#pvp
gloomy beacon
mild thunder
i dont think blizz is the only dumb one here...
"my 2 button spec should also be able to full-heal whenever i want because i dont know how to use defensives"
peak crow
So am I reading right that Slaughterhouse falls off after 9 seconds no matter what?
brazen rock
fodder did, hard.
mild thunder
brazen rock
So am I reading right that Slaughterhouse falls off after 9 seconds no matter wh...
as worded, yes.
novel basalt
can someone explain MS nerf in gorilla terminology
low wren
there was a time fury didnt have ms and still performed we will be fine š
copper hare
can someone explain MS nerf in gorilla terminology
ooga booga, slaughterhouse weak, ugh ugh
gloomy beacon
Have fun
mild thunder
pls go ahead š
brazen rock
buddy, our healing is fine
low wren
lol
mild thunder
noooooo, its 2% instead of 3% we're bad nowwwwwwwwww
brazen rock
only on BT, not BB
gloomy beacon
I think we can probably assume itās both bt and bb
high creek
anyone got a good FC build? i grabbed most mobility things and any self heals
mild thunder
feral is a hybrid... wtf
brazen rock
It's two different abilities.
Why did they in the pve section specifiy BT and BB then?
mild thunder
because fury players have <room temp IQs and wouldnt know otherwise
low wren
LMAO
gloomy beacon
Prob just a missed note, kinda of like how rogue has one bullet that just says āAssassinationā
copper hare
only the dmg % changes I think, not the healing one. We will see on reset though
doesnt make a huge difference anyways
brazen rock
Read the whole fucking post
low wren
bro gushing is fine 10% aint shit
brazen rock
Locks got changes also
brazen rock
Christ on a fuck this discord is awful tonight
low wren
i feel like ppl are going overboard like we went from good to complete shit when thats not the case compared to some other classes
mild thunder
fury persay
low wren
exactly and i was killing locks as is im pretty sure fury is still the go 2
polar dock
I am getting routinely globaled by arcane
https://i.imgur.com/YYma2JZ.png
But they are totally fine
mild thunder
buddyu
arctic igloo
mild thunder
wtf is that ss
obsidian loom
is the mud fury build still pepega-meta
mild thunder
probably, but rb will likely be a bit more competitive now
polar jetty
anyone have a tree of where they put talent points
mild thunder
check pins
polar jetty
thx
main barn
"Bloodthirst now restores 2% of your health in PvP combat (was 3%)."
So we think bloodbath is untouched for healing? or they just left it out?
mild thunder
unsure, but it was probably nerfed too
main barn
well if that is the case, quite a nerf there
mild thunder
not really
main barn
how is a 33% nerf not a big nerf
mild thunder
fury still probably a low A tier
if they wanted people to play arms, they'd make it not dogshit
they nerfed fury because it needed nerfs g
copper hare
I still think that's my favorite pve compensate buff of all time
Bloodthirst damage increased by 1%.
Bloodbath damage increased by 1%.
I laughed so loud at this
mild thunder
because thats arms' niche and thats what people have been calling for for ages
if by truck you mean a hotwheels toy truck, sure
100k is like 30% hp, thats not even that OP
brazen rock
I laughed so loud at this
It's funny because in raid they're still doghouse tier
10% aura would barely bring up up enough to compete with havoc
wispy drum
Screenshots please.
copper hare
both arms and fury are worse in single target with full single target builds than other specs with aoe builds
xd
mild thunder
tbf a 10% aura would probably come close to breaking fury damage in m+
copper hare
so glad I'm maining sham in pve this expansion
brazen rock
Sham mains are cursed and you know it
mild thunder
no, its destroyed, its DOGSHIT now because it got 1% and 10% nerfs, its absolutely useless
its basically FFFF++ tier
low wren
^^
brazen rock
main barn
didnt realize how many people here are illiterate
pallid sentinel
mild thunder
arms should heal 10% on mortal strike and 30% during dbs tbh
sage raptor
I am getting routinely globaled by arcane
https://i.imgur.com/YYma2JZ.png
But th...
your image is sick
mild thunder
execute should also be a oneshot
sage raptor
it needs ibuprofen
copper hare
if they'd unbug slaughterhouse so it would actually overwrite other ms effects the new change wouldn't be that bad when you could still play with other ms specs like dh/feral/rogue etc
brazen rock
if they'd unbug slaughterhouse so it would actually overwrite other ms effects t...
its simple, play with ms spec, dont use slaughterhouse
copper hare
But now you have to chose between your dogshit ms or your mates 20-25% constant ms
brazen rock
kitty cleave is still gonna be disgusting
copper hare
fury sp probably aswell
brazen rock
carried by SP being absolutely bonkers tbh
mild thunder
warr/spri is fun
regal locust
These nerfs arnt bad right?
mild thunder
no, its destroyed, its DOGSHIT now because it got 1% and 10% nerfs, its absolutely useless
its basically FFFF++ tier
regal locust
Doesnāt seem that bad š
wheat crane
Slaughters prob just not gonna be reliable
copper hare
who wants to blast a bg
zenith marlin
Right so back to PvE for me
twin sinew
slaught got gutted
zenith marlin
I like how they shit the nerf numbers, its always an arbitrary round number
they could have nerved 0.5% idk 1.13% why 1%
Its just evidence that they don't even sim or anything
zenith marlin
the thing was 3% for a decade
mild thunder
more likely mid-low A tier
honest sleet
Question
mild thunder
yes, and? it needed to be nerfed... its 2%, its literally not a big deal
still heals 22% during enraged regen
honest sleet
Why is it that I insta die in bgs? I need like 2 or 3 more pvp gears but man
zenith marlin
they can delete the healing from the pvp talent
honest sleet
I die so quick
tawdry totem
What nerfs are we talking about? Where are the patch notes
zenith marlin
@honest sleetu are fighting 411 ilvl broken classes
regal locust
Bro you should try a DK out and see how quick you die
mild thunder
kinda hard to answer that question about bgs... can be so many different factors
tight hollow
Anyone have the BT fury PvP meme image? Where's it's just BT like 15 times then rampage?
Was trying to find it but can't
regal locust
2% from 3% is nothing. DKs got gutted by 50%
zenith marlin
brb checking what happened to DKs
mild thunder
fury mains are so doomer, its pre funny ngl
tawdry totem
What nerfs?
zenith marlin
what was the dk patch note š couldn't find
bloodthirst heal fell to 2% from 3% cuz ppl who can't kite complained
honest sleet
Also DH is on crack too
mild thunder
bro howww, even Mud was calling fury out for needing nerfs
honest sleet
Was in a bg with one he did 18m damage wtfff
mild thunder
its pretty well-established that the self-healing was dumb af
zenith marlin
u guys act play pvp, I do mostly 1v1s in open world man
honest sleet
Itās funny people wanted warriors heals nerfed and meanwhile Iām needing more heals cause I canāt survive
zenith marlin
bloodthirst shines in duels T^T
mild thunder
u guys act play pvp, I do mostly 1v1s in open world man
in that case, i dont care... tuning has never, and never should be based around duels and open world pvp
thats such a niche and non-competitive part of the game
bright flume
you had me at 'uses toys'
zenith marlin
kek
wish they idk buffed the enrage dmg reduction and delete our healing
healing sucks in arenas
mild thunder
š
lean burrow
mild thunder
bro where have these fury players crawled from
zenith marlin
bruh mitigation is king
west vapor
ok so how bad are the nerfs actually
zenith marlin
it lowers my HPS by like 15% total
bloodthirst usually 40-50% of my heals
Ehh actually probs like 5% cuz large part of that is the CD
i always felt slaughter house dream was gonna end ngl
vital cedar
i was hoping healing would be gutted and dstance unnerfed to replace it but ah well. slaughterhouse sounds janky as fuck now guess we'll just need partner to bring MS like the old days
zenith marlin
how do u guys catch hunters, I always end up winning fights but with more sweat than I want
I sorta outlive them
lean burrow
stun on master's call
charge when far away
don't charge on master's call
piercing howl if you can instead of charging
zenith marlin
i think i use my charge stacks too sparingly
sorry the opposite
too quickly xd
engrish
any tips for frost mages? I played one until lvl 40, and with timewrap etc feel like I can avoid a warr almost always
as a hpala i recall genuinely warrs having 0% uptime on me if I had a column
main barn
I can't tell if you all are memeing, it is not a 1% nerf to healing, it is 33%, jesus
brazen rock
no we just aren't dooming over it
main barn
no, people just keep saying 1%, and it is triggering me
zenith marlin
1% nominally
100 bps nerf
wat u want us say xd
guardian droods will act be able to 1v1 us now
severe skiff
Fury's got off pretty light in the sustain nerf department lol, had to be an actual retard (fury Connoisseur) to think they weren't going to get touched at all.
ornate vale
I agree fury changes were pretty calm compared to what they could have been, thankfully (as another fury enjoyer).
zenith marlin
ye but I played fury at its worst too man
red ether
Slaughterhouse nerf hurts tho
severe skiff
slaughterhouse should of gotten nerfed, that was a great change
main barn
a great change? what
ornate vale
Slaughterhouse is weird now. But itās not like itās useless, you take a partners ms over it, and us it if you donāt have ms on your comp. Seems ok.
main barn
nerf it sure, but that was destroying it, assuming you can understand the change
zenith marlin
im actually lil excited about not taking slaughterhouse
severe skiff
It didn't destroy it, it changed it to act like it was originally intended to, a high MS value with a small window
main barn
originally intended? do you work at blizz?
severe skiff
They never intended for fury to have a permanent 40% MS, they said so when they added it, it was supposed to fall off due to low duration outside of excessive rage windows
ornate vale
I donāt remember how it was originally, did it use to not reset duration?
severe skiff
Fury didn't have unlimited rage when it was added
ornate vale
Interesting. Iām new to fury fun. Thanks for the knowledge
vital cedar
as long as it works like each stack has its own individual 9s timer it'll be fine but if it just drops the entire stack after 9s it'll be a pain in the ass. healer with more than 50 iq just waits for the stack to expire and hits some bullshit instant 0 to full
severe skiff
It's going to work like necrotic wound
wheat crane
Itll drop after 9s pretty sure
main barn
it will drop off completely after 9 sec
severe skiff
increased stacks increase the potency, not increase the duration
main barn
would not make any sense otherwise
severe skiff
so you'll have a smaller window of high ms
zenith marlin
there is a same mechanic for prot warr Shield Slam debuff
its permanent but fluctuates
main barn
well, it will be "permanent" as long as you can rampage at 9.1 seconds
severe skiff
You'll pretty much always have 12% MS, with a high uptime of 24% ms, and windows of 36% ms
wheat crane
The second it falls itll just be reapplied
severe skiff
you can literally rampage every 3.5-4seconds atm
wheat crane
So itll like ping pong up n down
zenith marlin
if u cant rempage every 9.1 secs somethings off lol
severe skiff
and that only gets easier with tier set execute procs
main barn
oh thats right, we have 100% uptime on our target, you right
severe skiff
yeah
zenith marlin
but slaughterhouse falls off rn too
main barn
nah nah, it doesnt fall off, we have 100% uptime
wheat crane
oh thats right, we have 100% uptime on our target, you right
I mean it falls off now anyway
If you dont have uptime
main barn
just listen to @severe skiff
zenith marlin
^
wheat crane
That doesn't change
severe skiff
Was a good change for the game as a whole, and was a better change for fury itself than capping it at 25% or just removing it entirely.
but yeah "muh spec got owies REEEEEEEE" if you want
merry valley
ull see less fury the moment arms gets buffed
severe skiff
given their stance on sustain, it's unlikely arms is going to be seeing any defensive buffs
wheat crane
I dk its just kinda weird
zenith marlin
i don't know why they keep arms so on edge every expansion
stable siren
they love edging us
wheat crane
Like itll always be up now but itll fluctuate between 6 and 36%
zenith marlin
in cata and mop arms hit like a truck
severe skiff
12 and 36%, it's 4 stacks per rampage
wheat crane
I half do kinda wish they just made it a boring 25% static on rampage
main barn
im not talking about doomsday or rerolling, but at least be realistic about how big the nerfs were....
wheat crane
You right
severe skiff
I am, fury will be fine
wheat crane
12 to 36
zenith marlin
like when does arms get it turn on being broken
main barn
fury was in an AMAZING place pre-nerf, now we are not S tier, but we are still very good
west vapor
They didnt touch dmg other than gushing which I think is fine
severe skiff
which would mean the nerfs are fine, and were good changes
zenith marlin
we didn't even get to play it in the season man
zenith marlin
rogues always has a spec that slaps
merry valley
Fury is in a better place than it ever was beside s3 and 4 Shadowlands
zenith marlin
so do hunts locks and mages
pure dps classes T^T
i mean fury seen more broken times
classic xdx
merry valley
Slaughterhouse might be a big hit but will still be above midle of the pack
wheat crane
Kinda weird they didnt touch damage for anyone really
merry valley
Legion Fury only saw spotlight cause Arms was popo
wheat crane
Guess they really do want "people have to die"
copper hare
Kinda weird they didnt touch damage for anyone really
They adjusted and nerfed a lot of oneshot mechanics over the last weeks
zenith marlin
my copium is that blizz cant bufd arms cuz arms players are 2 good
severe skiff
Arms is actually in a better spot now that more specs are becoming more squish as well, relatively
zenith marlin
Arms mains played arms for 2 decades my guys play with spinal
reflexes at this point
u tweak a lil thing and they flood the ladder
wheat crane
Lol
merry valley
arms needed a warpaint kinda ability
severe skiff
Problem is everyone takes Dstance to get intervene so as far as blizzard is concerned it's a highly popular talent that is seeing tons of use and completely fine
merry valley
idk how it is now with buff on bleed heal with full mastery build
severe skiff
Fueled by violence actually heals a lot, but higher starting and faster ramping damp + MS makes those sources of sustain meh
And arms damage is pretty good right now, not broken or anything but def a sizeable increase
zenith marlin
Shadowlands S1 Arms T^T
I think Arms actually needs a PvE buff before anything else
wheat crane
Lol
zenith marlin
it doest have to be a pvp spec
lean burrow
how does slaughterhouse work now?
wheat crane
So just realized in the 9 second window youre definitely gonna probably get at least 2 rampages off each one right?
lean burrow
separate 9 second stacks?
severe skiff
1 rampage = 12% MS for 9sec
lean burrow
like dk?
severe skiff
each rampage adds another 12% til a total of 36%
wheat crane
Which is a 24% ms
severe skiff
yes
wheat crane
Which is everyones ms
stable siren
anyone got that fatty arms build?
merry valley
if you know how dk ms works
lean burrow
that sounds fair
merry valley
its the same
wheat crane
So itll basically just average out to a normal permanent ms
zenith marlin
does anyone take the extra max rage talent?
severe skiff
will average out to a normal ms with a sharpen esque window of higher ms
zenith marlin
ill just demolish wrecking throw warlocks for the entire expansion
merry valley
tbh i was expecting to see bloodbath healing removed to make both builds even on survivalty and crushing blow unerfed in pvp
severe skiff
even if they did that warpaint + increased sources of healing wouldn't of brought fury down to arms level in terms of sustain
junior kelp
anyone got that fatty arms build?
i got a couple of builds, what kinda fatty you want? fatty mortal strikes, fatty bleeds or a build thats actually good 
severe skiff
DH did
severe skiff
enhance heals got nerfed a bit previous patch
merry valley
passive heal from dh was brogh down
and fodder wont heal for full anymore
was critting
severe skiff
fodder got a FAT nerf
wheat crane
Dh is fine, they kinda killed fodder but you can just not take it
merry valley
- 40% nerf in pvp
stable siren
i got a couple of builds, what kinda fatty you want? fatty mortal strikes, fatty...
i get the odd feeling that if u tell me the good build its just fury
severe skiff
40% nerf to the fodder heal, 60% nerf to the soul you eat on demon death
junior kelp
i get the odd feeling that if u tell me the good build its just fury
no no its arms lol
main barn
the DH nerf was not very substantial
merry valley
if fodder was healing for like 70 % of hp will nowheal for 20-30%
severe skiff
fodder still insanely good, breaks CC + dmg mod, just not insanely broken now too
severe skiff
I do
junior kelp
skullsplitter is bad unless you are doing a full bleed build
wheat crane
I do like bleed builds in general
merry valley
skullblaster was fun when affected by roar
severe skiff
people act like you cant do actual MS damage while playing a bleed build when you only lose 5% crit dmg, few % crit rate really
junior kelp
it does meh damage and you never need the rage, but if you wanna go rend and stuff then you take it for the omega burst windows
stable siren
Alright gib
zenith marlin
confession I dont have rend on my bars when I play the bleed uildi
i use thunderclap for it
junior kelp
severe skiff
unless you're fighting people in a sea of pets its still better to use rend, with the bleed duration + uptime of sweeping strikes
maybe in a random/rated bg scenario clap spread gains more value
junior kelp
i would put the 2 points for thunderclap and thunderclap rend into some different talents
stable siren
wait just saw the pin on mud
zenith marlin
its cuz i do the same on prot
stable siren
need 2 learn 2 scroll down
sharp meteor
confession I dont have rend on my bars when I play the bleed uildi
I played most of SL without a Hamstring bind.
zenith marlin
it makes my brain so Happy
sharp meteor
I just had it bound into charge.
zenith marlin
lmao thats big brain
junior kelp
you could just remove thunderclap and replace the same keybind with rend
zenith marlin
cuz when in range charge fails?
wheat crane
I played most of SL without a Hamstring bind.
Cuz its in your charge
sharp meteor
Yeah. One in 200 I'd charge a pet or wrong target when going to hamstring somebody as they vanished/feigned.
But otherwise was a fine time.
junior kelp
true!
zenith marlin
^ avg warr reaction
wheat crane
God bless @elfin surge be well brother
junior kelp
fury does 0 damage, 0 healing, 0 anti heal, 0 tankiness, 0 bitches
woven niche
warrior after nerf =
junior kelp
war fun 
mild thunder
arms fun, fury not fun
junior kelp
fury is fun when it has more than 2 buttons
merry valley
@zenith marlin
#showtooltip
/use [known:Thunder Clap]Thunder Clap; Rend
wheat crane
Fuckers just fly around
zenith marlin
as. annihilator player I rly use 2 buttons kekw
mild thunder
idk why they've lent into fury choosing between bt and rb instead of having a spec that... yknow, uses both
celest wave
am i retarded for wanting preservation nerfs
stable siren
May i get that blood build ;3
celest wave
shit feels unkillable
wheat crane
am i retarded for wanting preservation nerfs
No fuck evoker
zenith marlin
that'd replace my prot reflexes nicely tbf thx man
wheat crane
They literally made it untouchable
junior kelp
evoker dps is meh, evoker heals is
severe skiff
Evoker is over-tuned as fuck atm, so hopefully it gets nerfed eventually
celest wave
u fucking train a healing evoker for 2 minutes
severe skiff
preservation that is.
wheat crane
How?
mild thunder
tbf i dont think blizz really cares about new class being OP
zenith marlin
yall have intervane and charge on same butto
wheat crane
You cant catch a good one lmao
mild thunder
it'll only really get big nerfs when its stuupid OP
junior kelp
fatality build arms feels okay vs pres evoker
if you can manage to drop them to low hp they pop
thats a big if tho 
wheat crane
yall have intervane and charge on same butto
My main charge is charge hammstring and mouseover intervene in 1
Then a second focus version
junior kelp
i took the charge spell from my spell book and put it on my bar
wheat crane
And then i have 2 seperate intervenes for party 1/2
zenith marlin
yall added /target void tendrils to ur Raging Blow or Overpower?
i don't wanna waste avatar on it
severe skiff
I just press gnome racial
zenith marlin
big brain
severe skiff
checkmate priests
zenith marlin
i gotta work on my camera kekw
wheat crane
I just press gnome racial
Gross
elfin surge
POV:
You're about to die as fury, and use enraged regen
zenith marlin
In BGs I actually spawn a Turnip Training Dummy and spam bloodthirst on it with Enraged Regen
It doest move so
u know the mop one
wheat crane
I should honestly get the auto trinket
wheat crane
Because i constantly rage trinket shit like a dr root
zenith marlin
loool
junior kelp
you'll put a turnip on ur bars but you wont put rend 
zenith marlin
i mean i mouseover its not binded
it has 1 hr cd
lmao im gonna bind it now
yall just one more question for arms players
How do u feel about Slam
i just i hate it
it hits 6k physical dmg
rare ibex
Are they capping conquest next week?
severe skiff
If you're overcapping rage and no other button to press its only use is to get more tact procs
zenith marlin
lol
severe skiff
and rage dumping has the added benefit of cooldown reduction due to anger management now
zenith marlin
i had 3 slam sets in BFA it hit like 30k sometimes
returned back to arms and I thought it was just like how slam is for fury
severe skiff
find its almost always better to reapply rend or rend a fresh target than use slam
in fact I'm pretty sure rend initial damage is higher than slam without any slam talents
zenith marlin
can I get a dagger even if it gives agility
severe skiff
from the vendor? yes
zenith marlin
ye with bleed build i almost ignore slam
severe skiff
just change the dropdown to have it show all items
zenith marlin
wonder if it pops annihilator
amber heron
is fury dead?
severe skiff
daggers work with annihilator and SMF, was people memeing around with them on pre patch
no
zenith marlin
lol
amber heron
is arms better then fury now?
severe skiff
no
severe skiff
even then fury passively takes 10% less damage which isn't reduced by dampen
zenith marlin
lol
jaunty niche
Fury went from S tier to A tier basically
zenith marlin
we used to just kite until peak dampening and then sit defensive stance in BFA with my buddy
i was a prot pala
severe skiff
that's because in BFA you had to wait for gettiku bleed + deep wounds to be able to kill someone
zenith marlin
tru
my guy had a mythic taloc 2H drop him first week
glad there wont be that this season
mythic gear in pvp
severe skiff
I do not miss having to run a key every week for an RNG chance to gear up
never got a warforged getti, felt terrible
or chest ilvl version
zenith marlin
rip
pvp gear for pve on the otherhand
226s in S1 in week 1 rly pissed off raiders in my guilx
severe skiff
Personally think this is the strongest arms build available atm, outside of meme shit like executioner's precision. BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARikEJJJJKlkEAAAAQQkkAJAR0okISSoJRIBgDEJAAAAAAAAkQJJAAA
can go spear, more burst in a shorter window + the root effect, doesn't really matter
point in cruel strikes/uproar can be moved around for things like higher rally/bitter immunity as you see fit
severe skiff
dragon roar is more than useable, and much easier to use
zenith marlin
/cast [@target] proba works fine on it I guess
severe skiff
doesn't
zenith marlin
rip
severe skiff
you can do @clear halo which drops it on yourself or @placid quiveror to remove the targeting reticle
but sometimes you got to throw that shit so @clear halo is bad
zenith marlin
yeah i imagine that misses alot
severe skiff
everyone who's used it has felt the pain of missing it
zenith marlin
ill give it a try on skirmishes
I have dragons roar on odyns fury button for arms so they flow well when I change specs
severe skiff
roar with uproar lines up really well with a badge + bladestorm burst window with unhinged
talent after roar also helps boost your sustain rend/deep wounds damage as well as boost your skullsplitter burst windows
zenith marlin
my arms play is so bad atm
too used to 120 CPM Prot warr and 2 buttons fury
need practice
severe skiff
well no reason to play arms right now other than if you just prefer the spec so you can stick to auto-pilot fury if you dont mind it.
stuck root
i just realized i bought the int sword with my bloody tokens a week ago
ive been slapping people in pvp with a 0 mainstat weapon that also has half weapon damage
severe skiff
see
you bought an int weapon and became a bit smarter
able to notice these things now
thorn herald
Personally think this is the strongest arms build available atm, outside of meme...
curious
well
i see where ur points went
to the meme 1 shot shit
i have a feeling thats gonna get axed if it becomes too problematic
i actually really like putting points in the crit stuff because of how stupid execute is
i think unhinged and sharpened blades can be flexed with one another
depending on comp
unhinged wrothless vs pet and npc shit
severe skiff
I like them as well but I don't feel they are very impactful over not having them vs some other things. Unhinged will be situational, you can move that point
but right now an unhinged bladestorm is fairly potent
severe skiff
It is massive but you're relying on rng procs outside of execute phase
and if they are staying sub 35% long enough with the buffed execute damage
they are prob going to die already
thorn herald
yeah i see where ur coming from but the dragon healers are dumb
and they keep people going forever
severe skiff
if arms got fury's tier bonus that talent would be insane
that build gives you a pretty consistent high burst phase every Csmash, good sustain damage, you still flop but all arms specs do
thorn herald
yeah my only issue is blizz is keeping their eye on it
severe skiff
refreshing rend at the tailend of your burst to finish with skullsplitter adds a nice chunk of damage to already beefy MS/executes
severe skiff
idk about that, its not one shotting and they dont seem to have a problem with high damage
just high sustain
like even now a full skullsplitter on cds isn't strike of the windlord level
not enough to carry a kill but with increased overpower/ms damage its a nice cherry on top of a window of burst
and like I said consistent and not reliant on any procs
mild thunder
sks is half the CD of SotW
thorn herald
i dunno about that man
mild thunder
it shoujldnt hit the same
thorn herald
sks is hitting hard
with reck from torment im at just under 50% crit
and the bleed crit talent pops it over 50
whenever i slap that button its chunking people hard
severe skiff
It def does
in pvp its like a combined total of 100-130k dmg from the single global press
can also hit 100k MS atm without executor in same situation tho
so is it really that much above other things?
thorn herald
i mean
mild thunder
arms damage isnt really an issue tbh
severe skiff
to warrant it being highly likely to be nerfed
severe skiff
I should say I have np if it is nerfed
thorn herald
cause csmash is critting 60k +
severe skiff
I just don't think it is likely atm
I just think its too good not to use atm, at least in regards to one of arms best all around builds
thorn herald
im not disagreeing with u
i just think its gonna get nerfed if it performs to well
they are not fans of it
severe skiff
It's even more insane when you consider the fact that you can full bleed burst two people with sweeping up
or they'll use it as their justification for arms being extremely weak defensively, So far the only high damage things they've really targeted are actual one shots
I see what you're saying tho, just not sure I'm there yet in regards to blizzard wanting to touch it up, unless its overperforming in pve at least.
in fact I could see them nerfing executor's before just from a handful of random 170k MS screenshots, just based off what they do.
mild thunder
sks isnt gonna get nerfed... they've already touched it with the rend nerf the other week
sharp meteor
warrior is dead
so true bestie
lean burrow
what's the point of rend when thunderclap exists
mild thunder
because TC doesnt rend without rend
severe skiff
thunderclap is 40 rage, you generally only cleave on two targets outside of vs pet specs, sweeping has 50% uptime, rend long duration
severe skiff
and it costs two points to take the rend on tc
elfin surge
anyone freaking out yet?
mild thunder
bruh, the disc has been blowing up with all the doomer fury mains
elfin surge
hmm havent read
severe skiff
massive freakout earlier
mild thunder
ummmmm, is fury OP still guys? š¤
lean burrow
fury is dead
mild thunder
no no no, im going to convert them to ww/feral
brazen rock
play with kung fu panda wannabe or gigachad worrior 
mild thunder
kung fu panda
mild thunder
brb rerolling WW gn <:bedge:882323848844963860>
based alert 
severe skiff
unplayable, may as well stop playing it now to get a headstart on not playing a dead spec
severe skiff
Ask dekel for tips, learn a thing or two
tame sphinx
every change was fine besides the slaughterhouse refresh, that was a bit overboard
mild thunder
slaughter nerf was needed, should've just been a flat 25% though, not this goofy ahh rework
crude bane
i hope this is not the last tuning
sharp meteor
A 8-10 second 25% ms on rampage would've been chill.
mild thunder
it'll mostly be the last tuning unless there's absurd stuff mid-season
severe skiff
only other thing that needs immediate attention is preservation evoker but they are prob going to hold off on that one til season is going
crude bane
they'll fix pvp s2 or S3 as usual
mild thunder
SP damage has already been nerfed a bit, but yea its still probably S tier
copper hare
mage dealing 0
huh
elfin surge
does anyone else just feel
mild thunder
monk does not need nerfs, it falls over at a glance
mild thunder
mage is not dealing 0
elfin surge
i never feel scared
mild thunder
no MUD fury is BAD now
elfin surge
i feel literally unkillable and our healing hardly got touched
severe skiff
idk why they went so light on fury healing to be honest, those were minor changes lol
copper hare
enrage reg might be the best def cd in the game
elfin surge
also i did some real 3v3 wargames today vs the best boomy/dh team on NA and I was matching the dh in damage
severe skiff
wouldn't be surprised if they have a follow up at some point
main barn
how is 33% reduced healing untouched
mild thunder
because its 1% of your hp my guy
main barn
galchad stop trolling my guy
severe skiff
The only real way to address fury's current sustain is probably by removing heal effect from bloodbath
mild thunder
its not even a troll
sharp meteor
Depending on exactly how the Slaughterhouse change works Fury should still be fine/good, worst case scenario just play with a DH
elfin surge
enraged regen now heals for 22% max hp each bloodthirst(was 23%)
main barn
if the 33% nerf to bloodthirst does not apply to bloodbath, then I agree the nerf means nothing
elfin surge
man those some nerfs
mild thunder
enraged regen now heals for 22% max hp each bloodthirst(was 23%)
fury BAD
F tier spec
reroll
sharp meteor
if the 33% nerf to bloodthirst does not apply to bloodbath, then I agree the ner...
why u worrying baout the bt change
and not stacks
thick reef
Atleast they don't swing the pendulum the other way in a knee jerk reaction
elfin surge
if the 33% nerf to bloodthirst does not apply to bloodbath, then I agree the ner...
yeah lets also ignore the passive 10% wall the entire game and 90% of our other healing sources
copper hare
I honestly can't believe you guys cry more about warrior healing than warlock healing, you guys are disgusting
just fake warriors in here
elfin surge
FURY BAD
thick reef
Warr good in pvp right now?
severe skiff
Can't imagine they will remain being fine with fury able to self sustain itself entirely alone during regen after what they did to deathstrike
elfin surge
Arms
severe skiff
did you see arms nerfs on the notes today? no, fury ded
main barn
yeah lets also ignore the passive 10% wall the entire game and 90% of our other ...
are you telling me bloodthirst/bloodbath healing isnt your top healing every game?
mild thunder
elfin surge
are you telling me bloodthirst/bloodbath healing isnt your top healing every gam...
from my enraged regen
which isnt nerfed
severe skiff
yeah its rough out here for fury
thick reef
Why is arms dead
mild thunder
because we cant heal for 10% from every mortal strike
thick reef
U die
mild thunder
bad spec
stoic basin
Why is arms dead
Because Fury Self Healing made it insanely tanky
elfin surge
because we cant heal for 10% from every mortal strike
lmao thats actually a really good way of putting it
mild thunder
lmao thats actually a really good way of putting it
dbs should buff it to 20% fr fr
stoic basin
I love Fury PvP but Arms will always have the fun flavor of big mortal strike slaps
uneven zinc
^ ive been grinding my honor gear last 2 days or with arms
lyric violet
damn tho imagine arms could heal off ms
uneven zinc
its nice when u get a healer and thats about it lol
lyric violet
uneven zinc
just thankful guardian druids are getting put into the dirt
woeful solstice
mild thunder
... fury still strong, dk still pretty strong
crimson sentinel
Yo fury barely got nerfed why are people tripping??
quick carbon
Iād say more than barely
warped warren
whole forge
Fury from B to D tier š¤·
quaint snow
FURY BAD FEKKKKKKKKKKK
wheat jay
Hahahaha fury gutted
whole forge
Why you laughing
drowsy depot
Yo fury barely got nerfed why are people tripping??
yeah fury is fine, not being able to maintain ms and having the stacks fall off all the time is barely a nerf
wheat jay
Cuz its funny
whole forge
yeah fury is fine, not being able to maintain ms and having the stacks fall off ...
Like the ironie
crimson sentinel
I mean thatās kind of a nerf but overall not really, you know what I mean?
quaint snow
I mean thatās kind of a nerf but overall not really, you know what I mean?
what you mean bro? Nerf is nerf
drowsy depot
yeah man 100% not being able to have sustain pressure or create kill windows is deffs not really an over all nerf
alpine copper
dhs atm its not equal fury
copper hare
you must be delusional if you don't understand why people are mad, they are mad because arms didn't get shit in return
drowsy depot
I think fury will be good in 3s with someone else that can ms for them, but that's about it really. I can't see MS talent get taken anymore tbh
if you're not pve your target you can't maintain stacks
2 seconds of cc and you lose it all
one 1 second root even
wheat jay
Same as before
whole forge
you must be delusional if you don't understand why people are mad, they are mad ...
Donāt care about arms I ask about fury I dint ask why people are mad so calm down clown
copper hare
whos talkin to you, Dyad was the guy asking a stupid question
red ether
Healing and dmg basically untouched, a nerf to MS lol
wheat jay
Fury is still fine
drowsy depot
you need to use slaughterhouse 4 times in 9 seconds to refresh duration dude....
red ether
Doesn't make you go from S to F lol
quick carbon
They are
red ether
It's fair to say fury is at least an above average spec in pvp
whole forge
Now I can take death wish instead of slaughterhouse
drowsy depot
not really, every class discord is like that
wheat jay
Or utility and not lose much
quick carbon
warrior cord is freaking out more than dk cord was last week
hot solstice
Imagine guardians disc rn
quick carbon
And dk cord was trippin
pearl prism
Guys, I just did some testing. Fury warrior after the nerfs is dead. After these nerfs, we will not be able to use 2 weapons at the same time. We have to unequip one of our weapons
We have to put it in our bags
drowsy depot
guardians will be crying coz they're not in their own tier for the first time in 6 years
pearl prism
After the nerf
drowsy depot
Arms is cooler anyways
tawdry totem
All the guardian druids I know saw this coming and werenāt planning on spamming guardian in pvp s1 anyway
pearl prism
No arms is having their weapon removed too
tawdry totem
Obviously overtuned like DH
wheat jay
We also expected fury nerfs too
whole forge
No arms is having their weapon removed too
So we play monk ?
wheat jay
Just not to ms, we expected healing to get gutted
pearl prism
Nerfs
tawdry totem
We also expected fury nerfs too
Exactly same with DH
severe skiff
def should go monk now
pearl prism
We all need to go monk
steep inlet
Overall I even took -35% to shield charge
pearl prism
Where is the admin
steep inlet
Need to do tests
drowsy depot
monk/sp and feral being untouched actually makes me laugh
wheat jay
Ms nerf Hurts less than healing nerf would
pearl prism
Change everything to green
quick carbon
you really had to be smoking crack to not expect fury nerfs tbh
red ether
you really had to be smoking crack to not expect fury nerfs tbh
This
tawdry totem
I just wish arms got a little love
graceful ginkgo
Anyone else liking the Fury changes
severe skiff
red ether
I just wish arms got a little love
Agreed
wheat jay
It did
quick carbon
I love the fury changes
wheat jay
Arms slaps now kinda
quick carbon
I hope fury is completely unviable
pearl prism
The nerf was actually good. I was expecting so much more
red ether
Wish arms got a better d stance
graceful ginkgo
I hope fury is completely unviable
This
whole forge
you really had to be smoking crack to not expect fury nerfs tbh
I was expecting but this nerf is super annoying like make it 30
% from 40
Or even 25 %
graceful ginkgo
100%
quick carbon
arms damage wise is insane
If defensive stance gets buffed arms needs itās damage tuned again
tawdry totem
arms damage wise is insane
Paper towel spec
red ether
Can't do dmg as arms because you're always in D stance š¦
wheat jay
I was expecting but this nerf is super annoying like make it 30
% from 40
Or eve...
Blizz be like
tawdry totem
Good damage doesnāt matter if you die after blowing your first load
quick carbon
they canāt kill you if theyāre already dead
red ether
Arms in bgs is at least fun af
copper hare
When I see fury nerfs but no arms buffs
quick carbon
I actually donāt feel super fragile in skirmishes, I mean theyāre skirms I get it, but when I got 3v3 skirms especially vs other melee cleaves I felt fine tbh
copper hare
tawdry totem
Yeah but annihilator build is still better
mild thunder
I actually donāt feel super fragile in skirmishes, I mean theyāre skirms I get i...
arms isnt as dogshit against pure melee because dbs actually does something
but defs not as tanky as other classes, and still paper to casters
quick carbon
arms isnt *as* dogshit against pure melee because dbs actually does something
Tbf I feel like most casters are paper to warrior too tho
tawdry totem
Try bursting a geared lock as arms
mild thunder
laughs in warlock
quick carbon
in skirmishes I swear warrior folds them
mild thunder
skirms
quick carbon
Arms just hits them stupid hard
i literally hit a lock for 180k the other day
I swear u can fold them
tawdry totem
mild thunder
quick carbon
how hard is wrecking throw hitting
tawdry totem
What else am I supposed to do on my prot until m+
copper hare
120k+ normal hits with demo
tawdry totem
Took me 10 minutes to learn fury pvp and 8 minutes of it was reading talent free
mild thunder
press bt > win
tawdry totem
Arms will be fine, just not right now lol
quick carbon
if I lived through bfa s4 arms
mild thunder
11.0 rework
quick carbon
I remember hunt cheese was starting to be discovered in s1
Then people started getting fake hunt casted
And blowing defensive
Then dying instantly
sterile carbon
What alts are people enjoying? I need to level one. Was thinking hunter or rogue
copper hare
Eleeee
sterile carbon
Ye it looks it
quick carbon
ya I love survival
Mm to me hasnāt been the same since mop idk haha
canāt ever get into current mm after playing older versions of it
wheat jay
Survi is fun
quick carbon
survival is like thematically the coolest spec in wow imo
tawdry totem
Guardian got the bat pretty hard
wheat jay
Survi harder than warr tho
tawdry totem
Still not enough
wheat jay
More things to do
tawdry totem
Affl lock is fun for bgs
Just spam dots and never die
Pull 10 mill damage in one match
sterile carbon
I find dots so unsatisfying. Always play destro on lock
quick carbon
ya
restive nimbus
wtf thats retarded
mild thunder
dots are fun on feral
quick carbon
scatter trap was obnoxious LOL
mild thunder
š
mild thunder
stun
quick carbon
you just harpoon trap
mild thunder
intimidate or mighty bash š
quick carbon
Or trap off a stun
restive nimbus
i was talking about MM but yeah i get it
wheat jay
how are you even supposed to trap without scatter
Mindgames
quick carbon
Weāre absolutely ridiculous
wheat jay
That's where the fun is
restive nimbus
ye i remember, used to love mm in wotlk
restive nimbus
MM is currently loads of fun in bgs tbh
mild thunder
fuck mm
quick carbon
because you spin peoples blocks with Aimed shot
gritty salmon
They released the new nerf news
Fury nerf wasnāt as bad as I thought it would be
wheat jay
Yep
quick carbon
Itās very significant
wheat jay
Dmg untouched, healing got smallest nerf ever
gritty salmon
Itās balanced
quick carbon
Thr healing needs to be looked at
gritty salmon
The healing isnāt that bad
quick carbon
youāre hitting the pipe if you think the healing is fine
gritty salmon
In comparison to many other classes itās on par
quick carbon
youāre hitting the pipe if you think fury healing is fine
gritty salmon
Bloodthirst healing was nerfed with 33%
Gushing wound healing and damage nerfed by 10%
Thatās a significant nerf in terms of healing
main barn
33% nerf to our top heal, and that is not significant?
urban skiff
does alliance still overwhelmingly dominate bgs or has it been evened out now?=
severe skiff
convinced you guys are trolling at this point lol
quaint snow
we literally lose all MS stacks after 9s, then you start again from the scratch. Its a huge nerf lol
gritty salmon
Arms people here genuinely wants fury to unplayable to feed their fragile ego
quick carbon
8/10 warriors want arms to be better than fury
gritty salmon
No
quick carbon
6/10 warriors want fury to be garbage
gritty salmon
8/10 arms here want that
urban skiff
I just want arms to have as good animations as fury
gritty salmon
People who genuinely have played arms for 2-3 expansions and canāt handle it not being S tier spec for once in their life
Itās literally the most fragile demanding people
wheat jay
People rarely like easiest specs to be the strongest
gritty salmon
āWaaah waaah my spec isnāt S tierā end of the world
wheat jay
And fury is the easiest by far
hot solstice
Whatās better: buff arms survival to other specs lvl or nerf others to arms lvl?
quick carbon
Iām fine with arms not being S tier
gritty salmon
Mate we have been over this many times
craggy socket
I mean arms has been the pvp spec for 10+ years
quick carbon
Iām not fine with a class that presses 2 buttons LITERALLY
gritty salmon
Wow used to be very easy
quick carbon
Being better
steep inlet
People who genuinely have played arms for 2-3 expansions and canāt handle it not...
Arms was shit in BFA
;o
gritty salmon
Wow was easy
severe skiff
and half of SL
mild thunder
Arms was shit in BFA
i dont think anyone wants it to be S tier
craggy socket
Don't feed this troll guys
gritty salmon
Vanilla didnāt have much talent utility
mild thunder
people just want it to make sense as a spec
craggy socket
Troll
mild thunder
instead of being a glass cannon minus the cannon
severe skiff
Honestly just think this is the type of person who actually "likes" playing specs like fury lol
gritty salmon
Fury does damage and now has survivability, it was always a glass cannon and now itās not
urban skiff
Guys can you keep your small penises and pvp inside the game instead of taking it to the discord channel? k thanks
quick carbon
fury main brain . Arms main brain O
mild thunder
Honestly just think this is the type of person who actually "likes" playing spec...
2 buttons fun
severe skiff
less to think about, more time to stare at transmog, zugzug
mild thunder
why press 3 button when can press 2
gritty salmon
The only people bitching about fury are arms people who thinks if fury gets nerfed arms will get buffed
cinder vapor
all the homies gonna prot pvp
gritty salmon
The issue is that fury being viable offends people
quick carbon
The only people bitching about fury are arms people who thinks if fury gets nerf...
The entire game bitches about fury and rightfully so
gritty salmon
Itās a slight to their existence
craggy socket
I dont think fury offends anyone
wheat jay
hot solstice
If u put 10k monkeys in one room to play fury, how many will get gladiator?
quick carbon
fury is dh tier of easy
gritty salmon
Then you havenāt spent time here
severe skiff
I don't care where arms is at I just want fury dead, same reason I want bm dead and dh dead.
mild thunder
Fury is the bm of warrior
based take
quick carbon
I don't care where arms is at I just want fury dead, same reason I want bm dead ...
Based
mild thunder
dh unironically has like 10x more rotational abilities than fury
gritty salmon
It doesnāt lmfao
quick carbon
Dh harder to play than fury warrior lmao
gritty salmon
Itās a few buttons aswell
craggy socket
I love when people say "easy" and their check pvp rating is 2100
quick carbon
does dh hit more than 2 buttons
wheat jay
If fury is that easy link your glad/r1 achievements
Can't, only play survi to glad
gritty salmon
So what lol
quick carbon
does dh hit more than 2 buttons
gritty salmon
Why does a spec need to be more complex to make it more worth
quick carbon
You can play fury warrior with a GameCube donkey Kong bongo drum controller
wheat jay
More buttons add complexity
mild thunder
when its 2 buttons, it cant be hard
wheat jay
Complexity adds to skill ceiling
gritty salmon
Why does it need to be more complex
wheat jay
Fury's skill ceiling is sea level
main barn
holy shit i didnt realize warriors were so sensitive about fury spec my god LMAO
craggy socket
Okay then go play something more complex nobody caresw