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ancient lotus
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Stat prio for fury?

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Heres my talents

sharp meteor
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No.

uneven turret
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is the difference between frozen devotion and frozen writ big

left scarab
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my rogue friend said frozen devotion isnt worth a wank

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some here have said its good tho 🤷‍♀️

uneven turret
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so what do we enchant

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frozen deovotion seem to be popular amongst top dogs

sharp meteor
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My poor Priest got blown up the other day and I checked the dmg of the enemy cleave and 11 and 14% of their dmg was frozen devo.

magic bolt
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anyone have a good intervene macro for solo shuffle so i cant have to try and use mouse over or doing party 1 and 2

sharp meteor
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I dun wanna pay 200k for chants.

sharp meteor
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or sortgroup maybe

magic bolt
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yeah thats what i was trying to avoid, i heard Mud had a macro that automatically detects healers and dps so its always the same bind for healer vs dps

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not sure if that is true tho

full quiver
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@magic bolt

sharp meteor
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epic

full quiver
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Deepak the big brain macrk master

vale ibex
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would you say crit = mastery? and if not, is there a point where crit becomes less useful?

thick reef
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for Unhinged it's for sure Crit > mastery for Spear synergy and burst potential. Mastery pulls ahead for Skullsplitter or normal bleed builds.

near delta
muted surge
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@knotty atlas pls

knotty atlas
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W

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delicate bronze
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yo how do you disable blizzards debuffs on enemy nameplate i only want my addons to do things like that

muted surge
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@knotty atlas pin that pls

knotty atlas
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You guys really need more organised PINS.
Instead of random macros.
"Below you can find the macros for .......................................:
Insert Macros here"

muted surge
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Yea idk i wish we had someone todo that!

knotty atlas
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Jeah, idk, just create the messages properly.

muted surge
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Nyo

full quiver
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Just came up in convo

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And then Deepak whipped out some s tier macro lol

delicate bronze
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what do they do?

thick reef
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does PVP not have a dedicated mod anymore for stuff like that?

knotty atlas
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No, you're stuck with me.

thick reef
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I was mod here in Legion before I quit.

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fair nuff.

muted surge
knotty atlas
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PvP people got too wild.

thick reef
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yeah that doesn't surprise me.

delicate bronze
brittle swift
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how often are you guys getting boxes from arena wins

rare ibex
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Every 4th win, isnt it?

edgy flax
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Yo guys what is the best talents for fury pvp

crude bane
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havoc

fickle forge
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Eyo is it possible to combine this to 1 macro with key modifiers? 🤔

near delta
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It has keybind only macros

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Ohhhh'

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I see what you mean

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I think?

fickle forge
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Yah you get right

near delta
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Can you give a bit more deets

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Like what's the use case

fickle forge
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Dps for unmodified and healer for mod:shift, for an example

near delta
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Oh yeah that's easy

fickle forge
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So I can just hold shift and execute the healer sequence on the same button

near delta
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So all this does is set the macros

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Well change them

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You put the macros their modifying wherever you want in your bars

fickle forge
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😎👍

near delta
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So like 2 and 3 are intervene dps and healer for me

fickle forge
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Screw making a 50 line names macro

crude bane
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solo shuffle statement

fickle forge
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This is the future

near delta
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If you want to set a whole bunch of stuff with this, you'll have to use macro toolkit

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It lets you set super long macros

cinder lake
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Is it worth to drop 1 versa-haste gem from the neck and craft the gem with primal chaos that gives prim stat and haste?

polar jetty
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why is all the gear haste and vers and no crit really

severe skiff
cinder lake
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@severe skiff Hmm ok.But how it is increased?Does it get full ilvl depending of the materials quality you will buy?

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I mean increased stats.

severe skiff
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Quality of materials helps the crafter produce a higher rank, but the majority of that is on the crafters specialization + skill level

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most crafters who can make it can 100% a rank2 diamond if you use a rank3 normal gem, and a rank2 diamond

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is no reason to use a rank3 diamond

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it will take an inspiration proc to produce a rank3, which is usually around 20% chance

cinder lake
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Ok understood

severe skiff
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so very likely you get a rank2, small chance at getting a rank3 diamond

cinder lake
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Thanks for the information!

severe skiff
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np

grave forum
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Any horde player want to help me kill this group of toxic alliance player camping fields of ferocity? They are killing noob hordes.

steep inlet
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you don’t even say if it’s EU or US

grave forum
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US

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sorry i didnt know it was international since everyone speaks english

hard hound
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Lmao US think they are the only English speaker in the world xD

copper hare
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Best thing I've read this year

steep inlet
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What the fuck did I just read

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@grave forum it’s an international discord meaning we speak English (not US :p) to understand everyone

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Im french and there is all nationalities

raw summit
steep inlet
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Don’t start with French xenophobia again Phil pls

raw summit
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gladge again

silk flicker
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Hol up

raw summit
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Was a good game yesterday, can be proud of it

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2026 for sure

steep inlet
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yeah

mystic barn
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whats a french xenophobe

raw summit
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A frenchman scared of/hateful towards foreigners

mystic barn
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@raw summit @steep inlet

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oh

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why are you afraid of foreigners troma

raw summit
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The way he means it is that i am acting that way towards the french

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When it's just a funny on the internet to 🤢 anything french since they eat peepos

brazen rock
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are yall bullying troma because a bunch of paid actors lost a game of kickball?

raw summit
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Nah not cuz of soccer

mystic barn
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bullying?

raw summit
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Cuz he plays prot ratge

brazen rock
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ohh

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carry on keks

mystic barn
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how do you do it phil

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like this?

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french 🤢

steep inlet
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I was talking about phil hating French

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Not the first time

mystic barn
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oh

raw summit
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Hate em so much man grrr 😡😡

mystic barn
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racist

raw summit
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gladge Mondays

pearl prism
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Hi everyone is this the paladin or Hunter pvp discord? I am new to Dragonflux

steep inlet
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wtf

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with a big fucking warrior sword icon

raw summit
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It's the bad SV hunter discord

pearl prism
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Oh wow okay

raw summit
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Arms is the 2nd best not dk or paladin only hunter or warrior only one 2h class

cinder thorn
lean burrow
pearl prism
tacit dew
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Best 2s comp for fury/ dps ?!

left scarab
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feral 2

cinder lake
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Guys the opener lets say with spear is like: Spear-Pop Recklessness and avatar then you instant pop odyn's fury again or you save it after ur cds are gone so you can get again a mini avatar?

sterile carbon
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i save it for when avatar runs out to extend it a bit

tranquil raven
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I tend to pop odin depending on how many opponents i hit with it... When theres mlre than one in range, i pop it even when avatar is still up

manic gyro
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Yo guys, what of the following classes works best with preservation/fury/x? Enha, unholy or ret?

ember totem
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Hey all how is the solo queues atm? Shorter? Longer,

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?

bright stream
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seems like 20-30 at 2100+

wheat jay
brazen rock
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Reminder that the move is arms on Tuesday copium

opaque peak
lean burrow
somber comet
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But I like pressing 2 buttons.

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😦

brazen rock
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Hey if fury is fun for you play it, I'm bored as shit PVEing people and still losing to DH/assa by virtue of numbers alone

high kindle
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I think fury is perfect for some button mashing PvP, just to chill, but it is way too boring to main the spec

mild thunder
hard hound
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what is the best healer for a fury dh comp guyes ?

drowsy depot
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Evoker/druid is the answer to most of the healer questions

steep inlet
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mw too

drowsy depot
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Mw has a higher skill cap for defensive play imo

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Druid and evoker plays the game for you

mild thunder
wheat jay
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Needs dmg buff 100%

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Shit's doing 15k dps sadge

warped warren
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artji hardcoping his dog dps is because of the spec

wheat jay
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I'll be trying new build next session tho

mild thunder
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rip, no wonder i havent seen a single sv hunter yet keks

wheat jay
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Its objectively bad

mild thunder
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why are none of the fun specs good anymore sadge

wheat jay
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But it still has Giga outplay potential

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So i guess im fine with that

mild thunder
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new co assault seems fun at least

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mongoose bite lame af toh

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tho*

wheat jay
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It is

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I mean

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Mongoose i dont care too much

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I dont like bombs/Serpent doing zero damage

wooden grove
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They really fucked sv

wheat jay
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And fully stacked mongoose hitting for 30k

wooden grove
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Losing that tier set was a big ole ripperoni

wheat jay
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Fury of the eagle getting HUGE buff tho

mild thunder
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ngl i hated sv tier set

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it was strong af but so boring

wheat jay
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It was bad

wooden grove
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Basically made it a two button spec but damn did it hit like a truck

mild thunder
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fun > OP

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unless you're a meme spec

wooden grove
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But now it’s not fun or op

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Because sv is a meme spec

wheat jay
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I mean

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It is just as fun as s2

elfin surge
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hello warrior friends

wheat jay
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Even more actually cuz zero rng in the class

mild thunder
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im also pissed they ruined feral

wheat jay
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But the dmg is not there

mild thunder
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the PW playstyle every game is omega cringe

mild thunder
wooden grove
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You don’t want feral to be bleed based? That was the main complaint of every feral player.

mild thunder
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bleed based good

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but PW requires 0 brainpower

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because there's no actual dot maintenance

elfin surge
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damage is very good

mild thunder
elfin surge
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but it instantly dies to anything

mild thunder
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i watched your arms 2s attempt the other day

elfin surge
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with a viewer?

mild thunder
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yea

elfin surge
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yea arms sucks

mild thunder
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stop! copium

elfin surge
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i qd some with challengerz last night

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getting emoted by assa rogue/rdruid teams 💀💀

mild thunder
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cringeeeee

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were you running exploiter?

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most fun build imo but it just doesnt feel right

elfin surge
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i dont think so

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I was playing rend with battlelord

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rotation is fun

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dying isnt

mild thunder
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the DF arms experience peepo

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dw, they have to fix dstance eventually, right?... right??

elfin surge
wheat jay
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Dstance is good

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Can't have equal values cuz y'all turn into pussies

mild thunder
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i would give my firstborn for a 20/30 dstance split

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equal values is probably a little too strong, but 10% is literally irrelevant

elfin surge
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arms should destroy rogues

mild thunder
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blizz has never cucked out as hard as they did the day they gave rogues a disarm

elfin surge
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rogue having disarm was a mistake

vapid rover
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And double vanish

elfin surge
mild thunder
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remember the 20s CDR on vanish? wasnt that so cool to verse? 😐

vapid rover
elfin surge
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rdruid arms and pres arms prob best

vapid rover
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Okay, i play with q disc too, atm at 1k7-1k8 cr and i feel it work good

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With fatality build its good i just call him « ok we gonna push him to 35% hp then he die »
Pretty fun

modest rapids
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Playing that too. One of us either blows up or disc goes oom :<

thick reef
# elfin surge rogue having disarm was a mistake

"Lets give Rogue every form of CC, debuff, and disruption imaginable and multiple ways to reset a fight, and what the hell a few strong flat percentage DRs. And lets put some these on no cooldown via poison"

thick reef
lean burrow
brazen rock
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"We felt that rogue lacked control as a melee dps in pvp formats. So we're adding a function to crippling poison that roots after 5 applications. Happy holidays!"

vapid rover
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😂

neat hound
vapid rover
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Look fair !! ( no)

neat hound
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Where fear

brazen rock
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"Shadowstep now roots the target for 3 seconds, this root does not break from the rogues damage sources"

neat hound
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F tier class smh my head

vapid rover
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No bump too

brazen rock
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"Also we've buffed mortal strike and execute damage by another 30%"

lean burrow
vapid rover
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At this rate maybe MS and Exec gonna one shot so no need for survivability

lean burrow
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So dstance should be 5/25

mild thunder
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anyone know if nerfed bloodletting is better or worse than 1 point in bloodborne?

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its 1am, cbf doing math

elfin surge
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friendly stepping teammates make it impossible to kill a sub rogue i swear

vapid rover
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The trinket set stack with Orc racial ?
Like we have 20% stun, 15% all other ?

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Or just 20% stun from racial and no more ?

mild thunder
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no

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just 20%

vapid rover
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Wtf

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Its sht

mild thunder
mild thunder
vapid rover
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I can understand it cant stack with the racial so impossible to have 35%

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but let the racial + 15% to other cc

mild thunder
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that would also be stupid lmao

vapid rover
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How Orc can be still the best horde race O_o

mild thunder
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orc just getting a flat 15% reduced cc duration? 15% sttun duration is already OP as fuck

vapid rover
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Yeah

mild thunder
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yea... no

vapid rover
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They should rework the racial from orc

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Remove it, and make all class equal to the pvp trinket set

wooden grove
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Yeah orc racial has been an issue for a hot minute instead of reworking they just nerfed it with the PvP set

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It’s fine and orc isn’t nearly as good as it was

cinder thorn
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Haven't the greens kins had enough of a pvp advantage all these years?

vapid rover
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Yeah its fine but,
If you put a set thag give to every one -15% to All cc, you should make it work for all race.
Even if that need to rework or remove the orc racial.
Orc racial was always a problem i dont understand why just not cancel it

cinder thorn
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I suppose orcs can equip non pvp trinkets without losing the set bonus that everyone else needs two trinkets for

vapid rover
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But the set trinket give 600 str and 1500 stam

weak iris
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Hey guys. is it worht gearing up fury for pvp? Im a little afraid its gonna be nerfed to the ground once im fully geared

vapid rover
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They normalize ilvl gear in pvp and its good, they want to put a cc bonus, but keep the unbalance of racial

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Its like you make your work at 90% good and clean, and the 10% other like « ah sht im tired let’s release like that » for the most simple part x)

cinder thorn
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Do you think human racial is better? Whichever trinkets I use puts the human racial on cooldown also so pretty much useless

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I don't complain

vapid rover
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Its an usable spell, shared with pvp trinket with a CD strong, but fair

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If human decide to not take pvp trinket they can only remove stun

worthy fern
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Orc racial should just be like a resource buff or something

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10 prevent rage/energy/mana

vapid rover
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Agree

worthy fern
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10 percent extra mana might be op but the other ones seem fine

vapid rover
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Or things like 2% /rage/energy/mana cost reduce
2% dmg dealed or reduced under 30% hp
0.5% on main stats
Things like that

spice burrow
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they need to do some active racials the passive ones are boring af

spare rover
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blizz just made human/orc racials less relevant which is good

overhauling all of them to something completely new doesn’t make much sense and probably doesn’t warrant extra rebalancing. I’d rather have all racials more or less irrelevant so you’re not screwed if you cba to reroll race

round flax
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do we use the BB or CB build in pvp? i see BB build in pins but also using battle trance to heal with raging blow

thick reef
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both the wpvp 2hers are crit vers why blizzard why

full quiver
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Idk I feel like my dks should be dark iron dwarf now lol

lethal sandal
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i kinda am at a loss here. almost every class it seems has something with which they can get immune to slaughterhouse stacks. it feels like every healer somehow can use a def cd or whatever and when i hit em with rampage it does not apply ms effect

full quiver
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That doesn't sound right

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Unless you're doing it into stasis and bop

thick reef
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I swear some of these shuffle matches I have no control over what happens lmao

hard hound
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any advice for 3s fury dh rdrood guyes please ?

elfin surge
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my disc priest found a new build...

thick reef
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Lol oh no

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Don't let the priest discord see this

vapid rover
fickle forge
thick reef
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How viable is fury feral 2s yall think

lucid walrus
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not

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fury can at least stay immortal for 12 seconds with ER provided it’s not stunned and on target

crystal laurel
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question guys

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can you disarm pally when they have bop buffs?

thick reef
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Yea, i played it yesterday and we won most of our games but I was starting at 0cr cause i hadent queued 2s yet so

crystal laurel
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thats lame

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what about divine shield

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you can disarm them rte?

lucid walrus
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nope

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disarm doesn’t do much to ret anyway

crystal laurel
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yeah that class just counter us in 1v1

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in 2v2 arena its rough if they have a ret

lucid walrus
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everything counters us 1v1

thick reef
sly walrus
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@elfin surge oink

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🐽

full quiver
rotund magnet
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Okay well I guess I just read enough lmao

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I’m thinking about swappingng to mistweaver or disc priest …. I can’t seem to do enough dmg to kill them

cunning finch
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hey guys if i am new to pvp and want to start some solo shuffle should i go arms or furry? (Easier to pick up)

thick reef
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Fury probably atm

civic storm
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Fury

graceful ginkgo
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Fuck fury

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They’re in every single shuffle

turbid ember
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Right next to DH

short glacier
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Feels so good to play 😎 double dps 2s has been a blast as fury. Did frost/fury to 1000 and feral/fury to 1400 yesterday

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Only lost to DH/healer

vapid rover
left scarab
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ye tbh watching mud play with a healer in 2s is painful. surely double dps is way to go

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but then again at his lvl u prob need healer idk

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its in a different planetary orbit to my level 😅

vapid rover
vapid rover
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War should play with a hearler, double dps can cheese some game, but its not eternal.

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Except RM maybe

rotund magnet
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I lose to disc healer mistwalker every time

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Im just swapping to healers this season. I play dps all@the time

muted surge
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You lose vs double heal?

rotund magnet
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And disc priest just looks unkillable

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No comps like, disc priest affliction / disc priest feral/ disc priest reptile

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Disc priest ret**

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1400 it sucks. 🥲

opaque ether
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anyone know what addon is this?

tribal wedge
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gladius?

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imo

thick reef
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it is gladius

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my gladiatorlosssa keeps resetting itsself and turning on every abilitie tff

thick reef
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Speaking of add-ons, are there any people would recommend?

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Only real essential addon is a DR tracker of some kind and maybe a cooldown tracker.

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sArena and OmniBar are both good.

polar pelican
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jo guys just a random question. what do you think after arms buffs this week is fury still better or arms in arena ?

thick reef
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Yes. Arms problem was not addressed at all

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Unless arms starts literally one shotting people from 100%, they will remain below fury till their none existent survivability is addressed

tribal wedge
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unless they nerf again fury, and the two of us get global by every one deadge

thick reef
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Or that, I don't want to consider that

trail wharf
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Hi guys, I'm pretty new to PvP so apologies in advance but what addons/weak auras would you guys generally recommend for BG's/arenas? thanks in advance 🙂

thick reef
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6 straight shuffles with 0 rating change im losing my mind

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What's your current rating?

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And be glad it didn't go down I suppose

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it had already been going down i shot up to 1950 and then tanked to 1700 lol

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wouldn't think that Arms has low survivability, interesting take lol.

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No shield barrier kinda sucks but other than that it feels pretty decent.

thick reef
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Losing ignore pain and the def stance nerf has crippled arms

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Dunno I've enjoyed the new imp victory, 20% reduc on reflect and BI heal.

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def a tradeoff.

tribal wedge
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won't help you if u die within a rogue stun :/

thick reef
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Which is fine. They're still the squishiest melee at the moment.

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They have some tools, just not near enough

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yeah warrior has always been one of those melee that you kinda just gotta play super well with dstance management and anticipation.

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just a downfall of the class' design.

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If you don't pre d a big kidney go and you don't have trinket you kinda just lose.

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dont think d stance managament has anything to do with it

tribal wedge
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d stance won't help you to sruvive a kidney ^^

thick reef
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That's a bad hand wave given theyve lost so many tools and leaned heavy into borrowed power. Likewise while you are right that their class design leans on having a support, the problem is no one else can say the same anymore

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Arms is MoP class design in a DF meta

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wasn't a hand wave, was agreeing that warrior is susceptible to setup comps if you get caught in battle.

summer tiger
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Arms getting damage buffs might allow it to perma d stance at some point. I also feel like it'll scale with gear very well due to it's reliance on crit.

thick reef
summer tiger
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It also has straight up better honor talents than fury, so at some point it might overtake it with better gear and such. The big damage offenders are getting nerfed as well, assa rogue and mm specifically which is an indirect buff.

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Time will tell, as for now. Fury is just better.

tranquil hemlock
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I tanked from 2050 to 1750

thick reef
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Again, you can argue the warrior class design. But it remains that fury was given better tools and you have to acknowledge that the removal of the borrowed power systems hit arms harder than most in this respect due to needing them far more

tranquil hemlock
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You’ll get the rating back

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You have to carry to climb

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Nature of solo q

brazen rock
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i mean you can just simply say losing condemn + ip + def stance nerf crippled the spec

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and it doesn't help assa rogue and DH can just PVE down anyone they want.

thick reef
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Arms is incredibly squishy and lack in survival tools, it's just fact

tranquil hemlock
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Sure or you can accept where the class is at and still climb, healers have the power again, like in legion

brazen rock
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i dont think hes not accepting it?

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lol wtf

summer tiger
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Lets be real, the only reason fury is better rn is two fold. It does better with current gear, and it also has self heals. Utility wise arms does better. And honestly when it can cleave it already does more damage than fury. Imagine what that's gonna look like when you're proper stacked with crit.

tranquil hemlock
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Am I stupid? Yes I’m stupid lol

thick reef
worldly sluice
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So, if fury gets nerfed into the ground for pvp, I guess we all reroll dh/rogue? Lol

brazen rock
thick reef
summer tiger
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Banner , sharpen

brazen rock
summer tiger
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yeah storm as well

thick reef
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it's just comp dependent lol.

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Fury feels a lot stronger to me because it requires a lot less coordination to get going, esp in solo shuffle context.

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it's a lot more of an independent spec.

summer tiger
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a good arms warrior can shit on whole RM/X setups on his own. You're a huge problem to setup comps.

thick reef
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and its survivability is stronger.

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I forgot those fair enough

Should say I do wish arms would get buffed in defense. Having played one a bit it was frustrating fighting people who realize arms isvthe best focus target

summer tiger
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I think it'll scale to the point where it can sit dstance all game.

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Damage buffs are also helping

thick reef
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If only they'd stop nerfing d stance

summer tiger
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i mean it's 20% dam reduction rn yeah ?

thick reef
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I think it was nerfed to 10

brazen rock
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its 10/20

summer tiger
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Hmm tooltip still says 20 ye

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You lose 10 % dam, gain 20% reduction

brazen rock
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reverse it.

summer tiger
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Huh ? Is the tooltip lying rn ?

brazen rock
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20% lost damage, 10% reduction.

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you are looking at pve tooltip

summer tiger
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I was in pvp when I looked at it though

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weird

thick reef
#

I think that the pre-Legion design of dstance where it affects rage production was the better solution of dstance camping.

brazen rock
thick reef
#

damage reduction just feels lazy.

#

and it still encourages poor stance use.

summer tiger
#

yeah that's shit aight

thick reef
#

should be 15 10 like fury

#

Agreed, being back ignore pain, let retaliation be used in a stun

summer tiger
#

Honestly revert dstance to 20 reduction 10% dam loss. I think with impending victory ignore pain isn't a must. And the spec will do just fine after.

quaint snow
#

i fucked my mmr in solo shuffle at start, really hard to gain rating now… RIP 🪦

thick reef
#

Impending victory isn't much. Look at other class design.

summer tiger
#

The biggest thing I've noticed from testing is that arms actually can do MUCH more damage than fury when it crits. And we don't have enough crit rn.

thick reef
#

It's depressing as hell but you can learn a lot looking at other classes loadouts

summer tiger
#

I go from doing nothing to 2 globalling people

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all depending if I crit someone

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or not

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Think I hit like a 150k MS in a game once

brazen rock
#

i have 50% crit during the first 4 seconds of avatar

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should hit 55% tomm

thick reef
#

It may be true but waiting on other seasons isnt a good way of fixing XD

summer tiger
#

Conquest gear will do allot

brazen rock
#

yup, wep tomm + 2 drakebreaker pieces

#

Or if giga lucky

#

vault wep + 3 conq pieces + 2 drakebreaker

thick reef
#

do we get a spark tomorrow

brazen rock
#

no

thick reef
#

f

#

made pve gear, kinda wish i hadent

#

Fire mages had that problem. Blizzard gave them tools to circumvent the reliance to simply work

#

20/10 dstance was just shitty design.

#

imo.

#

It makes sense in an ignore pain world

#

yea like great i take less damage but now im losing the dps race even more by using this shit

green wyvern
#

Arms should have something like Fortify from PoE, the higher damage you deal with a single hit the more damage reduction you gain for the next 5 seconds

thick reef
#

As if now, for fury and arms both it just prevents them from getting the help they need

#

No defense stance at all and buffed other defensive would be the way to go. Bring them in line with other melee who being a metric ton of tools that don't cripple their damage

copper wyvern
#

I wanted to check with better warriors than I. I've been getting my pvp spec into a place where I like it and I wanted to see if I was understanding this correctly. Without the Storm of Swords talent is slam basically unnecessary? Seems like it just does less damage than whirlwind at that point and it costs rage.

thick reef
#

(also some way to counter play stealth as the lack of being able to handle that has been a constant problem)

#

? very few classes have counterplay to stealth.

cinder vapor
#

you can get the crimson glad drake skin from solo right

thick reef
#

No @cinder vapor

cinder vapor
#

F

thick reef
#

It's almost funny that the theme of the armored gladiator dragon is the crafted pve set

sharp meteor
late nacelle
#

GUYS

#

how can i crit 200k

#

like shaman

#

what spell do i click

#

highest i have seen is warbringer critting 50k

#

what button do i click for 200k crit?

brazen rock
thick reef
#

lol.

graceful ginkgo
#

Maybe the one where you heal for all their damage while spamming 2 buttons

thick reef
#

lmaooo.

graceful ginkgo
#

Oh Arms, nvm then

late nacelle
#

i play 2v2

#

game starts at 30% dampening

#

enraged regeneration

#

does jack shit

#

cant even outheal rogue dots

brazen rock
#

yeah so war in 2s is pretty dookie

elfin surge
#

yeah so like

#

warrior in 2s

#

just isnt it....

brazen rock
#

hi mud.

sharp meteor
#

Warrior is too honest and easily played around in 2s

#

Shuffle sounds like a more enjoyable time

turbid ember
#

If you don't mind 30min queues

sharp meteor
#

and shuffle might as well be called "a shadow, demo, havoc and you".

turbid ember
#

Is there anything that makes the queue more visible when the game isn't the focus? I'd like to do some mapping in PoE between queues.

#

Maybe visible isn't the right word, but just something that makes you aware that queue popped

late nacelle
#

what about that 15 sec fear talent

#

any fun to be had there?

turbid ember
thick reef
#

I did some 2s with a feral we went 18-9 even tho I was starting from 0 rating, was fun

#

Ew flicker

spice hornet
thick reef
#

I'm a basic rf inq bitch

spice hornet
#

Especially if you aren’t queueing with an rdruid or mw

thick reef
#

How bout that vaal flicker

#

It's so powerful it crashes the instance keks

turbid ember
#

Don't want to get too off-topic, but they fixed the crashing for that. But I finally get to feel like an anime swordsman protagonist w/ vaal flicker.

thick reef
#

I don't even have epilepsy and I'm pretty sure that shit would send me into a seizure

turbid ember
#

Anyways, so I'm guessing there isn't a tool/3rd party addon that alerts of queue pop at a system level or windows notification?

thick reef
#

enable Sound in Background.

#

idk.

#

A wa that spazzes out and fills your screen with warning effects?

undone pumice
#

vaal flicker?@turbid ember

thick reef
#

Different game

drowsy wasp
#

how do you guys pick between fast footwork vs 2/2 wild strike?

brazen rock
#

i just pick 2/2 wild strike every time

umbral thistle
#

fury > arms for pvp?

thick reef
#

Yes

umbral thistle
#

sadge

royal marten
#

For fury, is the warpaint talent gonna be worth taking only being at 5% reduced damage

vapid rover
lament belfry
#

If your like me who crafted boots like these

brazen rock
thick reef
drowsy wasp
thick reef
#

Oh with spear?

drowsy wasp
#

Yeah

#

Cuz I’m playing with spriest

thick reef
#

My b why I was confused I haven't been using it

drowsy wasp
#

Can you do roar with spriest?

thick reef
#

Dunno guess it depends how bad they need peel

undone pumice
#

depends on enemy comp and ur playstyle

#

if ur arms spear is generally higher value baseline cause you actually get crit

hexed geyser
#

hi guys, all the arms wars are going for full haste

#

is it so strong?

#

compared to crit / vers

vapid rover
#

i actualy play 20% haste and crit

#

(and vers obviously but every pvp gear give vers)

brazen rock
#

12% haste rest crit

#

magnus is geared for sks i think if your staring at him

uneven turret
#

Sks?

raw summit
#

skullsplitter

vapid rover
#

normaly hatse is better for bleed no ? (skullspliter proc all the bleed tics, so more haste more tics ?)

#

or bleed dont work like that anymore ?

thick reef
#

20 Dhs over 2.4k in shuffle compared to 3 fury nice

wooden grove
thick reef
#

what

leaden lynx
# thick reef what

Shuffle isn’t gonna be balanced and it shouldn’t be balanced around it

wooden grove
#

Kinda simple idea

thick reef
#

balanced around what lol

#

not even sure what youre saying

leaden lynx
#

Classes or even specs

thick reef
#

i was just making an observation

wooden grove
#

PvP balance in general

thick reef
#

not sure where i said there was anything in need of balance

wooden grove
#

Your statement itself

#

Or do you need google translate

thick reef
#

cringe gamer energy chill b

turbid ember
#

So balance should be beholden to the meta?

cinder thorn
#

How's balance for warrior now improved or still shite

wooden grove
leaden lynx
#

Warrior op

wooden grove
#

Balance around 3s

#

Duh

turbid ember
#

Solo queue is 3s, what?

wooden grove
#

What if I told you a lot of your solo shuffle rounds are decided before the gates open

#

Based purely on team comps

thick reef
#

homie was hawking the channel looking for argument lol

wooden grove
fickle forge
#

It's almost like raw damage outweights setups in shuffle, which DH just so happens to be the king of

turbid ember
#

It's not like you're playing against the same comp for 6/6 games, it's just 1/6

elfin surge
uneven turret
#

Do you guys use WW (Fury)

turbid ember
elfin surge
turbid ember
#

I'm just saying solo queue puts you in a 3v3 game. Any argument outside of that is talking from a meta perspective.

brazen rock
stuck mulch
steep elbow
#

is arms good in pvp rn or dose fury stil hold crown

#

solo shuffle is a bad idea haha u have no clue who ur gonna get or if they even care for the matchs

elfin surge
#

@stuck mulch my burst?

stuck mulch
#

feel like a noodle atm

#

im just bad tho

uneven turret
#

Do u guys use hold Badge for Reck CD?

ancient dirge
#

as fury am I buying the conquest weapon with vers & crit since there isn't one with haste?

fickle forge
viscid pawn
#

hey guys, new to fury warrior currently stacking vers and haste for pvp running annihilator build. Im confused (returning player) conquest gear lacks those secondary stats, is vers and mastery a good option too?

green wyvern
#

in lol and dota you can outfarm opponents and go 1v5

#

and csgo is a shooter

turbid ember
thick reef
green wyvern
#

if you are much better than your enemies

#

you can win solo 1 v 9

turbid ember
#

With the right class/spec

green wyvern
#

at any rating

cinder thorn
thick reef
#

At a high rating in those mobas there shouldn't be that big of a skill gap and if there is then you're probably just smurfing and I can't say that counts

turbid ember
#

God idk if I'd love or hate them adding pings/quick chats in solo queue or BGs keks

thick reef
#

Ping ping ping ping

#

Is how thatd go

turbid ember
#

People macro "Attack this target" ping to their primary spam button

thick reef
#

True but I don't look at chat

#

If it like spammed audio it'd be annoying asf

turbid ember
#

Being able to ping/highlight a kill target would be nice for solo queue is all I'm saying

thick reef
#

Yea I feel you

cinder thorn
#

Is leader not able to do that?

turbid ember
#

Probably, but the leader always shifts and it would need to be quick/dynamic

#

I could see it being done in high rated solo queue

thick reef
#

I was just thinking of dota where u can spam a ping that puts a point on the map and makes a ping sound and u can just keep pressing it lol

#

Or atleasst you used to be able to

#

Angry gamers will spam it at you if you're bad

turbid ember
#

My time in LoL is that the spammer is often the bad one (jungle main btw)

tulip bluff
#

is there a build for pvp with raging blow or only slam?=

thick reef
#

Oh well if you play jungle literally everything is you're fault you signed up for that /s

maiden grove
#

Is it still valuable to swap to shield/defensive stance if being focused real hard?

forest quest
#

Always swap to defensive stance if you're getting trained

#

Shield block if vs melee

maiden grove
#

hmm gotta find some macros for weapon swaps

forest quest
#

But use shield block for their burst tho

maiden grove
#

been a hot minute

#

Is there an all-in-one

#

swap to def, pop out shield, shield block

turbid ember
#

God getting trained messed with me. To me "trained" was getting kited out, but now it means "running train on someone'

thick reef
#

True brazzers experience

turbid ember
#

Does shield block still require defensive stance?

thick reef
#

Probably just shield

maiden grove
#

Anyone got some good swapping macros?

turbid ember
#

I liked doing this for macros
#showtooltip
/equipset shield
/use Shield Block

#

It's something like that, I'm not in WoW to test for sure

#

Then I just put /equipset 2h to all my primary abilities

#

Obviously you need to make an equipment set in the character window.

tropic panther
#

Guys, should I use Slam as fury war in pvp ?

#

I know it was not a thing in Shadowlands but now I am not sure..Im going to play this for the first time

thick reef
#

Most pressing bt and rampage

#

Once in a blue moon nothing else to press

tropic panther
#

Do i litetrary jus tuse those 2 ?

#
  • odyns fury and roar
modest rapids
#

execute

thick reef
#

They say we're a 3 button class for a reason

tropic panther
#

I love it

thick reef
#

hey yall! returning player from MoP days. How we looking for arenas? whats the go to spec

brittle swift
#

yeah fury damage feels like ass

#

damn

uneven turret
#

How do u earn primal chaos fast?

onyx vale
#

People here telling me fury is a high sustained damage spec not realising all the pressure came from the 40% mortal strike

onyx vale
uneven turret
#

Wtf

onyx vale
#

rip

maiden grove
#

Are there any PVP talents ya'll would swap out against double caster teams?

#

like pally / lock / spriest

#

or any specific talents

pliant falcon
#

Is Unbridled Ferocity bugged for anyone else?

#

It procs but I don't see the buff or the Crit increase on my stat sheet

thick reef
#

is the proc rate for Insignia of Alacrity known?

gentle depot
#

tomorrow the arms dream comes back gladge

clear pine
wooden grove
#

Me and a friend had two different experiences with getting chests in ranked. He was getting a chest for every arena win but I only got one for the first win.

#

Small Indy company 🤷‍♂️

uneven turret
#

I am assuming you get the box as long as the queue button shows a box?

#

Only for wins though right?

dark sparrow
#

You get guaranteed chest first win and than it’s a bit rng on how much you get (only after wins) at higher cr you do get like 3-5 primals from 1 box though

thick reef
#

I seem to get them somewhat frequently

dark sparrow
#

And every single shuffle “win” also gets you one afaik

uneven turret
#

Do we even need primal chaos after crafting two pieces of gear?

gentle depot
#

i mean you need it to craft the upgrade tokens

uneven turret
#

What upgrade tokens

gentle depot
#

wait

#

for pvp

#

nvm

#

no

#

didnt see what channel i was in ratge

uneven turret
#

And about primal infusion/concentrated primal infusion

#

I mean we do earn those from rated pvp right

gentle depot
#

i havent. only from H bosses and 11+ so far

white briar
uneven turret
#

I think u can earn primal infusion/concentrated primal infusion from rated pvp, depending on the rating

gentle depot
#

that would be weird if you can because they arent used for pvp at all

uneven turret
#

So eventually when we have a ton of spark of ingeniutiy, we can just craft a whole set of 418 pve gear

cinder thorn
#

Can someone confirm I'm not being blind here?

For the pvp crafted gear it's 20x 1500gold for blue alloy and 2x 1600g for purple + commission fee?

uneven turret
#

Too expensive for u?

#

U know how much the BIS pve gear cost to craft?

#

The recipe for elemental lariat goes for like 5-6 mil

cinder thorn
uneven turret
#

No idea, i haven’t crafted mine yet, not because its too expensive but i don’t have enough fraking primal chaos lol

#

It varies i assume

#

Commission can be anywhere from zero to infinity

#

Depending on who you get

cinder thorn
#

Thx

clear pine
#

If you want pve stats you should use q3 mats when crafting. although they more expensive

bright flume
#

love how warpaint gets nerfed because we are too durable? any other furys out there not feeling very durable anymore?

#

besides enraged regen

#

we are going to get so slapped come reset

upbeat ice
#

compared to dh, lock, spriest, etc were not

#

but compared to ret we are

mild thunder
upbeat ice
#

perspective i dont think it needed to be nerfed imo

uneven turret
#

Also from wowhead

mild thunder
#

where on wowhead does it say that?

bright flume
green wyvern
#

I think dakkroth got it from arena win at 2.4 cr in 3v3

uneven turret
mild thunder
#

ah ok, cool

wheat jay
#

What is that for?

#

Pve?

mild thunder
#

crafting PvE BoP gear

#

yea

uneven turret
#

Yeh, but would be pretty cool if we can end up building a 418 set of pve gear while doing pvp

#

Which, by the looks of it, we can

mild thunder
#

i mean, thats a bit unrealistic

uneven turret
#

I mean not anytime soon, we need 1 spark per slot

#

But sparks are supposed to be plentiful eventually

mild thunder
#

10 primal focus per piece of gear, 1 box for every 4 wins and presumably you get these at 2400+

#

definitely not likely that many people will be building full 418 sets from only pvp

uneven turret
#

Who said primal focus come from 2400+?

mild thunder
#

high-end pvp, im assuming its 2400+

#

could be 2100+

thick reef
#

its more annoying pvp and pve crafted gear both need sparks wish pvp had something different

uneven turret
#

I dont think it would be 2400+ for primal focus, probably 2400+ for concentrated

mild thunder
#

thats 418 gear

uneven turret
#

Yeh

mild thunder
#

so 418 gear would be locked behind 2400+

uneven turret
#

I mean idk what ratings you can focus/concentrated focus

mild thunder
#

well it's "high-end" pvp, and blizz usually equates mythic raiding to ~2400

#

and 418 crafted gear is acquired through mythic raiding

#

so it makes sense that it would also be acquired through 2400+ arenas

uneven turret
#

Ya thats very reasonable

#

Maybe 1800+ or 2100+ gets primal focus

#

Then 2400+ gets conceanted primal focus

#

So 1800/2100 pvper can craft set of 405

#

2400+ pvper can craft a set of 418

thick reef
#

It'll be a high bar so raiders don't feel obligated to pvp

compact heron
#

Are we supposed to be going after our tier set peices for pvp? Do the set actually work on instanced pvp?

mild thunder
mild thunder
#

otherwise you're giving up a ton of ilvl

compact heron
#

Okay didn’t know about that

#

They doing 1 peice a week again with stored charges?

mild thunder
#

no clue

thick reef
#

Also set bonuses are all turned off in arena and bg.

mild thunder
#

i mean, there wouldnt be any obligation anyway. the gear can be acquired from other places. the only time there is incentive for pveers to pvp is when gear isnt acquirable in pve

mild thunder
thick reef
mild thunder
#

yes they do

#

the bloody token tier set doesnt work in instanced pvp

thick reef
#

They're not supposed to. Even the wpvp bonuses are turned off

mild thunder
#

raid tier set works, bloody token tier set does not

thick reef
#

How stupid. That makes mythic gear better depending on the bonus

mild thunder
#

not really? the tier set is acquirable without having to mythic raid

thick reef
#

idk i dont remember hardly ever losing to rogues with azzinoth glaives back in bc keks

mild thunder
#

and none of the bonuses are that strong anyway

bright flume
#

anyone got the arms build people are running?

thick reef
thick reef
bright flume
#

same as SL

mild thunder
#

same way it worked in SL, tier set converter thing

thick reef
#

I was gone for 90% of sl

mild thunder
#

you can convert one piece into tier per week

#

keeps the same ilvl, but gets the tier bonus and whatever secondary stats are on that piece from raid

thick reef
#

itll just be lower ilvl than conquest?

#

Noooo, my versatility

mild thunder
#

nope, it'll be the same ilvl

thick reef
#

Wonder if it'll keep the pvp ilvl

#

ic, i hardly did SL too am unfamiliar

mild thunder
#

yes, it does

thick reef
#

Was that confirmed? Since the pvp ilvl is new

mild thunder
#

pvp ilvl is not new

#

and it's designed the exact same way the SL version was, and it kept the pvp ilvl

thick reef
#

how long do seasons normally last again

mild thunder
#

kinda hard to tell how long this season will last but probably 4-6 months?

thick reef
#

word

#

My bad then, good to hear on the set bonuses. Wondering if it'll be worth losing the vers since the warrior bonuses do indeed seem crap

bright stream
#

the later is more common

stoic basin
#

I think people really underplayed how hard the Slaughterhouse nerf hit

#

It not refreshing on re-hit really hurts when you play against people that can actually kite well

bright stream
lucid walrus
#

quire preferable to no tier

bright stream
#

if you pool rage and watch the drop off it seems pretty manageable post healing nerf across the classes.

stoic basin
#

But maybe later on the stream he went back on it

bright stream
#

36% vs 40%

#

its the effective average that's important

stoic basin
#

Yeah and with kiting the average drops hard for non-refresh

lucid walrus
#

you’re still at your most lethal point during full cds

bright stream
#

which is around 24-25%, but you can push it closer to 30% if you do a good job of pooling rage and refreshing it

lucid walrus
#

it’s apparently quite common to build full stacks during reck

bright stream
#

given how straight forward the spec is, I see no issues with it

stoic basin
#

Given that the higher end healers are Resto/Evoker I hate it

#

Since they kite so well

bright stream
stoic basin
#

At least SPriest/Demo tends to stay still long enough for you to smack enough

bright stream
lucid walrus
#

rdruid’s design in the past couple years has encouraged opportunistic swaps rather than kiting yourself to a loss anyway

#

you had bolt and spear and he had no tranq? bad time for the orange class dude

stoic basin
#

My buddy was 3k in Shadowlands and he's watching me and he's at a loss for what else to do lol

bright stream
lucid walrus
stoic basin
#

If I try to replay then my comp will explode trust

lucid walrus
#

it’s nice to have something other than illiterate newcomers posting questions

stoic basin
#

I appreciate it but I'll wait for him to come up with something 😄

lucid walrus
#

you sure? OBS might work well

copper hare
#

Guys, if you normally use gladius and it isn't working right now

#

this /console ActionButtonUseKeyDown 0 will fix it

lean burrow
stoic basin
#

But he says 3k so I say 3k lol

bright stream
#

also if ur bud is 3k and doesn't know what's going on, he's either too nice to tell you you're making mistakes, or didn't earn his 3k @stoic basin

lean burrow
#

S2 SL deadge

stoic basin
#

And also just cause Warrior mobility isn't nearly as good as stuff like Evoker/Druid/Havoc

#

Ngl if 2 people can carry one scrub to 3k then I'd love to know who those 2 are and how much they charge lmao

#

Arena world champs over there

bright stream
stoic basin
#

True, I guess we're all getting carried by how good Fury is atm

#

My monkey brain just ain't able to get carried by it as hard cause I don't hit the buttons as good lol

nimble jasper
#

monk is prob one of the most mobile melee in the game

#

one incap out of form is lights out for a druid

stoic basin
#

I think that did just make me realize a hueg problem with how I think about this though and the answers I've been seeing

#

Is that we all talk about it like it's a 1v1 vacuum

bright stream
stoic basin
#

As if the Druid doesn't have 2 other people to help if he gets incapped out of form

#

Which leads to really linear thinking

#

So at least that's something, I gotta not think about it as much as a 1v1 and think more about what to do with a comp vs the other comp

nimble jasper
#

yeah i mean sometimes

#

you just have to force druid into bad spots

#

which is 100% harder if he plays with wizards

bright stream
#

@stoic basin it sounded like if you did replays/recordings your teammates would rage? If so, get new teammates, those kids are going to throw tantrums/rage eventually anyway.

stoic basin
#

Oh no the 3k dude is super chill

#

Just can't play as much these days cause it ain't Covid times and wife/work etc

acoustic eagle
#

anyone know if the weapon enchant goes away if you upgrade one of the pvp weapons to the epic version

lean burrow
nimble jasper
#

they can if out of form with no hots

uneven turret
#

Wait elite is 2400 this time, not 2100?

mystic barn
#

2400 has always been elite

#

2100 is duelist

uneven turret
#

What rank do u unlock the weapon tint

wheat crane
#

2.4

uneven turret
#

Damn, didn’t it used to be 2100

wheat crane
#

dont remember

wheat jay
#

Yes

#

It was 2100

#

Now its 2400

uneven turret
#

Damnnn

#

But with 2400, you unlock the elite transmorg for all your other chractesr right

wheat jay
#

Weapons, yes

#

You can buy every item

#

Weapon*

uneven turret
#

Anyone know how this works?

brazen rock
#

likely particle effects.

#

Like the lightning shit from our shoulders on elite/mythic

high creek
#

how are you guys playing vs prevoker, especially w shroud up? we have 0 cc vs them...so just pump everyone else?

wheat jay
#

And pray it gets nerfed to the ground lol

high creek
#

feelssadman

uneven turret
#

@brazen rock does it grant the mythic raiding/elite set transmorg ?

#

Or just glow

raw summit
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Just glow

uneven turret
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So it puts the glow into the LFR/Normal/Heroic sets

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And regular conquest

raw summit
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Yes

uneven turret
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So it doesn’t actually grant you the sets/transmorgs right

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Still have to earn them through whatever content

raw summit
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Ye

nocturne forge
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Hi guys, recently got into Fury cuz of Bajheera pvp vids. How the heck do I play like that

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also, any Macro tips for a fury Annihilator build?

spice hornet
thick reef
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press hard and press fast

brazen rock
brazen night
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dont even look at screen, just smash

uneven turret
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Can you get elite from solo shuffle

wheat jay
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You gotta spam arenas

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Get better at dmg first and foremost

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Then, cc and trading cooldowns

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Then, positioning

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And we can provide info and what to improve

raw summit
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And dont take shit from lfg ur doin fine

whole condor
# wheat jay Weapons, yes

Yo, are you saying if you get 2.4 on any character you can buy the elite appearances even if you don't use 2H axes on that class?

wheat crane
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negative

wheat jay
wheat jay
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But iirc there was something about being able to use other classes ensembles

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During beta

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Who knows

sharp meteor
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That didn't really pertain to pvp.

wheat jay
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@elfin surge you 2400 yet?

whole condor
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Easiest class to get 2.4k with post class changes tomorrow?

wheat jay
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Noone knows yet

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Cuz noone is full gear yet

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And there's plenty of changes happening every week

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Rn spriest is broken

brazen rock
wheat jay
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Dh is broken

onyx vale
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ffs i wanted the elite warglaives

wheat jay
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Prevoker is broken

onyx vale
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am I really going to play dh in pvp

raw summit
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New dh nerf posted just now

wheat jay
onyx vale
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Have I sunk that low

flat zephyr
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what do you guys have for your burst macro, i feel like im not doing enough damage when it counts

whole condor
wheat jay
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20% the hunt nerf

onyx vale
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did the dh players tell you that

wheat jay
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Big

uneven turret
sharp meteor
wheat jay
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Dh is busted even after nerfs

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After this nerf it will still be busted as well

thick reef
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oh

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i see

raw summit
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Real and true brother

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Kkona

onyx vale
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any other nerf?

raw summit
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Only dh

onyx vale
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sadge, I wanted to break rogue's legs

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a world without rogues

nocturne forge
uneven turret
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How hard will it be to get 2400 from solo shuffle

vapid rover
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Depend of you

wheat jay
wheat jay
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Cuz of 12h queues

uneven turret
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I mean they said they will fix the queue time right

vapid rover
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The longest but the easiest x)

thick reef
wheat jay
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Not even easiest

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Unless you're fury i guess

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Fury is strong there

vapid rover
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Atm i solo shuffle as arm

uneven turret
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The fact that there is only 3 warriors over 2400 in solo shuffle kinda scares me

severe skiff
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    Misery in Defeat now increased damage dealt to the target by 10% in PvP (was 20%).```
mystic barn
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chase b

thick reef
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until u keep queueing into demo spreiest sadge

vapid rover
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Im close to 1k9 but sure 2k4 is an is an other world, let’s see

thick reef
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gain 30 gain 32 gain 29 lose 75 FUCK

vapid rover
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Whahaha

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My friend won 5/6 round then he loose 62 kekw

thick reef
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lmao

vapid rover
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ty blizz

thick reef
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really>

vapid rover
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Yeah

thick reef
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thats cringe ive seen a 6 win gain 0

vapid rover
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Sorry to not 6/6 blizzard

uneven turret
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That means his MMR was alot higher than rest, so game expected him to be 6/6

vapid rover
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@uneven turret yeah maybe but that’s rude -62 on 5/6

thick reef
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should get 1 point for your time lol

wheat jay
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Solo shuffle is a joke

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But its also a reality check hahahaha

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Play every game with everyone from both teams

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End up 0:6