pvp

[copper hare]

you this guy?

[vapid rover]

no this comment is dulisionnal, and i never say arms is tanky, dont change my words

[fickle forge]

What even is the argument then? 🤔

[vapid rover]

actualy a target as 50% hp is enough to make him very hard to heal you dont need to put him so low

[flat dome]

Most of those things you listed require talenting into

[vapid rover]

I just say war (arms) particulary as good tool like some clase have good tool that not mean arms is "pretty" tanky x)

[fickle forge]

Point is, it's not worth spending your 1.5 min CD fear on maybe winging a decent hit

Next go you die

[weak swallow]

so like

is everyone taking warbringer now

feels like not a single match of solo i dont see it

[flat dome]

I've been messing around with demolition

[vapid rover]

first that tempo the evesaion
second just cc
third for sure you dont gonna just fear a rogue just to fear a rogue, sometimes they press evasion and you just dont care because the situation, (hello overpower dont care)

[weak swallow]

omg i thought they removed demo

blind ahh

[vapid rover]

if next go i die, its because we did mistake (me or healer) wrong trinket / cd def etc...

[fickle forge]

Yeah like

You know

Spending fear to get 1 GCD in through evas

[vapid rover]

x)

like i said it depend the situation

i play bleed build, so my 40% of my dmg is deep wound and rend, and you can still roar and overpower under evasion,

[copper hare]

I tell you another situation

sometimes you press d stance

and the enemy starts laughing

[vapid rover]

why you press Dstance ?

what is the situation ?

[copper hare]

ok you're fried

[weak swallow]

so uh

seeing people say to use both haste weapons for honor gear

but also noticed it has the lowest dps by .1

[vapid rover]

maybe you just try troll me but idk

pressing Dstance is just for specific moment

[vapid rover]

so answer me, when are you using dstance ?

[copper hare]

"and the enemy starts laughing"

that was clearly sarcastic

[weak swallow]

okay gonna try double haste 2hander

been doing vers mast / vers haste wep

to balance wep dmg

and stats

but doesnt seem to be working well

[fickle forge]

Watched Mag this morning

Watched him spec arms

Saw him pick bleed build

Goes into a 2s

Checks his meter afterwards and sees Rend and Roar doing like 13% of his total dmg

Instantly specs out again

[undone pumice]

out of what

[fickle forge]

Bleed

[undone pumice]

reasonable

[weak swallow]

can shattering throw be intervened / blocked if someone is standing in front of my target

legit tried to shatter a ret 3 times during a match and it kept hitting someone else

made no damn ssense

[vapid rover]

good question, i never try

[weak swallow]

[undone pumice]

i think intervene can tank it

[weak swallow]

but can someone stand in front

and just take it w/o intervene

[vapid rover]

what you want i tell you, i never gonna contest that
maybe arena i won is a total illusion so and i live in a lie till the start of DF 🤔

[copper hare]

did you ever stand between your healer and a hunter to soak some damage?

[weak swallow]

idk

i intervene when i see hunters using shit like steady shot

[vapid rover]

you mean like a skillshot ?

[weak swallow]

on someone

[copper hare]

and yes shattering throw can be intervened.

[weak swallow]

nah. im asking if i use shattering

and someone stands in the middle

[copper hare]

And it doesn't matter if someone stands in between, we're not playing lord of the rings

[weak swallow]

w/o intervene

kk

just making sure i wasnt tripping

prob that war was using intervene and my blind ass didnt see

[vapid rover]

good to know i gonna look for that more now

[thick reef]

Every melee has stronger survivability than arms. Arms survivability has been entirely from borrowed power for 6 years now.

[vapid rover]

its exactly what i say

[thick reef]

I mean, its less that other classes have OP, which isnt entirely false. Just that arms is stuck with a design standard thats WAY out of date.

[vapid rover]

if every melee class have more survivability not mean you have a shity survivability

[vapid rover]

true

[thick reef]

They're MoP design in DF world.

[thick reef]

If everyone else has more survivability its exactly that you have shitty survivability since that points towards the design having more defensive options for melee that one spec lacks for no reason,

[vapid rover]

yeah, ignore pain was nice, till the moment blizzard decided to make it only 13sec CD, absorbing 50% dmg and low rage cost (make it OP)

[vapid rover]

nope it more like you are the top 10 ten best player of the world but you are the 10th
you are still good, not the best

[thick reef]

Except arms is behind just about everyone from a melee DPS standpoint. What melee spec is below them?

[vapid rover]

and what you mean by survivability ?

because maybe we dont have the same conclusion just because we dont see "survivability" at the same angle

[thick reef]

Being able to survive and/or sustain yourself. Damage doesnt mean much if you arent able to actually live long enough to bring it to bare.

[vapid rover]

Yeah the war have low sustain, but have still good method to reduce strongly the dmg

on that point i dont see how in an arena, a ww had a better survivability than a war arm

[copper hare]

my brain hurts

[vapid rover]

then dont use it

[stuck mulch]

just dont have one

[urban skiff]

if we had brains we'd be different classes

[copper hare]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-confused-huh-wtf-gif-20911403

[copper hare]

hard agree

[thick reef]

Stronger escape, low CD snare removal, more CC, good self healing, stronger and more defensive cooldowns. The only thing they lack compared to arms is a MS. Which is a big thing, unless you're with one of the many others that bring a MS.

[raw summit]

RSK does an MS

[thick reef]

lol

I didnt know that

jfc

[vapid rover]

so we had to consider how is their "good sustain" when vs a war arm you can reduce them to 50%

(and 25% every time)

[thick reef]

Have you not fought against a good WW and seen their extreme burst?

Like you seem to think arms burst is special, its not. Its just better than fury.

[vapid rover]

yeah sure their burst is exetreme

but dbs exist

[vapid rover]

and no i hadn't play vs a 2k6 monk because im a not a 2k6 player

[thick reef]

When I said good I mean one that isnt brain dead.

[vapid rover]

ah, so yes

[thick reef]

Arms just brings burst, while being a bigger liability due to being easier to kill than any other melee dps. Their burst isnt even special. Fuck, even Ret Paladins can delete massive chunks of an HP bar and they can do it more often while also not being shut down just because someone had a disarm.

[manic gyro]

Hey guys, quick question. My mates play preservation and fury/arms. What spec should i play that fits the best? Atm i’m playing unh dk. But can also play ret, feral/boomie and ww.

[fickle forge]

I wasn't refering to you though, so I guess tell me nothing?

[tranquil raven]

what weapons are you getting as fury with conquest?

[urban skiff]

There are good players below 2600

[urban skiff]

I think it depends on whether you believe in the fury or arms dream

[warped warren]

[tranquil raven]

with fury i asked 🙂 is there a haste weapon? can't seem to find it

[urban skiff]

I'm right now at the point where I'm holding points until I know more about fury vs arms

But I'd get the mastery if I trusted fury to stay strongest

[tranquil raven]

Is there any downside to macro charge into pummel? like replace pummel with this macro:

#showtooltip charge
/cancelaura bladestorm
/cast Charge
/cast Pummel

If i'm close enough to pummel, it won't try to charge, right?

[formal steppe]

Does someone else have the problem that sometimes the whole ui disappears in solo shuffle at the start of a round?

[worthy fern]

@vapid rover fight a good ww rn and you’ll see they are very hard to kill

And then throw a pres evoker on them

[crude bane]

https://www.twitch.tv/joefernandes123

90 % of warrior rn in solo

best entertainer streamer

[muted surge]

Fury

[crude bane]

why the game looks like the entire game can counter war ez

[quaint snow]

literally every dps counters us ^^

[vapid rover]

KEWK

1 spell 1 time => 60% of his dmg

what is the good "choke point" to check vs a shaman to spot he gonna os you ? that is a debuff/buff to track or something ?

i never played elem/ench so i dont know exactly how that work (exept for elem with their stormkeeper)

[brazen rock]

You're forgetting about sharpen.

[brazen rock]

Its getting nerfed by half (the talent that causes it) on Tuesday iirc.

[vapid rover]

ah ok half is fine so

that deal only 150k dmg kekw

[amber harness]

arms full crit good?

[thick reef]

The point

Your head

[cinder thorn]

Isn't the sword haste

[brazen rock]

Clearly.

[inland vault]

do you guys play with or without rend as arms?

[brazen rock]

With

[wheat crane]

when is skullsplitter hitting the bleed as well

tuesday or 10.5

[worthy fern]

I think Tuesday

Should be

[thick reef]

I feel like 10.5 is gonna be rather soon.

As in, 2-3 weeks

[worthy fern]

@wheat crane says class tuning 12/21 so it should be tues

[left scarab]

yo pvp boots. do i tip or what

[worthy fern]

Ofc

[left scarab]

whats to stop some noob taking the order and making shit boots

dont they get a skillup or something

[worthy fern]

Do you care about the pve ilvl

[left scarab]

no dont care at all

just pvp

oic

[worthy fern]

Then it doesn’t matter

[left scarab]

good point

ty

[worthy fern]

No one’s going to do it if there’s no tip tho

[left scarab]

really? why not dont they just click a button

can give a tip just not keen on giving more than 500g

[gentle horizon]

i keep getting 30min+ ques :/

for solo shuffle

[hazy isle]

I feel like im developing bad habits from shuffle and it wont be good to learn the game for real 3s. Also it feels like every match has dh sp lock and maybe assa lol

[wheat jay]

3s have same comps

Everyone plays broken comps

[wheat crane]

ugh noone does rbgs anymore

i just want vault on my alt

[worldly sluice]

Did a few normal bgs last night. Got the trinkets and pvp weapons, feels like it's gonna be a while before I get a full set and step into rated lol.

[grizzled zinc]

How long does it take to farm one crafted pvp gear?

the epic one that is, feets for instance

[proud root]

How much does it cost to upgrade 2h conq weapon?

[young patio]

I have no clue what im doing in Solo Shuffle, but Kyrain spear plus unhinged has been working out

[iron fractal]

Is it best to save up qonquest to buy a weapon first?

[brazen rock]

Yes.

Check vault before you buy

[cinder lake]

btw wednesday we kinda become more stronger if u think about it..survivability on other classes goes down more and the burst also

plus we get weapon stats and more gear..

[left scarab]

[cinder lake]

😛

think about it

it could be worse

xD

th biggest benefit though goes to dh but..

thats how th cookie crumbles..

[brazen rock]

Your not wrong but doomers will doom.

DH SP prevoker still gods but atleast things are moving in a direction relatively quickly.

[amber harness]

do I wanna go crit or haste with arms?

[brazen rock]

Crit but some haste is good

[urban skiff]

how important is offhand for our damage?

[paper meteor]

fairly?

weps are weps

try to get a trophy of strife wep nexty week

for oh

[urban skiff]

sure but don't offhands deal 50% reduced damage just from being offhand?

I was hoping I could hold off on getting an offhand until we know more about 10.0.5 or whatever the arms patch is called

[paper meteor]

week 2 should be MH conq wep trophy OH

[urban skiff]

but if it's going to cripple me super hard i might still buy offhand with trophy

[paper meteor]

i dont think we wear any trophy gear long term

but also dont forget to do it after checking vault

[thick reef]

Same as everyone else.

[thick reef]

They have a huge stat value too

[paper meteor]

yeah be we get 2 phat ones

[thick reef]

Yes. Point is even without the weapon damage, the weapon alone has enough stats on it to warrent the purchase

[tranquil raven]

wha't weapons will furys go for most likely?

[urban skiff]

10 ilvls worth of 2h vs 10 ilvls on 2-3 other pieces?

[thick reef]

Items have more value based on their cost, weapons are no exception.

A wrist upgrade gives you less stats at the same ilvl as a chest.

[urban skiff]

Right, but we're still talking about just the offhand damage + raw stats.
also the chest is currently mispriced. Might be a mistake to not grab it while it costs 7

it costs the same as shoulders and waist. Should probably be the same as legs and head.

[paper meteor]

i feel like if it gets changed they are gunna adjust the ppl who bought it

but i doubt it gets changed

[thick reef]

Get your weapon, you're over thinking it.

[urban skiff]

Just regular thinking it

these are questions with finite answers. I'm just not smart enough to do the math parts

2h has the same amount of stats as head / chest / legs. + weapon dps, which is half when talking about an offhand.

[drowsy wasp]

Is there any fury streamer who play fury spriest healer

[sly prairie]

yyooo im playing annihilator fury should i go for haste vers, or mastery vers?

[paper meteor]

pins

[sly prairie]

thanks

[thick reef]

Its still a lot of damage even if its halved. It also effects your ability damage.

[clear pine]

im already stick in solo shuffle. 1.5k rating 5/6 wins getting 50 points lol

[thick reef]

People are still getting in place due to weekend. Next week should be different

[worthy fern]

Don’t worry arms will be meta soon and you’ll only need one weapon

[clear pine]

20 min queue going 5/6 again then someone left and all got 0 rating. I thought it counts every non game as auto win?

[thick reef]

what are the boots called we need to craft?

[crystal laurel]

Is bladestorm even good in arenas? I felt like the dmg is too slow compared to just regular abilities

[clear pine]

Infurious Warboots of Impunity

[crystal laurel]

What pvp talents you guys use for arms

[brazen rock]

Nothings set in stone besides sharpen.

[wheat jay]

Just few more buffs and arms will reach s2 shadowlands level of power xD

[brazen rock]

It's coming, I can feel it

[wheat jay]

Imagine a buff like this

[iron fractal]

Do I want the sword or polearm when I buy the pvp weapon as fury?

Mastery/crit

[brazen rock]

Polearm

[warped warren]

hunter posting in a warrior discord

[thick reef]

kinda dumb pvp items take sparks so i have to decide between pve and pvp item

[urban skiff]

what stat prio for arms warrior in pvp? haste and crit or something dumb like it?

[orchid pecan]

Hey silly question but are you supposed to get 0 rating in solo shuffle for winning 3 rounds?

[urban skiff]

SORT OF YES.

[orchid pecan]

oh sorry 4 rounds!

my bad

[urban skiff]

If you completely decimated the underdogs and lost against the ones who were on your level it evens out

[thick reef]

ive seen 6 wins and 0 rating gain

2150 and a 750 rating in same shuffle

[urban skiff]

least you had fun

[eternal iron]

Does anyone have any guides theyd recommend or tips when it comes to target selection

[safe harness]

Just make 2 warriors

[thick reef]

f that

[raw summit]

If you aint got 3

What you doin

[warped warren]

not having 10 warriors

how cringe can you be

[bright stream]

focus on targets that are easy to stay on for damage, and targets that need to be interupted
examples;
Warlocks and Mages are high priority for interupts
Dks can be a good kill target because they have weak defensives. Etc.

Avoid shit like Rogues/DH as your main target where possible

[thick reef]

a DH so bad the 3 other dps all get 4 wins, he gets 0 and the healers split 3 wins each

[wheat jay]

Since season 2 Habibi

[warped warren]

fotm

[wheat jay]

Nah

If I was fotm id Play jungle

Meanwhile i played z-tier KFC

[lunar moon]

hmm, Show enemy/friendly nameplates keybind gone in Dragonflight? 🤔

[worthy fern]

@wheat jay unfort I think it still needs a defensive buff

[unreal zealot]

Can you play warr dk in 2s to like 1800 ish without too much trouble?

[stuck mulch]

Are u good enough?

[unreal zealot]

Ehh idk I’m not great but my dk is solid

[onyx vale]

War dk sounds really terrible as far as double dps go but 1800 is possible on any comp

[viscid horizon]

What do you do as fury when you get focused by a melee cleave

do you try to heal with bloodthirst and outfight them or is it better to jump out

[iron fractal]

Should I enchant my stuff for speed or leech for pvp?

Mostly w-pvp/ bg's.

[unreal zealot]

Maybe jump?

[brazen rock]

Speed

[clever mango]

Fury playstyle doesn’t change much whether you’re the target or not

If you’re getting gooned on by double melee just fight them and try to get away from their CDs

[candid sluice]

is arms trolling in pvp right now? haven't played warrior since fury became the pvp spec

[clever mango]

Also idk who said rogue is a bad target earlier but I kinda like hitting rogues. I can see where they can be a pain in the ass with multiple ways to reset and get away but if you set up on them and tee off in a stun or something they explode.

Arms isn’t bad, it’s just made of paper, which is kinda bad. If that makes sense.

[serene jungle]

which race is better for PvP fury warrior, zanda troll or bloodelf?

also how much does racials matter in pvp anyway as horde only player

[clever mango]

Not much.

[thick reef]

just play what you like the look of

[clever mango]

Pretty sure orc racial is even nerfed now that the pvp trinket bonus gives 15% stun reduc

[thick reef]

stoneform always been underrated imo

[clever mango]

Yeah now that I think of it, all ally races have better racials than horde anymore

Nice balance

Stoneform, esc artist, whatever ne racial is called, dark iron racial, human racial

Horde’s only real good racial in PvP was orc stun reduction but again pvp trinket bonus gives that now and it doesn’t stack

I guess undead racial is the best for horde now

[thick reef]

evokers are insane??

[clever mango]

Yeah about evokers, I have a question

Wtf makes them immune to CC and what do I look out for when they’re immune to it

So annoying when I run in to fear them and I don’t really see any buffs or anything preventing CC but then I see “Immune” scroll by for whatever reason

[white briar]

Nullifying Shroud

[thick reef]

So uh, more fury nerfs?

They really don't want this to be a viable spec

[white briar]

They cast it and it lasts 30 secs, immune to 3 ccs in that period. But you can dispel it.

[delicate bronze]

the coming nerfs are small

[thick reef]

I'm probably just bad, but I've been getting smashed at 1600 by SP/Lock/evoker or DH/something/evoker

Usually DH/DH/evoker

[brazen rock]

Yes and no

Dh is overtuned as fuck rn

[hollow ore]

wdym, death sweep for 97k into hunt for 120k is all good

[brazen rock]

As is sp and lock

[thick reef]

I love war the most, but pretty much about to switch to my SP or DH for a bit.

TSG doesn't really feel "dangerous"

It's putting out damage, but it just feels like an opportunity for evokers to do crazy heals. As if no amount is enough they can't outheal it

[hollow ore]

evoker is cra cra cuz you have to play around shroud

[thick reef]

war/dk/monk, we have no dispel

[hollow ore]

which is why TSG is usually pally or sham

given pally doesn't have a dispell

[clever mango]

Bad time to switch to SP

They’re about to get smoked with the nerf bat

[steep inlet]

No

They took mass dmg up again

Big danger

[worthy fern]

@steep inlet they buffed pointless dmg

Mind blast mind spike etc

Void volley and death nerfed

Defensives nerfed

[clever mango]

Yea void volley 30% nerf and death 20% nerf

Void volley horrify reduced to 2 sec, shield absorb reduced by 20%, and vamp embrace 20% nerf

[steep inlet]

i think they will be still dangerous

I could be wrong

[clever mango]

Yea they’ll still be good for sure

But brought more in line

[dawn mulch]

For conquest gear, should I prioritize the one with Mastery or Haste?

[brazen rock]

haste if playing fury

[full quiver]

They nerfed power word shield???

That's huge

I didn't see that on the initial posy

[dawn mulch]

And Mastery over Crit if those are the only two options? for fury?

[brazen rock]

yes

[near delta]

https://mobile.twitter.com/sx6_magnusz/status/1604362115388768256

mag (@sx6_magnusz)

until arms warrior has an ounce of survivability whether it be reverting the pvp specific changes to defensive stance or giving it back ignore pain i feel as though no amount of damage buffs will fix it. please do something other than buff its dmg @WarcraftDevs @holinka

Twitter · Dec 18, 2022, 6:25 AM

[clever mango]

He’s kinda right.

[clever mango]

Yeah come Tuesday, spriests power word shield getting a nerf

[full quiver]

Nice

Demo has to be next on the defensive nerfs rifht

[clever mango]

Tbh I hope they just beat the fk out of warlocks across the board with the nerf bat

[green wyvern]

based mag

[clever mango]

They’ve been obnoxious since bfa

[green wyvern]

I mean demo is getting its stamina nerfed

and demo is already a good kill target, you can delete dark pact with one global

[full quiver]

Not as uhdk lol

[brazen rock]

isnt uhdk getting like 10% to everything?

still squish but lmao the dam might be unreal

[uneven turret]

we are likely to be playing arms next week or still fury

[brazen rock]

im playing arms in 3s

and solo

idgaf anymore

[stuck root]

I miss ignore pain

[sharp meteor]

unh is like one of the highest dam specs

[green wyvern]

we play fury until blizzard nerfs bloodthirst healing under enraged regen in pvp

which is what is going to happen 100% once blizzard realises on tuesday that warpaint nerfs don't matter

blizzard being clueless as is tradition

[steep inlet]

Good varugh

[brazen rock]

ill find a ret and tryhard my way

[steep inlet]

Will play some arms soon too

It’s my base spec anw

did my glads with it

[brazen rock]

the high i get from 1 shotting a rogue or dh from half hp is unmatched

[steep inlet]

👍

[brazen rock]

cant wait for half of these 5iq rogue FOTM retards to cloak spear and die to my ret through evasion after

[sly furnace]

So healers who leave at game 6 doesnt get a debuff?

[agile granite]

don't do it in solo

i'm playing arms in solo and shit is fuckin rough

[full quiver]

Yeah in actually dreading the pve buff

Feel like the dams gonna get pvp nerfed now

[brazen rock]

idgaf

ill suffer

solo is a meme anyways

[sly furnace]

ye had a russian orc healer who left game 6.... signed for another game got the same healer and ofc now he won 70+ points

[agile granite]

maybe with the extra talent point we'll get in the class tree with dstance automatic we can take inspiring presence and master and commander for a better defensive, but idk seems like a lot just to make rally not as shitty

we just need ignore pain back man

[green wyvern]

it's 39% additional hp with the inspiring presence and master and commander

decent, but if your healer can't top you gg

[delicate bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aMpOZakS7U

kek

arms warrior op spec

[agile granite]

oh wise boomkin player supatease please tell me more about how good the damage is as i get one shot

[stoic tide]

https://youtu.be/bUuBLOKaVQ8

Wintergasp Premade 🙂

[pliant falcon]

Am I crazy or there are no haste 2 handers to upgrade to next week?

[delicate bronze]

all he did was list the patch note buffs lmao

[pliant falcon]

It's like crit and crit

[brazen rock]

there isn't. buy mastery polearm

[pliant falcon]

Ah k, thanks

[uneven turret]

should i buy my 2nd weapon with bloody token or honor

[brazen rock]

bloody token, youll be upgrading it next week.

[uneven turret]

with trophy?

[high sparrow]

they already did by nerfing baseline BT

[uneven turret]

i thought we playing arms next week

[brazen rock]

yes

[brazen rock]

i am

you asked 2nd weapon.

[plush cobalt]

Question: The arms pvp rotation on wowhead… yay or nay? Gonna try arms out these next few days

Nevermind, just read pins… smh

[stuck root]

Bet people who do this will eat a ban at some point it isnt exactly inconspicuous

[full quiver]

I mean he's down net 30 points

[sharp meteor]

Point loss doesn't matter.

It's MMR which you preserve by leaving.

CR is quickly recuperated in higher mmr games.

[full quiver]

Going from 2300 to 2200 is a massive drop

[sharp meteor]

Not when mmr is still 2350

and would've been 2100 if you went 0-6

[full quiver]

not sure I agree, but I also haven't been playing the shuffles

[sharp meteor]

It was very worth to leave if you're going to go massively negative.

they already said this'll be fixed in the future, though, so you can't deny wins or losses by leaving

[sly furnace]

was only at 1700 but still strange when ppl with 0 cr joins?

[vagrant sorrel]

whats everyone rolling fury and arms seem to both be in a good place, having a hard time deciding

[brazen rock]

arms on tuesday.

only need to donk some loser dh or rogue once to make the switch

[vagrant sorrel]

hahaha im highly considering it

[sharp meteor]

I think my first game on an alt was like 1800 mmr

went like 5-1 or 4-2 and got put into a 2000 game next

not sure if it seeds in somehow

all my placements recently all exactly 1500 tho

[vale ibex]

So the swap to arms is the move on reset?

[vagrant sorrel]

im probably going to

[tardy flame]

What's happening on reset to make people want to switch to Arms?

[brazen rock]

more arms damage buffs, talent rework promised in 10.0.5 (2 free points in arms tree, 1 in general) general boredom of playing fury, 5% warpaint nerf.

[tardy flame]

All good reasons

[onyx vale]

don't forget removing the tax to go anywhere in the last 3rd of the tree in arms

why yes I would love to waste 40% of my strongest talents

[brazen rock]

yup

[tardy flame]

I'm keen to switch too, just for the thrill of seeing Big Numbers

[brazen rock]

you can actually play ms spam build + sks with bleed talents

or go ms spam + unhinged

[tardy flame]

SKS was pretty sick in pre-patch

[vale ibex]

what arms build y'all recommend?

[urban skiff]

pins

or muloc.io

[vale ibex]

yes. there are multiple for arms, bleed and bladestorm cleave and such. asking which is recommended

[lucid walrus]

this is true as fuck

[vale ibex]

by recommended, zug zug ofc

[lucid walrus]

you’re literally barred at gunpoint from doing anything other than dumping into meme points near the top or middle

[urban skiff]

like what?

[lucid walrus]

speed, second wind, collateral, SoS are all pretty aimless. there’re only 2 big arms builds with slight variations imo

[lilac marsh]

Sorta new to PVP, is it better to hold off on spending conquest this week to get a 2H next week, or better to just get the trinkets or a few armor pieces?

[lucid walrus]

the latter two are a choice node so ig collat/SoS and 2W/inspiring

[urban skiff]

absolutely wait for weapon and trinkets are like last to purchase with conquest

[lilac marsh]

Gotcha

[lucid walrus]

yeah, you can either upgrade a drakebreaker 2h next week or buy 2h with conq

weapon is our single biggest upgrade

[urban skiff]

Or both if you're fury

[lucid walrus]

^

[lilac marsh]

Perfect, thnx lads

[urban skiff]

first time i look at arms from a pvp perspective. Big yikes on those

[quick stirrup]

hey guys, how do you get 3 sockets on your pvp neck? oO

[lucid walrus]

some JC item i don’t recall the name of

[urban skiff]

tier3 socket thing gives 3 sockets

[quick stirrup]

ok i will google it then

[quick stirrup]

yeah but whats about vendor items?

[lucid walrus]

pinging for this part bc it’s important. buy and apply the 1star one FIRST, then 2star second, then 3 for third

[vagrant sorrel]

i fucked up and used the tier 3 socket for the first one and wasted 11k

[lucid walrus]

the number corresponds to how many sockets it’ll let you add. if you’re trying to add your second using a 1star for instance, it won’t let you

[lucid walrus]

ditto

[vagrant sorrel]

make sure you use silver for the first 2 then gold for the final

[urban skiff]

what gems do we use for fury?

[vagrant sorrel]

i think it would be same for arms and fury likely

im rolling arms and went the 70 vers 33haste gems

[quick stirrup]

okay thank you guys!

[urban skiff]

is vers softcap still 30%?

[brazen rock]

arms wants crit but haste is fine too.

[vagrant sorrel]

thats what I thought too but this guide im using is actually say to prio haste to 16% on arms now

[urban skiff]

this the one you want, you get it from crafting orders if you aren't JC.

or maybe AH too idk

[scenic nacelle]

Hi, anyone compared SMF vs TG yet? Conclusion(s)? 🤔

[vagrant sorrel]

but ya crit may be better

[brazen rock]

smf is worse.

[woeful solstice]

god lfg is so discouraging

i have no friends that want to play like 500 games in one weekend

really want this glad mount im like 2200 xp and it feels impossible

[scenic nacelle]

Based on?

[woeful solstice]

you have to waste a talent point to get it

[thick reef]

~7% dps loss

[scenic nacelle]

Running both with Annihilator build or?

[woeful solstice]

does anyone know a good pvp discord to find partners on

[thick reef]

Yes

[scenic nacelle]

Still got those numbers?

[thick reef]

They have been posted so many times, just scroll up

[stoic tide]

https://youtu.be/bUuBLOKaVQ8

Wintergrasp Premade

[brazen rock]

sims.

[pliant falcon]

I felt like I was fairing about the same running SMF but I was gearing full mastery. I’ve since went the standard haste route. The leap in stats wins over for me

It’s a huge Stam loss going SMF

[brazen rock]

feelings aside, its a 7% dps loss over same ilvl 2handers.

[mild thunder]

there is literally zero reason to ever go SMF

idk why people try so hard to make it work

not only is it worse stats and worse damage, you even get less talent points to work with

[thick reef]

mainly because that is how Fury used to be, and they want it to be a thing in current WoW\

[pliant falcon]

No doubt, for me it was just messing about and testing for myself

[green wyvern]

3v3 is very deflated right now

[pliant falcon]

I was even curious about movement speed stacking and whatnot

[brazen rock]

fury used to be macroing heroic strike into every ability and pressing bloodthirst off CD

[uneven turret]

how do u complete tehe sparks of life quest

[green wyvern]

rank 1 players are playing at 2.2k mmr

[brazen rock]

dirt piles. rares. WQs. kill people.

[onyx vale]

fury macroed heroic strike in one fucking patch

and thats all people remember of heroic strike

[woeful solstice]

ya hardstuck 1550 rn

its depressing it makes me want to quit

im always so excited for pvp then get a brutal reminder of how bad the infrastructure is for finding games

[green wyvern]

well we can hope 3v3 picks up and the ladder inflates accordingly

or we get another SL s4

who knows

[onyx vale]

told ya, all the casuls went solo shuffle cuz finding mates is too hard, and we are all the casul of someone

you always need a smaller fish

[woeful solstice]

yeah

[green wyvern]

glad might not be lfg-able depending on the inflation

[onyx vale]

also pvp scaling is good to not be fucked by people in pve gear but it also means pvp gear is basically worthless for pve so those people don't queue either

[woeful solstice]

depressing

[brazen rock]

eh conquest scales up pretty high

[onyx vale]

don't you need like 2K4 rating for like 408

[green wyvern]

yeah it's awful

I know some people are doing it for weapons

but only in solo shuffle

[brazen rock]

unsure tbh

[onyx vale]

pve players that only pvped for gear won't bother for that, unlike in early shadowlands

[mild thunder]

now you dont even macro heroic strike, just press bt off CD

[onyx vale]

just do a +15 (that isnt lifeblood)

[mild thunder]

i dont know if i mind that tbh... most of them were cringe rbg guilds anyway

at least the raiding guilds were

[onyx vale]

Well it's not a bad thing per say, i'm certainly not complaining. But it adds up

[shadow flower]

guys what stats we take on weapons, crit/vers or vers/mastery ?

[eager mortar]

if you have the full set of 340(411) in which order do you replace your gear since we are capped by conquest ?

[elfin bolt]

What's a generic arena build people tend to take?

[lucid walrus]

weapon first and that's really all that matters

[lucid walrus]

check pins

[left scarab]

for fury: 1 wep then armor. or 2 wep then armor?

[eager mortar]

thanks so I'll get conquest 2h by next reset + 2h from trophy of strife

[thick reef]

if your box rolls a 2h you can have 2 conq 2h weapons

[lucid walrus]

if you roll one from box like buh said you can snag 2 conq 2hs but yeah, that's probably the path most folks will go down

[woeful solstice]

are there any public discords for pvp lfg

or am i fucked entirely

[lucid walrus]

those have been tried 20x over

[woeful solstice]

sad

[lucid walrus]

everyone wants to post their xp and preferred comps, nobody wants to follow up

[woeful solstice]

right

[lucid walrus]

it's a fire and forget situation every time

[woeful solstice]

yeah ive been in lfg more than ive played matches today

literal hours

everyone wants you to be multiglad 5k exp

if i list a group i get 0 people queing

[lucid walrus]

shuffle is unironically just easier for rating rn

[woeful solstice]

i know i hit 1950 in like 7 matches* lol

[lucid walrus]

ayup

people still wanna homogenize rewards though as if it won't ruin 3s novelty

[woeful solstice]

solo should get glad

hot take

[lucid walrus]

it has it, just not a mount

[woeful solstice]

yeah im saying the mount as well

[lucid walrus]

ah. agree to disagree

[eager mortar]

true didn't think of that, @thick reef & @lucid walrus thanks !

[onyx vale]

if solo shuffle got glad there would be a grand total of 6 people left in v3

[wheat jay]

Fewer

[woeful solstice]

every other game has full blown ranked matchmaking

that doesnt require a premade group

[lucid walrus]

so does this one now

[woeful solstice]

with the best rewards gated behind premades

and the tool to make groups is awful

i dont see how people can defend this lol

if the infrastructure for building teams was better it would be fine

but you cant even apply to groups while having one listed

[lucid walrus]

shuffle giving 3s' only two exclusive rewards would kill the bracket lmao

your average player thinks they're 3-500cr better than they really are

[woeful solstice]

either kill the bracket or make the tools to play in it better

i shouldnt have to sift through groups for 3+ hours to find a team only to have someone leave after 1 loss

no other high level competitive game operates like this

[onyx vale]

blizzard can't control the mind of the cringelords that play their games

3v3 and solo shuffle have nothing in common with each other

and ofc there's the massive inflation of rating in solo shuffle

[green wyvern]

3v3 is already dead

[woeful solstice]

^

[green wyvern]

this season is like SL s4

[onyx vale]

you can't give the same reward for hitting 2k4 in solo shuffle as getting 2k4 in 3v3

[lucid walrus]

it's been a week lmao

[wheat jay]

Well, gotta suffer through it to get exp

[lucid walrus]

i think 3s should award hero

[wheat jay]

Once you have exp, you get insta invites

[woeful solstice]

cant get exp if you have no exp

[wheat jay]

3s award everything that's pvp related

[lucid walrus]

i mean c'mon there's no reason they should have exclusive titles or anything

[wheat jay]

Well, make your own groups, play with people on your level

Carry games

Swap to better players

And so on until your xp is high enough to get invited

Or find a recently abandoned gladiator and befriend him

Instill an idea in his mind that you can improve to the glad level

And then improve

Worked for me

[lucid walrus]

lmfao

[woeful solstice]

love it

[wheat jay]

That's literally how I started playing with Kargish xD

[woeful solstice]

im definitely not glad level but i know i can get to it. played at a high level in multiple games

[lucid walrus]

kargtji glad arc was crazy

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[onyx vale]

v3 could have better rewards for sure

[wheat jay]

We did get it in the end

Planning to get it this season as well

[lucid walrus]

attaboy

[wheat jay]

See the thing is

I thought so too

Until I got demolished few times

[steep inlet]

Not at all

[wheat jay]

Had to improve CC, timings, kiting, positioning, trading cooldowns

[steep inlet]

Top ladder is 2500 week 1

Week 1 ffs

[wheat jay]

I mean, that's normal

[sharp meteor]

Unchained fried people

[steep inlet]

We will end at 3600+

[wheat jay]

There's always been people like this every season

[woeful solstice]

right, i feel like i picked up on a lot of that during sl

the lfg wall feels literally impossible to overcome

[wheat jay]

Make your own groups, put it in action, get higher rating, then change people to higher rated ones if needed

[woeful solstice]

pvp feels too tightknit and if you're not "in" you're fucked

[sharp meteor]

rofl

[wheat jay]

Nah

[green wyvern]

Maybe you are right, I legit don't remember how normal seasons work

sl s4 and s2 gave me ptsd

[steep inlet]

I know it very well

[wheat jay]

The easier the mount the better for me haha

[steep inlet]

And trust me

2500 week 1

Is giga inflated

[wheat jay]

I dont mind welfare glad, i want mount

[woeful solstice]

yeah tren already got the mount lmao

[steep inlet]

Like we have already glads

[lucid walrus]

it's only 5-6 people on both NA and EU at 2500 tbf

[woeful solstice]

feels like thjis will be inflated

[wheat jay]

Ye, top players

[steep inlet]

Yeah and week1

[wheat jay]

That are no-lifing all the time

[lucid walrus]

absolute top yeah

[steep inlet]

Realize it’s giga fast

[wheat jay]

Of course theyre gonna have mounts now

Fam, if you have 90% winrate

Then its not giga fast

Its normal

[lucid walrus]

first season of the xpac is often inflated anyhow

[steep inlet]

y

[onyx vale]

yes but what season will give the black dragon

that's the important question

[woeful solstice]

yes

[green wyvern]

obsidian gladiator

[wheat jay]

Red I like

[sharp meteor]

onyx or ebon gladiator

[woeful solstice]

i bet s2 is blue

[wheat jay]

Red is fastest

[sharp meteor]

and it'll probably be on one of the other drakes

like the green, yellow or red ones

[lucid walrus]

lmao

[onyx vale]

red is indeed fastest

[green wyvern]

the scuffed flying rat mount

[onyx vale]

but green is best

[wheat jay]

Nah

White best color

[lucid walrus]

excited for blue

[sharp meteor]

s1 probs free, curious if game dies by s2

probably not

[onyx vale]

game looks solid

been a while since that happened

[sharp meteor]

ya

[onyx vale]

[lucid walrus]

gameplay loop is really cool rn

kind of concerned people will afk until enchant and tabard are in the game though

[onyx vale]

just can't wait for arms' mini rework

[lucid walrus]

i'm really eager

[wheat jay]

Imma afk till enchants are affordable

Lmao

100k for weap enchant is too much

Even for me xD

[lucid walrus]

i bit the bullet bc the trophy fiasco made me impulse buy new shit

[onyx vale]

how the fuck did i get a damn boost selling add in my calendar

motherfuckers

[sharp meteor]

lmao

I had mail, like, in my mailbox during bfa

from various communities or boosting sites

[gentle horizon]

fury war enchants for pvp?

[lucid walrus]

https://murlok.io/warrior/fury/3v3#enchantments

[gentle horizon]

tyy

is there work orders for conquest-level gear?

[sharp meteor]

ya

costs a few thousand in mats to get the bis booties made

[plain basin]

Dumb question here but if I have orc racial the pvp boots are not as essential? Or do we still want it for other ccs?

[clever mango]

p sure orc racial is useless now

because of the trinket bonus

they don't stack

[brazen rock]

blood fury still good.

other racials meh

[clever mango]

yeah blood fury is fine

i'm talkin about hardiness

or whatever the stun reduction racial is

[brazen rock]

dark iron is the move rn

[clever mango]

any ally racial >>>>

better than any horde racial

cept undead

think undead is the only one that is somewhat usable

esp since lock and spriest is so nuts rn

[drowsy wasp]

high mountain for gap close

[clever mango]

suppose high mountain ain't bad either

[lucid walrus]

goblin for the gap closer

[clever mango]

goblin and highmountain are bout the same I'd say so yeah

[lucid walrus]

it does put leap on ICD unfortunately

so you’ve gotta use leap first or have it on >10sec cd

[clever mango]

will yall stop, you guys are gonna make me race change from orc lol

[lucid walrus]

dude i did

it’s fun

[sharp meteor]

its nice to not play sweaty orc

[lucid walrus]

race barely matters anymore

[weary sky]

I have been playing quite a bit of fury and its been great. I find roar to be better than soear overall, maybe vs some casters not

[clever mango]

I would love to go back to tauren but the tauren models post cata are so fucking ugly dude

[weary sky]

Im amazed so many people asking for nerfs on dos self heal with the insane burst some classes have

[clever mango]

look like an elevator fell on their head, all short and scrunched over and run like they have a tree branch up their ass

[random fractal]

guys how do i bind bloodthirst to my 4 button

[woeful solstice]

dark iron chad

[thick reef]

fury feral is pretty fun

[mild thunder]

dark iron looks so lameeee tho

im race changing back to human, this dwarf shit looks so bad

[wooden grove]

Human > Dwarf > DI

For looks

Dwarf is better than DI because nobody wants an offensive cleanse that’s stupid just stop

[mild thunder]

Orc = Human > anything else for looks

every other model looks gimped af

[brazen rock]

10% armor or 10% damage :thonk:

[mild thunder]

2% crit damage as arms tho

[brazen rock]

the str from di will result in more dam

[fair condor]

is prot viable in pvp?

[brazen rock]

pretty much always gonna clear 3 effects to cap it out, so 1600str for 8 seconds is pretty nuts.

[brazen rock]

on tuesday, not really.

[fair condor]

why tuesday

[brazen rock]

more nerfs.

[fair condor]

oh

where you see the nerfs already?

forums?

[brazen rock]

its -20% rend and -20% shield slam in pvp

[fair condor]

does anyone know where to find a pvp build for fury?

[brazen rock]

pins.

[mellow depot]

Guys what's the best class to pair with fury warrior for 2v2s?

[wheat crane]

Anyone playing crit with arms, considering swapping some of these haste pcs out

[lucid walrus]

i have semi-high crit

it’s pretty dece

[brazen rock]

crit focused, 21% crit 12% haste

more crit going into next week.

[lucid walrus]

this works out to like 20% of what we have now right?

seem to recall having >6k str

[brazen rock]

12% haste lets you get one last global into smash also

[wheat crane]

Did you play haste heavy first? Which do you like better

[brazen rock]

at first yes, hated it

arms does diddly fuck for damage unless you crit

[wheat crane]

I dont mind low haste on arms, i cant stand it on fury

[brazen rock]

i have 8.2k str when scaled

[mild thunder]

low low haste feels horrible as arms, but like 10-15% feels perfect

[lucid walrus]

ok yeah that’s basically banner conduit str lmao

nutty. i wanted their heritage anyway, might level another

[brazen rock]

so its gonna be 9.8 with dark iron and I think 12k with badge

joocy

[lucid walrus]

shiiiitttt

that ain’t bad at all

[brazen rock]

play with ret, hold w key

still lose to dh/sp/prevoker but whatever

[thick reef]

evokers are kookoo

blizz just gave them a delete button

[mild thunder]

fuck you, you said this and my next queue was against dh/sp/prevoker

😦

[brazen rock]

ready for the montage lads.

ill pick and pull the 1 of 100 games i get the 200k MS on tuesday

[hexed ocean]

anyone have wrecking/ shatter throw macro

for swapping between

[brazen rock]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Wrecking Throw] Wrecking Throw; Shattering Throw

i really enjoy how avatar and dark iron racial stack the size increase

bout the same height as an orc and 3x as thicc

[hexed ocean]

thanks my boy

[mild thunder]

almost full person size :))

[brazen rock]

buddy if you saw what i just did to this assa rogue

cleared full bleeds

turned and killed in 2 globals

[mild thunder]

gigachaddd

[brazen rock]

11k str fucks

[mild thunder]

DI dwarf dream

[brazen rock]

di dwarf paladin di dwarf arms war and di warf disc priest

LETS GO

[mild thunder]

hahahaha do you actually?

[brazen rock]

no but im gonna paypal whatever ret i scam into playing 3s with me to do it

[mild thunder]

hahahah time for me to reroll ret

[brazen rock]

hold up i gotta stack vrykul horn too

[thick reef]

Getting annoying when you get a team that doesnt at all aid in CC. I'm a fucking warrior, I can murder the hell out of them but need a little help sticking you morons. Any match with simply help snare is a match thats won.

[brazen rock]

goat sized ezgg

[mild thunder]

not Taivan sized

[vagrant sorrel]

Im personally going haste on arms for now unless it ends up sucking

will build more crit later though

[brazen rock]

this is the true chad move tbh

this fucking model screams the most ghastly shit

constantly

[vagrant sorrel]

i socketed all haste but will probably prioritize crit gear

big d mog right there

[lucid walrus]

gems are more impactful in early patches so you should find it fairly easy to swap

[mild thunder]

imagine not using Gamon on CD

[vagrant sorrel]

Varughh whats been the highest crit youve seen so far

[lucid walrus]

at the price of the one-frame family guy death anim

then again that’s hella funny

[brazen rock]

bro it doesnt stop screaming

i love it

[lucid walrus]

peak fantasy

[brazen rock]

185k on a DH

[lucid walrus]

fuck’s sake LOL

[vagrant sorrel]

HOLY BALLS MAN

[lucid walrus]

i assume that’s full buttons but what, mortal? exe crit?

[thick reef]

same with stoneform

[vagrant sorrel]

I havnt hit 6 figures yet

[brazen rock]

MS

[lucid walrus]

sheesh

getting buffed btw

[brazen rock]

its one of those once in a blue moon crits

[lucid walrus]

for sure

[brazen rock]

usually see 120ish

[thick reef]

got hit by 147k fire breath earlier

[wheat crane]

Guess i should level my ret to carry you all

Just play kitty tho

[modern veldt]

not a complaint but just a curious question unlike every other class why are warriors so much more susceptible to cc/stun?

[weak swallow]

afaik retalitation loses value during CC

and enraged regen is the only defensive usable during stun

berserker rage is good for fears sap incap but only once a minute

[modern veldt]

i mean like compared to playing a ret pally or frost dk without popping my trink or using a cc break cd it feels like cc falls off quicker on a dk or a pally but it feels like it takes longer on a warrior

idk maybe i'm just overlooking something

i mean because theres stun/blind/incap/slow/root

knockback

or maybe i'm just stupid its okay i understand -.-

[bright flume]

what conquest wep we going for for fury?

[thick reef]

Paladin has fairly strong tools for preventing snares and slow downs.
DK has strong tools for keeping someone in one place.
Warrior just kinda charges, which is strong no doubt, but in effect it doesnt feel as good. DK and Paladin are controlling their characters during their breaks.

[thick reef]

polearm

[bright flume]

yeah vers is high priority yeh

i saw we get extra on polearm

plus we get 2 of them

[brazen rock]

you may feel it more on warrior because we dont get to do anything outside of melee.

where as paladin is practically a ranged dps at this point

[thorn herald]

Loaded Ms and a berserking or saltwater

?

[brazen rock]

fully loaded ms with zerking

[thorn herald]

Yeah there's some jackass on the arena forums posting a 180k Ms crit and won't elaborate on how he got it lol

I've gotten 130k on a dh in 3s

[brazen rock]

Highest ive got in shuffle was 135k

[vagrant sorrel]

whats the build up to that?

[brazen rock]

So 148k on tuesday kekw

[thorn herald]

My ele shaman partner crit for 70k on earth shock same.time and he died

[brazen rock]

get 2 op stacks, 2 precision stacks, csmash, avatar, spear of bastion.

[thorn herald]

Tfw the optimal.way to play arms.is just like PvE and spamming Ms on cooldown regardless of Ms stacks

[brazen rock]

pretty much yeah

[brazen rock]

when we get 35% battlelord

hoooh boy

and tier? we gamin.

[mild thunder]

would you rather be holding ms?

[thorn herald]

I still rip 90k Ms crits off just csmash

But never get the giant ones

[brazen rock]

then the next round of arms buffs will happen cuz they still kinda blow dick on ST in pve

and we run away with the season lads

[mild thunder]

their ST probably wont be buffed much more tbh, it's looking ~8% ahead of fury after next buffs

not including 10.0.5 buffs

[thorn herald]

Yeah the tuning buffs for us is over

[brazen rock]

i haven't looked let me huff more hopium alright

[thorn herald]

We might see nerfs after tier

[brazen rock]

i healed war in sl 1-2-3-4

its my turn to play it

[mild thunder]

just give us IPO

IP

blizz

[thorn herald]

Execute gonna be dumb

[mild thunder]

pls

[brazen rock]

what i really would like, is ashen removed entirely

and replaced with something that buffs sudden death ppm

[vagrant sorrel]

do you know if sweeping strikes stacks with unhinghed? ie the 2 free MS you get from bladestorm

[thorn herald]

It does

[brazen rock]

yeah they'll cleave.

[thorn herald]

I wish unhinged hit ur fucking target

[brazen rock]

i just dont spec it

[vagrant sorrel]

yea i liek it when it works

its disgusting sometimes

[thorn herald]

Sometimes it feels like a capstone talent

:^)

[brazen rock]

in 10.0.5 i will but rn id rather not feel like I have to sit in bladestorm

[thorn herald]

Idk

I go unhinged vs certain melee cleaves

Pressure is strong

[brazen rock]

yeah if you catch both melee in spear and can storm on them with csmash + sweeping and storm

[vagrant sorrel]

yep thats big dam right there

[thorn herald]

Slam next patch gonna slap

Kinda weird

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

probs not... dont have the spare globals with the battlelord buff

plus its like 4 talents to make slam a viable button

[bright flume]

hey @brazen rock is arms good now?

[thorn herald]

Gonna fuck with it

Battle lord isn't 100%

Not saying it's better

[mild thunder]

35% tho, plus OP is gonna slap even harder

feelslike its pretty rare to be 0 op stacks and have ms on CD

[thorn herald]

Dreadnoughts damage going up by 45% isn't gonna make overpower slap harder tbh

Slam will weirdly be crit capped during warlords torment

[mild thunder]

i meeeeaan

[thorn herald]

At least for me I'm sitting at 30% crit

And off numbers rn critting for 56k without armor or versa

But it'll be critting every global more often than not

And half the time w/o torment

[mild thunder]

not just about straight slam damage tho

every ability you prioritise over OP is a reset you're not getting on MS

but ig it'll make a ToM build a bit more viable

[brazen rock]

not really but its fun.

tuesday + 10.0.5 might change things up a bunch

[thorn herald]

Tom dead in the water unless they revert the nerf

[brazen rock]

dh/sp/prevoker is still gonna run away with the season unless DH and prevoker take big nerfs.

[thorn herald]

But again I'm not saying this slam shit will be better just seems like something to try

[mild thunder]

[thorn herald]

I wrote off unhinged and it surprised me

[mild thunder]

unhinged was always gonna be pog

[thorn herald]

Not in prepatch :^)

[mild thunder]

• where else are we supposed to spend talents?

imagine having good capstones

[thorn herald]

Cleave

[green hollow]

sucks using BS as dmg instead of mobility tho

[thorn herald]

1 min bs is fine

[mild thunder]

i mean if you run SoD you have bs every 45 sec

almost every 45 sec*

[thorn herald]

It's on am right

[mild thunder]

yes

[thorn herald]

Slam build gonna add value

[mild thunder]

[thorn herald]

Cooldowns always up!

[mild thunder]

bring back WoD AM

[thorn herald]

We don't talk about wod arms

Makes current fury look complex

[mild thunder]

WoD arms > modern fury

any day

[onyx vale]

that's a hot take

i'd rather be kicked in the balls every day until I'm infertile than play wod arms again

[mild thunder]

id rather have my balls cut off with a hot blade django-unchained style than play DF fury

unless i get hardstuck as arms, then i'll be a bitch and respec :))

[onyx vale]

i mean i get it, df fury is a 2 button rotation in pvp

but so was wod arms

and not just in pvp

[mild thunder]

it at least had the prestige of still being arms

remember the arms slam build? :)))))

[onyx vale]

i remember mop slam

[lean burrow]

someone talked about slam build?

slam > rend

[acoustic eagle]

solo shuffle queue such a scam

[onyx vale]

ahhh slam being a talent, the times were wild

tbh that talent would probably be a nice addition to dragonflight arms to spend all that rage

[thorn herald]

Old days

Bc sword spec I hit a mage with Ms -> imp slam -> sword spec, all three crit and he died

Still remember that moment 15 years later

[onyx vale]

ahhh old arms

[thorn herald]

Ms whirlwind

Old whirlwind sound

[onyx vale]

when did bladestorm start hitting like a wet noodle? I don't dislike unhinged but damn with the zoos that is pvp sometimes it feels terrible when the ms doesnt hit the right target

you just feel like you are tickling them with bladestorm

damn old whirlwind

how did they make the best spell to press in the game into the worst

[thorn herald]

Bladestorm is just the duration it does a lot of damage the problem is it's over 6 seconds so people get healed through it

[onyx vale]

just hitting whirlwind was awesome

[thorn herald]

But legion? I wanna say bladestorm stopped doing damage

When it stopped feeling impactful

Bladestorm just being 6 whirlwinds kek

[onyx vale]

i wanna play classic just to press bladestorm

but nah, I don't think I will

[thorn herald]

It was pretty magical playing wotlk pre patch

Full brutal

[vale ibex]

unhinged or bleed build easier to execute in y'alls opinion?

[thick reef]

Unhinged 100%.

not even close.

[vale ibex]

thanks daddy fat stacks

verse/crit on available and haste on other if available? for arms

[thick reef]

Crit / mast for unhinged.

[vale ibex]

thanks

[thick reef]

no prob.

[vale ibex]

gonna need to grow some more hands for all these keybinds

[teal wyvern]

Does upgrading pvp gear increase stats when you pvp