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gritty salmon
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People like you bitch about pvp dying and you wanna kill it further

graceful ginkgo
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DH will finally die as of Wednesday

quick carbon
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When you can play a spec with a donkey Kong bongo drum gamecube controller, that means the spec is absolutely downy

gritty salmon
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Mate it’s the same people aswell

craggy socket
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DH is fine

graceful ginkgo
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Especially to phys DPS

severe skiff
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When all you have to do is follow a target pressing 1 and 2, you shouldn't be rewarded with one of the strongest melee specs in pvp.

hot solstice
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Imagine fury brain when he lucky bladestorms cc…oh w8 they don’t have one now

mild thunder
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unironic fury mains sadge

severe skiff
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you can have fury, just shouldn't be as effective as it is

gritty salmon
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Why

craggy socket
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All the people hating on fury better be 2400+ if its that easy

main barn
severe skiff
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because its low investment and mindless play

graceful ginkgo
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Finally I can level my Arms alt and not feel like trolling

gritty salmon
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None of you had made a coherent point as to why it shouldn’t , all I’m hearing is “I don’t like how the spec plays therefore it doesn’t deserve to be good”

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This is just some subjective jerking

graceful ginkgo
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It’s too good. It got nerfed. Easy

mild thunder
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because low investment specs shouldnt be as potent as specs that have/require more skill

quick carbon
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specs like fury that are only good when they’re overtuned because they lack the tools to bring anything meaningful to a composition other than busted damage/healing

sterile carbon
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Bruh I'm not offended by arms or fury I just like warrior and play what is fun to me. It must be tiring being this offended by such small things in life

quick carbon
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Shouldn’t be good

gritty salmon
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What does that even mean are you saying that r1 Dhs were low skill people @quick carbon

graceful ginkgo
mild thunder
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its fine for those specs to exist - but those specs shouldnt have crazy self-healing, MW effects, tankiness and damage baked into two buttons

graceful ginkgo
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🤡

gritty salmon
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Because DH has also been easy as hell

severe skiff
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A good player can play a busted spec, it doesn't mean the spec isn't busted

quick carbon
gritty salmon
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Once again why does the spec need to be complex, it’s horrible game design to make classes complicated to play

gritty salmon
severe skiff
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Someone get mud in here to defend fury war, they need a proper champion, a true fury main

gritty salmon
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It’s as easy

quick carbon
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it’s a horrible game design to make classes take 2 buttons to play lmao

craggy socket
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Omg shut the fuck up

quick carbon
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LITERAL 2 button rotation

mild thunder
gritty salmon
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I main a FDK, it’s literally 5% harder

craggy socket
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yall are cringe as hell

mild thunder
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it just means MORE THAN 2 BUTTONS

quick carbon
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frost dk hits more than 2 buttons too LMAO

craggy socket
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Have you guys even seen a women in months?

gritty salmon
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But it’s extremely easy rotation

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Like most specs are very very easy to follow

craggy socket
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touch some grass and some titties

gritty salmon
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And that’s what it should be

quick carbon
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and fury is just the easiest

mild thunder
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there's a difference between "easy to follow"

graceful ginkgo
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How can anyone actually defend fury being OP

mild thunder
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and bt > bt > bt > ramp repeat

quick carbon
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fury warrior mains so cringe

gritty salmon
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Also these points are moot because the same people would be bitching if fury was a tad bit harder

mild thunder
graceful ginkgo
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Clown spec, 2 buttons, unpeelable 40% Ms while unkillable

gritty salmon
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Like let’s not pretend you whine about fury because it’s too easy

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You whine because it overtook your precious arms spec

craggy socket
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imagine coming to warrior discord to bitch about warriors

gritty salmon
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And it’s extremely hard for you to handle that

quick carbon
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fury isn’t even warrior

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it’s cringe spec

graceful ginkgo
severe skiff
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The difference is you can tell when you're playing vs a dogshit WW for example, You can't tell the diff between a 1800 fury and a 2400 fury.

craggy socket
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really bc its a warrior spec

gritty salmon
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I know that because I’ve seen arms people do it constantly for expansions

mild thunder
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id love to play fury, if it wasnt the most braindead retard spec in history

gritty salmon
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Especially in this discord

mild thunder
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if they brought back WoD fury, id enjoy it

quick carbon
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WOD FURY WAS BASED

craggy socket
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Let me guess you play mage?

hot solstice
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Fury? Isn’t it vorgen panda vulpera thing?

copper hare
graceful ginkgo
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Now is the time to switch to fury, it will be good but not ridiculously overtuned

restive nimbus
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maybe i can be gud at pvp with fury 😄

gritty salmon
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If you wanna make fury harder then make arguements that make it harder , instead of saying “huge nerf make fury unplayable”

mild thunder
copper hare
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no offense though

gritty salmon
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I don’t main fury, I main Dk, issue is FDK is becoming and has become unplayable

quick carbon
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rating bashing is uncool bro

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so uncool

restive nimbus
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i havent even been to 2k guys

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can i play fury ?

gritty salmon
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I’m fine with playing garbage specs

severe skiff
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apparently not

mild thunder
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i played like <300 games and still climbed, but okay chief okayge
if you cant read the messages from people saying fury should be 2 buttons and still strong, thats a you problem

gritty salmon
restive nimbus
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it was half joke what i said but thanks for the answer

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not sure how we gonna play now with tha ms change

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if we still run it or not

copper hare
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Can't really expect much from people with weeb pictures

quick carbon
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this is supposed to be a place of knowledge and we have rating bashing taking place 😔

gritty salmon
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The issue is that people want to make it “harder” by nerfing it to unplayability

mild thunder
gritty salmon
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The MS nerf isn’t nice but it’s still very very decent

mild thunder
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truee, pepe images are so much more original and based

gritty salmon
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You have to take the nerf into account of other specs

copper hare
gritty salmon
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DH got massive nerf

copper hare
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you're delusional

gritty salmon
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Warlocks got nerf

quick carbon
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Who would do that

sterile carbon
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Fury is great. I'm a casual player and too old to use too much brain power when playing a game these days. Luckily I don't have complexity issues and don't need to press more buttons to make my peen bigger

mild thunder
gritty salmon
quick carbon
gritty salmon
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Where you have to sweat specs just to deserve playability

severe skiff
copper hare
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Arms mains, fury mains, can't you just start playing whatever you like without being a cringe mf

mild thunder
graceful ginkgo
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the MS should've been nerfed harder imho

quick carbon
graceful ginkgo
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Fury got off easy compared to DK

gritty salmon
steep inlet
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It worked again

mild thunder
gritty salmon
steep inlet
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He is cursed

gritty salmon
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Some went fury some went Dh

quick carbon
gritty salmon
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Frost dk is unplayable

graceful ginkgo
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DK might get buffed again

gritty salmon
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Mate you genuinely have zero clue

graceful ginkgo
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they seem kinda bad now, idk

quick carbon
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unholy dk is fine

severe skiff
gritty salmon
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Mes is literally one of the strongest dks pvp wise

quick carbon
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I play one I feel fine in it

gritty salmon
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And he benched

mild thunder
quick carbon
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I feel fine on my dk idk

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Just me tho

severe skiff
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nobody cares that people play fury war, they care how bad they are allowed to play and still be effective. same with BM hunters

mild thunder
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2 button specs shouldnt do as much in those 2 buttons as other classes do in an actual rotation

quick carbon
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Preach to them

gritty salmon
quick carbon
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they’re typing holy fuck

gritty salmon
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This is a moot point

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An. S tier spec will almost always require less skill to win in comparison to a D tier spec

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This isn’t rocket science to figure out

mild thunder
copper hare
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if you really care that other people get easier rating than you by playing a certain spec with low skill cap than blame blizzard and stop shaming people, it's not their fault that you guys don't break 1.8 tbh

gritty salmon
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If your class or spec is heavily unbalanced, it will by definition require less effort and skill to beat others

severe skiff
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which is why people want it tuned down

urban skiff
quick carbon
severe skiff
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because you can punish a shit arms war heavily

gritty salmon
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That’s why some specs dominate some season ladders over others

graceful ginkgo
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so guys

gritty salmon
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There was not one single frost dk on the ladder in last season of shadowlands is that because there weren’t any good frost dks or is it because the spec was unplayable

graceful ginkgo
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consensus on Arms racial? DI or Human?

gritty salmon
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Human

quick carbon
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human is bis mog

severe skiff
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Gnome for arms for sure!

quick carbon
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human for the mog game

severe skiff
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Sin still super nasty tho dwarf much worth

copper hare
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if you have a big P you go gnome

quick carbon
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Gnome mogs are so cringe

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like gnome mogs are actually disgusting

mild thunder
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fem nelf > all other races

graceful ginkgo
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i honestly like gnome looks as well

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i have a 60 human and 60 gnome

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hmm

severe skiff
gritty salmon
quick carbon
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the best warrior race as far as looks in the entire game is Tauren no cap

copper hare
quaint snow
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fury doenst bring the best MS in the game anymore and now they bring a bad MS that expires…. WERE FUCKED

mild thunder
mild thunder
quick carbon
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stop talking about the actual game and talk about warrior mogs @quaint snow

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Tauren mogs are just bis

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As fuck

gritty salmon
restive nimbus
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why play human warr? you just use racial and get 2 dps trinkets? or?

gritty salmon
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In comparison to many S tier specs we got off relatively easy

quick carbon
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u play human warrior for the mogs

restive nimbus
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sorry if i make super noob questions, i am noob:P

quick carbon
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that’s it

graceful ginkgo
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human is flexible, can choose any trinket combo i guess

mild thunder
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this is a transmog channel now! Rampage

gritty salmon
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@restive nimbus You don’t have to spend on medallion

quick carbon
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goodnight my fellow arms warrior enthusiasts

gritty salmon
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Can get a Health trinket instead

quick carbon
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And you fury weirdos

gritty salmon
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Which helps survivability

mild thunder
lean burrow
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I've googled arms' rotation because I kinda forgot, why are all guides saying to slam instead of using overpower at 2 charges?

restive nimbus
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thanks so its really minor difference

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nothing huge

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like getting 2 dps trinks

mild thunder
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only press slam if 0 stacks of OP and MS on CD, and you have enough rage to MS when it comes up

lean burrow
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yeah it was easy in SL because enduring blow made mortal strike best button

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but apparently now in pve people MS only to refresh deep wounds

gritty salmon
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Whenever I meet whatever arms who play I feel like they don’t know what they are supposed to hit this expansion

mild thunder
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MS still best button, there's just weird counter-interactions because of ToM

mild thunder
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if battlelord, then OP is high prio
if no battlelord, then OP is bottom prio

lean burrow
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what if MS procs MS, and now I've got OP 2 charges and MS without buffs?

gritty salmon
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All tanks got nerfed

gritty salmon
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Rogue , Dh, warlocks priests nerfed

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Fury nerfed

mild thunder
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always MS > OP

gritty salmon
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Gonna be an interesting season

copper hare
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that's a good sign

lean burrow
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ty

gritty salmon
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I mean we all knew fury would get nerfed

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But in relative to other specs I think it could have been far worse

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Every S tier spec self healing got nerfed

urban skiff
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losing stacking ms was probably the biggest hit to fury

gritty salmon
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Yea

copper hare
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it was the only hit to fury

urban skiff
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we can do fine without oppressive selfheals, but have to work 3x as hard to do any ms effect

gritty salmon
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It’s budget version of MS

graceful ginkgo
gritty salmon
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They did

green wyvern
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watch as assa rogue kites you to oblivion and you barely keep up 4 stacks KEKW

gritty salmon
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DH got massively nerfed

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Jesus

gritty salmon
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All that is DH

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Guardian tank also got massive nerf thank god

steep inlet
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We saw all this yeah

gritty salmon
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@copper hare Tanks in blizzard forum are literally rampaging now

neat atlas
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random bgs and 2s double dps skirms may have skewed public perception a bit in terms of class strength

green wyvern
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braindead tank players

lean burrow
copper hare
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Yeah some of those were weird, brewmaster was already dead bottom

lean burrow
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63 likes keks

gritty salmon
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Wow forums are schizophrenic yesterday everyone wanted to nerf tanks lmfao

mild thunder
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why should i have to rely on healers in a team-game? copium

graceful ginkgo
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tanks are gonna be just fine in pve

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and hopefully shit in pvp

gritty salmon
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@lean burrow Lmfao

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Guy started a whole thread

waxen knot
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It has to be the same guy

mild thunder
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unity has been achieved

gritty salmon
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I mean guardian Druid was

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Yea something else

steep inlet
sage raptor
gritty salmon
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Oh shit

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It’s about to get serious

mild thunder
quaint snow
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DO WHAT THE TANK SAYS OR LEAVE THE PARTY. PERIOD.

mild thunder
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jokes on him, my tanks are never nice and cuddly

copper hare
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These are my favorite kind of casual players, legit had a tank standing around afk after I pulled some mobs in a m0, he said "play your role", we finished it without him, these guys really living in a different dimension I swear

sage raptor
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My tanking has always been "you tank what you pull" and the Demon Huntards get mad when I tell my gf not to heal them.

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Because

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They're tanking what they pull

copper hare
sage raptor
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How is that copium

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It's a very simple rule

mild thunder
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someone makes a mistake or whatever, just take aggro and heal them

sage raptor
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Well obviously there are exceptions

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Accidents happen

mild thunder
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and if you're a tank thats pulling 1 pack at a time and wasting your DPS' time, yea im gonna pull for you

sage raptor
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But you don't accidentally dash into multiple mobs throughout the key.

sage raptor
lean burrow
copper hare
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100% he is one of the tanks that sits there with 100% hp all the time pulling one mob

sage raptor
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Because you won't be getting heals

mild thunder
sage raptor
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True

lean burrow
quaint snow
thick reef
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F for Fury i guess

gritty salmon
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Fury will be better then arms for season 1

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I think arms will be S tier by season 2 or at latest season 3

keen basalt
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I don't get the not refreshing stacks nerf

thick reef
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thats really dumb ye

keen basalt
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Completely gutting the reason you would bring a fury to arena ?

thick reef
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they essentially just gutted ur MS

graceful ginkgo
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how is it gutted if you cant spam 40% ms lol

gritty salmon
# mild thunder how..?

It’s a guess but I think they will constantly buff arms similar to fury in shadowlands

keen basalt
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No you can't as it will reset every 9 secs

gritty salmon
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Fury was like the worst melee spec in season 1 shadowlands

mild thunder
gritty salmon
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Then MS came out

keen basalt
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And ramp up again and agaib

gritty salmon
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And then tier set

thick reef
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its not the 40% its the fact that u cant have the 40% on demand

gritty salmon
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And it became god tier

thick reef
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u will have ur stacks fall off

mild thunder
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they're buffing damage, which means they're too retarded to realise that defensives are the issue

summer tiger
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tbf damage was dogshit pre mortal strike buffs, and still is less than fury by all means

gritty salmon
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I think it will get buffed tho

gritty salmon
graceful ginkgo
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double BS into spear seems strong

summer tiger
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meant buffs sorry

gritty salmon
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With bloodrage and how quick we get rampages now

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We can still sustain a decent MS

summer tiger
viscid folio
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Is there new nerfs coming? i heard from someone but i cant seem to find any

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beside hotfixes from yesterday

thick reef
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i think it will be really friggin clunky let me tell ya

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i hate it

gritty salmon
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Big nerfs for many specs

thick reef
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and also its down to 27% ms effect now

summer tiger
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hope to god preservation evoker gets nerfed before arena opens

viscid folio
solemn kelp
graceful ginkgo
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pretty sure healers will see tuning as well

gritty salmon
thick reef
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the only healer tuning needed is those dragon people

gritty salmon
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At max

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It’s 12 x 3

thick reef
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its 3% 9 stacks no?

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is it 12 stacks

gritty salmon
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Nah it’s 12 sticks

thick reef
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oh duration is 9

gritty salmon
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Stacks

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Duration is 9

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Yea

graceful ginkgo
gritty salmon
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As I said with blood rage

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We can have a good MS

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Look we all knew fury would get nerfed

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Everyone and their mother

thick reef
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bruh i was watching wargames against kitty cleave with shaman healer @graceful ginkgo

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holy fuck

gritty salmon
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The question was “how much”

thick reef
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those guys have so much dmg now

gritty salmon
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And the answer in comparison to other specs not so much

summer tiger
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I want it to get nerfed even harder tbh so arms can be meta and be looked at more

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ngl

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fuck fury

gritty salmon
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Once again this is a fallacy

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Don’t fall for it

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What could end up happening is both specs suck

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Like DK

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With one spec doing a little bit better

summer tiger
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unholy does NOT suck lol

gritty salmon
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Unholy is meh

summer tiger
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look at petkick

gritty salmon
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I main FDK unholy is B tier

thorn herald
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@severe skiff yeah man that build trucks

solemn kelp
gritty salmon
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You will eat them for breakfast

thorn herald
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really shitty self survivability tho

graceful ginkgo
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i think both arms and fury will be fine in s1, fury maybe a bit stronger

gritty salmon
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Dks survivability made them unplayable @summer tiger

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Unironically

graceful ginkgo
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i am looking forward to it, playing turbo zug zug

thick reef
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because of the dmg profile fury is fine

gritty salmon
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The nerfs were huge

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They didn’t really nerf our damage like at all

thick reef
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ye

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it was just ms

gritty salmon
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10% less gushing wound but 1% more bloodbath

thick reef
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that got hit

summer tiger
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Idk man there's top dk players saying they're fine with the nerfs. Petkick being one of them. We will see once arena opens.

gritty salmon
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Most of our self heals come from enraged regeneration

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And impending

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Anyways

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We also have bitter immunity

solemn kelp
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Mes was feeling pretty down about DK yesterday

gritty salmon
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Mes is gonna bench

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His dk

thick reef
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ye but petkick is saying its fine

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maybne hes on copium but hes the better dk

gritty salmon
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Like jra think of it this way

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I main FDK I woke up one day and saw that our survivability got nerfed outright 60%

solemn kelp
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I wasn’t good on DK even when they were OP. Scared to jump back on it lol

summer tiger
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either way we can't tell shit till arena season starts

thick reef
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we go fdk arms tsg and cry together? sadga

gritty salmon
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Blizzard did a pearl harbour on dks

thick reef
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its fine my warr is my alt

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WW not touched

gritty salmon
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So is this fury,

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I knew ww would go under the radar

thick reef
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same

gritty salmon
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No one was talking about it

thick reef
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well we're still predictable but since we're minutewalkers

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but still

solemn kelp
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Is WW that strong? Haven’t really had much problem with them so far

thick reef
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we are one shotting everyone

summer tiger
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You guys should see ele sham and shadow priest as well kekw

gritty salmon
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They are very bursty

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Shadow priest got nerfed

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Somewhat

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DH got also massive nerf I don’t think you guys understand how much

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Imagine if this was fury lmfao

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I couldn’t even fit it in my phone there’s more

solemn kelp
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How are locks fairing? Idk much about them but it seems like they are still gonna be pretty strong. Didn’t seem to get hit all that much.

summer tiger
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ele untouched though and in terms of casters just out right one tapping me from 70% in dstance, ele is the only one

thick reef
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heal nerf 13th for warlocks

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hard to say

gritty salmon
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They are strong but their tankiness for nerfed which was needed

thick reef
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but aff is squishier then demo but demo doesnt die

gritty salmon
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Warlock was tankier then most plate classes

thick reef
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and had more mobility

solemn kelp
thick reef
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ele blast

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with stormkeeper

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u died

graceful ginkgo
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could need more

solemn kelp
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Oh that’s fair. I was thinking legit 1 tap like enh was doing for a bit.

gritty salmon
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Also arms honestly it’s garbage

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Like whenever I meet arms

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Once their parry is over they are dead meat

solemn kelp
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Let arms burn. Long live the zug

summer tiger
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I honestly haven't played shaman since MoP so I'm basically clueless how their dam works nowadays. But I'll legit die from 70% in 1 gcd and it's not stormkeeper.

gritty salmon
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Zug zug

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Wanna know something funny

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Arms and fury switched places

gritty salmon
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Remember fury S1 shadowlands

thick reef
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sorry but the arms people u r facing doesnt know whats up

copper hare
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because that doesn't sound true

thick reef
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ive been one shotting on arms since day one

copper hare
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ele is great, but current fury shits on ele

thick reef
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but because bleed meta arms is gonna get fucked

gritty salmon
thick reef
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but tide of blood is hitting 150k

solemn kelp
summer tiger
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I didn't say I can't beat them in 1v1 or smthin lol

lean burrow
thick reef
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not dying either with my retard mastery gear @gritty salmon like 500k healing per game

gritty salmon
thick reef
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QUote me here: Arms tide of blood will be good

gritty salmon
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Also what happened to ret paladins did they get forgotten by blizzard or some shit ?

summer tiger
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I honestly just feel like it's lavaburst procs in bgs cuz of flame shock spread. Cause fuckloads of lavaburst coming out of nowhere is what kills me most of the time.

solemn kelp
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Someone teach me how to get fury rotation down from 2 buttons to just 1. I’m tryna unga bunga even harder

steep inlet
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Rend pre nerfed already

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For this shit

gritty salmon
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You need rage

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Rage zug

median cipher
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can i macro pvp talents and if so how do i do it?

thick reef
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just all go WW

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thank me later

solemn kelp
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I feel like there is a way to make a macro to spam bloodthirst until rampage is up then it swaps to rampage.

summer tiger
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that might work

gritty salmon
solemn kelp
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But it’s taking my whole brain cell just to hit two buttons. No way my cave man brain will be able to craft a macro.

solemn kelp
gritty salmon
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Well

solemn kelp
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It’s a simple life.

gritty salmon
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Stick to 2s

sage raptor
gritty salmon
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Tunnel focus zug zug

solemn kelp
gritty salmon
median cipher
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i was wondering if you could macro deathwish with rampage or blood thrist

pearl prism
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Do you guys think Bruce Willis plays fury warrior in wow?

summer tiger
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try this

gritty salmon
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No but Vin diesel prolly does

summer tiger
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might work no cap

steep inlet
solemn kelp
copper hare
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you can't macro abilities that are on the same gcd together

sage raptor
steep inlet
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With booming voice nerf and SC nerf our prot burst took -35% dmg

copper hare
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idk what you're smoking but I want some of it

steep inlet
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popo

sage raptor
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no

steep inlet
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yes

sage raptor
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I did some work on your build

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its better now

solemn kelp
summer tiger
steep inlet
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lol

sage raptor
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I will show later

steep inlet
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and what is « better »

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you have 75 pts ? Because almost no point can move

thick reef
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did u guys see the guardian druid nerfs

#

hahah

gritty salmon
#

Yea

copper hare
#

If you don't wanna press your keybinds, maybe just get a dance pad like this guy lol

gritty salmon
#

They nerfed all tanks so all tanks will take more damage

steep inlet
#

and -35% dmg on shield charge is real popo

sage raptor
#

its very real

solemn kelp
gritty salmon
#

All in all I think the tuning was good

sage raptor
#

fortunately

thick reef
sage raptor
#

it matters less than one might think

#

it is an owchi oowie

solemn kelp
# thick reef fuck those players

I love that there was the one guy on reddit saying he always plays classes right before they get nerfed and he was gonna take one for the team and roll bear so blizz would nuke them. God bless

steep inlet
#

Yep

thick reef
#

what a hero

steep inlet
#

He is cursed

solemn kelp
#

A man of the people really

summer tiger
# summer tiger think about it more

Tries to cast rampage first, will fail if not enough rage, tries to cast bloodbath second, fails if rampage wasn't used recently, tries to cast bloothirst
Unless macros were changed in a significant way to block multiple /cast attemps on same gcd it should work

graceful ginkgo
#

so you only need 1 button for fury, instead of 2

solemn kelp
graceful ginkgo
#

bind it to up and down, just to make sure

summer tiger
#

yeah try it out legit might work lmao

#

but slam is used sometimes

graceful ginkgo
#

shit

summer tiger
#

and u can't rly macro it

graceful ginkgo
#

there goes the perfect plan

sage raptor
#

WoW crashed windows

solemn kelp
#

At my rank I could probably get by with just the macro. Tbf, I probably don’t even need bloodthirst in the bikini bottom ass tier I am

summer tiger
#

It's also pgood to keep bloodthirsting if someone's low sometimes

fickle forge
#

RIP in peace fury warr

summer tiger
#

it legit hits harder than rampage so of you have a bloodbath + bloodthrist leftover you'd rather use them than rampage

#

if someone's under 35%

lean burrow
#

truly a spec of one button

summer tiger
#

yeah and it's boring as fuck

#

more arms buffs please for the love of god

muted surge
#

Hey, good that def stance prob gonna stay unchanged

summer tiger
#

dh is actually preety fun this expac suprisingly enough, it finally has utility to do setups proper, the fear was a big addition

#

atm dh is legit warrior but better in every single way, except no intervene

#

your fear is ranged, you have a better stormbolt (no travel time) , ranged kick, better mobility, same cleave orientated playstyle, extra stun

steep inlet
#

No

summer tiger
#

Intervene is just such a good fucking button I can't play without it tho

steep inlet
#

Fury = DH with both nerfs

fickle forge
#

Also the fact that fury can get stunned around 5 pillars and 80 yd from his healer, and still live

#

DH dies in bomb

vital cedar
# solemn kelp A man of the people really

"Unless macros were changed in a significant way to block multiple /cast attemps on same gcd it should work" yea they were changed 15 years ago on the release of bc

woven niche
#

whats our stat prio/enchants for both fury and arms?

muted surge
#

How big is the heal nerf on fury?

fickle forge
#

Big

solemn kelp
fickle forge
#

Slaughter is the real nerf

muted surge
#

How long do uou need to get 12 stacks tho

vital cedar
#

you could castsequence it maybe but that might fuck up depending on whether bloodbath is up

muted surge
#

8 was pretty fast i think?

fickle forge
#

3 Rampages and then you can enjoy the last 3 seconds of the debuff, at less power than pre-nerf

vital cedar
#

3 rampages assuming none of them are dodged/parried (dunno if it even can be)

fickle forge
#

Stack it up again when it falls off

summer tiger
#

Thank god for that though, fury having a better MS than arms just didn't sit well with me.

#

ngl

muted surge
#

Sounds good tho

#

Less self healing, worse ms

#

Mightt make arms viable

#

Without gutting fury

fickle forge
#

It might just straight up kill fury though

#

40% MS was the selling point

summer tiger
#

The huge ammount of burst cleave and self healing too

#

It just did everything better than arms ngl

green wyvern
#

Yeah I think this is potentially a huge nerf

graceful ginkgo
#

everyone does

green wyvern
#

like you have 9 seconds to cast a lot of globals

summer tiger
#

agreed

green wyvern
#

and if enemy isnt an ape and can kite you

fickle forge
summer tiger
#

It also did just more damage in general.

muted surge
#

Higher cleave

summer tiger
#

No ?

muted surge
#

More dps

summer tiger
#

Ye

fickle forge
#

Ngl, I think arms hits harder rn

#

Don't @ me

summer tiger
#

In a single hit sure

fickle forge
#

In general

graceful ginkgo
#

i've been hit for 70-80k with MS and > 100k exeutes by Arms on my enhance

#

so that seems ok?

muted surge
#

Enhance <3

summer tiger
#

Like I've done lots of testing on the pvp dummy specifically seeing consistant dam. My fury does like 38k dps, arms is at 34k.

graceful ginkgo
#

after dbts arms is kinda squishy, jeah

muted surge
#

Your uptime is prob higher on fury as you dont need to chicken to survive

summer tiger
#

Im bgs arms does same cleave as fury pmuch with the right build but like, fury does it in 4 gcds, arms takes a while.

#

So idk

fickle forge
#

Arms is definitely the superior cleave spec

muted surge
#

For sustained cleave?

fickle forge
#

Yes

#

Sweeping is one of the best abilities in the game

#

+75% dmg for your meter right there

#

😎👍

summer tiger
#

It does more over time sure, but you don't rly get people to stack much esp if you're not playing some variation of tsg.

fickle forge
#

Any melee cleave will stack

summer tiger
#

Fury being able to reck avatar, rampage, roar, rampage,odyns,rampage. And that being 100% of people's hp of everyone around you, assuming they don't press CDs I think is way more valuable in a pvp environment.

green wyvern
#

Nah

#

you overestimate bleed

fickle forge
#

No different than WB, Avatar, spear, BS/sweep

green wyvern
#

fury's strongest weapon was 40% ms

#

it's pmuch gone now

#

at higher ratings nobody will allow you to stack 12 stacks in 9 seconds

#

even if you manage to stack it, it will last for 2-3 seconds max

#

arms hits way harder

summer tiger
#

I feel like fury will just be played without slaughter, and someone else will cover MS

#

and it'll still be meta

green wyvern
#

I don't think so, but will see

fickle forge
#

Think you just underestimate arms damgur

summer tiger
#

yeah we'll see

fickle forge
#

But all good

summer tiger
#

I'm honestly hoping arms is better

fickle forge
#

I'm gonna make the fattest hot take and say arms is now better

#

Even if it dies easier

green wyvern
#

well Exzi is practicing arms

summer tiger
#

I hope so man, cause fuck playing this dogshit PvE spec in pvp

green wyvern
#

in wargames rn

muted surge
#

But the real question is: is arms better than prot?

summer tiger
#

Fury is so bad I s2g

green wyvern
#

he prpbably thinks arms is better

fickle forge
#

Next up they'll make fury wall not usable in a stun, see then we'd be approaching a less foolproof spec

summer tiger
#

I just don't understand why they gave fury an MS in the first place

mild thunder
#

because arms was already becoming bad

muted surge
fickle forge
#

Because fury was Z-tier before

mild thunder
#

dh, warr, hunter and ww are the only specs that should have an ms

fickle forge
#

Never played and forever unviable

mild thunder
#

and only arms should have a >25% ms

summer tiger
muted surge
#

Only arms has a mortal strike :3

mild thunder
#

you cant limit MS to arms, thats just stupid af'

summer tiger
#

as a few examples

fickle forge
#

I mean I don't entirely agree, but I get what you mean

green wyvern
#

Hot take: some specs shouldnt be played in pvp

#

like demo and fury

fickle forge
#

Specs like fury and BM hunter are usually only good when they're overtuned on numbers

#

PvE specs is what they are

mild thunder
#

all specs should be playable, but 2 specs of the same class shouldnt fill the same niche

#

arms and fury shouldnt really be interchangeable in the same comp

summer tiger
#

You see the reason I think only one spec should be viable is exactly because of how they're made in the first place.

#

look at unholy dk for example

#

it's just better utility wise for pvp, had the option of kiting when needed excetera

#

only reason frost is ever better is cause it just parses better literally

#

and so all of dk's skill cap goes down the drain cause your meta spec now is some PvE dogwater spec that's just loaded with damage

#

I really don't think that's fun for the player playing that spec, and it's not fun to play against on the recieving end either cause there's no real thought behind it.

mild thunder
#

i 100% disagree with your take 🙂

fickle forge
#

Tbf, the DK specs have at least some different niches

#

Frost DK fks melee cleaves and UDK fks casters

#

FDK + arms TSG when it goes right just makes you feel like you're playing the next expansion

summer tiger
#

Yeah, although that's mostly after blizz's design perspective changed and they started trying to make it pvp viable post legion.

#

If they still had their same ways of thinking we'd be still just looking at unholy dk and that's it. Idk, might be a boomer take. I've just played MoP for like 5 years in total (pservers). And seeing what are, in my head essentially PvE specs running rampant / being meta in pvp just disgusts me.

#

Just my personal opinion though

sage raptor
#

I feel Unholy and Frost have completely different roles

lean burrow
#

frost - kid who is given unplugged controller

sage raptor
#

You don't play TWD with unholy because frost can set up goes easier. Frost is generally easier for more specs to work with.

#

Whereas you wouldn't dream of fdk-demo

sage raptor
mystic barn
#

unholy has sleet now tho

#

dont need fwf

#

for the setup

sage raptor
#

Sleet isn't the only thing used

#

I'm not 1000% certain

#

But I do know

thorn lichen
#

I dont understand why everyone crying that fury is OP, and i legit feel like it is kinda meh

raw blaze
#

RIP Fury. Any one mind sharing the ARMS pvp spec. Time to dust off that muscle memory

wooden grove
sage raptor
#

Feels weird being back in the same health pool

fickle forge
#

Maybe now DH is killable as well

wooden grove
fickle forge
#

Good thing fury is garbage 😎👍

wooden grove
#

also true

#

but DH lmao

thorn lichen
#

Sometimes i fell i cant do anything to priest as fury even with the 40% heal reduction

thorn lichen
wooden grove
#

honestly lmao

steep inlet
#

u didnt see nerfs ?

#

:/

#

prot war took -25% on shield charge

#

biggest burst

#

and -10% dmg

#

and nerf to tankyness too

#

y and def stance

wooden grove
#

remember when we said buff things up to fury dont nerf fury down or warr becomes a shit class?

#

big oof

crimson holly
#

Def stance doesn’t change for pvp

steep inlet
#

overall the biggest nerf

#

is total -35% dmg to burst

#

wtf

#

never play shockwave in pvp

#

DR stun everywhere

#

yep but guardian was massive

sage raptor
#

You want DR stuns? Play leap stun pvp talent lol

steep inlet
#

i didnt relly on that for my prot dont worry

wooden grove
#

good fuck tanks in pvp

steep inlet
#

yep but guardian was massively busted

wooden grove
#

they all got nerfs pretty sure

#

fuck em all

#

get out of pvp

#

good basically a healer anyway

foggy matrix
#

Arms feels like a legit wet paper towel

wooden grove
#

main complaint of arms is paper

#

so they nerf fury sustain heal and ms

#

so that arms is better than fury but warriors are paper now

#

WARRIORS

#

paper

#

lmao

thorn lichen
#

whats the diferent between diferent "quality level" weapon enchantments? if the procs give the same stats lol?

sage raptor
wooden grove
summer tiger
wooden grove
thorn lichen
#

Do anyone has a BiS enchant list?

summer tiger
#

For pvp ? Idk man

#

classes got pruned so hard

sage raptor
wooden grove
#

comparatively

#

to Frost

fickle forge
#

Good.

summer tiger
wooden grove
summer tiger
#

rune reworks killed the class for ke

#

used to require some brainpower

#

now it doesn't

wooden grove
#

tbh i would probably sim rings maybe weapons too

summer tiger
#

I like hard stuff

#

Idk

wooden grove
#

i bet you do bruv

summer tiger
#

Ah ofc first thing that comes to your minds is that

#

insane

wooden grove
#

woyer

sage raptor
#

I mean

#

You say you want hard stuff

#

Yet you're playing warrior

#

None of these classes are hard

muted surge
#

No class is hard

sage raptor
#

Play SMF and make it hard

#

SMF mastery build

clever swallow
#

anyone got a tested pvp build that wanna share ?

summer tiger
#

I think arms warrior has a pbig skill cap in pvp, bladestorming cc, intervening blind, knowing good banner timings n such. There's a huge difference between a good warrior and a bad one just from that utility alone.

#

I used to main rogue and then mage though just bored of em now

wooden grove
#

idk man i think classes that are well scripted in pvp doesn't equate to the difficulty of playing moonlight sonata in an arena

wheat jay
#

Difficulty of the class comes from how many things you can do in arena

#

Not from rotation

wheat jay
#

And yet, most people fail even at rotation

summer tiger
#

wow pvp was never about doing ur damage proper, that should be automatic and that's your downtime

#

if you fail at doing damage there's a huge problem in your play

wheat jay
#

Then there's other things like positioning

#

Predicting

#

Etc

summer tiger
#

mhm

fickle forge
#

Now imagine you have a spec who's only win condition is damage and the rotation is 2 buttons
That's SL fury

wheat jay
#

Some things you have to either predict, or make impossible for enemy to do with just positioning

#

@fickle forge i wish squadov worked, id send that gamę against ret/warr i just sat behind pillar xD

granite cradle
#

i wish there was only one button that i could keep pressing to win in pvp

#

fury warrior has too many buttons

wheat jay
#

And their whole go was ruined

#

They tried to go on me so many times and got denied so hard

summer tiger
#

Knowing how to play out of disadvantageous positions is also a huge thing. Sometimes your healer has to trink when blind is still up, and now you need to play around them having that win condition.

#

Stuff like that is what makes a player

#

and is why pvp is so fun in the first place

wheat jay
#

I mean, best to avoid such stuff

#

But sometimes your dps just trinkets root solar Beam when he has 3 ways to break the root

summer tiger
#

That's just wow in general. Somehow this game's overall playerbase just barely improves.

summer tiger
#

I swear there is no other game where the players are as bad as on here.

#

i just don't know why

wheat jay
#

SweatPopcorn i know right

fickle forge
#

Yeah imagine doing that

#

Couldn't be anyone I know

#

I'd drop em'

wheat jay
#

Same lol

leaden inlet
#

actually is better to play fury or arm in pvp ?

#

arms better vs rogue dh etc... ?

stark agate
#

Fury easier, arguably better

leaden inlet
#

and fury vs the other one no ?

summer tiger
#

up for debate still, wait till season comes out imo

#

Meta will show itself in time

leaden inlet
#

ok, so for arm in honor vendor stuff

#

it's full haste ?

#

haste/versa and crit for ring ?

warm kiln
#

What about the nerfs coming to Fury now ?

summer tiger
#

The nerfs are why it's up for debate rn, and I'm running versa->crit->haste on my arms rn but I can't say it's best. Doing pwell with it, haven't tested haste stacking.

fickle forge
summer tiger
#

I feel like it might be good to stack haste on more items till a certain % but it needs testing

fickle forge
#

Just pick haste on any conq item you can't pick crit on

#

Then you'll get an okay %

summer tiger
#

Yeah better gear will def fix it true

#

can't wait for arena to open man, bg / skirm spam is getting boring

#

just prayge healer evoker gets some tuning cause I don't wanna play in to dampening every game

soft idol
#

Nvm. Found it!

mystic barn
#

@full quiver fnoob

leaden inlet
summer tiger
#

it's more than that, more importantly slaughterhouse got nerfed

stuck mulch
#

i mean it was pretty broken

#

so was just a matter of time

#

its still a good reduce, and it will be up alot

fickle forge
#

Doubt that

#

I'm gonna be nice and say you can push 3 rampages in 6 seconds, so you can enjoy 3 seconds of 36% MS now

#

It's a fat nerf

quick carbon
#

It’s probably going to be better to not play slaughterhouse and play with another class with a permanent ms

fickle forge
#

Fury back to having KFC and WW+fury as their only comps kappa

quick carbon
#

fury’s ms if it’s even going to have one should just be flat 25%

north thicket
#

Let's stick to the facts, not what eventually could/should/might be.

What's the verdict on what we actually have in Arms and Fury after this tunning pass? In terms of Solo Shuffle and 3v3.

stuck mulch
#

dmg

quick carbon
#

There is no verdict yet because the season hasn’t started

#

you can’t say what’s better until the meta actually develops

mild thunder
#

fury is triple F dog swamp ass tier

severe basin
#

so wrong

#

wait did fury get nerfed

stuck mulch
quick carbon
#

yes lmao

severe basin
#

the fuck

#

someone link me that shit

mild thunder
#

defs not trolling dander

mild thunder
quick carbon
severe basin
mild thunder
quick carbon
#

They already did

mild thunder
#

all of em at once

quick carbon
#

They biggest change was the ms nerf for sure tho

stuck mulch
#

perma heal reduce? nah totally balanced copium

quick carbon
#

fury mains really think perma 40% ms is fine lmao

mild thunder
#

ngl fury should just have an 80% ms

#

100% uptime

quick carbon
#

fuck it

#

Fury should make their targets immune to healing

mild thunder
#

fuck it, fury should just auto-win games

#

that way they dont even have to press buttons

#

the perfect spec

quick carbon
#

When a warrior rampages you, your account should be instantly banned

stuck mulch
#

see a fury ur hp go - just by sight

mild thunder
#

watch fury mains defend it

quick carbon
#

they spent the last 2 weeks defending it

mild thunder
#

aCtUalLy iTs WeLl DeSiGnEd

thorn lichen
#

idk how was fury alst week

#

but this week i can tell fury is quite bad

quick carbon
#

What

stuck mulch
#

huh?

mild thunder
#

fury is still op as fuck this week

quick carbon
#

Fury’s been broken for months

#

Upon months

stuck mulch
#

nothing changed this week

thorn lichen
#

Man a fury

#

can even lower a sp hp down

mild thunder
#

tom hardy top text: that's bait

thorn lichen
#

cant*

quick carbon
#

listen bro, I fuck with your beard no cap but you’re smoking crack

zealous spear
#

Is this the wrong class discord
Did I slip in havocs

Not being happy about one of your class specs being strong is weird

mild thunder
#

we dont claim fury

#

it doesnt belong to us

quick carbon
#

idc if fury is strong, I care that it’s current iteration is ridiculous

stuck mulch
quick carbon
#

And broken beyond belief

gloomy beacon
#

If you want positivity you should go to the WW monk discord for once lol

mild thunder
#

nah i legit like fury, the current version is just omega cringe

quick carbon
#

rip wod fury

mild thunder
#

and trolling fury mains is the most fun ive had in ages

mild thunder
quick carbon
#

WOD FURY WAS SO BASED

stuck mulch
#

yea fury is fun i like 2 button specs

quick carbon
#

THE SUDDEN DEATH ONE SHOTS IN WOD MAN

#

WITH THE SIEGEBREAKER COMBO

mild thunder
#

remember guys, when fury pressed bt AND raging blow

quick carbon
#

LORD HAVE MERCY

mild thunder
#

imagine

quick carbon
#

remember when you’d win games because your sudden death crit with avatar recklessness

#

Wod fury was so prime

#

AND IT HAD MS

mild thunder
#

arms was shit in s1/2 of wod, but i was happy to play that version of fury

quick carbon
#

WITH WILD STRIKE

mild thunder
#

because it had actual buttons

quick carbon
#

arms was insane in wod hello

gloomy beacon
#

Rip wild strike

severe basin
#

what the fuck

mild thunder
#

i remember it was shit in like

#

one season

quick carbon
#

no it wasn’t

mild thunder
#

it was a decade ago okay

severe basin
#

they nerfed fury warrior

#

and warlock

mild thunder
#

i have bad memory

severe basin
#

this games shit

quick carbon
#

Arms was great the entire expansion

fickle forge
quick carbon
#

LF WOD TURBO

fickle forge
#

Great times

mild thunder
#

i was like

#

12

fickle forge
quick carbon
mild thunder
#

siegebonker in EotS

#

we were the ele shaman okayge

fickle forge
#

12 sec Kidney

quick carbon
#

I have very fond memories of wod man

mild thunder
#

wod gearing :)))

quick carbon
#

My first 2k, and 2200 achieves were in wod

#

WOD TURBO

mild thunder
#

thank fuck wod gearing is back man

quick carbon
#

ITS TURBO TIME BOYS

#

execute does do damage

#

As arms

#

B)

mild thunder
#

execute does damage, just not as much as one button bloodthirst 🙂

quick carbon
#

sucks to suck then huh @thorn escarp

mild thunder
#

why move finger for new button when can keep finger on one button

quick carbon
#

I hit a spicy 110k execute today 🥵

mild thunder
quick carbon
#

YOU LOVE TO SEE IT

mild thunder
#

no

quick carbon
#

pikaboo put me on YouTube

#

for blasting him with

#

A 95k spear of bastion

#

The other day

#

💀

mild thunder
#

that makes me happy

fickle forge
#

Weak, did 110k spear

quick carbon
#

NEVER LET THE ARMS DREAM DIR

fickle forge
#

This is now

quick carbon
#

die

#

Ya I know

#

I’ve gotten 110ks too

mild thunder
#

cringe fury player doesnt get 100k exewcutes

quick carbon
#

We play arms bro

fickle forge
#

There's your issue

#

Fury

mild thunder
#

time to reroll

fickle forge
#

Exe for fury is a glorified Slam

quick carbon
fickle forge
#

165k

mild thunder
#

slam for fury is a glorified slam

quick carbon
#

mine is a cool 180k B)

fickle forge
#

With no externals

#

Full externals I did 240k

quick carbon
#

in a skirmish

#

It was 180k

#

no externals

fickle forge
#

That's pretty insane

#

Hurricane?

quick carbon
#

OH BABY

#

nope

#

Just executioners precision times 2

#

With double op

#

Sharpen

#

Colossus smash

#

Avatar

mild thunder
#

nerf arms pls 🙂 🙂 op class

quick carbon
#

and spear crit bonus

gloomy beacon
#

Arms isn’t feeling like it implodes for you? Lol

quick carbon
#

yea

#

That too

#

arms is definitely squishy yes

#

BUT IT FUCKIN PUUUUUMPS

formal creek
#

make d stance 20/20 again

quick carbon
#

I get 140k+ more often than you’d think

summer tiger
#

arms is fine with a healer, preferably resto druid so you can play more agressive

mild thunder
#

make d stance 100% damage reduction

quaint snow
#

nerf arms thanks

summer tiger
fickle forge
#

Purge purge purge purge

summer tiger
#

It is what it is

mild thunder
#

just spell reflect purge

quick carbon
#

HOW ABOUT THIS CHEESE BOYS LMAO

mild thunder
#

duh

summer tiger
#

Evoker popping off anyways

mild thunder
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definitely arms

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0 self-healing, kiteable, no sustain

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100% better solo spec

summer tiger
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tsg evoker might be nutty with the purge fire breath

quick carbon
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it’s just battlelord 25% overpower buff with 15% imp overpower talent

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With every cd

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And a crit

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and cloth armor

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ya

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U always go bladestorm

fickle forge
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Bladestorm too good to drop ever

quick carbon
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I can’t play wow without bladestorm

fickle forge
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Should be in any build you do

summer tiger
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no storm arms 💀

quick carbon
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like I can’t function without it

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if I lost bladestorm as arms

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I’d reroll

summer tiger
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100%

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yes