pvp

[brazen rock]

So if using honor neck, go nuts with lariat for now.

[earnest ginkgo]

ahh

then I'll go with standard haste mastery for my pve and wait for gladiator neck

[round seal]

Looking for a good fury warrior to run man cleave sometime just message me on discord

[quaint snow]

got the polearm from vault juhu, im lost now what to buy ... buy a second wep? what to buy with drakebreaker stuff? any ideas?

[turbid ember]

Not a weapon with conquest at least, damage doesn't calculate based on OH damage

[glacial spear]

yeah idk either what to buy from drakebreaker

[brazen rock]

buy drakebreaker wep.

[glacial spear]

lol

[cloud oak]

So is fury using tier set?

[brazen rock]

no

[cloud oak]

So I should take haste vers shoulders

Fr vault

[quartz kelp]

Is Fury good in pvp rn or it still Arms meta?

[brazen rock]

sure

both r gud, fury better in shuffle, arms better elsewhere

[quartz kelp]

So for RBGs Arms?

Sadge

[brazen rock]

yes

sharpen/target calling

0 reason to invite fury over DH in rbg.

[wispy sail]

cant queue arena

nvm now it works

xD

8 min avg wait time?

[quartz kelp]

mega sadge

[lyric violet]

Swapped back to arms today

Felt so good

[brazen rock]

[lyric violet]

The damage is unreal

If they go into execute range with sharpen up they just get folded

Roller coaster hp bar tho some times

[quaint snow]

drakebreaker sword or impaler, makes a diff?

[vapid rover]

wich enchant you use on weapon ? (as arm)
im always lost between the epic one or just stats enchant

[calm nimbus]

So if I got this right for fury. We buy conq weapon if we dont get it in vault, but dont buy a second for conq if we get it in vault?

[azure willow]

hey guys , i just looted a tier set pvp item in the vault , does the 2/4 bonus work in arena?

[quaint snow]

drakebreaker sword or impaler, makes a diff?

[brazen rock]

just secondary stats.

[brazen rock]

yes.

[brazen rock]

yes.

[azure willow]

damn thats insane ok

[brazen rock]

fury tier is ass, arms is juice

[azure willow]

so its totally rng to loot a tier set ?

[brazen rock]

yes

[cold depot]

whats conq gear prio if you got a vault weapon then? i have crafted hat/boots already

[brazen rock]

neck is nice to dump 3 sockets into

[storm spade]

any idea how necks with a pre-rolled socket work btw? is it literally just that it saves some gold to get your 3rd?

[brazen rock]

i believe so. lets you skip the first item

[storm spade]

eh 😦

[severe skiff]

actually so tilting getting a new or terrible healer as arms

because 99% of the time the game is a mix of spriest/dh/dk

[brazen rock]

bruh im tellin you

ret/arms/prevoker is busted

you just W key into them the entire game

[severe skiff]

I dont think arms is bad I just mean in solo que

[brazen rock]

ohh

fuck shuffle

[severe skiff]

on my other classes I can play around a healer who just cant heal

[azure willow]

in shuffle you just die randomly

[severe skiff]

arms is just flop city

is nothing random about it its usually a case of someone not kicking a spell while you're stunned or a healer just not healing, in my experience

think newer healers just aren't used to having to trade cds and try their hardest to sit on things til they are too far behind

[formal steppe]

can you not change the stats on the crafted pvp item?

[severe skiff]

also apparently psyfiends and mind games are invisible to everyone else so if I'm stunned ggggggg

you cannot

[brazen rock]

nope

[formal steppe]

how do you grind the bop items (not spark) you need 50/40 of on an alt?

[severe skiff]

can buy boxes that have them in it for 5k honor, can get from bg wins

can get from arena/solo que wins

higher rating = more of them per box

can loot from expidition packs/dirt piles in the world

elite world quests give them

[green wyvern]

holy shit human and orc heritage armor in 10.0.7

gigachad warrior races

[lean mason]

Humans are better looking

[undone pumice]

but are they THE predator in animations?

[severe skiff]

they aren't going to look better than S1 BFA elite which was their actual heritage armor

[brazen rock]

yoo this is sick

also 10.0.5 for winter

ayyy

ARMS BABES

[severe skiff]

10.0.5 is prob going to be same patch that puts in the forge/enables it, could be a bit later than that but I could see it being jan 24th

[quartz kelp]

Any chance Prot is good in pvp?

[severe skiff]

no

[mortal ridge]

Is there any list of which items to buy for conquest?

[undone pumice]

wep then big pieces

[severe skiff]

alternatively, weapon then small pieces and rely on vault for expensive pieces, doesn't matter in the end

[quartz kelp]

damnit

[brazen rock]

neck is big

3 sockets

[mortal ridge]

Got the wep in vault. Was mostly thinking about the tier set replacing conq pieces. But tbh Ive hardly read into how the pvp tier set works, so thats on me

[brazen rock]

fury tier is dog

arms is juice

[hot solstice]

Forgot I could get crafted head… bought 1 for conquest((

[quaint snow]

sorry if asked before but

for the 3 sockets in neck

i buy 1 bronze 1 silver 1 gold?

[formal steppe]

i got a trouser pvp chest it gives haste verse thats not bad even on fury

[severe skiff]

buy two silver and 1 gold

rank2 are generally cheaper than rank1

use the two rank2 first then rank3 last

[quaint snow]

i see thanks

and what gems are BIS anyone knows that yet?

(fury)

[severe skiff]

preference, can go full haste, full versa, full mastery, or mix gems that have both

1 of your gems should be a diamond tho when you get 20 primals

you can put a work order in for a diamond

which are main stat + secondary

can only wear one diamond

[zenith marlin]

right trying to queue 2s with my buddy

no indication that we join the queue, and we get desereter out of blue

How do they break smth that worked fine for a decade

[quaint snow]

uff nice info thanks

what you mean with the primal?

[zenith marlin]

and now got 5 min deserter

[severe skiff]

primal chaos

the item you need to make crafted gear

takes 20 primal chaos to make a diamond

[quaint snow]

i see

thanks a lot man

full versa is nice i think and then the primal one str + vers

probably

[grand scaffold]

hows your build holding up in solo shuffle

[brazen rock]

if healer is good i clap

if healer is bad i get clapped

[green wyvern]

shuffle is a meme anyway

[vale ibex]

So conflicted on going arms or sticking fury

Newbie pvp trying to grow

[ancient dirge]

Fury has twice as many 2 handed weapons

So

[grand scaffold]

im diehard fury

and even i like arms atm

fury is so braindead

just spam bloodthirst

[formal steppe]

can someone explain to me how bloodsurge works, whenever im ccd i cant use it

or is my macro bugging

[vale ibex]

Imagine the most garbage player you’ve seen, that’s me. Looking to push maybe 2k by end of season with resto Druid. Which would you recommend?

[ancient dirge]

DH

[vale ibex]

Hahaha war wise

[tranquil hemlock]

Fury feels bad in 2s arms feels bad in solo at least to me. I only play around 2.2k though

[zenith marlin]

brother

2s straight wont work in eu

wtf

[tranquil hemlock]

Feelsbad

[zenith marlin]

wont show us in queue, once u enter u wait 1 min to act get in, loading screen gets stuck

[ancient dirge]

[vale ibex]

I don’t do solo, planning to do 2s with resto drood and 3s with enh and prob resto drood

[zenith marlin]

u cant queue to 2s its bugged

[vale ibex]

I feel overwhelmed half the time with arms cause I don’t have a healer in bgs/world content/ skirmishes

[tranquil hemlock]

arms would probably be better to learn for that and in the long run

[zenith marlin]

who tf makes this game

[fickle forge]

No you're not

[vale ibex]

Fury in his name, #fury main

[grand scaffold]

aaaaaaay

[fickle forge]

Man's been playing every other class in the game, besides fury

[grand scaffold]

been a while since ive heard of you

how are you man

[ancient dirge]

@zenith marlin did you 2 try to queue without addons on? That used to be a bug a while back

[fickle forge]

All good dude

Welcome back

[grand scaffold]

nice!

ty ty

you still making icyveins guides?

[fickle forge]

😎👍

[grand scaffold]

awesome!

lemme go check the guide rn

is it up to date for arms?

[scarlet barn]

Remember when fury was meta

[fickle forge]

Yes, except EP needs to go into Unhinged or Fatality on talents

[scarlet barn]

Yes. They are pinned in this channel

[grand scaffold]

whats ep/

[scarlet barn]

Executioners precision

[grand scaffold]

and is fatality better/worse than unhinged

[zenith marlin]

worse

[lean mason]

Was it?

[grand scaffold]

oh

[fickle forge]

Fatality works good in a dampener

[grand scaffold]

what would you recommmend i run for solo shuffle

[zenith marlin]

its not only nerfed in pvp but also half the classes just remove the debuff

[fickle forge]

Unhinged

[zenith marlin]

e.g. palas mages

[fickle forge]

Ah yes

[grand scaffold]

thank you

[fickle forge]

2 of the 4 classes

[grand scaffold]

😄

is 2400 as arms possible in solo shuffle?

[fickle forge]

Definitely

[hot solstice]

Is it ok to go for bs pvp talent ?

[fickle forge]

Arms is fine

[grand scaffold]

awesome man

appreciate the help!

[fickle forge]

No worries

Just don't shoot for 110% MS

👀

[scarlet barn]

Yes

[grand scaffold]

haha

[scarlet barn]

Actually few times now

[grand scaffold]

also i see a few builds in iceveins

which one should i pick

[fickle forge]

The generalised one

Aka top one

[grand scaffold]

ok awesome

[fickle forge]

I'll update it again for Christmas though

[scarlet barn]

With gingerbread and egg nog?

[grand scaffold]

ok cool

rend still worth running?

[fickle forge]

I don't personally, but it's okay to press

[grand scaffold]

ok

can i remove rend for fatality?

[uneven turret]

Doesnt the general build run rend?

[fickle forge]

Till the next update yeah

[grand scaffold]

it does

what should i drop it for

[uneven turret]

Can u like do a quick pin of your build now?

[grand scaffold]

thats actually an awesome idea

[uneven turret]

I know updating iv might take a while

[fickle forge]

I'm sure the PvP stormforged can make a pinned quick-guide that's easy to update

😎👍

[zenith marlin]

love it when 1400 rating ppl complain about 0 rating ppl in solo shuffle, im like brother you are both 0 rating

[grand scaffold]

can you link me your current build real quick?

ide really appreciate it

[median copper]

is the set of the walking mountain obtainable outside of weekly vault?

[ancient dirge]

Can I please gain rating when I win the majority of solo shuffle rounds

[hot solstice]

Sad rend doesn’t give 10% crit damage anymore

[fickle forge]

At the gym rn, I'll throw it your way tomorrow if you haven't gotten your hands on Mud's or something by then

[grand scaffold]

ok ty

enjoy the gym

[fickle forge]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[uneven turret]

@elfin surge he called u out 🥳

[unreal zealot]

Is arms fun in PvP?

[grand scaffold]

highly

[tribal wedge]

it is

[grand scaffold]

first time in forever

[raw bridge]

How is Fury in WPVP? I'm considering switching from Rogue to Warrior because the PVE side of rogue is way too APM for these old man hands. So I'd be doing both but I'm interested in rolling with War mode on and doing BGs, maybe some solo shuffle

I know fury is high APM but it feels much nicer than Outlaw if that makes sense

[uneven turret]

So with this morning’s murlok.io update, it seems like, well, pretty much what i expected, most fury run the mastery polearm, and most arms run the crit sword.

[unreal zealot]

I’m debating leveling one

[urban skiff]

absurd amounts of fun

for world content go with barbarian talent to yeet yourself away if ever in danger

[raw bridge]

Makes sense. I definitely found myself missing rogue mobility / escape cheese in PVP but I also wasn't talented into enough CC / mobility

[urban skiff]

if ever caught without any defensives or selfheal left i just leap twice to wherever I can find mobs, kill them for resetting victory rush and I'm back in the game

[raw bridge]

Yeah, mob heal cheese FTW

[scarlet barn]

[quick carbon]

I think the age of arms warrior supremacy has returned boys

feelsgood

[grand scaffold]

yah

[austere stirrup]

why people so keen on arms becoming meta again? y'all hate having self heals?

[quick carbon]

because arms is the more enjoyable spec

95% of warrior pvpers are arms warrior mains they just played fury to be competitive

[grand scaffold]

^

[cinder lake]

Enjoyable lol??i feel like a grandpa when i try arms

[quick carbon]

I feel like an absolute sperg playing donkey Kong on GameCube when I play fury

[uneven turret]

why?

[cinder lake]

you cannot say arms is the more enioyable sprc

Everyone has diff opinion

For me arms is like slow garbage can

[quick carbon]

it absolutely is the more enjoyable spec, the vast majority of warrior pvpers will agree with me

[sterile ferry]

who have mained arms since classic ^

[cinder lake]

Yeh keep thinking thay is 100% more enjoyable 🤣

[zenith marlin]

arms after mop is just plain garbage

[grand scaffold]

how

[sterile ferry]

its like they wanted you to try something new

[quick carbon]

I’m not trying to dump on fury players

[grand scaffold]

you spam overpower and mortal strike

and this time

[quick carbon]

but arms is by far more enjoyable

[grand scaffold]

you arent rage starved

its awesome

[zenith marlin]

back then atleast execute killed ppl

[quick carbon]

I’m always hitting something every global as arms rn

[fickle forge]

I guess some people just prefer having win conditions outside pressing 123

[grand scaffold]

i hit 120k executes often

[quick carbon]

Execut kills people now though

[grand scaffold]

yeah

[quick carbon]

arms warrior has very very good finishing power

[grand scaffold]

^

[zenith marlin]

bet

[quick carbon]

the only spec that can match the finishing power of arms warrior atm is sp

[uneven turret]

do u press slam and ww as arms?

[zenith marlin]

gotta love how actual pvp kills give 1 spark of life

[quick carbon]

I never hit whirlwind

[zenith marlin]

but bs chest loots give 5

[quick carbon]

Almost never hit slam

[grand scaffold]

never whirlwind

slam only when everything is on cd

[fickle forge]

SL fury be like: Drop stun, make your kitty pick up tank leggo and then just damp

[cinder lake]

For me its garbage..feels like havin a grandpa with a big sword..i would rather play tetris lol

[quick carbon]

I’m always hitting overpower and mortal strike and execute

[brazen rock]

arms plays amazing right now

[full quiver]

@grand scaffold r u demo now

[sharp meteor]

the fotm never ends

[quick carbon]

arms is super fast paced rn idk why ppl act like it’s some old head spec that can’t hit anything more than once every 6 seconds

[turbid ember]

When is prots turn?

[fickle forge]

Slam only if you can press nothing and you don't use rage below so have to wait for MS
WW only on stealthers

[full quiver]

slam off cd

ww off cd

[zenith marlin]

cuz hitting 8k overpower and 6k slam isnt hitting anything

[full quiver]

karg doesn't even have game installed

[fickle forge]

Look man, it was uninstalled for 3 seconds

I was sane for 3 seconds

[nimble jasper]

never

[quick carbon]

You can hit pretty decently hard overpowers tbh

[zenith marlin]

ur recycling bin must be big

[nimble jasper]

ban tanks from pvp

which would also ban warlocks

win win

[brazen rock]

my op hits for 30k idk what your doing

[austere stirrup]

arms is cool I just hate not having self healing

[quick carbon]

Just hit impending

[austere stirrup]

so i'm personally glad for fury being good

[quick carbon]

And have your healer heal you

[nimble jasper]

what do you need self healing for

[fickle forge]

OP+DN did 80k for me at one point

[quick carbon]

you don’t need self healing if you kill them

[brazen rock]

just play with a prevoker or rdruid

[austere stirrup]

2v2 with another dps, world pvp, BGs, etc.

[grand scaffold]

demo now my alt

[zenith marlin]

also arms talents xd

[austere stirrup]

having self healing nice

[grand scaffold]

maining arms

😎

[nimble jasper]

lmao world pvp

[zenith marlin]

legit no other spec has such garbage talents

on the last row

[quick carbon]

Arms talents are fine?

unhinged is borderline broken

[zenith marlin]

half of them are nrefed in pvp too

[grizzled zinc]

did arms get buffed today?

[quick carbon]

Because if they weren’t they’d be busted

[zenith marlin]

unhinged is the only talent among its peers that does smth

[nimble jasper]

rogue doesnt self heal much doesnt prevent the class from being s tier

[quick carbon]

fatality would be absolutely broken in pvp if it wasn’t nerfed

[zenith marlin]

dont compare arms with rogue bruh

[brazen rock]

last patch, yes.

further buffs in 10.0.5

[uneven turret]

hmm, i imagine arms will be defnintely superior once people get 2 pc/4 pc tier....

[austere stirrup]

Sub has pretty good self heal actually

[nimble jasper]

i mean if we were using self healing as a metric

[grand scaffold]

does anybody have the weakaura for tracking battlestance and dstance

[nimble jasper]

for anything

[quick carbon]

I mean arms and rogue are pretty similar in the sense that they’re both usually top tier melee so u can say that haha

[nimble jasper]

not really

soothing darkness got nerfed psure

[grand scaffold]

?

[zenith marlin]

u do know the rogue cds right

[full quiver]

what!

but demo so stronk rnow

[austere stirrup]

30% off their 2 shadow dance, 2 vanish, passive healing during slice and dice, vial heal 30% at least

[zenith marlin]

i do this:

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:0] Battle Stance
/cast [stance:1] Battle Stance
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance

sorta tracks it on the bars

if icon is defensive u are in battle

[nimble jasper]

the first one is cut in half in pvp

[grand scaffold]

arms so much more fun tho

[nimble jasper]

also recuperator is like 1% hp per 2 secs

thats legit nothing

[quick carbon]

I’m actually really satisfied with how arms plays, most fun it’s been rotationally in years

[nimble jasper]

vial is 20% in pve

[zenith marlin]

thats 1.5k hps

[nimble jasper]

jesus christ

[zenith marlin]

1.5k hps is far from nothing

[nimble jasper]

at least know what you’re talking about

[quick carbon]

People are doing 20-30k dps

1.5k hps is dog

[zenith marlin]

that's healing like 5% of their dps yes

for some garbage passive talent

[quick carbon]

wow he hit me with a 200k hunt good thing I lived because of my 10k heal right there

Phew

[nimble jasper]

yeah thats legit

[cinder lake]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-grandpa-grandpa-kiki-dance-kiki-dance-dance-party-gif-12380914

[nimble jasper]

a non issue

[cinder lake]

Arms solo shuffle ^

[nimble jasper]

healing for a fraction of an swp tick

[quick carbon]

I went 6-0 in shuffle last night and 5-1 twice because arms does absolutely disgusting dam

[nimble jasper]

2 vanishes is valid but thats not self healing

thats just making yourself a non target

for a period

if you want to talk self healing well

look at warlocks

[quick carbon]

You should try arms before you make these claims about it at least @cinder lake

Because u sound like u don’t play it at all

[steep cairn]

2x Sword or polearm for fury?

[cinder lake]

👴🐌🥙

[quick carbon]

fury goes polearm

[cinder lake]

Lmao

[steep cairn]

Ty!!

[full quiver]

i did a shuffle yesterdya

and the arms went 0-6

[quick carbon]

was probably a dookie warrior

[uneven turret]

fk, so much dileman, its like i am picking between arms vs fury when i decide which wep to buy

[full quiver]

definitely was lol

was my second shuffle

[nimble jasper]

i knew a healer who was malding

[cinder lake]

@quick carbon arms lmao..i could not even imagine it

[nimble jasper]

cuz he had a dps throw multiple rounds of shuffle

then have nerve to ask to q

actual games

lmao

[full quiver]

i was malding

because this ww does negative dam on my team

[quick carbon]

I mean if you can’t handle hitting more than bloodthirst and rampage baby just say that

[full quiver]

then swaps and one shots partner

[grand scaffold]

for me the icon is always defensive stance

[full quiver]

in .5s

2 rounds in a row

[grand scaffold]

even in d stance

[full quiver]

lol

[cinder lake]

@quick carbon arms lmao

[nimble jasper]

ww is a good spec

just most players are bad

[full quiver]

yeah

[nimble jasper]

and dont know how to run

[quick carbon]

ww is also super fun too

[full quiver]

it blasts

i swear it doesn't need to run

[zenith marlin]

thats odd

[full quiver]

thing feels like a brick wall as dk

[quick carbon]

if I didn’t play arms I’d main ww

[sly furnace]

So wich braket is not bugged in EU ?

[full quiver]

idk what i'm doing wrong lol

[quick carbon]

unholy dks bang harder than Jonny sins bruh idk

[nimble jasper]

sin rogue nerf

[full quiver]

yeah but ww feels like it never dies

[nimble jasper]

didnt do shit

btw

[quick carbon]

yah rogue and feral still absurd

[grand scaffold]

🤣

[quick carbon]

Best 2 melee for sure

[nimble jasper]

feral is just uhh

[uneven turret]

is this what u guys run?

[nimble jasper]

vile

[brazen rock]

feral nerf isnt until 10.0.5

[quick carbon]

Don’t run rend it’s dog

[nimble jasper]

wait until you get a feral tho

[full quiver]

keep queueing into that vinetia guy

[grand scaffold]

so does anybody have a weakaura that shows what stance im in

[full quiver]

doing carries with blessing of summer

[quick carbon]

Don’t use any bleed talents they suck

[full quiver]

too

[nimble jasper]

that can actually fake clones

[grand scaffold]

the stance swapping macro doesnt appear to swap icons

[full quiver]

i thought feral didn't even take clone now

[uneven turret]

This is Smexxin's build rn

[quick carbon]

I hate rend idk

mag doesn’t us eit either

but hey if it works for smexxin fuck it play it

I’m not someone to challenge smexxins warrior brain

[grand scaffold]

i got rid of rend for fueled by violence

idk how good of a move that is

but im not dying as much

[quick carbon]

I use fueled by violence too

[brazen rock]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQIpUSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENKJSwBoJRQASSkAAAAAAAAQClkECAA

this is the build.

[grand scaffold]

whos build?

[brazen rock]

the build.

[cinder lake]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-guy-senior-walker-you-are-officially-elderly-gif-17511674

[full quiver]

smexxin always likes rend

[cinder lake]

[full quiver]

he played it s2 a lot as well

[grand scaffold]

even for solo shuffle that build is good?

[full quiver]

used to pump into ret/war lol

[quick carbon]

I usually always go the unhinged build in everything I play

It’s disgust damage

Double spears can just win you the game

[brazen rock]

yup works fine

[grand scaffold]

cool

oh shit

its the same build im running

nice

[zenith marlin]

omfg

[crimson onyx]

Getting back to Pvp after one expansion break. What comps are most solid atm in 3s?

[zenith marlin]

got deserter again

for no reasson

do urself a favor and dont return to pvp man xD

[grand scaffold]

pvp > pve

any day

[crimson onyx]

Hahha why

[delicate bronze]

Warr sp prevoker is solid

[zenith marlin]

everything is bugged

i was queueing for 2s like 2 hours ago

game is still trying to queue me into it

and keep getting random desereter debuffs

glad to know thats the only thing that functions

[grand scaffold]

are you running vers>crit>haste>mastery?

or what

[dark sparrow]

Yea EU q’s have been broken since noon

[quick carbon]

Ya that’s the stat prio

[grand scaffold]

ok cool

[winged quest]

what should i get ?

any advice ?

[finite shoal]

boys is arms back? idk if i should get conq weap+ trophy of strife weap

[winged quest]

playing arm

[quick carbon]

I’d probably get the weapon

[finite shoal]

i fear that next week arms > fury and i ahve a useless 2nd weap

[zenith marlin]

how do u all even get 100 trophy of strife

i am not about to find 100 ppl to kill

[quick carbon]

I think arms is better than fury right now tbh @finite shoal

[finite shoal]

just go into custom farm group

[winged quest]

even if its not crit ?

[quick carbon]

ya cuz it’s still instant power

even if u grab tier, ur not guaranteed to get another tier next week

[winged quest]

hmm

[autumn saffron]

Someone left my solo shuffle after 2 rounds and I get 100 honor and a 15 min que debuff, great deal

[formal steppe]

ill save all my conquest in case arms gets better 🙂

[quick carbon]

Weapon is instant power

[zenith marlin]

i dont get it

[tight imp]

I did some wpvp yesterday and got 2 war crates and got 0 sparks

[zenith marlin]

does anything scale form wepaon dmg anymore?

[delicate bronze]

Arms still worse than fury imo

[tight imp]

Is the quest bugged?

[grand scaffold]

yeah

but

arms still more fun

than spamming only bloodthirst

[delicate bronze]

Yeah

[grand scaffold]

and relying on auto attacks

[delicate bronze]

I agree

[wheat jay]

wtf you back to warr?

[grand scaffold]

👋

[wheat jay]

fury jsut got nerfed

[quick carbon]

I think the gap between arms and fury is small tho

[wheat jay]

just so you know

[grand scaffold]

im playing arms

😎

[quick carbon]

[grand scaffold]

hru btw

havent heard from you in like a year

[dark sparrow]

Anyone else just had pure lag fest when doing the spark quest on island? I didn’t have any issues last week in cobalt with almost same amount of players

[wheat jay]

im always here

O_O

[delicate bronze]

The nerf to fury is small

[zenith marlin]

idk why they bother to nerf fury so much

[finite shoal]

just give ignore pain back to arms

[tight imp]

I played solo shuffle with arms warrior this morning who got absolutely demolished 1v1 in like the first 5 seconds of a round

[finite shoal]

and we will all instantly play arms again am i right?

[tight imp]

I blinked and dudes was dead

[dark sparrow]

Because not even warrior players like to play fury

[quick carbon]

arms is in a weird spot if you give it defensive buffs it just becomes oppressive like fury’s been the past year

because it’s damage is so wild

[winged quest]

we just need ignore pain

[finite shoal]

ignore pain feels so good tho

[crimson onyx]

Gearing to catch up in pvp now = Craft gear, get honor and cap?

[formal steppe]

get honor, craft helm and feet, save conquest as long as possible

[scarlet barn]

if you are a perennial 1600 player suddenly seeing peak CR for the first time in solo shuffle, it has absolutely nothing to do with you

you are not a prodigious genius held back by the old constructs of gear upgrades and group finder

you’re just the benefactor of a broken and bugged bracket

so many s-key pressing, action bar clicking, overbite tongue-chewing monobrows seeing a 2 in front of their rating for the first time and acting like they’ve been “this good” for years has made these forums an incredible case study for the human ego

thinking you’re a “high end” player because you got 2k in solo shuffle is like putting helen keller in a self-driving car and saying she could’ve won the grand prix this whole time

@fickle forge

[elfin surge]

if you are a perennial 1600 player suddenly seeing peak CR for the first time in solo shuffle, it has absolutely nothing to do with you

you are not a prodigious genius held back by the old constructs of gear upgrades and group finder

you’re just the benefactor of a broken and bugged bracket

so many s-key pressing, action bar clicking, overbite tongue-chewing monobrows seeing a 2 in front of their rating for the first time and acting like they’ve been “this good” for years has made these forums an incredible case study for the human ego

thinking you’re a “high end” player because you got 2k in solo shuffle is like putting helen keller in a self-driving car and saying she could’ve won the grand prix this whole time

[nimble jasper]

2k poggers

[elfin surge]

@fickle forge

[zenith marlin]

2 much text didnt read

[sharp meteor]

hope they don't let the bracket become too much of a meme

probs too late but eh

[zenith marlin]

u all too much literature to be warrior players

[delicate bronze]

🤨

[sharp meteor]

I'm too much literature?

[nimble jasper]

i remember my first 2k

i didnt track drs

[formal steppe]

it is definitely easier than in shadowlands where high rated could gatekeep with upgraded gear

what a trash system that was, holy hell

[nimble jasper]

thats

copium

[formal steppe]

na thats just fact

its like call of duty

XD

[nimble jasper]

people who acted like the sub 2k brackets were infested with duelist geared people

cope so hard

[crimson onyx]

Any good melee cleaves in 3s?

[warm portal]

To be fair the 2s bracket usually was in SL lol

[formal steppe]

at the start of the season it was fine, but with every reset the system just got su much worse

[nimble jasper]

i played so much in SL

rarely ran into these alleged boosters

was just another excuse for people to use

[formal steppe]

boosting is fixed anyways thanks to shuffle

and always a thing in premade queues

[nimble jasper]

?

[warm portal]

I wont disagree about that

[formal steppe]

premade queues = boost fiesta

[nimble jasper]

solo shuffle is how you get inflated cr

people think they’re better than they are

[formal steppe]

shuffle just isnt about social game stuff

people who just want to game obviously get higher now

they dont have to make friends in a video game xd

[nimble jasper]

🙂

[warm portal]

Solo shuffle is still like slapping an extra 500cr onto what you'd normally play at

[nimble jasper]

keep telling yourself that

[nimble jasper]

exactly this

[formal steppe]

many people believe because they spam games with their premade for 5 years against randoms they are so good

[nimble jasper]

if you cant find q’s when the game isnt asscheeks

[quaint snow]

ehh drakebreaker sword or impaler have both vers crit on it???

[nimble jasper]

its a you problem

[formal steppe]

i dont play wow to make friends

and neither do many

[full quiver]

LOL

[nimble jasper]

this guy is

coping so hard

[full quiver]

yeah go fuck urself mich

[nimble jasper]

every team he loses to must be a premade

in voice

def

voicing 2s btw

[full quiver]

you'll never understand!!!!

[finite shoal]

but...isnt spamming shuffle the same thing as spamming 3s with randoms from group finder?

i dont see the difference lol xd

[formal steppe]

enemy cant abuse premading

its good

[finite shoal]

"abuse" premading

[nimble jasper]

you try to establish relations

with players

how do you think most people found their teams

xd

[finite shoal]

yea dude i know

but if u just wanna queue without any comms

go to group finder and play games with the people

thats literally the same as shuffle

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[finite shoal]

imo

[nimble jasper]

2400 unchained glad ret war players

in shambles

[formal steppe]

but i know that you get a lot of rating at the start

[nimble jasper]

true prodigies

[formal steppe]

i played prot and got a lot, then it stopped and my prot rating dropped 😦

[nimble jasper]

tanks in pvp

/spit

[safe harness]

is it worth running conq weapon + trophy or strife weapon?

[nimble jasper]

its fine

[finite shoal]

as fury yeah obviously

[safe harness]

i'm guessing yes purely cause of ilvl

[finite shoal]

takes you years otherwise to get both conq weapons

[safe harness]

yh, prob another 2 weeks before enough conq right? (unless vault)

[finite shoal]

should be another 2 yeah

my dilemma rn is just i dont wanna buy 2 weapons and suddenly arms > fury becomes a fact in the next days

and then i have a useless 2nd weapon xd

[safe harness]

tbh i've never really played arms so i'll prob stick with fury

[green wyvern]

that's why you should have multiple warriors

[nimble jasper]

this is why you dont heal solo shuffle

as a semi decent healer

[safe harness]

i'm leveling an alt as arms slowly tho just to get a feel

[finite shoal]

true, but too little time for that

[cinder lake]

@safe harness if you need a healer i can help.. 🤣

[formal steppe]

since arms rating is separate, just save your conquest and open vault late if you dont get a piece that works for both

[safe harness]

for 2's?

[cinder lake]

No for leveling..I saw a few arms warriors today dying from mobs perma while leveling... 🐌🦥

[formal steppe]

arms heavily relies on second wind

always has

[safe harness]

aah I see, would be fun! fast queue, are you EU?

[uneven turret]

noob question: do we use any consumables for pvp? like weapon temporary enchants? what about for world pvp/random BG?

[formal steppe]

in arena you cant use anything, in rated bgs usually only rated bg specific consumables, in unrated bgs you can use most consumables and in the openworld everything

[uneven turret]

kk

[brazen rock]

nobody touches that dogshit talent.

[formal steppe]

for leveling its the best talent in the game

[shell nimbus]

what item is best to buy for conquest? i got bis helm and boots

got 1,2k conquest also got pvp hands and waist (conquest)

[formal steppe]

wait for now if arms gets better, if arms gets better a crit weapon

[raw summit]

weppo

[lavish heron]

weppppo

but the wait and see works to

[formal steppe]

you can also get a random tier set slot and convert to tier in a couple weeks

[brazen rock]

mastery wep works fine for both specs.

[uneven turret]

crits way better for arms though

[brazen rock]

sure

mastery still works fine

[thick reef]

So is Arms now a viable spec for pvp instead of fury?

And like... would there be enough sustain with arms?

[formal steppe]

i guess you could also just make another warrior and play one only for fury and one only for arms

probably the best strategy

[lavish heron]

fury seems to be slapping better atm

but notorious for the nerf

[safe harness]

that's how I like to learn new specs

[brazen rock]

arms requires a competent healer to perform.

[formal steppe]

i hate twinking, but its really necessary now if you want to play warrior for pve and pvp imo

[uneven turret]

ill level my havoc i guess

[delicate bronze]

Arms when facing caster comp 💀 💀

[zenith marlin]

not like its good vs any melee besides ret and dk

blizz said fk plates this expansion

[formal steppe]

i just want shadowlands season 1 arms back

that was so fun

[brazen rock]

warrior doomers :

[zenith marlin]

U think small

I just want MoP s1 arms back

[formal steppe]

i want the condemn spam + charge talent without icd back

so sticky xd

[zenith marlin]

avatar bloodbath weird banner recklesness T^T

instant cast shatter

2nd wind T^T

execute that one shot at 30%

25%*

[formal steppe]

focused rage mortal strikes in legion full master stack cs

[zenith marlin]

ooft

BFA slam build LOL

outta blue 40% hp slams

[uneven turret]

that was interesting..haha i put all combinations of weapon enchants into sim. Frozen deovtion x 2 simmed the highest, by quite a margin actually.

[zenith marlin]

defensive stance slaps in 3s ngl

but its shit in 2s

[zenith marlin]

whenever double dps target me I just sit defensive stance

y tf not

they loose 10% of their teams dmg output u loose 20% of urs

[brazen night]

I wish def stance was still 20/20

[formal steppe]

i wish it had pve balance

[zenith marlin]

20/20 defensive stance T^T

I'd nut

with 40% vers too pls

[native folio]

Arms-Tank warrior

at least

you feel like a warrior

[formal steppe]

and old verse trinkets

[native folio]

and not like a paper tiger

[formal steppe]

i just wish theyd treat warrior like warlocks

never underpowered, always at the top

[near delta]

I think it was mostly in s1 and subsided a lot once pvp gear wasn't bis in pve

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[formal steppe]

i was talking about season 1

[nimble jasper]

pvpers not the brightest bunch on average tho

esp meleecleave players

[near delta]

That's around the time I first started learning to play and every 2s match the other dps would have 30k more health than me lmao

[nimble jasper]

yeah but shuffle aint the answer

good healers just mald at how bad the dps who queue shuffle are

on average

[formal steppe]

give shuffle a glad mount and healers queue

[near delta]

Yeah it's also extremely biased for and against certain specs

[nimble jasper]

still wont

healers have no shortage of q’s

unless you’re crusader with an attitude problem

or metaphors

[near delta]

Does shuffle really need to have damp starting so high

[formal steppe]

if there is a unique reward in shuffle that is good and not in 3v3 they will queue

[zenith marlin]

no give shuffle 3 dps 3 dps literally fixes the problem no need to thig

[near delta]

That is hell lol

[zenith marlin]

once again, throw us into the pit see who kills most

hell for cowards and sissies maybe

[near delta]

And warrior would be bottom tier

[zenith marlin]

HEAVEN FOR EXECUTE DADDIES

[nimble jasper]

that would just be a zugzug clown fiesta

[undone pumice]

u mean what blizz wants us to do in wqs?

[nimble jasper]

who does those

[formal steppe]

you could do 4v4 with 3 dps each

[nimble jasper]

past the first 2 weeks

[undone pumice]

its that i have to do wpvp at all ever

[zenith marlin]

i mean some healers die as if its 3dps 3 dps anyway

[undone pumice]

rather kms than grind those 200 again thank god its 100 now

[zenith marlin]

i love how looting stupid chests give 5 each

[formal steppe]

just collect chests it was fine before

[zenith marlin]

but actual pvp killing blows give 1

[formal steppe]

worldquests + chests + hyper rares was ez quest

but avoid pvp xd

[zenith marlin]

god forbig pvp in warmode

xd

[undone pumice]

w pvp is fun and cool when youuse a pest fogger to spit some nolife at cobalt off the edge and delete his buffs but not when you're just trying to do a fkin race and keep dying in the countdown ngl

[sharp meteor]

real and true

[high creek]

seeing a lot of the top warriors as arms hmmmm

[winged quest]

guys i need help

i already ask but i need more advices

i'm arm

and i have the choice between leg set

and weapon mastery pvp

what would u do ?

[formal steppe]

i got these trousers as well they are bis but the weapon is good as well of course

[quaint snow]

yo guys the drakebreaker weapon, doenst matter if sword or polearm both have same stats right?

[soft idol]

Polearm for fury PvP arena right?

[sharp meteor]

mastery good

crit less good

[uneven turret]

prob trying it out

[steep inlet]

ofc

[shut flower]

is it worth as fury to use a pve tier piece to get your 2 set bonus?

[bronze light]

If the PvE piece is 418 sure

Otherwise no

I don't really think the fury tier piece is that good tbh tho

[shut flower]

thanks! I thought as much just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything

[bronze light]

As fury we rarely press execute anyway, if it would have boosted our rampage, bloodthirst, avatar.. anything really other than execute it would have been much better

The most boring part about fury and arms set piece is that they are different yet almost identical. But maybe we will see more changes in the future

[weary sky]

@brazen rock hey, can you share that build you told me this morning

did you guys open the vault as fury or arms?

[stuck karma]

You open as arms, you dont wanna get a 1h

[weary sky]

yeah thats what i did!

[formal steppe]

are the crafted helm and boots actually bis for arms and fury?

or is it just for the early weeks

[brazen rock]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQIpUSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENKJSwBoJRQASSkAAAAAAAAQClkECAA

[undone pumice]

bis until next ssn afaik

[winged quest]

@formal steppe boots are bis anyway helmet not sur for fury

[formal steppe]

but there isnt anything else useful for pvp right so might as well waste the spark

[weary sky]

ty

[weary sky]

you dontlike rend?

[brazen rock]

nope

does 0 dam

[void hamlet]

i dont know much about war mode, do you want to use pvp gear in warmode or use your much higher item lvl gear your getting in pve

[weary sky]

arms is sooo much fun. missed it

they are going to nerf arms dmg im seeing it

fuck

[calm plover]

What does faster, ret or arms?

Dies

[winged quest]

arm

[formal steppe]

shall i craft the pvp helmet or is there something better to spend the second spark on?

[winged quest]

boots$

[formal steppe]

ye i have boots

[winged quest]

helm so

[ancient cedar]

Craft it if you have boots bro

[formal steppe]

is there something better for the second spark

[winged quest]

unless if u pve

[formal steppe]

char is full pvp

[winged quest]

helm so

[ancient cedar]

Helm it is

[formal steppe]

ty

[uneven turret]

Depends on how good your pve gear is. The pvp set doesn’t activate its pvp ilvl unless you engage in combat with another player. Considering the nature of warmode ,being jumped by someone at any given sec, and the fact that 340 honor gear is more than enough for world content, I would wear pvp gear in warmode always.

A rogue could jump out at any sec and rip your as#$%s in half

[void hamlet]

ok thanks i didnt know the item lvl changed when engaged in combat thats very useful cheers

[uneven turret]

Its new in DF. Used to be different.

I just figured out why i thought world pvp was full of the oppisite faction yesterday….so dumb….world pvp areas are actually FFA, everyone is hostile.

[copper hare]

Wtf is that bug now, all 6 players got removed from solo shuffle and got a 15 min deserter debuff aswell

[kindred viper]

Can't even queue

[uneven hemlock]

In shadowlands just the act of having warmode on activated the PvP gear, now you need a buddy on the opposite faction to throw a rock at you to make use of it in any pve way.

[copper hare]

Oh, EU shuffle down maybe?

[kindred viper]

Looks like it's affecting everything

[brazen rock]

na shuffle is bad too

22 min in que, get in, kicked, 0 cr change, 15 min deserter

[deep meadow]

Heyyyy. I am playing fury, and I find that I very often get outdamaged by rets, dks, locks, other warriors, dhs (think this is normal).
Does anyone have any general tips for me to do more damage?

Or maybe a reference to some resources i can use?

[quick carbon]

Rets dks locks dh will usually put damage you tbh, and if the other warrior is arms I wouldn’t take it too seriously, arms does more damage rn I think

[deep meadow]

So what is fury's usp?

[quick carbon]

usp?

[deep meadow]

Unique selling point. Like what does dirty being that other specs might not?

Im trying to figure out whay i csn do to close games, other than just pve something and hope it works

[dapper cypress]

fight against prot war in arena 1v1 fuck me

[spice hornet]

it is so unfun to play with a priest healer right now with warlocks everywhere just puttinga fat ass imp curse on you that lasts too long

[zenith marlin]

ngl they should actively change pvp reward points by spec kekw

[deep meadow]

My goal this season is to get 1900. That shoulsnt be an impossible goal, there must be a way. Fury isnt rocket science

[quick carbon]

fury is definitely capable of that

[uneven turret]

what u guys think about

/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/cast [known:376079, @placid quiveror] Spear of Bastion; [known:384318] Thunderous Roa

[zenith marlin]

meh

not a fan

[uneven turret]

why

[copper hare]

ok for pve, sucks ass for pvp

[zenith marlin]

GCD etc

[uneven turret]

no GCD issue

[uneven turret]

haven't tried it yet but i think it wastes a rampage right? should get a rampage after reck/avatar

[copper hare]

There is also a lot of situations where you dont want to use spear like a zug zug tard

you can bind reck avatar, but still have them separately aswell for root break

for examples when you go for setup on a healer, that has a lot of mobility specially

you stun him > pop cooldowns and then use spear right before the stun expires

[brazen rock]

spear can also be used defensively to peel.

[uneven turret]

hmm think ill bind reck to spear, then leave avatar by itself for breaking roots

[copper hare]

fury has 2 buttons

but do what you want :D

[green wyvern]

I would rampage first and then cast roar/spear

but swifty macro is fine for fury

[vocal root]

hey boys what conquest weapon do you buy for fury

[undone pumice]

new comp just dropped

sin arms

[uneven turret]

define dropped

[undone pumice]

it feels not all too shit to play and it sounds too dumb for anyone to have tried

i call it emmentaler cleave

many slicing and stabbing actions

[ancient dirge]

So ur telling me, as fury

It’s better to just hit bloodthirst over execute

[lucid walrus]

yeah

[ancient dirge]

What a world

[lucid walrus]

for everything except rage gen

spec makes no sense

[copper hare]

there is a reason why fury set in pve is like 2% gain

execute is horrible

[deep meadow]

Rampage -> bt -> execute?

Genuinely might be super helpful info

Ranpage does the most damage right?

[brazen rock]

rampage bb bb bt rampage bb bb bt rampage.

[zenith marlin]

just go fury arms as a comp

strap any healer

[undone pumice]

do not go lumberjack cleave

you lose your sanity

[deep meadow]

How do i enchants 😦

[pearl prism]

The top comp at the moment in arena is hpal/hpal/hpal

[zenith marlin]

go mongolian crackhead cleave

[pearl prism]

All 3 use 2h axes and wield fierce holy power

[zenith marlin]

which is appearantly 2 frost dks and 1 ret

[uneven turret]

so....fury really don't have any cleave/aoe outside of Odyn's fury right

[ancient dirge]

You can hit whirlwind

And then saw “wow that move sucks”

[zenith marlin]

then cleave a phatt rampage

[uneven turret]

can't cleave ww

[pearl prism]

For fury, Whirlwind should have 15% chance of instantly killing an enemy player within 10 yards if that player has any trinket equipped

This would force opponents to have to unequip their trinkets when fighting fury

[formal steppe]

i almost never press slam because of low cooldown of rampage and bt is that normal

[tawny river]

is it troll to put haste enchant on weapon as arms?

i don't need more crit

and don't want to spend 100k for main stat proc

[stiff dust]

Versa?

[arctic igloo]

Yes you never press slam if you have nothing else to press

[stiff dust]

Im pretty sure they gonna nerf arm next week :(

[brazen rock]

doubtful.

[arctic igloo]

I doubt that lol

[green wyvern]

why would they nerf the worst melee class

[stiff dust]

2-3 shot kek

[weary sky]

na

[uneven turret]

u mean arms gets 2-3 shot right? lol

[spice hornet]

havent seen many bm hunters in 2s until today, they actually do so much dam

[copper hare]

yeah bm is nutty

the more they jump the more dmg they do

[quick carbon]

I Wouldn’t call arms the worst melee

[brazen night]

they need to bring back the OG second wind that heals when stunned

[eager mortar]

my solo shuffle is broken

[thick reef]

Working as intended

[arctic igloo]

Nah I don't think arms is worst melee atm. But definitely doesn't need a nerf

[copper hare]

Pretty hard to argue against enh sham being the worst now

[quick carbon]

i think frost dk is unironically the worst

[wheat jay]

Survi

[arctic igloo]

Surv is worst I'm pretty sure

[onyx vale]

I agree on frost dk being the worst

[wheat jay]

Where my dmg

[quick carbon]

but it isn’t BAD

It’s just the worst melee

[arctic igloo]

I've played against one survival and they did nothing

[wheat jay]

Survi dmg got castrated my man

[copper hare]

just play like bicmex

[wheat jay]

Well

Dmg still low

[quick carbon]

I think in the melee tier list arms warriors is actually A tier bruh not even trolling you

[wheat jay]

Plenty of tools to outplay tho

Need my 10.0.5 for massive dmg boost

[quick carbon]

survival is so fun tho

[eager mortar]

just nerf rogue :))

[quick carbon]

like it’s thematically one of the coolest specs

[arctic igloo]

I would argue arms is better than fury now

[green wyvern]

dh/dk/rogue still way better than warrior

[copper hare]

Which of the three S tier specs?

[onyx vale]

always nerf rogue

[quick carbon]

frost dk isn’t better than warrior

[green wyvern]

frost is boring anyway

pve spec

[arctic igloo]

Can't forget monk

[quick carbon]

unholy dk and warrior is still an argument

not some case where unholy dk massively shits on warrior

In every way

[green wyvern]

in most cases it does after recent buffs

damage is straight up that bigger

[eager mortar]

where is the tier list

[wheat jay]

I know

Where dmg tho

[onyx vale]

unholy dk is very spicy after the pve buffs

[quick carbon]

dk has always historically brought more damage than warrior

[wheat jay]

Feral was doing 50k dps in shuffle today

[quick carbon]

dks problem is never it’s damage

[wheat jay]

I do 20

[arctic igloo]

I should've played surv sooner, it's always looked fun but I never learned it

[copper hare]

only good survival was in MoP

[arctic igloo]

[quick carbon]

warrior brings utility that dk just can’t match tho

[copper hare]

spec*

[wheat crane]

Feral frenzy ticked on me for like 39k today

[wheat jay]

Nah

[wheat crane]

Absolute insanity

[wheat jay]

40% of his dmg was rip rake

Or the other dot

[wheat crane]

Yea rip/rake

[quick carbon]

im not saying warrior or dk is better than the other in just saying it’s not as clear cut as some ppl think

Best melee is actually feral I swear

[wheat crane]

Frenzy is a dot tho too

[quick carbon]

Feral is absurd

[wheat crane]

40k ticks

[wheat jay]

I need my 10.0.5 buff so I can do 30k fury of the eagle ticks

[quick carbon]

nerf feral

To the ground

[copper hare]

ironically I haven't faced a single feral in 2s

but assa prevoker every game

[wheat crane]

Its just rogue priest but all the priest rerolled

[quick carbon]

I feel like sin rogue and feral r about the same ya ur right

[wheat crane]

So its the same dudes

[onyx vale]

maybe its not rogue or feral

but leather classes that are the problem

ever thought of that

maybe we should delete all leather classes

[wheat crane]

You might be on to something

[onyx vale]

[wheat crane]

Fuck leather

[quick carbon]

I mean unironically think dh is fine LOL

Maybe I’m tripping

[wheat crane]

It is kinda fine

[onyx vale]

after 50 nerfs i hope they are starting to be fine

[wheat crane]

Alot of its meter dmg is soulrend pad

[quick carbon]

because as warrior u can kinda just 100-0 them every stormbolt anyway

[wheat crane]

Its like saying affi dmg is ridiculous

It is but alot of its pad

[arctic igloo]

Yeah dh isn't as crazy anymore

Still good

[copper hare]

pro tip, focus in kicking eye beam and they do zero dps

can't use essence break and gg

[wheat crane]

Its also like tge only fury generator on the souprend builds

So if you kick beams quick you fury starve them pretty hard

[quick carbon]

there are other builds where they aren’t depending on eyebeam tho

Some builds don’t use furious gaze

[spice hornet]

feral damage is too high

[wheat crane]

Wayyy too high

But i think its getting nerfed in 10.5

[sharp meteor]

how does this even make sense

eye beams are generally covered or out of range anyways

also nobody plays gaze

[copper hare]

dh can't use essence break if you kick eye beam, that's their whole burst

I never talked about gaze

[sharp meteor]

they still get mini meta tho