so if they banked fury it does nothing
#pvp
copper hare
mini meta does nothing without essence break, there is a reason why they hit 100k blade dances, and that's essence break
finite shoal
sophic devotion + what as 2nd enchant as fury?
sharp meteor
ya but idk why kicking eye beam would stop that
copper hare
it's the same school of magic
sharp meteor
ya lockout on chaos but they still have a window
again eye beam is almost always covered with cc
stoic basin
Is there an updated PvP talent tree for Arms?
I noticed that th eone on WoWhead doesn't take Storm Bolt so I'm sus of it
mild thunder
check pins for icy veins guide
stoic basin
Thank you!
wheat crane
Arms really does fat fucking dmg lol
Cant decide if i like warbreaker or blunt dmg better tho
thick reef
is arms doing a lot better or is fury still the meta?
sharp meteor
they both seem decent-good
uneven turret
is arms doing a lot better or is fury still the meta?
from what ppl've said, arms is like glass cannon, big dam but fragile
spice hornet
arms takes too much damage
sharp meteor
if you can cuck cleves with parry then get cleave value it's good
near delta
We need a pin telling people not to go to wowhead anymore lol
sharp meteor
arms takes too much damage
ya arms too squishy
thick reef
Looking at leaderboard and solo shuffle arms is first page
sharp meteor
if people don't panic and overuse imo casters whizzle on arms
can't even dent demo/sp/prevoker
uneven turret
Looking at leaderboard and solo shuffle arms is first page
count how many DH are over 2400 vs War in solo
onyx vale
arms just got a bad case of pve buffs fucking its balance
be prepared for the 30% ms nerf in pvp to come back
and spend the rest of the expansion playing fury
thick reef
count how many DH are over 2400 vs War in solo
irrelevant to the topic?
near delta
can't even dent demo/sp/prevoker
Arms needs condemn death sentence charge for this kinda meta feels like
sharp meteor
nah mang needs durabilituy
spec is a target dummy
just live a bit and arms implodes
its like the most chill spec to queue into because it just dies lmao
onyx vale
warrior and rogue have changed place
arms has to mind its position 24/7 or get instant punished
rogue have
ah yes
50 defensive cds
near delta
They need those
grand marsh
9 seconds of stun
onyx vale
can't have high mobility high cc high burst without 50 defensive
near delta
If they keep nerfing survivability maybe arms ends up as fragile as everyone else 
onyx vale
onyx vale
yes, arms' damage has gone out of hand cuz dumb pve buffs
wheat crane
I did swap full crit tho
onyx vale
but " glass canon " isn't really the fantasy I envision when I think about warrior
lucid walrus
“warrior” is a broad label anyway
spice hornet
how do i even touch an arcane mage as arms fucking kek, class has multiple blinks, off-DR ice nova that frost used to only have, blast wave, and dragons breath, and ring of frost
wheat crane
Feels a little clunky with minimal haste but shits dead after like 2 ops and a buffed ms
spice hornet
oh and it casts while moving with ice floes
lucid walrus
how do i even touch an arcane mage as arms fucking kek, class has multiple blink...
still infuriating that you can’t stun mages ever
quick carbon
u must not of played before legion huh
near delta
how do i even touch an arcane mage as arms fucking kek, class has multiple blink...
You don't. You just chase after them in a Sisyphean struggle until you die.
onyx vale
the best part is that they seem to add blinks to mage every expansion
nowadays i'm not even sure even mage players know what they are doing
they just blink every second
brazen rock
on the flip side they all try to emulate venruki, xaryu, or mitch
near delta
I was playing against an arcane/sp in 2s the other day as ww. Healer didn't cross cc the mage and he used mass invisibility after I leg swept and I couldn't target the sp and lost my entire go lmao
brazen rock
idk who we emulate, muds a clown 
quick carbon
strive to be mag bro
lucid walrus
u must not of played before legion huh
nah ik blink’s always worked like that
thick reef
Emulate Asmaldbald, and slam your head into the desk when you lose a match
lucid walrus
hence “still”
sharp meteor
idk who we emulate, muds a clown <:keks:936231610850897992>
idk mag or smexxin
near delta
Does smexxin even stream these days?
sharp meteor
(bitch about everything that isn't warr)
quick carbon
nah ik blink’s always worked like that
mage would just get folded if it couldnt blink stun
sharp meteor
i thought he works for blizz now
lucid walrus
not wrong
shut barn
bold nymph
spice hornet
i havent seen another warrior in like 14 games past 2100 now in regular 3s
its just demos, spriests, dks, dhs
near delta
Ah no rogues? That's good
native sparrow
yo, in an arms build with unhinged, battlelord and sharpened blades (meaning no real focus on bleeds), would u put 1 spare talent point into rend or into the deep wounds heal?
wheat crane
yo, in an arms build with unhinged, battlelord and sharpened blades (meaning no ...
I put it in the parry heal
mild pier
Did they do something to healers this xpac? Seems like almost every healer can pump without ever really casting. Not sure how to approach killing them
mild pier
Yeah I think they cast maybe two spells but that's it
wooden grove
Evoker still has too much snare/root immunity
wheat crane
I think they only have like 3 non cd spells lol
pearl prism
Is mud playing arms at the moment?
wheat crane
The dps evokers even funnier
Its literally a 3 button dmg meter breakdiwn lol
I kinda like them being busted tho
brazen rock
hate it
wheat crane
Might make more ppl heal
brazen rock
class is beyond stupid
wheat crane
In general
wooden grove
Is mud playing arms at the moment?
spice hornet
is there a bug with invisibility or something? arcane mages are casting ring of frost without being revealed
pearl prism
Nice
wheat crane
I dk arcanes basically a caster sub rogue atm
spice hornet
lmao
wheat crane
Like 14 blinks 3 invis
drowsy wasp
whats the difference between arms bleed and no bleed builds?
wheat crane
One has bleeds one doesn't
drowsy wasp
i mean...
wheat crane
Jk
drowsy wasp
im just looking at Laros' builds
wheat crane
Im playing the non bleed
onyx vale
arms bleed got fucked cuz of skullsplitter
drowsy wasp
and he has a bleed build no skullsplitter
onyx vale
so just press mortal strike
wheat crane
I might try bleed again tho when they buff skullsplitter
onyx vale
and after you press mortal strike
you press mortal strike
and when you run out of ms you press overpower to press ms again
wheat crane
It really is so good
drowsy wasp
ok
short glacier
You never saw this coming
wheat crane
Battlelord op
short glacier
Press mortal strike
nimble cypress
I don't know if us meta is different but on eu warriors seems very rare past 2000 in 3s
spice hornet
no thats how it is here
wheat crane
Were too busy giving out life and fitness advice to the heathens in shuffle
They need us
lucid walrus
too caught up with answering “guys how get tier” and “warrior arms or the fury is better”
nimble cypress
Might be good for shuffle but in 3s I just spend half of the game kiting and running. Dunno, damage buffs seem ok, but you just can't really get the DMG off
spice hornet
nimble cypress
Could post something very similar 😅
wooden grove
Meanwhile DH and DK discords be like “oh em gee woyer is like so good”
spice hornet
"fury is fucking op nerf it"
thick reef
I know we got the honor gear items to purchase, but what is purchase order for conquest? save for weaps then what?
wooden grove
I know we got the honor gear items to purchase, but what is purchase order for c...
Whatever the fuck you want
If you’re asking it doesn’t matter
spice hornet
Meanwhile DH and DK discords be like “oh em gee woyer is like so good”
i swear people say this because they got traumatized by slands fury with 40% ms and raging blow charge
nimble cypress
Facing dh and DK also seems pretty rough once they start really cc'ing you on warbreaker
wooden grove
Frost DK is kinda rough in general unless you take disarm then it’s ezpz
Just so much control
drowsy wasp
So if you are fighting caster cleave, do you take warbringer or duel?
wooden grove
Sim yourself
glass lance
wooden grove
wooden grove
Naw
spice hornet
i swear there is an invis bug where this arcane mage costs RoF and it doesnt break his invis and it makes the ring invisible
has anyone else ran into this
drowsy wasp
Blizzard need to sell a solo shuffle fast pass
Like one fast pass per day
So you can actually play the game
short glacier
I’d pay $1 to skip the queue
warm pollen
whats the most important piece to buy with trophy of strife if i already have 2 weaps and crafted head* ? ( for my dh alt lol)
outer hornet
is frozen devotion worth the 30k gold?
outer hornet
its hard out here
outer hornet
you seem like a cool guy
thick reef
Damn right I am
lean mason
He has a black mage profile. He’s preety cool in my book
outer hornet
his name is ball sack
winter swan
are ferals killable in solo shuffle? they seem to top dmg every round and never die
ancient dirge
What will blizzard do to get more healers in the queue 🤔
lucid walrus
right click nodes
warm pollen
im broke af, i didnt had money to repair earlier lol
short glacier
I just sell all my ore on the AH and I get Uber gold
lucid walrus
it really is that easy
warm pollen
I just sell all my ore on the AH and I get Uber gold
😮
short glacier
You get ore plus the elemental things
warm pollen
i've never used proffessions before
brazen rock
really?
titan touched nodes
are bank
everything else is just fuel to recharge overload
lucid walrus
shame the overload portals are bugged
brazen rock
i easily make 8k per overloaded titan node
brazen rock
30/30 surveying
lucid walrus
ahh
brazen rock
then elemental mining
lucid walrus
think i went mining process at first or some stupid shit. didn’t even get close to maxing it fortunately
short glacier
Can you reset ur points ?
lucid walrus
nah
short glacier
Drop n retry I guess haha
lucid walrus
unless you wanna drop it & pick it back up but that’s wasted yeah :/
losing more potential ore in the process of releveling than you’d ever regain by restatting
turbid ember
Is Annihilator a 1h build?
covert abyss
dusk cargo
Smf really need a huge buff to be remotely worth
bright stream
how are people feeling about duplicate classes in SS?
double dh was .... an unpleasant time
thick reef
double any op class is unpleasent 😛
gentle horizon
fair tide
what spec?
gentle horizon
what spec?
fury
slim knoll
Guys think warriors are bottom tier melee as of now?
lean burrow
isn't bottom tier ret/enh?
slim knoll
I guess I need help staying alive as arms
turbid ember
You just get to blame your healers
thick reef
I guess I need help staying alive as arms
Your first fuck up was playing arms
slim knoll
Without the ms I'd rather just have assa rogues
thick reef
Slaughterhouse is still fine
iron fractal
Do I want to sim the best weapon enchants or is there a primary for pvp?
thick reef
Otherwise just take something that hard counters (Disarm being the key one)
thick reef
Do I want to sim the best weapon enchants or is there a primary for pvp?
Probably Frozen, but I'm also professionally retarded
iron fractal
The Sim says frozen.
Just suprised that would be better than the haste/ main stat ones.
thick reef
Frozen is indeed the single target enchant
weak swallow
just seen someone reach 100k dmg on frozen
are wep enchants that strong
cuz i dont have any 
i should probably invest once i get the gold
mild thunder
isn't bottom tier ret/enh?
Enh is underrated for sure
pearl prism
If going arms, it’s better to buy the conq wep instead of World pvp wep right? Because you can’t upgrade the w pvp wep?
weak swallow
upgrades dont matter anyways
pvp stat will always be highest it can for the respective gear
lean mason
How’s w pvp atm anyway?
weak swallow
aids
lean mason
Sounds about right
weak swallow
find a party for the sparks quest
nearly impossible to complete alone LUL
unless you're ready to grind for a long time
main urchin
Wanted to try it after buffs
I found Arms way better in rbgs myself.
craggy socket
slim knoll
still dies easy but ms is way better than fury's nerfed trash
main urchin
I need to play around with it more, I could just be awful at Fury which isn't a joke... I've played arms since Vanilla. lol.. This fury thing is interesting.
brazen rock
yes
main urchin
But I was RBGing fury and changed to Arms and it was better for me.
pearl prism
I don’t care about arenas. Just pussy
wanton siren
just seen someone reach 100k dmg on frozen
100k in one proc or what?
lean mason
Fury changes is the reason why I’m not a WW monk anymore
Been preety fun here and there. But god bless I miss having mobility
weak swallow
100k in one proc or what?
ngl i didnt pay attention but i hovered someones total dmg and frozen was in the 6 highest dmg
at 6
warm pollen
i can get 8 trophys of strife weeklky? or more?
soft zodiac
Are there tier pieces on top of the 2 Infurious pieces we craft?
brazen rock
i can get 8 trophys of strife weeklky? or more?
weekly.
royal rose
So do you just not lose rating if you leave a solo shuffle? The amount of people that leave is crazy
sage raptor
yall are wrong
thorn herald
how much haste do you have in full honor gear
if its all haste gear
i went with crit so idk what the % ends up being
gritty moth
Any guides on what conquest gear I should buy first and upgrade?
thorn herald
arms dmg feel inconsistent
thats because the only buttons that do damage are mortal strike and execute and one of those is conditional. itll get better in .5
but its pretty good
AM lowering csmash cd is pretty gravy too
still need to know about that haste % tho
spice hornet
arms dam is good it just dies too easily still
it has nothing to stop that
also sucks into wizards
half cloak
should I go for conq wep or spread the conq between other pieces
thorn herald
it has nothing to stop that
Put dbts on anger management
lucid walrus
Put dbts on anger management
imagine this is the fix they go with, if any
we’d be running ragedump ww/slam builds all day
delicate bronze
Best healer for warr in 2s?
soft zodiac
How do you guys deal with preservation in 2s?
drowsy wasp
thats because the only buttons that do damage are mortal strike and execute and ...
Why get better in .5
brazen rock
Best healer for warr in 2s?
prev or rdruid
pearl prism
How do you guys deal with preservation in 2s?
Wait for dampening
thorn herald
Why get better in .5
battlelord reset getting a buff
drowsy wasp
Let me read patch note again
queen peak
is frozen devo still the go-to enchant
brazen rock
battlelord reset chance going to 35% from 25.
flat tide
Is there an addon or way to show when a spell is being casted on you? I have trouble in arenas tracking the enemies targeting
uneven turret
whats the difference between Sophic writ and Sophic deoviton, is it just more stats?
drowsy wasp
Aems use sophia writ?
uneven turret
so does fury
drowsy wasp
But 10.0.5 still doesn’t address arms’ survivability issue though
grand scaffold
But 10.0.5 still doesn’t address arms’ survivability issue though
well
assa is a glass cannon
but thats also in really high tiers
bronze light
gotcha
cheers
was abit unsure about the haste part
but i gues swe need for rage gen
lean burrow
Is there an addon or way to show when a spell is being casted on you? I have tro...
no, nothing can tell who is the target of casting
grand scaffold
also gcd time
lean burrow
they can target you but mouseover your healer to cast
burnt pollen
what pvp weapons for fury? 2 swords? 2 polearms? or one of each?
brazen rock
polearms.
thorn estuary
Is there an addon or way to show when a spell is being casted on you? I have tro...
I think you could use "tell me when" to track that
lean burrow
blizz still didn't make duelist rewards?
spice hornet
thought i saw a clip of it
indigo barn
Gonna be red lightning on crack
vale ibex
ywa
vale ibex
roll face on keyboard harder
grand scaffold
lmao just hit a 143k colossus smash
grand scaffold
are u guys running annihilator
yeah
too good to not have
even tho makes the rotation a bit more boring
gentle horizon
can u stay qued for solo shuffle while alt tabed out of wow?
near delta
You're saying raw damage doesn't make up for being made out of tissue paper?
near delta
can u stay qued for solo shuffle while alt tabed out of wow?
Yup
grand scaffold
arms is not back
unfortunate
-_-
yo mud
would you say fury is quite balanced or still too op
grand scaffold
seriously?
elfin surge
arms D tier
grand scaffold
like full seriousness?
elfin surge
yea warrior is trash rn
elfin surge
itll keep getting nerfed
grand scaffold
why
elfin surge
cuz people are stupid and complain
near delta
Yeah blizz isn't that smart
rare ibex
Does anyone have a macro that lets you switch between two different talents depending on what you have learned? For example, I switch out Disarm for Bloodrage depending on the comp matchup. Ideally I'd like to not have to switch hotkeys.
spark grotto
both warrior specs just feel so bad t play rn
grand scaffold
both warrior specs just feel so bad t play rn
how
high sparrow
warriors good at stomping shitters which is why it always gets nerfed so fast
near delta
Does anyone have a macro that lets you switch between two different talents depe...
Can't do that for pvp talents unfortunately
Could try just making a macro with both and add a #showtooltip. Might work
spark grotto
there's nothing we seem to have to compete with damage outputs of like rogues hunters s priest evoker feral etc defensives seem to do nothing in the face of these either
rare ibex
Can't do something like:
#showtooltip
/cast disarm
/cast bloodrage
? for me it didn't really work
near delta
What did it do?
rare ibex
Didn't show any tooltip
It worked though, I guess
But no tooltip makes it kinda pointless since you cant track cds
near delta
Best best is to just make two separate binds
Depending on what you're playing into you'd really want both. Like an mm for example
rare ibex
But then I have to swap them into the hotkey each round, kinda annoying.
True there is that scenario
sharp meteor
Can't do something like:
#showtooltip
/cast disarm
/cast bloodrage
? for me it...
Never write a macro like this.
rare ibex
Sounds good, how do I write it? 🙂
near delta
But then I have to swap them into the hotkey each round, kinda annoying.
I'm saying have 2 different buttons
onyx vale
fury will keep getting nerfed cuz lowbobs will keep focusing the fury under enraged regen without ccing him and scream " oh my god fury so broken "
and some of the people who will cry will be warriors themselves, that's the best part
thorn bluff
I'm sure this question has been asked a lot, but can you actually make a somehow viable prot PvP build?
mild thunder
is T-roar nerfed in pvp??
thorn bluff
I think it is
mild thunder
I'm sure this question has been asked a lot, but can you actually make a somehow...
not really anymore... there was a build that Troma popularised, but it got nerfed into the dirt
mild thunder
fury will keep getting nerfed cuz lowbobs will keep focusing the fury under enra...
fury D tier? its a christmas miracle 🎄
mild thunder
Does anyone have a macro that lets you switch between two different talents depe...
you can use the same known macros that you use for normal talents
i use
#showtooltip
/cast [known:duel] duel; [known:disarm] disarm
lean burrow
sometimes i feel like i do legit n odmg
that's fury warrior 
despite people crying that it's op
rare ibex
i use
#showtooltip
/cast [known:duel] duel; [known:disarm] disarm
cheers!
spark grotto
man are we just fucked, full burst opener and i can barely touch 60k
sustaining like 30k if im lucky
out here getting shadowstepped for 200k n shit
spice hornet
shadowpriest damage is actualy so stupid
mild thunder
despite people crying that it's op
Fury sustain damage feels like ass
mild thunder
Arms feels amazing
spark grotto
my 2s partner just thinks im bitching and moaning but like nah we're so fucked
rare ibex
mild thunder
I mean, arms is definitely viable in 2s/3s
But yea kinda aids that we have to work 10x harder than almost any other spec
rare ibex
Arms feels like scuffed Assassination
mild thunder
I can definitely see arms being super strong in rbgs
Well, maybe not super strong
But strong
grand scaffold
what are people fury is so good for
pearl prism
Dunno about that
grand scaffold
seems worse than arms in terms of pressure
pearl prism
4 casters can delete an arms
grand scaffold
arms can atleast 3 shot somebody
mild thunder
You’ll always want a melee to pair with your dk
spice hornet
2400 mmr shuffle dead last in dams, spriest banging 50k dp ticks, 100k mind games crit not even exaggerating
mild thunder
And out of ww, arms, fury and 1-2 other options, arms seems best
Ig maybe feral will become rbg melee meta? Their aoe damage is beyond retarded
spice hornet
warrior just feels really bad, arms takes too much damage, really bad into wizards like demo/spri, fury MS is bad so no 2s, fury nerfed many times. i just dont see any reason to bring one over an assa or ww atm
onyx vale
its funny i had a discussion in this very channel not so long ago with people trying to convince me fury was a " high sustained dps " spec
spice hornet
or dh rather, for furys case
mild thunder
Ww is still just as paper as arms though, and they don’t have sharpen or as much group utility with intervene and rally
spice hornet
its funny i had a discussion in this very channel not so long ago with people tr...
dh is outclassing fury in every way right now
onyx vale
always was
mild thunder
dh is outclassing fury in every way right now
Somehow it’s outclassing fury in having more buttons
icy bridge
its been strong and still is xD
onyx vale
dh also has more buttons than arms
onyx vale
mild thunder
Still tempted to lvl that dh
It’s not cringe if I play it after the nerfs, right? Right??
onyx vale
that's like saying to a girl you don't look that good compared to Shakira
everything looks trash compared to sub and sin
icy bridge
even if its not sub and sin, it still lacks
icy bridge
prob till set bonus come then it'll bounce up
mild thunder
It’s lost almost nothing from SL and gained a fair bit
icy bridge
It lost its defensive power
grand scaffold
compare to Sub and Sin
sub is like baseline unplayable atm,
mild thunder
????????
icy bridge
Enduring Brawler no longer gives Stamina per stack
Elusiveness doesnt give 30% DR, only 20%
mild thunder
Because the stamina got turned into a base talent lmao
And elusiveness still gives 20% from memory
mild thunder
They’re still gonna be tankier than almost any other melee
icy bridge
rotation does cost a lot more energy
mild thunder
With crazy cc, decent damage and potentially more burst
icy bridge
since Outlaw doesnt have the -17 energy reduction for Feint
mild thunder
Their rotation costs the same energy? If anything, there’s more ways to customise and create either a more burst-oriented rotation or more efficient one now
mild thunder
Feint has like a 15 sec CD, it’s not making your PvP rotation feel that much more energy inefficient
icy bridge
Feint in SL was in 10s and Sinister Strike costs 45
vs DF 20s/30s + Ambush 50s
the only energy efficiency we have atm is from Fan the Hammer Pistol Shots
mild thunder
And now they can reduce the cost of dispatch, get more energy if needed or play with opportunity or whatever it’s called
Either way, if the other rogue specs end up getting nerfed, outlaw is far from being bad
icy bridge
you can pick Dispatcher but your not gonna get much value from it lol
One CC is enough to slow everything down
mild thunder
Not talking about dispatcher, talking about the 10% energy reduc from the class tree
icy bridge
that only applies to finishers
mild thunder
Dispatch is a finisher, no?
icy bridge
its a 35 energy spender
nimble jasper
i think hes talking max rank nimble fingers
outlaw aint bad its just
sin is uhh….
still overtuned
mild thunder
Yea idk claiming that outlaw is weak at all is kinda wack
icy bridge
dont forget Outlaw has a long GCD for Cheap Shot xD
mild thunder
Just because the other rogue specs are insanely overtuned
nimble jasper
gcd is actually the same
icy bridge
its still the samw
nimble jasper
i have 4set so i kinda wanna test
hoary estuary
mich..
nimble jasper
whacking people with fat ambushes
icy bridge
but they're not super fast stun bots
hoary estuary
idk i havent played much since 8.3
spice hornet
@elfin surge how do u feel about spri
nimble jasper
idk i havent played much since 8.3
fair
woeful solstice
jfc is everyone back to arms now
nimble jasper
i saw a fury earlier
nimble jasper
well 2
onyx vale
If I wanted to play a glass canon melee with mobility and damage I'd play rogue
wait they are way tankier than arms
woeful solstice
but arms dmg is justifying the swap apparently
green wyvern
it's not
green wyvern
people are coping
woeful solstice
right
green wyvern
arms is terrible
mild thunder
I don’t think anyone is claiming arms is a “good” spec
cinder lake
arms is a joke xD
mild thunder
Just that it’s viable and potentially better than fury in some situations
green wyvern
full mastery fury + class with ms is the only way forward
nimble jasper
glass cannon is ww
woeful solstice
im leveling a 2nd warrior to play arms
nimble jasper
Just because the other rogue specs are insanely overtuned
would say comparatively outlaw is one tier below sin and sub
yo want 2p tho
cinder lake
i dont feel dropping haste on fury gonna make his gameplay stronger tbh
nimble jasper
for disgustingly fat ambushes
mild thunder
would say comparatively outlaw is one tier below sin and sub
Outlaw definitely a solid A… people just aren’t playing it because of the other specs
It’ll come around eventually
mild thunder
Don’t worry, arms gets 10% crit dmg on mortal strike
mild thunder
Same as feral then
onyx vale
dh was nerfed enough, its time to swap fellers
we can now safely move from warrior without being called cringe fotmers
cinder lake
what i hate on fury is that sometimes i cant finish the job..and with my dh i just do it way easier..dh's pvp tools generally are way better to get the kill or cc healer and kill etc
onyx vale
no reason to play dh before dragonflight unless you really just love pressing chaos strike
now they got buttons to press, they almost feel like a real class and not a moba character teleported to a mmo
cinder lake
was dh so bad before df?
onyx vale
cuz it was a 2 button andy, like anni fury
nimble jasper
i mean
call it 2 button andy
when s3/4 sl fury was
cb into rampage
like
????
hello
onyx vale
yes that's why fuck fury
mild thunder
we can now safely move from warrior without being called cringe fotmers
Thank god
onyx vale
never said fury was good
cinder lake
but tbh i play both fury and havoc..job is way easier than fury..amazing cc..very usefull aoe cleave dmg and st also..plus you have an immunity..blur and aoe darkness for ur team
nimble jasper
cuz the bastard talent mana rift
cinder lake
seems way busted
lean burrow
was dh so bad before df?
dhs got only like essence break and dot on throw glaive
cinder lake
and their burst gone
nimble jasper
nah you pre dark early
cinder lake
maybe i dont know so good fury but sometimes i find my self useless
nimble jasper
or you die
cinder lake
as fury
nimble jasper
or you q into a ww
and he just rings your dark
and kills anyway
df is prob the most fun variant of dh since legion
bfa was a complete abomination
onyx vale
I just want to say, 2 second shockwave is fucking disgusting, not even about pvp
nimble jasper
only thing funny about bfa dh
onyx vale
why is shockwave 2 fucking seconds
cinder lake
btw dhs tier set is completely out of this world..shud be nerfed instant
lean burrow
i just feel like i'm putting dr on mobs for nothing
why not shockwave casts only
cinder lake
but i feel like arms with th set bonuses tbh and more crit
gonna pump hard compared to fury
grand scaffold
shit evokers hit too hard
onyx vale
ofc shockwave on casts only, even then a 2 second stun feels disgusting
onyx vale
it's a fucking tauren racial
woeful solstice
baj just hit someone for 130k and is switching back to arms LMAO
nimble jasper
thats nothing
grand scaffold
130k as what
woeful solstice
as arms
nimble jasper
never been hunted for 200k?
cinder lake
BAJ seems to be pumpin
woeful solstice
are you seriously lol'ing at baj?
nimble jasper
hes not that great
woeful solstice
pls post ur checkpvp
cinder lake
btw guys..when i press play at the battle net app wow wont launch but i find it on task manager open though..does anyone experience the same problem?out of th topic but...
woeful solstice
nah not fanboying just think its ridiculous to sit in here and say a multi r1 is "not that great"
nimble jasper
hes like considering xaryu the goated mage
proven maple
Truly. It’s like they don’t realize the scope of the people he plays with….
woeful solstice
literally bought my conq wep and drakebreaker wep this week
and now arms is the move
i knew this was gonna happen too
woeful solstice
yeah true
calm geode
just read the Baj comments. lol Like comparing a Porsche to a Lamborghini. Both are 3-4 times more expensive than what everyone else drives. Sure the Porsche isn't as expensive as a Lambo, but you're not buying either one so...
grand scaffold
literally bought my conq wep and drakebreaker wep this week
you arent alone
i bought a neck and ring with conq
then i went back to playing arms
-_-
fury felt worse than in s2 last expansion
lean burrow
is it much better than battle trance?
lean burrow
icyveins guide (karanze) says it's mandatory pick
fickle forge
spark grotto
hes not wrong
sharp meteor
it feels nice
near cobalt
Whats best to play in solo que?
grand scaffold
no clue
but people say fury
im trying out both atm
arms kinda gets really hard to play at like 1900
it just kinda flops
grand scaffold
i like roar
i play on 300ms so landing spear is very shifty
but if you can land it play with spear
without a doubt
rustic grove
Had a Arms in my last match and he shredded a lot so i dunno im also thinking to switch to arms
Can someone actually share a build for arms ? Would be nice
upbeat ice
watched mag play arms last night and got rolled 5x in a row
switched to fury one game and won
im not gonna put myself through that pain lmao
nimble dirge
yeah i would not play arms unless i had good healer
everyone focus arms now in solo shuffle since they know how easy its to kill
upbeat ice
no ignore pain and d stance sucks
so yea just super perma dead
130k execute doesnt matter cause if they press wall on ur go or any button ur not even getting an execute
then u die
nimble dirge
yep...
weary sky
watched mag play arms last night and got rolled 5x in a row
Yeah its quite hard without a good healer. But there is something to it since many top 10 warriors are on arms
upbeat ice
mag was playing with cdew
but he did say that it felt decent in 2s
but in 3s its unplayable
sharp meteor
arms fell off in sl because it lost all its durability and couldn't keep up with the arms race of dmg
it still lacks the durability and everybody cranks harder
so you're like a quest mob that can sometimes ms somebody for 100k
sinful vortex
so what weapon should someone buy?
polearm for furry and sword for arms?
sinful shore
Hey all would arms or fury be better in a TSG set up?
green wyvern
probably fury
copper hare
Yeah its quite hard without a good healer. But there is something to it since ma...
Top 10 warriors usually also have good team mates. Go try play arms with an average healer
weary sky
Top 10 warriors usually also have good team mates. Go try play arms with an aver...
i did yesterday
went down 100 rating lol
even wih the new weapon
weary sky
but in 3s its unplayable
did he say this ?
interesting. yesteday i was feeling hopless when facing spriest lock
like impossible for me to win
green wyvern
rank 1 warriors play arms with specific comp and good healers
war/lock or war/sp is playable as arms if you have a good healer
mild thunder
so you're like a quest mob that can sometimes ms somebody for 100k
tbf you can ms somebody for more like 200k+ if you're bursting correctly
still a glass cannon, but we definitely have the cannon
spark grotto
tbf you can ms somebody for more like 200k+ if you're bursting correctly
how in the fuck? mine are lucky to hit for 50k with everything up
paper sleet
how in the fuck? mine are lucky to hit for 50k with everything up
literally my thought, until i just critted pvp dummy with Avatar, Colossal Smash, Spear, Sharpen Blade and 2 Martial Prowess Stacks for 180k
mild thunder
how in the fuck? mine are lucky to hit for 50k with everything up
are you running explo?
spark grotto
im running fury cause fuck arms rn
paper sleet
spark grotto
im still real new to pvp but combo of me bad plus warrior bad is proving a way too steep of a learning curve
mild thunder
i think the highest ms ive had on a target dummy was 238k
still need to upgrade my honor pieces to conq tho
pearl prism
@elfin surge you think arms might go A tier after the 10.0.5 buffs?
mild thunder
SSSS++ tier in 10.0.5
pearl prism
What’s the release date of that patch?
molten dagger
are writ and devotion similar procs
spark grotto
how much of a disadvantage am i at with no weapon enchants? i cant find anything under 80k currently
weary sky
still a glass cannon, but we definitely have the cannon
its does quite a lot of dmg but so do DH, DK and rogues
so in the end you are at a disadvantage
i was hyped yesterday but when you gain rating and they start focusin you every game it gets bad imo
I mean, DHs & DKs just do the same dmg but have more tools
mild thunder
yea? i dont think i ever said arms was as good or better than any of those specs lmao
im pretty sure this entire channel would agree arms is still in the bottom 3 of melee specs rn
green wyvern
didnt mud just play arms kitty and got his cheeks clapped
mild thunder
mud
weary sky
yea? i dont think i ever said arms was as good or better than any of those specs...
im just adding thoughts to your comment lol. Thats what people do you know
flint grove
May I ask for fury why we take annihilator? feels clunky
proven maple
Anni don’t add that much damage you could actually grab something else.
Just get all the bloodthirsty bleed stuff from that side
Anni usually 4% of dam
mild thunder
May I ask for fury why we take annihilator? feels clunky
because it allows you to just spam BT and prioritise self-healing
flint grove
gotcha
mild thunder
idk why the guy above said to not take annihilator, that's horrible advice
mild thunder
yes
you're just signigicantly slowing down rage gen and reducing your damage for no reason if you dont take annihilator
proven maple
Again what else can you grab. Since you’re heavily invested in the rest of the left side. But Anni really isn’t doing that much for you in pvp
mild thunder
yes, yes it is
there are several other talents you could grab, but annihilator is objectively better because it completes your build
why would you keep RB if you literally never use it
flint grove
suppose im used to having to be really fastpaced with my normal build
so having to wait on that and whirlwind
feels sluggish
proven maple
I’m more commenting on what else could you take. Onslaught. I mean i take Anni. But it’s not some giga capstone like OF or even UF. Etc.
main urchin
I think my Fury rotation or spec or something is a bit gimpy somehow honestly.... feel pretty rage starved but I'm doing rbgs mostly.
I'm with you on the sluggish neo
But people are all for it so I think it's us. lol
mild thunder
suppose im used to having to be really fastpaced with my normal build
you dont wait
you take reckless abandon and only spam BT
there's no real downtime
proven maple
RA is extremely important. If you’re skipping it. That’s why you feel sluggish
RA enables the build much more then Anni does
main urchin
taking a look
proven maple
It gives you three straight bloodthirsts. After a ramp
main urchin
Ya, I have that in my build.
mild thunder
I’m more commenting on what else could you take. Onslaught. I mean i take Anni. ...
you're never swapping out of anni
you're an idiot if you do
main urchin
I was doing rbgs and just felt kind of the same.. super sluggish... it actually made me go back to arms for the first time and it seemed better suddenly.
flint grove
flint grove
there's no real downtime
theres a 2 sec cd?
main urchin
You have honed, I don't.
flint grove
constantly scrambling to find a spell to cast
proven maple
I mean three bts between rampage usually leaves you maybe one other gcd between. Which often can be spent charge kicking a heal or whatever
main urchin
Ya true
mild thunder
theres a 2 sec cd?
not with RA
main urchin
Not sure how different things get rbgs compared to arenas and shit but I really did feel pretty sluggish in my rbgs as fury
mild thunder
go practice on a training dummy
main urchin
Arms I did way better but I also have played way more arms
As long as I have a healer rofl
hard vector
im thinking about the wepon for pvp how bad is the sword vs the polearm? fury pvp
proven maple
Please
mild thunder
im thinking about the wepon for pvp how bad is the sword vs the polearm? fury pv...
its really not that much of a difference, but spear is better
hard vector
then i go for mog im a casual pvp 😄
weary sky
yeah its not bad at all and allows you to play arms as well so I would get 1 of each
and I dont thnk you will notice
hard vector
are we going 2x frozen devo or vers proc? for wepon ench
lean burrow
yeah its not bad at all and allows you to play arms as well so I would get 1 of ...
wait, you'd buy 2 conq weapons?
isn't offhand less value than armor
cinder thorn
Everyone gonna end up with a fill gear set anyway so I don't get these indecisive questions about which gear to buy
Just buy what you want you'll eventually have all of them anyway
quaint snow
130k for a wep enchant is just heavy imo
cinder thorn
Don't buy it then
Buy a cheaper one
Or make an enchanter and enchant it yourself this will bring price down
quaint snow
gotta swipe my CC i guess
cinder thorn
Difference is minimal between the 1 2 and 3 star ones
Get what you can afford so u don't regret later
quaint snow
yeah true but BIS is BIS
cinder thorn
Yes but it's only BIS till next season
cinder thorn
So if you don't have much income until then get what you can afford
I think Sophic is better but some people use frozen also
Also if you switch to arms you'll want Sophic so it's safer choice
weary sky
Everyone gonna end up with a fill gear set anyway so I don't get these indecisiv...
yeah, i meant down the road
weary sky
isn't offhand less value than armor
This I dont know, would like an answer as well
im not spending 1.8 on the second
pearl prism
whats the most amount of trophies of strife you can get per week?
weary sky
but do you skip it if you get it in the vault?
elfin bolt
Why not buy the 421 primal infused wep for offhand if you dnt wanna waste conq?
wooden grove
are we going 2x frozen devo or vers proc? for wepon ench
Main stat or frozen, nothing else. Anymore questions just sim it.
wooden grove
Why not buy the 421 primal infused wep for offhand if you dnt wanna waste conq?
Epic warmode offhand until you can afford conq
winged quest
just play arm like real mens
wooden grove
Two weeks ago and you would’ve been laughed out of this channel 😂
cinder thorn
Lies
Arms is always for real men, even when it's nerfed
mild thunder
whats the most amount of trophies of strife you can get per week?
8
There’s only that one quest
worn flame
if u missed the q last week, there is no chance to get the trophies r?
autumn whale
Has any one completed ? i cant seem to find the quest giver.
hard vector
is it wort using my pve tier in pvp? les are 402 head 398
prime lion
Has any one completed ? i cant seem to find the quest giver.
brother u will find the questgiver in the Glad Sanctuary, but its on a cycle
this week's in Thaldrazus or w/e
autumn whale
brother u will find the questgiver in the Glad Sanctuary, but its on a cycle
ahh right yea i cmpleted the other two locations. cheers matey
pearl prism
why are they reworking talent trees 3 weeks after game launch?
Arent the supposed to do that before a game is released?
"Balance
The Balance Druid tree has been redesigned."
Lol, am I the only man on this planet that understands that you dont just "redesign talent trees" 3 weeks into a game launch?
elfin bolt
because its broken
pearl prism
I see everyone glorifying this expansion as the best expansion yet, while simultaneously blizzard are literally completely changing class design on the fly and everyones like "oh wow, well done, blizzard are so good"
dawn saffron
well, it's probably better to assume the mistake and rework than leave what is broken alone
elfin bolt
game wasn't release ready was hardly a secret
kindred viper
ffs they have to fix the leavers in solo shuffle
cinder thorn
well, it's probably better to assume the mistake and rework than leave what is b...
This, and meow
elfin bolt
why are you crying about them fixing a talent tree kek
elfin bolt
you probably a karen
pearl prism
like they're suddenly geniuses
elfin bolt
ok karen
undone garden
Braff you so smart, blizz so dumb
dawn saffron
I just think it's good they're trying, we've seem some specs staying broken for months before they even start looking at it but no praise here
cinder thorn
I just think it's good they're trying, we've seem some specs staying broken for ...
This
I think this is one of the best expansion since original blizz got bought out so its a good sign
dawn saffron
I got so surprised when they gave us back sweeping strikes for my arms single target build
cinder thorn
Outland and Northrend were the best ones until now but this one is looking really good also now
pearl prism
3 weeks in, and entire classes and specs are being completely reworked
thats not a successful expansion/launch so far
cinder thorn
3 weeks in, and entire classes and specs are being completely reworked
Why is it bothering you as a warrior anyway thay druid is getting redesigned
nimble dirge
and whats the problem?
dawn saffron
It's no surprise specs not being balanced at WoW, hasn't it always been like this?
elfin bolt
I think this is one of the best expansion since original blizz got bought out so...
Same - some things are ruining it, like new group loot system but PvP pretty enjoyable rn
worthy juniper
and how is it bad that they are fixing broken specs asap?
elfin bolt
60% of classes are being reworked basically
This happens literally every 1st raid
dawn saffron
This xpac actually makes me want to play it, really good comparing to what we had before
elfin bolt
Braff probably played a Guardian druid in PvP
nimble dirge
i guess so also
pearl prism
Na, I just have real world experience
If at my job, I had a deadline to hand in work. Then like 3 days after that deadline, im just changing/altering my work
My boss would fire me
But Blizzard does it, it's a "good" thing
cinder thorn
Na, I just have real world experience
Prepare your ass for arms talent rework also
Also if you wanna cry about druid talents go druid discord we are not tree huggers
pearl prism
figuring out how to play warrior, because the talent trees are being reworked every few weeks
Thats all my point is
cinder thorn
Dude don't play it then
cinder thorn
I love warrior so I'd they rework anything I'll be like yeah baby
mild thunder
And the balance rework was announced before the expansion was even released
cinder thorn
And if everyone is new to it, so will the enemies also not know how to deal with it
mild thunder
Buffs and nerfs aren’t reworks
pearl prism
theyre not just buffs and nerfs
cinder thorn
figuring out how to play warrior, because the talent trees are being reworked ev...
Go play your main then and then play warrior after the rework
mild thunder
Arms is getting like 2-3 small changes to help the tree flow more fluently
cinder thorn
If your main is druid then be grateful they're fixing balance because its pretty shit at the moment that's why nobody playing it and why they doing rework
mild thunder
If you wanna call that a rework or redesign, good on you I guess
pearl prism
Affliction
Soul Tap has been removed.
Pandemic Invocation has been moved to row 6 and is now a 1 rank talent.
Holy
Burning Vehemence and Searing Light have swapped positions in the talent tree.
discipline
Added a few connections to the sides of row 6 to row 8 for Discipline.
the list is endless
silk flicker
Holy shit blizzard is fixing things that weren't working
How fucking dare they
Leave them to be broken, I say
pearl prism
thats 3 examples
thats not the full list
Survival Instincts moved to row 5.
Infected Wounds moved to row 5.
Berserk moved to row 6.
Moment of Clarity moved to row 7.
Berserk: Heart of the Lion and Berserk: Frenzy moved within row 7 and connections changed.
silk flicker
Release expansion and clock out for the next few months, nothing left to do boys
cinder thorn
Affliction
Soul Tap has been removed.
Pandemic Invocation has been moved to row ...
Dude, you sound like a perfectionist who needs to read every line of change taking place
And it's getting too much for you
Just focus on one class and play it well, if you're not enjoying reading about all the changes don't read them
steep inlet
Zzz blizzard are working a lot on Df and it should be bad ?
mild thunder
It’s almost like it’s a brand new system that no one at Blizz has worked on before, and some time will be required to iron out the kinks
pearl prism
HUNTER
Marksmanship
Salvo has been redesigned – Your next Multi-Shot or Volley now also applies Explosive Shot to up to 2 targets hit. 45 second cooldown.
Double Tap has been removed and has been replaced by Tactical Reload in the Talent tree.
steep inlet
Wtf i read
pearl prism
LOL
cinder thorn
I used to read every line of the patches for every class too but it does get too much so just relax and focus on your main
pearl prism
Salvo has been redesigned
Salvo has been redesigned
Salvo has been redesigned
Salvo has been redesigned
Salvo has been redesigned
Salvo has been redesigned
Salvo has been redesigned
WHAT DOES REDESIGN MEAN FUCK TARD
READ
steep inlet
This guy
mild thunder
This means blizz is completely reworking every class
steep inlet
Jeez
cinder thorn
silk flicker
Braff please tell me you're just a 4d chess troll, nobody can be this stupid lmao
silk flicker
We will
mild thunder
You don’t
pearl prism
you dont need to defend shit you cant defend
mild thunder
So we’re making fun of you
silk flicker
So find a valid point first
cinder thorn
Dude we are chilled
I'm trying to chill you out but you're like the girl on fire
pearl prism
youve got one guy here saying "redesign does not mean redsesign"
go get some macdonalds
chjill the fuck out
mild thunder
You just don’t know what a redesign is
proven maple
Yo this guy is a giga cry baby. Like wtf you so mad about.
proven maple
People will complain about anything. But this is intense just complaining to complain like a small child
mild thunder
Idk there’s probably genuine stuff to criticise dragonflight for
Like some of the spec design is kinda lame, balancing isn’t the best in the world
sly furnace
Some ppl need a reminder that it’s only a game:)
mild thunder
But man some people are a little special in the head
proven maple
mild thunder
Arms and fury both need dps reworks
green wyvern
need rotational reworks