pvp

[sage raptor]

Does it make me a meta slave if I already play it?

[onyx vale]

what about the dragon skin

it's so beautiful

[rotund thunder]

I'll never get glad, so it's out of my reach

[thorn herald]

not with that attitude

[rotund thunder]

2k? doable by someone with one brain cell like me

[thorn herald]

and if fury doesnt get nerfed all the fury warriors can

[rotund thunder]

gladiator? never been close

[sage raptor]

You don't need skill, you need patience to keep on playing and playing and playing and playing.

[rotund thunder]

Yeah, I have adhd and autism, I don't have those

[sage raptor]

Ah I see

[sharp meteor]

No, although I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

[sage raptor]

This

[sharp meteor]

So do most people it seems like.

[rotund thunder]

To be honest the thing that'd really get me to hardcore commit to PvP is if they'd bring the old 2k sets back as purchasable if you hit 2k the current season

[sharp meteor]

Too easy.

[rotund thunder]

I'm still salty I took a break at the end of legion and missed out on the best elite warrior set

[sharp meteor]

Old 2k was much harder.

[tribal wedge]

what really?

[sharp meteor]

Seasons now are like a year long and everybody gets 3k

[sage raptor]

I'm convinced most high level pvp streamers have a smidgen of autism.

[rotund thunder]

2k has never in the history of warcraft been hard.

[tribal wedge]

nvm bad reading competence

[sharp meteor]

I mean it is for the overwhelming majority of people lmao

[thick reef]

Is blizz doing a balance patch before the season or are we going to have to deal with the messed up locks, droods, priests, rogues, and dh?

[runic ore]

single minded fury ye or nah

[rotund thunder]

No, no it isn't. It's literally a rating you can reach at 51% winrate

[sharp meteor]

there are people who've played for over a decade and still floating around like 2k

or lower

[sharp meteor]

that's an odd way

of looking at it

[rotund thunder]

I've been playing since vanilla, I'm awful at games including this. 2k has always been obtainable for me.

[sage raptor]

For you

[rotund thunder]

For anyone who played enough games.

[onyx vale]

i'm just sad i didnt get the dk elite set in warlord cuz the expansion was too fucking shit

[somber comet]

People greatly misunderstand

[onyx vale]

it looks so edgy i love it

[somber comet]

How bad people are at this game.

[onyx vale]

there's no better helmet and shoulders for dk in the game

😦

[somber comet]

I liked BRF's mythic.

[spice hornet]

That’s dope

[somber comet]

But it's no elite set.

[rotund thunder]

Yes, I would like to pur chase that one

There's a lot of warlords and mop sets that are just /gone/ because they were elite pvp only

[sharp meteor]

hope elite sets never come back

[rotund thunder]

and not raid recolors like legion, or warfront recolors like bfa

[sharp meteor]

most of them probs rarer than modern glad drakes

[sage raptor]

There's an elite pvp vendor in df

[somber comet]

End of WOD was when they did the recolors.

Which is lazy IMO

[rotund thunder]

PvP players are legitimately the most cucked peoiple in existence. Imagine wanting FOMO.

I have never seen raiders with this attitude. You can go back and solo previous mythic raids.

[sharp meteor]

cope

[rotund thunder]

I'm not even saying 'just let anyone buy them' which would be that level

[sharp meteor]

moglet

[sage raptor]

Honor, conquest, and elite vendors. Idk what that means.

[rotund thunder]

I'm saying make people hit x rating still

[somber comet]

It's kinda like a trophy.

[rotund thunder]

We have trophies

[somber comet]

You can't get upset someone has a swimming trophy from 5 years ago

[rotund thunder]

push y

congrats

[somber comet]

When you started yesterday

[rotund thunder]

We have trophies. Push y

[sage raptor]

Glad

Glad is the trophy. NOW LET ME BUY THAT DAMN DK SET FROM LEGION

[somber comet]

Trust me I want old elite sets too

But I get why they're FOMO.

[rotund thunder]

No, you don't

You're just accepting they're FOMO

there is no reason FOR them to be FOMO other than pvp players are legitimately the most bitchy players in WoW

[sharp meteor]

game needs more seasonal rewards

[rotund thunder]

by a fucking landslide

[somber comet]

I always love when other people think for me.

[sharp meteor]

not easy collectibles for soccer moms

[rotund thunder]

PvE has never had that type of consideration

[thick reef]

Fomo is always shit. You don't see them making mythic sets unobtainable

[onyx vale]

i mean they are fomo cuz that brings money, i wouldn't have touched bfa if not for some fomo shit in it

[rotund thunder]

But starting with MoP PvP players got treated like delicate little angels

who needed their participation for the season trophies that nobody else can ever get later

[sharp meteor]

elite stuff has existed

since wotlk

[rotund thunder]

No

[sharp meteor]

newfriend

[rotund thunder]

Previous sets weren't elite

they were just the seasonal arena set

[sharp meteor]

sets started in cata

[rotund thunder]

and could be bought later

[sharp meteor]

weps started in wotlk

newfriend

[somber comet]

[elfin surge]

oh god

[quick carbon]

Kekw

[thick reef]

I think the inobtainable elite thing started in cats

[quick carbon]

just get the elite set in the season holy moly

[thick reef]

Wotlk had elite but it was later made obtainable. Cats has sets you can't get anymore

[onyx vale]

there were elite tabards in wrath, i think, didn't elite sets start with cataclysm?

[sharp meteor]

no, tabard and weapon in wotlk

[somber comet]

We need an expert on PvP.

Where are--

Oh they're banned.

Uh

Wowpedia time

[sage raptor]

Raiders get AOTC, pvp has Gladiator, Raiders get an AOTC mount, PvPers get a glad mount, Raiders get a mythic appearance set thats farmable when it's legacy, pvpers have 1 season to get everything or it's gone forever.

Yeah doesn't matter how you look at it. It's not fair.

[thick reef]

The fomo pvp sets are bullshit regardless. Anyone defending fomo is just a whipped business apologist

[muted surge]

You mean like the mop dungeon weapons, mage tower, aracnitr ripper from an event?

M+ season mounts

[rotund thunder]

It's irrelevent to the point at hand. PvE has never had that consideration. Mythic/heroic sets were never removed, only one raid set was ever removed with the release of WoTLK (Tier 3) and was added to the black market auction house

[sharp meteor]

PvE has had stuff that was removed.

It awas also originally going to be removed buy soccer moms cried.

[thick reef]

Pve does have fomo, just significantly less

[muted surge]

There’s a lot of shit unobtainable from pve

[sage raptor]

But not on the scale of PvP

[sharp meteor]

PvE needs more seasonal stuff, not less.

[elfin surge]

win blizzcon then u can pick any elite set from previous season

happy?

[waxen knot]

No

[rotund thunder]

Which there are far fewer of than gladiator mounts, which isn't what I was tlaking about

[sharp meteor]

I thought having a single token from reaching 2400 would be reasonable. Limit of 1 per season.

[thick reef]

Pvp has significantly more fomo yes. The gear being such is stupid exactly because the same model can be got from pve

[waxen knot]

Exclusive set only

[sage raptor]

It really doesn't. There's enough seasonal amounts.

[muted surge]

Wait you can?

[sharp meteor]

Nah, need more. glad equivalent for raiding, etc.

It's so funny to listen to raiders go bald over not getting anything for yet another tier.

[waxen knot]

They get mythic gear

And CE

[sharp meteor]

Nothing for wiping 400 times to a CE boss.

[thick reef]

Blizz should just treat elite sets like the vicious saddles. You can earn one of your choosing per season

[waxen knot]

NO

[sage raptor]

Yes

I like that

[muted surge]

That’s bad

[rotund thunder]

That was literally my suggestion.

[muted surge]

We need more fomo

[sharp meteor]

My original proposition was a single token at 2400 per char per season.

[sharp meteor]

So true.

[thick reef]

It's a common suggestion

[sharp meteor]

Collectors going bald is great.

[waxen knot]

How about none and make them exclusive lol why do u need them

[muted surge]

Or actually a challenge to get shit and you can choose like the token

[thick reef]

But blizz seldom cares about pvp in the first place

[sharp meteor]

Also fine.

[muted surge]

But Fomo itself is good

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, gets people playing now.

"ill just do it later when it's easier" is so cringe.

[muted surge]

If you see someone on a glad mount from wotlk or whatever

[thick reef]

It's good for business, it's hillariuslly consumer unfriendly

[muted surge]

That’s cool

But if it’s obtainable now

It has 0 value

[rotund thunder]

I don't give a fuck

[muted surge]

Same with mythic mounts

[rotund thunder]

If your only value for x thing is nobody has it

[muted surge]

They shouldn’t be obtainable anymore

[rotund thunder]

then it has no fucking value

[sage raptor]

Oh god you did NOT pull that card lolol

[sharp meteor]

Good thing they're probably not coming back.

I don't want some dirty pleb getting the good old sets.

[somber comet]

This reminds me of people with the mage tower

[rotund thunder]

I love when people say that shit about the black qiraji battle tank

[muted surge]

But that’s what value is

[rotund thunder]

like 99% of the peopel who have it now

didn't get it n BC and wrath by xfering to new servers

and ringing the gong with a whole guild who had shit ready

[sage raptor]

B-but it loses value and it won't be as c-cool :c

Cry me a river

[waxen knot]

Tbh, old world sets are BIS mogs anyway

[rotund thunder]

Value and scarcity are not the same thing.

[sharp meteor]

Old glads never come back, and hopefully elite sets don't either

don't trust blizz to not bungle it and make it free like 2k or something

[muted surge]

If everyone can have everything

[sage raptor]

Everyone would be happy

[sharp meteor]

they already went to bring them back in legion

and everybody said no

the sets are still in the files

[sage raptor]

The vendors are still there

[waxen knot]

They’ll probably do it anyway

[hazy isle]

I like elite sets being unobtainable as well

[rotund thunder]

They were already fucking 2k

[waxen knot]

As a twitch drop for watching AWC, Kek

[hazy isle]

Even tho i started wow in shadowlands

Or late bfa

[onyx vale]

wow

[muted surge]

I just wait for the next tcg mount

[onyx vale]

i'm sorry for your you

[sharp meteor]

Ew, don't reply to me.

Distribution was different then,

[waxen knot]

Imagine watching AWC gives you a token for any season elite set 😂😂😂

[sharp meteor]

Although I'm sure people who played know this.

[elfin surge]

idiot.

[wheat crane]

I mean all i care about mog wise are tabards and weapon enchants

[waxen knot]

I’d be ok with that just to see the tears

[onyx vale]

yes 2k in current season hasn't anything to do with 2k in wrath of cataclysm

[rotund thunder]

Distribution has always been different, that hasn't changed what ratings armors were tied to.

[onyx vale]

we are inflated

[elfin surge]

chat has become cringe

[hazy isle]

But idk ppl tell me players back then were terrible in wow

[thick reef]

I known one thing. Blizz must be a very generous lover with how often it's fans give them a free pass for doing things that are universally considered reprehensible when other devs do it

[wheat crane]

But they haven't topped the mop wod and legion chants so i just use those

[elfin surge]

stop it guys

[waxen knot]

They were terrible

[wheat crane]

The new ones are barely noticeable

[rotund thunder]

They were terrible, just look at wow classic pvp seasons

and how their distributions aren't much different than retail

[hazy isle]

If seasonal stuff didnt exist i wouldnt even touch pvp lol

[sharp meteor]

It was so great watching classic implode on itself.

[waxen knot]

Wasn’t classic pretty popular

[rotund thunder]

Then you don't enjoy PvP, you enjoy lording exclusive shit over other people.

[thick reef]

Then I pity you

[sharp meteor]

Just vanilla launch.

[sage raptor]

Very true. Every other game community would be all for this but the autists and speds of WoW are so anti-everything.

[muted surge]

Just play when your class is hella busted, get your shit and wait again. Sounds like a meaningful way of getting elite transmog

[hazy isle]

If i want actual good pvp ill play league or a fighting game. I like wow pvp for the rewards mostly

[onyx vale]

vanilla classic was pretty popular, don't know why anyone would play 2.4 tbc or 3.4 wrath tho

rogues being able to shadowstep in season 1

[rotund thunder]

I am literally autistic and I hate fomo

[onyx vale]

90% of rogue/mage in the 1st season

[waxen knot]

Sound like s1 shadowlands

[sharp meteor]

Dang, this'll be a miserable game for you then.

[waxen knot]

Lmao

[hazy isle]

But i dont even have anything lol... im sorta new

[rotund thunder]

I have literally played since 2004.

[sharp meteor]

People with anxiety trying to collect everything in this game, yeesh.

[thick reef]

Yeah autistic sorts who are aware of their condition often learn to avoid fomo as it's rather predatory in their case

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, a lot of collectors try to pretend pvp doesn't exist.

[waxen knot]

The topic still has not been addressed

[sharp meteor]

Because it's not really something one can wrap up quickly and easily.

[waxen knot]

World set mogs > elite mogs

[hazy isle]

This but unironically

[sage raptor]

Give me one good reason, that's not "muh exclusivity", why we shouldn't be able to buy old elite sets.

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[sharp meteor]

Because it's a seasonal reward for playing then.

[waxen knot]

You didn’t earn it

[thick reef]

I just love red and black but also don't exactly have the time to always dedicate myself to wow. Fomo is good short term, bad long term. For business. It's bad at all times for players

[sage raptor]

Do you earn mythic sets when farming legacy?

[waxen knot]

I don’t do that content

[sharp meteor]

It's too late to do direct pve equivalent. Also mythic raid was never comparable to elite set.

[muted surge]

Do you earn lfr sets while farming legacy?

[sharp meteor]

Closest would be something like cms.

[thick reef]

That's "muh exclusivity" dumbass

[muted surge]

Lfr sets are Fomo

[sharp meteor]

and cms aren't acc-wide.

nor are mt rewards.

[waxen knot]

Cry more

You’ll never get them

[sage raptor]

Untrue

[somber comet]

Where is Mwahi to solve this dilemma.

[sharp meteor]

Ye, probs for the best.

[thick reef]

No they aren't. You can solo rub lfr

[rotund thunder]

For the record: I also want them to bring back challenge mode weapons/armor from MoP and WoD, and mage tower stuff from Legion. Could tie them to seasona KSM

[sharp meteor]

They'd bungle bringing them back anyways.

[hazy isle]

Wish i convinced my 10 yr old self to get into wow during mop

[sage raptor]

We're just debating

[rotund thunder]

I hate FOMO

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, nah, cm and mt stuff never coming back.

(which is a good thing)

[rotund thunder]

Fuck off

with your awful fomo loving ass

[thick reef]

Cm will be on the bmah soon I imagine

[rapid shore]

should be available for those who had rating back then for it and missing some pieces

imo

[elfin surge]

do we need to get a mod in here

[sage raptor]

We're just talking chill

[quick carbon]

ooooooof

[waxen knot]

We need to get beers in here. These boys are upset

[muted surge]

I wouldn’t have a problem with that if they actually make it challenging. Like do +30s in a season and you can pick 1 wep or so

But just giving them out feels so bad

[elfin surge]

arms is back

[waxen knot]

Woot

[sharp meteor]

Big.

[rotund thunder]

Imagine thinking +30 is the same as fucking compelting challenge mode in MoP or WoD. +15 I'd say is already harder.

[thick reef]

No one is suggesting they just be given out

[quick carbon]

HUGE

[sterile carbon]

Wtf do I do with these : https://www.wowhead.com/item=137642/mark-of-honor , where is the vendor?

[rotund thunder]

Challenge modes were easy, and you could already cheat the legion MT weapons by the end of the expansion

I did not earn any of the 5 I've got, Id id them in antorus gear

[quick carbon]

if you didn’t get the set when it was current season then that’s too bad

[somber comet]

Marks of Honor buy PvP consumables for random games

[quick carbon]

You missed it

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, everybody'll say that cms were easy, and they were, but most people still bought them, or only did them on one char, so that's not really a good case of "just give it to me".

[quick carbon]

Get over it

[thick reef]

I don't think anyone suggested old fomo be easy. The elite suggestion was having old elite require rating

[muted surge]

I don’t say it was difficult, but the first iteration of m+.

[somber comet]

And old PvP sets from respective vendors in the major cities.

[sly walrus]

[sharp meteor]

It's like saying i could've bought tcg in mop but didn't so give it to me now because I'm poor

[sterile carbon]

I see, thanks

[muted surge]

Why is it so bad for some people to have a chanllange to earn their stuff?

[somber comet]

You're welcome.

[rotund thunder]

Imagine defending TCG shit. It's literally RL lootbox stuff.

[sharp meteor]

See, this is what I mean.

[rotund thunder]

I pray all of it is given in twitch streams to make every TCG purchaser mald

[hazy isle]

Imagine t3 twitch drop lmfao

[rotund thunder]

"I spent $500 on that mount!"

Sucks to suck

[thick reef]

Again, when has anyone said it should be easy. Stop making up arguments

[muted surge]

Swerto said +15s

[sharp meteor]

I mean most people got the mounts for reasonable prices in mop-wod

[rotund thunder]

Literally not at all.

[sharp meteor]

people who played then, anyways

[rotund thunder]

+15 is harder than challenge mode ever was

[elfin surge]

[muted surge]

Bcs it was the first fucking iteration

[thick reef]

Did you ever do mop cm? It was easier than 15+.

[somber comet]

[muted surge]

If you can’t do 15 you have no hands

[rotund thunder]

That means fuck all? It's still harder.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, CMs were free, but most people still bought them which is funny.

[muted surge]

And prob no feet

[thick reef]

I'm saying this as someone with the Mistwalker title

[sharp meteor]

Glad they never made cms acc wide for all classes.

[waxen knot]

Over under on dh getting nerfed again Tuesday?

[thick reef]

No one knows

[sly walrus]

🔮

[sharp meteor]

Probably nerfs to stuff like Demo, Shadow, Havoc, yeah.

Hopefully, anyways.

[waxen knot]

I’m betting on a havoc buff

[sharp meteor]

I think Shadow is underperforming in PvE? So Demo and Havoc get nerfed and that affects PVP but Shadow just kills everybody on Tuesday.

[waxen knot]

Soul rend isn’t ticking hard enough

[sharp meteor]

They did just buff bear. 🐻

[rotund thunder]

The nerfs I'm dreading are PvE tank nerfs to make the M+ season not too easy

[waxen knot]

Can’t wait to fight guardian + havoc dh

Fel bombadier added as new pvp talent

[sharp meteor]

low-mid mmr shuffle is probs all melee

and bear loves melee so

[rotund thunder]

I should build a prot set for shuffle

to be a piece of shit

[sharp meteor]

It'd suit you.

[waxen knot]

Even better, play bear

[thick reef]

I'll just fuck around with my hunter friend like I do every season

Wish the set didn't look so shit

[rotund thunder]

But that's not warrior

[somber comet]

What is a bear

But nature's warrior?

[sharp meteor]

Gotta play all the classes to get all the elite sets.

[somber comet]

True, or you'll miss out.

[waxen knot]

Yeah

[quick carbon]

Based

[sharp meteor]

I hope they do elite weapons.

[somber comet]

Elite weapons are a thing.

[thick reef]

I've happily been a warrior main since wotlk and have no intent to stop

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, rewards unfinished, so hoping that they come out with sick colors.

[somber comet]

You need to be 2.1 or 2.4 for them to show up.

[thick reef]

That's not what they mean. Currently the color for elite.and none elite is the same

[hazy isle]

Make elite sets 2.4k and lock them behind bmah bidding starting at 1 mil

[sharp meteor]

A single token for 2400 is the only reasonable way I see them doing old elite sets.

Limit of 1 per char per season.

[copper hare]

In the end yeah, in the beginning probably not. But both werent hard for proper players

[thick reef]

Truly a gracious lover blizz must be to have their simp here encouraging gold selling on top of custoner fucking

[sharp meteor]

Bmah is sus because gold cap only 10m

[somber comet]

Don't meet a FF14 player then

[sharp meteor]

They need to jack cap up to 100m

[somber comet]

Who'll justify the shop.

[sharp meteor]

Oh, boy.

[somber comet]

Or worse

A SW:TOR player

[hazy isle]

Wait u think im srs? Lol

[somber comet]

Who says the cartel market is fair.

[rotund thunder]

FFXIV player, don't like the shop

[hazy isle]

Ff14 🤮

[rotund thunder]

Played SWTOR, hated the cartel market

[thick reef]

Many defend jt

Most don't but it has its defenders

[hazy isle]

I hope u all have fun this season and get the elite sets before they become unobtainable!

[sage raptor]

Meanwhile I'm getting alts ready to farm mythic sets and mounts from bfa.

[muted surge]

They won’t, that’s why they complain

:)

[onyx vale]

aren't elite sets 1800 now

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

[somber comet]

Yeah.

[thick reef]

https://tenor.com/view/peep-show-mark-corrigan-wank-wanking-masturbate-gif-4474547

[sharp meteor]

BFA was the worst, 1800 for a set and there's only one per armor type.

[onyx vale]

good old bfa

[sharp meteor]

At least the s1 sets were slick.

[onyx vale]

yeah s1 sets were the only reason i played bfa

[somber comet]

SL S1 is one of the better elite sets. I like the white metal coloration.

[elfin surge]

hi

[somber comet]

hi

How are you Mud

God of PvP?

[elfin surge]

at work and im bored

[somber comet]

Same.

[shut barn]

every time he comes to discord

he is at work

[elfin surge]

not true

[shut barn]

80% of times?

[elfin surge]

maybe

[near delta]

Mud is either at work or not at work 100% of the time he's on disc

[elfin surge]

but i work stream then sleep

[elfin surge]

true tho

[rotund thunder]

what is on the way to work but being at work but not at work at the same time

[sharp meteor]

Disc is quite the banger after years of shit like skype, vent, mumble, teamspeak, etc.

[blissful delta]

any opinions on prot rn ?

[sharp meteor]

Seems decent, maybe good. Particularly into physical stuff.

[blissful delta]

im having a blast lmao 100k shield charge

[sharp meteor]

Kind of like Guardian if you ordered it from Wish.

[keen aurora]

ahaha

[shut barn]

type of "i go to work so u buy me a pc my dear parents" i guess

[full quiver]

Mud logs in between clients

[wheat crane]

hwo teh f

do i get raid style party friends for 3s

[keen aurora]

edit mode > party firend > check use

you hve to click on the frame while edit mode is activate to see the window tho

[copper hare]

Paid like 15k for my pvp boots

I love this expansion

[sly walrus]

He’s just like me frfr

[sharp meteor]

Right? 🥰 The 5% cc piece is probably going to be like 5k in a few weeks.

[pseudo bough]

hei, can someone share a good pvp talent build for arms?

[copper hare]

imagine still having to buy double legendaries on all of your characters for 200k

fml

[sharp meteor]

It really was unreal getting even a single char fully bis.

two leggos, 80 renown, full duelist which was like 70k honor

[muted surge]

And now you level, get 10k honor or even just buy from the ah and you are competitive

Pretty nice

[sharp meteor]

my honor level went from 200 to 1000 in sl

[copper hare]

It was around 130k honor without spoils

I think

[royal belfry]

Just scrolling thru and catching up on the chat. Is that a real thing? I'd better get my game on and face you at Blizzcon 2030 or some shit

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

Win Blizzcon and they'll put a statue of you in a corner of Stormwind.

[elfin surge]

no lol

[royal belfry]

If only

[muted surge]

Do you get anything from winning blizzcon?

[royal belfry]

I only took the elite xmogs seriously in WoD so I missed all the others cause I thought PvP was for nerds

[short sable]

🤓

[thick reef]

You weren't wrong

[royal belfry]

literally the biggest nerd I know

[short sable]

[royal belfry]

that's fair 😂 actually I dont remember the other retail sets

i mean elite sets

[somber comet]

Up until WoD, most were black/red recolors of the normal set.

WoD gave unique shoulders and helms for S1

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, you get called washed when you don't win it again.

[somber comet]

At S2 they just went with Mythic recolor

[somber comet]

Yeah. WoD S1

[sharp meteor]

The artists were built diff that season.

[somber comet]

It's animated.

[muted surge]

Hella ugly

[somber comet]

Recolors have always been lazy.

[thick reef]

Good design, fuck awful color

[sharp meteor]

It does look pretty gaudy, but I really like that they animated the helm and shoulders.

They took the mythic set, recolored it, then made a new helm/shoulders.

[somber comet]

Yup.

[sharp meteor]

So much better than simple recolors.

Although just the Legion sets were slick.

[somber comet]

A good thing imo. PvP should have a unique look to it. Not a palette swap.

Eh.

Some of them were better than others.

[thick reef]

Pvp is a mini game

[somber comet]

Wasn't a huge fan of the Antorus sets for some classes.

[sharp meteor]

Rogue had a lot of belts.

Tomb was probably the most bis elite sets of any single season, though.

[somber comet]

Ironically, yeah.

Antorus was just... odd for some reason.

[thick reef]

To bulky

[somber comet]

Yeah. I didn't like the bulk for warriors.

But just in general.

[thick reef]

Tomb remains the best elite imo. A shame I was a depressive mess at that time

[sharp meteor]

For me the issue with antorus is that it looks all mixed on some races

giant shoulders, boots, gloves

[rotund thunder]

The best elite IMO is season 1 BFA

[sharp meteor]

tiny legs, flat chest

[rotund thunder]

To the point I still wear most of it

Just dropped the chest/helm/shoulders

[somber comet]

It's a good set.

[rotund thunder]

The best WARRIOR elite set is antorus season

The black/red tier 21 is fucking godlike

I seriouslyu regret dropping off WoW that season

[somber comet]

Eh

For me Legion was a low point. And I stayed with it in on and off.

The start of Legion was awful if you enjoyed alts/playing the game for long periods of time.

Cause everything was timegated.

Tomb was no better at the start.

You were actively punished for playing at the start. Just wait 8 weeks then play the actual content.

And the softcap on Legendaries.

Hope you liked getting Prydaz and Agrammar.

You're stuck with those until 7.3.5

[onyx vale]

ahhh the cap on legendaries

[somber comet]

Nobody talks about it with Legion.

[onyx vale]

nah it wasn't until 7.3.5

it was 7.0 and 7.1

[somber comet]

Rose tint is STRONG.

Was it 7.1?

I thought it was later,

[onyx vale]

they removed the soft cap around that part and added the buy legendary a patch alter

[somber comet]

You mean the crafted legendaries?

You couldn't buy specific legendaries until 7.3

7.3.5*

I think.

[onyx vale]

you could farm legendaries as much as you wanted in 7.2 and they became very easy to get in 7.3, .0 and .1 were the awful patch

i know cuz i got soft capped at 4 trash legendaries without blizzard telling me

[somber comet]

It was painful.

Mage tower was fun

But its FOMO so HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

💢

[muted surge]

Mage tower sucked when I did it, at least the feral one seemed so difficult

Until I got the trash legendary

Which made it free

[somber comet]

I enjoyed the challenge but I didn't do it on as many characters as I like.

Would've liked the warlock but eh.

[onyx vale]

I hate mage tower because they said they would stay spec specific so I didn't bother doing the druid tank one cuz lol at playing guardian

[rotund thunder]

Mage tower lost its challenge within a patch

[onyx vale]

then they removed that and i don't have the werebear for my druid

[rotund thunder]

The second you could out gera it, it stoppped beiing a challenge

[thick reef]

I have all the warrior and tank mt weapons as well as the mop cm armor and even I think the fomo is bs

[somber comet]

You can get the Fel bear with the current tower but it's disabled cause blizzard thinks Timewalking needs to be challenging.

[onyx vale]

and yes they should have removed the mage tower after the patch, it really wasnt a challenge doing it during 7.3

[rotund thunder]

I legitimately would have never done the arms MT during its season, I just was not clean enough to kill xylem fast enough

[onyx vale]

either remove it after the patch or don't remove it at all

[muted surge]

rather that the new talents unbalance it no?

[rotund thunder]

But the second I was in antorus gear? Skipped 80% of it

[somber comet]

What's the problem with that, though? Most of the talents they added are the tools we used in Legion for those towers.

• it's Timewalking.

Timewalking isn't made for hardcore challenging content.

It's for the sunday andys

And streamers.

And guide writers.

[thick reef]

Alot of people did mt in world quest, none raid gear

[muted surge]

I mean I don’t disagree

Just saying that it’s prob bcs of that

[somber comet]

Fair.

[rotund thunder]

They did, but a lot of people also just out geared it

Case and point, me

I LFR antorus geared it for my rogue, a class I didn't even play

[thick reef]

The patch made it easier for raiders and accessible for none raiders

You could "out gear" mt in tomb gear.

[rotund thunder]

Yeah, heroic tomb

but it wasn't 'out gearing' to the point of dumb easy mode

[thick reef]

So long as they didn't maintain an ilvl cap it was going to happen

Ehhhhhhhh

[rotund thunder]

Antorus gear legitimately just skipped the mechanics

[thick reef]

Depended on the fight

[rotund thunder]

Prot warrior in antorus gear killed the bosses so fast you didn't have to worry about anything

because shield slam damage

[thick reef]

Xylem was doable but n wq gear of 7.3

Which was roughly heroic tomb if I remember right

[rotund thunder]

Xylem was just a piece of shit and I hated that fight. I wasn't able to do it because I didn't have my leap shoulders to easy mode the mirror image phase

[thick reef]

Mt was only really truly challenging in that brief time when people weren't raiding yet. Because it was balanced around raid gear. Anyone who was raiding in 7.2 already had their mt weapon. The main people doing mt after 7.2 we're none raiders in crap gear

[rotund thunder]

I was pushing into mythic and had trouble with xylem because I didn't have the heroic leap shoulders

The mirror image phase would just fuck me

[thick reef]

Thats another issue entirely. Like how the belt and bracers made prot mt way easier

[rotund thunder]

But when I got into antorus gear the mirror image phase just... didn't matter

I actually can't remember when I got xylem down

let me check achieves

[thick reef]

Though I used the gloves and bracers for my xylem clear

Just had to practice mirror image 3 or 4 times

[rotund thunder]

for getting prot/fury

[thick reef]

I'll need to check mine later, I'm curious now

Those dates are pre antorus

[rotund thunder]

Both of them?

[thick reef]

Well the first one

[rotund thunder]

Was gonna say

I 100% did tank in antorus

becuase I remember the shield slam set bonus

[thick reef]

So you had arms in tomb

Tank gave me most trouble. Then I beat it, then beat it on every tank class except druid the following week

I dislike druid

[sharp meteor]

I waited until Antorus and did all 36 challenges.

[rotund thunder]

I should have bothered doing it on druid and paladin

now I'll never get a paladin flail and a non fel furbolg form

[junior kelp]

[thick reef]

I had world quest gear for all of them. One legend for everyone except paladin which had 2

[sharp meteor]

Hey, how much vers is noodle pot right now

[tribal wedge]

0 i think

[thick reef]

1%

You eat your noodles. I harassed Holinka daily for two months for that

[sharp meteor]

Bless. 🙏

[thick reef]

First and only time a dev PMed me

It was on a vendor that you couldn't buy from.

[sharp meteor]

I remember when they weren't even a thing.

Pandaren just didn't have a stat buff. 😭

[raw grove]

How are you guys doing vs Spriest?

[elfin surge]

very good

[rare ibex]

Do we still kill psyfiend?

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, insta.

Unless they shield it.

[raw grove]

what spec and build?

[elfin surge]

its our job to kill fiend for the most part

[sharp meteor]

Either build of Fury should eat Shadow, I think. Kind of depends on their partner.

[elfin surge]

pins

fury

[raw grove]

hm having a rough go soloing one in open world.

[thick reef]

Wish blizz just gave pandaren a perma food buff that's overridden if you eat any other food

[sharp meteor]

I wish it persisted through death.

I remember dying in cms for skips and stuff and losing my racial.

"Well Fed now lasts twice as long and persists through death"

[thick reef]

It's a fun idea but also a bad one in use

Blizzard hates fluffy people

[raw grove]

Absolutely false

what the hell

[thick reef]

Calm down there internet warrior, I'm not being serious

[raw grove]

😂

[thick reef]

Judging by DF questing, blizz has a huge amount of furries

[sharp meteor]

So true.

[thick reef]

Seen more panda NPCs in waking shore than I've seen in the last 4 expansions combined

[sharp meteor]

Vulpera, too.

[raw grove]

Pandas gonna pander

[thick reef]

Not many worgen tho

[sharp meteor]

Worgen are a bit of a trainwreck in terms of rig/animations.

[thick reef]

... or any now that I think on it

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I don't remember any Worgen but I haven't played Alliance yet.

[thick reef]

I like how the writers and artist both have forgotten they don't have tails on occasion

Their cheif novel writers gave Genn one

[quaint snow]

16k is quite a lot for the pvp boots or nah?

[sharp meteor]

That seems about average now.

[thick reef]

Then again said writer is also an idiot

[sharp meteor]

It'll probably dump in coming weeks but yeah, decent for bis imo.

[thick reef]

16kvis nothing

[sharp meteor]

Worgen customization in general kind of rough.

[thick reef]

Pandaren neck seam forever broken

[sharp meteor]

I was just gonna say, yeah.

Oh, well. Maybe in the next customization pass in 3-4 years.

[thick reef]

Sad knowing that if blizz ever continues heritage gear. Panda will be last and it'll just be aj updated starter/chen set

[alpine sinew]

Hello .I'm new to pvp and warrior. Is warrior good for new player and what spec should I go with ?

[sharp meteor]

They did kind of forget about heritage armor, eh.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, it's a good starter class. Also Fury.

[onyx vale]

I could do without all those vulperats everywhere

at least the alliance knows how to deal with the dogs, they keep them far from everyone's eyes

[rare ibex]

A furry fury? ugh

[sharp meteor]

🪓 🦊 🪓

[onyx vale]

they are just so damn ugly

[sharp meteor]

They're cute.

[onyx vale]

no

a fox is cute

[thick reef]

Nothing says warrior like a literal bear

[onyx vale]

a gnome fox abomination isn't

[sharp meteor]

Bold words from a pile of dust.

[onyx vale]

bitch i'm gorgeous

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

[thick reef]

Your a honorless Orc

[onyx vale]

my honorless orc what

[thick reef]

Garry has no honor.

[onyx vale]

I'm honour capped

[somber comet]

Wait you harassed Holinka on twitter?

[rotund thunder]

I am my honor

[onyx vale]

by harass it was probably more like " day 1 of starving pandaren "

for 2 months

[thick reef]

I messaged him every day for two months about the pandaren food item for pvp that was in the game files but not obtainable

[onyx vale]

if it was real harassment they'd get blacklisted

[sharp meteor]

Politely requested a fix. 😇

[somber comet]

That is very...

Yikes.

[onyx vale]

dedicated?

[somber comet]

I mean dedicated is a word for it.

[onyx vale]

single minded perhaps

very in character

[thick reef]

Ge eventually messaged me back saying it should be at X
It was not
It was added to pvp vendors in a a week or two after

[sharp meteor]

D tier Warrior race elevated to C tier by noodles.

[sharp meteor]

Lovely.

[somber comet]

Yeah, WoW devs aren't the best on twitter

[sharp meteor]

I do know that they didn't implement eternal boxes to vendor for a long time

[somber comet]

But players aren't any better.

[onyx vale]

heh, after the orc nerf pandaren is probably the best horde race for warrior

[sharp meteor]

because it was on ptr

[somber comet]

Christ.

[sharp meteor]

rather, the boa box was on alpha

but not live

they just didn't check for months

[sharp meteor]

Gobbo or Highmount seems better

[onyx vale]

hmm

goblin might be good

[sharp meteor]

HMT can also cancelaura their charge to stop it early

so it's less janky

[onyx vale]

kek, didn't know that

[sharp meteor]

ya same with uhh dragon charge

[onyx vale]

damn hm tauren prot is the way

imagine having 5 different charges

[sharp meteor]

charge, charge, leap, bull rush, dragon charge, intervene

[lean burrow]

dragon charge can be cancelled?

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

/cancelaura dragon charge

just bind that into a few abilities

[lean burrow]

I remember I tried to right click it a few times in S4

it didn't work for m

[sharp meteor]

It definitely worked in eternal.

[lean burrow]

maybe when prot becomes the ultimate spec for pvp

I will use it

[junior kelp]

can i just use fury gear for prot?

with shield obv

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[junior kelp]

poggers champ

what makes prot so good in pvp anyway? is it kinda just the mobility and being hard to kill?

[thick reef]

At that point just be prot

[junior kelp]

been seeing a lot of people complain about it but ive never seen them do anything in my matches

[thick reef]

Fury with Sheila is just prot with less everything

I have such a weirdly aggressive auto correct

[junior kelp]

i said can i use fury gear for prot, not can i play fury with a shield

meaning haste +mastery

[thick reef]

The only gear diff would be a 1 hander

[quaint snow]

sorry if asked again but is the crafted helm also bis or only the boots?

[lean burrow]

wow, it worked

[junior kelp]

and i assume the pinned build is bis for prot?

[lean burrow]

though it's weird, dragon charge doesn't even show any buff on you during it

[summer tiger]

Anyone know what arms ppl are running atm ?

[junior kelp]

ive been testing 2 different builds

[summer tiger]

Been running this and it's working very well in bgs but just wanna see what other people have came up with

[junior kelp]

i have this slightly meme-ish mortal strike oneshot build

ive done upwards of 220k on a crit when the stars align

[summer tiger]

Yeah I've been thinking about executioner's precision

[junior kelp]

its nerfed to like 17% in pvp but its still pretty solid damage

is fueled by violence feeling good? ive heard a lot of people saying its kinda poop

[summer tiger]

idk

I'm trying it out rn

[junior kelp]

drop it for exhilirating blows for a few matches and see how that feels

[wheat crane]

I was playing a bunch of overpower/battlelord

[junior kelp]

battle lord and exhilirating blows is just infinite damage

[wheat crane]

Was enjoyable mechanically

Basically never have to press slam

[junior kelp]

slam sucks to press

[wheat crane]

Alwats have ms or op up

[junior kelp]

i press it like once or twice a bg my build

[wheat crane]

Just cant take bladestorm which is whatever

[onyx vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827522497414824017/1050457482864119819/image.png

[junior kelp]

wait wat

you can take BS

[onyx vale]

That's what I run, it's a build focused on pressing nothing but overpower and ms

[rotund thunder]

Why thunderclap rend?

[wheat crane]

Oh i have all the rend stuff too

[rotund thunder]

You don't have dragon roar

[onyx vale]

and trying to one shot people with 100k spear into unhinged avatar in the same gcd

[junior kelp]

if you REALLY wanna one shot people with spear try hurricane

6% str and just kaboom them

[onyx vale]

i'm not locking myself into bladestorm

[junior kelp]

coward

[onyx vale]

and two ms during bladestorm make it actually do damage

[junior kelp]

yeah i run unhinged on my main build too

[rotund thunder]

if you don't want to bladestorm

run bleed explosion

with skullsplitter

[onyx vale]

if you don't want to bladestorm, play fury

its literally the only spell we have over fury

[rotund thunder]

Skullsplitter hits pretttttty fucking hard

[onyx vale]

it costs too many points

[rotund thunder]

it's 2 points beyond what you're already putting in that tree, and if you're dropping baldestorm that frees up 4 points

[junior kelp]

yeah but if you dont crit on ur bleeds it just doesnt do enough to kill sometimes then you're in a weird place where u got no dots on someone thats low hp and no good execute talents

[onyx vale]

i didn't pick rend either so it's 3

then you need dragon roar for maximum efficiency

and 3 more points for duration and 30% damage

man arms is really starving in points

its even worse in pve

[rotund thunder]

uh

PvE we get everything we want

Like, very easily

we just don't take bladestrom on ST

No skullsplitter for AoE, no bladestorm for ST

[onyx vale]

no we don't, it's literally one of the worst spec in that front, every other melee in the game is allowed to be good at aoe and ST in the same build

[thick reef]

this looks fun

[onyx vale]

arms has to sacrifice all its aoe for ST build

and all its st for aoe build

[rotund thunder]

Fury gives up all of its AoE for the ST build too?

It puts zero points into whirlwind?

[onyx vale]

it costs 1 point to unlock your aoe as fury

[rotund thunder]

The AoE build runs annihilator with whirlwind points

[onyx vale]

it costs 7 for arms

[junior kelp]

for pvp i take like 1 or 2 points in ww as fury

[onyx vale]

and the m+ fury build has good st

m+ arms build has tank single target

[regal locust]

Lvl 68 in questing greens

Fury feels so good

I don’t think I can play DK again

[thorn herald]

Yeah it's really bad in PvE. To the point where in the st build I flexed a point into cleave for something

[quaint snow]

is the crafted helm also BIS or only the boots? thanks

[thorn herald]

I went with boots first but I have heard the helmet can add up to a surprising amount of damage

[quaint snow]

so for 4 set we go, Shoulder - Chest - Gloves - Leg ?

[quaint snow]

thanks

[brazen rock]

Helm is 3.5 ppm

[thorn herald]

Idk there's 3 pieces with versa on it

[brazen rock]

So pretty good

[thorn herald]

So those three and whatever else has crit

[vocal frigate]

Holy shit is ele overtuned that shit slaps

nearly globaled me

[thorn herald]

I'm not in love with the arms 4 set

[copper hare]

you're not done yet

say it

SAY IT

[thorn herald]

I like the 2 set tho

[copper hare]

dmg is insane, but it's squishy af

not fun playing vs rogues/dh/dk/jungle etc

[thorn herald]

Lol ele can teleport people with static link totem

[brazen rock]

[ripe widget]

I would also like to know this and what pieces are we crafting, etc.

[copper hare]

I mean if annhilator bloodthirst build stays like that there is no reason to go for set on fury

[severe skiff]

You'll still want set on fury even if the current fury build stays the same, fury actually got a good set, not just in terms of damage gain but it completely removes any gaps in the current fury build that sometimes occur

[wet scarab]

I mean it's sort of a moot point what pieces you want to craft since you'll be able to make only one next week

[severe skiff]

pretty much gives you an execute every single rampage cycle

[copper hare]

idk what you're playing but there arent any gaps

[wet scarab]

and then another one 2 weeks later

[tribal wedge]

proc exec = more damage = more fluidity so it's good anyway

our burst could be something like rampage > exec > rampage > exec > rampage

[wooden grove]

But then where is the self healing basically just a scuffed arms

[tribal wedge]

u chose if needed

[wooden grove]

you would definitely drop some talents to do the execute ones in your hypothetical

Or else it’s a null statement

[copper hare]

you just play RB build if you wanna play set

pretty pointless with annihilator when self heal is the main reason

[wooden grove]

Ngl crushing blow is overtuned af rn

It’s a cool 15-20% damage over annihilator builds in PvE

But then the sustain healing is bye bye for the most part

Because dps

[wet scarab]

yeah at that point you should just switch to arms

it'll be the same survivability

[wooden grove]

Yeah just play the good talents

Tier set seems meh for annih ra

[quaint snow]

so tier is not worthy as fury in conclusion? 😄

cheers mate

[severe skiff]

I mean if you want to do less damage regardless of your build, dont use it.

[tribal wedge]

i doubt it

[wooden grove]

All I know is in a raging blow build, crushing blow will be prio over execute and in annihilator ra build bloodbath has prio over execute

At current damage tuning and idk if 10% crit will make a huge difference but the 4 set will be super meh

2 set maybe I mean why not, 4 set meh

[crude bane]

on beta even with the scal the tier set is bad

[ripe widget]

all the pvp gear says that increase your itlvl in arenas and bgs, that would also be true for warmode in the open world?

[tribal wedge]

only in pvp fight

[severe skiff]

yes, and duels, anytime you are in pvp combat it scales up

[old hollow]

Is smf better than tg for fury pvp now?

[severe skiff]

just doesn't auto turn on in warmode vs pve things

[tribal wedge]

no

[ripe widget]

oh, I was wondering exactly this

[old hollow]

Seemed like if we run annihilator it attacks a bit faster

[wooden grove]

But damage and stats

[old hollow]

True.

[thick reef]

what happens if you have pve aggroed while world pvping

paradox?

[severe skiff]

the second you get into pvp combat you'll scale up, even with pve mobs on you

[wooden grove]

Ez rare farm

[crude bane]

SMF is a meme

but i enjoy my thunderfury tmog

so i play it in bg

[wooden grove]

Why not yknow

[thick reef]

we should have 1h mog w.o needing smf

[wooden grove]

Just a bg

[old hollow]

True endgame is transmog

[crude bane]

good tmog = more dps

cant denie

[wooden grove]

Hidden chest = 50 dps

[old hollow]

My fury warrior tmog is pants, red bandana, giant axes

[thick reef]

wearing pants is a nerf imo

[crude bane]

as female i mean body type 2 i play with no boots

[ripe widget]

what about trinkets, do we need medallion 100%?

[brazen rock]

Yes

Unless human ofc

[crude bane]

i stil cant decide human or gnom

ill join alliance soon

[onyx vale]

for the skin ofc

[ripe widget]

no room for playing sigil instead of medallion?

or is it just bad

[brazen rock]

W8 for season. If feral and ass pop off, DI is huge

[crude bane]

no cd sharing with bitter immunity

?

[copper hare]

human offers you nothing, go gnome! Also best style in the game

[thick reef]

Sigil procs on fear doesn't it?

[brazen rock]

I don't believe so. Why would it?

[crude bane]

never played alliance so i dont have recquirement to unlock

BFA campaign

i only did horde

[weary sky]

you using annihilator in pvp to make the rotation more simple or is the damagehigher?

[brazen rock]

Also 5head moment does bitter immunirt cure bleeds?

[brazen rock]

Dam similar, giga sustain. Playstyle is ezmode regardless.

I routinely heal as much as my healer in skirma.

[weary sky]

similar assuming opimal use of raging blow?

[brazen rock]

Ye ofc

[weary sky]

yeah I assume

[brazen rock]

Idk how you'd unoptimally play raging blow though lol

[weary sky]

so I guess even at high ranks its always better to play the simplest version

so you can focus on the arena

[weary sky]

its hard yeah xD

but i mean, less buttons will be always a pro

in competitive setting

[crude bane]

i tested onslaught build damage are good but ti cant beat anihi sustain

[onyx vale]

if you don't have dark iron play regular dwarf

[crude bane]

if they nerf something annihi build then fury is probably over

[onyx vale]

its almost as good

[wet scarab]

bis mog is shirtless kul tiran

[onyx vale]

and dwarf is the only good looking alliance race

[weary sky]

why? arent we saying raging and annih are similar?

[copper hare]

gnome!!!!111

[onyx vale]

gnomes look like walking piles of shit

[crude bane]

@onyx vale tu sais pas si on changefaction avec un perso qui a fini la campagne horde ça lui debloque la campagne ally ?

[onyx vale]

jamais swap de faction mais je vais regarder si mon perso alliance peut débloquer les nains

[crude bane]

@weary sky arms doing better than RG build I.M. O

@onyx vale impossible que je refasse la campagne BFA je vais serrer

[viscid folio]

does anyone know when season starts? seen several sources say december 12th and other december 14th

[crude bane]

weekly reset for sure

[weary sky]

i see, when you mean dead you mean fury not warrior

implying arsm would be the way to go without annih

[crude bane]

yeah sorry

[weary sky]

ok got it

[crude bane]

again its my opinion

[viscid folio]

arms > fury

right unerfedd?

[crude bane]

ofc

[weary sky]

and with annih are you playing spear or roar?

[viscid folio]

good my G

now sleep well folks

[weary sky]

except for annih! lol

[crude bane]

[viscid folio]

annih auto attack build is the most boring shit ever

makes me not wanna play warr

[weary sky]

well i reached 2k as my maximum rating so not an expert

[copper hare]

you can play both, roar feels better in bgs n stuff, spear will probably be the move for most 3s shit

[viscid folio]

80k MS and exe > debuff and 10k BS xD

[weary sky]

but there is a lot to learn froma simple build in terms of awareness

a

atleast for me

[viscid folio]

play whatever you like broski

[weary sky]

yeah lol

[crude bane]

like i said ill go TSG thx to @elfin surge

[viscid folio]

but arms defo viable if you like that playstyle more

rather than just meta

[crude bane]

my dk grab some1 then i BS cleave

[weary sky]

i like it more yeah

[elfin surge]

[crude bane]

chad moove only

[weary sky]

but self heal is very fun in bgsç

[crude bane]

do you steam guy ?

stream *

[weary sky]

not needing a healer in my back is always nice

[crude bane]

@weary sky do you lift IRL

?

[weary sky]

lol

obv

[crude bane]

then go arms

[weary sky]

haha

[crude bane]

embrace the chad way

[copper hare]

but chads don't get slapped around

[crude bane]

anyone tested rebound talent on SP with their cringe mindgames

i reflect 105K

sastfying shit

[wooden grove]

hunters really be smackin

[onyx vale]

rip, tried to bamboozle blizzard since i had the achievement horde side but it doesnt work

still not sure if swapping a character that did the campaign works tho

[brazen rock]

Reflected a 310k ele blast once, didn't notice until I later saw it in details

[wooden grove]

gd you didnt realize that

lol

[crude bane]

@onyx vale i have to do war capaign then changefaction imagine the struggle

and i have no alliance char

[onyx vale]

well if that's any help the alliance war campaign isn't as trash as the horde one

that's what people told me anyway

you don't spend the 1st patch trying to save a character that dies in the second raid anyway

[crude bane]

ill probably go regular dwarf then

[onyx vale]

[crude bane]

still good racial

and good looking

and they are chad

af

even their women have beard imagine

i mean

body type 2

[onyx vale]

gnome might be better if you go arms since you won't have all the root removal of fury

but who wants to look like a gnome

[copper hare]

cant just accuse their gender

[brazen rock]

Arms is gnome for sure.

[copper hare]

[crude bane]

yeah i want gnome to play arms

[copper hare]

it's a shame that blood rage isnt available for arms

[crude bane]

@copper hare its blizzard themselves bro in their lore

[copper hare]

honestly

like most classes share most pvp talents

[onyx vale]

anti root on a 1 minute cd, it's so damn nice

too bad it's on the worst looking shit in the game

i'd play any race to get that, even a draenei

but not a gnome

[crude bane]

xDDD

[copper hare]

you just don't deserve the gnomes

that's all

[onyx vale]

I'd like to not go blind, thank you very much

[hazy isle]

short people arent chad

[onyx vale]

i've seen what happens to gnome players, they become blind and start saying their character "doesnt look that bad"

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/966cfd90bb6d0be3092f58e0ba400e30

look at her beautiful emerald eyes

you couldn't say no

[onyx vale]

EW

[hazy isle]

gnome is so fucking stupid lol, what a dogshit race

[summer tiger]

Am I the only one that thinks it's stupid that fury has a better MS than arms ?

[crude bane]

yes

[onyx vale]

its stupid that every class in the game has ms

[crude bane]

i mean no

wait

i cant read

fury dont have better MS

[summer tiger]

fury stacks it to 40%