pvp

[torpid roost]

I'm aware

reiterating

[fresh frost]

Obv im not high cr..or else i woukdve lied about it im talking about at my cr and skill level

Its jokes

[torpid roost]

if you try to outmongo the mongo class

you will likely have some issues

if you wanna see really OP mongo though

find a good DH

they'll fuck you in the mouth and leave the fight with 100% hp

[fresh frost]

Obviously yeah..rogues and dhs are S tier

[torpid roost]

and warriors are b tier

viable

not good

[fresh frost]

At high tiers sure where people know what buttons they are pressing and how to counter…im happy learning at cr 1400…but jfc getting punched over and over again by warrs and them self healing thru my damage is silly

[torpid roost]

so you're getting stomped by fury warrior

what class are you playing

[fresh frost]

Ive gotten 2 classes to 1400…lock and feral druid

[torpid roost]

I don't know enough about feral to actually tell you what to do there

do you have a disarm?

[fresh frost]

No

[torpid roost]

Enraged Regeneration is their healing CD

2 minutes, makes BT heal 20%hp, and it (ER) heals 20% instantly

[fresh frost]

Just soothe which i use in the enraged but has 10s cd

[torpid roost]

you aren't gonna kill them in that window

is it still soothable?

shit I could shiv that off then, #themoreyouknow

[fresh frost]

It goes away on my frames when i use it so im guessing yea

[torpid roost]

well besides that they just have impending victory and bloodthirst, BT is like, negligible

even with the BT spam build

[wooden grove]

crushing blow build smacks hard but is paper

arms does it better

[onyx vale]

I could see someone bitching about warrior but didn't you say you play feral and cry about hamstring

[torpid roost]

CB is for pve, unfortunately

[onyx vale]

I know a secret tech available to druids to counter slows if you want

[torpid roost]

Don't tell him

Last thing we need is more powershifting ferals

[onyx vale]

arf, the secret is out in the open now

[ancient dirge]

wait has arms not gotten it's "big" buff yet?

[drowsy wasp]

How come every game my arms dps is way below dk and dh

[ancient dirge]

how many times did u hit execute

[drowsy wasp]

I see dk dh doing 30-40k dps

And I barely break 20k

[ancient dirge]

arms only good if your team can hit a target down to 30%

[torpid roost]

Actually been thinking about this, like a fatality build

[random fractal]

sometimes it alots of padding on demo or dk minions

ive seen dhs do like 70k dps because they pad on the minions lmfao

to be fair they also can do consistent damage because of how sticky they are and they never get focused because they're damn near impossible to kill

[stoic basin]

WW actually.does insane against Demo cause of thunderfist on the imps

[random fractal]

i havent played against alot of ww monks

and when i do i just roll them over because they all are garbage and dont port well lmfo

[stoic basin]

My buddy is like a WW fanatic so he still plays it

He's the dude that was 3k but I think he's only like 2.1 or 2.2 atm

And its funny seeing people not know what to do against a good WW since the rest of them swapped to DH kek

[sudden igloo]

stat threshold for arms? 20% crit rest haste?

[random fractal]

i played against a good ww monk at the start of df in a arena skirmish

i didnt know what they did and this guy was fucking going across the entire arena like every 5 seconds

he kited me so damn bad lul

[mild thunder]

not really... arms execute is super hit-or-miss... you're either wet noodling someone for 5k or fully 35-0ing

[stoic basin]

I went against a good WW and MW in 2s

MW was running the ox kick and the thunder brew knockback

[random fractal]

they're just so hard to catch

[stoic basin]

I couldn't hit anything lmao

TFW you have 2 charges and a leap and intervene and still don't feel mobile enough atm

[brazen rock]

because DH is hilariously overtuned in 2/3 games content 🙂

[spice hornet]

Fighting that comp as a warrior is pretty stupid

It’s very annoying if they’re good

2 grapple 2 rings FoF parry, ports, revival

[kind canopy]

what enchants for pvp?

[gentle horizon]

WE DO THAT TOO THO

sorry caps lol

but i mean in terms of 30-40k

[brazen rock]

you arent outputting that much damage as arms when focused.

or fury, ever

[gentle horizon]

im fury and i do that consistently

1700 in shuffle

maybe a lil less when focused

[brazen rock]

its shuffle lmao

[gentle horizon]

is there a damage cap in shuffle?

[sharp meteor]

havoc and unholy kind of prove that there isn't

[brazen rock]

UH will pump 70k dps some games

its absurd

[drowsy wasp]

Is it too late to reroll dh

[brazen rock]

nope

[sharp meteor]

my alt sham was 50 yesterday

he's 66 now and has 11k honor

alts are SUPER quick right now

[lucid walrus]

you've had since 2016 and will probably have until the end of time

[drowsy wasp]

i am waiting for the unisex DH

[lucid walrus]

huh?

[grand scaffold]

yo

Merry Christmas everybody

have a great day

[thick reef]

Thanks Ndogo to you too 🙂

[pearl prism]

You guys think arms might end up better than unholy DK after 10.0.5 changes?

[ancient dirge]

wait are we doing frozen writ or frozen devotion

am I pogging or cringing

[hoary estuary]

Idk bro I pipe on my warrior but I don’t do uhdk damage

[hoary stone]

should i get frozen or the sophic enchant for my 2hander?

im guessing STR beats out vers?

as fury

[wooden grove]

devotions are just better than writs

[shy geyser]

Is there a Haste percent we aim for then go amstery in 2v2/3v3?

[acoustic eagle]

This game is trash I'm honestly never playing it again

Until tomorrow

[mystic barn]

Warrior has never felt this good I love this class

[hoary stone]

solo shuffle i just did 7.7m damage and 2mill healing

most damage overall, and most healing other than healers

[mystic barn]

ya warrior op rn

[warped warren]

[mystic barn]

[wooden grove]

Lot of warriors running around but the leaderboards don’t seem to reflect that

Now give arms ignore pain back and Bada Bing Bada boom

[green wyvern]

warrior is dead

[mild thunder]

lmao its not an S tier class for once, its not dead

[stuck karma]

Why is rogue always s++

Do they pay extra per month?

[unkempt aspen]

quick pvp question, do u use defense stance in arenas same as arms playstyle for fury

[thick reef]

Cuz degen class

[half verge]

Does anyone have a good fury pvp build? I’m really new to warrior rn

Mainly play a caster so I’m kind of lost.

I’m going to be mainly playing with a disc priest if that matter

[green wyvern]

dont play warrior in 2s

and dont play warrior with disc

[spice hornet]

⚠️ WARNING ⚠️

DO NOT QUEUE 2S AS WARRIOR

[fickle forge]

⚠️ WARNING ⚠️

DO NOT QUEUE 2S AS WARRIOR

[lean burrow]

queue assasin/prevoker

get 3k

[mild thunder]

is there any known alternative for [@mouseover, exists] macros? i've noticed they dont work anymore

some weird thing with commas completely obliterating macros now

[lean burrow]

settings->combat->mouseover cast?

though they still attempt to target dead units, unlike [nodead] macros

[mild thunder]

dont want it for every cast, just some stuff like Tiger Palm

[lean burrow]

[@mouseover,harm,nodead] works for me flawlessly

[mild thunder]

yea that doesnt still use the ability on current target

wait

never mind, i was being a retord

[half verge]

damn war in 2s that bad

what about with a resto d or evoker heal

[lean burrow]

yeah sorry, you should add [] at the end

[@mouseover,harm,nodead][] mortal strike

[mild thunder]

what does that do?

[lean burrow]

default behavior

so it goes to your current target

[mild thunder]

oh right

i just added an extra line underneath to fix the same problem

[lean burrow]

macro checks conditions from left to right

the first [] bracket gets used

[mild thunder]

still mad there's no way to macro [@cursor] into pet moveto macros

[lean burrow]

it doesn't work with @cursor?

[mild thunder]

nope

[drowsy depot]

Rdruid/warr is so braindead man, I pve my way to almost 2k by just slamming my head on the keyboard. Fury warrior is so low iq class atm, healer needs to pull a lot of weight though

[mild thunder]

tried every which way, went to the man Bicmex himself and its apparently impossible

[drowsy depot]

Idk what the whole don't play warr in 2s thing is when I fight nothing but war/healer dh/healer in 2k+ mmr

[mild thunder]

when we say warrior, we mean arms

[lucid walrus]

status quo arms vs nerfed slaughterhouse fury sounds like such a snoozefest

[drowsy depot]

Arms is only viable atm coz rdruid and prevoker exist

[green wyvern]

just play fury in 3s

[lucid walrus]

you either run when the other guy walls or risk letting him top himself

[green wyvern]

arms is decent in solo suffer

cus you can one shot unsuspecting players

[drowsy depot]

I hope fury gets nerfed so hard that even arms is played in pve lol

[mild thunder]

??

why would you not just want arms to be buffed properly? they're both shit specs atm

wouldnt help if fury went from B tier to D tier

[green wyvern]

if they nerf fury warrior will be legit dead class

it already is dead if you have to lfg

[thick reef]

Is fury really that bad in pvp

[green wyvern]

it's decent

worse than dh/dk/rogue

[hoary stone]

I cant wait until DH gets the nerf bat

[thick reef]

I just miss chopping blocks of health off people with condemn arms like I was a lumberjack

[drowsy depot]

No fury dominates 2s lol

[hoary stone]

i dont know how they've flown under the radar this long

[mild thunder]

fury does not dominate 2s

anymore

[green wyvern]

fury is terrible in 2s

I swear some people that come here are so clueless

[thick reef]

class knowledge from 2-3 seasons ago go brrrrrr

[drowsy depot]

I find it very easy, very straight forward. Don't think it has much bad match ups

Just mash buttons, it's mainly on your healer

[mild thunder]

that doesnt make it good or not. that just means there's a low skill floor and low skill ceiling. overall, it's definitely not a top tier spec for pvp atm, and gets shat on by rogues, dh or any other class above it assuming equal skill

[green wyvern]

people win a couple matches at 16 hundred in 2s as fury

and think it's a top tier spec

[drowsy depot]

Still top 5 in 2s. Nothing but warrior dh rogue comps in higher mmr

I'm talking 2k+

[mild thunder]

[drowsy depot]

Sp/lock sp/rogue rogue/healer dh/healer and warrior/healer are crazy

[green wyvern]

theres 1 warrior in top 100 in 2s and he's arms

at least in eu

[drowsy depot]

Not talking top 0.3% dude

[mild thunder]

dude there's like

[drowsy depot]

That's exception to the rule and dumb to bring up

Talking top 3%

2.1k

[mild thunder]

less than half as many fury warriors as any other melee in 2s

above 2k

[green wyvern]

theres like 4 warriors in top 400

[thick reef]

As someone who avoids arenas like it's aids this is a fascinating conversation

[drowsy depot]

Yeah top 0.3% lol

Nice argument

[mild thunder]

i mean, when the top 0.3% typically play meta, and they're avoiding fury warriors, and there's less warriors in the top 0.3% than are typically there

yea, it's a decent argument

[lean burrow]

is it normal that wrecking throw with demolisher under enrage doesn't do anything to coccoon?

had uptime on monk and coccoon still persisted for full duration

every time

[lucid walrus]

i tend to delete cocoon like this with maybe 2 extra globals tops as arms

[mild thunder]

Can wrecking throw crit?

[torpid roost]

yep

[crisp hamlet]

Is it a good move to run both Warboots of Impunity and Helm of Vengeance in solo shuffle?

[green wyvern]

I'm not running the boots on my orc arms

doesn't give crit

[hasty egret]

Damn i feel that screenshot

[lean burrow]

avg wait time 6 min

then 12 min

then 15 min

me sitting 30 min que:

[hasty egret]

i got an inv... But someone just leaved the game bevor it started and now i am in queue again

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[lean burrow]

Diminish addon creator is tsundere

[late nacelle]

anyone know if the healing wep enchant can proc off our leech/deep wounds healing

and then heal ourselves with the proc?

was thinking of putting it on my 1 hander for shield swap

[crisp hamlet]

so far leech is working for me

[late nacelle]

yes leech works

but does it count as healing

for the healing wep enchant

[lucid walrus]

shield swap
i wish you the best

[late nacelle]

i mean

if u wanna live

u have to sometimes

turns out blocking every phys hit is kinda big dmg reduction

[lean burrow]

but it doesn't work in stuns?

[torpid roost]

Yeah but if you survive the stun it gives a healer a chance to catch up or fade their own CC

[lean burrow]

old fade is gone

[torpid roost]

not the ability fade

"Deal with"

[lean burrow]

oh

[late nacelle]

another solo shuffle leaver

rip 5-0

[torpid roost]

I might need to improve my shield macro

have to spam the damned thing to get shieldblock off

[lean burrow]

if I line psyfiend, would it swap targets?

I think I never got to test it

[green wyvern]

no

[lean burrow]

it just stops working?

[green wyvern]

yep

[knotty tangle]

if i take ally mercanary buff, do i get bonus honor like alliance?

[green wyvern]

yep

[knotty tangle]

insane

2bad ally only attacks in wg ..

[lean burrow]

ty

[weak swallow]

the fucking queue eyeball bout to sleep

[graceful ginkgo]

anyone got a WA for mindbender/psyfiend nameplate? i wanna play without the nameplates of most pets

[safe jewel]

Do people seem to have more success with the no-bleeds, big crits build (Execute/MS), or with the Skullsplitter build? I guess it's situational, in which case I'd ask, what makes one build better than the other?

In the appropriate situation that is

[undone pumice]

skullsplitter build shines if u can set up burst windows and have decent uptime, not a lotjust decent uptime, big hits is basically shadowlands arms where u work with a fuckton or zero uptime im guessing

disregard anything i say if a higher rated person says something else

[lean burrow]

me like big numbers

me zug zug mortal strike

nobody (4) is using skullsplitter on murlok

[wheat jay]

dh be like "man i must have improved a lot, im 1900 solo shuffle after all"

[lean burrow]

50k the hunt

seems balanced

dh doesn't need more nerfs

• blizzard

[sharp meteor]

ah yes the olde essence break into a 150k hit on 2+ people

its so weird to just passively do 30-45k dps

with immo aura and glaive throw

[wheat jay]

also

45min queue

for double prot pala as healers

[sharp meteor]

[wheat jay]

fucking imaigne

[lean burrow]

they exist?

[sharp meteor]

ya imma eat that leaver queue for a bit yep

[sharp meteor]

ya and they only queue into each other

so some male human paladin sits an hour queue to get 0-6'd by mortalx or stunandbung

[lean burrow]

by xxillidanxx

-tichondrius

[lean burrow]

don't dhs play momentum build now?

[wheat jay]

no idea

[lean burrow]

so weird

everyone is playing cancerous momentum

[safe jewel]

Nice app that I did not know existed, but that is just their default loadouts, no? I.e. what they logged out with. They could be swapping to SKS situationally

Almost no one using Dragon Roar even though I am pretty sure it's situationally good

[lean burrow]

thanks, I made this app

[stuck karma]

First solo queue ever, 5 casters and me.. What a fun time..

[torpid roost]

If I had the opportunity to set up against any comp I'd kill with most any warrior build

Killing is not our problem, living is

Lol ur cooldown only work against melee? Lmfao get good nerd

Consider DBTS a damage cooldown now

[gentle depot]

does unhinged proc off the avatar BS

[green wyvern]

Yes

[gentle depot]

[steep elbow]

for pvp fury 2s what stas should i stack

[undone pumice]

not crit and thats it

[quartz lichen]

How is horde eu pvp?

[safe jewel]

In what, BGs?

Horde's been getting stomped in DF for some reason. Been winning nearly every BG on Alliance

[brazen rock]

its just free dam, uptime is 8? seconds and rul rush cd is 10 seconds

[torpid roost]

All the pve nerds went horde, all the pvp nerds went ally

Those populations alone aren't significant

[brazen rock]

pve nerds went ally for dark iron.

[torpid roost]

But when the trickle down effect from streamers comes into play

Dark iron best in pve too? Fug

[brazen rock]

yup, bleed clear is big on 2 bosses in m+ and its the strongest 2min cd racial

[sharp meteor]

cos alli racials bis

everybody good or tryhard went alli

it's just 50 year olds on their male tauren left on horde

[thick reef]

dwarf should get the root break back :l

physical damage reduction is meh compared to primary stat

[sharp meteor]

boi dark iron slaps so hard coming out of a stun and fireblooding off a line of dots

wish this race had more than literally 4 customization options lmaooo

[mystic barn]

wish stuff like that wasn’t locked to race

[sharp meteor]

same my favorite races have shitpick tier perks

[thorny field]

do you guys struggle against rogue

[mystic barn]

no

[sharp meteor]

ya

bane of my existence

[thick reef]

i just want demon hunters to go away

[mystic barn]

I want demo and feral to go away

[thick reef]

yea demo is aids

[obsidian loom]

state of solo: unlimited cc, demonhunters, warlock zoo

i swear disarm isnt on a DR anymore

mw, rogue, ww im never not disarmed

[brazen rock]

give back ip and make condemn baseline for arms

[thick reef]

yall think the 1 min trinket would be any good in shuffle cause goes are not orgnaized

[brazen rock]

i want magic dam execute back

[gray nexus]

why warbreaker > blunt instruments?

[steep elbow]

can some one show me a good fury warrior pvp built

im useing

[left scarab]

[vapid rover]

its still a 30% wall with 1.5mn CD, and you can regen vs warlock with it. When you front face their pet to parry their atk and regen 10%hp/s

[brazen rock]

pins

[steep elbow]

pins ?

[brazen rock]

check pinned messages

[royal rose]

wtf, there's not a pvp illusion for 2100 this season? lame

[obsidian loom]

lol really? i think they'll add it later for sure

[royal rose]

Hopefully I get it even if I drop my 2100 rating

I'm sure I'll get it just for having the achiev... hopefully lol

[obsidian loom]

inflations not even getting started yet so i wouldnt worry

[lean burrow]

pet classes maybe

if two melee then blunt with sweeping strikes

[lean burrow]

chad SL build

[torpid roost]

That's true, LoS and eat their pet with the parry regen

[lean burrow]

annihilator = virgin DF build

||I play it rn ||

[steep elbow]

im newish and havent had my moring coffee please explian LOL

[lean burrow]

just use one of these

[brazen rock]

anything but arms is virgin DF

[lean burrow]

true

but I'll wait until 0.5

I can already imagine posts about arms being op

[brazen rock]

eh its already happening

fotm rogue/dh rerollers meet semi competent arms wars and get manhandled

run to reddit to cry

[sharp meteor]

arms with rdoodoo or prevoker seem dece

[safe jewel]

So long as Defensive is as nerfed in pvp as it is, seems Arms could hardly be OP with how poor its defensives are

At least feels that way to me

[brazen rock]

its actually pretty nuts and im having tons of fun with it

play rend into healer/dps comps

you win in rot by virtue of sharpen alone

[sharp meteor]

both probs nerfed in next few weeks tho

[lean burrow]

why rend

[sharp meteor]

hopefully they just buff other healers mmm

[brazen rock]

cuz its just free dam

and you dont have the burst to 100-0 people before damp unless you get giga lucky

in a long match, rend is my #4 damage

[lean burrow]

do you ever not cast anything?

if ms and op are on cd and rend is up

[brazen rock]

nope, every global is used. it feels amazing

[lean burrow]

do you use slam with rend?

[brazen rock]

pressing rend "feels" meh but when you check details after youd be surprised

naw

[lean burrow]

I'd be happy if I can just drop slam from spellbar and take rend instead

[brazen rock]

only double dps that i really found issue with is good rogue/mage

but if you survive opener its free

[lean burrow]

[brazen rock]

Oh and mm/feral is /afk

[gray nexus]

stack haste on bleed build?

[lean burrow]

feral is always /afk

[brazen rock]

dont play bleed build

[vapid rover]

why not ?

[lean burrow]

what are you, a rogue?

[gray nexus]

so crit is way to go?

[vapid rover]

personally i stack 20% haste at pvp ilvl, then i build crit, then i will see

[brazen rock]

12% haste, rest crit

[vapid rover]

why 12% ?

isnt better to build 20% for MS 5sec cd ?

[brazen rock]

12 + 10% from talent gets you 1 global extra in csmash

[gray nexus]

im at 22 crit and 6 haste lol

[vapid rover]

ohhh true !

i forget the +10% from cs

[stiff storm]

Anyone running raging blow builds for PVP anymore?

[vapid rover]

so if i had ~22% base line i should take the strengh buff talent from cs instead of haste ?

[brazen rock]

probably

if you had 22% sheet haste id say go buy crit honor gear.

[vapid rover]

okay, gonna try that

[lean burrow]

if we need 20% then why have 12% haste

[vapid rover]

because we took the talent of colossus smash that give +10% haste

[lean burrow]

yeah but it would be 22% haste

2% redundant haste?

[maiden crag]

Literally about 90% of the top 100 Arms warriors are running 20% base haste.

And not spec'ing rend.

[delicate bronze]

I dropped rend

[vapid rover]

but 90% of top 100 xwarrior whould be top 100 even with building rend

[brazen rock]

i specified rend for 2s against healer/dps

🙂

[vapid rover]

same

[maiden crag]

That doesn't validate choosing Rend.

[vapid rover]

and what validate to cancel rend ?

[brazen rock]

because top wars dont and hes a slave to leaderboards

the full haste arguement is that arms has tons of baseline crit anyways and haste is actually more damage in the long run

[delicate bronze]

Fuck full haste

Crit is the game

[maiden crag]

A slave to leaderboards? No, I just tend to weigh more heavily on the opinion of players who are playing for top MMR instead of discord opinions by players who I can't observe their gameplay. Most of them stream and talk about why they do/don't choose stats/talents.

[brazen rock]

🆗

[maiden crag]

Most of them stream. So when I watch a bunch of games and they talk about how rend isn't worth it, and then someone on here says it is, it doesn't make sense.

[brazen rock]

cool, i specified in 2s why and where it could be worth it and where i find it worth it

[vapid rover]

yeah but that is a reason why top player dont want to build it, and i would appreciate to know why over "they are top 100" ?

if you had the info, i appreciate to take it :p

[maiden crag]

The handful that have went over it say the global isn't worth it in the rotation, and it doesn't play into the burst enough to validate the talent selection over something else.

[vapid rover]

what they took instead ? they dig into unhinged and fatality ?

[maiden crag]

Bahjeera was the last one that mentioned it on stream, I think he still has his Arms talents up.

[vapid rover]

okay i go check

[delicate bronze]

I personally play unhinged

[vapid rover]

I play unhinged only vs low amount of melee target

70% the time i go for fatality build

and sometimes i took thunderclap build to spread rend

[maiden crag]

Yeah, most do over rend because it allows a double MS off GCD.

[vapid rover]

that clearly depend of the comp

play unhinged vs a dk is like bladestorm for no reason x)

same vs monk, hunt, warlock etc...

same problem in SL

its cool when everything proc on the good target and the burts is insane

when the MS just go on the wrong target you just feel mega dumb

[maiden crag]

Then go Blunt instruments, Warlord's Torment, Executioner's Precision setup instead?

[vapid rover]

Magnuz is taking rend and unhinged

[obsidian loom]

i just fall over as arms in solo shuffle

what do

[vapid rover]

🤔

but dont play skullspliter, but still go rend

[maiden crag]

You have to secure the kill before Die by the Sword ends or it's GG, lol

[obsidian loom]

truly engaging spec

[maiden crag]

Which means you have less than a minute.

[obsidian loom]

why are you nerds shilling arms then

wasted my 40min queue for this

[brazen rock]

rend actually does decent damage.

esp in long games.

[maiden crag]

It's better outside of solo shuffle for a tailored comp, but I don't think anyone in this chat is saying it's meta atm.

Fury is far better for solo shuffle imho. Just easier since you aren't solely reliant on other players doing the right thing for you to survive.

[zenith marlin]

is there anyone actually against 3 dps vs 3 dps in solo shuffle man tf

the whole mode is a shitshow anyway

[obsidian loom]

you think you do but you dont

[zenith marlin]

atleast make it work kekw

[obsidian loom]

imagine 3xDH

[zenith marlin]

imagine 3x Ret

swear its impossible to do pvp as dps xd

I'd be ok if they brought a warrior healing spec with Shouts tbf

just yell "Ignore Pain" at others

idk ress with "Walk it off"

will I level a whole 2nd account and multi box heal myself and run 2s??

just gotta double my click per min

running would be tough

need a healer that dont move xd

[spice hornet]

I would not enjoy 3 DPS vs 3 DPS as a warrior

[vapid rover]

all would not enjoy that

imagine 3dps vs 3 dps as hunt or ww x)

[zenith marlin]

If u dont enjoy 3 DPS vs 3 DPS as a warrior go roll a priest

its the most warrior thing ever

im so annoyed by u

[vapid rover]

k

someone know why magnuz dont pick up "Improved execute" ? 5sec CD on exec is rude under 35%, no ?

[maiden crag]

He fills the rest of the rotation with MS and OP burst.

[analog cloud]

As arms i use ms only with 2 Stacks overpower or when ms debuff is runs out or when CD is up ?

[zenith marlin]

i spam ms whenever its up

[undone pumice]

ms best button

[zenith marlin]

arms still gets folded in 2s vs fury tho

[vapid rover]

yeah i know how he can fill this CD, but spamming exec deal way more dps than doing OP and MS no ?

or the difference is too close to loose a point in this talent ?

[maiden crag]

I think the intent is using talents to set up the opponent to be within 35%, and then the rest is GG from there.

Probably not seeing enough drastic difference in damage with or without in that %HP window, so doesn't take it?

[vapid rover]

yeah maybe

i gonna try that

[analog cloud]

And when i want to burst i Stack op 2x + sharpen blade and Avatar?

[maiden crag]

I'm not seeing my executes under 35% do much more than MS. Maybe that's the logic behind it.

[maiden crag]

Sharpen blade is more for the debuff than the damage. I use it after my burst if I can still close a target.

[vapid rover]

i see he can take fueled by violence + stormwall, loosing this point make it taking both

[maiden crag]

Gives great sustained pressure for it's duration.

[vapid rover]

dont use sharpen as dmg cd use it to did into healer mana or for a kill

[analog cloud]

Sharpen blade should i use when i go for the kill?

[analog cloud]

So i can use to make pressure? But Not on CD? Need some brain?

I thought i can go full no brainer as warrior 😅

[maiden crag]

Use it to add pressure to close a target outside of primary burst for the most part.

[vapid rover]

exemple as bleed build, a rotation i did
cs => rend => skullspliter => MS+sharpen, that force hard CD def then i have my avatar still up

the pressure for 3 GDC is rude

[vapid rover]

no lol, especialy as arm spec

[analog cloud]

Uff Arms have so many builds

Tried ms build in BGS Hit hard 🤣

But dont know what i whould play with my rdruid mate

[maiden crag]

Really only three atm. Bleed, single target with Warlord's Torment/Blunt Instruments, and then sustained pressure with Blademaster's Torment/Unhinged.

[analog cloud]

Ok thx

[zenith marlin]

i rly dislike the arms talent tree ngl

[vapid rover]

Your build is choose by your comp/match up and what you like to play

[zenith marlin]

there is no focus u just slap em all

[vapid rover]

still better than the last one with a one way talent tree

[zenith marlin]

yall should see the Subtelty talent tree options

well obv

[brazen rock]

yeah dont look at rogue talents

you'll vomit

then compare to druid general tree and you'll probably keel over and die

[vapid rover]

let's see with the talent tree on 10.0.5

[zenith marlin]

they sorta fixed the armor thing tho I think

cuz I rly slap clothies and leathers these days

[vapid rover]

the armor things ?

[zenith marlin]

ye used to hit less to some clothies than I did to plates lmao

cuz mfs had weird armor buffs

[vapid rover]

this moment when you prefer focus a ret over a lock because they are more tanky

[undone pumice]

priests used to take like 20% reduced phys cause of stuff idk@zenith marlin

funny af when u execute a clothie and do less dmg than executing a warr

[zenith marlin]

avg blizz brain

[visual hedge]

Do you folks keep a separate set of weapons for disarm? I've been fearing / making space to just wait it out

[lucid walrus]

20% reduced everything

focused will was 15% a stack and i think one spec had it stack to 2. it would proc whenever they took any melee damage iirc

[undone pumice]

yeah uh wtf

[oblique spear]

Hello. Is arms the best for 3s now?

[thick reef]

no

[undone pumice]

arms good

[sharp meteor]

Potentially.

[jaunty niche]

have u guys experienced issue where your ranking was set to 0?

I was 1825 in solo and now I'm 0

[undone pumice]

did you change spec

solo is spec based rating

[brazen night]

Solo shuffle rating is per spec

Yeah

[sharp meteor]

each spec has its own rating

if you 1800 on fury then swap arms its back to 0 until you swap back to fury

[jaunty niche]

yea but now lost access to tmog...

[sharp meteor]

?

no

it's still there

[jaunty niche]

my collection does not show the 1800 tmog anymore

[sharp meteor]

if you get glad then drop to 1200 rating

you still have the mount

[jaunty niche]

nah it shows my soloq ranking at 18025 but I dont have the elite tmog

[sharp meteor]

ya i swapped and stuff and it's still there

[jaunty niche]

says Elite 0/9

wtf

[undone pumice]

18025 rating wow u must be good pls teach

[jaunty niche]

weird - I have the Rival title too, just no tmog anymore

[tribal wedge]

Thats just a bug imo

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor when your shuffle mmr

is 400 above cr

holy fuck this bracket is boosted

[soft zodiac]

Is icy veins builds still go to for arms?

[foggy hinge]

Merry Christmas fellow warrior enjoyers

[quaint snow]

Warrior masterrace, Merry Christmas

https://tenor.com/view/lifting-exercise-crossfit-santa-elf-gif-13095062

[fair tide]

Dh is ruining shuffles for me

why is this shit not nerfed yet?

[undone pumice]

cuz

[torpid roost]

because emo elf stronk

[onyx vale]

you guys are getting shuffles?

[full quiver]

i was getting 6-8 min queues at 2k mmr like 2 hours ago

[torpid roost]

It always estimates about 8-12 minutes

actual time before invite goes from 1 min to 30 min

[steel mantle]

is fury better than arms for 2s?

[zenith marlin]

can they fkn remove Empyrean Domain map

or make it less bright

my fkn eyes man

[undone pumice]

close ur eyes

[zenith marlin]

and just press mortal strike

[fair tide]

had two shuffles back to back w/ healers that ragequit

[zenith marlin]

healers are snowflakes

there isnt a single healer player who is good at the game dont @ me

[full quiver]

Lmao

[drowsy wasp]

Fury is unplayable until blizzard buff slaughterhouse back

[zenith marlin]

roll arms

we need less fury in the game so ppl stop complaining

[vapid rover]

respec in the real war spec, dont nerf your skill to 2 keybinds

[quick carbon]

[zenith marlin]

fkn loosing every game

at 1.5k cr

i dont give a damn tho

changing build or playstyle is weak behavior

[quick carbon]

wot r u losing to

[zenith marlin]

anything

i dont even fkn care anymore

[undone pumice]

real warrior

100% rage

0% think

[pallid girder]

Hi Guys, is there any subreddit or link to how to set up UI as Furry for PvP ? I cannot find omnibar profiles

[zenith marlin]

if warrior gameplay requires think

its not my problem

any button that doesnt deal damage has no place in my bars

[wooden grove]

What do you mean set up UI? Just put shit wherever you want it, put like 3 abilities and a swifty macro on your action bar bind them to whatever and gg

[pallid girder]

swifty macro ,

?

[wooden grove]

A macro with recklessness then avatar with racial and dps trinket if applicable

Well blood fury is really the only racial I would macro like that

Maybe the DI dwarf one

[pallid girder]

ty

[zenith marlin]

lmao fkn 12 games played 1 win

[wooden grove]

Sounds like a common denominator bug

[iron fractal]

The epic drakebreakers mantle that you get from world pvp quest, can that be upggraded to the 421? Or is that only for the blue you buy yourself?

[river walrus]

I did play 18 rounds of solo shuffle this week on my fury at 1.6k cr and won 16 of them

[zenith marlin]

sounds like class isnt zugzug enough

im doing 2s

[wooden grove]

Epic should be 421 in PvP

[iron fractal]

You get epic from world pvp quests that are 408 in pvp, like the blue ones. But they're 376 instead of 366 in normal.

[river walrus]

Yeah I don't understand the nerfs to slaughterhouse, the heal nerfs was fine but nerfing fury MS was kinda bull shit

[wooden grove]

Oh then yeah you gotta do strife upgrade

And you can

[iron fractal]

Oh nice, less blood tokens needed then.

[zenith marlin]

they could have nerfed it better

[river walrus]

There was no need for neff

[wooden grove]

Honestly it should’ve been 25% but refresh stacks

Small indie company tho

[zenith marlin]

bruh 40% healing reduc with 100% uptime as long as u hit isnt balanced

[wooden grove]

But 25% is

[zenith marlin]

its not 25% atm

its some bs weird linear scaling expiring crap

cant they just make rampage apply mortal strike straight from arms

real ez solution kekw

[river walrus]

You get rooted or lose 1 second of uptime now and you lose all the stacks lol

[zenith marlin]

you dont even need to get rooted

the stacks just expire

meanwhile fkn survival hunters keep 100% mortal wounds

[wooden grove]

That was my arguement, the post buff is fucked should’ve just been 25% and refresh stacks

[zenith marlin]

Mf our class cfeated mortal wounds

yeah i agree isov

[brazen rock]

remove MS from all classes but arms and marks.

[zenith marlin]

tru

[brazen rock]

remove spell reflect from fury

[zenith marlin]

blizz: Adds MS to DH

xd

[river walrus]

I love playing both arms and fury but now fury kinda lacking MS and arms lacking some defensive

[zenith marlin]

love how rogues have some sort of MS too

as well as their everything else

[river walrus]

Feral has a lot of MS too, right?

[zenith marlin]

not alot but ye

[iron fractal]

Does frozen devotion stack if you use it on both weapons? Like x2 the chance to happen?

[brazen rock]

feral gets 20% iirc

[river walrus]

And they apply it, run around the pillar while you bleed to death

[zenith marlin]

also gotta love how many "reduced dmg in pvp" Arms has

compared with other specs

[river walrus]

Arms has that?

[tribal wedge]

not a problem, arms damage are more than fine atm

[river walrus]

Arms damage is fine, problem is surviving

[brazen rock]

cuz arms ST revolves entirely around their execute and having that much damage below 35% in pvp isnt good

[zenith marlin]

ye last game it was vs DH and Resto

DH tunnel visioned my resto they played a weird sex game circling the map

[iron fractal]

Arms survival is crap though, you'll die to AoE without a pocket healer.

[zenith marlin]

I couldnt chase either

the DH chasing my Resto or the enemy Resto

[river walrus]

They took ignore pain and haven't reversed D stance nerfs from SL yet

[zenith marlin]

ever since they put Hamstring on GCD arms playstyle is shit

[brazen rock]

1/2 gcd overpower 1/2 gcd hamstring no gcd sweeping strikes pls

🙂

[torpid roost]

Just make it a passive slow on deep wounds at this point

[zenith marlin]

T^T yes

[brazen rock]

nah FUCK passive slows

remove them all

except frost mage and crippling poison

[torpid roost]

... "no"

[brazen rock]

yes.

[copper hare]

I would like that

[torpid roost]

If everyone else has one fuck you, I want one.

[copper hare]

I cba trying to spam harmstring any kind of rogue spec that hits me from 10 yards away

[brazen rock]

cool that was the argument for every fucking class having mortal strike

[river walrus]

Rogue is ridiculous, shit is full of cc

[spice hornet]

Yeah I get tired of apply hamstring

[brazen rock]

outlaw having 10yard range is kinda hilarious ngl

[spice hornet]

Lots of classes have it baked in or they can do it from range

[torpid roost]

When the game was much slower and technical - hamstring made sense

[spice hornet]

I’d kill for that talent, it’s so busted

[copper hare]

every rogue spec has it now

[torpid roost]

Now it's a spammy shitfest

[spice hornet]

It’s really good in M+ too

[brazen rock]

its only +3 yards no? outlaw gets its own range buff iirc

[torpid roost]

So either make everyone not a spammy shitfest, or, make me a good spammy shitfester

And yes it's +3 but that's a fucking huge range

[analog cloud]

how do i make shield block macro? this doesnt work for me #showtooltip Shield Block
/equip 16 Crimson Aspirant's Sword
/equip 17 Crimson Aspirant's Shield
/cast [equipped.Off Hand] Shield Block

[brazen rock]

yeah idk why rogues get that. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense both thematically and balance wise.

Now if arms got it

[torpid roost]

@analog cloud make an equipment set, use /equipset (name)

[analog cloud]

ah ok will tr

try

[torpid roost]

Otherwise you trigger the gear change gcd twice

THEN cast shield block

[hoary estuary]

where would that work

[torpid roost]

Which is ass

[hoary estuary]

open world?

[zenith marlin]

kekw one shot this rogue with unhinged

2x 100k mortal strike crit

LOL

[torpid roost]

The fuck, lol my unhinged crits usually top out around 70k

With colossus

And 424weap

Teach me to global nerds

[brazen rock]

badge avatar

dark iron if your feeling spicy.

iirc i hit 12.5k str with badge/dark iron up when dark iron clears 3 debuffs

[lucid walrus]

anywhere

[zenith marlin]

why do they even have

[hoary estuary]

In arena?

[zenith marlin]

other trinkets besides glad trinket

[torpid roost]

Ooo, haven't actually bothered switching to badge, that could do it

[zenith marlin]

sibce its fkn mandatory

[analog cloud]

it says items not rdy

#showtooltip Shield Block
/equipset Shieldblock
/cast Shield Block

[zenith marlin]

ur spells go to GCD when u change ur weapons

[torpid roost]

I've never gotten that error

[zenith marlin]

in combat that is

ah yes

resto shaman crit me 120k lightning bolt

[analog cloud]

so you can't make a shieldblock macro?

[spice hornet]

It’s not worth it

[teal nest]

so on icy v there are 3 builds for arms what build u recon is the best

[torpid roost]

Well don't ask me, I've been dead meat in every match-up

[orchid pecan]

Yo anyone's elite set not have that thundering effect that is on wowhead?

[lucid walrus]

link?

[orchid pecan]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/warrior-dragonflight-tier-set-appearance-preview-special-effects-on-mythic-and-329016

So the elite set and mythic set by default should have the thundering effect right

and you get the deep cuts achievement to get that effect on the other re colours

[brazen rock]

its been missing since launch

[lucid walrus]

yeah dunno

[brazen rock]

same thing happened with some other sets.

[lucid walrus]

they also bricked the glow on certain SL shoulders

maybe others

[orchid pecan]

yeah is weird, idk if they will add it in, or make people do the chieve for it

[wooden grove]

The PvP crafted boots kinda nice mog too

[drowsy wasp]

I’m confused, what’s gladiator pvp set?

[brazen rock]

purple is normal, red is elite.

[orchid pecan]

So the elite set and mythic set comes with a thundering effect

[drowsy wasp]

How come I don’t see normal purple set

[brazen rock]

yellow is normal, blue is heroic, white is mythic.

[orchid pecan]

but the war set aint got it

[drowsy wasp]

I only have the red elite set

[orchid pecan]

idk if blizz is going to add it in

[lucid walrus]

conquest vendor

[orchid pecan]

or what

[drowsy wasp]

So the purple set is actually harder to get because you have to buy all the conquest pieces

[orchid pecan]

Would be nice if they added in. looks sick

[onyx vale]

yes

it also looks better

[brazen rock]

purple > red

always

[onyx vale]

except for speed

[orchid pecan]

Does blizz even know the effect aint in the game

lmfao

[onyx vale]

red is fastest

I think you need 2k4 rating to unlock the effect

[brazen rock]

purple is sneaky tho

[orchid pecan]

i thought that was to unlock it on the other re colours :o

[onyx vale]

yes but we aren't rogues

talking about rogues

[brazen rock]

says you

i sneak up on kids with 150k ms crits

[onyx vale]

when you think " cheat death mechanic " in a mmo

do you think " unstoppable slow juggernaut who is impossible to kill "

or

[brazen rock]

i think warriors being so mad they cant die

[onyx vale]

" sneaky one shot high mobility supposed to be glass canon "

🤔

[wooden grove]

That sounds like a Furious warrior

🧐

[onyx vale]

honestly i think a cheat death on warrior would be bad design and infuriating to play against

[brazen rock]

give fury bsv 😤

[onyx vale]

BUT ITS WORSE ON FUCKING ROGUES

[wooden grove]

Could be like that necrolord stay alive thing

And then die 10 seconds later

[onyx vale]

Yeah that wouldn't be as aids to play against

ffs i hate rogues so much, their kit that makes no sens, their 50 defensive cds

AND THEIR RANGE

Why yes ofc the class with the smallest weapons in the game should have the biggest range

[lucid walrus]

cheat death and auto-proc defensives are bad design imo

[onyx vale]

remember paladin's auto bubble in legion

when blizzard finally accepted paladin was the brain dead class

everyone knew it was a terrible design and it was quickly removed, somehow they refuse to accept the same for rogue

[torpid roost]

Warriors should have a cheat death but it guarantees you will die... 15 seconds from now. Get to work, Slayer.

Then to make it extra fuck you, make it a dispellable enrage

[onyx vale]

cheat death should be for tanks only and its a terrible design to have in pvp, a fake cheat death like the necrolord "maybe"

[tribal wedge]

that shit was so boring :/

[stiff nexus]

Cheat deaths have no place in pvp imo. Not gonna find a good justification for it. Hunters feign death? Perfectly fine. They fool someone on that well played. Do nothing but smoked and get a 2nd try? Huh? Wish it was gone.

[gentle depot]

remember ret auto bubble kekw

[torpid roost]

Feign death related - anyone had the bug where you can't see their hp/bars after that?

[onyx vale]

my friend got it

[torpid roost]

Having it often and all 3 times I've made note of it it was with survival hunters

[zenith marlin]

like idk why they still force healers into pvp

or why dampening reduces healing done instead increase damage taken

[gentle depot]

because some specs are unplayable without healers around

[zenith marlin]

yes then fucking change those specs to not be wheelchair lmao

[torpid roost]

Arms, for example

lol

[zenith marlin]

literally not a problem in any other game

[gentle depot]

every single other mmo has trash pvp

so

[torpid roost]

not only do we require a healer, we require a healer on the other team for our abilities to be truly relevant

[zenith marlin]

and if they are so hard about keeping healers in pvp, why isnt there any blizz love for tanks

[undone pumice]

no

[torpid roost]

and yeah MMOs almost never have good PVP

[undone pumice]

keep rets crippled

fuck ets

[torpid roost]

Rets are omega giga burst and have a hard immunity, yet they're still kinda not good

[zenith marlin]

dampening sucks for fury

given our defensive is act self heal xd

[undone pumice]

rets dont do enough dmg

or self healing

if one is buffed they will b good again

[zenith marlin]

love how 50% lfg are arms warriors "lf healer"

they are like withered

heeelz

heeeeeeelz

i got 1 healer boy toy who queues with me whenever I ask

but he also a pve hero

[onyx vale]

rets do enough damage, they just have a single defensive that is easily countered

and every other mmo with more or less fun pvp has healers

[zenith marlin]

they got shield of vengeance and a melee 35% defensive

[mild thunder]

Bubble is somehow one of the worst defensives in the game

[zenith marlin]

and they can freedom out of anything

[onyx vale]

eso gw2 swtor all have healers in their pvp

[zenith marlin]

arms basically has a garbage bubble

and u one shot them as a warrior

[mild thunder]

???

How does arms have garbage bubble?

[onyx vale]

die by the sword is a 30% damage reduction (especially in a meta where everyone discovered their deep passion for spriest)

[coral axle]

did gw2 really have dedicated healers? I didnt play it much but it seemed like they were more loose support types with some heals than real healers

[onyx vale]

not much to parry

[zenith marlin]

gw2 does not have dedicated healers

everbody is dps

[mild thunder]

Yea, just seems weird to characterise dbs as “garbage bubble” when they’re not even remotely similar

[onyx vale]

not everybody is a dps, there are very cleared dedicated support focused on healing, like dragon revenant

that fucked the pvp meta for i don't know how long

[zenith marlin]

ur immune to frontal melee damage that can be parried

[onyx vale]

or sand necro

[mild thunder]

Also wouldn’t even say DBS is worse since it can’t just be dispelled, shattered and has almost 1/4 the CD

[zenith marlin]

retri is immune to 360 melee dmg

and all other

garbage bubble

[onyx vale]

ret also loses that cd when facing a dispell

[torpid roost]

when arena matches last sub-5m in almost all cases, though

[onyx vale]

and when 100% of games have a priest

[mild thunder]

I guess everything is just “garbage bubble” then?

[coral axle]

spriest meta is fucking lol for ret players for sure

feel bad for my wheelchair brothers

[torpid roost]

ENJOY YOUR AIDS

[mild thunder]

S3/4 of SL was hpriest meta, now we’re in spriest meta… rets can’t catch a break

[onyx vale]

perhaps we should break the priests' knees

[mild thunder]

Yes

[onyx vale]

there is nothing that disgusts me more than holy priests in pvp

the big ugly angel, seeing them fly like fucking dh

[stiff nexus]

I almost played priest this expansion as well. Rip.

[coral axle]

im fully prepared for both healer priests to get big ass buffs too

[onyx vale]

maybe its the wings

think about it

wings are what ruined pvp

[mild thunder]

Assa rogues in PvP
Outlaw rogues in PvP
Fire mages in PvP
Fury warriors in PvP

[onyx vale]

evoker, priest, dh

[mild thunder]

The list goes on

[onyx vale]

what do they have in common?

that's right, big ugly wings

[mild thunder]

Paladin has wings ☹️

[onyx vale]

all the specs that shouldn't be allowed to pvp

[coral axle]

evoker wings are ugly on a whole new level

[zenith marlin]

love how warriors burst their veins and get aneurysm just to match DHs slapping buttons in the direction of the enemy

[onyx vale]

hey

dh has more buttons to press than warrior

[zenith marlin]

wish we had more buttons

[onyx vale]

they are broken but I sure as hell would rather play dh than fury

[mild thunder]

Based

[coral axle]

yeah I think fury has everybody beat for braindead dps rotation

[zenith marlin]

would be fine if other ppl had my idea of pvp

stand still and hit each other until the weaker one dies

[mild thunder]

Devastation is pretty braindead

[stiff nexus]

Still more to do than fury.

[mild thunder]

Barely

[zenith marlin]

i mean arms plays like arcane rn so

[tribal wedge]

you can't beat the 2 button spec

[mild thunder]

You can definitely get into a 2 button rhythm as devastation

[coral axle]

at least with dev you line up procs and stuff

[onyx vale]

tbh all ranged disgust me

[zenith marlin]

fkn aligning stars until ur MS hits 150k crit

[onyx vale]

demonology and hunter used to be fun

but alas

[zenith marlin]

ranged are fine as long as they know their place

[stiff nexus]

I simply can’t stand still long enough to cast.

[mild thunder]

Tbf you don’t need a lot of buttons for a spec to be interesting… you just need more than 4

[zenith marlin]

ranged players are by default less skill

[mild thunder]

WW has a pretty minimalist dps rotation, but each button actually does more than one thing

[coral axle]

just dont then, ranged classes are all stupid mobile nowadays

i leveled a priest and was so confused about how everything was instant

[stiff nexus]

So true

[zenith marlin]

WW pops arms defensive every 20 secs with fists kekw

[onyx vale]

don't complain about ranged mobility

this happened once in the past

melees said that ranged had too much mobility, ranged said melees had too much mobility

[zenith marlin]

I remember how arms played in MoP

[onyx vale]

everyone lost everything and we got wod

[zenith marlin]

we got kited the same

[onyx vale]

except rogues

rogues got to keep their shit

fuck you rogues

[zenith marlin]

but we killed the min 6 secs

[stiff nexus]

With two charges, intervene and leap I am not complaining.

[mild thunder]

Mobility probably does need to be pruned a bit

[onyx vale]

STOP

[zenith marlin]

it should be a horror movie to play mage vs arms man

[onyx vale]

you don't know what you are doing

if blizzard sees you use the word pruning, its our specs they'll prune

[coral axle]

I just think that casters should have to hard cast

[onyx vale]

and it won't be just mobility

[mild thunder]

It’s a little absurd that my ww has 3 roles, serpent kick, double teleport, tiger’s lust and extra move speed

[coral axle]

I dont hate mobility itself

[mild thunder]

And keefers

[onyx vale]

they'll remove overpower, heroic strike, make slam a talent

[green wyvern]

hopefully they nerf sp after new years

[zenith marlin]

im good with 0 mobility as long as I hit double dmg everyone else does

[onyx vale]

and we will spend the next year spamming whirlwind

[zenith marlin]

dear blizz let me sacrifise everything that doesnt do dmg let me min max

give me 1 hp 0 movement speed

5 yd attack range

[onyx vale]

blizzard ban this man

[zenith marlin]

i will never loose in that 5 yds

[mild thunder]

Stuff like improved heroic leap and double time should just be on a choice node, instead of getting both. That’s what they did with Druid, with their improved sprint and wild charge

[zenith marlin]

my special 5 yards

[onyx vale]

good job

now they made double time a choice node

but with storm bolt

are you proud of what you did

der meaningful choice

[stiff nexus]

Sure. Still gonna zug at shit.

[mild thunder]

I can’t defend blizzards retarded choices, but I think most people would agree that mobility creep and cc creep have gotten a little out of hand

FUCKING DEMON HUNTERS

MONGO MELEE

[stiff nexus]

Cc creep is out of hand that I can get on.

[undone pumice]

mobility creep is kinda wild

[mild thunder]

Getting aoe fear, aoe stun, ranged stun, ranged blind

And slows now

[undone pumice]

they need to clip evoker's wings

[stiff nexus]

Doubt that’s happening anytime soon

[mild thunder]

Why does demon hunter have fucking rogue cc

[undone pumice]

mby smash dh kneecaps

[stiff nexus]

Leather?

[mild thunder]

While ww is still out here with one shitty stun on a 1min CD

[coral axle]

because they die easily and have poor damage? wait

[stiff nexus]

Rip leather.. thanks ww

[onyx vale]

And ring of piss and paralyse and root

Fucking monks

[mild thunder]

Ring does make up for a lot

[onyx vale]

You already stole all our spells

[torpid roost]

CC creep and mobility creep are pretty significant issues

[mild thunder]

God what a fun fucking ability

[undone pumice]

ring is so cancer ngl

[gaunt galleon]

Me big weapon heavy armor. No need stun to kill red bar

[mild thunder]

ROPing a warlock port in robodrome

[undone pumice]

me big weapon heavy armor. need big axe and sword weapons

[torpid roost]

I still think they'd be well served bifurcating pvp/pve mechanics entirely

[wheat jay]

The only problems currently are dmg and dps self sustain

[torpid roost]

Objectively false

[wheat jay]

Nerf healing of DPS classes

Nerf dmg of some classes

Done

[brazen rock]

^

[undone pumice]

nerf dps healing
nerf dmg
nerf healer healing
nerf mobility

[wheat jay]

Mobility is fine

Healer issue is evoker only

[torpid roost]

So then the heavy CC classes become the gods instead of mongo retards

[mild thunder]

What do you mean? There’s nothing wrong with my fury out healing hybrids and healers bt spamming 2 buttons. It’s our only dedicated defensive. You’re just a jealous noob that thinks I didn’t earn my 2k in solo shuffle

[undone pumice]

2k in solo is the new i was glad in mop

[wheat jay]

Its the new I was combatant in mop lmao

Oh

Didnt mean to answer to that one, sry

[onyx vale]

do remember that if you ask for a " cc pruning "

its not the 50 cc classes that will be affected

[wheat jay]

CC pruning wouldn't rly change much

[onyx vale]

rogue and mage will still have their infinite cc combo

[mild thunder]

When I ask for a cc pruning, I don’t mean for my class

[onyx vale]

its warrior that will have to pick between having a stun or a charge or a fear

[wheat jay]

If you want a real CC pruning, then add cooldown to all spammable forms of cc