone pumice]

dirty sprite yh

[nimble jasper]

psure that guy also played

sub enh tho

[undone pumice]

gga

[nimble jasper]

fury outlaw in legion was peak

[undone pumice]

outlaw/sub any better than sin wit arms?

[nimble jasper]

prob outlaw

but not a good comp

[vapid ruin]

yo peeps

what stats should i go for pvp arms

[undone pumice]

crit good

haste good

mastery subjective and build dependent

[thick reef]

Hey guys was curious how does fury warrior do against dh’s in 2v2’s was thinking of picking up fury to do arenas with

[undone pumice]

fine ig

[scarlet crown]

missed first week of trophies feelssadman

[nimble jasper]

should lose to dh

if he has hands

[undone pumice]

i think warr only wins if dh uses both evasion and darkness at the same time

even then its hard

[nimble jasper]

dh just gets eaten by ww

and rogues though

[latent arrow]

Is disarm worth picking up as a pvp talent vs dh?

[undone pumice]

ww eats every melee except rogue

[nimble jasper]

maybe not dks

if you know how to port you win

[nimble dirge]

no class tuning this week reset???

[nimble jasper]

spriest is fine chu mean

Kappa

[turbid ember]

Yep, reminds me of Overwatch

[undone pumice]

funny how like no1 complains about spriest but everyone says uhhh fuck fury uhh fuck dh

[nimble jasper]

cuz apes

palying shuffle

[undone pumice]

r/worldofpvp is such a funny place ngl

ppl saying evoker isnt good vs melee

[turbid ember]

I can't think of a place I'd avoid more than a wow subreddit

[undone pumice]

wow forums

[mild thunder]

Nope

They just backflip and remove it

[undone pumice]

never seen a dh do that

[turbid ember]

Both are bad, I'm going to the wow newsgroup/irc

[undone pumice]

must show how rarted they are

[nimble jasper]

its a bug

with the talent

[undone pumice]

solo shuffle quetimes have made me rich

[nimble jasper]

i had a 20min q

at 2.3 mmr

[scarlet crown]

so im kinda still confused about wpvp and honor gear... im wondering if drakebreaker weap > honor weap because the drakebraker scales to 408 instead of 411, but has higher base stats because of iLvl

oh wait, has higher default ilvl too i guess

[golden pike]

Can anyone suggest a good pvp guide for protection warrior? I really just enjoy prot on my war and play monk for dps. Never really got into pvp as prot but thought it might be fun in RBGs or something

I checked the icy vein guide in the pins but it seems to only talk about arena and not so much about RBGs or just general playstyle

[warm portal]

They haven't climbed above 1800 where the wizards are a lot more common

[lucid walrus]

rbgs you probably just sit mid, spin flags or play FC if a group takes you

[undone pumice]

XD

[lucid walrus]

that said, tanks in arena are detestable and prot is gutted for good reason

[undone pumice]

true

theres prob some twitch clips of troma tomfoolery on prot

[lucid walrus]

troma is a non-zero percentage of the reason why prot is nerfed i'm sure

[undone pumice]

ye but like troma is only guy i saw actively play pwarr

[eager mortar]

update guys I went from 1799 to

[undone pumice]

update solo shuffle sucks

[eager mortar]

it's okay guys, you can never give up, keep the spirit !

[nimble jasper]

i got to 2131

and stopped

meme zugzug bracket

lost one game so ended the prior match at 2070

[kindred viper]

stuck at 1500, every other game someone leaves or i'm queued with people with 0-700 rating

[nimble jasper]

odd

was 1880 cr and 2260 mmr

[lucid walrus]

awful bracket

[nimble jasper]

yeah i have 79 rounds played this season

people only really left early on

[coral axle]

this is insanely real, 1200-1900 is 3+ melee a game

[lucid walrus]

leaving is def more prevalent at lower cr since folks have less to lose

[coral axle]

2k+ has been 3 casters a game

[nimble jasper]

i played 2350

still all melee

[coral axle]

maybe its just 2100 then

but all I see is priests and locks

and DH

[nimble jasper]

i had 1 game like that

theres like 414 dhs 2.1 and above so maybe

next is like 200ish dks

then 150 warriors

[coral axle]

crazy how many DHs there are even after being nerfed weekly

just not enough

[crude bane]

update : swifty rerolling DH

[nimble jasper]

its just easy to play

[crude bane]

bro they just AOE pveing in solo shuffle

[nimble jasper]

then again fury isnt much better

[crude bane]

and think they legit good at pvp

the meme 2K4 solo stuck 1K4 3s

is real

[nimble jasper]

fury is pretty brainlet honeslty

[crude bane]

due to damp the best melee cleave ez win solo

healer hardly press heal button instead of trying to CC and LoS

[nimble jasper]

theres a reason dh then dk then warriors

[crude bane]

this solo shuffle is just a joke

leave it

[nimble jasper]

for most played

did people expect anything less

from randomized games

[crude bane]

they have to do the same soloq from AT

[coral axle]

AT?

[crude bane]

arena tournament

warmane whatever

the name is

[nimble jasper]

AT is a different era

[coral axle]

ah yeah I know warmane has had solo queue

[nimble jasper]

melee didnt have infinite mobility

etc

[coral axle]

never tried it tho

[nimble jasper]

warrior mobility is stupid compared to wotlk

and people still complain its not enough

then you have classes like monks and dhs

[crude bane]

1 range 1 melee 1 healer

3 k ppl

2 Min q

[full quiver]

Lol

Nerf arms

Op

[thick reef]

Should we be using the stamina + vers gems for pvP or the vers + haste?

[spice hornet]

Isn’t it almost the same? Wrath warrior has charge intercept and intervene

[nimble jasper]

cb charge in sl

[undone pumice]

that sl

[nimble jasper]

intervene isnt quite the same

as leap tbh

[crude bane]

yeah BUT warior is charge MS => 50 %

[lean burrow]

There's strength gems in work orders

[thick reef]

I fucking hate this stupid work order system

[brazen rock]

Mainstat/vers

Haste/vers

[vale ibex]

Hey guys, off topic a bit. I’m wanting to pick up a healer pretty much for first time in pvp, what do y’all recommend? I’ve pved Druid a lot in the past. Deciding between priest, mw, and Druid

[green wyvern]

druid

[vale ibex]

Reason being? Easy to get the flow in pvp?

[crude bane]

play evoker

broken

fun

new

[coral axle]

^

been maining pres so far

its very fun and feels very good

its also easy once u figure out how all their heals actually work

its a bit more complicated at first but then its very forgiving

[vale ibex]

Hmm

Thanks for the insight ima look into them

[gloomy river]

yo guys, why people leave at last round of solo shufle when lost last 5 rounds, they dont get those looses in count? or what is point, 10/12 games today somone left, 0 conquest earned

i just noticed in my scoreboard that noone of games where i won 5 times were not counted since somone left and i got only looses written when i stood till end, wtf is going on with this

[coral axle]

you are beta testing solo shuffle with us, they havent put in partial wins during leaver games yet

[brazen rock]

Rdruid or Prev

[nimble jasper]

this seems to be more prevalent at low mmr

[gloomy river]

ahh, so there is actualy 0 penalty when leave? u dont lose any points and u dont ruin score, thats so bad

[nimble jasper]

the person who leaves gets a penalty

[coral axle]

they lose ~150 CR, but no MMR

so they win their points back easier

[gloomy river]

and loses are not written right?

[coral axle]

that im not sure about, I dont think they are?

[nimble jasper]

who cares if your losses are recorded

not losing mmr is bigger tbh

[gloomy river]

i wasted 10 games today, i got 11-29 score, and in those games i had 4-5 wins when somone left

thats alot mmr/points wasted

not to mention i got 0 conquest

[nimble jasper]

10 rounds or games

[brave osprey]

leaver should lose 200cr and 350 mmr imo

fuck em

[gloomy river]

whole games

[nimble jasper]

seems more prevalent at low rating

[gloomy river]

i played solo shufle till morning, managed to get 400 conquest 😄

[nimble jasper]

I only saw people leave my first 2-3 games

[quasi lotus]

Low mmr thing when one person gets stomped usually

Normally the healer that's about to go 0-6

[nimble jasper]

^

yeah I didn't see anyone leave past 2.1 mmr

even if it was a stomp

bad healers get their egos bruised so easily

[brave osprey]

sometimes there a 800 in thoses games and he just leave pre r6

[quasi lotus]

It's only really shit for everyone else because of the queue times, 0 CR change and a little bit of honor is okay until they can make it update after each round (if they do)

[nimble jasper]

mmr in shuffle is bricked

was 2270 mmr and not even rival 2 yet

on cr

[quasi lotus]

They could be harsher on the leaver too tbh because you lose 150 cr but then your CR is like 400 lower than your MMR because how high MMR is

so you got 4-2/5-1 next game

and gain more than 150

[brazen rock]

i have been trapped in the eternal +5cr for 4-2 and -50cr for 2-4

all day as arms in solo

[thick reef]

they lose CR, but not MMR

so you can recoup your CR by playing in big boy MMR with higher lads

[mild thunder]

Shuffle leavers need to be timed out

One week solo shuffle bans, then one month etc

After 3 times, just ban them until the next season

[undone pumice]

next expansion

[lean burrow]

Anyone knows why 2handed sword doesn't have elite appearance?

Is it like duelist cloak - not done yet?

[thick reef]

Shuffle is wild I hit 2k then dropped 400 points lmao so bad

[spice hornet]

isnt it just a conq axe

or polearm

[brazen rock]

axe iirc

[nimble jasper]

lol i only went up

even when i only won 3/6

[brazen rock]

i went 3-3 in placements from an afk healer and my mmr has been fucked since

[nimble jasper]

i went 5-1

or 6-0

[brazen rock]

fury was straight to 2k in like 6 matches, arms im struggling lmao

[nimble jasper]

dont remember

[vestal quail]

Yea I hit 1900 on day 1 with fury in like 7 games. Queue times have been more painful since then. I also DC’d and lost 200cr which weirdly made it much easier for me to climb in the following games. I don’t want to encourage it but it feels like leaving resets it a bit if your stuck getting shit CR and allows you to push higher

[nimble jasper]

my queue times stayed consistent idk

[vestal quail]

I was getting 6 min queues as DPS on day 1

Not about 24 last time I played which was like the 23rd

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah day 1 is diff

[vestal quail]

Now*

[nimble jasper]

been 10-20

20 at 2.4 mmr

[vestal quail]

Ah nice yea I played to 2k mmr but didn’t get that high

[nimble jasper]

i was 2.2 mmr before i hit rival

[vestal quail]

Madness

[nimble jasper]

yeah win alot early on

[vestal quail]

I mean I hit rival day 1 in about 4 hours but I’m pretty sure my mmr wasn’t over high 1900s

[nimble jasper]

day 1 also different

[sharp meteor]

in a shuffle on my ele vs 2 warrs

and one of them disarmed me

[nimble jasper]

yeah

lmao

💀

melee players in shuff=ungabunga

i ran into two arms in shuffle

both used warbanner on their cds

💀

lmfao

[spice hornet]

what is arms supposed to do into a good MM? They now have multiple roots and the trap roots don't DR with other roots

[mild thunder]

cry

[nimble jasper]

idk die prob

[spice hornet]

wtb bloodrage

on arms

[nimble jasper]

got a friend who plays mm and he says

[thick reef]

consider the shotgun by your desk

[nimble jasper]

he loves stealing free cr off monks

and dhs

[mild thunder]

didnt bloodrage start as a prot ability? way back in classic

[thick reef]

fury & prot

Fury tree, but both took it

[wheat jay]

@steep inlet YOOOOOO

Saw your Reddit post

[mild thunder]

arms should get recklessness, bloodrage and ignore pain

[wheat jay]

Nice

[mild thunder]

just give us other specs abilities

thanks blizz

[steep inlet]

:) thx artji

210k views now

[wheat jay]

The one with answers from top dogs

[steep inlet]

haha yes

blizzard president and holinka

i'm happy

[wheat jay]

Hopefully theyll do something with it

[dark sparrow]

Link or didn’t happen

[steep inlet]

i added 2 new btw

[wheat jay]

Always nice to have more things to do

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/zvv3mn/a_call_to_azeroth_blizzard_president_and_holinka/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[steep inlet]

https://www.acalltoazeroth.com/home

[mild thunder]

that wolf helmet looks sick fr

[wheat jay]

Every type of content is a good content

[steep inlet]

yep

[wheat jay]

Whether its pvp, pve, open world

Even solo

The most memorable things are always the most random

Remember mage tower?

[steep inlet]

yep was cool

how do you find the 2 new ideas guys ?

will mail it to blizzard in few days

in january

for a more "official" way

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/70592-a-call-to-azeroth-suggestions-on-how-to-improve-war-mode-and-pvp/

[mild thunder]

champions armour is pretty badass

[steep inlet]

[thick reef]

They can suggest anything they want, till they fix the numbers imbalance in wpvp nothing will really better it

[mild thunder]

plus old zones are so wasted rn... some of the best zones in the game (or any mmo ever) are cata zones and mop zones

they seriously need to find a way to use them

[steep inlet]

just

[wheat jay]

Tbh Escort could be fun for the first few times

[steep inlet]

just imagine escorting a caravan in Southshore

and horde players embush u

in the woods

or alterac in the snow

the fucking feeling

[coral axle]

trading post baby!

they could add trading post quests to go back to old zones and do shit

[thick reef]

Reality: Imagine doing the wpvp event, you made a raid of 20, and a raid of 40 smashed into you and are now camping.

[mild thunder]

escorting caravan in stv

would be the best

[steep inlet]

nan ikusame, we will ask blizz to make it doable for 5 man group max

like in DF

:)

[coral axle]

yeah if they just stick random events around the world like that it would be sick

[wheat jay]

There could be plenty of events

[coral axle]

wheres my vash'jir world quests at

[wheat jay]

I remembered a funny thing I once did in legion

[dark sparrow]

So you make your own 40man?

[mild thunder]

40mans kinda lose me on the fun part tbh... feels like its just too chaotic and wild

[wheat jay]

We were camping some streamer, then he added people from lfg, so did we, we went from 3v3 to 10v10 to 40v40

Then we did war games on in Alterac Valley bg

[mild thunder]

5-10mans would be perfect for caravan

[wheat jay]

And we all met in the middle

And we started duking it out 1v1

In the middle

Everyone waiting their turn

Was pretty fun

One of my best memories in wow

[mild thunder]

tell me it was bajheera and i'll respect you

[wheat jay]

Im eu

[thick reef]

The point

Your head

Imbalances end any sort of long term wpvp. Once one faction dominates for too long the other ends up quiting out of it. Thats what happens with warmode. Every shard ends up being one faction thats known for dominating it and their numbers stay swelled

[wheat jay]

And id never camp god

[thick reef]

You act like that zone is anywhere near fixable

[nimble jasper]

factions a dead meme

[wheat jay]

Still, we were doing 40v40 at the bridge in valheim xD

[thick reef]

fuck that shithole

[nimble jasper]

since they made stupid concepts

[wheat jay]

Before we went to do wargames on AV

[nimble jasper]

like neutral races

and vulpera

[mild thunder]

he literally said that they would push for it to be 5capped

[wheat jay]

So something like a pvp brawler's guild would be funny

[steep inlet]

anyway

i did a escort event from strangle to lordaeron guys

[thick reef]

then its not warmode. Its just BG under a new name

[steep inlet]

it was FUCKING epic

900 viewers like

on twitch

https://youtu.be/iN2hnp4hKJw?t=4692

[wheat jay]

Troma my guy

[steep inlet]

look this moment

[wheat jay]

Old arenas

[nimble jasper]

sometimes i wonder

[mild thunder]

so are world quests that are 5capped right now not warmode?

[wheat jay]

Revived

[nimble jasper]

how much better a rep mop would have gotten

[wheat jay]

Like gurubashi arena etc

[nimble jasper]

if not for goofy kungfu panda ass

[steep inlet]

https://youtu.be/iN2hnp4hKJw?t=7228

look this Makgora too

duel

[thick reef]

Oh you mean parties.
The only world quests that work in that way are the FFA ones.

[nimble jasper]

would sign if we can kick vulpera out of the horde

[thick reef]

This suggestion is for a faction vs faction deal. Which 5 cap doesnt work with.

[nimble jasper]

[mild thunder]

5cap could still work

[thick reef]

only if its a FFA, otherwise 5 cap isnt really 5 cap.

FFA is multiple parties.
Faction v Faction is two groups with multiple parties.

[nimble jasper]

since we’re on faction stuff reminder

garrosh did nothing wrong

[mild thunder]

so limit factions to one party

each

or just 5 people separately

[thick reef]

Then its just arena/BG under a new name

Sicne you can only do that with instancing

[nimble jasper]

6 man bgs would have been ideal

10 is too much

[thick reef]

I agree smaller scale BG would be best.

[mild thunder]

even if it were instanced, that still wouldn't even make it necessarily bad

when was the last time we got a new bg? seething shore?

[nimble jasper]

that was turned off

[wheat jay]

Yes

[nimble jasper]

cuz its basically 3v3

but convoluted

[wheat jay]

The thing is

[thick reef]

It wouldn't. My point is that a new reward structure doesnt address the underlying issue of wPvP which is the cosntant faction/numbers imbalance

[wheat jay]

The success will depend on replayability and rewards

OR difficulty

[nimble jasper]

you know how@many people

dont understand how seething shore works

give wow players objectives based bgs and all they do

is deathmatch in middle

[thick reef]

I think people need to stop and ask WHY they want a system to encourage large scale wPvP fights. Are they the same people who never do epic BGs? Who bitched and moaned about ashran? Do they only want wPvP if its their side winning in it?

[mild thunder]

there needs to be an actual deathmatch bg

[mild thunder]

because its new pvp content

with new cool rewards

[wheat jay]

Deathmatch bg is amazing

[hoary stone]

My favorite was a royal rumble on a rezzer

[wheat jay]

Id love one

[sharp meteor]

Ashran was literally what people asked for; a perma av turtle.

[wheat jay]

Let me KILL and KILL

[mild thunder]

i dont think people even care what the pvp content is at this rate

[hoary stone]

Was easy to get sparks when you don't need to wait 2 minutes to rez each time

[mild thunder]

we just barely get any new stuff

[thick reef]

This has been a thing even people have been wanting for ages and when blizzard has made new PvP systems or wpvp systems they still complained.

[mild thunder]

so anything new would be good

[wheat jay]

Give me 3v3 wow battle royale on a big map

[mild thunder]

blizzard has never done wpvp on this scale

[wheat jay]

10 teams of 3s

Or more

Have stealth be max 10s

For every class

[thick reef]

On what scale? objective based wpvp events in the world? becasue they've done exactly that, many times.

[wheat jay]

Done

[hoary stone]

Imagine the queue times though!

[nimble jasper]

one day

[mild thunder]

with this level of complexity and world scale? not as far as i remember

[thick reef]

You know what happens when they have objective based pvp content in the world? If its daily people do it for half an hour and stop. If its persistent they ignore it

[nimble jasper]

they will force you to play melee ranged comps

[wheat jay]

Ever seen q times for ss?

[nimble jasper]

and not stupid meleecleaves

or harry potter cleaves

[hoary stone]

Whats SS?

[mild thunder]

schutzstaffel

[hoary stone]

I'm freshly back to the game from when cata

Oh

[thick reef]

The fact of the matter is people like the IDEA of wPvP content, but very few people when presented will do it for long. Due in large part to the large imbalance that always rears its head.

[hoary stone]

The longest I've waited i think has been 15 minutes

Maybe I got lucky, lol

[wheat jay]

45 min to play with prot pala healers

Scum of the earth

[hoary stone]

Yikes

Aha

[nimble jasper]

ban tanks

[mild thunder]

bank tanks from pvp - period

no arenas, no rbgs, no ss

if they wanna queue, they can only verse other tanks

[thick reef]

PvP is one place where I feel blizz should learn from FFXIV again. their PvP is largely shit, but their new 5 v 5 PvP maps are fantastic. Small, largely as death match, no mounts.

[wheat jay]

Dont ban tanks

[nimble jasper]

would also ban warlocks

[wheat jay]

Make them like dps

Easy

[nimble jasper]

win win

[mild thunder]

no, ban tanks

[wheat jay]

Make prot pala healing and utility that of a normal dps

[mild thunder]

dont give them another chance

[thick reef]

And the objectives facilitate group fights

[nimble jasper]

love when i almost die from 70%

in a triple dr axetoss

[mild thunder]

ban tanks, locks, mages and rogues

ty blizz

[fair tide]

tanks?

[nimble jasper]

spriest is better than mage

rn

[mild thunder]

if you disarm felguard, can they not use axe toss?

[nimble jasper]

funnily enough

yeah they just grimoire a diff one

[mild thunder]

cringe

was gonna go big brain against the next lock i see

[nimble jasper]

also felguard has an ms

cuz god forbid lock needed an ms

[thick reef]

They really need a pass at the talents again. Some classes got WAY more out of it than others.

[sharp meteor]

I love this mode.

[thick reef]

it was clearly not made with pvp in mind

[mild thunder]

they dont have enough utility... they need ms, portal, cookies, tp, spammable cc, aoe stuns, self-healing out the wazoo... :))

[mild thunder]

better comedy than most stand-up

[thick reef]

I always love when that sorta thing happens.
Evoker: "GO FOR THE RESTO, WHY ARE YOU FUCKS NOT GOING AFTER THE RESTO"
Me: "Go for the enhance?"
DK: "Yes"
enhance dies in the first 15 seconds

[nimble jasper]

idk

i just vibe

[sharp meteor]

Same.

[mild thunder]

i had an rsham on my team that was 0-5, kept claiming that whenever the dps were on his team they were intentionally playing like shit

[sharp meteor]

Got my chill beats on.

[nimble jasper]

while everyone in shuffle lobby calls each other bad

[mild thunder]

had to point out that it may be a him problem

so he left

[thick reef]

It does annoy me when my partner does the "Hey wanna go for that class that can kite real well mr warrior"
Me: " 😐 "

[mild thunder]

feral druid saying "let's kill mm"

[nimble jasper]

teammates call the ele bad

same lock i killed with the ele last round

heh

[mild thunder]

no, im not

[thick reef]

I'm not gonna say I'm that great, infact i'm fuck awful and will be the first to admit it.
But fuck, why do these people always want to go for targets that are harder to pin down.

[nimble jasper]

you go for whoever doenst have cds

[brazen rock]

target swapping? in shuffle?

lmao

[mild thunder]

because they're ✨ brainlets ✨

[nimble jasper]

anytime i q pug 2s and i get a healer

who asks

who you going

i know this guy isnt very good

[mild thunder]

im considering just tunneling healers until 2k in shuffle

[thick reef]

I generally assume there will be no target swapping.

[brazen rock]

it works cuz most healers panic and die lul

[nimble jasper]

esp when im on my rogue considering that class can 100-0 anyone

[brazen rock]

i also just crit a disc for 105k with spear of bastion

[nimble jasper]

who decides to mongo trinket

[brazen rock]

buddy got cranked

[mild thunder]

yea exactly, so many people just crumble when tunneled

[thick reef]

Or if thre is my partner will somehow perfectly synchronize so whenever I switch to my partners target, they'll switch to something else.

[nimble jasper]

idk sometimes i go dps

then tell healer is clearly boosted

and swap

[mild thunder]

shuffle as arms can be pretty yikers... ive yet to play a game that doesnt have dh, assa, lock, prevoker, spri

[brazen rock]

when druid tranqs in opener

[thick reef]

I always focus Paladins since they seem to just be universally be bad in shuff

Holy paladisn thati s

[brazen rock]

yah but its 10x more fun then fury

[thick reef]

I dont like targetting disc sicne they have so many resets

[mild thunder]

true

[brazen rock]

going 6-0 as arms

[nimble jasper]

i miss ww for this

[brazen rock]

is literally the most gigachad shit

[mild thunder]

shuffle is definitely a lot easier as ww

[nimble jasper]

ring knock tranq immune

fof parry incap roar

druid brain 404

[mild thunder]

im pre sure ring knock on tranq has been nerfed

didnt work for me the other day

[nimble jasper]

yaah idk

[mild thunder]

which is pretty stupid

[nimble jasper]

did that alot in sl

[mild thunder]

if they remove ring knock, it needs to be removable with shatter/MD

also

[thick reef]

I want to know why transqulity has no counter

[mild thunder]

make turtle removeable with shatter plz

[nimble jasper]

i once had an rdruid

trinket meld sck proc

meld on an aoe

[thick reef]

"Guess I'll restart the fight"

[nimble jasper]

v effective bro

it has one counter

bladeflurry goes through it

[mild thunder]

sck oneshots

[nimble jasper]

once i got doubl proc

[thick reef]

Anything without a counter or very ineffective counters, needs to be looked at. Turtle, tree, restealth

[nimble jasper]

sent 2nd one killed rogue througj his vanish

[mild thunder]

ngl im pretty happy to not be playing SEF tho

serenity has always been more fun

[thick reef]

the monks stupid green orb

[mild thunder]

you mean cocoon?

[nimble jasper]

also uhh

[mild thunder]

or chi spheres?

[nimble jasper]

i learned last week tranq with no other hots

[thick reef]

whatever the stupid green orb thing is where your covered in a giant green untouchale orb

[nimble jasper]

still causes you to die

to sin rogue full bleeds

with deathmark

[mild thunder]

ahh yes, assa rogue

ig thats the same with turtle tho

can still die to dots

[nimble jasper]

bladeflurry is still the best

lock sends his pet over to cleave off of

kill druid during his tranq

b/c of it

[mild thunder]

blade flurry and cheap shot going through parry/dodge need to be fixed

its just unfun to play against when it feels like there's no counter

[nimble jasper]

grapple wep

[mild thunder]

"oh, what's that? you FoF'd my kidney? lmao, cheap shot"

[nimble jasper]

goes through anything besides bop

[mild thunder]

yea i disarmed an arms' dbs the other day, didnt know you could do that before

poor guy was in shock

[nimble jasper]

i mean the best

was blades edge healer is on the ledge

ring him off while cranking his dps

panic mode

[mild thunder]

ww defs has some of the most fun
outplay potential in pvp

i set my ports downstairs in blades edge now

so i can tp down, melee drops to chase, then tp back up

[nimble jasper]

yeah i did too

you still died to any half decent rogue mage

though

[mild thunder]

havent seen much r/m lately

[nimble jasper]

cuz no more fire rn

[mild thunder]

its all assa/healer

i just hope it doesnt become frostmage meta

[nimble jasper]

i ran into two on my rogue

poor guy learned late

you cant trinket 30%

with full bleeds

[mild thunder]

i dont understand how assa and spri are dodging nerfs

[nimble jasper]

assa sp is better

than rm

tbh rn

[mild thunder]

they need to nerf that stupid bloody volley horror bs

[tranquil raven]

are any nerfs/buffs incoming which aren't active yet?

[mild thunder]

only the 10.0.5 stuff

so far

[thick reef]

Blizzards PvP balancing team arent good at their job and what few fixes they've done are very minor.

And they're not permitted to touch the talents.

[mild thunder]

idk about that... some stuff that was tuned was done pretty well

they jumped on top of dh and fury super quick

[tranquil raven]

where can i see these changes?

[mild thunder]

wowhead

[tranquil raven]

ty

[mild thunder]

and dk

[coral axle]

I mean, they've been balancing weekly right? they could do more changes each patch I guess but they are trying at least

[mild thunder]

prevoker i understand they probably want to be overtuned to encourage more playtesting

[thick reef]

They arent buffing underperformers and what they've done to over performing classes has been either none-existant (locks, shadow priests), or very minor (DH)

[nimble jasper]

its prob just average fotm rogue doesnt multibleed

[mild thunder]

arms has been buffed fairly consistently (although not properly)

[thick reef]

They've done more to middling classes than the one they actually need to look at.

[mild thunder]

idk, still kinda early in the season to be so doomerpilled

[coral axle]

yeah idk why they havent been buffing the worst specs

[thick reef]

Thats been from Pve buffs.

[mild thunder]

arms has gotten multiple pvp buffs

only one round of tuning was from pve

[brazen rock]

im legit excited for 10.0.5 rn

[thick reef]

I'm talking specifically the pvp specific patch notes.

[nimble jasper]

also considering theres less rogues than warriors above 2.1 in shuffle

makes me suspect fotm players

[mild thunder]

yea, arms has been buffed specifically in pvp

multiple times

[nimble jasper]

dont know how to handle being trained

[mild thunder]

the damage is honestly going to be pretty insane

[tranquil raven]

what does the 10.0.5 shaman change mean for arena? are you a "raid" in arena, or does the 100% tide buff count in arena?

[nimble jasper]

i would say assa sp is like

[mild thunder]

and one build will do everything - cleave, single-target, bleed, burst etc

[nimble jasper]

top 3 comps rn

but prob gets rolled by dhdk

that comp has always been rough for spriest tho

without another wizard

[mild thunder]

they probably dont want to buff some underperformers because they want to give people a break from versing them

like ret, fire etc

and ngl, some classes that arent played arent even weak, people just dont play them because they're not SS tier

[lean mason]

Whats consider weak atm? Or what people consider weak?

[coral axle]

survival feels like hardmode

destro

[brazen rock]

resto sham and survival

[mild thunder]

arms, ret, probably enh, fire mage, any healer that isnt prevoker or rdru, probably sv, bm, frost dk

some others ig

[brazen rock]

i swear on god

turbo with rdruid

arms feels 10/10

[mild thunder]

[brazen rock]

they go me enh just cranks somebody for a 150k ele blast eventually

[nimble jasper]

hpal is apparently bugged

[mild thunder]

i enjoyed arms kitty cleave, because they're forced to go the feral to try and push him into bear

which frees me up

[nimble jasper]

and your wog isnt benefitting from scaled up stats on pvp gear

[lean mason]

Hmm. Fire mage I sort of get? I mean I eat them like breakfast

[brazen rock]

yeah arms kitty feels good too

the 5% free crit from feral is gucc

[lean mason]

Idk about the others though

[mild thunder]

and feral cleaves super hard

[lean burrow]

hpal is bugged, doesn't have "preservation" spec

[nimble jasper]

best 2 comps rn are probably

dhdk

[lean burrow]

[nimble jasper]

and demo spriest

[mild thunder]

arms/spri is probably the best comp for arms tho

by a long shot

[nimble jasper]

spri is only like

38% of casters

queueing

totally fine

[mild thunder]

hardest part about spri/arms

is trying to convince them to play with you instead of anyone else

[nimble jasper]

spri is weird though idk i swear the skillcap to it is so high

[undone pumice]

what do we call arms sp, cuz arms sp sounds shit

[nimble jasper]

like really good spriests make magic happen

wps

[mild thunder]

getting carried cleave

[nimble jasper]

not s rn cuz shaman is kinda shit

[undone pumice]

doodoohead cleave

doodooplay

[nimble jasper]

hard part would be queueing arms sp

instead of just demo sp

or rpx

[undone pumice]

cuz spriests love having play at the end of the comp name

[mild thunder]

or assa/spri

or feral/spri

or literally anything else

[undone pumice]

woyer life, you love most but no1 loves you

[nimble jasper]

feral spriest is a tumor

surprised tril isnt playing dh for tourney practice

unless they gave up

[mild thunder]

i need to convince my disc healer to reroll shadow for 3s

[lean mason]

Man. I need to hire me a pocket healer

Y’all know anyone that’s available?

[undone pumice]

i need to convince my brothers to play at all

[mild thunder]

dude, i got pocket-healed in bgs from 60-70

holy, most fun ive ever had

made arms look SSS tier

[undone pumice]

i am best bandager ever

100g / bandage is all i ask

[mild thunder]

sorry, expel harm doesnt work on allies

[lean burrow]

Anyone tried to upgrade weapon to duelist?

[thick reef]

Everyone over performs when they have a pocket healer.

[lean mason]

Oh. Sadface

[lean burrow]

Does it unlock elite weapon xmog?

I got sword without transmog so I can't check

[mild thunder]

you buy the mogs from the vendor

for like

10 marks of honor

[lean burrow]

Ik

Idk if duelist-levelled weapon has the same transmog

[mild thunder]

probs not

i'll check last day of season when i finally push rating

[thick reef]

I want to know why the conquest weapons dont match the conquest gear

[lean burrow]

I thought vendor is just an easy way for transmog, and hard way is farming honor and upgrading weapon to 8/9

[mild thunder]

wouldnt it be 9/9?

since elite weapons are actually 2400 now