pvp

[wheat crane]

Like im still obliterating kids with duelist sl gear

So

[near delta]

Disarm in meta can be good but they can backflip out of it

[wheat crane]

Way better then fresh greens at 70 grind

[elfin kite]

VR w glimpse removes disarm? or just immunes it if they time it right?

[near delta]

It actually scales higher than anything else I think

[wheat crane]

Yea its over 300

[near delta]

I was a god under 70 in full s4 duelist gear

[wheat crane]

You dont get that till late 60s

[compact heron]

By backflip out of it you mean like it will negate…or just drop the duration on disarm

[near delta]

Negate

It's a bug

[wheat crane]

If theyre running the glimpse talent you cant cc them anytime theyre flipping with veng retreat

[compact heron]

Ahhh I seee

So you basically have to take it to the face lol

[near delta]

Worse than that if there is a disarm on them it just goes away when they retreat

But if you track vengeful retreat on omnibar or something can still get good value

[wheat crane]

What? Thats not how its supposed to work

Ohhh

[near delta]

It's not

[wheat crane]

I missed its bugged

Thats a pretty big bug

[full quiver]

Removes lol

[compact heron]

Yeah I played dh/spriest a few games last night and I was just getting melted

[wheat crane]

Is it just disarm or anything else

I guess it doesn't matter since you cant technically vr anything else

[full quiver]

Other Cc you have to time afaik

[compact heron]

And in double cleave comps with dh I figure it’s best to try and shut the dh down as much as I can cause he’s the pumper

[full quiver]

Thus us only with glimpse

[wheat crane]

14k for fury, like 13k for arms

really not bad

honor cap hit 70 be fully geared lol

is feral squishy? i cant really tell

feel like its squishy

[uneven turret]

isn't it slow to level in pvp?

[wheat crane]

very

but i think its better to do it before you hit

[uneven turret]

How hard do u guys think it will be to get glad this season, compared to previous seasons

[sly furnace]

That’s kinda impossible to say:)

[compact heron]

Not sure. In regards to that I’m wondering what people’s opinions are onsolo que and it’s effects with normal 3v3 ques. Do you think there will be less healers in the pool for 3’s because of it?

[wheat crane]

just believe in yourself, hit the gym and q brother

youll get it

[uneven turret]

No of cuz its impossible to say for sure, i mean just speculating

Alot of pvper are drawn to solo queue

So that means potentially less player for 2v2 3v3 and even RBG?

Idk if that makes getting rating harder or easier

[compact heron]

That’s my thoughts…. At least for lower brackets…I’m sure the people that are normally very high rated will continue to be. But what about the lower tiers.

[steep inlet]

Harder

Better

Faster

Stronger

https://tenor.com/view/daftpunk-dj-techno-gif-4849592

[uneven turret]

I have a feeling getting glad will be a little harder

[green wyvern]

it probably will

[steep inlet]

No a lot of people of play

And a lot of reroll

Will make the mmr pool high

[eager meteor]

My mate plays ret, is arms or fury synergising better with that atm

[low sparrow]

30 min qs solo q is a dead bracket I don’t think we need to worry bout that taking players from 3v3

[eager meteor]

In 3s

[low sparrow]

Arms is bad

[steep inlet]

You don’t understand

It’s not dead at all

It’s just there is no healers

[low sparrow]

Ok explain

[steep inlet]

So

If there is like 1000 dps for 20 healers

You will have to wait for other to finish games

That’s why healers has insta queue

Same phenomenon in OW

[low sparrow]

Ah

[steep inlet]

I see a lot of people making the same mistake

[wheat crane]

i think theres also some fuckery going on with it too

[heavy basin]

yeah

[eager meteor]

Sad 😦

[wheat crane]

like most of my shuffles they dont repeat dps classes

so they might be doing some dumb smart qing

where they try n vary teh classes

throw in higher # of dps

you see teh 30 min qs

[heavy basin]

arms is bad.

Now

[wheat crane]

if they just let it be 4 demon hunters + 2 healers youd prob also see shorter qs

[eager meteor]

Is fury ret decent enough?

We normally just play for glad as a nostalgia thing every expac

But I’m kinda washed now

Noticed the meta might not be very ret friendly atm?

[green wyvern]

yeah ret is kinda fucked

[eager meteor]

This is why I was thinking arms

[steep inlet]

SP shit on ret

hard

[eager meteor]

Just go balls deep for a one shot

Lol

[outer hornet]

How is Fury/Enchance so far?

Enhance*

[eager meteor]

Seen a few streams with it doing alright at decent mmr against good players

[low sparrow]

Arms=losses

[eager meteor]

Ye I never played fury really so

Was more a comfort thing

[low sparrow]

It’s two buttons

Literally

[eager meteor]

Smash 1 and smash2

[thick reef]

Shaman has some strong healing couped with a moutain of utility

[eager meteor]

And press 3 for big smash?

[thick reef]

Arms with one less button

[zenith marlin]

they should just allow 3 DPS vs 3 DPS

a proper pit fight

[low tapir]

is it worth to craft something with the spark beside the boots right now?

[remote tapir]

How has Solo shuffle been going for ya'll? I feel like the last few games I've played, there's one person who is just always the one to die no matter how the teams shuffle

[brazen rock]

Free cr.

Elite set got in under 6 matches lmao

Joke

[wheat crane]

actually 2v2 double dps would work

just rotate the teams like in the 3s mode

[cinder thorn]

Yes find the weakest guy and make him wish he was never born

[remote tapir]

Damn nice! Which build you runnin?

[brazen rock]

Muds.

Pve rotation down squishy, disarm occasionally, storm bolt healer on cd

[zenith marlin]

its beyond me how blizz get rid of tanks in pvp cuz they are "boring" but keep looser healers

they dont even get killing blows man

[cinder thorn]

Yeah my suggestion is if there's no healer put a 30% damage debuff and let dps play vs dps

Not wait funking 30mins for a healer to feel like honoring us with their presence

[celest wave]

https://i.imgur.com/tH4LM8S.png

am i completely ass or what

is it terminal doc.

[brazen rock]

Press buttons harder

But probably terminal

[zenith marlin]

were u chasing some cringe class for 10 mins straight?

[celest wave]

i was mostly just sitting on lock

or pala

feels like i do no dmg after slaugherhouse change idk

healers jsut heal thru it

[brazen rock]

Go wrecking throw and sit ret

[celest wave]

not shattering for bubble?

[zenith marlin]

why not wrecking throw demolish and sit lock

[brazen rock]

Demo with 5iq collective between all their summons never dies.

They're topped off by the time you finish cast

[zenith marlin]

i love pop their lil shield

[celest wave]

hm ok

ill try that thanks

[zenith marlin]

make shatter work vs hunters pls pls

its ultra cringe

[celest wave]

it just feels like i do no dmg idk

meanwhile ferals doing 3m dps per round

3m dmg*

[thick reef]

Per second*

[celest wave]

:kekcry

[elfin surge]

my name is deez

[celest wave]

idk its definitely skill issue tho

[thick reef]

Where the fuck do you think you are. It's never a skill issue, it's a balance issue. Always. Blizzards fault.

[zenith marlin]

it is fam

[celest wave]

Oh my bad.

HOLINKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[zenith marlin]

orc warrs should eat feral druids like breakfast

[elfin surge]

[zenith marlin]

love to wait 30 mins for a healer only for them to die in 3 GCDs

now my guy will stop pvp and queue will be 40 mins

[sharp meteor]

everybody wants a healer nobody wants to be a healer

[celest wave]

sounds like blizzard issue

[sharp meteor]

imagine queuing up to get flamed by some rival subhuman dh

[celest wave]

failed at making healer fun to play

[frank knoll]

Every healer feels awful to play for me

[sharp meteor]

when you have a btag full of people

who aren't demented

[frank knoll]

I’d play RDruid if I didn’t need like 40 keybinds

[brazen rock]

40? Lmao

Try 60+

[sharp meteor]

both restos are a lot of buttons

[near delta]

Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but nobody wants to lift no heavy-ass weights.

[brazen rock]

Mop rdruid was peak skill ceiling and I'll fight anyone to the death about it

[frank knoll]

Prevoker is alright. MW looks fun

[white iron]

Guess it has been asked 100 times. Arms or Fury in PvP?

[frank knoll]

I would heal as a spec where I can just AFK behind a pillar. I don’t want to push in for big d*ck plays

[brazen rock]

Fury

Arms ok in 3s with some comps and good play

1 buff away from being stier

[compact heron]

@near delta yeaaaah budddy. 10 easy ones let’s get it

[brazen rock]

https://tenor.com/view/light-weight-gif-21674454

[undone pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-budy-ronnie-coleman-gym-lightweight-light-gif-20762394

[brazen rock]

The winds are turning. Soon we'll have weekly physique posts, lifts of the month, and food posts

[viscid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-ronnie-coleman-gif-17990304

[undone pumice]

i hit a fatty ohp pr today

[worthy fern]

@brazen rock we’re coming full circle

[celest wave]

20 minute queue in like 1600 lmfao

🥹

[brazen rock]

1200 total by new years

[worthy fern]

@brazen rock a while back this chat was mostly lifters then it went away and now it’s back

[brazen rock]

Plenty of lifters here I'm sure but the channel culture is wildy different then bfa

Used to be 10% actual pvp chat at most

[worthy fern]

What are you getting your 1200 total with

[brazen rock]

Sbd

Oh

[steep inlet]

4 rounds won

+7 cr

[queen peak]

Anybody struggle against ferals? I'm returning to the game after leaving at the beginning of BFA and struggling with them. I blast them down to 20% and they just kite the fuck out of me

[steep inlet]

[brazen rock]

450 DL, 350 squat, 275 bench

[undone pumice]

wtf bro is strong

[brazen rock]

So basically impossible by new years but I'll probably die benching solo no spotter for it

[queen peak]

bro thats why you do it in a smith machine at planet fitness /s

[brazen rock]

Hidden tank debuff sorry troma

[steep inlet]

[celest wave]

ye feels like i should just ignore ferlas

lmoa

[near delta]

What have I started lmao

[zenith marlin]

we should brother

pvp channel isnt only about gameplay

its about the philosophy of pvp

if u loose a duel, but outlift them, its even

[celest wave]

what if u out cum them

think about it

[zenith marlin]

dang

fertility flex

I need to form thoughts about this

[thick reef]

Do yall prefer Gladius or sarena

[celest wave]

13 rating for 4-2

[worthy fern]

@brazen rock those are decent lifts

[celest wave]

ty blizzard

[worthy fern]

How you going to add 175 lbs by Jan 1 tho

[zenith marlin]

bruh the solo shuffle queue killin me

[brazen rock]

Haven't done 1rms in a month and I'm about to hit peak week

• two months of bulking setting in

[hot solstice]

Wtf demos pet does bigger bladestorm than arms war?

[celest wave]

rofl

[wooden grove]

Gladius ex and sarena are pretty similar. I feel like it’s personal pref

[wooden grove]

Two months of bulk? You mean two months of laziness 😛

[steep inlet]

https://gyazo.com/953836674e4d96c69fb7cfcfe2455541

[brazen rock]

The state of 2s kekw

[glad pagoda]

5wins ¸+19

WAAA

[wheat crane]

Bouta fight my 3 yr old

I made us all some delicious low carb penne alla vodka

Came out delic

[sly walrus]

@elfin surge are you protting?

[wheat crane]

She looks at me and goes "NO DADDY MY PASTA!"

Then took my damn fork

[scarlet barn]

and now show me healing

[wheat crane]

Do highly recommend this chickpea penne tho, low carb high protein, little crunchier then normal but taste is good

[brazen rock]

chickpea protein is actually very difficult for the body to digest

you basically lose about 40% of it iirc to digestion.

[wheat crane]

Really??

I didnt honestly know that

[craggy socket]

What ranged specs you guys like to play

[onyx vale]

demonology

before it got deleted

[simple rock]

never forget

[brazen rock]

dont do this to me

1 fucking spell and arms would be amazing

it plays SO fucking good right now

[simple rock]

was playing arms in 2s

what a struggle

dmg is fine but

so insanely squish :(

[brazen rock]

100% arms will get another stupid pve buff that spills into pvp

[delicate bronze]

Protting still good fellas?

[brazen rock]

we'll crit 500k MSs before they give us back ignore pain.

[scarlet barn]

just spec prot

[left cosmos]

what a good furry build for arena?

[quaint snow]

what you mean?

[quaint snow]

[tribal wedge]

guys

rsham devoker

could have something like 30 sec uptime in the entire arena

how do you face this?

[brazen rock]

by not playing 2s

[onyx vale]

i mean legion when they removed meta to give it to dh

[craggy socket]

What do you before it got deleted

you dont like new demo?

[wheat jay]

Fuck it

/spit

[onyx vale]

I hate all 3 warlock specs, when I think about " demonology " i don't think about summoning a zoo

also doomguard is the most iconic demon

and you can't even summon one

second most iconic demon is dreadlord, third is infernal

demonology is a "master summoner" but destro can summon better demons

you get tons of imps and dogs tho, not sure who really wanted to be a dogmaster

[wheat jay]

Fits the class

Theme of being a fucking bitch and being surrounded by dogs

[onyx vale]

demonology
/ˌdiːməˈnɒlədʒi/
noun
the study of demons or demonic belief.
a set of beliefs about people or things regarded as harmful or unwelcome.

Now I ask, what screams more " studying demons ", summoning imps or becoming a demon yourself?

[wheat jay]

At least succubus is cool

[onyx vale]

my theory is that a dev saw that dumbass gnome boss in wrath " master summoner " and thought "hur hur hur that's cool"

another reason to hate disgusting gnomes

[wheat jay]

Nah

"we're introducing demon Hunter, but there's already a demon shapeshifter class, what do we do now"

[onyx vale]

main reason is ofc disgusting dh but nothing stopped blizzard from giving warlocks another form than the illidan one

[wheat jay]

snorts a line of coke "WE WRECK DEMONOLOGY"

[onyx vale]

its not like 2 buttons dh had anything in common with demonology

[wheat jay]

Nope

Iirc demonology changed your skills

All skills

Was a meaningful transformation

Not just doing more dmg and some haste

[onyx vale]

it changed most skills and gave you new ones yes

it also wasnt a dumb burst and you would morph in and out to put dots or burst adds

[wheat jay]

Yes

[onyx vale]

they tried to copy a watered down version and gave it to shadow priest

but it sucked

and you could only transform at full charge

[wheat jay]

Yep xd

[zenith marlin]

Swear the biggest challenge in pvp

is finding a damn partner

which is cringe

[wheat jay]

Nah

[zenith marlin]

wish they brought a 4th fkn warrior healing spec so I can skip this queue

[wheat jay]

Its worse when you try to push high

[zenith marlin]

Idk heal with shouts or smth

"WALK IT OFF" etc

[wheat jay]

And you meet assa rogue doing 30k dps

[zenith marlin]

a ress spell with shout would be funny

rogues with all their toolkit + better dps XDxDxdXDxD

[craggy socket]

What can I do against monk shield?

[zenith marlin]

areu talking about coccoon or karma

Coccoon u can use Wrecking Throw with Demolish as a PvP talent to slap it 100k dmg instantly

or switch target

Karma u can just switch target

or u can just push trough it like the WARRIOR YOU AR

and never switch

TUNNEL VISION

"I am in the same boat, man.
I just want to play the game.
I was so exited to play this solo shuffle thing but this hour wait time … well uplayable is the word, right ?

Since there are no healers it seems the only solution is 2v2 with two DPS, but then classes with selfheal will benefit way more.

I just want to play the game, man …"

damn this comment on solo shuffle queue times hurt my heart

T^T am I about to take an L for the team and reroll healer

[rustic grove]

Sorry to bother again.
On the WoWHead guide is it listed Vers - Crit - Mastery - Haste is that legit ? bc i saw in pinned you should buy haste/vers

[glad pagoda]

arms better than fury in 2v2?

[craggy socket]

Whats the strat to beat these wizard cleaves as ret warr

[wheat jay]

I had a long ass game against ret+fury at 2k mmr today

Almost lost few times

So id say that's a bit viable

[zenith marlin]

Bruh Shadow Priest / Afflocks in 2s straight slap healers

[wheat jay]

And they never die

Fury also never dies until high dampening cD

[craggy socket]

do I take disarm against WW?

[wheat jay]

No

What you gonna disarm, their fingers?

[craggy socket]

true

How do you use fear in 3s?

you normally use it for healer or defensive?

[wheat jay]

Depends

If you need to prolong/prepare CC, or if you need it to survive enemy burst

In pvp it all depends

Nothing is 100% set in stone

[sage raptor]

you know what is set in stone?

more stone

[indigo helm]

Does anyone know what nameplate addon bajheera uses? It enlarges your current target and also shows any main buffs they're using etc

[tribal wedge]

threat plate

[undone pumice]

threatplates

[indigo helm]

Thanks guys

[tribal wedge]

(and bigdebuff for the big one on the right)

[crude bane]

they change the class stacking im palying with a warrior this is only the spec now in solo

[warm pollen]

whats the most broken comp for 3v3s fury warr

[wheat jay]

Tsg?

Fury+spriest cuz spriest is broken?

[tribal wedge]

WLS could be good too

[warm pollen]

WLS?

[brazen rock]

ret warr gud too

[tribal wedge]

war lock + healer

[green wyvern]

turbo?

[lucid walrus]

starting to agree with "shuffle rating is determined by your luck with healers" rhetoric

[craggy socket]

Solo rating is meaningless lol

[lucid walrus]

the rothschilds are paying these hpals to move to the exact opposite side of the map from our lock but only when he's on my team

it for sure is

it's gonna be as much of a meme bracket as 2s imo

[uneven turret]

What are queue times like? (NA)

[lucid walrus]

for shuffle?

[uneven turret]

I heard its bad under 1400, and alot better over 1400

Yeh

[lucid walrus]

it'll tell you 7-10 minutes but i'm seeing like 30min around 1700

[uneven turret]

NA?

Damn

Thats like unplayable

[lucid walrus]

it's not awful if you're still farming [x] thing in DF

personally been grinding centaur rep while i wait

[uneven turret]

How long would it take to get the 1st vault

1250 honor

[lucid walrus]

it's so fast man

that's 2 decent games probably

[uneven turret]

O rly

[wheat jay]

Rated games tho

[uneven turret]

How much honor do u get from a loss

Ya i know, rated shuffle

[lucid walrus]

also unplayable is 3+ hours according to my buddy who's 2250 in shuff rn

depends what "loss" is

my most recent 2-4 gave me 300

[uneven turret]

300 per game?

Or 300 for 2-4 losses in total

[lucid walrus]

for one match

wherein i won 2 rounds and dropped 4

[uneven turret]

Oh ok, so even if losing, 1250 honor should take 4-5 games at most

[vagrant sorrel]

Is it just me or is azure span completely dead, how do you guys get sparks of life?

[lucid walrus]

cobalt assembly

or treasures

[vagrant sorrel]

im here right now not a soul

[lucid walrus]

unfort

[viscid horizon]

Is there a new gladius I am just seeing the SL one

[tribal wedge]

2 solo shuffle, 21 2c2 and i'm almost at the 3d one

[uneven turret]

So i mean the first vault

1250 honor

[hazy isle]

Lmao

[tribal wedge]

so 2 solo shuffle

would be enough

[uneven turret]

Nice

[tribal wedge]

my 5/6 gave me something like 900 honor

[uneven turret]

How do you earn trophy of strife

[tribal wedge]

weekly world pvp quest

[uneven turret]

Isn’t that like, 10?

Only

[tribal wedge]

8 this week

maybe another 8 next week

[uneven turret]

Yikes

Is that even enough for 1 upgrade

[tribal wedge]

keep it for weapon next week m8

[uneven turret]

True

[bright flume]

hey guys whats best 3s comp with resto sham and fury war?

[brazen rock]

probably lock or sp.

[uneven turret]

So how does fury/arms feel after the nerf

[bright flume]

cool bro ill try it

thx

[brazen rock]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-incoming-on-the-weekly-reset-buffs-and-nerfs-to-many-specs-330595

[brazen rock]

lmao

more prot war nerfs for pvp

20% ss and rend

and fury warpaint nerf

holy fuck shadow priests are about to runaway this season

what are these buffs jesus christ

[craggy socket]

Arms buffs.

[brazen rock]

still get focused and die every match

doesnt fix arms at all

i literally called it, pve buffs spilling over into pvp

[quick carbon]

More arms warrior damage buffs

Arms doesn’t need damage lmao

[brazen rock]

i cant wait to crit a 200k ms on somebody

[quick carbon]

they’re going to keep buffing it’s damage and it’s just going to become a problem later on

Whenever arms gets defensive buffs

[keen aurora]

hi, in 2s when do you go for dps and when do you go for healer (as 1dps/1healer) ?

[lucid walrus]

sigh

[zenith maple]

Mages are gonna be a problem lol

[onyx vale]

depends, who is the dps, who is the healer, did they use their defensive, did they use their trinket

that's too vague

[zenith maple]

Can’t believe they buffed ice lance damage

[brazen rock]

UHDK buffs kinda cracked too

[lucid walrus]

current arms design is the inverse of bfa and i hate it

[brazen rock]

Demonic Embrace no longer gains 10% additional stamina in PvP. kekw

locks literally losing 10% stam on reset

[glad pagoda]

do arms buff count in pvp?

[brazen rock]

yes

[quick carbon]

arms damage

isnt

the issue

zzz

[tired loom]

How much of a difference will the warpaint nerf be

[quick carbon]

sooner or later arms warriors r going to be deleting people

[brazen rock]

enrage pretty much has 100% uptime provided you can hit something.

so its gonna feel like a flat 5% damage taken nerf.

[mild thunder]

they really are doing everything humanly possible to avoid buffing arms durability

[tired loom]

I mean I dont expect that to take us to a sheet of paper like the dk nerfs a week ago did to them

[brazen rock]

im finding an SP and forcing one to play 3s with me

[mild thunder]

good move... i've been playing arms kitty and that feels okay-ish, but probably falls off hard at actual ratings

[brazen rock]

locks getting nerfed to

well, durability anyways

[lucid walrus]

about 5%

[mild thunder]

destro buffs are kinda scary

30% extra damage on chaos bolt

[lean burrow]

fury are getting shafted into B tier?

[vagrant sorrel]

did i screw up by buying conq gear already

[brazen rock]

yes

[lucid walrus]

kind of

[brazen rock]

its not a huge deal

[lean burrow]

and arms is still C tier

[brazen rock]

you can get 421 wep next week from warmode

[onyx vale]

with the buffs and the tier sets

we will see 200k mortal strike next week

[vagrant sorrel]

hmm what if i upgraded my drakebreaker weapon instead

[onyx vale]

and then nerfs

[brazen rock]

easily over 200

[lucid walrus]

the extent of how fucked you are depends a lot on what you bought and what your vault looks like

[mild thunder]

Arms
All ability damage increased by 3%.
Mortal Strike damage increased by 5%.
Execute damage increased by 10%.

curious with these, do we think they're additive? i.e. is it an 8% ms buff, 13% exe buff?

[brazen rock]

ive hit 175 on cloth

[vagrant sorrel]

I bought neck and cape

[brazen rock]

99% sure its additive

[brazen rock]

its fine, warmode 421 wep next week + whatever vault

[lucid walrus]

most modifiers ingame are multiplicative(?) iirc

dno for sure though

[mild thunder]

kinda huge if true

[brazen rock]

next i just want the free talent points arms is getting

that are on ptr.

baseline sweeping strikes

[mild thunder]

my guess is the free talents are almost always going into sks, no?

nowhere else to really put them

[lean burrow]

lmao

[brazen rock]

sks?

brainfart

[mild thunder]

skullsplitter

[brazen rock]

ah

nah

unhinged + rend

[onyx vale]

baseline sweeping and def stance

🙏

[brazen rock]

free left talent btw

gives us thunder roar

[mild thunder]

wait

you can pick up unhinged, rend, and sks tho

and keep battlelord and exploiter

[brazen rock]

oh yeah you can

lmao

what the fuck

[lucid walrus]

think they said they're gonna shake up certain talents

but uh

[mild thunder]

so yea

[lucid walrus]

yeah that's wild

[mild thunder]

basically one build for everything in pvp lmao

[zenith maple]

Blizzard hates MM hunters lol

[mild thunder]

and ig fatality as well?

[zenith maple]

Mages weren’t s tier for a week and got buffs to 2 specs 😂

[lucid walrus]

fatality feels like pulling teeth i'm ngl

[brazen rock]

not a fan of fatality

[lucid walrus]

talent equivalent of watching a giants game from start to finish, not unlike arms balancing

torture the whole way through until it works out somehow

[mild thunder]

it is kinda shit, but fr our other capstones are ass lmao

dance of death 🤡

[lucid walrus]

the season already started, boomy's getting a whole tree rework and we're stuck with never-pick talents

[brazen rock]

capstone ignore pain

[lucid walrus]

unironically

the new talent they're adding is bizarre too

[mild thunder]

tbf isnt the boomy rework just the one that was promised before release?

[lucid walrus]

i have no clue

[onyx vale]

if they want an alternative to anger management they should make it synergy with battlelord

[mild thunder]

i remember seeing something about it at the end of beta, but they werent ready yet

[onyx vale]

as it is both work for test of might so you don't want to press overpower at all

[lean burrow]

test of might + new talent?

[mild thunder]

also seeing the new duration talent for col-smash and avatar on a choice node with AM was lameee

[maiden grove]

do ONLY the pvp changes they list affect PVP?

when they release patch notes

[onyx vale]

well yeah, trying to get like 100% strength bonus test of might

not sure it will ever compete vs anger management tho

[lean burrow]

no, pve changes also affect

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/31954e27194b358123dda086167ab651

[maiden grove]

or are those just the changes that only have a bearing on pvp damage

ooo

[copper hare]

that's a big one

[maiden grove]

wonder if arms will be ok then

[flat dome]

Who needs survivability when you can just unga bunga?

[lean burrow]

they explicitly say "this is not applied to pvp" if they change only pve effect

[mild thunder]

100%, the new talent is so niche and only works with ToM... in a straight 1:1 its just always worse than AM

[copper hare]

good changes, but still missing prevoker tuning

idk how they're still untouched

[onyx vale]

heroic class?

[mild thunder]

heroic strike capstone

[lean burrow]

money class

[stuck mulch]

looks like we are gonna go mongo bongo arms soon

just delete everyone

[copper hare]

I can't believe they're making weekly adjustments, already more tuning than in the last 4 years

[bright flume]

@brazen rock whats your thoughts on what trinkets to run on fury? i saw the badge gives crit but the chance on hit gives haste still

for conq

[inland heart]

assuming full honor gear, what pieces of conquest should i target first?

[bright flume]

same with weps.. no haste weps

[onyx vale]

i would do a lot of things for heroic strike capstone to replace rampage for fury

lot of things...

[bright flume]

weapons

[inland heart]

thxs

[bright flume]

should give u busy for few weeks if youre fury

keep*

i wish we didnt need 2 2hs xD

[brazen rock]

i havent looked at conq trinkets yet

if arms is the move, crit is pretty insane

spear crit amp, talent crit amp.

[lean burrow]

I can't believe spriests and locks got nerfed so fast

[brazen rock]

spriest literally got buffed

my guy

[lean burrow]

what

[brazen rock]

massive pve damage buffs that spillover into pvp

[maiden grove]

Arms pvp guide in pins decent?

[brazen rock]

they lost some sustain, big deal.

[copper hare]

Yeah pretty weird there are no pvp modifiers with the pve buffs

[brazen rock]

look at pve changes

Vampiric Touch damage increased by 10%.
Shadow Word: Pain damage increased by 10% for Shadow only.
Shadowy Apparition Damage increased by 10%.
Devouring Plague damage increased by 10%.
Void Bolt damage increased by 20%.
Mind Blast damage increased by 20% for Shadow only.
Mind Spike damage increased by 20%.
Mind Flay damage increased by 20%.
Idol of Y’shaarj increases damage done by 5% when Mindbender is summoned on a feared target (was 15%).

[lean burrow]

pve damage

[mild thunder]

its okay, we all run arms/spri now :))

[brazen rock]

even the arms buffs were meant for pve

but its fine, que 3s with arms/sp/rdruid

[stuck mulch]

wats teh rotation for arms anyway in pvp

[lean burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[brazen rock]

the spec functions by stacking modifiers.

[stuck mulch]

uhuh

[brazen rock]

colossus smash, overpower, exec precision

[heavy basin]

what is best in pvp damage? arms or fury?

[brazen rock]

as of rn, fury. come tuesday, idk

wait till mud wakes up and tells us

[stuck mulch]

ill watch some vids later to get an idea

[tawny river]

more arms buffs

[heavy basin]

i talk mud

[agile granite]

Want survivability not more damage tbh

Buff my dstance you cowards

[heavy basin]

he said it would be even better fury

idk

[high sparrow]

i mean

[heavy basin]

i main arms in shadowlands

[high sparrow]

arms is like 1 damage buff away from running away with mongo damage

[lament belfry]

Yeah Fury is going to be ridiculous

lol

[copper hare]

yeah not really

[brazen rock]

yeah the 2set nobody has

execute hits for balls anyways

[high sparrow]

thats not going to be as big as u think it is lol

[brazen rock]

5% warpaint nerf is big

[lament belfry]

The 4 set that has been tested Execute is almost active 100% of the time

[brazen rock]

ok

[high sparrow]

no its not

[copper hare]

2 + 4 set is like 2% in pve, even without playing annihilator

[mild thunder]

thats definitely not true

[copper hare]

figure the rest

[high sparrow]

it goes from 1.5ppm to like 3 or some shit

[brazen rock]

4.7

[tribal wedge]

if fury lost durability

[mild thunder]

its up enough just to keep up ashen juggernaut

[brazen rock]

its actually one of the worst tier sets by % rn

[high sparrow]

at this rate we're gonna have 2 paper specs tho, enjoy

[brazen rock]

DH is 10% for example.

[tribal wedge]

arms would be the way? Nuked before get nuked?

[heavy basin]

can you reach 1800 being a warrior arms?

[brazen rock]

yeah

[lament belfry]

Yes I've seen one already

[brazen rock]

just 1800 as arms is 2400 as rogue

[lament belfry]

By yeah the 5% warpaint nerf is stupid

[brazen rock]

but atleast your test levels wont be that of a 11yo girl

[mild thunder]

all fury nerfs are based and deserved

[brazen rock]

assa rogue fotm players

[lament belfry]

Kind of just already waiting for Arms to have mongo damage once again

[copper hare]

warlock losing 10% hp is actually so big

[lament belfry]

Well deserved tbh

It was like

[grand mural]

^

[lament belfry]

hitting a fucking wall constantly

[grand mural]

I didnt think it was that bad

[copper hare]

yes hp nerf was the first thing they should have done

[grand mural]

But i also play arms not fury with 0 buttons

[heavy basin]

arms is back? tuesday?

[lament belfry]

Their HP was high as a tank is not suppose to be something lol

[high sparrow]

think arms might be back honestly

[brazen rock]

give it a go.

[high sparrow]

not that it wont be a good spec, just same level as fury

[lean burrow]

I shall level up my rogue and play ass

[brazen rock]

play 3s

ideally with a partner that pulls focus off you

like spriest, lock, ele

or enhance

[mild thunder]

i noticed as kitty, everyone went the feral

but, probs just versing retardos

[copper hare]

What I don't understand, they buff sp dmg in both pve and pvp

but then this

https://gyazo.com/3c2e53e8ebdec58bcdd7b08759246fc7

[lucid walrus]

this is pretty irrelevant ngl

[copper hare]

is the secret technique nerf a big one?

[brazen rock]

fairly

the deathmark nerf is huge

like, giga

[copper hare]

fuck rogues

[brazen rock]

ww burst toned down a ton

locks squish"ish"

[lucid walrus]

ww feels like a pet class rn

[brazen rock]

like arms didnt gain defensive

but a few classes lost alot of dam

[lucid walrus]

yeah at this point our best "defensive" is praying they use us as a metric for how much damage is too much

[tribal wedge]

i really don't understand, they understood a lot of balance problem, nerf self healling, nerf the good class, up the good one, but they don't understand that arms damage is NOT the problem

[copper hare]

What's missing now, feral and prevoker, what else

[lucid walrus]

"can a warrior survive it with exactly one (1) 30% wall? no? okay let's see what happens when mm does 3% less dam"

[high sparrow]

oh dont worry rogues are still gonna be broken

[copper hare]

well they nerfed every top class in pve by 3%, which is good

[lucid walrus]

yeah that's fortunate

[mild thunder]

feral is getting some decent-ish nerfs in 10.0.5

but thats probably months away

[lucid walrus]

the warrior scaling meme is still very much alive except we scale with sympathy buffs sprinkled throughout the patch

[brazen rock]

theyre horrible nerfs tbh, i feel bad theyre forced to pick between lunar inspiration and feral frenzy

[lean burrow]

they want arms as a glasscannon

[mild thunder]

trueee, actually a retarded design choice... blizz has 0 clue what to do with LI

[lean burrow]

[tender kettle]

so do you want drakebreaker gear or just standard honor gear? is the setbonus active ini bgs?

[flat dome]

Hold up. They stealthed nerfed D stance? lol

[mild thunder]

honour

[tribal wedge]

nuke before getting nuke the arms warrior way

the "balance" spec

[lean burrow]

getting nuked is warrior fantasy

[high sparrow]

warrior class fantasy is definitely glass cannon gameplay

[tender kettle]

ok, cool ty, was confused haha

[mild thunder]

some actual communication would at least be nice. just a few little notes to explain wtf they're thinking

[flat dome]

When did they nerf the damage reduction to D stance?

[copper hare]

I don't think so, was literally one of the tankiest classes from SL s1-s4

[tribal wedge]

anyway, at least, i think arms will probably be the way now? MS and exec would crit so fuckin strongly

[high sparrow]

i was being ironic fam

they just have no clue what to do

they clearly dont want to unnerf def stance and its not like we're gonna get a rework now

[lament belfry]

I honestly have a problem with this since they literally don't communicate on some things

[tribal wedge]

how can't they? every body in this discord know exactly what arms need

[high sparrow]

i think so

[copper hare]

Maybe not with arms, but the we never had this much tuning and adjustments before, so I don't complain tbh

[tribal wedge]

20/20 dstance

[tender kettle]

Which arms build on Icyveins do you guys role with? im rolling regular one riight now, but ii saw there is a cleave and a bleed version too.

[tribal wedge]

true, and this is great

[brazen rock]

this, fr fr tho

[high sparrow]

20/20 dstance is awful gameplay and boring

people just afk in dstance until dampening

[brazen rock]

we're 2 weeks in and how many adjustments have we had?

[high sparrow]

i'd like to see dstance go to 10/10 tho

[mild thunder]

horrible take

[high sparrow]

and bring back ignore pain but they're not gonna do that now that its a prot specific

[onyx vale]

10/10 is the same problem

[lucid walrus]

10/10 becomes a question of why it's in the game

[onyx vale]

just make it 15/30 or 20/40

i don't care

[mild thunder]

i'd prefer 20/30 over 10/10

[high sparrow]

its the same problem but toned down

[copper hare]

They pretty much nerfed lock every week now, before in SL or BFA it literally took them a couple months to do one lock change whenever they were the most broken thing

[onyx vale]

ignore pain would be better than anything

but they just don't want off gcd rage spender cuz it would affect pve

so we're fucked

[mild thunder]

ignore pain pvp talent :)))

[high sparrow]

i dont think anybody was using 60 rage on Ip to reset overpower lol

[onyx vale]

its not to reset overpower

[mild thunder]

it was defs the play in m+

[onyx vale]

it's cuz overpower deals more damage than slam

[mild thunder]

it was like >4 targets, IP overtook ww and slam

[tribal wedge]

when do i press my slam button if i had to IP

[onyx vale]

now you slam > overpower cuz else you overcap and you want to spend for tom/am

if we had ignore pain we would overpower and ignore pain to not overcap

[copper hare]

I only slam my desk

[onyx vale]

which would be a nicer gameplay but apparently people think arms is a slow spec

[lean burrow]

dw, I'll tell them after lunch

[tribal wedge]

but they won't give back ignore pain before some big patch

[onyx vale]

so if you get more than 50 apm people start complaining about their hands hurting

[mild thunder]

arms pace in pve feels fine

who wants to be slamming their keyboard like an outlaw all the time

[lucid walrus]

IP was great to fish for a tac proc or stop an overcap while you were bladestorming

felt very natural

[onyx vale]

outlaw gameplay is SLAMMING

love it, would play it if rogue had a tank spec

[mild thunder]

outlaw gameplay

is the most boring rotation of all time

[stuck mulch]

dodge tank

[lean burrow]

title seems actually good

[onyx vale]

you played wod?

[tribal wedge]

mmh about tank ....

[onyx vale]

you'd say outlaw current gameplay is more boring than the shit arms and fury had in wod?

[lucid walrus]

this kicks ass

[mild thunder]

wod fury was goated

change my mind

https://tenor.com/view/change-my-mind-bilal-bilal-göregen-vibincat-busta-heinz-gif-20505794

[brazen rock]

bro the amount of news, tuning, and just general articles this expac

[onyx vale]

[brazen rock]

unreal

[stuck mulch]

time to grind the fury solo shuffle until next reset then try out arms

[onyx vale]

brb time to slam my skull on the wall to forget I read this

[mild thunder]

tbfffff

anything is better than current fury

[lean burrow]

yea, time to buy blizzard stocks

[muted surge]

Let’s hope they keep it up

[agile granite]

Solo shuffle rank is spec based right? I’ve only been playing arms

[brazen rock]

yes

[stuck mulch]

yee

[muted surge]

Yes

[agile granite]

Ty

[tender kettle]

which arms build do you guys prefer between regular, bleed and cleave?

[mild thunder]

defs not bleed

[brazen rock]

all of them lmao

nah but ms spam battlelord

[tender kettle]

doin regular atm ^^

[high sparrow]

bleed arms 🤮

[brazen rock]

is the move rn

[copper hare]

crimson legend

I'm literally

wet

WHO DOESNT WANNA HAVE LEGEND IN HIS TITLE

WDYM

[drowsy wasp]

why they buff aff lock again

[tender kettle]

I saw 3 builds on IIcy so I just went the regular one haha.

[brazen rock]

10% stam nerf for all lock specs.

[brazen rock]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSEJEJpUSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENKhEEaSESAkEJAAAAAAAAkgkkIAA

[drowsy wasp]

Is warpaint nerf big?

[brazen rock]

fairly.

[drowsy wasp]

DH still so strong

[high sparrow]

50% nerf

wat do u think

[drowsy wasp]

And untouched

[viscid horizon]

Is there any info on upgrading conquest gear with honor?

[lucid walrus]

what's your question?

[brazen rock]

it does nothing to affect pvp scaling.

strictly pve.

[viscid horizon]

That is fine I am trying to convice my RL take conquest gear for prog

[copper hare]

can we talk about crimson legend?

[tender kettle]

basically what II used just different thrw, wrecking instead f shatteriing.

[viscid horizon]

I just wanna know what Ilevel we can upgrade it to and what ratings are needed

[copper hare]

I think that's the best title I've seen

except for lady of blackrock maybe

[copper hare]

408 is elite, same steps as in SL

so 408, 404 duelist, 401 rival 2 and so on

[tender kettle]

OHH forgot about biittter thanks frr the build ❤️

[stuck mulch]

intervene

[tribal wedge]

at least, craft helmet stat is now BiS

[brazen rock]

if you dont take intervene in pvp please leave this channel

smh

[stuck mulch]

i play like i want dont gate keep cringe

[mild thunder]

didnt bajheera say he's not taking rally?

[stuck mulch]

if ur not taking rally leave this channel

smh

[bright flume]

thunderclap or gay

[high sparrow]

was about to say

based

[vagrant sorrel]

has anyone actually got 200 sparks of life yet

[stuck mulch]

yes

[bright flume]

yeh lol ez

just go to pvp cave

get a group takes like 45 mins

full on slaughterhouse in there

[vagrant sorrel]

i went there earlier not a single soul

[lucid walrus]

clap is a wild pick

[mild thunder]

i went and got farmed by a group of 5 :)))

[sharp meteor]

World quests are 10, backpacks and dirt piles are 5.

Just do it while in shuffle queue.

[vagrant sorrel]

i cant find shit lol

[stuck mulch]

dirt piles are fucking gone for me

hard times for the alt

[vagrant sorrel]

pvp cave empty, cobalt assembly empty. No loot found anywherte

place is a ghost town

[bright flume]

really ?

there was heaps of people there on my realm,

30-40 players at one time

was like a bg

[vagrant sorrel]

ya and I play on illidan too which is high pop i thought

[wooden grove]

Join an lfg maybe your current shard is just fucked

[wheat crane]

Lame

Fury nerf hate to see it

[amber harness]

arms again

fury got no bladestorm and used to be ded in every cheapshot ever but first thing you see "FuRY is Too DUUrable 🙃"

[near delta]

They really want us to play arms without doing anything to fix its survivability lol

Fury is insanely durable

[amber harness]

idk tuning just is completely cringe again

[high sparrow]

vs a couple specific specs and vs players that dont know how to stop fury healing sure

[amber harness]

pve top 5 specs in heroic are 3 rogue specs

[high sparrow]

ye we're just gonna have 2 glass cannon specs

[amber harness]

I hate rogue to the moon

[wheat crane]

Its so annoying

[amber harness]

and its worse spec is better than most classes best spec

[wheat crane]

Just unnerf dstance well all go back lol

I dk togues getting some pretty big nerfs right

Hitting assa bleeds

[high sparrow]

d stance 😴

[amber harness]

oh yeah pretty nerfed that they cant just one tap

still possible with summer buff

[wheat crane]

Well see

Probably still gonna be fury

[high sparrow]

idk man

[amber harness]

idk actually arms execute insane af

[high sparrow]

these recent buffs + the 10.0.5 changes

[amber harness]

it was strong before

[high sparrow]

arms is gonna do mongo damage

and what raakha is saying

[severe skiff]

current execute is weaker than 1 overpower stack MS

it def needed a buff

[amber harness]

the next patch is it coming soon-ish or like usual blizzard patch in 7 months?

[severe skiff]

ptr changes prob in a month or two

[amber harness]

still too much

[craggy cloak]

Wait Warpaint getting nerfed ??

When ?

[thick reef]

hey guys how is fury warriors against unholy dk?

[craggy socket]

can i send me alts honor?

fury 5% nerf to warpaint, not a big deal

arms getting a buff

ret/arms back on the menu

[raw summit]

nop

[craggy socket]

😦

[high sparrow]

[amber harness]

warpaint is your only damage reduction during 2nd go of a rogue

[vagrant sorrel]

I think fury will still be better than arms though

[high sparrow]

barely, if at all

[lean burrow]

and 3rd, and 4th

[amber harness]

fury strength always was giga MS which it doesnt have anymore

[true hull]

but at least all three rogue specs can kill you in 3 gcd

[amber harness]

once you get to 36% it already runs out

[lean burrow]

i like bloodrage on fury

[amber harness]

so fury basically has an average 20%ms right now

where rogue just has better ms now by pooping you in the face

[true hull]

you need more haste then

bcs when the 38% stacks up i still have 5-6 sec

[high sparrow]

you might just be playing vs people that have no hands

because vs sp lock rogue comps which is 80% of the bracket in 3s above 1800 u definitely dont have high slaughterhouse uptime

[amber harness]

doesnt matter anyways I think

arms nuke jsut better and support

all depends on setup too

[true hull]

im not playing 2s and 3s atm only solo shuffle

[amber harness]

yeah solo shuffle fury no doubt

[vagrant sorrel]

how many of you are going to roll arms

[delicate bronze]

arms or no warrior

[high sparrow]

i definitely am

was already bored of BT spam

[delicate bronze]

i got so bored of fury

[vagrant sorrel]

I already bought 2 pieces of haste conq gear so i think im locked in at this point lol

[raw summit]

i mean you can play haste arms

completely valid playstyle

[mild thunder]

2 pieces is very, very far from locked in

and yea haste isnt even bad as arms

[vagrant sorrel]

fair

[true hull]

don't buy pieces until you don't have the weapon

[stark pollen]

is bloodthirst spam the only viable fury pvp build or is raging blow still ok

just got the xpac like last week

[mild thunder]

raging blow is viable, but just objectively worse

[vagrant sorrel]

what do you mean dont have the wep?

[mild thunder]

and equally boring, you just spam rb instead of bt lol

[stark pollen]

i personally like the mindless spam but i may be in the minority lol

[true hull]

your first conq item should be the weapon because only thing as warrior you need is wapon damage in the first place only then strength and only then secondary stats

[high sparrow]

i didnt hate it in SL cos it spam charged u and that was goofy and fun

now its boring

[vagrant sorrel]

yea i kinda messed up there, now i risk getting a double loot in the vault aswell i suppose

got too excited

[high sparrow]

spamming BT during enraged regen do be kinda fun tho

[true hull]

but don't forget you can get also two crafted pvp items which are 424 ilvl like the conq gear there is a Helm and a feet

[brazen rock]

its fine, get 421 warmode wep with trophies next week if vault cucks you

[vagrant sorrel]

ok thanks guys

[real shuttle]

How do you check average mmr?

[rigid tangle]

its better to leave and loose cr than to play if mmr is lower ?

[autumn whale]

hey guys, is it worth getting the glad pole arm for fury or stick with the great sword? pole arm seems like its better stats?

[craggy socket]

Warrior will be fine lol

It’s always good

[slate violet]

how kill evokers, getting rolled in 2s as Warrior DH when the other team has Pres

[distant raptor]

is Warrior/Hunter a good 2s?

[delicate bronze]

Its kinda bad

[distant raptor]

damn i fuckin suck at arena, can't even tell what's happening

moves too fast

[sharp meteor]

Same.

[sharp meteor]

No.

It can work in 3v3.

[distant raptor]

with what kinda healer

how do i learn arena? keep playin?

idk any classes and what they do

[sharp meteor]

Can read about kits between queue sessions.

Helps to see stuff, though.

[tacit flicker]

Just keep playing games. You’ll learn - nothing like diving right in

[brazen rock]

provoker, rdruid, disc

[wheat crane]

Pretty much, you can watch some guides and youtube content but youll forget it all heat of the moment

If watch some warrior streams its better to take mental notes of their positioning in the begining

Start with the fundamentals, learn your pve rotation like the back of your hand, and focus on positioning

Situational awareness will come with in game experience

[glacial cargo]

@wheat crane Allen Ginsberg, one of the most famous American poets, fucked kids. So for someone who claims such literary prestige, it's odd that you're so closeminded

[real shuttle]

Do you guys have a dedicated pvp char and a pve one (to not miss out on vaults)

[mild thunder]

are you okay in the head?

[brazen rock]

no

[mild thunder]

yes but only because im raiding on ww this tier... arms kinda boringo in pve atm

[brazen rock]

yes ww 123 123 4 123 123 4 rotation is mucho no boring

[mild thunder]

😠

[brazen rock]

kicking flippy man with awful animations vs giga chad with lava armor and DRAGONBANE SPEAR

get out.

[mild thunder]

im sorry arms 12311111234 is so much better

[brazen rock]

yeah but atleast i look good doing it

[mild thunder]

arms aoe rotation is fun

thats it

also begging to have an enh in the team every tier got so old

[brazen rock]

tru

when arms still isn't being picked over fury in world first teams itll get buffed again and more damage will spillover into pvp

then we'll get hit with the "arms lacks the defensive utilty of other popular melee dps, like rogue, so we've decided to make ignore pain available in the arms spellbook"

[mild thunder]

hahaha

[brazen rock]

I mean MS just got a flat 8.3333% buff lmao

combined with tier I can reasonably see critting 200k MS on cloth/leather

[mild thunder]

the fact that defensives arent being addressed in 10.0.5 and arms has already gotten all the love its likely to get there, signals to me that its never gonna happen

[brazen rock]

10.0.5 is ptr and they said those changes are just the beginning though

[mild thunder]

just the beginning for tuning, but probably the end for arms

like, we've gotten a ton of changes on ptr

[brazen rock]

yee but they gotta see where these buffs make the class stand

if its still not where they want, more changes inc

[mild thunder]

still doubt it'll be defensives

[brazen rock]

i am LITERALLY buttchugging copium rn btw

[mild thunder]

realistically, i dont think blizz wants arms to play how it used to in arena... "brawler" specs that play around their utility and tankiness like arms usually does are probably just harder to balance than mongo glass cannons

but - maybe im just too doomerpilled

[surreal zephyr]

How fekkin' DARE PvP involve a kill style that doesn't involve suddenly dying in a couple of seconds. Heresy and blasphemy

[lean burrow]

dstance 15/25 and arms is perfect