pvp

[mild thunder]

20/30

[lean burrow]

no

[copper hare]

100/100

[lean burrow]

too op

[mild thunder]

15/25 is still probably weak if we dont have IP

[fossil mortar]

50/50, then you got a 50% chance to survive a rogue opener

[mild thunder]

if we're not gonna get IP - which we arent - then 20/30 is what it should be

[copper hare]

90/60/90

[mild thunder]

and give us back mop 2nd wind, and wod enraged regen

and safeguard and overwatch

[onyx vale]

give us mop gameplay

don't even need talent trees

real overpower on half gcd

poggers in the chat

[merry valley]

make dps deal damage and healers heal

[fossil mortar]

DPS deal damage, no? Healer do heal, quite certain.

[mild thunder]

i think that's what we call a moot statement

[merry valley]

as in remove healing abilities from dps and remove damage from healers

[mild thunder]

that just sounds omega boring... a lot of the more fun healers like disc and rdru play more aggressively

there needs to be some degree of overlap, just not so much overlap that its absurd

i.e. fury self-healing

[merry valley]

You can have more agressives healers that apply more cc or buff classes to do more damage. Healers bringing heavy stuff like Mindgame or Warrior topping itself like its nothing is dumb

[fossil mortar]

More CC? Please no.

I beg.

[onyx vale]

no don't remove abilities

[mild thunder]

mindgames is a perfect example of the offensive utility healers should have

[onyx vale]

that's a fucked take

everyone cried about " classes having too much and healing too much " in mop

it got us wod

[mild thunder]

2 button wod

[onyx vale]

oh but see wod, dps do dps and healers heal

what a wonderful fucking expansion

everyone prefers wod to mop, right?

[fossil mortar]

I dont care about healing or damage, just let me push buttons before I see the greyscreen.

[merry valley]

mop there where other factors

like parry chance

and the fact that plate could tank

[mild thunder]

i'd be happy for major CDs to be tuned down and pre-modifier damage to be buffed, but outright removing abilities is lame af

[merry valley]

and we didnt need the massive healings dps have nowadays

[mild thunder]

except for cc, there's too much cc

[onyx vale]

mop had massive healing

warrior never healed as much as in mop

and every warrior played loved it

[fossil mortar]

Death to CC tho... think we all agree?

[onyx vale]

death to rogues

[mild thunder]

based + true + king

[merry valley]

warrior loved to not die below 35% hp

just like dks few weeks ago

[fossil mortar]

Disarm them and they got little to no value from Deathstrike

[merry valley]

its not about just ds, the dmg reduction played a big part

warrior mop just lold everyone below 35%

passive healing go brrr

[distant raptor]

best way to farm blood tokens?

[mild thunder]

WQs

[lean burrow]

wtf are you talking about, old men

[mild thunder]

and supply box thingy

[distant raptor]

There are only 2, i did them in 10 seconds and theres no more lol

[merry valley]

daily elicopter

[onyx vale]

I was doing a little bit of trolling

[fossil mortar]

Warchests, group of 5 ganktrain, farm bounties that appear

[onyx vale]

just reminding people that asking for less buttons to press never helped anyone

[mild thunder]

you can try and farm world kills but its 1 per kill

not really worth

[merry valley]

i second that, unpruning is never good

my point is you can remake stuff

[mild thunder]

unpruning is almost always good

[merry valley]

i think all warrior would apreciate having both parry and old enrage regen

[fossil mortar]

Kill 5 ppl, and 10 show, kill them and 10 more show. You get bounty, kill 40-50 over a few times before the horde drags you down. You got 200, they get a bounty, kill bounty for an additional 50-100, then repeat.

[merry valley]

i just hate the state of Fury atm, maining it since Legion rework and making all our power into Bloodthirst is just dumb

hits hard heals and even dots people

[fossil mortar]

BT? No man, CB - yes, yes. Slam down em fools with maximum power of a thousand suns

[mild thunder]

ohhhhh, you're a fury main... makes sense

[onyx vale]

bring heroic strike back

[copper hare]

"fury mains" still better humans than weebs

let's be honest

[onyx vale]

fury are weebs

[merry valley]

Going from having to be carefull cause Enrage made us take more damage to just yolo idgaf to anything

[mild thunder]

still harping on this, huh

[copper hare]

as long as you act like a 14 year old "arms main", ofc

[fossil mortar]

What about a weeb fury main? Ultimate power

[mild thunder]

i mean, i think the more 14 year old thing to do is PM someone to have a whinge and then block them

[fossil mortar]

That is more like a 30yo thing to do, tho.

Trust, 14yo now roast you on tikktoth, or whatever ya kids do these days. A teabag of your beaten warrior, for all to see in a 4 sec clip with an 8 sec outro.

[copper hare]

any kind of weebs

[mild thunder]

tiktok has singlehandedly regressed human evolution by decades

[merry valley]

Midia overall regressed the human brain

they tell you yellow is black

and you buy it

[fossil mortar]

Warrior is A tier

[mild thunder]

[fossil mortar]

they will buy it

[merry valley]

Heres the secret

[mild thunder]

dont even joke about warr being A tier or they'll cancel our buffs

[merry valley]

you dont see tier lists

you play what you enjoy

and your happy

[lean burrow]

Arms S tier now, dstance will be nerfed to 5/35

[fossil mortar]

SMF is alive boys PvP gods with daggers!

[distant raptor]

when do you use defensive stance as fury

[merry valley]

you dont

[fossil mortar]

When you get slapped hard

[mild thunder]

dstance nerfed so that it doesnt actually reduce damage taken, only damage done

[distant raptor]

Anyone use plater and know how to remove enemy pet name plates? The checkbox doesnt do shit

[fossil mortar]

Dstance makes you take 0 damage, but, you do 0 damage - 8 sec swap CD.

[brazen rock]

Under advanced.

[distant raptor]

tried this, didnt work even when turned on

impossible to play against any pet class, screen is just a mess

[fossil mortar]

Weird, you should be able to hook off pets, minions and minor - and totems.

[distant raptor]

yeah i selected all that

no change

[fossil mortar]

Any other addon that might be doing something? If unsure, try to boot only plater

[copper hare]

You can go to the advanced tab and adjust nameplate scale of pets/minor aswell

But I wouldn't suggest removing more than minor, it's good to see some pets and totems

[glacial cargo]

no

[severe skiff]

arms is going to start catching dmg nerfs at this rate

[mild thunder]

sshhhhh

[wise fossil]

Yo I'm doing 2s with holy priest

WTF do I hit when there is another healer / DPS combo?

The DPS? The Healer? Me only know zug

[severe skiff]

w/e is closest to you, go from there. zug on

[lucid walrus]

good news: like ork said, that's exactly the idea

[fossil mortar]

If their DPS is on you, you can try getting them to stack up and get in that juicy cleave damage. If not, peel off and help out your friend as needed, just make sure that doesn't shoot your uptime in the leg. Always zug zug

[lucid walrus]

uptime is pretty much #1

[frosty bone]

Hello, sorry I am pretty new here and not sure where to ask this but anyone have any tips how to go about Sparks of Life efficiently?

[distant raptor]

What are the only MUST HAVE addons for arena? I want to keep it light

[lean burrow]

omnibar

diminish

[fossil mortar]

WAs, for soundques work wonders

[lean burrow]

what weakauras btw?

[fossil mortar]

Let's you easilly customise most things, as soundques when you are targeted or if an ability is being used. A small ping sound for cyclone or mindgames on you helps my old body and soul keep up

[lean burrow]

i mean what weakauras on wago?

[fossil mortar]

Customs, I make them myself based on needs

[lean burrow]

[fossil mortar]

It is the way

[distant raptor]

WoW PVP has such a high barrier to entry lmao

kind of ridiculous

[fossil mortar]

Nah, just level - go BG, get basic gear, do what you want. As you get better and your skill level gradually increase, you add to it as you go with addons and more optimised gear. Took me less than an evening to get full basic honor gear going

[distant raptor]

Gear is one piece of the puzzle

[fossil mortar]

Gear is solved in an evening, so no bigie. As stated.

[thick reef]

Lower corner of solo queue stat page

[distant raptor]

Im talking more about addons, class knowledge, learning who does what etc

[bright flume]

crazy.. game sense to be good at pvp who would have thought XD

[fossil mortar]

All are things you learn as you go. At lower MMR you play with and against lower skilled/knowledgeable players. As you get better, they do too. You learn new things. They do new things. Repeat. Growth.

If you mean the barrier to get top end PvP done, sure, but that is not the barrier to entry. Entry is basically a drop of water you got to step over on the street. You wont even notice it looking back, only if you bent down to see it.

[quick carbon]

the thing that makes me feel good is afking out of solo shuffles the moment the gates open, thrs nothing more alpha

[fossil mortar]

[lean burrow]

read all specs' pvp guides

[fossil mortar]

As entry level: Just play the game

Then go "hm, I want to learn more.", read up and that jazz. But most important, just play.

[distant raptor]

good way to think about it

[mild thunder]

[autumn whale]

IS there any reason as fury we dont get the pole arm? i mean, its has a little more raw dmg. are people going polearm over swords? or am i missing somethning

[distant raptor]

yeah it looks stupid

so we dont take it

[autumn whale]

but u cant xmog it into a sword?

[tranquil hemlock]

Anyone gone gnome yet?

[onyx vale]

no, we don't like puking on our keyboard

[distant raptor]

night elf

[full scarab]

RIP prot pvp

[copper hare]

literally the same damage

[lean burrow]

110 gold > 108 gold

[copper hare]

People only see the higher number, but don't see that the sword for example has higher minimum damage, which results in the same outcome

important is weapon dps

[sage raptor]

Not really. SS and Rend wasn't really where all your damage went.

Sucks but it didn't do a lot

It was mostly padding

Burst is still nutty

[full scarab]

SS I think was most of your ability to kill a target

With no Mortalstrike I think we're falling even farther behind a real dps arena spec

[sage raptor]

You never killed outside of burst anyway

[acoustic eagle]

[sage raptor]

It's just a couple more days c:

[mild thunder]

wait so it looks like the incoming ms buffs arent real

they're to compensate for losing improved MS on the tree

[lean burrow]

[mild thunder]

ig thats okay - improved MS was a lame af talent

[acoustic eagle]

unfortunately after tuesday i won't be able to play until january 5..pray for me

[sage raptor]

Noooooo :(

[acoustic eagle]

yeah i was hoping to go hard to make up for it but Bobby had other plans

[bleak locust]

is prot actually legit in pvp atm?

[green wyvern]

holy fuck they really want us to play arms

[bleak locust]

i might main switch to arms

[green wyvern]

how do you even play that spec into a sea of rogues and wizards

it's just suicide

[mild thunder]

because they gave arms a few more pve-focused buffs? i dont think they want you to play it or they'd fix its real issues

[green wyvern]

they are killing fury slowly but surely

and once they kill it warrior will have nothing for pvp

I predict MLD will rise in meta

destro warlock got huge buffs, frost mage too

[mild thunder]

dude fury is just getting nerfs to bring it in line with most other melee

they're still crazy durable atm

the only nerf that was probably stupid was the way the slaughterhouse nerf was handled

[thick reef]

buff single minded fury

i want to stab with daggers and pretend im a rogue

[green wyvern]

I know

I'm saying they will continue nerfing it

especially once they realise warpaint wasn't the main culprit

[mild thunder]

doubtful, with this nerf fury is probably fine

and tbf, a flat 10% dmg reduction for an entire game probably a little silly

unlike arms, fury has come into DF even tankier than it previously was... it was inevitable that some of it was gonna get hit

[old trail]

Best 2's healer with fury? or is arms way better

[thick reef]

idk about what healer but fury is better atm

[old trail]

kk

[mild thunder]

probably rdru or prevoker

[old trail]

Figured, tysm

[icy bridge]

i'd disagree lol, Outlaw's CPS went up to almost if not +120 in Dragonflight from the 90s in Shadowlands and theres a lot of optimization required that would differentiate the DPS from an Outlaw rogue that butchered their opener to someone whos able to do it well

CPS removing things like moving around or pressing defensives

messing up openers usually results in 15% dps loss and a pretty sizeable cdr loss

[mild thunder]

okay? you can disagree, i just stated that its boring. none of what you're saying proves that it's not boring. personally, i find high apm specs to be dull and uninteresting to play, as opposed to slightly slower/more moderate specs that encourage forethought or have in-built minigames in their rotation. feral and ww are two really good examples of what i find to be fun specs, with feral's constant dot and bloodtalons management. ww is cool because it's super unique and has a fully coherent rotation, in which each ability you use has a roll-on effect to all your other abilities, rather than independent abilities that are only used when your actually fun stuff is on cooldown (arms with slam).
this stuff is completely subjective - i cant objectively prove to you that rogue is boring or that ww is fun

[icy bridge]

Yee, that reminds me. In the current state of pvp, is Arms warrior going to return?

I've been seeing a lot of fury wars but barely any arms warriors even in high rating

[mild thunder]

kinda hard to answer... arms is getting slow yet somewhat consistent buffs, but the buffs are misplaced. if you want to play arms, its viable, but you'll have an easier time as fury.

[icy bridge]

Ah

[cinder lake]

Fury nerfs i see :/

[icy bridge]

Im surprised DH avoided nerfs this week

[green wyvern]

dh is whatever

[icy bridge]

they're doing upwards of 40k dps in Arena matches

[green wyvern]

I'm surprised rogue wasn't nuked

still mega broken

[icy bridge]

They did nuke Sub cheeses

and Sin rogue's death mark

[steep inlet]

20% nerf on Shield slam and rend…

…

6th nerfs on prot even if it’s giga hard vs magic user…

[sharp meteor]

Spec does a lot of dam.

[wheat jay]

Tank doing dps dmg

[steep inlet]

yeah but magic users were destroying me

and no ms

was kind of balance

im so sad

[hard hound]

Prot butchered

[wheat jay]

I dont think any tank has ms

So that's nothing too weird

And you are slapping 100+k crits from skills

[steep inlet]

Nah shield charge didn’t anymore

[sharp meteor]

Nope, so they were usually just like

tank + ms class

then live and pve

[steep inlet]

« Live » clearly u never tried vs caster cleave

it’s pure hell as tank

[sharp meteor]

ya wizards melt prot warr

[wheat jay]

Everything is pure hell against caster cleave tho

[steep inlet]

well I will do some tests but they possibly killed prot. Very sad

[fickle forge]

As it was all meant to be

[wheat jay]

[lean burrow]

bloodrage on arms pls, blizzard

[primal flax]

I wish we got it on arms it just feels like such a amazing ability

[sharp meteor]

Gnome is right there.

[primal flax]

I will not forsake my Dwarven beard

[sharp meteor]

It is a great time to be a Dwarf.

[tranquil hemlock]

That’s why I asked about gnome earlier

[mild thunder]

ngl i am not a fan of the dwarf aesthetic

ruins my badass samurai mog i had going

[tranquil hemlock]

I think gnome edges out human for me

Not talking about looks

[mild thunder]

looks > racials frfr

[tranquil hemlock]

Root break on arms

Fantastic

[lean burrow]

btw, can anyone remind me if elite set is supposed to unlock non-elite transmog?

I think I used to do that in season 4

[tranquil hemlock]

It doesn’t

I have elite

[icy bridge]

it doesnt lol

[sterile ferry]

Forgot we could spell reflect hunter freezing trap until earlier today

Feels good

[lean burrow]

no purple set for me

[icy bridge]

if you hit Rival 1 in this season, the Elite set color is fully unlocked

but you have to buy the normal pieces still

which purple set?

[lean burrow]

and no dk/paladin set on warrior

[mild thunder]

all i want is the dk helmet

[lean burrow]

normal conquest transmog

it'd take a few weeks to get full armor

[icy bridge]

what season or expac?

[lean burrow]

this season

[icy bridge]

Ah

Great Vault?

[lean burrow]

it's giga slow

[woeful solstice]

arms is so fucking back

[icy bridge]

ye

rn rep farming for my mog lol

[sharp meteor]

It won't.

Purple set is neato, though.

[austere stirrup]

How bad is Single Minded Fury?

[flat dome]

God I hate leavers

[sharp meteor]

Further testing may be required.

[lean burrow]

[sharp meteor]

Season is going to be like 4-6 months or something.

[austere stirrup]

I always preferred it visually, I like the extra movement speed and it means if I wanna tank in PvE I don't have to get another weapon

But it's an extra talent node

[sharp meteor]

For one reason or another they just don't want it to be better. Or comparable.

We're stuck with the big goofy swords until the end of time.

[lean burrow]

time flies

i will be old in 4 months already

[brazen rock]

sks buffed by 30% on 10.0.05 ptr

ok

[mild thunder]

how much extra damage is that in reality tho? its only the base damage thats buffed, and it doesnt do much

its like an extra 5-6k on live

[brazen rock]

idk but its EBEN MORE DAM

[mild thunder]

did you see that the ms buff is kinda fake?

bec we're losing improved ms

[brazen rock]

nah where do you see that

oh so we're getting another free talent point?

[mild thunder]

yea

[brazen rock]

well thats practically better

[mild thunder]

mortal blows thing replaces where it was and improved slam takes mortal blows old place

[brazen rock]

so your always taking rend now lol

[mild thunder]

i always took rend already, but yea ig

can take rend, sks, unhinged, exploiter etc and then have 2 points leftover

probably put into bloodborne/letting or fatality

or improved ss, IF baseline ss is only 10 seconds

which it probably is because otherwise we'd be getting 20s ss

[brazen rock]

i think we're getting 20 sec ss

[lucid walrus]

stupid fucking talent anyway

[mild thunder]

no shot

[brazen rock]

looks that way rn

[mild thunder]

true, just a shame that the buff isnt really a straight buff

[lucid walrus]

literal seven word tooltip

[mild thunder]

have you tested on ptr?

[lucid walrus]

it still works out to be a net positive numerically i think

[brazen rock]

no just looking at notes.

[mild thunder]

idk, i wouldnt get my hopes up

20s ss would be wayy too strong

[copper hare]

wish they just remove single minded soon and put in some nice single target option or something that could be useful

[lucid walrus]

that AM choice node is shared with the weird increased cd duration/reduced effectiveness right?

[mild thunder]

@brazen rock is it just me, or does the bloodletting pvp nerf make zero sense?

[mild thunder]

yea

only time you wont take AM is probably some super niche ToM build for raid

otherwise AM is just always better

[lucid walrus]

even that’d be strange though

[mild thunder]

it is a very, very weird talent xD

[lucid walrus]

does ToM go off after 10 seconds or whenever CS expires? i haven’t looked at it in ages

[mild thunder]

whenever CS expires

so you will get 26s of rage-spending

can definitely see some 60%+ str buffs

[lucid walrus]

jesus

[mild thunder]

but it seems super, super awkward

[fast bison]

How’s solo shuffle as fury?

[mild thunder]

so cs wont actually be your burst window

[lucid walrus]

yeah i hated the idea of it as soon as i saw it was being added

[mild thunder]

it'll be an amp window for ToM, so you'll end up syncing roar/spear etc with ToM instead of cs

[lucid walrus]

fine

[sharp meteor]

Good.

[crude bane]

yo they rly buffed SP And alllock on 10.05

[copper hare]

scroll further down

Lock got his biggest nerf yet

[mild thunder]

@brazen rock 20s ss with collateral could be pretty wild

if thats how it ends up

[crude bane]

ah they also nerf war paint

they nerf volley bolt for

https://gyazo.com/aa013638ef8f6810ec240081051c2307

[crude sentinel]

Wanting to buff warlock setup, proceed to buff passive dmg.

[crude bane]

tf is wrong with them

[fast bison]

Beat 2s comps for fury?

[quaint snow]

fury ded

[crude bane]

ah they nerf WW im lvl 65

ffs

WELL

BRING BACK

[quaint snow]

[fast bison]

Fud or real

[crude bane]

THE DH MONGOLOID KING OF SOLO

[lean burrow]

go play warr

[crude bane]

they have to fix soloQ before

30 min waiting not for me

for 8 min of fun

yesterday ziqo 2Hours

he canceled then put again

[quaint snow]

5% dmg reduction nerf for fury but well still be OK i guess

[crude bane]

instant

soloQ is rigged

[lucid walrus]

awful tradeoff w/ void volley nerf

[muted surge]

Fury

[crude bane]

https://gyazo.com/443e3834abab557ee97161f1be6e9300

looks fun

[copper hare]

who cares you can train lock into the ground now

[lucid walrus]

horrify effects should be removed from the game entirely

[crude bane]

yeah i was not sarcastic on this one

[lucid walrus]

is it a stun? is it a fear? it’s actually both with the worst characteristics of either

[steep inlet]

Only fix is more healers

[crude bane]

je me foutai de ta geule mais je vais vraiment jouer prot il cherche trop la merde @steep inlet

[mild thunder]

best take ive seen today

[steep inlet]

tu te foutais de ma gueule mais prot a pris 6 nerfs donc ct vraiment très fort

je savais ce que je disais

[quaint snow]

fury

[steep inlet]

btw ca sert à rien on a repris 20% de nerf la encore

for English user was saying I took 6 nerfs on prot in 2 weeks so indeed it was very strong

but 20% on rend and slam is maybe too much now

bit sad

[crude bane]

@steep inlet afflock il est huge le nerf ou pas ? psk il se font buff encore les degat

[steep inlet]

SP and affli are kings now unerfed

they were already

and they up their dmg again

[copper hare]

I can't be the only one seeing heavy lock nerfs

[crude bane]

i dont see any nerf

they still destroying eveeryone

and get buff damage

tf

[steep inlet]

Sp affli evoker will be pure horror

A disgusting comp

[copper hare]

10% less hp, no drain life absorb at max hp, demo interupt nerfed to 1 min cd

warlock already struggled vs war and specially melee cleaves, you can just run them down now

[brazen rock]

call dreadstalkers also nerfed to 60sec from 30

[steep inlet]

Arms will eat lock alive tbh

with arms dmg up again and lock surv nerf

[green wyvern]

I think wizards just play destro/frost mld now

200k glacials

200k shadowburns

[steep inlet]

ewww

rah I’m so fucking sad for prot I love it. But 6 nerf in 2 weeks is huge

also a proof it was strong

[brazen rock]

neither hit anywhere near that hard even with all the setup in the world btw

[copper hare]

fuck tanks, seriously. It was nice for conquest and honor farming with insta queues during pre patch

[mild thunder]

is Against Overwhelming Odds intended as a weekly this season?

[copper hare]

but apart from part, fuck any kind of tank spec in arena

[steep inlet]

i played it in 3s all kind of caster cleave fucked me

It was balance

[brazen rock]

i didnt get it this week.

[copper hare]

It's good they finally make tanks unviable

[mild thunder]

was it a thing last week?

i didnt even know lmao

[brazen rock]

i think its a thing for the faction thats lower pop in warmode

[steep inlet]

But sincerely why ? When a tank is Killable like other

[mild thunder]

no shot, because my realm is 99% alli or something lol

[steep inlet]

Zzz your realm doesn’t count in warmode

it’s it’s own server

[mild thunder]

wait, so its just a region-wide thing?

[steep inlet]

It select your server first

If your serv has nobody log

Or few people

It will take people from your cluster

If your cluster is empty

[wheat jay]

Tank in arena should just function like dps

[steep inlet]

It will fill with all your region

[mild thunder]

idk what this has to do with whether the quest is weekly

[steep inlet]

Was answering to that

[mild thunder]

oh, nah oce is just massively alli-dominant as a whole

only one realm has a higher horde pop and they're all ass

[steep inlet]

In this case you are fucked so

[mild thunder]

my only question was whether the quest was weekly, not having trouble finishing it or anything

but thanks 🙂

[cinder lake]

Are the nerfs fury only on th damage will be receiving when enraged?

[grand scaffold]

yo

after the upcoming changes to both arms and fury

which spec is gonna be better?

[copper hare]

outlaw

[grand scaffold]

-_-

what about between arms or fury

?

[muted surge]

Enhance seems pretty good, but they get nerfed again so not sure

Maybe ele is better

[quaint snow]

FURY DED BOYS

[torpid roost]

Fury keeps getting made less durable, which is shit, teams often focus me as it is

[brazen rock]

Probably havoc

[torpid roost]

It's like they don't want us to be good. Then again 8% on mortal strike and 3% on other abilities may do... something

[crude sentinel]

Fury is durable, provided they connect.

[undone pumice]

THE GREAT NDOGO RETURN

[grand scaffold]

🙂

is arms gonna be good they getting a bunch of buffs

[undone pumice]

they still gonna just

afaik

[grand scaffold]

why do they fuck over warrior every chance they get

-_-

[eager meteor]

For strength building

Indirect buff

[grand scaffold]

lmao

[undone pumice]

As a rogue main, I have to say that I'm extremely frustrated with the current state of the class in the game. It seems like every time there's a balance patch, rogues get hit the hardest and yet we still see other classes dominating in both PvE and PvP. It's frustrating to see our class constantly being nerfed and overlooked, while others are seemingly immune to any balance changes.

I understand that the developers have a difficult job in trying to balance the class, but it feels like they're completely biased against rogues. It's like they don't even understand how the class is played and what our strengths and weaknesses are. Instead of taking the time to properly assess the situation and make thoughtful changes, they just nerf us into oblivion without any regard for the impact it will have on our playstyle.

It's incredibly disheartening to see our class in such a poor state, and it's causing many rogue players to lose interest in the game. I just hope that the developers will take our concerns seriously and start giving rogues the attention and support we deserve.

[grand scaffold]

imagine rogue support

🤣

[mild thunder]

first arms solo shuffle against feral, assa and dh 😐

[eager meteor]

How’s your bum hole?

[mild thunder]

bloody

[eager meteor]

Did you get a W

[mild thunder]

dh dmg is definitely still a little retarded

went 50/50, games were whack

[eager meteor]

Playing unhinged?

[mild thunder]

ofc

[eager meteor]

Does do big smash

[mild thunder]

200ms though, kinda hard to get a good spear off

[eager meteor]

I have like 10ms and still do shit spears lol

[mild thunder]

truuuu, same

[eager meteor]

Straight into the crowd

[mild thunder]

feral damage is so stupid tho

considering how easy their cleave rotation is as well

[torpid roost]

Spear not being instant screws me way more than I'd like to admit

[eager meteor]

Is this eu getting solo pops?

Lol you’ll never reset your brain to not risk the long distance spear on a mage

[mild thunder]

im oce

[eager meteor]

Works every time

[mild thunder]

those 2 days of the [@target] macro bug for spear were pre cool

[eager meteor]

Didn’t get to try that

Spear aimbot

[mild thunder]

it was super stupid for freeze trap lmao

watching hpriests get trapped mid-air

[warm cipher]

Which first items did you bought with your conquest ?

[tribal wedge]

Weapon

[hollow ore]

is mortal strike 50% mortal wound baseline, and sharpen blade is just an increase of 15% in damage or is it a tooltip issue?

[copper hare]

mortal wounds are 25% in pvp

[hot solstice]

is it better for human to use 2 dps trinkets? or flat primary stat from medalion is better?

[steep inlet]

im still fucking sad

i loved shield with passion like a child with present he love in christmas

happy thing is Arms is upped again

it’s dmg will be really furious now

[green wyvern]

I mean does damage really matter

I tried arms and I get molested by wizards and rogues all day

[steep inlet]

Yes u need to play with a more focused guy than u

Like SP

[delicate bronze]

prot dead after patch?

[undone pumice]

yea

[mild thunder]

depends on what you're versing

some games you'll still want medallion, others you can use emblem + dps trink or whatever... very flexi as human

[stuck mulch]

do you guys have any good intervene macros?

[teal cedar]

is there a guide for holy paladins? playing with a friend new to arena

[stuck mulch]

probably on the paladin discord

[celest wave]

lol how hte fuck do i kill these evokers

[mild thunder]

cry, beg them to give you free wins

[mild thunder]

should be some in the icyveins guide, if not:

#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [@mouseover, exists] Intervene
/cast [@party1] Intervene

[stuck mulch]

ooh thank you, ill give it a try next week with the arms buffs

[grand scaffold]

so

arms vs fury

[tribal wedge]

still fury currently, with the next patch, idk

[steep inlet]

We took too much nerfs

Will try again but seems pretty hard now

im arms main from base but still sad

[mild thunder]

i would feel sorry for you, but man i hate tanks in pvp

[steep inlet]

i understand but I have only 60% win in soloQ and 55% in 3s

It was the most balanced of all tanks.

And less tanky than some dps

back to arms I guess. Aside from some (not so bad) trolling thx for support and discussion on prot subject guys

will do a last try next reset to see the dmgs

[mild thunder]

you're the least cringe tank pvper

[steep inlet]

<3

[mild thunder]

Troma

there should be some room for tanks in pvp, but it shouldnt be as tanks

whether they completely re-tune them in arenas (borderline impossible) or have separate queues, or something else idk

[copper hare]

prots get nerfed

dude acts like his golden retriever died

:D

[ember totem]

Prot pvp! Prot pvp!

[steep inlet]

I put a lot of time in it so I’m a little bit sad y

because I love sword and board

a little empathy isn’t bad mave

[mild thunder]

dw about Mave, he a little lost in the head

[copper hare]

no empathy for tank players in arena

[steep inlet]

a tank less tanky than warlocks, SP, even DH yep

[copper hare]

coup le copium

U know

[mild thunder]

"no empathy for tank players in arena"

will defend and cry for fury mains

[copper hare]

You still don't get it

[mild thunder]

i still dont get it 😦

one day i will, i promise

[copper hare]

Keep blaming people for playing an easy spec just because you can't escape the Rival hole

hf

[stuck mulch]

bruh evoker hurts so bad

do you guys focus them down?

[mild thunder]

truee, i am a hardstuck rival player

[grand scaffold]

would you expect fury to still be good or nope

because ngl im absolute dogshit at playing arms

[stuck mulch]

its just ur survival thats abit worse just play with something they cant let freecast

and ur free to do w/e

[brazen rock]

fury will still be playable.

[grand scaffold]

ok cool

[brazen rock]

plenty of classes losing some damage and burst.

[grand scaffold]

would you expect arms to be better?

[brazen rock]

sp and dh still gods

in 3s, maybe

2s/solo, no

[grand scaffold]

awesome

i didnt want arms to be better

😂

[delicate bronze]

i do

arms needs love

[brazen rock]

fuck fury

[delicate bronze]

fuck fury

[steep inlet]

Arms has big cock dmg

Even more next reset

[grand scaffold]

it does?

[delicate bronze]

dmg not issue

[mild thunder]

heresy!

[grand scaffold]

hahahahahhahah

[mild thunder]

[steep inlet]

I know that’s why I always say play with another more focused guy

[grand scaffold]

after the nerfs to fury

will it still have good self sustain

or nah

[brazen rock]

sustain isn't being nerfed, again.

your just going to take 5% more dam in most scenarios.

[grand scaffold]

oh

[mild thunder]

fury will still be stronkers

[grand scaffold]

so whats everybody crying about

[mild thunder]

probably

[grand scaffold]

the mortal strike?

[brazen rock]

yes

[grand scaffold]

is it getting destroyed?

[brazen rock]

its already been nerfed.

[grand scaffold]

oh

[brazen rock]

its not being nerfed again.

[grand scaffold]

oh

so is fury strong atm?

[mild thunder]

yeppers

[grand scaffold]

i thought those nerfs were next week

[brazen rock]

[grand scaffold]

is fury sustain still good?

[brazen rock]

[grand scaffold]

and

[mild thunder]

fury still a solid A tier, still probably A tier after nerfs

[grand scaffold]

is crit or haste better

[mild thunder]

haste

[grand scaffold]

what about arms after the buffs?

[mild thunder]

arms viable, maybe better in some comps

[grand scaffold]

so still fury ftw

fuckin amazing

ty for the help

[mild thunder]

nws

[quasi lotus]

don't you have

ndogowarlock

go play that

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/no-god-please-no-nooooo-no-please-no-no-god-no-gif-26334009

[celest wave]

i really ust played a solo shuffle

were 4/6 people got 0 raitng

wjhat

[delicate bronze]

anyone know how to program nameplatecooldowns to see active cds then see the cooldonw of it

[manic tree]

currently, do we aim to buy the conq weapons or go for the world pvp ones?

[scarlet barn]

[mild thunder]

is omnibar working for anyone?

[clear pine]

yes

[delicate bronze]

what nameplate addon is that?

[quasi lotus]

tidyplates

[delicate bronze]

thx

[wraith hemlock]

good morning

its arms time

[bright stream]

seeming more and more like it

[wraith hemlock]

fury will still be playable for sure, but i think arms just edged ahead finally

[steep inlet]

Think too

[bright stream]

oh wow 1950 is top 100?

(in ss)

[brazen rock]

Both if playing fury. Conq if playing arms.

[bright stream]

damn only like, 15-20 people will get the title per spec max

[leaden lynx]

is it really? i'm like 1957

[bright stream]

yeah if the leaderboards are accurate

[teal cedar]

where can you see leaderboards?

[bright stream]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/shuffle/warrior/fury

[teal cedar]

ty

[umbral creek]

If you do pvp and pve is it best to use sparks on pvp gear since the pve crafts aren’t BiS but the pvp gear appears to be BiS?

[bright stream]

are you a mythic raider doing CE?

are you pushing 15s-20s in m+?

do you plan to push 2100+ next week?

[teal cedar]

what would you craft if you do practically no pve?

[steel trout]

id atleast make the pvp boots 🙂

[bright stream]

(PvP)Boots>(PvP)Helm, both can be used in casual dungeons/m+/world content

craft the highest quality you can, price difference is very small

[teal cedar]

infurious warboots of impunity?

[bright stream]

infurious is the pvp items

so yeah

[teal cedar]

thx

[spark zenith]

Fark I'm so sad. They've made the elite weapons mog require 2400 instead of 2100 like SL.

[umbral creek]

PvE crafted gear is replaced by high keys and low mythic raiding whereas the pvp gear is BiS right?

[bright stream]

generally yeah, there might be some edge cases for a small number of classes where it'd be good to have the PvE gear - like if you were pushing for world first the item level is too good to pass up

[brazen rock]

Good change.

Should be from 3s only also

[bright stream]

nah, there's already enough behind 2400

you want casuals interested in the game

[brazen rock]

Pve crafted gets upgraded with infusions. It's relevant until last 2 mythic bosses.

[bright stream]

otherwise we're just moving back to the degenerate cesspool of long term pvp only players from the WoD/Legion era

[brazen rock]

Casuals can have elite set.

Elite weapons can be 2400 from 3s

[bright stream]

2400 for tab, title, and weapons?

[brazen rock]

Yes.

[bright stream]

nah that's a stupid opinion

[brazen rock]

Lmao ok

Idc

[wheat jay]

2100 for weapons was fine imo

[bright stream]

especially because they typically look like garbage lmao

PvP is a cosmetic progression game - you want to have an actual progress along the way, big gap between the elite set and everything at 2400 imo

[pliant falcon]

More rewards are better in general, I’m down with reskins if need be

Once I hit over 1800 in solo there wasn’t much reason to continue unless I’m missing something

[leaden lynx]

get that 402 ilvl gear

[pliant falcon]

Is that the 1950 reward?

[leaden lynx]

ye

[pliant falcon]

Ah ok, thanks

I know I’m not getting 2400 haha

[leaden lynx]

lol i might try for it in solo shuffle but have a feeling that's gonna be rough

[scarlet sorrel]

I never understood the gatekeeping of appearances in pvp. You want participation and as much new people as you can to play, especially new ones. Title and mount at 2400 is already enough for that bracket. Elite weapons can be 2100 otherwise there is no incentive for new people to join pvp beyond 1800

[heavy basin]

Is there any warrior arms that has reached 2100 this season?

[scarlet sorrel]

You can see ladder for yourself brother

[upper bramble]

no only warrior legs

[umbral creek]

Damn that is pretty powerful. TOugh call

[leaden lynx]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/3v3

[bright stream]

wow PvP has a lot of egos in it, that think they're fucking incredible at the game because the rerolled to something 5 seasons ago to edge out their first glad, and have been dropping millions of gold to convince their buddies to carry them every season afterwards

you can't take away their elite appearances, they earned those by being better than other people!

[pliant falcon]

Are we going to be going haste once we start upgrading next week? I was running full mastery up until yesterday

[bright stream]

arms/fury?

[hushed grove]

Hello! I'm playing 2s with a rsham after nerfs do u think Fury is still better spec?

[bright stream]

what rank are you trying to hit, casual or try hard players?

[hushed grove]

2.1 is are usual goal

Our*

[spark zenith]

Title and mount are enough for 2400. It sucks to not complete your visual gear set when the armour is fully unlocked at 1800 and weapons after another 600 rating...

[bright stream]

probably doesn't matter, fury will be easier

[hushed grove]

Ty

[pliant falcon]

I’d like to hit over 2kish, seems achievable. Then move into other rated matches and get a reality check lol

[bright stream]

yeah its super chill to hit 2k as war as fury

[hushed grove]

The appearance is at 1.8 right? Only the weapons enchant change to 2.4

[bright stream]

arms can be trickier depending on format/partners

[pliant falcon]

I feel like they are going to nerf frozen devotion too eventually. Going to run it anyways I guess

[amber harness]

at the moment arms still inferior?

[heavy basin]

idk

[formal creek]

anyone trying arms in highish keys? like 10-15 and how they fare in the keys

[amber harness]

this is pvp bro

[wooden grove]

I mean it’s pretty damn busted comparatively. There’s a reason everyone in the game is running it, not just PvP.

[brazen rock]

#arms

[wooden grove]

A single Enchant shouldn’t be 5%+ of your damage that’s fucked

[formal creek]

ah sorry wrong channel

[wooden grove]

Just so you know, no matter what anyone says, any spec in the game can do 15s because 15s are easy as fuck. The problem you might have is actually getting invited to a pug key.

[regal cradle]

are u guys saving trophies of strife for a 2nd 2hander or spend it on gear instead?

[wooden grove]

Offhand weapon with strife

[regal cradle]

is that worth ?

what if arms comes back better

then u kinda wasted 14 trophies

[wooden grove]

Lmao

[scarlet barn]

Wait what

[wooden grove]

Idk bro what if I buy a full set of haste conquest gear?

Can’t tell the future my dude the fuck

[regal cradle]

the difference is that the gear u buy with trophies u will use anyways

is the difference between gear piece and a offhand weapon that big

[wooden grove]

Not true arms uses different stat prio

Do you wanna play arms or do you wanna play fury? Buy the gear you want that way

You literally can’t do both this early in a season you need to FoCuS

[keen umbra]

any good prot warrior pvp guide ?

please

[wooden grove]

Open talent page

Select fury specialization

[keen umbra]

i know that

but i want to play rbgs

no one takes fury xD

[wooden grove]

Gotta be a TC

But I’ll tell you this, if they let you be a prot warrior you will lose.

[keen umbra]

is it that bad ?

[wooden grove]

Tanks in RBG have a specific role to fill for a couple maps

Prot warrior doesn’t fill those roles

Need a guardian or vengeance DH tbh any other tank is garbage tier in PvP

[undone pumice]

[thick reef]

What you do as Prot in RBGs is better to do as Fury

[teal nest]

is there a pvp build for fury thats more based pre changes less auto attack asist

[thick reef]

Full stop

[undone pumice]

like rb build?

[brazen rock]

Arms does fine in rbgs.

[teal nest]

yep

[brazen rock]

Prot is dead on tuesday

[undone pumice]

i think ur best bet it just to alter the raid singletarget non annihi build to fit pvp

[keen umbra]

ok so where can i find the best build for fury or arms warrior now for pvp ?

[wooden grove]

Pins

[undone pumice]

but i prefer thumb rsi over index rsi

[teal nest]

im still leveling i tried pin build but i just dont feel like im playing it xd

[wooden grove]

You’re leveling that’s why

Get to 70 and it’s damn near a different game with all these talent points I got

[brazen rock]

Locks lost 10% Stam and tons of durability also.

[teal nest]

tq for the advice i will try see how it feels

[eager oracle]

Fury/Arms looking decent right now? Trying to decide between my warrior and DK after coming back from a break

[undone pumice]

fury good

arms not so good

will be more equal after patchie

[eager oracle]

yeah i just remembered murlok.io existed

sorry

[marble flint]

anyone know what this insane soulrend dot is from demon hunters in arena?

seems like I just get bled down instantly

[sage raptor]

Sit a flag

[wooden grove]

Roll dwarf, gg

[sage raptor]

Wrong

[wooden grove]

Explain your ignorant position please

[marble flint]

😭

[sage raptor]

You don't take a vengeance dh for team fights. They die really fast.

[unreal granite]

https://tenor.com/view/gimli-yep-lotr-gif-7400624

[undone pumice]

dwarf racial is so op

[wooden grove]

If you only wanna bring a guardian, sure. But vengeance are the only other ones even close to being viable in high rated RBGs

And that’s because if there isn’t a tank based objective they go havoc instead of vengeance

[sage raptor]

Again, not true. Prot warr is extremely mobile this expansion

[wooden grove]

You’re on crack bro

Legit stop paying the sub it’s not worth it for you anymore

[sage raptor]

??

It's objectively true lmaoo

[wooden grove]

None of what you have said is objectively true young one

Do you even know what objectively means?

You’re an actual potato

[sage raptor]

2 charges, leap, leap movement speed, shield charge, and intervene

Like

Hello???

[wooden grove]

Have you even queued for an RBG this season?

Have you ever been higher than 1400?

Because I highly doubt it

[sage raptor]

Yes. And I get from point a to point b in no time

[teal nest]

not even worth it quing as horde hahaah

[thick reef]

What enchant do I get on my weps if I cant afford Sophic Devotion

[wooden grove]

Your input is continuously subjective and wrong but keep going on

[wooden grove]

Frozen is busted only run frozen

[bright stream]

the real question is

[craggy fractal]

For arena, arms or fury?

[thick reef]

Frozen is also hella expensive. Is there a good but less expensive one?

[bright stream]

do I even bother to buy frozens

[wooden grove]

Arms kills better fury stays alive better

[bright stream]

when replacing 1-2 weapons on wednesday

[sage raptor]

It's not wrong, you just mimic what other people say instead of seeing things for yourself. I told you why you're wrong but you can't accept it. No skin off my back lol.

[wooden grove]

It’s expensive because it’s busted

[craggy fractal]

Ty mate

[thick reef]

Yeah no shit

[wooden grove]

You actually think prot warrior would be a viable FC in RBGs

You’re so stupid you should be banned from this discord

So no one else is subject to your opinion

[bright stream]

this is the warrior discord, where else could he go?

[sage raptor]

That wasn't even the main point shit breath but take it as you like I guess.

[bright stream]

dh maybe?

[wooden grove]

Where was it any other point? You jumped into a conversation you weren’t a part of to try and correct me but everything you’ve said has been ignorant and wrong.

[brazen rock]

@wooden grove

[teal nest]

isov how is prots magic medigation in df

[sage raptor]

Because what you said was wrong

[teal nest]

havent touched it ngl

[sage raptor]

As bad as it's always been

[wooden grove]

Lmao not even close my brother

[toxic latch]

apart from vers what is stat priority in pvp for fury?

[sage raptor]

Laughable

[wooden grove]

All the haste rn

[toxic latch]

ty and also prot war is dog water

[brazen rock]

Haste mast crit

[thick reef]

Also, Titanic Fury or Dancing Blades for Annihilator Build?

[toxic latch]

isnt annihilator build pretty bad for pvp?

[wooden grove]

Lol no

[marble flint]

[thick reef]

no it's good

but I see everyone running Titanic Fury

when Dancing Blades sounds like it'd synergize waaay better with annihilator

so im confuzzled

[serene jungle]

is zandlari troll a good race for warriors in pvp?

[toxic latch]

weird bc someone told me annhilator was bad and then i looked at wowhead builds

[wooden grove]

Yeah don’t look at those

[brazen rock]

It doesn't.

[wooden grove]

Enrage stack is big

[toxic latch]

can someone send me their build code for annihilator>

[wooden grove]

Pins

[teal nest]

i notice no 1 runs onslaught tenerize looks kinda fun

[toxic latch]

ty

[wooden grove]

You can try whatever you want

[regal cradle]

i wonder why ppl prefer thunder roar over spear

[marble flint]

can you get glad mount in 2's now?

[wooden grove]

No wtf

[marble flint]

why people be saying that then

[teal nest]

i ain trying to be smartass there are way better people here thats why i ask xd im in no position to say whats good whats not xd

[wooden grove]

Depends on the content but generally thunderous wounds is real nice to have

[regal cradle]

wdym content

[wooden grove]

Legit just click the talent and try it out, you should be able to tell if you’re doing better or not

[thick reef]

I feel like I can never lock on people to finish them off without Spear. But I'm just a 1.6 garbo kid so idk

[wooden grove]

It’s a video game you can play other stuff than what “the meta” is cmon

[wooden grove]

Roar makes cleave situations easier imo because of the range advantage

[teal nest]

just i hate storm of swords coz i dont wanna press slam ever xd

[thick reef]

you rarely press slam lmao

[wooden grove]

You really only ever press it once a fight and that is before you get your first rampage

[clever furnace]

boiz question.. for arms warrior.. how good will the Elemental Lariat Neck at 418 ilvl with crit/verse be ?

[teal nest]

i know but sometimes u have nothing to press xd

[clever furnace]

is it worth crafting that or wearing the pvp neck instead?

[wooden grove]

The only time you can press slam is before your first rampage

Because then your rotation becomes bb bb BT into the next rampage

At least if you have RA like a good little Viking boy

If you really don’t like annihilator then crushing blow is still overtuned af and hits like a mac truck

You just lose the strongest point of current fury and that is the sustain healing it has

In that case the arguement that arms is better is an easy one to lose

[craggy fractal]

Where can i find nice pvp talents for arms¿

[marble flint]

is there a way to cast an ability if you dont have enough rage macro

Like

Cast rampage if above 100 rage

else xcast bloodthirst

[thick reef]

Trying to turn a 3 button spec into a 1 button spec

gigachad

[wooden grove]

^

[teal nest]

it is just program a bot to play xd

Warrior self learning ai

[marble flint]

would be sick tho

[sharp meteor]

Be angrier.

[bright stream]

makes it easier to do stuff with your other hand

[sharp meteor]

Might be decent, honestly.

[wheat crane]

Real answer no, they purposely limited that

For anti botting

[stuck mulch]

is party1 allways the healer?

[wheat crane]

Best you can do is a castsequence macro but they dont really work

[wheat crane]

In 2s its your partner in 3s its whoever qed

Theres addons to sortgroup but theyre iffy

[teal nest]

@marble flint actually technically u can make it work with gome sequencer addon or something like that

[stuck mulch]

yea was hoping it would allways be the healer in soloshuffle

would help

[marble flint]

interesting

[wheat crane]

You can try the addon sortgroup

But its hit or miss when i used it

And shuffle fucks alot of addons anyway

[stuck mulch]

yea ill just grit through it

[wheat crane]

Tbh its easier to just use this sometimes

[teal nest]

why do people get mad when they die from goblin warrior

[wheat crane]

@stuck mulch

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover, help, exists] Intervene
/cast [exists, harm] Charge
/cast Hamstring
/startattack

[remote tapir]

What weapons enchants are people generally using for fury?

[wheat crane]

its just easier to mouseover sometimes in shuffle

and bgs

keep a party 1 and party 2 intervene tho for when you actually q with groups

obviously you dont have to put it in charge thats just where i have it

[amber harness]

does arms have a lot less survivability or am i doing smth wrong?

[wheat crane]

Thats the downfall

[keen umbra]

which is better in Ratedbgs ,arms or fury ?

[serene jungle]

how much does race matter in pvp on fury warrior?

for example zandalri troll vs blood elf? is there a difference

[amber harness]

till patch i dont quite see why arms should be played

[brazen rock]

Both have their upsides.

Sharpen is huge, and arms cleave is pretty nuts. But it dies. Fury lives longer but can't make use of MS

[brazen rock]

Dark iron, orc, human, gnome are top choices. Zanda and BE are dookie

[glad pagoda]

best stats for arms?

[brazen rock]

Versa > crit/haste > mast.

[remote tapir]

What are the best weapon enchants for fury?

[drowsy wasp]

I am high mountain Tauren, how much of a handicap is that

[sharp meteor]

It isn't.

Race should be w/e until like high glad.

Even then hmt have recent perks.

[stuck mulch]

thanks man ❤️

[sharp meteor]

Just get a cancelaura for bull rush.

[wheat crane]

❤️

[stuck mulch]

rough road

[umbral creek]

When doing Arenas and BGs is it better to wear the honor gear or the world pvp gear?

[sharp meteor]

Honor is higher ilev but wq has some alternative stats.

[umbral creek]

Those stats don't work in arena or pvp though right? The bonuses?

[sharp meteor]

Only wpvp.

[undone pumice]

wots this addon

[stuck mulch]

not on curse

gotta google it

[clever furnace]

does elemental lariat neck proc proc in pvp?

[stuck root]

They nerfing warpaint to 5% sadge

[undone pumice]

good

[clever furnace]

does anyone know if elemental lariat stat proc procs in pvp?

[thick reef]

The wpvp tier set bonus too?

[sharp meteor]

The stacking buff and the shield? That's what I was talking about.

[thick reef]

Oh. Shame

Best fury stats?

[stuck root]

Haste mastery after vers of course

[sharp meteor]

haste mastery

[stuck root]

All stats are good tho

[sharp meteor]

you get all the vers u want from gear i think

[thick reef]

Haste over master?

[stuck root]

Ye

[sharp meteor]

yes

[stuck root]

We basically just spam 2 buttons and want haste to get them out as often as possible

[sharp meteor]

actually yeah it's haste/vers > mastery >crit

[stuck root]

Fury is good but we lack kill power i feel

[cinder lake]

opinion between fury and havoc? which performs better?>im kinda strugglin vs havoc..tons of dmg

[sharp meteor]

u have bigly go every what 45

[sharp meteor]

both good and fairly easy to pick up

[stuck root]

Playing 2s and ass rogue just does 30% more damage than i do while i have nearly 100% uptime its insane

[sharp meteor]

alts very easy to setup now so

might as well do both

i think i finished full honor gear is legit one evening from 0 pvp gear

which is 411 ilev

[thick reef]

I’ve been doing a lot of ranked solo and have found we burst pretty well but outside of cds we just heal bots keeping ourselves alive while doing shit damage

[stuck root]

The burst is ok but not sufficient in 2s

[near delta]

@spice hornet Are you legit playing prot? lmao

[stuck root]

Basically always go to deep dampening

And that is with spear too

Maybe fury in 2s is best paired with a hybrid

[clever mango]

cries in arms

[stuck root]

My brother is maining resto drood but we struggle to close out games

[clever mango]

arms plenty of burst but made of paper. so sad

[sharp meteor]

Hmm questionable.

Need to be sticking cds more.

[stuck root]

I should just boost my rogue and take the free kills but that is like giving up and taking the easy way out

[sharp meteor]

I mean if you're having issues with Fury then things aren't going to improve on Rogue.

[stuck root]

You are talking out your ass lol

Fury cannot compete in 2s with what other dps are doing

[sharp meteor]

Okay.

[stuck root]

It is basically queue and pray you dont face rogues

Or do you have secret sauce to actually beat ass rogue this patch

Like ladder is mostly rogue spriest which is insanely hard to kill

At least spriest getting big hits

Any input or you just gonna say i suck and dip

[brazen rock]

I mean both rogue specs got 30% pvp nerfs to big cds

Still not enough but it's something

[stuck root]

I just love this guy, “if you are having problems with a spec that isnt ideal in 2s, swapping to the best class for 2s wont change anything” like ?????

[brazen rock]

Well it's also 2s

If your rerolling to push 2s