pvp

[brazen rock]

str/vers procs

maybe frozen devotion

[hard hound]

https://youtu.be/kGTz0iKjXbY

Is venruki a good pvp player ?

[sharp meteor]

Yes, that's removed.

[hard hound]

Or he is like supa

[brazen rock]

i mean hes won blizzcon

but tierlists are still stupid

[sharp meteor]

Tier lists in general just aren't very useful.

[brazen rock]

hes also refused to go on a hike with me so hes a dumbyhead (we live in the same city)

[zenith marlin]

not enough data to do tierlists at this point also no?

[brazen rock]

yeah there isnt

and he says that in the beginning

"just his perception watching wargames"

[zenith marlin]

i see

[brazen rock]

i trust his dumbyhead opinion but still affirm tierlists are dumb

[sharp meteor]

Tier lists feel like the icyveins tldr where it can give you like a super rudimentary glance

[brazen rock]

puts fury in A so you can rest easy lul

[sharp meteor]

I mean even if slaughterhouse was deleted fury would be decent/good

[brazen rock]

absolutely

[sharp meteor]

it'd just have fewer things to play with

[brazen rock]

just play with another MS class

its a mdps that sticks, with self sustain and endless damage

and a perm 10% wall

[gritty salmon]

Hes good

[hard hound]

👍🏻

[gritty salmon]

And ngl that tier list is good

But I disagree with

FDK

I think it should be C

[onyx vale]

what does endless damage mean

[gritty salmon]

and monk should be A

[onyx vale]

is there any dps that stops dpsing after their burst

or maybe you think fury sustained dps is super high

[gritty salmon]

Fury sustain dps is very high

And it has good self healing

Fury has always had good sustain dps

The reason why it was shit was because it was a glass cannon

Extremely easy to kill off, now they arent thats why they are good

[muted surge]

What am I missing about evoker?

[onyx vale]

no its not

fury used to be a sustained class

[muted surge]

Good cc, good dmg

[onyx vale]

now its a burst class

[muted surge]

Off healing

[gritty salmon]

It is both sustain and burst

[brazen rock]

evoker offhealing is meh

its dmg is just a gimmick

[muted surge]

Yea but they do have some

[brazen rock]

its very meh

[gritty salmon]

@onyx vale Its sustain burst in the sense that its not a one shot class, but more so very strong in sustaining great damage

[brazen rock]

evoker is basically half a class rn

well, devoker

prevoker is lmao broken

and btw reflecting shattering star gives you the 20% dmg buff

[onyx vale]

sustained burst doesnt exist

[gritty salmon]

devoker are very very clunky

[gritty salmon]

It does

[onyx vale]

no its contradictory

[zenith marlin]

feel like evokers get slapped cuz they dont grasp the class yet

[brazen rock]

go play one

[gritty salmon]

No it isnt, because fury does have sustain and good burst, it just doesnt have one shot abilities

[brazen rock]

the toolkit for devoker is nonexistant

[onyx vale]

no, stop

please

[zenith marlin]

i meant evoker players get slapped in pvp

[brazen rock]

it was a pre-patch meme and now its garbage

[brazen rock]

a good prevoker is borderline unkillable

[muted surge]

How does that make sense lol

Then the sustain is just high

[gritty salmon]

Because you do get a lot of burst once you are in recklessness, avatar and then odyns fury

[zenith marlin]

yo bfa WQs still give 200-300g lol

[gritty salmon]

You do a lot of burst within that round

[muted surge]

But how’s it sustained?

[gritty salmon]

When you are outside of that, you still sustain a lot of damage

[muted surge]

On my enh I burst every min, is that sustained?

[gritty salmon]

Because of bloodbath and enrage

[muted surge]

That’s still not susained burst?

[gritty salmon]

Because some classes excell at 2 minute goes, and outside that they are garbage

Dk is an example

Fury is not that

Paladin is that

Fury is not

[onyx vale]

so you would say that dk

has less sustained damage

than fury

[gritty salmon]

Absolutely

I literally main a fdk

Im not saying 99 %

Im saying 100 % yes

[onyx vale]

[gritty salmon]

Outside pillar of frost and abom limb go

They are garbage

Please try a fdk

The reason why they were OP going into this patch, was because they had massive tankiness

That was nerfed, so they have to kite until they are ready to go

[muted surge]

Is fdk burst higher than furries?

[full quiver]

Yeah so you could stay in and get short pillars

[gritty salmon]

You could

Not anymore

[full quiver]

Now it's same run away and everyone has trinket back for go

Yeah lol

[gritty salmon]

Pretty much

The tankiness was what made fdk A+ even S if done right

[full quiver]

I got hit for 71k thunder fist and 67k rsk

My DS hit for 22k

[elder flint]

which trinket should i buy guys

[full quiver]

🤣

[tawny river]

survival is definitely not B tier either, and destro not C

[gritty salmon]

If you meet a dk, always go for the dk first

[copper hare]

hit for 250 thunderfist on beta

that was nice

250k

[gritty salmon]

I think destro is heavily under teh shadow of aff lock for now

[iron fractal]

How useful is Second wind for bgs?

[gritty salmon]

Shadow priests are gods right now

Though I heavily disagree with his take on monk

I think they will be a superb class, under the radar

[full quiver]

Lol

[tawny river]

yeah true, also feral is god tier probably, it will dodge every nerf imho

[full quiver]

I'd get a nice 25k ds off that

😎

Thx bliz

[copper hare]

they should've nerfed spellwarding imo

[gritty salmon]

The nerf on dk was way to much, blizzard doing 50 % nerfs like that is literally something they said they would avoid

[tawny river]

he is right with monk, telegraphed burst + most paper melee

[gritty salmon]

They nerfed DK self healing with 60 %

[muted surge]

Nah fuck dk

[gritty salmon]

Why xd

[muted surge]

Why not

They betrayed arthas

[gritty salmon]

Arthas was a frost dk

[tawny river]

DK, DH, fury after healing nerfs will still outheal my WW

without pressing actual healing spells

[gritty salmon]

The thing is fury barely got nerfed on their heals

The MS was the nerf

Our general healing will prolly go down 10 - 15 %

DH got massive nerf

[hard vector]

what enchant do you go for wepon that dont cost a kidny 😄

[muted surge]

Fallen crusader

[brazen rock]

vers/str rank 1

[radiant patio]

are kul tiran racials better for fury pvp?

[brazen rock]

better than what?

[opal stone]

Any comps you guys are excited to try out on season launch?

[onyx vale]

rmp

[copper hare]

Double arms

[onyx vale]

just watching the rogue one shot every spec in the game

[fickle forge]

KFC

[copper hare]

Are you more into wings or chicken tenders

[formal creek]

does the rank of the materials matter for the crafted boots?

[copper hare]

If you don't equip them in pve and 382 is enough for you then no

[thick reef]

Batman cleave (rog is brokn)

[low sparrow]

is fury still A tier?

[brazen rock]

yes

[sharp meteor]

No for pvp, no. It'll affect pve ilev, though.

But I don't think many will want to use cc boots in pve, at least not long-term.

[crude bane]

kitty cleave every day or WLD

also rerolling rogue and WW

[spice hornet]

zzzz i dont like the rend/skullsplitter interaction where it consumes rend, feel like im playing wotlk classic where im constanly putting rend up

[crude bane]

nice since rend build is bad

[spice hornet]

good

i was trying it since rio was playing it

[formal creek]

thanks. what's the ilvl range for pve if you know?

[spice hornet]

what arms build have you been using?

[crude bane]

unhinged giga chad build

[wheat crane]

Bold move, cotton.

[crude bane]

i alsop play demon hunter build

[wheat crane]

Tenders

@spice hornet can you change ypur damn tb12 pic

[low sparrow]

so do we think demo fury will be a comp now and we just dont run our ms?

[wheat crane]

I like you as a person and a friend

[spice hornet]

Why u no like

LOL

[verbal wren]

quick stat prio for arms warrior
Versa>Crit>Haste>Mastery?
Not sure which rings to get

[spice hornet]

its in memory of Bruin

[spice hornet]

yes crit/haste ring

[verbal wren]

Thank you!

[low sparrow]

anyone know this?

[sharp meteor]

Potentially, yes.

[wheat jay]

Any comp is glad viable

[sharp meteor]

If Slaughterhouse is too hard to maintain just drop it to run like enduring/bloodrage/trance then play with something like havoc/windwalker/demo.

[radiant patio]

like kul tiran or human which is better choice

[spice hornet]

What arms build people running rn

[green wyvern]

I find unhinged decent

[spice hornet]

doesnt thatget cucked by pets and stuff really bad

[green wyvern]

if its demo you get lots of regen from deep wounds by bladestorming pets

I like bladestorm a lot

bleed is awful imo

[tribal wedge]

bleed is so slow

i dislike this build so much

[green wyvern]

you just have to play super agressive

[spice hornet]

whats the alternative

[severe basin]

play fury

its much better

[spice hornet]

even after the nerfs?

[green wyvern]

probably

[severe basin]

yes

[green wyvern]

but you play with a clas that has ms

[spice hornet]

ya

[severe basin]

arms is kinda meh

[green wyvern]

demo/feral

[tribal wedge]

magnusz played this one, think it's the best arms talent

[severe basin]

im probably just gonna reroll rogue tbh

[green wyvern]

Yeah I think this is the only viable build

[native folio]

Where can I look up what ability does reduced dmg in pvp situatons

[green wyvern]

Also I find recklessness overrated

BS proc defo better into cleaves

[undone pumice]

blasphemy

[tribal wedge]

good shit if you CS in the exec %

[undone pumice]

now post bench

[green wyvern]

Test of might is bad

or whatever its called

[sudden barn]

What's better the 411 honor gear or bloody tokens set gear?

[severe basin]

bloody tokens has set bonus and you can use it in warmode

[tribal wedge]

for arena, honor one, for world pvp bloody tokens one

[green wyvern]

fury is still the tankiest melee in the game after feral

[raw summit]

And rogue

[severe basin]

yeah rogue is really good

[sudden barn]

So the the set bonus is on only works outside orginazed pvp and battlegrounds @severe basin

[severe basin]

all 3 specs are really OP

[green wyvern]

yeah but rogue is in its own tier

[severe basin]

i didnt know that

[sudden barn]

@severe basin I was wondering that

[full quiver]

The ms is what made fury really good last expansion

[green wyvern]

The worst thing about arms isn't even defensives

[full quiver]

We'll see how good it is now that it's harder to maintain

[severe basin]

no i think it still works in arena

[green wyvern]

It's the fact that you have to use so many globals to deal damage

[tribal wedge]

yeah, still think fury is better even with the MS nerf. But arms really could be played, that shit deals hard

[green wyvern]

Meanwhile fury has swifty macro

[severe basin]

exactly

[green wyvern]

Pop swifty -> hit 2 bloodbaths = enemy almost dead

[severe basin]

exactly

much less to go wrong

much easier to master

easier usually always means better

[sharp meteor]

eh it's a thing to consider

the best spec or comp could be rather finicky but that wouldn't make it bad

[marble bone]

is the cobalt rep ring really good for pvp? Or can I just skip the farm and grind honor

[tribal wedge]

nerf by 60% in pvp

so dont waste your time

[marble bone]

Good

[sharp meteor]

If it's a common pick then it'll probably get nerfed again.

[marble bone]

farmed the rep on two pve toons already lol

[sharp meteor]

They've been cracking down on a lot of defensive/healing stuff.

[marble bone]

ye noticed

I main DK 😐

[undone pumice]

goofy

[severe basin]

i rerolled from dk to warrior

now im rerolling to rogue

[marble bone]

Lol rerollers

Better to just actually learn a class than reroll every time theres a nerf 🤷‍♂️

[crude bane]

i did learn from my mistakes

now i rerolling

every tuning

kekw

[severe basin]

lol

said by every 1400 andy ever

i play whats good

[undone pumice]

are you r1?

[severe basin]

multi season glad

[undone pumice]

zased

[crude bane]

wich season

cause 2K4 is a joke

2K4 is new 1K8

[severe basin]

i agree

not when it counted

[sharp meteor]

i mean to some extent

2400 gets same mount as 2900

if still tidying up fundamentals then sure

[severe basin]

its fun to play every class anyway

it makes counters easy and its not boring

[sharp meteor]

true

[severe basin]

being a 1 trick is boring af

[sharp meteor]

i like collecting elite sets

and messing around with stuff in bgs

[humble heath]

i see the gear list in the pins for fury

so why does the wowhead guide have haste as like last stat

[sharp meteor]

because it's wowhead

[undone pumice]

because ur prob looking at pve

[humble heath]

aight sweet just coming here to check with all the fury gods

[sharp meteor]

stat priorities can shift around based on a lot of things but the conservative guess as to what'll be good is haste/vers>mastery>crit

[humble heath]

i just didnt know if there was some crazy shit with crit and bloodbath

[sharp meteor]

like for instance i can think mastery and crit can gain value in bgs

because you're not often sitting there whacking away at somebody for long

[undone pumice]

i wish crit was more gooder

let us utilize that recklessness buff to its real eztent

crit is easily coolest stat

imagine getting critted

[wheat jay]

Crit wack

Haste most fun

[undone pumice]

imagine critting

it just sounds cooler than

im hasting

im mastering

im versatilising

[wheat jay]

Faster hits better

Slow hits not good

[steep atlas]

So my guess is fury will want to play with classes that also bring an MS like Demo, Feral, DH, maybe WW, and arms will want to play with like a Ret or Enh?

[tribal wedge]

could be

[sharp meteor]

Potentially, yes, if it's too awkward/inefficient to maintain stacks.

[brazen rock]

thats the play rn

(imo)

arms needs to play with classes that can take the heat off them

fury plays with classes that bring MS depending how awkward maintaining stacks is

[regal locust]

16% haste good for fury?

Too much?

[sharp meteor]

if the fury stacks roll and each one falls off after 9 rather than all together then imo nothing rly changes

except that it's still a notable nerf

[brazen rock]

i assume you mean out of pvp mode

thats fine

i have 27% with gear scaled up and shit feels great.

[regal locust]

Almost got full honor gear and in the city I got 16%

[brazen rock]

so not scaled up. yeah thats fine. gear to buy is in the pins

[regal locust]

Only thing different I did is get one 2h have mastery instead of haste

But everything’s the same

I main DK but I get trained by an melee now. Fury is the bane of my existence. It feels so nice and nothing I can do against a fury war on my UHDK

[latent hazel]

you cant just keep him of with chains spam?

[sharp meteor]

odyns breaks roots

reflect reflects chains

avatar breaks

bloodrage break

if fury doesn't demolish dk the game is bad

[copper venture]

Dont know if this is the right place to ask my question but has anyone tested the DF enchants on weapons to determine what is the best setup for weapon enchants?

[brazen rock]

30% rough uptime over 3 minute target dummy, stat procs cant be up at the same time if playing fury.

str/vers

frozen devo maybe but probably not

[copper venture]

Thank you!

[slim knoll]

So I really want to push and get gladiator for the first time ever. All my friends are pve whores almost exclusively. Any recommendations? Literally just lfg?

[brazen rock]

lfg, solo shuffle, add btags

dont rage, dont play with ragers/whiners, know when to call the night/session

[copper venture]

seasons generally last how many months?

[slim knoll]

Good advice thanks Varughh

Isn’t solo shuffle that new mode that switches up teams for like 6 rounds?

You just add high performing guys you notice in there?

[brazen rock]

yes

if i que into/with them multiple times and they arent cockheads, yeah

[radiant patio]

is this what human warriors are running?

to make use of their racial/

[raw summit]

Idk man not being able to trinket blind sucks

[thick reef]

I run regular trink

If I'm Stunned, I use Racial
For everything else, there is MasterCard my Trink

[dull pulsar]

are the pinned builds what are considered best rn?

[sharp meteor]

ahahaha

maybe into like dks or wws

[radiant patio]

if u use racial for stun doesnt it put pvp trink on cd?

[thick reef]

Yes, but if you trink vs racial, it's a 90 sec cd

You are there for Human Spirit anyway

That 2% of all secondary stat sources

[radiant patio]

ah ok was trying to justify if going kul tiran would be better by human racial & trinket overlapping

[thick reef]

I'm there for fat passive dps increase

[radiant patio]

right on

[obtuse solar]

anyone have a pvp prot build?

[raw summit]

Pinned

[jovial salmon]

what stats does arms want?

[thick reef]

Blizzard buffs

That spec is DoA atm

[jovial salmon]

[craggy socket]

Is DH MS 50% in pvp?

[brazen rock]

25%.

[undone pumice]

best rogue spec to play with?

[raw summit]

Ew

[undone pumice]

times are tough

[raw summit]

Play with my monk man

I even bought trinkets on this char

[sharp meteor]

hmm probs outlaw

assa damage kind of cracked though

[undone pumice]

so just not sub yh?

[onyx vale]

all 3 are crack broken

[undone pumice]

i meant for with warr

[onyx vale]

crack broken

[undone pumice]

🐎

[light granite]

am i crazy for playing arms cause its more fun?

subjectively ofc

[karmic tundra]

i also think arms is hell more fun, but not as strong as fury atm

[raw summit]

Damn you fools playing video game for fun how dare you! 11!

[undone pumice]

you are crazy for using steroids

[light granite]

i dont use them anymore. but am unforch on trt

[thick reef]

Single player gamer moment

[sharp meteor]

df is so good so far

hope it stays like this

[brazen rock]

luckily arms is one change away from being S tier

[sage raptor]

I hope it gets nerfed

🍿

[onyx vale]

bait didnt work

https://tenor.com/view/take-the-l-bozo-gif-25355134

[low sparrow]

are we running 4 set as fury anyone know yet?

[wooden grove]

It’s not even out my guy

But tbh the annih RA build doesn’t really benefit from 4 much

[sharp meteor]

season hasn't started

tier isn't available

probably tho

lmao

[indigo barn]

Looks like 2 set and that's it

I feel like I'm sitting on SD procs a lot

If arms gets buffed, you will run 4 set arms 100%

[mild thunder]

Yes you are always going to run full tier set

On arms and fury

Idk why people ask this… you’re almost definitely going to hit 30% vers regardless

[sharp meteor]

what's with people and breakpoints

as if the class magically gets better at exactly 30% vers

[mild thunder]

For the 30%, it’s not so much a breakpoint as stats just losing value

Lower %/stat point

[copper hare]

Not so much about stats, more that fury set just doesn't to anything to the annihilator spec. The set itself is very strong when you combine it with the execute talents, but you don't even have points for that with annihilator. The reason you play this spec is for passive healing

arms set is a no brainer, 4 set + crafted head

[brazen rock]

the arms 4set isnt that great

what

i mean yeah youll run it

[sharp meteor]

10% reduced value for stats above 30% is so negligible

[mild thunder]

It increases every 5% I’m pretty sure

Versa is probably a bit overstated as well imo

[sharp meteor]

No.

[sharp meteor]

It's a bad damage stat for a lot of specs.

Damage reduction is good, though.

so it's kind of hard to eyeball value

also most pvp gear has it, and is often vers weighted, so you basically just stuck with a ton of vers

[mild thunder]

Every 10%, mb

[sharp meteor]

Roughly. It's like 39 and 47% or something but even in Eternal we only reached the former.

[mild thunder]

Yea obviously, I just think people overstate how much of a sacrifice it is to give up vers for tier

[sharp meteor]

Maybe we'll get higher this expansion.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, true. Especially since they nuked the old trinket bonus that gave 40% more dmg/healing from the stat.

[mild thunder]

You only reached the former because of the diminishing returns tho

[mild thunder]

Thank FUCK

[sharp meteor]

Every class disc asking if it's worth giving up 1.3% vers for a 4pc that gives 15% more damage 😵‍💫

[mild thunder]

The new trinket bonus is so much better

[sharp meteor]

"dood i don't wanna be squishy bro"

[mild thunder]

Yea it’s just a weird question imo

Unless your tier set is legitimately useless or something

[brazen rock]

whos 4pc is that good

[mild thunder]

I remember ferals not taking a second legendary in s4 because it gave 0 bonus in PvP

[brazen rock]

arms is like 4.5% simmed lmao

[mild thunder]

Pretty sure ww is like 10-12% from memory

Even if the design is kinda shit

[sharp meteor]

oh this was last season idk what df s1 tiers are

[brazen rock]

Ohh ok my b

[sharp meteor]

will figure it out in a few weeks

heard most of them sucked so that's cool

[brazen rock]

I mean they all can be inputted into sims so.

[sharp meteor]

again still unless it just doesn't synergize with playstyle like the aff one in s3-4

idk if many specs ignore theirs

[brazen rock]

(rsham) (4) Set Bonus: Your critical heals have 215% effectiveness instead of the usual 200%.

spec saved, we did it boys

[mild thunder]

I don’t think anyone is going to end up ignoring it for 2% versa (minus rsham)

[mild thunder]

I take it back

[brazen rock]

(spriest) (4) Set Bonus: Devouring Plague and Mind Sear increase your haste by 4% for 8 seconds.

(2) Set Bonus: Mortal Strike and Cleave damage and chance to critically strike increased by 10%.
(4) Set Bonus: Mortal Strike, Cleave, & Execute critical strikes increase your damage and critical strike chance by 5% for 6 seconds.

these two though are gonna lead to some very funny numbers combined with spear crit + 2 execute stacks

[mild thunder]

Arms tier is fine

And there’s a very weird chance it pushes us into cleave on ST

[waxen oasis]

When to use wrecking throw or shattering throw?

[mild thunder]

When you need to wreck

And shatter when you need to shatter

[sharp meteor]

wrecking throw always shattering is troll

[brazen rock]

wrecking almost always, shattering vs hpal maybe

[sharp meteor]

if no absorbs then neither

[brazen rock]

wrecking is much more useful overall.

it still hits fairly hard even without absorb

25k crit a few times

[sharp meteor]

oh maybe that is decent then

but yeah just wrecking always don't think

[empty marsh]

is the pvp rotation for fury just ramp and bloodbath outside of cds

[sly walrus]

@elfin surge pssh as if

[wooden grove]

direct quote from the warrior main GM

"Arms warrior has way more survivability than fury right now"

what

[low sparrow]

whats ra?

[brazen rock]

gm?

[empty marsh]

reckless abandon

[low sparrow]

ah

[sharp meteor]

reckless abandon

[wooden grove]

the guild leader whatever that even means

[brazen rock]

whos warrior guild leader

what

[empty marsh]

grandmaster? guild master?

[brazen rock]

im so confused

[empty marsh]

there's a warrior guild??

[wooden grove]

jesus the gm who is a warrior main

[brazen rock]

WHOS GUILD LEADER

[wooden grove]

is saying arms has way more survivability than fury

[lost wyvern]

quick question: as a human what trinks can u get (im trying not to play medallion)

[brazen rock]

[wooden grove]

a guild leader the fuck

[empty marsh]

WHAT RANK AM I

[thick reef]

Medallion

[brazen rock]

LOL

[lost wyvern]

im out of binds for another trink

[copper hare]

I think you're drunk

[brazen rock]

you shut the fuck up

[thick reef]

Bind another, fuck it

[wooden grove]

i think Varughh is if he doesn't under stand what is being said lmao

[thick reef]

Based

[lost wyvern]

XD

[copper hare]

just bind trinket in your reck macro

problem solved

[brazen rock]

nobody knows wtf your saying

"a warriior guild leader"

bro

theres

[wooden grove]

how do you not? it's pretty fucking simple

[brazen rock]

10s of thousands of guilds

[wooden grove]

a guild leader who happens to be a warrior main said some dumb shit

it doesn't matter what guild

the fuck is wrong with you

[brazen rock]

[wooden grove]

someone else try to talk me into arms having good survivability compared to fury currently

tryna have a laugh

[brazen rock]

you want me to lie to you?

[copper hare]

I think you've missed the guy earlier

[wooden grove]

lmao

[brazen rock]

oh right mr donny

mr fatality stacks, hidden tech, big op

sit in def stance until 90% damp then go for the kill

[wooden grove]

sounds like an arms main

just wait til damp man

win in damp

[brazen rock]

wins 1 game for every 5 fury gets to play

[copper hare]

next time he comes in he says that McDonalds has a working ice machine

yeah right

delusional

[wheat crane]

My mcds is high class bro speak for your own

Get that oreo mcflurry

[elfin surge]

?????

[candid pebble]

isn't mcdonalds discontinuing the mcflurry because the manufacturer of the machines are removing them

the manufacturer got fed up with mcdonalds fake its broke bs

[radiant flint]

Is fury still the move after the nerfs?

[brazen rock]

yes

[candid pebble]

yee

[wooden grove]

not if you ask the arms kids

they think fury is a dead spec now

[candid pebble]

tell them to 1v1 us bro

[autumn whale]

been arms since day dot. tried my luck with fury, and killing it

[radiant flint]

Can we still maintain uptime on MS?

[wooden grove]

it ramps now

[autumn whale]

so much more sustain. arms is great if u got a pocket healer.

[wooden grove]

instead of maintaining at 40% it ramps to 36% and restarts

i believe

[radiant flint]

Yeah but it doesn't refresh the duration

[wooden grove]

that's why it ramps

[mild thunder]

I’m pretty sure that’s what restarts means

[wooden grove]

lol

[mild thunder]

Fury players really do need everything dumbed down to the tiniest detail

Ooga booga, debuff no 100% uptime, have refresh stack ooga booga

[lucid walrus]

when fury really started blowing up in SL this place's collective IQ dropped minimum 20 points

[wooden grove]

ngl tried feral for a few days

[lucid walrus]

"hey guys what slot unity"
"what stats, race, keybinds, race soulbind warrior fury"

[wooden grove]

back to fury

[mild thunder]

And covenant

[copper hare]

the way you talk about people here with your game knowledge is probably the funniest thing I've seen in years

keep it up

I enjoy it tbh

[mild thunder]

Glad you enjoy it, I am here to entertain

If you ever don’t like anything, I’m sure you’ll PM and block me again

[brazen rock]

better than dreamgrove pvp channel

some weird ass shit goes on in there.

[mild thunder]

Dreamgrove is almost all bears from what I’ve seen

[lucid walrus]

i remember we used to cross-reference posts that reeked of soylent by checking if the dude was also active in rogue or mage cord

[lucid walrus]

don't they like exclusively post bear memes or something

[full quiver]

Lmfao

[brazen rock]

memes, social posts, selfies, some friendships in there go back to tbc

probably 1/10th actual pvp talk

[lucid walrus]

nutty

that's p much how this place was in bfa

lifting/lifestyle/whatever talk + the occasional "check pins" to whoever stopped in

[full quiver]

that place was straight incel land when played feral for a bit

hated that channel

can't get any real info and everyone weird af

[spice hornet]

Feral players are sus

[random fractal]

i fucked up in this clip hard because i didnt spam heal but holy fuck the burst damage

[copper hare]

It's weird that BFA, which was announced as a featured pvp expansion had way worse overall world pvp than DF

world pvp is fun af rn

[lucid walrus]

i'm actively trying to grind out the wpvp title this xpac

[copper hare]

Oh there is a title? Just for world pvp kills or

[brazen rock]

Better be doing it solo

[lucid walrus]

it's a big meta achievement thing. do [x] pvp wq in warmode [x] amount of times, get 1k honor in each zone, do all the rare free for all quests + some other stuff etc etc

title is "malicious [name]", achieve is dragonfight club

[severe skiff]

Literally 99% a circle jerk between like the same 3 posters and 1% guardian druid questions, by far the most worthless class discord I've seen yet.

[brazen rock]

Blame it on Fuji

[random fractal]

feral druids are the cool people

guardians are fucking weirdos

well both are weirdos but guardians are always weirder

in bgs they say the most random and horrifc shit ive ever read

[wheat crane]

Nah there was legitimate in game advice thrown around too

Probably have more of it soon when the season actually starts

Right now every answer is basically just check pins

[lucid walrus]

yeah there was good advice for sure

[severe basin]

does fury match up well with assa rogue?

as the game is rn

[craggy socket]

Huh

Rogue and warrior do not play well together

[copper hare]

fury outlaw works beautiful

[severe basin]

whys that

[copper hare]

was the best war comp last season

[severe basin]

everyone in the rogue discord will tell u outlaw sucks dog ass

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, just like they did for most of SL.

[copper hare]

and everyone in the dh discord will tell you that dh suck

[sharp meteor]

That poor guy who asked if Kyrian Outlaw would be good and everybody shit on him.

[severe basin]

yeah they're sussy mcgussys bro

theres like 1 outlaw video on youtube

its sus as fck

[jovial meteor]

Once slaughter house stacks hit 12, does a new stack start?

Or does it just Rotate to 0 after the 9 seconds?

[severe skiff]

It's almost certainly going to work exactly like necrotic wound

once you apply the first stack of slaughterhouse it will have a 9sec debuff timer

adding more stacks will not increase that timer at all

so if you hit max stacks at 8 seconds it falls off 1 second later

[regal locust]

I think we can all agree that DK sucks the most.

[floral cedar]

is sohpic devotion the best pvp enchant for arena?

[severe skiff]

Atm it may be frozen devotion, at least for fury. Even on WW monk where fist of fury pauses your auto attacks 2x frozen devotion is like 8-10% of your overall damage

It's actually doing absurd damage and it was nerfed in beta, maybe sees another nerf during raid tuning idk

[fallen eagle]

hey all, can someone post what is the best arms build rn ?

for pvp

[severe skiff]

Personally find BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARikEJJJJalkEAAAAQAJJQCQENKJJSSoJRIBgDEJAAAAAAAAkQJJAAA to be the most consistent

other popular one is

BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARikEJSkoVSSAAAAABkkAJAR0okkIJhmEhEAOQkAAAAAAAAQCSSiAA

actually forgot to put impending on those, you take that lol

just take the point out of honed reflexes or cruel strike, up to you

[sharp meteor]

dark iron lookin more appealing by the minute

wonder how hard the hammer comes down on assa/feral/sp in coming weeks

[severe skiff]

feel like dark iron is kind of a trap, still insanely good. use dwarf racials defensively 99% of the time and don't get much value out of the massive stat boost. Suppose in unique situations where you get to counter pressure right on use but again lower value if you aren't bursting with those added stats

normal dwarf gets you 2% crit damage passive + 10% dmg reduction on top of the defensive aspect

• have better heritage transmog

[ancient dirge]

is annihilator really the build to go for fury

I like hitting raging blow, makes me feel cool

[tardy flame]

#showtooltip Raging Blow
/use Bloodthirst

Problem solved

[ancient dirge]

[sharp meteor]

wym dont get much value off the stat boost

you're on dr, you rip all the bleeds off

[severe skiff]

doesn't mean you're ready to turn around and pop out meaningful damage

[sharp meteor]

even still no other race aside from base dwarf doesn't rip off major cds

[severe skiff]

I was saying in regards to comparing it to normal dwarf

feel like normal dwarf is prob better

[sharp meteor]

ehh

nah too much mainstat from did

[severe skiff]

passive 2% critical damage from normal dwarf adds up if you want to just look at raw damage, main stat from dark iron gains much more value when you get to use it in conjunction with big damage, preferably on your cooldowns

[sharp meteor]

not when every game is ending in a go

[severe skiff]

again if you're using the racial defensively like you almost always do

its much less likely to line up with your go

or you get baited into using it like blood fury on your go

then don't have the defensive benefit when you need it

not bad by any means just don't think its that much higher than normal dwarf, if at all

[sharp meteor]

ripping vendetta off with a racial is pretty okay

[severe skiff]

since you use it defensively almost always

yes, using it defensively it is insanely strong.

[sharp meteor]

ya just not sending go until they sending theirs then countering

[thick reef]

anyone have a prot warrior build for pvp i looked in the pin and its only for level 60

[sharp meteor]

not a fan of encouraging prot shenanigans

[mild thunder]

You had me right until the end

Dark iron mog is dope

[severe skiff]

Have you not seen how glorious normal dwarf heritage is?

dark iron basic af compared to it imo

[mild thunder]

Normie dwarf is okay, just wish they would start rolling out weapons for other races

[severe skiff]

yeah that would be cool

[mild thunder]

And I finally got Black Hand mog after a stupidly long time farming it, so DI mog matches

[tardy flame]

Thank you for reminding me Black Hand exists. I'm going to swap mogs tonight!

[knotty atlas]

The IcyVeins guide for PvP have been updated by @fickle forge :
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arms-warrior-pvp-rotation-and-playstyle
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fury-warrior-pvp-guide
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pvp-guide

[steep inlet]

:/

[knotty atlas]

@steep inlet can i reflect the dragon dudes breath?

The thing that stuns you when they fly-by.

[steep inlet]

nope !

tried not many times that said, have to do other tests

[sharp meteor]

Deep Breath? I don't imagine so.

[steep inlet]

Kargish my man asked me in DM to use my exact build for Icy Veins but no credit at all, that’s a bit sad

[sharp meteor]

Should be able to storm it just fine, though.

[sharp meteor]

[steep inlet]

:(

[muted surge]

@fickle forge bit rude innit

[left scarab]

doesnt cost anything to give a mention

[steep inlet]

what I don’t understand is I know him since years

and I saw a ton of wrong builds elsewhere (shockwave DRing, wrong points or synergy, wrong points in the right tree for dmg etc)

[fallow bay]

do you have fury talent bro ?

[civic storm]

Hey guys I’m relatively new to PvP , I just dinged 70 and I’m finding getting gear for PvP a nightmare , I’m just constantly getting dumpstered … any tips for gearing up or do I just get my ass blasted till I get 11k honor points

[fickle forge]

I'm not allowed to reference anyone in these articles unfortunately

[muted surge]

Buy full 398 gear for like 10k gold or prob less now

Otherwise, just play epic bgs

Getting full gear is so fast

[fiery oxide]

Yeah without gear it's a real mission, just gotta take the beating till you are on a level playing field

[severe skiff]

Just que epic bgs and chill in a vehicle or in a keep or something while watching w/e stream content you want or doing something else. Make it painless.

[autumn saffron]

Hey, whats my best bet for an alt if I want something that plays similar to warrior? I don’t really like dk becsuse the lack of mobility

[copper hare]

I mean if you want sick mobility, then ww is a good choice. A lot of warriors also play ww, you just really have to make good use of your defensives and mobility because ww is really squishy into any melee. You also have to like that they're so based on 1 min setups

[steep inlet]

I even saw blizo

As WW recently

[sharp meteor]

Havoc.

Windwalker.

[waxen oasis]

shattering throw doesnt work on bop right?

[sharp meteor]

It should.

[autumn saffron]

Alright, I guess I’ll have to try ww it sounds fun. Thanks guys!

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, just know that the squishiness is normal and you're supposed to play a little like a sub rogue at times and just run between buttons.

Also fists is really good for stopping damage if they don't have a way to cc it, like stormbolt.

[drowsy depot]

The amount of monks that have fisted my disarm at a perfect time, really makes me reassess how predictable I can be lol

[sharp meteor]

Not a fan of disarm into ww as I think all it does is disable fists.

took it by mistake once and blew up a monk in spear I think because he thought he'd be able to fists that go but wasn't really a consistent thing

[fickle forge]

I think he's always alted WW though no?

[steep inlet]

yep but saw him back on WW in DF

[warped warren]

@fickle forge explain

[fickle forge]

I did

[warped warren]

ok

[steep inlet]

it’s ok he couldn’t but I know the Icy Veins boss

[drowsy depot]

I do like to fear on sef then disarm into bolt for my go during theirs. It's fun to do

[steep inlet]

He is french

Will sort it out

[muted surge]

Ofc he’s French :<

[fickle forge]

French community is right

[warped warren]

french

[steep inlet]

baguette

[fickle forge]

Frappe Mortelle clan

[warped warren]

fulgurance

[steep inlet]

no more frappe mortelle atm

Coup de Bouclier

charge de bouclier

[fickle forge]

I'm going to assume that's Shield Slam and Shield Charge

[steep inlet]

exactly

[fickle forge]

🥖

What's Thunderclap though

[steep inlet]

Coup de Tonnerre

[muted surge]

A lot of coups with the French

[left scarab]

whats icys reason for this mate? a small section just giving a thanks really shouldnt be beyond the realm of possibilities on a guide

[copper hare]

coup just stands for copium

100%

[steep inlet]

haha

its ok cinco no worries will fix it

thx guys anyway

it's just because i had to do many many hours of tests (even 1 point wrong could drastically lower the dps) i even started without the auto rend on thunderclap or shits like this because i come from arms and it’s also new talents from DF

thats why i insisted a bit

but its not his fault nor icy veins

its a miss understanding

[muted surge]

Nah fuck them :<

[fickle forge]

Also I think WoWhead might have shut down their PvP section

[steep inlet]

Dunno but I see a ton of errors on prot one

[fickle forge]

Or rather, there still seem to be 10.0 guides, but I don't see Joefernandes or Flarkness writing them anymore

Or anyone I used to know

[muted surge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/pvp-talent-builds

They didn’t shut it down

But they should

I don’t think llard playes pvp?

[steep inlet]

build is insanely wrong

with DRs, a diminished shield charge, other wrong points

[mild thunder]

doubt they've shut it down, but wowhead just pretends pvp doesnt exist

[steep inlet]

https://gyazo.com/57f6eb74bbc15426f4f79bde14285a19

also this

1. we are not tanky at ALL vs casters or hybrids. A single sp lock or ret can fuck me

2. ok
3. we are not CC kings at all, he write this like we are mage or rogue

[muted surge]

Well, with shockwave :S

And leap stun

[steep inlet]

5 we have a shit ton of self healing with indomitable and ignore pain and impending

no all this on DR stun

[copper hare]

you didnt believe me when I told you this in pre patch when I tested beta

[fickle forge]

I'm pretty sure they no longer have higher end PvP'ers write their guides though

[stuck root]

locked down meaning they press thunder clap lol

[steep inlet]

nono i always agree ! even said my soloQ with casters only was nightmare

[fickle forge]

Neither does Bolas

[steep inlet]

and finaly 6) is wrong too

prot has damgurs

well

[fickle forge]

Prot dmg is insane

Wat

[steep inlet]

also he say no sustained dmg which is very wrong

i did mass wargames in 3s skirm even vs real teams

i have my ret dmgs, even more

[fickle forge]

Watch Blizz add 25% MS to Shield Slam next patch

😎👍

[steep inlet]

need

i also think strongly Arms is very cool now

will play it too

but never without an hybrid or another focused guy

never never

because its fucking paper

[copper hare]

how they gonna call it, Slaughterapartment or

[steep inlet]

[fickle forge]

Slaughter Slammed

Coup de Mortelle

[steep inlet]

coup de mortelle rofl

would be : Coup Mortel (mortal hit)

[mild thunder]

they probably dont even know who high-end pvpers are

[upbeat ice]

????

is that a bugged enchant

[left scarab]

apparently its very strong. maybe that screen is from beta tho

been nerfed since apparently

[jovial meteor]

Im pretty keen to see the state of the dps specs after reset

[drowsy depot]

What enchantments we going bois

[upbeat ice]

that was the last game i played

lmao

[left scarab]

lol whut. deffo gonna have to get this enchant then

[upbeat ice]

i just tested it

it does work

in pve its hitting for more than in arena but still good

[severe skiff]

Yeah frozen devotion is actually insane

rank3 doe smore damage than rank1 of course, I wouldn't be surprised if it catches a nerf during raid tuning that tends to occur on raid launch

[drowsy depot]

What does it do?

[severe skiff]

It's a damage proc

it cleaves and damage is split between multiple targets

but it also gets increased damage per target hit

[toxic frost]

How is arms now compared to fury in general? Havent play in a week

[drowsy depot]

So is it good for single target burst within a 10sec window say?

[severe skiff]

Fury's 10% damage reduction and ability to self heal to full + defensive usable in stun still keeps it ahead but arms has pretty sizeable damage now

yeah since you can get multiple procs in that window

it procs pretty often

even on WW, which has slower auto attacks + auto attack pausing during fist of fury

it will be like 10% of your overall damage

[drowsy depot]

Scary thinking sub rogue has access to it o.o

[severe skiff]

The competing enchant is like an 850 main stat proc, honor badge is around 1100 for comparison, sophic devotion

but think sophic has a lower proc rate

[drowsy depot]

So dual weird run both? Or double devotion?

[severe skiff]

Fury should run double devotion of frost, which is the enchant in the pic

assuming it doesn't get nerfed

[sage raptor]

imagine having an expansion be so good on launch that soooo many people want to play it, but they get interrupted by bs frame drops that makes people not want to play anymore.

[grizzled zinc]

random bg vs epic bg what is faster honor/h?

[sage raptor]

WoW crashed my windows twice btw

[sage raptor]

random

[severe skiff]

Random bg but those tend to be harder to afk/watch tv during

[drowsy depot]

Epic if you afk, random if you want to play

[pearl prism]

5 day suspension boys for calling everyone in my EOTS bg 'cucks' for constantly going mid while getting tower 4 capped

Their may have been some f words in there as well

rip

Tell me how fury as after rest ❤️

[copper hare]

no way you got a suspension for that lol

[mild thunder]

as someone that recently got banned as well, i know for a fact you're leaving some stuff out of your recount xD

[delicate bronze]

Partner plays surv hunter, if i play fury is it possible to climb 1.8k?

We do 2s

[pearl prism]

haha na im not, i literally just get suspensions like once a year when I BG grind in new seasons

I have a track record of abusing people who sit mid in EOTS

It's a weird psychological problem I have only with EOTS

[copper hare]

I've only got muted once so far and I did def worse stuff

I got reported and muted for my darkness macro on dh which says "STAND IN DARKNESS RETARD"

[sage raptor]

you can get 1800 with anything

[mild thunder]

yea retard will get you insta silenced and then insta suspended after the first warning

[lean island]

average dh macro

[copper hare]

yea right

I've seen 3k healers walking out blind out of darkness, something had to change

[crystal ledge]

can i get an opinion on what is good to pair with a warrior in 2's? preferably a caster but just maybe a handful of options (a dps)

[quasi rock]

Not sure i would double dps with a warrior in 2s

[crystal ledge]

i see :<

[muted surge]

A heal

Or smth that can off heal

[crystal ledge]

i was thinking mage spriest or lock, maybe ele shaman?

[spice burrow]

feral / shaman or SP if you wanna play with dps

otherwise i recommend getting used to druid healer

[crystal ledge]

oh really, feral :o?

[spice burrow]

yep

[crystal ledge]

i figured they'd have a good bit of overlap with stuns and stuff

[spice burrow]

it's about feral's kit - healing , CC etc

[quasi rock]

they can massively assist you with off heals and instant cyclones

[crystal ledge]

gotcha gotcha

if i was to play a healer it'd probably be my evoker, would that be an okay option?

[spice burrow]

any healer works with war but some do better than others

from my experience in 2s druid is the best then everything else depending on metagame

[crystal ledge]

gotcha gotcha

thanks :]

[quasi rock]

evoker should be ok considering how good they are right now, but can't tell yet 😄

[crystal ledge]

yeah i gotcha

[icy bridge]

ngl, I feel bad for Warriors going up vs rogues in DF S1

[copper hare]

Trust me when I say one thing

it can't get worse than vs outlaw in SL s3/s4

[icy bridge]

😂

Its worse

You forgot about shiv + slowing poison

resulting in you walking at 16% mspeed

and all rogue specs having access to acrobatic strike and gouge

[lethal slate]

you guys dont think that slaughterhouse nerf is too much? now once you get max stack u have like 3-4 sec to do damage and u dont want to press rampage again before previous effect expire

[icy bridge]

I dont think it was big

Considering how much dps and healing Fury pumps out

and the speed their CDs come back vs other specs

[copper hare]

It was big but other s tier classes got nerfed aswell, and the spec is still tanky and has good damage. Pair him with another ms class that is also tanky and you will slay.

[icy bridge]

^

[muted surge]

Nerf fury further

Buff enhance

[icy bridge]

I dont think Fury needs anymore nerfs thou lol

just CC them and walk away

[autumn saffron]

Can’t cc when you are dead

[sage raptor]

fury melts through everyones defensives

it needs tuning

[kindred quarry]

for pvp wahat stats we are looking for

more crit or more haste?

[mild thunder]

You’re basing that on live fury, not on how it will be after the slaughterhouse nerfs. Fury is going to be solidly A tier but not OP after the update is live

[idle plaza]

Buff arms not enhc mate wrong class 🙂

[lethal slate]

true

[sage raptor]

Fury didn't get its damage nerfed

[lethal slate]

with less ms effect damage ll be nerfed indirectly

[sage raptor]

MS doesn't change how much damage someone does

If fury had no MS it would still melt through defensives

[mild thunder]

Fury doesn’t have an issue with doing too much damage

Arguably, Arms does higher damage than fury. What was overpowered was slaughterhouse and the self healing

Both of which… were nerfed

[sage raptor]

I'm going to ignore that

[mild thunder]

You can do that, I’m still right

[sage raptor]

You're really not

Idk how you can look at fury damage be like "yeah thats chill"

[mild thunder]

I don’t? But the damage isn’t the issue

A 40% heal debuff and hybrid+ self healing by mashing one button were the issues

[sage raptor]

So you do

As well as damage

[mild thunder]

Are you actually retarded?

Can you read?

[sage raptor]

I don't understand how it's hard to understand that fury does a lot of damage

And your name calling is getting you nowhere because you're still wrong

[mild thunder]

It does do a lot of damage. A lot of damage is not too much damage

[marble bone]

Yikes, thats an interesting way to lose any credibility

Now shoo back under your bridge little troll

[mild thunder]

👍🏻

[sage raptor]

Just say you don't want to admit it

Because that's what it really is

[mild thunder]

What?

Admit what? Lmao

[sage raptor]

Damage is an issue too

I have a better idea

[mild thunder]

It’s… not. The issues were pretty obvious

[sage raptor]

Explain how, in detail, it's not an issue.

[mild thunder]

The raging blow build literally does more damage than bt - you take bt for the self healing

[sage raptor]

Do you bother to look at damage charts?

I have the feeling you dont

And its a rather strong feeling

[mild thunder]

Nope, but I’ve played the game and know damage is not the issue. It might feel as though damage is an issue, because slaughterhouse makes the damage so much more effective. But damage itself is not the issue

If you want fury damage nerfed more, go right ahead. I wouldn’t complain

[sage raptor]

So you haven't looked at charts, but you know damage isn't an issue?

[fickle forge]

Fury was perma garbage tier before they got Slaughter, even if it did more damage

😎👍

[sage raptor]

Because it's not arms?

[fickle forge]

Because it has 0 utility

[sage raptor]

It had the same utility though just no MS

Granted MS is super improtant

[spice burrow]

oh boy

[sage raptor]

In SL

[fickle forge]

War Banner, Duel and BS go brrrrr

[mild thunder]

Omg it’s almost like a 40%+ heal debuff is really strong

[sage raptor]

You I'm ignoring

[mild thunder]

And dbs brings a bit more utility

[fickle forge]

When you one shot DKs because they can't heal into parry

😎👍

[mild thunder]

When you parry kidney only to get CS’d anyway 😎👌🏻

[sage raptor]

Could've sworn fury had banner. Guess not.

[lethal slate]

fury started to be tier S with slaughterhouse in sl, and with same dmg was tier F in sl so

[mild thunder]

You mustn’t have read the charts

[sage raptor]

What does that have to do with damage? Lol

Don't turn what I said to you on me

Especially if you do it wrong

[undone pumice]

arent u a dk popo

[sage raptor]

I'm a lot of things

Aren't you a dk?

[lethal slate]

now with slaughter nerf is solid pick, tier A, but nothing more...rogue, feral are stronger

[mild thunder]

Dk main

[fickle forge]

WoW, when you don't play setup, is a game of momentum.
There's a reason why you never saw melee cleaves without MS for the past 3 expansions or so

[sage raptor]

Rogue main rn actually

[fickle forge]

Rarely two non-MS melees were broken enough to form a comp

[graceful ginkgo]

Do we already know how many trophies of strife we can get per day/week?

[green wyvern]

You also lose a lot by taking disarm on fury

[bright stream]

leveled/geared a mage, a warrior, and a dk in that order (as a dk main)

have to say, dk feels so bad compared to the other two

its wild

[summer tiger]

He had the full right to ask you if you're retarded ngl. It is what it is.

[lean island]

Lol now try to gear a rogue

[mild thunder]

Based king

[green wyvern]

Fury nerf is gigantic if you have to run ms

people are just delusional

[bright stream]

rogue could heal enemies with their attacks and still be better than most melee lmao

[green wyvern]

if you dont have to run ms the nerf is whatever

[bright stream]

the balance going into this season is disgusting, worst I've seen since 4.3

[green wyvern]

aka feral/fury or demo/fury

36% ms lasts for less than a global

24% lasts for 4 seconds

assuming you have full uptime

[lean island]

And class like dh have 25% forever 🙂

[green wyvern]

from the best ms in the game to the worst 🙂

[summer tiger]

What's up with people shitting on arms wall btw lmao ? Biggest thing I've heard said is "you get disarmed and can't parry kekw!" yeah well you get disarmed and can't heal on fury either, so kind of a moot statement ngl.

[mild thunder]

Arms slander should be bannable fr fr

[summer tiger]

Good, fuck fury having a good ms, straight up remove it.

[green wyvern]

I think fury is dead in most melee cleaves, except feral/fury

you will run arms/ret and arms/dk

[mild thunder]

Doomer furies are kinda cringe ngl

It’s still going to be perfectly fine

[lean burrow]

fury is not tacticool

[green wyvern]

Yeah but only in some comps

not everywhere

it's more niche now

[mild thunder]

You literally just said it’s dead in all comps except for kitty

[green wyvern]

Yeah I said it's perfectly fine in some comps

which is kitty

maybe demo/fury

maybe ww/fury

dh/fury

the traditional comps like ret/warr and turbo and tsg

are kinda dead for fury

[mild thunder]

Also don’t know where you’re getting these from

[green wyvern]

tested it myself with full haste gear

it's outside of burst cds

also that was done with improper rotation, meaning I was prioritising rampage over bloodbath

[sage raptor]

Ripppp

[lean burrow]

Arms being giga squishy is actually in line with its fantasy

because commanders are squishy

[lean island]

Wow I didn’t expect was so bad

[severe skiff]

The weekly quest on beta gave 4 I believe