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How
Bully your pve lads
explains to me now american
LMAO
oh my god
are you serious?
Time to grind it
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
LMAO
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
lmao
inb4 its NA bug
How do you get trophy of strife again
@elfin surge buy full set while you can
it will be fixed
can you put it on auction house @elfin surge
idk how to record
Euro moment
people are saying they are 150k each
LMAO
holy shit
KEK
quick buck LMAO
Where do you get trophy?
EZ BUCK
dog class
ok i stop
Where I get trophy
its 100% a bug
Tf the trophy is tradeable
we still chad
no way its allowed
Dekel already has full token gear
Dear God
it's like mongoose bite buff, you rampage once and the debuff starts at 9 seconds, then you rampage again and it doesn't get refreshed, even if you rampage right at the end of 9 seconds, the debuff will completely fall off
BRO WAT
Dekel lmao
8 TROPHY ????????????
isnt he still full on wrath copium
Where you get that quest at
Ez shekels
How many can 1 character get?
assuming to the quest 8 ?
Bruh
@elfin surge the quest working in arena? or only wpvp ?
no way its supposed to be tradable
How do I get that quest?
its literally like 421 ilv in arena higher than everything
respect it
so yea...
terrible things if it's intended
How many alts do you need? And yeah, they'll fix it, but they wont take the gear away.. so you'll have people in full 421 day 1.
God I want to log on
it will be fixed in 24H
Ans sell my strife for 200k
AND IM BANNED I CANT ABUSE IT
Slaughterhouse completely dropping off is awful. Arms chads rise up?
Man blizzard is on a roll of fucking up rn
how do they even revert this lmao
No chance this isn't a bug
How do you get sparks of life anyway?>
Slaughterhouse is falling off? Wackkkkk
how do I get sparks for that quest
I'm EU I bet it will be fixed by reset 😭
quest isnt here yet is it
in pvp area
u mean bloody tokens?
Won't be out in EU untill reset tomorrow
no idea
rogues literally one shot warriors tho
Let me know if you figure it out
just bring back 3.3.5 warrior
you can farm in azure
Anyone tried any skirmies out yet with new change ?
worth trying to farm these trophies on alts to funnel?
as of now yes
how did you complete 200 kills?
Finally we can convert PvP to GOLD?
Buddy I got tour of duty on 3 days within release
just slay rando lvl 67s
game so alt freidnly there is a constant supplt
I usually do flypath tours
land kill anyone around u that's AFK fly again
anyone know how to get trophy of strife?
did you farm it in azure span?
I am farming in Azure
what's this abt trophies?
lmao
lol
you sell yours?
actual joke
im not homeee
im half way done witht he quest
cant wait to fight full 421 geared retards at 1k cr
10 ilvls is nothing
it is mate
what, 10 ilvl is huge
guys is the cancel bladestorm macro removed or is mine just not working
how does a car payment increase?
Ill take 1m gold over 10ilvls
Swaping the lease
you cant cancel if you talent huricane
oooh
Technically i guess its just trade in + new lease
What are upu smoking
compared to 1m?
you gonna toss gold against foe ?
U don't have 3 toons with gold cap?
I made all my gold off coaching mud
where is the quest I can't see it
in pvp area from tuskarr guy
ty
oh my god
i got a game with 2 prot paladins for healers
after 20 min que
LMAO
RIP you
Any thoughts on fury solo shuffle viability?
S Tier
For real though
I'm doing well so far.. used to Arms but this isnt so bad.
Trying to debate between fury or havoc, thinking about imprison / pulling rogues out of stealth, but thinking fury has good burst, commanding shout, SR, etc
please for the love of god do not que prot pala
I don't get insta-wrecked when I get focused.. I'm able to apply steady pressure.. winning 3, 4 or 5 rounds usually.
At work, what's this about trophies of strife? How do you get them?
weekly quest and/or gold
Sick
when does the season start today?
was referring to prot paladin players hehe
i think havoc is still the best melee this season tbh
In the 3 rounds I played with them, Havoc seemed the squishiest.. but I'm also not playing at glad level.
My raid has 4 Dh s…. Bleh
Actually, DK seemed pretty squish too.
I’m dual purposing raid and PvP on the side
Not sure how to play against SP. They seem pretty godly. I know to kill shadowfiend. Any tips?
DK is strong idk why everyone thinks it sucks
F tier
Having the same problem in bg s
ya trophy of strife are tradable on AH holy moly
How do you get trophy of strife?
Quest, it's just 200 kills in WM
roll over and die
Does the request require player kills or is there other methods
SP overtuned as shit
arms/sp/rdruid is literally free rating
abuse it while you can
Anything
PRAISE
I'm getting spark of life from every WQ I finish
im at 150/200
join a raid group 124/200 on a second char
any wq?
Yeah any WQ
My server is dominated by alliance in wpvpn so happy for this
Likewise.. they just grief camp the GY and you get perma farmed.
im GY camping lmao
Wpvp is a disgrace. Needs some kind of factional tweeking
hhahahahahaha
i main prot and went into pvp, debating going fury for it and i literally just need weapons now. so do i go fury or buy shield and 1h n stick with prot?
Yeah seems super fun.
Do younonly gets sparks in war mode or do you get it toggled off too?
its a warmode quest bruv
And this is blizz
I mean do you want to PvP or do you want to troll the sad souls who get queued with you?
where u get the quest?
prot does ok damage tbf and its fun, but yeah thats what i kinda figured, so fury then?
Big words from someone who only.commits to a fight when they outnumber
🤣
i shoulda lvled more toons to 70 fuuuuk
Kill them all or die like a bitch
not sure if this got asked yet but does great vault give conq 2h weap?
My buddy sold one trophy for 75k
Yea it's rng
The majority of my wpvp fights are either 3+ slamming into me from above, or them running back to their group the moment I fight
45k now
What can you get with one token anyway?
Well fug by the time I get home they'll be to low to bother selling
This sucks doesn't this mean people will be geared up quickly, and those who missed out on this are fucked?
Yes.
shards always contains same number of people. Example : 200 horde and 200 allies. If there is much horde, they are placed in a overflow shard
if you see more horde, it's that allies are not regrouped enough
but they are here on the map
Only early season, though, which doesn't matter.
hello, what weapon enchants should I get as fury right now please? 🙂
Maybe not always true, Troma. Only 28 horde in my current zone. And over 100 alliance.
Cool. Absolute bullshit. But cool. Alliance always outnumber on mine. It's well known.
its just your horde are not regrouped enough
Ish. if the price keeps falling then you can easily scoop them up. Just means your behind if you haven't been farming bloody coins
I mean, you can do a /who and see.
It's 10 ilvls
Not a huge deal
wait how do u get a spark?
Big deal tho
not dropping from players
Very big deal
It's dumb as shir
are all the PVE kids going to flood the market?
Oh yeah
if so price might not be too bad
Your describing how it's meant to work. Not how it actually works. Alliance genuinly outnumber horde on my server group for wpvp. Because it's not based on wpvp population. It's based on overall population. Alliance are 1/3 the games population. Gives them an enlistment bonus. Means more go war mode. Which causes more horde to not
Trophies are 150k on my server
10 ilvl this early in the season is a very big deal.. they cap conquest to avoid this.
if there are more allies than horde on a shard
they are placed in a overflow shard
without horde versus them
Sell it
quickest way to get bloody tokens?
any difference from the nerf? or is it pure shit now
I'm gold capped idgaf
You can say it all you want. Alliance outnumber horde on my server group for war mode. It's fact. As dei said, it's easily verified by checking zone population.
huh
Maybe, but it's not always applied. Or maybe the shards include 20 zones, in which case... population concentrations can be irrelevant.
Nice. You did a shit job then. Because the population imbalance is very well known
clueless
There are 32 horde in the current Primalist Future I'm in... there are literally more than 32 alliance standing in front of me. Principle? Maybe. Practice? Nope.
It's been like this for 25 minutes.
If the shard auto-balancing doesn't account for this, then it's not working well.
As I said. I get the intent and how it's meant to work.
It clearly isn't working as it's meant to.
Bro, this zone is the size of a postage stamp. If horde are hiding somewhere, they're REALLY good.
Shieeeeet
How is fury’s ms playing now that it’s live
The imbalance of horde and alliance in war mode has been a known problem for a long ass time.
Haven't done enough SS to see completely but it's noticeable when kill securing.
i didnt work on the engineering side but i helped blizzard to get rid of warmode imbalance items in bfa and i had the details of how it works
It was a problem early on a became even more of a problem with time as more and more.horde opted out of it due to the constant ganking from there simply being always more alliance everywhere
Worse still as alliance and horde overall population became even more lopsided causing a constant enlistment bonus for alliance who were now promised to always win
It's bugged and not applying randomly
Basically a dead talent rn
kekw
wtf
Heh, remember the maw on reset day? Basically impossible to play in war mode as horde.
Nah war sp or war feral
I forgot feral has a ms now
It's been a problem for the entire lifespan of warmode and it's weird seeing someone deny it. Like, trust me bro, this well documented, easily experienced and seen, many years old problem isn't really a problem
I feel like that was always an issue before war mode too, though to be honest
Horde skirrd
i explained you how it works, your feelings are different of the engineering behind
I still war mode for those incredibly rare occurrences where I'm at a location that I'm not outnumbered 4 to 1
And I'm saying that it doesn't work as intended and needs to be looked at. A system can certainly be faulty
sure
but listen
in EU it's horde with more numbers. Allies were telling me they are outnumbered etc
i gathered all the maps possible in stream
people flocked
Never queued first day of the season before but holy fuck this is nuts
and we matched horde numbers
Trophy already hotfixed
already ? ggs blizz
Good tbh.
made 350k total off mine bc i was impatient and finals hitting
Well, side content
it's fixed
Really?
los said
damn i shouldve bought
did they say they are going to fix it? if so ima just ape rn
urg
I have seen no evidence that blizzard even knows about this.
Where'd you see that?
xaryu stream
They're still for sale on my shard, but maybe can't be listed anymore.
Err, they're still being listed.. went from 15 to 40.
Someone just bought them all to double the price.
Small indie dev
I'm not trying it.
yeah i just rebought 2 and they're expiring instantly
Wish they would take them away from people. But I guess that would be unfair since it was Blizz's fuckup. Oh well, the rich and early profit.
They'd need to both take them and the gear awsy
Yeah, probably can't do that.
If they don't roll back gear the season is fucked
Still will suck to see a fully geared dude with my 1750 conquest.
They won't rollback gear for pvp
Yeah no chance.
they changed it
At best they'll decrease the pvp ilvl
cool being able to cash in 10 minutes before a fix rolls out
Or cap it weekly which they should do anyway
eeyup
bruh
It's pretty much capped weekly isnt it?
someone explain the trophy thing
Or is this quest repeatable?
just got off work
Not if people bought gear with those no
i rly doubt ppl get all gear since you have to get all the blue one before
Wont it all even out eventually with gear by mid season?
the elite WM trophies were tradeable. So people were farming on alts and selling them.
upgrade tokens for warmode gear that are also buyable
people did quest "kill 200" in raid groups, got 8 trophy items
Fixed?
those trophy items were sold on AH for 100k
Took them long enough lmao
nah looks like someone just relisted
I mean I have half a set of blue ones with enough bloody coins to buy the other half
Blizzard forgot to make it bop
They're still being listed on my shard. Whether you can buy them or not is another story.
They're 177k now, with 70 inventory.
Because its pvp and they forget pvp stuff often
what ilvl can the warmode gear get to? it can't be 424
421
was gonna say it's close
i mean that's pretty fat for the time being yknow
crafted too
Ye tru
Going against a 421 SP in 411-412 gear is gonna be straight fucked.
But ye they should do a weekly ilvl cap for pvp line I. Wod
imagine having gold cap and now you're in full 421 with two 424 pieces
Yep, like 30-40k hp diff
How many trophies for, say, gloves?
"Sorry, we really fucked up and gave some wealthy players and early adopters a HUGE advantage on day 1 of the season due to an exploit. Anyway..... back to raid."
well PvE had the issue with rares dropping loot every time you kill instead of daily
Well, ye
It does seem that most shards didn't have too many if these go up. How.naby do you need for gear?
I mean yeah for the most part it's instanced content
Tons
14 for twohander
So honestly, we're looking at what, a few dozen people total who may have geared up heavily from this
Many of them likely raiders getting gear
Ahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahah
race to world first
no every raider is getting warmode gear
anyone know the addon that changes ur font to look like wotlk font
sponsored by pvp andies
What's the pve ilvl for the updated pvp gear?
And easy glad
why does icy veins guide say fury has war banner and duel
While the rest stays at dog ilvl
who copy-pasted and forgot
10 ilvls is easy glad?
at least EU won't have 421 ilvl andies
looks like warmode gear has a flat Ilvl, no scaling like the honor or conquest gear so i could definitely see RWF having this gear on them if they got it fully upgraded WM gear scales to 421 in PvP only not instanced PvE.
It's 385, it's useless
Maybe blizz will be cool and make the epic war mode gear be 411 pvp ilvl
how important is ilvl of offhand?
Solves all problems that does
i have no body to play with im afraid of 20 min q solo shuffle
maybe it's better to not buy 421 ilvl twohander now because it will go to offhand once we buy conquest weapon
Dont buy weapon from this
If you get weapon from vault next week, you're a big winner
If you dont, buy for conq
but two weapons is not as good as weapon+armor?
Use trophies for normal gear
I mean
Youll have all the gear in a couple weeks anyway
Whatever
Not like ten ilvs is gonna stop the 1400 lirds from getting stunned behind a pillar and nuked
Every garbage can player gets the same ilvl as R1 as it should be
As long as im not getting 2 shot in a cheap shot through enraged regen whatever at this point
He also never washed his chicken
Very disturbing
you're not supposed to
What conq piece you guys gettng first
CDC said so
"Guys why is my roasted chicken slimy!"
and what are you spending trophies on
Wash your fucking chicken bro
Fucking animal
Gotta wash the chicken
How can you not wash your chicken
Jesus christ
dead ass dont wash your chicken
Yo do you guys know of any high rank fury streamers?
Gtfo
American chicken barely passes as chicken. Grim chlorinated meat
Good thing i'm eu
He literally put an expired full chicken in the oven without washing or seasoning it
well there's your problem
washing ?
Yes
Eu beef and chicken taste better
Yes wash
The entire evening in warr chat was some of the funniest fucking shit ive ever seen
Play by play train wreck
Who doesnt wash the fucking chicken?
Pro players
Troma shut up you eat frogs and snails
Prot
people who dont want to spread salmonella around their kitchen you fucking weirdo
Washing chicken is gross and weird. Might as well spray salmonella all over your kitchen
The only reason not to rinse off your chicken is to prevent the spread of bacteria to your countertop
Raw chicken is ready to cook. It doesn’t need to be washed first. According to a USDA study, 1 in 7 people who cleaned their sink after washing chicken still had germs in the sink.
But dont be a fucking animal and wash your counter after
straight from the CDC just like that vaccine
i hate thoses shits
its just cliché
back to woyer talk quick before the mods actually read
Doesnt matter, the joke is still there xD
y
nothing can get worse than trade chat ingame
You an i arent because were civilized
We're the lifting/lifestyle channel
Anyway strife trophies are BoP now
lmfao
glad we could help
In US they removed the vendor that sells the gear too, presumably to stop people using it
Buys them time I guess
How people finding the two specs?
Wish I didn't have finals
furry better
for real
GUYZ @elfin surge IS STREAMING
Inb4 they make new id for currency so old one is useless xD
my partner just got hit for 105k lightning bolt from a healer sham kekw
sham sleeper
SEE
WHAT
So can we still sell trophies?
guess im rerolling a healer
No
They already got it patched huh
because theres 0 fucking chance im waiting 20 min for qs
Lmao just play normal queues
Like a proper human
How do you say hellscream in french?
true
Hurlenfer
i was looking forward to not speaking to other human beings tho
Lmao that white flag xD
bordel
Brothel?
too frappe mortelle to understand
Ye that's too french
haha love it
dark iron chad
notice how all the human chads became dark iron chads when they got nerfed
i wonder what will be the next chad race when dark iron gets nerfed
gnome chads?
ye lol
Lmao
just like prepatch
Gonna do it the second i log on tomorrow hahaha
giga powerful
im going straight for elite solo before it gets nerfed
Boutta get 2400 in 3 games
how much rating gain for 6 wins?
every1 with 2700 rating
fury is really gross in solo im just casually climbing
Why the FUCK can rogues heal
yeah idk
where the f is this quest anywhere for teh strife shit
in stealth
that needs to get nerfed to zero
At what h eu server are open please ?
I bet they roll back this trophy shit
100%
People in full set of it now stomping in arenas. Ye it's only a bit of ilvl, but it's still not a level playing field, in the first fucking season
what do i do if the proven in skirmishes quest giver disappears?
Fucking rogues are going to S-Tier CANCER
ye itll get a rollback
pls tell here if they rollback
not for me, the person who gave it has disappeared
0 votes and 22 comments so far on Reddit
i'm off 
Oh is shuffle rating as free as it was in prepatch
They are.
nerf rogue
Pieces should be getting removed right now.
they already did?
In the process of.
So they are rolling back all the gear from the trophies?
Yep.
Thank god
wad the fug
Yex
This guy doesn’t want people to win
and damage would be meh at best, skullsplitter burst
Solo super sweaty rn…but only played two games
So, fury still good for pvp after nerfs btw ?
Kinda bursting in sorry, but haven't been able to check
Was curious
yes fury is good
dayum son
fkn 175k UA dispel
LMFAO
lmao day 1
wonder if people are just gonna leave if they don't go 6/6 from 0cr
Just kick ua 4head
Where did you read that?
can u get elite transmog from solo q?
Yes.
The only thing Shuffle won't have is gladiator and named gladiator.
anyone know what is the neck to build with your spark for arena?
boots?
let's go
is the boots made thro blacksmith?
yeah
cool cool
Probably trashes ur mmr tho
did they remove tanks from solo shuffle?
idk but they are nerfed
but like like why would i queue as tank when the queue time is the same as queuing for dps?
Guardian Druid in PVP got hit with the nerfbat so hard it looked like Nicky at the end of Casino
tanks were scary the last few weeks
Guardians could burst harder than most melee until today
When u guys say devo
Wait no
Frozen
We talking devotion for the vers ?
Djzjwos
No
Devotion for damage ?
Or writ for verse
Nah, a drink and two shots
Just got a video on the background, brain no good
So uh
Writ or Devo was what I was wondering
fury brained
Yeah
back to pve now
u got it?
yes
wtf how
1800 in 3s
fury?
yeah its better
arms still feels super garbage ngl
burst during spear is very real but outside of that...
do u still use slaughterhouse?
Lmfao
Fuck this game
Second q blew up a hunter in a atun
He leaves
1 hour in qs
30 sec in game
nope
what do u use
mainly bloodrage warbringer and either disarm or enduring rage
Solo shuffle: muds build or icy with spear?
so remember how i said the MS effect resets and yall argued it doesnt?
How are you 1800
yea guess i was right huh
Ive been on like 2 hours and played 4 rounds
Oh nm
Any build changes for fury cause of the changes?
Vers>Crit>Haste>Mastery
the stats priority is fury > arms
Hi I want to make a warrior alt to pvp with, is Orc really a must?
What you guys think about Goblin, the racial jump seems good
play what you want
They have kinda "nerfed" the orc racial by implementing two pvp trinket get 15% stun dr
orcs have 20
so racial dont matter no more, unless ur human
lol
lmao
at least we're away from passive stun reduction orc being bis for every race
With orc you'll still be in stuns less long though
orc racial is worth 1 gcd for rogue
ye u gain 5 percent more for being orc
so its still the best
its the best but only by a margin
what im saying is ur not forced to play orc solely based on 15% stun reduction anymore
every other class discord have santa stuff on them warrior keep
face
just a gigantic sword
we're zug zug 😄
Dark iron racial is cracked
At least with a lot of the current popular builds scampering around
Also gets rid of curse magic and disease also in pretty sure
dh discord is on nutshell
ok what is the stats for fury warriors or any talent build for some 1 who is just starting wow in general ? 😛
I assume u mean for pvp, then id recommend the annihilator st build
can send u link if u need
There are multiple guides pinned in the various channels , @fickle forge also updated his guides recently for pvp
In the pins for this channel
Why?
Shadow Priest LOL
any good WW streamer ?
good bait

almost got me
Venruki, Banwell, Chunli, zugzogTV
Venruki online rn doing rated 3s with Mes
walking dead
I did solo shuffle as arms. got absolutely railed into the dirt. feelsbadman. Fury felt better in solo with my limited experience
Fury seems much better and arena representation reflects that as well
who does fury pair best with for 2's?
ehh is the play so save up for weaps? i like taking the chance that it rolls in my stash sometimes
lol
has anyone been watching mud
game feels like Shadowlands on steroids
damage is through the roof
yeah
i did mostly 2's all night and got housed on once i hit 1750
Assasin druid teams just make me cry
frost mage resto voker too
ugggggh
so fury is still the play for pvp even after nerf?
you guys still run slaughterhouse?
yes, no
what are yall running instead of slaughterhouse now?
wait people arent running slaughterhouse?
whats the mover for conquest with the cap
1350 + 550/week
well since its bugging out a fair bit and not applying any stacks at all sometimes
yeah im not running it
Weapon on reset if you don't get from vault
we get 8 trophy and think weapons are 14? so using warmode offhand if playing fury def better than buying 2x conquest weapons back to back
ohh yeah i forgot to include the trophys as well
yeah this is the play imo
how do you earn trophies?
warcrates, WQs, dirt piles, kill players
warcrates actually give trophies or talking about the sparks for the quest?
because you're playing a pvp game with hard set roles
where 90% of the population plays dps and not healer
just the reality of what solo que meant in this game
What are the best things you can counter with bitter immunity guyes ?
Wanna make a wa
like nothing
mind games, or just shake off some dots on a go
err not mind games
lol
it doesnt clear magic
holy shit that ability is so ass
should i wait to get weapons next week with conquest or should i start buying gear right now?
its useful vs poison, thats it
wait for weapon
if you get in vault, get armor and buy warmode wep with trophies
424 MH and 421 OH is fine
Even vs lock no interest to take bitter immunity ?
I mean 3min cooldown to remove an amp curse on your damage every few goes maybe
not huge
So
it used to remove bleeds
Conq gear
it doesn't anymore
Is 14 ilvl upgrade?
rogue vendetta is now deathmark, just makes more bleeds
13*
yes?
And thats it
yes.
oh sorry did you want a gear treadmill?
Pretty good
13ilvls across the board is big.
Ye but its not gamebreaking
and good it isnt.
Get 2 weps, full honor gear rest probs enough to hit glad with ease
did they remove the vendor to upgrade the blood token pvp gear?
Seems pretty alt friendly as well
Just get full honor gear n u good to go
Gonna run out of things to do if you only do pvp 1 character
A full conquest geared player will shit on a full honor geared player atm, you get like 60-70k+ hp depending on spec from full conquest as well
and as far as I know they haven't removed the armor benefits they added in SL
where you gain considerably more from the armor gains
yes, roll backs
Assuming equal skill sure
But skill is never equal
So just roll up in honor gear and start rating farming insta
No need to gear first
How are we atttaining the 421 offhand? Don’t we get capped at 9 trophies in the box?
I mean not like you have the option to get full conquest gear right now so yeah
everyone is farming in honor gear
next week.
but if you were to roll a fresh 411 alt at the end of the season, expect to get rolled by people of less skill still
So gearingwise
So will I need to buy trophies?
Rating only matters for non pvp content
...
Kinda wild
you do another quest next week
Yeah fuck
for more trophies..
What quests are giving em? The weekly?
yes...
I see. Thanks for info
God solo que is a hot mess
legitimately, yeah
Kept getting grouped into ratings where people were still 0 and I get like 2 + rating for getting 3-4 wins
Then suddenly drop 50 ratings from said stuff if it's a healer that dies a lot or another squishy
I actually want to drop rating.. queue times are insane atm. But I'm not waiting 30 mins just to leave to drop rating.
Well you’ve definitely gotta play like everyone is a moron because most of them are
Lots of hunters in these streets
mw bubble cd is really short now
1162 bloody tokens... the flag will be mine
this funeral pall has unnecessarily high BM potential
does slaughterhouse just like not work sometimes
or is it my addon
and if its bugged what are you guys using instead currently?
its not bugged its just bad
yes
@elfin surge what happened to petkick mann he got smoked by ur alt warr
dracthyr nerf coming when?
so much utility and big dam
i've been playing solo shuffle all day
the best sabertooth is now officially horde https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827522497414824017/1052449990951321620/image.png
cant win against dracthyr

thats sick
meanwhile the alliance one looks like a hyena
any alt healers? healing into spriest/assass is more stressful than any other comp



