pvp

[brittle swift]

whats the best enchats

im using frozen devotion but its meh

[bright stream]

why should they not be given the same rewards for the same activity?

[sage raptor]

It is a 3v3 format

With less comms

[zenith marlin]

solo shuffle is more personal skill than actual 3s

and by design

[bright stream]

SS also accounts for fotm rerolling, so really, high rated SS is more reliable metric of skill than constructed 3v3, as c3v3 is %playerbase instead of %spec

[brazen rock]

[sharp meteor]

Every 1900 3s player in a few weeks.

[scarlet sorrel]

Thats not true tho. Im 100% for transmog set and weps to be solo shuffle. Mount and weap enchant and tabard are a reward for 3s and it should stay that way

[bright stream]

why should it be c3v3 and not SS?

what's the reason other than 'that's how it has been'?

[scarlet sorrel]

Because its organized competitive mode

Has to have a reward for it

And mount is perfect

[bright stream]

ah so i's because change is scary and you don't like that things aren't the same as they've always been

[thick reef]

why would a 1900 care about the .1% reward

[scarlet sorrel]

I love SS. I thinks its awesome

[thick reef]

a 2150 just won all 6 and gained 0 rating thats cringe

[scarlet sorrel]

I mean im against the dimb gatekeep and calling people kids

But mount rewarded for 3s just like there is a mount from last boss in mythic

It makes sense

There could he a diff mount in ss

[thick reef]

or just make a decent looking one like the glad one

[bright stream]

that happens because CE is the hardest PvE achievement in a patch

[brittle swift]

got 2.2 on my dh in solo in like 35 wins

sitting on that on my war and not even 1400

[bright stream]

3v3 and SS are equivalent game modes

[scarlet sorrel]

So is gladiator

[brittle swift]

feels bad bro

[scarlet sorrel]

Organized 3v3 glad is harder to achiec then SS 2400

[bright stream]

R1 Legend and R1 Gladiator are equal in terms of difficulty

[thick reef]

how do you even know shit has been out for 5 days

[bright stream]

why do you think that's the case?

[brazen rock]

someone cap this

[steep inlet]

wtf

[thick reef]

no zoomer

[scarlet sorrel]

Because you HAVE to coordinate plays. And make a viable comp

[brazen rock]

im 29 bruv

[thick reef]

thats worse

[bright stream]

you have to coordinate on the fly in SS, the only difference is the comps are dynamic, so you play 6 comps instead of 1

the coordination doesnt disappear because you don't have some twerp talking garbage at you over disco

[brittle swift]

you cant coordinate random teams in shuffle bro

sorry to break it to you

[scarlet sorrel]

I know how that works. And i back you up on it being a competitive mode

[brittle swift]

type who you wanna go and play aroun

[thick reef]

type faster

[scarlet sorrel]

But its not the same achiev

Its SO much harder to find consistency in 3s comp, get used to your teammates and not rage

In solo its simply@up to your own choices

In 3s its team effort

There should be a reward unique to that

[hot solstice]

WTF with mmr? I get 15pts per win...arms btw

[mild thunder]

“Decent players rarely hitting LFG” doesn’t really have anything to do with OCE tbf. But there are plenty of guilds on Barth and frostmourne to find partners. I’ve been queueing in OCE through most of SL, I’m far from a great player, and I’ve ended up having several very good oce players on my bnet, most of which are ex and/or current glads. It’s definitely doable, and they don’t need to tear down the current glad system

[mild thunder]

Because it’s not the same activity

At all

[bright stream]

I think this is like the only real position that supports the rewards being different

[thick reef]

so a 3rd mount for non shitters cool we all agree

[mild thunder]

I literally said solo shuffle should have it’s own rewards

Probably not a mount

But something

[thick reef]

what else is there than titles and mounts

[scarlet sorrel]

Maybe recolor of enchant illusion

[mild thunder]

Mount rewards are typically reserved for high coordination endgame competitive content

[bright stream]

also why do you want fewer rewards?

[mild thunder]

Didn’t say we wanted fewer rewards

[thick reef]

you get mounts for existing or spending money in the cash shop

[mild thunder]

Specifically the endgame trifecta of CE, KSM and glad

[bright stream]

KSM is very easy to get a mount for, why would SS not award one?

[mild thunder]

Yes, KSM is very easy, which is why they have rebalanced it for this xpac

[thick reef]

way easier than .1% of anything people are all trying to get to

ksm isnt gated behind be better than everyone else

[mild thunder]

If they were going to change ksm, I’d rather they push the mount back to KSH

[bright stream]

or finding the right group of people when you can play

[mild thunder]

There’s nothing wrong with these rewards not being accessible to everyone

[zenith marlin]

being higher rated in ur spec in solo shuffle > being higher rated in ur class in other formats

kekw

[mild thunder]

Because PvE functions differently to PvP? If you don’t want your competitive gaming to be locked behind being better than other people, don’t pvp?

[bright stream]

the only PvP guild I've seen on frostmourne is the horde guild that works fulltime camping alliance players

[mild thunder]

Boomer

[thick reef]

so league of legends getting challenger in solo queue is a wash because...you didnt queue as a team?

[brazen rock]

and proud

[mild thunder]

Then you’re not looking.

[bright stream]

yeah PvE is harder LOL

[mild thunder]

[bright stream]

which guilds?

[mild thunder]

If pve is harder, and therefore glad is easily accessible, why are you complaining?

[thick reef]

whos complaining

[bright stream]

I wasn't complaining

someone came in here whining that their elite status was undermined by giving 3v3 rewards to SS

and I think it's reasonable and they're a baby

[brazen rock]

dont think they were whining

[mild thunder]

This entire thing is you complaining about gladiator being locked behind 3s.

[bright stream]

wot

[brazen rock]

someone said glad mounts should come from shuffle and they got blasted for it

[thick reef]

no one said gladiator should come from shuffle

[mild thunder]

Yes they did

[thick reef]

we just said a mount would be nice for top .1

[mild thunder]

Lmao

[thick reef]

find pls

[zenith marlin]

LoL solo queue players absolutely curb stomp pro team players in lane

[vestal quail]

am i right in thinking that the only conq wep for fury TG is crit/vers?

[bright stream]

that was the start

[brazen rock]

yup

[mild thunder]

Right here sir

[vestal quail]

Can we use the Vers / Mast polarm?

[brazen rock]

ofc

[mild thunder]

Literally two examples of people asking for glad mounts in ss

[thick reef]

bro at this point youre just being a contrarian lol

take away ksm mount then cause that shit is a joke compared to glad

[mild thunder]

I literally, literally said ksm mount should be kicked back to ksh

To put it in line with CE and glad

[thick reef]

its still pve

[mild thunder]

Okay????

Pve should have rewards

[thick reef]

:l

fucking anime pfps

[delicate bronze]

yikes

[mild thunder]

Dude at this point you’re just being a contrarian 🤡

[thick reef]

🤹‍♂️

[zenith marlin]

do anyone actually disagree ss is more personal skill than 3s?

[hazy isle]

Anime pfps are cute

[bright stream]

@mild thunder what are these sick pvp guilds meant to be? I wanna sus them out.

[bright stream]

nah people just hate change and are bored waiting for queues - don't want an extra 6 people to get their average-shit looking mount

[mild thunder]

Based king. It’s also not even an anime pfp, it’s a picture someone drew me for my birthday lmao

[mild thunder]

If it’s average and shit why are you so sore?

[bright stream]

aren't you 29? anime at 29 is yikes

[mild thunder]

No… I’m not

[delicate bronze]

why does it matter what he likes😂

[bright stream]

I literally don't care about the mount, I just think that the activities are equal/very close to equal and should award similar/same rewards

[thick reef]

That was the motorcycle pfp

[zenith marlin]

hows my pfp

meaty eh

[thick reef]

Adonis

[zenith marlin]

its 5 yrs old kekw

[mild thunder]

the activities are not that close though

there's a different level of coordination required in 3s

[thick reef]

New warrior change Tuesday if youre big 3 max isn't 1k you have to reroll

[mild thunder]

there's a reason different classes excel in ss and 3s

[bright stream]

I don't think it's a different level, I think it's different in nature though. You have to actively look for the information as a player rather than have it reported to you.

people will develop WAs and addons that manage a lot of it quickly

[bright stream]

it's because people use coms as a crutch

[thick reef]

Atleast it's split up by spec

The ratings

[bright stream]

it'll change slowly as people figure it out

[mild thunder]

yes, they are different in nature - and as such, should not have the same rewards. there is a different skillset required to push high rating in 3s, and it caters to a fundamentally different audience

[brazen rock]

lul

[mild thunder]

yes, im aware. the point i was making is that different classes - more solo/self-reliant classes - excel in ss because they're less reliant on teammates

[brazen rock]

call shuffle players "kids" and say no they shouldnt get glad mount

bitchfest for an hour now

[mild thunder]

this is your mess, idk why im involved

take over for me

[thick reef]

It's called a civil debate

[brazen rock]

nah im doing m+

[thick reef]

Wrf else am I supposed to do with 30 min queues

[mild thunder]

i mean, idk if its civil when people are trying to make personal potshots against me

[thick reef]

I can only beat it so many times man

[brazen rock]

ignore them they'll get farmed by a dh or assa rogue next solo que anyways

[subtle elbow]

can someone tell me burst window for fury

[mild thunder]

no they wont, they play fury

[subtle elbow]

is it same as pve

[thick reef]

I only get farmed by ret pallys

Tyvm

[brazen rock]

assa rogue farms fury wym

[mild thunder]

just go with the fury joke, bro

pls

[brazen rock]

[mild thunder]

serious talk - dwarf looks like fucking ass, and i already regret this race change

[thick reef]

😮

that hurts

only alliance race that looks good in plate

[mild thunder]

human female looks based in almost all mogs

[thick reef]

ehh

[zenith marlin]

bruh the human female rework

https://tenor.com/view/inquisitor-whitemane-whitemane-inquisitor-mograine-migraine-gif-18547663

[mild thunder]

i had a really good samurai mog going, but it looks so bad on my new dwarf

[zenith marlin]

arise champion?

[subtle elbow]

isnt that HOTS whitemane?

[bright stream]

firedwarf looks good tho

[zenith marlin]

ye its

my gif skills low

[subtle elbow]

bruh

if youre going to link hots characters

[mild thunder]

so that i feel like im playing ghost of tsushima even when im playing wow

[subtle elbow]

🧎

[zenith marlin]

now that blizz

is mommy

[subtle elbow]

if dragon, why built like a mummy?

[mild thunder]

objectively, factually, demonstrably, axiomatically false

[bright stream]

yeah look, they're still dwarfs you're not wrong

[subtle elbow]

i think the customisation of dark iron dwarves makes dark irons look trash

[bright stream]

how people feeling about races rn?

[subtle elbow]

i've always like people of all races, caucasians ive never been a fan of though

[bright stream]

saw some chad rocking goblin on the ladder earlier

[mild thunder]

i like the multicultural moves, but ultimately i think people should keep to themselves a bit more

oh wait, i misunderstood the question

[subtle elbow]

but yeah while im here can someone tell me fury burst window with TR?

is it just charge reck avatar tr

then do i want to enrage into slam or bt?

[mild thunder]

thinking of going tauren, but it looks so bad on all the good mounts

• cant use helmets

also wpvp as horde on oce is borderline impossible lmao

play barth horde so you can dominate alliance ---> get sharded into frostmourne region anytime you wpvp :))

[bright stream]

yeah its pretty bad, moved to alliance to play with buds, and the number of PvE players that think WPvP as alliance OCE is hard/worth participating in is super cringe

[mild thunder]

you know whats cringe?

nagrand players

that whole nagrand/caelestrasz/khaz'goroth cluster

hoooly they are cringe af pve players

[bright stream]

lool, yeah khaz' kids are real weird with their server pride

[mild thunder]

its cause they were a pve-only server back when it was a thing

they're all tryhard raiding guilds over there

meanwhile frostmourne - the pvp realm - still has better raiding guilds

[bright stream]

they only ever have like a single CE guild at a time as well

its odd af

[mild thunder]

i came from cael way back in the day, frostmourne is defs the best place to be rn

[subtle elbow]

agreed

(i'm from frost)

i used to play jubei ages ago, genuine weirdos on horde

i think my guild leader was a convicted pedophile

stuff he said was so whack

[mild thunder]

im jubei atm, which is fine bec its connected to frosty

all my good names arent available on frost :/

[thick reef]

probably just average wow player

use the alt modifier letters

[mild thunder]

one of the guys i used to raid with was a highschool PE teacher... would say the most disgustingly unsavoury shit

[pearl prism]

I met my third ex wife on frostmourne

[subtle elbow]

never got how romance starts from video games

"hey thanks for tanking my +13, wanna date?"

[mild thunder]

S tier rizz

[thick reef]

@elfin surge i am so sorry for this ping oh almighty god of all warriors, please forgive me but

... what enchants u runnin bru

[thick reef]

i met my second husband on moon guard

[subtle elbow]

i met some of the most dogshit healers on tichondrius

[thick reef]

you can probably find his armory on a wow ranking page

[tawny river]

no, it's like, "ohh your dps is so big"
"wanna see what's else big?"
"yeah"
*send dick pic
*date, wedding, kids, happy life

[subtle elbow]

happy life? he just said his 3rd ex wife

[thick reef]

hes divorced = happy

no more wife to deal with

[subtle elbow]

his bank account after 3 divorces would say afterwise

[mild thunder]

that is an unholy realm to meet a partner on

[thick reef]

oh yea but you know what they say about money buying happiness

[tawny river]

well i live in EU so we don't have to pay ex wifes just for existing

[thick reef]

it really depends on how many kids he has

[tawny river]

but they might take 50% of stuffs at divorce

[subtle elbow]

i met a girl through gaming that i dated once and realised i dont want a gamer girlfriend

[thick reef]

demand equal pay, marry higher earning person, divorce take half of his shit ??? profit

[subtle elbow]

jordan peterson would hang his head in shame to the state of her room

[thick reef]

yea gamer girls are usually as degenerate as the rest of us

[leaden lynx]

Get wife who likes cosplay 💯

[zenith marlin]

my wife didnt have wifi growing up

had wifi first in university

[subtle elbow]

i hope you can fight

[thick reef]

or american and strapped

[bright stream]

peterson too busy eating steaks and hoverhanding scomo

[warm kiln]

What we think about the buffs to Arms ? It would be viable in 2s boys? 😄

[bright stream]

12 rules for life should be subtitled addict tells you to clean room

[tawny river]

man i played it takes two with my gf, i was kinda flaming her, she has zero skills, can't even move with keyboard + use mouse together 😂

[subtle elbow]

literally anyone can get addicted to benzos

[scarlet barn]

Some hot non pvp takes

Smh

[bright stream]

hard to say, I'm concerned about into casters

[thick reef]

truly the mind of a wild animal

[subtle elbow]

even just 1 benzo will fuck your head up

or was it codeine

[mild thunder]

it was benzos

[bright stream]

yeah but petersons whole thing is like if you clean your room and read all the right wing books he likes then you can chat about issues - and how you should listen to him cause he has his shit together

[thick reef]

lol

relax hassan

[bright stream]

bro I got 20-30 minute queues

talking about absolute garbage in warrior pvp chat is where its at now

[thick reef]

It's also how in most cases the people who read Peterson's works and it helped them didn't have a father figure to tell them what he wrote down

true

[mild thunder]

tbf australian disposition toward peterson is generally pretty low

[subtle elbow]

i played it takes two with my good mate and realised i'm the smartest guy in the friendship group

[tawny river]

xD

[subtle elbow]

jp's books: i sleep
jp's anything else: real shit

[bright stream]

oi deadset you degenerates

if u do board games, give pandemic legacy a crack with ur missus

well assuming ur not single degenerates but

[thick reef]

board games are like

the 2nd most boring thing you can do

after puzzles

[subtle elbow]

first is talking bout em

oh

[tawny river]

hell no

[bright stream]

nah that's cause you're thinking of garbage like monopoly

[mild thunder]

read his first 12 rules... it's an interesting read, but a lot of it boils down to unproveable just-so evo psych stories

[bright stream]

there's some super complicated board games that are sick

[tawny river]

there are dope board games

[subtle elbow]

i did read it

[mild thunder]

can be super beneficial on a personal level, but not exactly "true"

[thick reef]

idk we played uss settlers of catan? and kinda figured it out and then it sucked

[subtle elbow]

hence why i said i sleep

[mild thunder]

sorry, to clarify i meant I read it

not telling you to read it

[bright stream]

it's not good ay, I brought it as a gift for someone who was into him when he first popped up

[subtle elbow]

he contradicts himself in the book a few times too

[bright stream]

and couldn't bring myself to gift it because it was written like garbage

think I've still got it collecting dust downstairs

[zenith marlin]

do the rampage very good yes

yall think im fury brain

[mild thunder]

dunno about that... its written in such a way as to merge fatherly advice with academic literature, and it does so pretty well. can definitely criticise the actual content, but its written pretty damn well

[zenith marlin]

but i play all 3 specs

[mild thunder]

good bits of light humour, easy-to-understand etc

[zenith marlin]

half my bag are my pvp sets

and i play all of them very medioce

xdxd

stuck 1.6k

[thick reef]

but hes "right wing" is the real issue

opps

wrong reply

[subtle elbow]

I think maps of meaning is better than 12 rules

[zenith marlin]

only wing i know are my phatt lats

rows for the hoes brother

[brazen rock]

[thick reef]

lmao

[subtle elbow]

Im going gym now

New job got me fatigued to a t

[thick reef]

wide back get the hoes in the sack

what happened to chris jones

is he still alive

[mild thunder]

havent read it, probably wont get around to it

[bright stream]

nah it's nothing like academic literature

[subtle elbow]

^

If you want academic psychology literature just read carl jung

[bright stream]

its written like contrite condescending garbage

[mild thunder]

i should've been more clear in that case - it merges academic concepts with fatherly advice

[zenith marlin]

my gym is in my living room

[mild thunder]

and it does so decently well

[zenith marlin]

well i have no living room

its a gym

wife has a couch in it

[bright stream]

the thesis is 'clean your room before you're allowed to engage in the world of political and social discussion'

[zenith marlin]

how is a degenerate like me is married u may wonder

[bright stream]

its not even remotely academic in concept

[zenith marlin]

i have never voted in my life

[thick reef]

i voted for kanye 2020

[zenith marlin]

except for selecting board members

[thick reef]

well that was a mistake

[zenith marlin]

im born in turkey but living in canada for 6+ yrs now

so rly cant vote anywhere

[subtle elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/quarantine-crazy-mirror-lonely-stay-at-home-stay-home-gif-16941242

Agimus rn

[flat zephyr]

do u guys ever press hamstring at all

[mild thunder]

that's a pretty small part of the book... a lot of it touches on how to understand your own personal headspace and psych struggles with naturalistic analogies. and the concept of "clean your room" is probably pretty useful insofar as people should have a hold on who they are and make sure they're actually functional adults with real-world experiences before trying to tear down functional political systems

[thick reef]

i thought migrating to canada was like a pain in the ass

[zenith marlin]

man reading is harder than typing so i just type

[subtle elbow]

Based

[zenith marlin]

it is but I got my bachelors in canada then got into banking

[lucid walrus]

it's genuinely your most important debuff to maintain

your options are keep it up as often as possible or sit career 1600

[bright stream]

here:
"Dogs are like people. They are friends and allies of human beings. They are social, hierarchical, and domesticated. They're happy at the bottom of the family pyramid. They pay for the attention they receive with loyalty, admiration and love. Dogs are great." Pg 352.

[thick reef]

oh yea like any country if youre educated that'd make it easier

[bright stream]

look at this. It's written for like he's speaking to a child.

[thick reef]

so blast his editor

[bright stream]

nearly 400 pages in and he's treating his reader like a moron.

[mild thunder]

because its supposed to be accessible for everyone? i literally said its written in such a way as to come across as fatherly advice

[thick reef]

most of them probably are

[subtle elbow]

I’ll repeat

If you want academic literature like jp just read jung

[mild thunder]

there's so much stuff to criticise JP on - the guy is whack - but this really isnt it

[zenith marlin]

i wish i got into math instead finance

math is very universal

[lucid walrus]

for real

jung's a beast

[subtle elbow]

Jp is “jungian”

[zenith marlin]

u can be a mathematician in a communist society

how can I do finance universally

[lucid walrus]

everyone uses currency atm

[subtle elbow]

Dont communists work with double digits at most

[bright stream]

Page 188 he's trying to say that you can only find truth through Christianity

12 rules for life is so easy to criticise because it's terrible

[zenith marlin]

why find truth when what the managing director says is the truth anyway

[thick reef]

whos the managing director

[mild thunder]

a lot of the content is pretty shit - the actual writing generally isnt

[bright stream]

that's not a good thing ey

[mild thunder]

never said it was a good book... i just think its kinda cringe when most people that offer criticism are morally lucky dipshits that usually dont even understand what he's saying

[zenith marlin]

my bosses boss

[thick reef]

atleast he actually seems to give a shit about the mental wellbeing of young people when most dont

[zenith marlin]

hmm

i mean u need young ppl so when u retire ur wealth has meaning kekw

[mild thunder]

i'd say he used to... he's gone down the full grifter path over the last 1-2 years

[thick reef]

you dont want to buy a carpet?

[zenith marlin]

jordan peterson rly be the type of mf to write self help books lmao

and speaks fast and smart

[thick reef]

im reading cenk ugurs memoir and im learning how to become a fat tub of shit

[zenith marlin]

not my type

once i required motivation

[bright flume]

bro i just got stomped by arms warrior in arena

is it the new meta?

[zenith marlin]

all i need is a 10 sec video of jon pall sigmarsson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWUcHKAj_tc

[thick reef]

THERE IS NO REASON

TO BE ALIVE

IF CANNOT DO DEADLIFTS

dont even have to click it

[zenith marlin]

And as soon as he couldn't, he died.

Doing deadlifts

no man will live up to him

[thick reef]

true

[subtle elbow]

Agmius is in some questionable discord servers for sure

[zenith marlin]

wait u can see them?

dang im doxxed

[thick reef]

lol

[lucid walrus]

i'll respect the standpoint of "solo shuffle should award glad mount" when rbgs and 2s award one

[subtle elbow]

Please dont be in autofellatio

[zenith marlin]

wait rbgs award things?

[mild thunder]

because none should, right? right???

[zenith marlin]

when will they allow random queue RBGs

[thick reef]

fantastic idea!

[zenith marlin]

btw my dear prot warrior freidns:

u can easily solo ashran final boss in their fortress

just go there and 1v1 him

if plyaers dont realize u win

[thick reef]

does anyone know why

azzinoth is still the only shield that sits on your arm like a proper tower shield

[lucid walrus]

i think so

[subtle elbow]

i might do some shuffles after gym

ttyl

[thick reef]

i dont play prot but i was looking at shields and they all look like DOGSHIT

[zenith marlin]

wym brother

my shield fucks

[thick reef]

azzinoth bulwark is the only thing that sits rtight

[mild thunder]

[subtle elbow]

remember when one of the best shields during bfa was a fucking DOOR

[thick reef]

oh well im a dwarf i cant use that

[brazen night]

As a dwarf: charge the door

[zenith marlin]

the maldraxxus shield aint bad

the covenant one

but yeah i get u

[elfin surge]

for what

[zenith marlin]

Valor in Victory now only 1 rank and now provides 1% Versatility and reduces the cooldown of Die by the Sword by 30 seconds. that's a buff lmao

[spice hornet]

i miss the intervene conduit

[zenith marlin]

yall read the 10.0.5?

its alota text

[brazen rock]

yes weve all read it

[zenith marlin]

idk what is nerfed and what is buffed

[bright stream]

casters getting better

[thick reef]

arena/solo

[bright stream]

arms slighty better

[brazen rock]

arms gets 2 extra points in Arms and 1 extra in general

pre cool.

[zenith marlin]

damn

nice

[thick reef]

also boys what do yall recommend getting first with trophies of strife

[brazen rock]

421 wep next week

if fury enjoyer

[thick reef]

ofc fury

[elfin surge]

for weapons ?

or what

[bright stream]

heres the other question

[thick reef]

yeaa

[bright stream]

say you weapon vault like a chad

[thick reef]

im not sure between sophic or frozen

[bright stream]

do you buy a 2nd weapon or use trophies for the 2nd?

[brazen rock]

trophies

[pearl prism]

Based

[elfin surge]

im using frozen devo

[brazen rock]

buy neck for 3x slots + 2 other pieces.

[elfin surge]

the damage ones

[zenith marlin]

wait

yall are in US

[thick reef]

ok ty king 👑

[zenith marlin]

i am an eu player

[bright stream]

has anyone dived on the 1h nonsense for fury with the upcoming changes?

[thick reef]

wait there are people who arent american?

[brazen rock]

go ask #fury im sure they'll give you a good answer lol

[zenith marlin]

i solely play SMF for 3 expansions

cuz my MS is prot

and I recycle my one handers

[thick reef]

smf is just admitting youre not strong enough to life 2 2hers

[bright stream]

they have no idea whats going on - I remember trying to chat about it last xpac at the start and no one actually knew what they were talking about

[zenith marlin]

i just read the tool tips man

one hand for one hander

[bright stream]

in pve it was ~3.5% behind during CN

[zenith marlin]

dang I just admitted I read

[gentle horizon]

from skillcapped

doesnt this mean arms is slightly better?

[thick reef]

am i blind or is fury not on the list

[bright stream]

pre sure that's out of date

[gentle horizon]

its not on the list

[zenith marlin]

probs very low data

[gentle horizon]

because there are none

[bright stream]

there's around 50-60 characters for fury 2100+ rn

[zenith marlin]

if it was released december 15

damn look at us, we are statistics kings

[gentle horizon]

nvm im on crack ignore the list lol

does anyone have an updated one?

[zenith marlin]

ill drop u a live one

[thick reef]

oh no

[zenith marlin]

https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/

https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics/solo/all/

here's top 5000

its all fury

skillcapped massive L

as u can see there is space for an extra bar on that skillcapped graph

i think fury just got yeeted lmao

why is there 10k fury warriros in the top 5k list

im stop spam now

[gentle horizon]

thanks for the data

im def using that website

[thick reef]

fuck my positive win rate probably just means the my spec is op i guess im still bad

[gentle horizon]

idk if top 5k is accurate but

this is 2400cr+

[zenith marlin]

but above 2.4k appearantly is all

yeah

pain

[thick reef]

oh yea fury sucks im actually a god

[zenith marlin]

i like how healers

just didnt cut it

evidence that they are drones

[gentle horizon]

so do i reroll a DH or are they gonna get hit lol

[zenith marlin]

i been waiting for DHs to get hit since legion

but look at DKs now

hero classes come and go

[bright stream]

dks like ~75% of the time toilet tier

even when people think it

is like god tier, it's still worse than war/rogue every time

pre sure (genuinely) if you look at the stats for the last decade, DK is consistently the least represented arena class

[brazen rock]

dk usually pretty dog tier

carried by ww usually

[bright stream]

yeah they always get strapped to something actually good to do well

warlock/war/ww

the defensive kit just super outdated

relying on DS to live against the world of MS

[thick reef]

unholy always seemed like a cool spec thematically to play too :/

[zenith marlin]

miss UH in MoP

when they kept 100% of ur max health in necroti

[bright stream]

100% the old rune system, the old necro strike, it was a real and strong class

[delicate bronze]

ss que cucking me

que popped at 8 min, someone declined and now its at 20 min

[bright stream]

yeah you need a side hussle for SS play

esp as fury

[delicate bronze]

im arms

[brittle swift]

you guys holding conq to see if wep in vault?

[bright stream]

yep

100%

[brazen rock]

100%.

[brittle swift]

only thing i fuckin struggling with is getting primals man

i dont pve for shit

at least not since legion

[zenith marlin]

man

u pay wow sub

and u dont pve

thats ur choice i respect that

[brittle swift]

usually a big commitment to pve now so

[lean burrow]

maybe auctions pay for his sub

[brittle swift]

did mythic nathria

[royal rose]

Blizzard needs to step in asap and deal with the people who leave in solo shuffle making it to where no one gets any rating

[thick reef]

arent they on tuesday

[thorn herald]

Yeah there will still be shitty times where you get the weak link first 3 games and then someone leaves so you get hosed before you get your rebound wins

[thick reef]

Havent seen a single DH in solo tonight >> though I'm also in the 1500 range, have they all just left that low MMR?

they're all like 2k now kek

[lucid walrus]

dhs aren't absurdly common

[thick reef]

Also had my first 6/0 win which was fantastic.

nice

[lucid walrus]

but also psure the game was hotfixed to give dhs an mmr injection just by logging in

[thick reef]

probably true

On the bright side that match taught me how to baby sit bad healers

my last shuffle was rough for the hpal

poor guy lost all 6

[lucid walrus]

might give up the arms solo dream and start fresh on fury bc it has a couple disadvantages

[thick reef]

My hpal fights have been free wins >> they drop

[lucid walrus]

namely less healing and the lack of algorithm favor by trying to not put you in games w/ furies

[thick reef]

even when my team doesnt follow my "We're killing the hpal" they drop with just me. its, weird

ret are blasters tho

Mind you I've only done like not even a dozen matches, but the paladin fights have been hillariouslly easy

[lucid walrus]

ret smokes you so bad

[thick reef]

my first shuffle queue a glad ret came in and just deleted all of us

it was kinda funny

[lucid walrus]

30% of someone's hp every minute with a crit is crazy

++ toll

[bright flume]

whats your guys thoughts on conquest polearms for fury?

vs swords

with crit

[thick reef]

whats on the polearms

[vivid oracle]

almost every shuffle game I have now is a 6/0 healer diff. I have no control over my rating anymore.

[uneven turret]

how many pieces of boe 398 pvp gear is there

i see 8 slots of plate + trinkets

any weap/accesories

[near delta]

Have yall been playing roar or spear with TSG?

Feels like spear gets more value with the abom change, but I miss my bleeds.

[undone pumice]

bleed build/sksp i go roar everything else spear

but also play frost tsg soo

grip blind spear is nutty

[near delta]

Yeah massive value with frost in particular

[undone pumice]

unironically i think frost tsg will be good with the arms changes but unholyfury is also gonna b good

[near delta]

I queued into a Arms Unholy TSG earlier today and jesus christ it was a lot of damage.

[woeful solstice]

good evening warriors

[brittle swift]

damn my war is cursed

stuck in 1600 mmr

aids

[mild thunder]

it will be a slightly obscene level of cleave damage

only problem is it wont be super durable, esp against other melee cleaves

[zenith marlin]

is fastest 60-70 trough quests?

[copper hare]

if you don't have insane gear and don't tank dungeons by yourself, then yes

[zenith marlin]

not on this rogue im levelnig solely for wpvp I dont xd

[scarlet barn]

Maybe you asked wrong people

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Basically smf is still inferior and it is not getting better

[subtle elbow]

back from legs

[spice hornet]

ggs boys furry sucks. going back to my sub rouge.

not playing a D tier class this month

[undone pumice]

[bright stream]

There was some speculation on weapon/attack speed with the frost enchants that was promising

[scarlet barn]

Well, it isnt

[bright stream]

But I still have a hard time beliving itd be worthwhile

[scarlet barn]

Smf is bad

Is the short version of it

Unless some broken weapon appears in next season

[bright stream]

Right but I'm not talking about the short version

[scarlet barn]

For now tg is recommended

[bright stream]

Im curious about edge cases/going in to detail. At the time I had to do that myself. 3.5% dam dif not worth, but 1% might be for 5% move speed for example.

[wooden grove]

gonna be honest

SMF shouldn't exist

best part about fury is TG mogs

walking around waving my dick around

[scarlet sorrel]

imo TG looks stupid

hot take i know, but that is a preference

they should just let us mog two handers into one handers

[compact heron]

so boys about our tier sets...how do we aquire these? the tier set bonuses arent on the conq gear correct?

[median shuttle]

How do we deal with DH's bois

I havent had any issues with them in 2s but 3s they always find someone to cleave

Really hard to kill, really hard to peel

[delicate bronze]

you pve

[uneven turret]

So does it scale up in warmode too?

[copper hare]

Nope

Only if you get in combat with other players

and in pvp based world quests

[uneven turret]

ah kk

that makes sense

cuz otherwise its pve

so should be pve ivl

[copper hare]

fine trade off for not having to upgrade shit anymore

[uneven turret]

yeh

[wooden grove]

that's why they aren't a kill target

[brittle swift]

damn bruh was 1797 almost got that elite set then lost 100 in shuffle

2 5 round wins 0 points gained

its gunna be rough

[compact heron]

Wait whut???

[undone ermine]

Wait you went 5 - 1 and got no rating?

[delicate bronze]

ss rating gain is fucked

[brittle swift]

yup

[spice hornet]

2.1k mmr in 2s and you still run into double sub rogue but this time they can waste your time even longer due to 2 v anishes

[mild thunder]

sounds fun :))

[spice hornet]

they can also almost kill you through enraged regen + pain sup at 100%

[uneven turret]

are ppl saving their trophy for a weapon upgrade next week?

[undone ermine]

Seems to be the consensus.

[mild thunder]

saving for weapon/saving to make sure they dont overlap w/ vault

[undone ermine]

Fury players saving conquest and trophy for next week, and praying for vault RNG.

[mild thunder]

buying 2 conq weapons is the only reason i'll advocate for SMF to be viable

[uneven turret]

i mean we do reap the benefit

of having dw 2handed wep

[undone ermine]

I guess maybe? Though you're also sorta balanced around having that bonus; which is why SMF was or is so lackluster.

[thick reef]

a guy in my match earlier won all 6 and gained 0

[undone ermine]

Oof.

Yeah that's... Unacceptable.

[thick reef]

2150 lowest in the game was 750

[undone ermine]

You shouldn't be put in games where you can only lose rating.

Because no matter how good you are, it only takes one player to be a complete spud and you auto-lose 2-3 games because they're just too damn heavy.

[brazen night]

Solo shuffle ain't for me I guess. My ADHD kicks in with these 30min queues and I keep missing games

[urban skiff]

why it be like this

[vast goblet]

love and hate solo. Going 5/6 just for someone to leave is depressing

[urban skiff]

almost left my first game

healer was extremely abusive

[rare ibex]

Anyone having an issue securing kills as fury? I'm almost never focused, but my teammates die quickly despite fear, disarm, stun, rally, etc. It seems like DH, monk, rogue just do awesome when I'm against them, and crumple when they're on my team.

[urban skiff]

That's exactly how i feel too. I think the prevailing opinion is to go arms instead?

[bright stream]

focus on slows, and intervene early on

when you hit your 45 and 1:30 burst windows make sure you go hard

[undone ermine]

Fury has enormous pressure but lacks that kill-securing burst I've found. But on Arms you'll find yourself getting trained and unable to actually get the damage out.

I feel like I can't leave D-stance most games, and I've found it necessary to have a gear-switching macro for shield block.

[weak swallow]

was up for an hour last night xd

[bright stream]

in SS I end up sitting dstance as fury a lot too, just try to swap back out for goes

heal pugs are a mixed bag - a lot of them don't really get playing with melee

[undone ermine]

Yeah, most of them want to sit at 40 yards and can't respond to your movements.

Though here's a funny one, I got yelled at by a healer for lining him.

I'd just gotten mind-games and he was pumping heals into me.

No dispel.

[rare ibex]

Is MUD arms yet?

I feel like he's such an Arms lover that if he's not playing it, it must be absolute gutter.

[delicate bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[weak swallow]

tryna craft my boots, should i make sure its max quality?

or does it not matter

[mild thunder]

he tried some games earlier, but he's definitely not maining it

[bright stream]

I'm keen to give it a crack on wednesday

[urban skiff]

quality only matters for pve ilvl

[sharp meteor]

For the purposes of pvp the quality won't matter.

It having a balls ilev in pve hsouldn't affect anything other than like killing mobs for wqs

[undone ermine]

I love that we're getting some damage buffs, but Blizzard seem to refuse to acknowledge Arm's general squishiness.

[urban skiff]

it aint much, but it's honest zug

[delicate bronze]

MMM HAVE A 10% EXECUTE BUFF

[urban skiff]

with high enough damage buffs you don't need survivability

[undone ermine]

Can't die if there's no one alive to kill you.

★｡･:¯_(ツ)_/¯:･ﾟ★

[weak swallow]

dope dope so i can just public order it then

[urban skiff]

warrior cc is killing them

[weak swallow]

or, better yet, sell all these gold mats .-.

and just get bronze mats

[urban skiff]

your call. I like the extra killing speed in world content

[weak swallow]

i only really play pvp

[urban skiff]

i made the alloys myself at tier2, sold those mats and bought tier3 instead. So I only paid the difference + AH fee

[weak swallow]

also it says [Unique equipped: Embellished (2)]

does that mean i can equip 2 of that type?

[urban skiff]

it means you can only equip two items with embellishments

[weak swallow]

oh dope

so i can make the helmet as well

pretty pog for the bleed build

[urban skiff]

some items only has embellishment sockets and they only count if you put them in

[weak swallow]

fak tho i spent all day getting gold mats and it doesnt even matter xD

[urban skiff]

you had an interesting journey, day wasn't wasted 🙂

[weak swallow]

🤷‍♂️

just wanna break 400k hp in pvp

[queen peak]

leech or speed for cloak enchant?

[bright stream]

speed

MUD using leech right now, but imo not worth it

[lean burrow]

if speed is the better enchant, then why people skip speed talent?

[bright stream]

not playing into enough warlocks

./casters

when the hamstrung warlock hits you with CoE you want 5-10% move speed or leech?

[severe skiff]

How much leech do we honestly get form full leech enchants? we get like 11-12% speed from the speed enchants

our 5% leech talent doesn't carry healing or any thing but it's usually a large enough amount to be worth a little sustain

[spice hornet]

imp. curse of weakness without a curse dispel

[bright stream]

also if you think about it

speed gives you more dam, if you do more dam, you don't need to heal as much, because the enemies will be dead

[severe skiff]

yeah but if you're playing 3s you have your partner to help you stick to target and it's not like wars are really having issues with that with double time and short leap

people aren't just walking away from you atm

esp on your cds

[lean burrow]

speed doesn't give dam vs classes you have uptime tho

[bright stream]

it's not needed against melee

[lean burrow]

btw, how do I keep track of curses

just weakauras?

[bright stream]

but useful against rogue/mage/warlock mainly, and somewhat useful against spriest

[spice hornet]

i just look at my debuff bqar

[bright stream]

given that we're heading towards a caster meta seems like a good idea to me to lean towards that

[lean burrow]

bruh two rows of debuffs to look at, trying to find that one debuff with a curse

[bright stream]

but just I dunno, don't be poor - have two sets of enchanted gear I guess

[severe skiff]

I mean I play speed just for the day to day walking around, not arena performance, got too used to the speed gems/enchants in SL

[spice hornet]

its whatever is outlined in purple

so its easy for me to see

curses are pretty rare

[lean burrow]

debuffs have outlines?

[spice hornet]

yeah the color of the border

green is poison

blue is magic

[lean burrow]

never noticed

[severe skiff]

Full leech enchants is 2.95% leech, Before dampen/ms that's just under 29500 extra healing per 1M damage, obv dampen/ms guts that, That's not that bad and probably useful when you're looking at the duration of a 3s game, more so than the speed most of the time.

ooph fucking horrible math lol

too late

make that more like 29500 healing

[lean burrow]

30k healing seems meh

[severe skiff]

so yeah

rather have speed for questing

still understand not taking 5% movement speed talent in arena as kick cooldown reduction/damage increases prob a greater benefit

[lean burrow]

when do we take bitter immunity?

only ass rogue?

[severe skiff]

I mean the poisons you remove from sin are instantly reapplied

the most potent thing you can remove with it is an amp curse of weakness

or just a last ditch effort heal which gets gutted into nothing with damp/ms for a 3min cd

[lean burrow]

maybe spriest then

[severe skiff]

it's just a shitty talent all around

[lean burrow]

on stacked devouring plague

[severe skiff]

they need to put bleed cleanse back on it or lower cd

don't think DP stacks anymore, it just deals the damage of the previous one instantly on reapplication or something

[lean burrow]

[severe skiff]

Going to assume they just didn't want prot war to have access to a self bleed cleanse in pve

which is why they nerfed it into a dogshit ability

[uneven turret]

why is wrecking throw better than shattering throw? how do I break immune without Shattering

[severe skiff]

You use wrecking vs big absorbs and shatter vs immunes

switch between them, they are on the same choice node

[weak swallow]

kill me

[tired loom]

Should I be waiting until tuesday to spend my conq? Noticed a lot of people bought BiS weps, and some are filling their lowest PvE pieces

[sharp meteor]

Nobody has 1800 conquest right now.

[tired loom]

This is a generalized question not specific to warriors

[sharp meteor]

Also you can either grab 2h on Tuesday or chill for a few weeks and hope to rng it from vault.

1h users like Rogues, etc, grab mainhand asap.

Not sure how it works for casters.

[marble bone]

Depends on what you plan with pvp..? If its to fill up low pve pieces, go ahead. If its to get better pvp gear, wait for reset and buy after vault so you dont buy something you’d get in the vault, and save for weapon

[severe skiff]

generally most impactful to get weapon as soon as you can

Vault tokens for gem sockets are a thing from the start so less of a worry about getting bad vaults as well

If you don't get weapon in first vault then buy with conquest, then fill out your gear as you can, either go for big pieces or offpieces and bank on savings from vault rng

tier forge doesn't open til jan 23rd in which we will only be able to convert one piece a week from that point

so not like you need main tier slots anytime soon

in fact I would suggest holding off on buying tier slots for awhile

since you can likely rng them from vault

weapons > 525s and 700s first until we approach tier forge unlocking time imo

[tired loom]

Thank you guys for the info, I'll formulate different plans for my toons based on your suggestions! Super intuitive and helpful .

[spice hornet]

kekw whats wrong with you fellow warriors? #1 in 2s is Mud at 2172 and #2 is Bahjeera at like 2041

[severe skiff]

They both bought a ton of trophy gear

[brazen rock]

I mean its 2s

[spice hornet]

why hasnt bliuzz taken that away yet

lmao

[severe skiff]

they did get it taken away I believe

[brazen rock]

mud said his gear was taken away.

[severe skiff]

but not for a day or two

[severe skiff]

Remember you can also supplement your gearing with trophy gear (421) for a higher ilvl earlier in the season and replace them with conquest pieces as season progresses

Why does DH still do the damage it does

why do they refuse to actually give this shit meaningful dps nerfs

[uncut bane]

/m

[cinder lake]

I've heard that there is an enchant that need primal chaos and gives primary stat?How is it called?Is it craftable?

a gem actually

Nevermind found it.

[fast bison]

What’s the best 2v2 comps for fury?

[weak swallow]

so ig they didnt fire that guy that loves mage so much

cuz good god

[indigo helm]

I had a resto Druid giving me a lot of abuse for apparently not helping to save him even though I intervened him twice, disarmed the DH who was training him twice and used all my CC trying to peel for him. I only seen him use bear form once and it wasn’t when he was stuck in a CC chain getting burst down.

[green wyvern]

ye frost will pump

already does

fire will pump too

[weak swallow]

WHA

WHY

[indigo helm]

I’ve found I get on well with Ret paladins and DH’s

[severe skiff]

pretty sure that 500% increase ability is on something that hits in the hundreds atm

[weak swallow]

ah ok

that makes more sense

i already hate that dumbahh spec

sucks they didnt remove soul rot

[copper hare]

you should link this instead

https://gyazo.com/30b5778a22116c779e0e5a3c8715e470

[severe skiff]

they buffed soul rot by changing it to the cata version

think current version removes the dots on target and swaps it to other?

ptr change keeps dots on previous target and just applies dots to new target as well

[green wyvern]

demonic embrace nerf is huge

we just train warlocks all game now

[weak swallow]

[copper hare]

they got nerfs for 3 weeks in a row and now they received their biggest one yet.

Every heal and absorb is based on hp

[green wyvern]

yeah I don't see warlock living long against shit like turbo or tsg

[weak swallow]

wrecking throw

no more 3 year shield

afflic still annoying with drain life tho

1 tick goes from 1 hp to max like

[brazen rock]

ret arms is gonna be disgusting tbh

as is arms sp

[weak swallow]

i never understood arms appeal

fury has always been more fun for me

[green wyvern]

ret is shit

[brazen rock]

^ lol.

[green wyvern]

no point in playing ret/warr

tsg and turbo will work well with arms, assuming arms will receive some defensive buffs

[brazen rock]

you clearly haven't played against or with a ret that has more then 2 braincells

[steep inlet]

My brother is 2100 mmr as ret war atm

[green wyvern]

ret heals with wog as much as I heal with bloodthirst

ret just doesn't have anything except damage

[weak swallow]

ret is a wheelchair

[brazen rock]

idk what you gain from coming in here and just lying but ok

[green wyvern]

yeah sure

[weak swallow]

lying.

[green wyvern]

ret went from being the 2nd most played melee spec to one of the least played

ret copers are insane

[copper hare]

yeah ret dmg is pretty busted, people die in half a stormbolt, it's also insane with the dampening changes. If you live until your 2 min cooldowns it's unhealable

[brazen rock]

when you play a real bracket you'll understand

[green wyvern]

sure

[brazen rock]

🙂

[steep inlet]

Ret war is still strong

It’s just hard vs SP

And sp is very meta

[copper hare]

yeah because as always, specs like ret and arms don't really shine in solo shuffle. They require setups and a good healer, it will definitely be a banger comp in 3s

[weak swallow]

sp is strong now?

they just seem annoyingly tanky

[steep inlet]

This

[brazen rock]

basically just require ret and arms to be in comms and smart

healer can literally afk and pve heal

[steep inlet]

Sp is best class in game atm with DH

sp DH evoker being the best

And the first EU glad comp

Yesterday

[weak swallow]

healvoker is mad annoying

[copper hare]

your autocorrect said dh but you meant feral

[weak swallow]

[steep inlet]

feral is god too y

[weak swallow]

im thinking of making feral next

[steep inlet]

Jungle is making nuclear dmg atm

[weak swallow]

life seems pretty easy just dotting someone up and slapping them with 7 ass bites

and if you're gonna die go invis or tank them on bear because why not be tanky

[steep inlet]

feral dmg is absurd atm

[weak swallow]

worst part is that its not even convoke im worried about anymore

dumbass class just sits there playing like a guardian druid assassination rogue

[crude bane]

imagine evoker SP biggest broken shit

and they get buffed

imagine the scenario

SP buffed haha so fun

[steep inlet]

yep next reset

[crude bane]

[steep inlet]

They will shit on us

But also don’t forget they got defensives nerfed

And arms dmg upped again

[crude bane]

arms suck ass

[steep inlet]

Arms will eat SP alive

[crude bane]

its a kill target

thy afraid no one

[steep inlet]

That’s why

[crude bane]

8 second parry

only

and bybye

[steep inlet]

That’s why

[weak swallow]

arms kept bladestorm only to be the most useless spec in the game

[steep inlet]

U Need a hybrid with him

Or a more focused guy

Like I always say

Like arms affli

etc

Arms sp too

[crude bane]

warrior is just bottom Z tier

we have to handle this

[steep inlet]

nah

[weak swallow]

z tier

dragon ball z tier?

[crude bane]

dragon ball Z tier is SP

rogue

[brazen rock]

the doomer posting is getting so old and boring

[crude bane]

afflock

i only listen ThoGrey tierlist

[woeful solstice]

Warrior is fine stop crying lads

[weak swallow]

no

warrior is so ewak!!!#111

why are they nerfing the best ability

agai1n

):<

might as well just remove the whole class!

[crude bane]

fine is bottom tier in this game

[green wyvern]

you can take fatality, unhinged and ep in 10.0.5

[brazen rock]

can also drop unhinged and fatality memes and have ms spam battlelord + sks and bleed talents

[woeful solstice]

10.0.5 arms is going to pump so hard

[green agate]

was there a pin somewhere for the ptr arms tree?

[thick reef]

Is there any reason why my Solo Shuffle groups never want to target healers? Seem to always wanna target shit like, Mages, shamans, or druids. Yet every time I convince them to focus healer we win

[thick reef]

Wont 10.0.5 Arms still be squishy as fuck?

[urban skiff]

Won't matter. High enough damage means you apply the permanent CC

Survivability is only a hunter spec.

[thick reef]

Kinda will matter when we're the focus target in any match with nothing to keep us alive. High damage doesnt mean much when we're folding faster than anyone else and dying within a CC or dismantle.

[steep inlet]

You are not focused if played with sp or affli for example

Or enhance

[urban skiff]

Whenever arms gets nuts damage and low surv, they build teams around allowing that damage.

SL was the weird period where warrior was tanky

not the standard

[thick reef]

Arms survivability hasnt been this low in a long time. BfA, SL and Legion all had more tools for staying alive. WoD was the closest equivalent but during that time the DPS all had fewer tools for that.

[urban skiff]

Worst case just sit in dstance all day, even during burst.

[fickle forge]

The best defense is a good...

[copper hare]

dick

[green wyvern]

yep just win in the opener

[urban skiff]

Said it before, i'll say it again. I prefer pvp to feel like falling out of a plane and having to assemble a parachute from scrap on the way down.

[blazing elbow]

Guys what spec and build to play at solo ladder? I feel like I'm not doing enough dmg as fury 😦

[flat tide]

Is there a reason annihilator is the most prominent pvp build for fury? How is it better than raging blow?

[vapid rover]

For real i dont think arm have lack of survivability, just some other class have an OP survivability.
I only play arms atm because the gameplay is soo great compared to fury, an i never feel my survivability was a problem

I might change my mind when i gonna hit higher cr like 2.1k+
But atm just no prob on that, and i’m 90% the time under combat stance

[leaden inlet]

like rogue, pal, hunt ect... yeah :x

[vapid rover]

you feel rogue have more survivability than us ? when they litteraly take -50% hp on every mortal strike ?

and hunt/pal have more survivability than war till the game exist, so...

And yeah pal... "hello im pal i put my burst and .. ah you survived ? Ok so let's wait 2mn spamming words of glory under 25% - 50% anti-heal" kekw

[undone pumice]

its about the fact rogue has a lot of tools that specidically give us cancer

evaison, disarm, if sub several vanishes

[fickle forge]

Rogue rotate like 10 CDs

And 2 charges of step

[copper hare]

2 steps for all rogue specs definitely shouldnt be a thing

that's stupid af

[fickle forge]

Rogue so squishy, they get to use warr wall every 15 sec

😎👍

[vapid rover]

you can stun under evasion, hit on their back, fear them, and set up dmg (like harstrink + rend reset) during the duration of the fear, for the vanish i play bleed spec to, piercing howl => bladetorm or roar or ww then i found them easly, for disarm yeah its a problem but they had a problem with the disarm too,
Or just try to bait the disarm with a low cd burst or a bladestorm.

[cinder lake]

dh dmg is out of control xD

[vapid rover]

that is a problem

[cinder lake]

and u know what

[fickle forge]

I don't see how fear aids in killing rogues? 🤔

[cinder lake]

with all these survivability decreases they will made

he gets even more benefit

[leaden inlet]

yup, fial, 6 sec stun, 100% esquive, disorientate, soothing shade ect...

litteraly broken class

[vapid rover]

you can hit them under the fear without breaking the fear, just do low dmg ability that gonna help you to set up at the end of the fear

(like hamstring + rend)

[fickle forge]

Sounds pretty meh

[vapid rover]

actualy as bleed build that work, you end the fear by a skullspliter,

[calm nimbus]

for fury, in what order do I buy the conq gear? 🙂

[fickle forge]

Idk, you'll get like 1 hit in that way, when you can use it to stop his go or get his or his healer's trinket

[cinder lake]

@calm nimbus first the weapon

wait for next reset and the vault ]

[vapid rover]

sure fear can have way more utility, i dont say this is the only one, its just an option, war have lot options

[fickle forge]

Yeah but it's not really a practical option

[calm nimbus]

okay ty

[fickle forge]

It's something you'd do if you happen to have him low and you cross CC with it

[vapid rover]

yeah and warrior have 30% hp heal every 30sec, plate class, disarm, stun fear, 100% pary +10% hp healing, bladestorm, double charge etc... that's not an argument, rogue have good tool, warrior too

[fickle forge]

Plate matters for sure

[vapid rover]

yeah

[fickle forge]

Yeah, so not practical