pvp

[mild ibex]

Yeah conquest gear is marginal upgrade but M+ gear is almost mandatory to push keys sigh …

[brazen rock]

use pins, scroll down to muds build.

[fossil mortar]

Wowhead better than icyveins tho

[teal nest]

quick question why dont we use improved raging blow

[stuck root]

Because we dont use raging blow probably @teal nest

[brazen rock]

because we play annihilator and literally cant press raging blow.

[teal nest]

tq

[fathom aspen]

Is Arms in a better spot now?

Doesn't seem like the survivability improved much nut maybe the damage is there?

[delicate bronze]

Who still plays arms?

[brazen rock]

me

its fun in 3s

[delicate bronze]

I wanna but if diehard arms fan go to fury im sad

[brazen rock]

absolute dogwater in solo/2s tho

[delicate bronze]

Can i go 1800 with arms and hunter in 2s

[vagrant sorrel]

anyone have any tips for getting sparks of life

[brazen rock]

nah youll get rolled by assa/healer and shit

[delicate bronze]

Fair

[fathom aspen]

I mean I'm playing freaking Survival right now and I just want to come home ma

[brazen rock]

1600+ 2s is actually hell

[delicate bronze]

Do i cope the arms buff fumes

Or give up

[brazen rock]

the arms buffs dont save the spec

at all

[delicate bronze]

I meant for future ones

[brazen rock]

they're just pve changes so arms players arent railroaded into ST or AOE builds

eh

wait for first round of pvp tuning

[tired portal]

when is that?

[brazen rock]

who knooooows

pve tuning happens quicker cuz they have logs to pull from and likely direct contact with top 10 guilds

pvp is a minigame played by 0.1% of the population seriously.

[ripe widget]

is it normal winning 5/6 of solo shuffle and getting only 60 points (1400 - 1600 bracket)

[vagrant sorrel]

How am I supposed to get sparks of life if nobody is pvping in azure span lmao

[brazen rock]

WQ

dirt piles

rares

[sharp meteor]

world quests are 10

backpacks are 5

dirt are 5

pvp wq is 25

fighting at pvp wq is also good

[fiery oxide]

rares drop 8

[drowsy wasp]

How can I get primal chaos fast, doing arena and BG are still too slow

[pallid tartan]

Dirt

Dungeons is probably the answer if you really want it fast tho

[brazen night]

Uh, I feel like BG chests are fast chaos

[brazen rock]

heroic dungeon is fastest chaos imo

que tank, run from boss to boss

[mild ermine]

What's your conq plans?

Saving for double weaps or?

[brazen rock]

save conq this week

if gigachad vault, pick wep and buy armor, use strife trophies to buy 421 warmode 2h

otherwise, buy wep and warmode 2h

[ripe widget]

how do you get those trophies?

[brazen rock]

go to adventure guide, click through till you get the page for :sparks of life, azure span: or some shit

go to azure span with WM on, kill rares, do WQs, kill players, loot dirt.

[maiden grove]

gdi I want to play arms so bad in PVP but major sad face

[brazen rock]

go play 3s.

[maiden grove]

solo shuffle? T.T

[brazen rock]

disgusting

also 30min ques

[keen silo]

does the drakebreker's set bosues work in arena?

[brazen rock]

no

[zenith marlin]

do yall always train to failure

legit cant workout thia week lmao im wrecked

just sitting and playing wow

[brazen rock]

did you deadlift 4x again

doing sets of 15?

[zenith marlin]

nah havent touched a bar since

ust did rows and chest

deadlift to failure for a few months knocked me out

[brazen rock]

are you following a program or just going at it by feel.

[zenith marlin]

feel lmao

[brazen rock]

yeah stop doing that.

[zenith marlin]

yeah I was 22 last I was serious now at 24 it diff suddenly

was hitting prs every week gave a break with pandemic and boom lol

[brazen rock]

2 years of pandemic is to blame not age

[ashen obsidian]

breaks are brutal

[brazen rock]

probably eating like shit and sedentary as fuck

[ashen obsidian]

gotta reset the progression

[main urchin]

There a cap on Trophy of Strife? Just the one quest?

[vast goblet]

Pre sure it’s just the one quest

[tranquil hemlock]

One weekly quest

[main urchin]

Sitting here on my 2 Sparks of Ingenuity twiddling my thumbs with what to use them on. I'm always a weapon guy but maybe I need those boots.

[kind canopy]

is it worth leveling bs for this item to make gold

[bright flume]

we cant get anymore than 8 trophys a week right?

[main urchin]

Thoughts on what to use sparks on? Helm and Boots?

[cinder lake]

Opinion about tauren race fury warr?? xD

[sage raptor]

Good racial

[whole forge]

Yo guys what you think about arms buff

[crystal laurel]

hey guys whats the best burst opener again for fury in pvp?

[sharp meteor]

highmountain seems better

[brazen rock]

all worse than dark iron or orc.

or human

or gnome

[cinder lake]

i mean as tauren you have 2% increased extra crit strike bonus dmg and also healing!you also have increased stamina..kinda underatted stat..and also the warstomp stun sometimes may help you reach one more execute finisher..

seems decent at all..orc cc reduction does not stack with th trinkets anyways

talkin for horde side only..

high mountain dunno smthng dont fits like normal tauren.

also warstomp can used either for another important interrupt since its way fast

[gritty salmon]

Ngl enjoying the season

hopefully 2k on solo by sunday

Fury self healing is really insane with ann build

[spice hornet]

You can be anything

I’m doing well as vulpera

[sharp meteor]

true

[gritty salmon]

Hows arms doing

I think of all the games ive faced one arms

[proven maple]

Vulpera is the master race

[gritty salmon]

Hewman better

Is there any way to send honor to a different char

like at the end of shadowlands

[sharp meteor]

Tragically not yet.

[proven maple]

Humans don’t have fur or tails.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, and they don't do cute flips.

[pearl prism]

I need to send honour back to wife and 9 kids in vietnam

[gritty salmon]

Ive capped 15k

And I dont wanna buy those boxes

Wish to gear up my fdk

[sharp meteor]

You can buy the 5k boxes or upgrade pve gear.

So there's tokens that can be redeemed for 150 honor and are boa, but you can't buy them YET

(they come from the boxes)

HOPEFULLY those are put on vendors for like 175-200 honor or something (ideally 150)

[gritty salmon]

yEA

Yea Ä

Wanna try on my fdk main

benched it for a bit

[brazen rock]

its fun in 3s

[molten dagger]

whats a TC in rbg?

[brazen rock]

target caller.

usually warrior (because sharpen) or dk (because grip)

[stuck root]

just me or is fury turboass in 2s

playing with druid and we just get out damaged every game

[brazen rock]

everything but dh rogue sp and lock is ass in 2s.

[rare ibex]

Just noticed some of the higher ranking furies aren't even taking Execute. Does that seem odd?

[undone pumice]

2s not warr bracket

[brazen rock]

what?

[rare ibex]

Maybe Drustvar is broken

[brazen rock]

you cant not have execute.

its baseline.

[rare ibex]

Sorry, Improved Execute

Like, would you give up IE for Slaughtering Strikes?

[brazen rock]

execute is bugged for fury rn and always generating rage.

so the talent is meh

slaughtering strikes is total ass

[undone pumice]

what

[gritty salmon]

@rare ibex Not worth

Go sudden death instead

[undone pumice]

exe never cost rage for fury in last few exp

[gritty salmon]

Slaughterng strikes is only good if you are going raging blow

[brazen rock]

i didnt say otherwise.

im 99% sure execute generates rage with or without the talent rn

i stopped playing fury a while ago so i forget

[simple rock]

random questions: does unhinged ms sweeping strikes? and can thunderous roar be dodged/parried

can't test atm

[gritty salmon]

This what im going right now @rare ibex

Fresh meat is really good because you dont have to go enduring rage

[rare ibex]

I'm basically running the same build without Improved Whirlwind

[gritty salmon]

You go improved whirlwind because you need aoe

in 3s and shuffle

And dont worry about losing dps when using whirlwind once

[brazen rock]

even with that talent whirldwind hits like a fuzzy limp dildo.

[gritty salmon]

Yea I know

but its padding the pain

Its good against melee cleaves

[rare ibex]

@brazen rock what are you running?

[coarse dagger]

Doesn't help other WW talents got nerfed.

[acoustic eagle]

anyone know of a good starter pvp guide out there for fury...the icy veins one says it's updated but there are some discrepancies throughout

[gritty salmon]

Meeting a rogue and monk at solo is genuinely annoying

[uneven turret]

how many pieces is there crafted boe gear

crimson combatant

is Draconium axe pvp gear?

[main urchin]

Straight up drac axe? no

[uneven turret]

so only 8 slots of pvp gear u can buy right? the crimson combatant stuff

any BOE neck/ring/wep/trinkets?

[copper hare]

don't think about it

you farm full honor gear in half a day

[uneven turret]

if u keep winning

[copper hare]

yeah just queue as alliance

[main urchin]

Thoughts on ingenuity spending?

[warped warren]

@fickle forge EXPLAIN

[lean burrow]

seems like roar can't be dodged

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=397364/thunderous-roar

effect applied by troar, tho maybe it's just dot

[fickle forge]

Feel free to list them

[warped warren]

this is the bleed part

[fickle forge]

Also ya'll noticed spear can be dodged now?

[warped warren]

[oak maple]

yep, a mistweaver dodged it then he tp`d out of it

i actually wanted to cry

[lean burrow]

[steep inlet]

Fuck spear

Worst spell

[sharp meteor]

missin her (conq banner)

[steep inlet]

yep

[fickle forge]

Conq master race

[acoustic eagle]

rotation page talks about bloodrage and thunderous roar. Fury lost bloodrage right? and thunderous roar isnt in the suggested build. sorry i'm a big fat noob

[fickle forge]

Yeah I had someone say the same yesterday

But it's just the IV talent calculator that's broken

[acoustic eagle]

sorry not bloodrage

bladestorm lol

[fickle forge]

It's supposed to say to pick up Roar

[acoustic eagle]

roar over spear?

[copper hare]

both are good, no clear winner. Some match ups favor spear for setups but spear is useless whenever people get out or lock you down, roar is pretty much always dmg + more bleed dmg

[fickle forge]

Think I'll make it easier and just include both

No confusions then

😎👍

[main urchin]

I put spear on target self which is nice.

[acoustic eagle]

what would you give up to take both

[copper hare]

10% of your armor as strength, avatar, odyns fury proc lol

[stuck mulch]

i like the RP of roar

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

everyone takes emotional dmg they cant avoid

[acoustic eagle]

why is avatar bad, can it be dispeled?

[copper hare]

would be nice if roar still had this mini knock up like dragonroar

or knock down or whatever it was

[sharp meteor]

it isn't

and it can't

[stuck mulch]

true avatar sucks

we need it up more often

[main urchin]

There a bis page somewhere?

I mean there must be.. where is said page? 😛

[acoustic eagle]

dang i was excited to try solo shuffle but i guess it's ded

[hollow ore]

What?

"Now a protection spell"?

is it like gone gone or is it just a classification thing

[copper hare]

it's an exclusive nerf to prot pve

[undone pumice]

it should now protect you

[stuck mulch]

its not, just dont que and think u will get in avg time 7 min just do herbs etc while u w8

[acoustic eagle]

💀

there arent 5 other idiots out there that want to tango??

[stuck mulch]

are you NA or EU @acoustic eagle

[acoustic eagle]

NA

solo is nice bc i need to practice hah

[stuck mulch]

:hmm what time is it

[acoustic eagle]

12:17am pst

gamer oclock

[stuck mulch]

@acoustic eagle yea i feel ya 100% i like it, but i want faster ques too, but ya get wat ya get

first time i ever play warrior in wow

normally a paladin main

[acoustic eagle]

i played warrior in classic. rank 13 gnome warrior w/ bre and all that jazz. good times

even had might of menethil by the end. miss that guy

[stuck mulch]

damn a warrior nerd

i bow i bow

[acoustic eagle]

yeah but in retail i have no idea....just been having fun. my main for pve is enhancement shaman and playing him takes a lot of focus

i like the warrior bc it's mostly smashing keys

in comparison

so far i like the pvp gearing system alot. m+ just came out and im already burnt on it

[main urchin]

What did people use their sparks on?

[vast goblet]

My longest was 42 mins

[sharp meteor]

I'm waiting at least a week or two.

Then I'll grab whatever best suits what I get from my vaults.

[acoustic eagle]

i feel like it'd be more popular

[stuck mulch]

i think its due to healers. alot of my healer friends hate solo shuffle

well hate love it

cus dps are retarded

[atomic ingot]

90% of healers are dog shit

[stuck mulch]

not wrong, alot of them are new healers 100%

[copper hare]

90% of the dps use their defensives when they're sub 10% hp which doesnt work anymore in this game

Saw a lot of people in shuffles that die pre cd or even pre block/bubble and then blame the healers

[atomic ingot]

Wouldn’t be 10% hp if the healer did their job

Healers all suck

[copper hare]

just proved my point ty

[latent zenith]

Truth

[atomic ingot]

Dog shitters

[green wyvern]

lmao

[main urchin]

If you're all in on PVP... what's the thoughts on those 2 ( are there more?) epics craftable pieces?

[acoustic eagle]

does valor gear get upgraded with more valor?

[atomic ingot]

I’ve played 1k+ solo shuffles so far, the issue is always the beakers

Healers

[copper hare]

sure it is

[green wyvern]

solo shuffle is a joke, real 3v3 is unironically better practice for solo shuffle

[atomic ingot]

Healer cope

Press your buttons

[stuck mulch]

agreed having more fun with my friends in that, but did they nerf the 10 first games rating gain? its just 90 or something per win

[acoustic eagle]

im just using solo shuffle to be a shitter in peace. Until i'm confident enough to group with ppl that have souls

[wheat jay]

Have you?

[sterile ferry]

It's fun to talk to people during the match imo

[atomic ingot]

Yes

[sterile ferry]

Everyone mad at fury rn

[wheat jay]

Have you really?

[atomic ingot]

Yes

[acoustic eagle]

whys that

[atomic ingot]

1078 matches so far

Healer issue 100% of the time

[wheat jay]

Cr check

[sterile ferry]

Lots of dps and sustain heals Tunnel a dps down to half, cc heal, stun and burst

[sage raptor]

tbf solo shuffle is where the more casuals go to get pvp gear

[sterile ferry]

Bait out defensives with reck or odyns fury if ur specced for it

It's fun to just pick up

[atomic ingot]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Illidan/Mourrice

[acoustic eagle]

i need a rating before i can go speed dating in 3s

[wheat jay]

Says 66

[atomic ingot]

Check your facts polish cuck

[green wyvern]

how do u already have 1k matches

[atomic ingot]

I’m an addict

Warrior main

[wheat jay]

He's american, americans arent good at math

[atomic ingot]

That’s only one of my warriors

I am like mud

10 warriors

[acoustic eagle]

i found a warrior friend for 2's we are 3-0 undefeated LETS GO

[steep inlet]

lol

sure 3 matches say it all

[muted surge]

Don’t be toxic :<

[acoustic eagle]

yes i am the best pvper that has ever walked this earth

[steep inlet]

i'm not

[muted surge]

I believe in you!

[steep inlet]

but this guys drunk

[muted surge]

Is that yogi

[lean burrow]

it's mud on alt

[stuck mulch]

muds ego grew too large and split into another sperg

[acoustic eagle]

i'm 3-1 now

i hope you're happy

[stuck mulch]

dream is dead

[acoustic eagle]

my pvp career is over

[white briar]

Is mastery 200 IQ with the bleed build or nah? Big skullsplitter slap.

[green wyvern]

Nah

doesn't deal enough damage to reliably one shot people

[acoustic eagle]

do i get valor sword or polearm....polearm has better stats but babes love swords

[hard hound]

polearm

[toxic latch]

is fury or arms better for pvp atm? and also whats the difference between conquest and honor gear? (apart from the pve stats)

[torpid roost]

comps change the value relative to each other

for random/solo, I'd say Fury 100% tho

[muted surge]

Read the tooltip on both sets

[sterile carbon]

anyone using gladius, how do you actually set it up without being in arena. there's no test button or anything to get it to show so i can movew it around

[muted surge]

/gladius test1-5

[sterile carbon]

ah

[quaint snow]

[muted surge]

He likes you

How cute

[quaint snow]

[torpid roost]

duuuuude

solo shuffle if someone leaves, your rating is unchanged even if you're undefeated

[muted surge]

Ye be glad about that

[torpid roost]

Be glad? Fuck that, 4-0 and 3-0 flushed down the toilet over that

[muted surge]

And the other way as well

[torpid roost]

well, if you're losing you should, y'know, lose

[muted surge]

Having a shitter that leaves after costing you 2 or 3 rounds doesn’t feel@good

[torpid roost]

like, give credit for finished rounds and move on

queue is 30+ minutes

I should be ~1800, I'm mid-1400's

I'll get there, but it'll take more and more and more hours

[stuck mulch]

i should be glad too

[wheat jay]

You play fury?

[green wyvern]

season started 2 days ago and people already stressing out over solo shuffle

[stuck mulch]

not glad day 1... fucking useless

[vivid oracle]

Im saving conq for wep next week, should i also be saving the strife tokens to get the 421 wep so I can guarantee 2 weps

[quaint snow]

i would do that

[vivid oracle]

I'm 2k in shuffle now, some queues are 30 mins, others are 30 secs. no inbetween. wtf is going on

[quaint snow]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-twerking-dance-moves-yeah-gif-10104384

[quaint snow]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533 ofc

[sterile carbon]

gladius ex is so buggy for me, keeps leaving random icons all over my screen. need to try a diff arena plates addon

[umbral creek]

Do we spend bloody tokens on weapon first or armor for set bonus?

[real shuttle]

What should we enchant on gear for tertiary, speed or leech ?

[tribal wedge]

set bonus doesnt work on arena

[umbral creek]

Well I'll be. Weapon then aye?

[tribal wedge]

i guess

so

[umbral creek]

Drakebreaker ilvl in arena is lower than the other aspirant gear though. Better to stay in aspirant?

[tight flint]

I'm taking bloody weapon so next week I can have conquest weapon and upgraded bloody weapon

[warped warren]

naaaaahhh, aint no way

[umbral creek]

Conquest weapon? I'm new to pvp

[tribal wedge]

that's the point

[umbral creek]

Oh shit these conquest weapons have a much higher ilvl

[tight flint]

Now that the season started you can gain conquest, a currency like honor, by playing rated pvp and doing some more stuff... The weapon is usually the best choice... For fury is hard to get 2 weapons since it is 1800 each and early in the season you dont get that much conquest a week.

[sterile carbon]

anyone know what arena frames these arE?

[tight flint]

And now with a weekly quest you can get a token to upgrade the bloody gear you get from world pvp

So I think the best approach is to get the conquest weapon and upgraded bloody weapon for week 2

Huge power spike in my opinion

[umbral creek]

Thanks. COnquest weapons better than upgarded world pvp weapons?

[tribal wedge]

3 ilvl more

[umbral creek]

Are conquest items BiS for pvp?

[tribal wedge]

not huge but still beter

yep

[umbral creek]

Sweet

Wish I started on launch not this week this is fun as hell

[cinder lake]

you guys kill easy a dh havoc as fury in solo shuffle etc?

[umbral creek]

Are they increasing the conquest cap every week?

[tribal wedge]

1350 this week, 550 every next week

[tight flint]

In 1v1 with fury I dont have trouble against any class tbh

But any class with a lot of mobility is annoying when it is not a 1v1

[cinder lake]

seems they put way big dmg overall as havoc in solo shuffle i see.

although they are not that tanky anymore.

@tight flint

but i think they are still overal better than us..even with all these nerfs

[nimble forge]

any1 know this bug? i see a PvP/Worldquest in Valdrakken and if i fly there this quest disapears 3 times in a row now

[late nacelle]

secret technique

sub rogue

250k dmg

in 0.3 sec

nice game

[cinder lake]

xD

[umbral creek]

550 atop of the 1350?

[stuck mulch]

ye

[umbral creek]

Thank Obama. Do I need to buy the pvp item sets as I get the required rating?

[stuck mulch]

how do u mean

[umbral creek]

I hit 1,000 and it said it unlocked appearances

[stuck mulch]

ah thats just transmog

u get it right away as u get more rating

[umbral creek]

Do I need to buy the mog?

Sexy thx

[stuck mulch]

u can go to collection then sets and see ur progress

[umbral creek]

Appreciate it

[tight flint]

Well its not to the point that its unplayable so Im fine with it 😄

I got to 1500 rating and now Im only getting 2 rating per win... is that normal? lol

[torpid roost]

Why would that be unbelievable? I got screwed on queues, it's only day 2 of the season, man, you can only play so much. CR isn't MMR isn't where you're gonna end up on day 2, lol

[vivid oracle]

Its all up to who you play with, that sounds like your mmr is low af

[tight flint]

I didnt play at all in shadowlands

And I pretty much won every I've played

[stuck mulch]

depends on avg rating of the game

and how much u win, if its even and u just win 3 u dont get much

[tight flint]

hm okay makes sense

[stuck mulch]

if ur higher than ur avg u can win 4-5 and get fuck all

[umbral creek]

Is the ring from farming cobalt rep worth wearing over aspirants?

[stuck mulch]

nah

dont think it even works in rated

and i think it got mega nerfed in normal pvp

[gritty salmon]

I pray to god that I get a weapon in chest

[stuck mulch]

easy to get good weps, u can buy it next week with conq and make the other with the strife

atleast thats wat im gonna do

[tight flint]

Strife"?

[umbral creek]

You can get items from pvp chests?

[tight flint]

He means the vault

[umbral creek]

Ah I C

[quartz spindle]

sadge

[gritty salmon]

At 1900 now, but waiting for the queue

Want to make it to 2100 and then go arena

After that im switching to my dk

[quartz spindle]

tbh I just want to play 🙂

37 mins in queue is... not great

[gritty salmon]

Very few healers

Solo shuffle actually is reviving pvp but theres very few healers

[graceful ginkgo]

Yeah cus healing sucks with instant dampening and all the CC

[gritty salmon]

Was easy as hell to find games early rating

once I hit 1600 it became each 20 minutes

at 1800 its each 30-40 mins

[graceful ginkgo]

I wouldn’t heal in shuffle either, 0 fun unless prevoker

[gritty salmon]

Now its 40 minutes

I mean, the thing with shuffle

[quartz spindle]

48 mins atm

[gritty salmon]

is that its very fun in the sense that there isnt shitty beast comps

[graceful ginkgo]

Play a healer

[gritty salmon]

Everyone can win

But yea I get it being a healer is harsh right nw

Issue is also most dps love to line their healers

Instead of actually looking where they are

[glacial jungle]

how is 2 1handers in pvp?

is it trash?

[gritty salmon]

Trash

[glacial jungle]

i figured

[gritty salmon]

No one plays it, and the people who tried quickly removed it

2h just does more damage and gives better stats

[glacial jungle]

makes sense, wasted talent nodes then

[gritty salmon]

It is, I dont know when 1h will ever beceome viable

But I am very sure this wont be the expansion

that it will

[stuck mulch]

when you que into pshero

:painchamp

rogues overall is horrible to go against

[scarlet barn]

https://tenor.com/view/starwarsday-gif-5413758

[worthy fern]

Get strafe but going into solo shuffle

Try and relog to fix

Kicks me out and gives me -100

[gritty salmon]

Rougues are very very

annoying

my god

[vapid rover]

I play on 1h build full haste, i like it a lot, i compared with the 2h standard build it just look close as dmg

But sometimes i swap to 2h build when i know i gonna take huge burst like shaman

[gritty salmon]

I dont really see any viability for it but kudos to you

the thing is 2h can get a lot of haste

with annihilator build

With full rampage and stacked haste buff you can get around 50 % haste

[vapid rover]

As 1h i hit average 57% haste and 75% with weapon proc enchant

With the atk speed annihilator is my 3rd source of dmg x)

[heavy basin]

What is best in Pvp? ¿Arms or Fury now?

[gritty salmon]

fury

Without doubt

Especially with the stealth buff

on slaughterhouse

[vapid rover]

Stealth buff ?

[heavy basin]

in damage?

[gritty salmon]

Remember this?

[heavy basin]

in damage..Fury or arms?

[gritty salmon]

They are both good

equally honestly

fury is easier though

Arms have good damage, they are just easy to kill

thats their issue

[vapid rover]

And i play with Sidearm too as 1h build

[gritty salmon]

This is what I get if I have full haste stack @vapid rover

[vapid rover]

Yeah that’s it

And with enchant proc i had 75%

[gritty salmon]

THe haste enchant proc?

Go vers instead, you dont need that much haste

[vapid rover]

Yeah idk the name in english, its a proc that give 1300 haste

The vers proc is on the 2nd weapon

[gritty salmon]

I see, I went mastery there

The thing is

Bloodbath

Is a 1 sec cooldown

essentially its gcd

[vapid rover]

Yeah

[gritty salmon]

So after 50 % haste

It really is what you need

[vapid rover]

As 1h build i focus on AA

I tested both

Both was just close to each other

[stuck mulch]

bruh

give me rating too?

[hard hound]

bad mmr

[stuck mulch]

but everyone that was over me got rating

[hard hound]

mmr is not cr

[stuck mulch]

but isnt my match value lower than avg match value? :hmm

[hard hound]

if you have shit mmr u get nothing

[stuck mulch]

yea but how do i see my mmr

without addon

[elfin surge]

[hard hound]

you cant

[stuck mulch]

[heavy basin]

bro

you

[elfin surge]

me?

[heavy basin]

what is best? arms or fury? in pvp..

[elfin surge]

F U R Y

arms turbo isnt bad tho

[heavy basin]

i am from argentina, I watch your videos!

[heavy basin]

all wow people in latin america watch your videos

❤️

[stuck mulch]

what addon is that?

[elfin surge]

[hard hound]

reflex

[heavy basin]

What is the best healer class to be your partner in arenas?

[elfin surge]

pres evoker or resto druid

[left scarab]

have we talked about this yet?

[stuck mulch]

:hmm cant find anything with that name

[heavy basin]

where did you get that?..i need link

[left scarab]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-0-5-dragonflight-development-notes-massive-class-changes-and-new-330550

[worthy fern]

@left scarab going to be big dps increase for arms but not going to help it live any more

[gritty salmon]

More damage for arms I guess?

[worthy fern]

Unfortunately

Getting 1 free talent in main tree and some new talents plus 2 free talents points in arms tree

[gritty salmon]

Blizzard should buff fury 10 % on bloodthirst

Jk jk

[hard hound]

do you use google ?

[stuck mulch]

used curse but i googled it now

[heavy basin]

mud look at this, can the arms beat the fury with this in pvp?

[hard hound]

a good arms can beat a bad fury

[heavy basin]

.

[tawny elm]

how do i upgrade the world pvp gear?

[gritty salmon]

You cant

Its already upgraded

Its 388

@tawny elm Oh you mean the infernal one?

[heavy basin]

arms very buff?

[hard hound]

if you are a rival player just play fury its more easy

[tawny elm]

@gritty salmon the drakebreakers stuff

[hard hound]

you will perf more

[gritty salmon]

You need trophy of strife

[tawny elm]

how do i get it?

[gritty salmon]

There is a quest that is given out

which you need to complete

Its in the pvp room

[elfin surge]

save trophy and conquest to buy 2 weapons next week

[gritty salmon]

It gives you 8

[tawny elm]

sparks of life?

[gritty salmon]

Yea

You get them by going to azure and doing world pvp

There is an arena next to one of the world quests the one with blue

[hard hound]

trophy wep is crit mud

[tawny elm]

sweet thanks!

[hard hound]

you will buy it anyway ?

[heavy basin]

mud did you see the new update 10.0.5? the arms buff?

[tawny elm]

did they buff the tankiness?

[elfin surge]

yeah those are for next patch, nothing official and might not be in the game for months.

[gritty salmon]

For now no buff for tankines

I think they should buff fury damage a little bit

[stuck mulch]

do you guys normally go for other dps or do u ever train healer in soloshuffle?

[elfin surge]

[gritty salmon]

If youcant peel, you go for the dps that does most damage when free

You dont want mages, spriests etc to free cast you

[elfin surge]

I'm the only war qing 2s

war sucks in 2s nobody wants to play it

[heavy basin]

I'm at 1300 rating solo, sometimes I win 3 and lose 3, and my rating goes down I don't understand.

[gritty salmon]

How many games have you played total

[heavy basin]

66

[gritty salmon]

You could be unluck and play with bad mmr

But you generally always want to win 4 games

[stuck mulch]

atm im hard stuck in 1500, but ill fight my way out

[gritty salmon]

Because theres so many other classes that are better

[heavy basin]

I'm 50/50 66 plays 33 wins

[gritty salmon]

Rogues will outpace you in every way

[gritty salmon]

Basically they judge every solo round by mmr

[vapid rover]

Depend the lvl of the rogue

[gritty salmon]

So the ones that you win, you probably face people with worse mmr

Basically you are winning the easy rounds

[elfin surge]

💀

[gritty salmon]

and not winning the harder rounds

[stuck mulch]

ive had rogues in most my games today

pshero in one of them

[gritty salmon]

@heavy basin Like

[stuck mulch]

fun life

[gritty salmon]

Each single round, has its own mmr

You can see it

You generally wish to win the ones where you have lower mmr, meaning when you are facing better players

@heavy basin Also you are playing fury?

[heavy basin]

yeah

[gritty salmon]

Can you show me your build, perhaps I can help out

[stuck mulch]

isnt everyone running muds build

[heavy basin]

BgEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKHAAAAAAAAAAIESgWCQENhIQ0IESCQSkEQSSSIJHIRIRapkkASSAAAAB

talents bajheera

[wheat crane]

most of us, but you can swap some points around

like drop roar for spear

[elfin surge]

bajheera strong warrior

[heavy basin]

yeah

[gritty salmon]

Sec kroacker

can you takea scsreen

[heavy basin]

build anhilator

[gritty salmon]

of your talent

like your tree

[tranquil raven]

does enchant quality matter in pvp or can i buy the cheapest one?

[gritty salmon]

Yes it matters

Dont buy it yet though

[tranquil raven]

ty

[gritty salmon]

Unless you have money

then go ahead

[heavy basin]

my talents

[gritty salmon]

Alright

[stuck mulch]

intervene, saved the game for me a few times

[gritty salmon]

Heres the thing with intervene

if you dont use it well, dont talent it

People dont use it well, and it can end up backfiring

@heavy basin You need fresh meat

If you are going annihilator build without enraging pvp talent

That way you can have 90 % uptime on enrage

@heavy basin If you want youc an try out the build that im using,

[stuck mulch]

send it out i wanna try :hmm

[gritty salmon]

Improved execute isnt really, worth it, you get more rage, but thats not really worth the point

You might ask, why do you need 130 rage

With the nerf to slaughterhouse, you need to keep it up quite frequently

As fury we have a big tendency to overcap

Slaughtering strikes, is only good for raging blow build, for annihilator its not worth the point

Also take bitter immunity @heavy basin Its one of the most important defensives you have

the 20% heal is good, but what makes it great is that it removes any bad effects on you, thats crucial

[brazen rock]

not any bad effects.

disease, curses, poisons.

its not a self cleanse like DI/dwarf racial.

[tribal wedge]

not the bleed, and actually bleed is the best damage from assa/feral

i would not say is as crucial as you say

[gritty salmon]

Id say its very crucial, because the disease, curses and poisons is important to get rid of sometimes

it can buy you a few seconds

[brazen rock]

its crucial yes, its an auto take imo for the heal alone

[gritty salmon]

Yea 20% is also very nice to have

20 % and and an impending victory, and thats 50 %

[ancient cedar]

What enchants are you guys running in arena?

[brazen rock]

speed enchants

str/vers wep echants

[gritty salmon]

Theres also a leech enchant

thats not that bad

[heavy basin]

❤️

Is it easy to go up to 1800 in solo?

[stuck mulch]

depends on u,

[brazen rock]

if your ques ever pop sure

[heavy basin]

What is easier 2v2, 3v3 or solo?

[stuck mulch]

depends on ur team in 2s and 3s

if ur a loner solo for sure

[gritty salmon]

Im at 1900, and I cant get up because Its 40 min per queue

And I cant bother

Also fuck rougues seriously

[elfin surge]

solo prob

if qs pop

u can climb cr fast

[gritty salmon]

Solo is easier in the sense that its pretty much a jungle

No voice communication, no meta comps

[vast haven]

@elfin surge do you think incoming arms talent tree changes will be impactful?

[elfin surge]

no

[vast haven]

Rip

[elfin surge]

tbh not rly paying much attention cuz those are for the next patch and are not official

[heavy basin]

[umbral crater]

Arms stat prio? Need a different set if switching between arms and fury right?

[patent musk]

Raging Blow build works or is just Annihilator ATM?

[sterile carbon]

WTF is with shadow priests? Seriously?

that's not a normal class

[gritty salmon]

Both are good, but annihilator is more forgiving

and more healing

[stuck mulch]

cheers for the build, feels beter when i dont have to care about intervene and i just focus on me

and the BI helped

[burnt ice]

Where can I get a good fury build at?

[ancient cedar]

I’ve seen Wafting devotion and Sophie devotion a lot. Are they any good?

[burnt ice]

Is the pinned mud build good?

[stuck mulch]

they aint bad

[stuck mulch]

its aight

[brazen rock]

[zenith maple]

[elfin surge]

<@&257983573498265600> can someone update pin with this

[iron fractal]

Do you use Rend in arms pvp?

[vapid rover]

Yeah

[zenith maple]

King

[elfin surge]

@tribal holly

[tribal holly]

[iron fractal]

Has any good build for arms pvp been released yet?

[brazen rock]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSSkQIpUSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENKhEEaSESAkEJAAAAAAAAkgkkIAA

battlelord ms spam, unhinged is stupid.

[iron fractal]

Why is unhinged stupid?

And no slam upgrades?

[zenith maple]

What do y’all think of the upcoming arms changes?

[brazen rock]

oh neat, if server dies during shuffle

it auto ends

got 5/6 rounds completed with all 5 Ws

[stuck mulch]

i made it

:pog

[fickle forge]

Nice job fam

[wheat crane]

get it homie

keep pushin

[heavy basin]

go to 1800

ouu yeah

ups...maintenance

[cursive wraith]

Hard with those 20m+ queues

[stuck mulch]

yea trying my best, actually feel myself improving aswell keeping myself alive

[worthy hedge]

Do we need to keep conquest point for the weapon on the second week ?

[brazen rock]

yes

save conq, if vault gives you 2h, take that then buy neck + armor

go buy warmode 421 wep with trophies next week also

[worthy hedge]

Alright thx o/

[silk flicker]

only 5 trophies of strife this week?

[brazen rock]

should be 8.

unless EU got cucked

[silk flicker]

ah i'm just blind my bad

[delicate fable]

Any arms war, what do you play in 3’s as a build? High crits spear or bleeds with skull?

[brazen rock]

crit/haste with spear.

[viscid horizon]

As Fury in solo shuffle is it better to just tunnel one and be a pain or constantly swap targets to keep pressure up on as many as possible

[brazen rock]

focus 1 usually.

identify who panics when focused.

sometimes a rogue will be easier to drop than a dk for instance.

[viscid horizon]

That makes sense I’ve had a few people I’ve sat on flame me for playing a brain dead class and then kill them every round

[brazen rock]

I mean its pretty braindead but w/e

its shuffle

if you take shuffle seriously

[outer elk]

fury giving me RSI haha

[sick agate]

The amount of times my teammates told me to kill the fully equipped dk vs. the squishy healer lol

[brazen rock]

up to 1600 just pick the lowest hp target and pve it down

storm bolt healer occasionally

maybe start disarming people on goes and get 1800, ez stuff.

[sick agate]

Disarm is so enraging rofl

[brazen rock]

save disarm for enraged regen on other fury wars

big tech high iq play

they will sit there wondering why they aren't healing

[sick agate]

Yeah this is my first expansion pvping so big brain moves like that aren’t even on my radar yet

[brazen rock]

can disarm DKs to stop death strike also.

[silk flicker]

what addons do you guys use? what's the diff between omnicc and omnibar

[brazen rock]

a very very modified gladius, omnicc, and thats it

[silk flicker]

oh man i forgot about gladius

[drowsy wasp]

Where do you get that very very modified gladius

[brazen rock]

by using the same gladius since it released and spending hours and hours making it work the way i want

[fickle forge]

Advance Wars? Man of culture I see

[brazen rock]

sarena is better imo

[worthy hedge]

👍

[quaint snow]

are these 3 different types for different scenarios? Could you explain a bit? Thanks

[elfin surge]

First one is roar, the one i mostly use.

Other two are spear, one picking up more utility like bitter immunity and the other playing more damage.

All are viable, just different playstyles. Just decide if you like spear or roar more.

[patent musk]

Roar cause´ im a bad kitty

[quaint snow]

uff thanks big champ!!

ill throw you a sub next time i see you live, doing gods work for us warriors

[elfin surge]

[elfin surge]

@tribal holly 😍

[tribal holly]

[wheat jay]

@tribal holly you're our pvp valkyr now

[frank knoll]

Why isn’t MUD storm forged

[brazen rock]

cuz hes a clown

[nova shuttle]

I guess there is something i dont yet understand about warrior and especially fury. As the other fury warriors i encounter usually do like a million more damage than me (even though i might usually still somehow win). Can someone explain or point me to a guide? I mean like is there stacks i need to be watching etc

[nova wadi]

ive got a general pvp question... why is the elite set not fully unlocked at 1.8k rating?

shouldnt it be?

[elfin kite]

it is

[nova wadi]

im at 1810, missing head and shoulders, everything else is unlocked

[elfin kite]

you need to win a game at that rating

[nova wadi]

ahh

that makes sense, cheers

[elfin kite]

yeah it's weird, I think because of how solo shuffle works. I hit 1807 yesterday on my dh and I had it right away. I think solo shuffle counts each round as a separate game so if you "hit" 1800 on round 5/6 and won round 6 then you'd have it

consequently if you got over 1800 mid game but then didn't win any subsequent rounds after that then you won't have the set

[cold depot]

New to PVP is there something like the weapon chain from classic that helps against disarms

[zenith marlin]

im about to push 3s with my noob Resto druid friend

im fury/arms

he isnt "noob" noob but never made it past 1.8k

he is a pve healer basically since wotlk

anyway what dps goes well with us?

[iron fractal]

Fury or arms for arena?

[zenith marlin]

Resto + Arms/Fury + 3rd

[brazen rock]

spriest

feral

dk

[zenith marlin]

ait i was thinking WW all this time

[brazen rock]

fury rn, arms is ok in 3s

ww works too

[zenith marlin]

Fury for 2s defo

[crude sentinel]

just don't 2's.

[zenith marlin]

^

[brazen rock]

also dh

really just pick a mdps out of lfg

[zenith marlin]

unless u wanna get cracked by spri/afflocks or rogues

[iron fractal]

What's wrong with 2's?

[zenith marlin]

its not fun as arms

[brazen rock]

fotm bracket

[crude sentinel]

The meta of 2's slams Warriors.

[brazen rock]

nothing but rogues locks spriests and dhs rn

[iron fractal]

Only wanna do it to cap qonquests.

[brazen rock]

play with a feral or DH and run over people or get ran over

fast games

[elfin kite]

zug zug

[iron fractal]

Only 60 qonquest from winning 2v2

[brazen rock]

then sit in solo shuffle que

or play 3s

cap only goes up 550 each week, you'll cap quick after this week.

[hollow sleet]

Cap being so low so dust

[acoustic eagle]

Last night I learned there was a cap by seeing red valor text

[pearl sierra]

what do we buy with our first 8 trophy of strifes?

[brazen rock]

nothing

save for 421 wep next week

[elfin kite]

what if we want to push this week though

[sterile ferry]

It's not like you can fall behind in gear

[elfin kite]

unless youre taking m+ gear from vault

[sterile ferry]

Some of the homies are tryna crank m+ hard.

Don't want the burnout myself honestly

[elfin kite]

i love the great vault but it really de incentivizes having a combined pve/pvp main

[stuck mulch]

Make one more warrior. Solved

[sterile ferry]

I'm iffy on the vault. Not a fan of waiting to spend the points I got rn because the mystical rng on Tues

Gimme the number go up zug

[stuck mulch]

Could be cool if u get too see what you unlocked at that slot. And that slot just upgrades in ilvl like normal

But u can just take it out at reset

[elfin kite]

checked the pins and couldn't find an answer so hopefully this isn't a repeat question - what's the prio between bloodbath whirlwind slam and bloodthirst when you're running the annihilator build?

[sterile ferry]

Depends if you spec into whirlwind

[stuck mulch]

In pvp?

[elfin kite]

into imp whirlwind?

[brazen rock]

never press whirlwind.

[stuck mulch]

In pvp we do ramp. Bb bb ramp bb bb

And so it goes on

[sterile ferry]

I used slam once when I was completely rage starved. Trying times

[stuck mulch]

Just have just w8ed for an auto pretty much the same shit

[elfin kite]

okay got it so ramp > bb >>>

seems simple enough...

[stuck mulch]

Yerp. Slam. Whirl etc isbjust... when u have literally nothing to press

[sterile ferry]

I could a just waited lol

[elfin kite]

is there any debate about taking imp whirlwind against melee cleave?

[stuck mulch]

Not that ive seen. But imbjust a 1600 andy

[elfin kite]

or for more spread pressure against at least one melee?

haven't stepped into shuffle on my war yet but on my other chars i was seeing fury put up pretty crazy numbers. hard to imagine it was pure single target

[stuck mulch]

Imo its bwter to just pressure st compared to the small cleave u will do with ww

Even in m+ ww isnt the main aoe. Its the stacks u get from ww that makesbother spells do aoe dmg

[elfin kite]

yeah of course, that's what I was referring to ha

[brazen rock]

the only reason to take imp ww was to spread slaughterhouse.

[elfin kite]

you think it's worth it in solo shuffle?

and what would you take a point out of to get it?

[brazen rock]

imp execute

maybe in shuffle yes because if someone doesn't die in the first 30seconds it turns into a dampener game

[elfin kite]

yeah that's what I was thinking

[brazen rock]

but given that you'll 9/10 be in a match with another mortal strike

making slaughterhouse entirely useless

🤷‍♂️

buff arms, hate this fucking dumb spec

[elfin surge]

[brazen rock]

1750 cr, 5 wins into a match

hyped for elite set

dude leaves now sitting in que for 40 minutes

[stuck mulch]

@brazen rock ooof. Damn

Rip brother. Inc 4 losses

[brazen rock]

yeah next one a DH fed every game and I went 4-2 and gained 10 rating

[undone pumice]

[sharp meteor]

What a quality mode.

Thanking my stars I'm not a healer going -30 for winning 4-2.

[undone pumice]

[thick reef]

And everyone wonders why the strat is to look at the mmr and just leave if it's too low

Are there any tips or guides for solo shuffle? This week is my first time doing it. Hasn't been so bad but I have this nagging feeling I'm missing something

[thick reef]

Nuke people with low HP, don't be afraid to hard swap, and most importantly, if the average mmr is too low you just leave immediately

Was nice that I 3/6 my first go given I didn't even realize it was one kill to end match

Ye didn't know if there was an etiquette or something. We'd pick a kill target but I'm just kinda wondering if hard switch is bad sport when we're struggling to bring in the kill

[wheat crane]

Its worse for healers

[thick reef]

Oh God yeah

[wheat crane]

I think theyre directly pit vs the other healer

So if the other healers 400 cr and youre 2k

[thick reef]

If you are a healer you might as well suckstart your favorite firearm of choice

[wheat crane]

And you go 5-1 i think they actually lose rating

[quasi minnow]

Is full conq better than the primal infused gear, or do we take primal for the tier then rest conq?

[thick reef]

Full conq, because tier is deactivated

I do wonder why the first match the teams kept calling on us killing the warlock

[quasi minnow]

Ohhhh then im missing something, whats the purpose of it then?

[thick reef]

Wpvp

[quasi minnow]

Ohhhhh

[thick reef]

Ganking scrubs

[quasi minnow]

I see i see

Ty

[thick reef]

Having the biggest dick of the isles

^

[elfin kite]

badge or insignia?

leaning insignia bc no 1mins to bind to

[thick reef]

I use insignia personally

Can really wave it around while your gank squad picks off solo players

[thick reef]

Gank Squad

Imagine not walking into 1v3s and walking out

I can take on two sometimes but wew on 3

[elfin kite]

ty

[thick reef]

Now I prot when in war mode and people just walk past me

[elfin kite]

is the icyveins stat prio of vers > haste >mastery = crit accurate?

[slim knoll]

arms better in pvp now?

also is there like a target list for arena? I never know who to go on

[thick reef]

Yes, now that nothing has changed, arms is better

[thick reef]

Crit > Mastery, because CSHB tbh

[onyx vale]

well one thing changed, fury's ms became trash

but that's not big deal since every class in the game has a ms

[elfin kite]

copy

[onyx vale]

hey I'm a warrior and looking for a class with ms to do pvp

[thick reef]

What is the weakness of arms that keeps it unplayable

Has that weakness been addressed

[thick reef]

Bajheera was getting Slaughterhouse to refresh, but he needed another Warrior iirc

[brazen rock]

hotfixed

[thick reef]

FUCKING BLIZZARD

[brazen rock]

squishy

[thick reef]

I look at you and you stare at Spirit Healer-chan

[elfin surge]

[thick reef]

So untill that squish problem is touched, arms remains unviable

[elfin kite]

but still haste >> ya?

[thick reef]

Arms isn't fixed
Talents are pinned
Watch streamers
No your tusks of mannaroth and warfront/maghar heritage transmog isn't cool or original

[covert abyss]

relax

[onyx vale]

the tusks are the coolest shoulders in the game, relax bro

too bad i don't have them

[elfin kite]

change your disc name immediately

[onyx vale]

i can't change my name in this discord

a mod changed it cuz i'm a cool kid

[elfin kite]

🧢

[velvet grail]

Do we have any idea why the rated solo shuffle queues are so long ? Like are so few people signing up for it :P?

[onyx vale]

solo shuffle is pure torture for healers, so they don't tag

and you don't have healers so you don't tag

[steep inlet]

There is 1000 dps for 20 healers

[sharp meteor]

It's just a fucked up ratio of meathead dps to healers.

[thick reef]

Healers have always been rare but pvp is secondary so they don't want to think of ways to address it

[brazen rock]

solo shuffle is just a bad experience for healers.

9/10 games are pure zug fests

[thick reef]

Don't get why they don't just allow DPS vs DPS. Maybe make those needing a full team kill

[brazen rock]

no peeling

[elfin kite]

just pump them full of gold for queueing to the point that it's a competitive gold farm for them

[sharp meteor]

That'll pollute low mmr with bots.

[elfin kite]

ohh I like that idea a lot

[thick reef]

Healers are mad at a lack of bananas?

[sharp meteor]

Because it'd be shit.

[sharp meteor]

No, it's because generally healers have good and/or fun people to play with.

Whereas the denizens of shuffle are the friendless dregs of the pvp community.

[elfin kite]

is... that the worst though? the non bots can at least get out of low mmr

[brazen rock]

the solution is dont play shuffle

que when your doing other things

enjoy 1 game every half hour that ends in a leaver

[elfin surge]

T R U E

[elfin kite]

you just have to dissociate from the queue or lose your sanity when someone leaves after winning 5

[ruby mortar]

I have not fought an Arcane mage in a hot minute, but is there something I am missing or are they just not catchable?

[thick reef]

I have pvp friends we just have differing schedules so can't pvp as often as we like.

Adulthood, weeeeee

[thick reef]

This is what I was doing. Queing doing dailies and gathering

[covert abyss]

ayo arms is kind of sick in solo shuffle lol

[zenith marlin]

i alt f4 when I see an arcane mage

[wheat crane]

How much is a full set of honor gear?

[slim knoll]

is DH damage better than fury rn? I'm getting smoked in shuffle by them

[wheat crane]

Is it over the cap?

[zenith marlin]

its like 10k

idk

but nothing basically

[near delta]

You need to zugg harder

[zenith marlin]

id say it is actually 16k

probs good estimate

[near delta]

Also try to bait blur without using cds

[wheat crane]

Yea im leveling my alt in bgs i should probably stop when i have enough

[zenith marlin]

at most

[near delta]

A lot of dhs will blur a slight breeze

[wheat crane]

Its pretty slow actually leveling lol

But you need the honor

[jaunty niche]

How’s Prot pvp for BGs and Open? Is it better survavibility or should not bother and play Fury?

[zenith marlin]

prot is there to annoy ppl

not kil lthem

xd

[slim knoll]

smoked on dps meter I mean. Maybe they just have way more mobility to stay on target idk. Maybve I use my charge and leap too often

[compact heron]

What about stun/disarm/fear on them? I usually try and use it while they are meta but am I doing it wrong

[near delta]

I did that. It's a lot better than getting rekt in bgs once you hit 70

[wheat crane]

Yea

[near delta]

Imo fear their blur so they can't be offensive while you can't pressure