pvp

[tribal wedge]

You geared Crit ? Haste?

[quick carbon]

u go max crit

as arms

HUUUUUUUUUUGE dam

[tribal wedge]

I was on this bord but waaaaa that so slooow

[mild thunder]

you should probably aim for like 10% min haste

arms lost a lot of its crit synergy coming into DF

[severe skiff]

I don't think arms will go max crit, prob a mix of haste/crit since you get crit on burst from reck and set bonus increases crit chance of ms

crit/mastery if you want max dam but it will feel like shit

[quick carbon]

my ms is literally a 5.9s cd

haste is baby stat

crit is man stat

[mild thunder]

ok? haste isnt about reducing ms cd

[quick carbon]

i have the worst

[severe skiff]

You can feel the diff in your global going from 20-25% haste down to 15% or lower

[quick carbon]

rage gen

of all tkime

[severe skiff]

they nerfed the increased rage on crits

[mild thunder]

and they nerfed increase crit dam

[severe skiff]

before df came out

crit def good, bursty, and will have our dmg bonus from tier set up often

but you get +20% crit from reck on burst and +10% ms crit from tier

[mild thunder]

if you're running battlelord, haste is probably just better overall tbh

[severe skiff]

so devaules the need for it somewhat

battlelord a big point since they put the 25% overpower damage on it, don't think you will ever not run it

[mild thunder]

it also has no real competition since our other capstones are mostly ass

[severe skiff]

I honestly wonder what fataiity is going to do in a max dampen 2s

even in pvp it's still a bit over 10k/stack in honor gear

[mild thunder]

if it ends up being any good at all, it'll probably get insta-nerfed

such a weird talent in pvp

[severe skiff]

prob

tooltip goes from 20.2k in pve mode to 10k in pvp, but still 10+ stacks in a slow 2s game is ez

[mild thunder]

it'll either be useless beyond imagining, or ToD but at 30%

it does feel nice chunking m+ bosses for like 10% with one exe tho

[severe skiff]

does a bit less than tooltip states even tho tooltip drops in pvp

think it was 14 stacks on friend

well guess versa reduces it

hit for 84k fatal mark

seems 100% worth it in a healer/dps 2s

[mild thunder]

yea probs

keep in mind, it would also lose value anytime you're likely to be target switching

marks arent permanent, they only last 60 seconds or something

[severe skiff]

1min but also the proc rate is pretty high so not too hard to refresh

but yeah if you have to target swap nonstop then its a problem

but I mean if you never target swap anything will die the second you drop it to 30%

unless they cap it in pvp

stacks that is

[molten dagger]

should i be farming honor once i have full set

[mild thunder]

idek how they'd make it work in pvp

[mild thunder]

not relaly

[molten dagger]

cool

just pvp for fun then

[mild thunder]

get those alts up and geared

[severe skiff]

108k at 20 stacks vs a full geared prevoker

[mild thunder]

not sure 20 stacks is likely very often

[severe skiff]

depends on matchup, took 2min40sec to ramp that up, 1min duration long enough to continue stacking out of even longer cc chains

[mild thunder]

with 100% uptime though

[severe skiff]

obv way harder to stack up on druid swaps

or hunter specs

Trying to think even in SL your downtime wasn't that low outside of some high rated Rdruid/bm teams

like bad proc streaks are 3-4 ms before you refresh , more often than not it refreshes at 1-2 ms

[mild thunder]

i mean, if specs know that you're playing fatality they're going to disengage a lot more

[severe skiff]

yeah but with double time, short leap, things like gnome and healer assist our downtime is never going to be THAT high

you're not going to be off target outside of very specific matchups for over 1min at a time

in 2s, far less valuable in 3s because of the hp swings, likely be consuming it fairly often at much lower stacks, which still may not be that bad but not going to be a ToD style talent

[mild thunder]

idk seems kinda idealistic... lots of things that can/will happen like losing uptime, or consuming stacks early, but it definitely has potential to be strong in 2s

[full quiver]

Gnome felt way better in a lot of matchups in slanss for me

[mild thunder]

pros probably outweigh the cons just because there arent other really big talents you'd be losing out on

[full quiver]

Rsham and and survival and mages

Having the extra root break made a huge diff

[severe skiff]

yeah

[full quiver]

I noticed it a lot more than orc stun reduction

[severe skiff]

Rshamn root being 1min cd now and evoker 1min root also a nice tradeoff for gnome racial now

also pairs well with 1min bladestorm + anger management reducing bs cd, allowing you to almost always have a root break vs most of the cooldown roots

without having to rely on avatar as much

[polar pecan]

What are good wep enchants for fury?

[pearl prism]

I use dual fiery

[warped warren]

[pearl prism]

So, double hunter/healer in 3s seems like pure cancer

[sharp meteor]

Seems troll.

[little sinew]

ye seems horrible 💀

[warped warren]

[junior kelp]

Should I be using slam or whirlwind basically ever as arms in pvp, Or should I just save the rage?

[quick carbon]

I rarely hit either

I play battle lord and spam proc ms anyway

[tribal wedge]

slam if you have nothing to press and you are about to cap rage, and whirlwind if you want to spot a rogue

[junior kelp]

I rarely hit slam either but the key it’s on is prime real estate for a better button, so I wanna know if I just just throw it over to a different key

[sharp meteor]

Lately it was slam to dump when bursting but never deprive yourself of a more important ability.

[lean burrow]

I want to level other classes but 60-70 lvls feel like forever

[sharp meteor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/zcof7v/dragonflight_leveling_your_alt_army_fastest_route/

[junior kelp]

I got to 70 in like a day

And right when I hit 70 I had enough honour to get max pvp gear instantly

[lean burrow]

did you keep it for me?

[junior kelp]

And I made like 10k gold from selling reagents on the AH

[lean burrow]

instant answer

ty

[sharp meteor]

I just had it on a tab from earlier. Leveled my Hunter today.

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, went gathering on a few chars and just dumped everything as soon as I finished leveling.

Mining was something like 70k a week ago.

[junior kelp]

I leveled from 60-66 with gathering and pvp, then from 66-69(and a half) through professions and the last half was a pit more pvp and I finally dinged 70 from the soup

Good soup

[sharp meteor]

It's nice to mix it up.

Just questing through one zone between bg queues feels good.

You get to 70 with like 6k to 10k honor

then a few hundred bloody tokens

[junior kelp]

I mean instant max pvp gear felt so damn good

[lean burrow]

alliance doesn't lose in leveling bgs?

[junior kelp]

I lost a few, but for the most part I be winnin

80-20 ish

[cinder thorn]

I'm worried all the weak willed horde that are losing becsuse theyre shit will come to alliance thinking we are op and introduce their shit to us

Already seen quite a few for the horde morons lately

I been playing alliance even when this side was losing on average more games

Why are people so eager to jump ship absolutely no loyalty

[fickle forge]

Why are people so quickly to reroll to the next FotM spec

Because people like playing what's strong

Why was fury on 30%+ rep in SL, when it was played even less than enh sham for 2 expansions straight?

Meta sells

[high kindle]

I feel like rerolling to meta stuff will be even bigger in DF, just because of how quickly u can prepare character for arena.

[marsh laurel]

Well it is a good news isnt it

[high kindle]

I think, it all depends on how fast blizzard can react with changes, or else we gonna be stuck just like in SL s4 when everyone and their mothers play outlaw rogue.

[idle sierra]

Yo guys

As fury warrior for pvp what is my stat priority?

[fickle forge]

Better than being locked behind a 30+ hour grind to prepare 1 spec ain't it

[high kindle]

I would agree for sure, my point was that the FOTM reroll will be big because of that, hopefully blizz can react fast enough with changes.

[muted surge]

That isn’t bad tbh

[fickle forge]

Still didn't stop people from going big time FotM in SL

[tribal wedge]

people is gonna reroll anyway so

[sly furnace]

Im to lazy for fotm 😂 had my old warrior since vanilla:)

[fickle forge]

Remember 65% rep Hpriest?

[sly furnace]

What enchants are ppl rocking as fury now?

[tribal wedge]

i like the mastery one

[sly furnace]

Tried 2x of the cheaper haste one

[tribal wedge]

idk we have already so much haste

[muted surge]

Did they nerf frozen? It was huge on beta

Too expansive to try it on live atm :D

[raw summit]

@elfin surge tried em

[mystic barn]

🫠

[gusty wing]

Because people play to win, wows the only game I have ever played which is so against rerolling and playing the best comp

[viscid folio]

People changing to arms yet?

[gusty wing]

It's still a worse fury?

[fickle forge]

Weird how competitive gaming encourages playing what's best 😎👍

[gusty wing]

crazy logic

[nova linden]

I'm running arms instead of fury to check out the MS buffs, it works out well with multiple attackers but if you're 1v1 it's not great

[mild thunder]

It’s not just about playing what’s best. It’s that the endless meta-slave culture discourages creativity and creates a bland competitive environment

[gusty wing]

thats it

[undone pumice]

they should try to have everything op

not one thing op

[gusty wing]

Spoiler, people want to win, theres no culture

Look at classic

[nova linden]

The highest rated competitive PVP is always the most unforgiving and completely balanced playing field, which Blizzard consistently fails to create

back in 2008, this was forgivable, because MMORPGs were not PVP oriented by any means, but they've had a long time now.

[surreal compass]

yo is there a best race for warrior in retail ?

or does it not matter as much as classic

[nova linden]

Depends on the spec, but Orc just got nerfed a bit

[gusty wing]

it doesnt really matter but orc/human

[nova linden]

I'd say if you're going prot, Tauren, otherwise Orc, and on alliance I'd always stick with human

[surreal compass]

Fair fair

ty boys

[raw summit]

or play dward/dark iron/nelf

[mild thunder]

Orc is pretty shit now

[raw summit]

all p good

[nova linden]

Is it that bad?

I heard it got nerfed but I couldn't imagine that much

[gusty wing]

Orc is still the best horde one

[raw summit]

orc is good enough to not race change

[surreal compass]

what was the nerf ?

[mild thunder]

Better off with gnome or dwarf if you wanna min max

[raw summit]

trinket 2 set makes orc less valuable

[mild thunder]

Not nerfed, but all they give is a 5% stun reduction now

[surreal compass]

ah

[mild thunder]

Gnome freedom or dwarf cleanse is infinitely better

And for pure horde, I’d wager goblin or troll might be better now

Or belf

[surreal compass]

i'm ally

[mild thunder]

Idk horde is cringe

[surreal compass]

yea bet

[nova linden]

If you get crafted PVP boots, they're completely useless in that regard

Cause that bumps up the trinket bonus 5% more

[surreal compass]

doesnt human get a stun break ?

sorry just coming from classic

[nova linden]

I'd probably go Troll for the haste racial honestly

[mild thunder]

Human gets a stun break but it shares a cd with normal trinket

[nova linden]

That shit's pretty buff for a fury warrior with annihilator

[mild thunder]

So it’s a lot more restrictive… playing gnome just feels better

[nova linden]

You end up getting an extra trinket slot

[mild thunder]

Sure, but then you’re locked to only freeing yourself from stuns and get cucked by every disarm

And you get disarmed a lot

[nova linden]

You know what's fucking OP as shit

Zandalari with a paladin

Paladin shields you, you go regen full hp

[surreal compass]

I guess i'm rolling gnome

[mild thunder]

TLDR, play gnome

[surreal compass]

ya

[mild thunder]

They look badass too

[surreal compass]

just like classic rip

[raw summit]

ztroll kinda ass for pala

like why would you wanna stun urself in bubble

[nova linden]

Cuz you dyin bro

[surreal compass]

no u

[mild thunder]

True + based

[raw summit]

nah man need the 1% crit dam from tauren cuz the average pala just bubbles for dam

🙏

ultimately ztroll is ait but looks stupid

[nova linden]

They look good if you put their face away

[raw summit]

idk im not a fan

[mild thunder]

ztroll looks cool if they could wear fucking shoes

[nova linden]

Man that's a troll thing

You're either into troll feet or you're not

[raw summit]

normal troll feet 🤤

3 gigantic toes

2 front one on the back

[mild thunder]

bring back pre-vanilla fem trolls

and i'll race change

[nova linden]

I like how everyone got real quiet

[mild thunder]

not to brag or anything, but my jokes have that effect

[raw summit]

im just not a boomer so i dont remember their look

[mild thunder]

i am also not a boomer, i was just very young at the time

[surreal compass]

dm me toe pics

[mild thunder]

venmo me first

[surreal compass]

boo
professions matter ? I can't find anything about them on the guides

for pvp mostly I'd ask

[mild thunder]

nope, dont matter for pvp

[pearl prism]

it matters to me

it may not matter to pvp

bu9t it matters to me

i am very judgemental

[surreal compass]

isok bby

ily

[pearl prism]

tbh

we're not going to know if arms is good until proper ranked arena

atm, you can pump, but you have no idea whether its vs people who are good or not

[nova linden]

Well you know if you're fighting someone skilled, really

But 99% of the time it's 1 guy that's good and 1 or 2 that are bad

Or a trio of multiglad

[pearl prism]

yeh thats what i mean

need to know if both are good

or all 3

atm its hard to tell

[undone pumice]

imagine a troll foot job tho fr fr

shit woukd hurt with those gripper nails

[nova linden]

I hate meta and I hate fury, so I'm going arms no matter what

There are top ranked warriors as arms, it's just not as easy as fury

[gusty wing]

HEY BLIZZARD

WHY IS THIS A VIABLE BUY

[sterile carbon]

is there a decent arms PVP spec floating around here? or is it basically fury or GTFO

[raw summit]

AHAHAHAHA

HE GOT EVOKERD

[gusty wing]

Why is it in the warrior list?

Legit

[undone pumice]

for smart orcs

[raw summit]

That's a good question

[nova linden]

I've been running with an execute / MS focused build, with Elysian, Avatar + Bladestorm buff, and Shockwave

[raw summit]

Ive had agi plate drop from rares

[undone pumice]

they are not that kind of orc simple as

[raw summit]

It's a bit retarded rn

[nova linden]

MS got buffed from 70% of normal damage in PVP to 100% of normal damage, which is about a 43% damage increase from previous values

[undone pumice]

ive had strength cloth boes drop from random ottuks kekw

[raw summit]

[nova linden]

I've seen a couple top arms warriors running Overpower / MS focused builds because Execute isn't as reliable, and those work great too

[sterile carbon]

Interesting, how have you found the survivability? I guess that's the main problem with arms at the moment

[nova linden]

It's not bad, but it's definitely a burst defensive

You either survive or you don't at the end of your CDs

[raw summit]

Needs old dstance

And ip

Fr

[undone pumice]

fr fr

just ignore the pain

[nova linden]

You can always spec into Bitter Immunity, and everyone is running with Impending, so you have some decent healing

[undone pumice]

and stand defensively

[raw summit]

Ignore pain needs to be a pvp talent

[raw summit]

Ok but i want ip

[nova linden]

Realistically you should run with a good healer and avoid that, though

[raw summit]

[gusty wing]

So there is not a haste verse bloody coin 2h

FYI

for anyone who bought one

[undone pumice]

mfw intellect jumpscare

[nova linden]

Not sure why you'd buy a bloody coin weapon when the honor weapons are easy asf to get, don't require upgrading, and are 3 ilvl higher

[undone pumice]

cool transmog

[nova linden]

I spent my bloody coins of 4 piece set and I was done

On my off-pieces

[gusty wing]

its 3 ilvl, they gave you enough for one

[nova linden]

I'd recommend buying off-pieces with bloody coins for the 2-piece and 4-piece bonuses (lowest stat loss from lowered ilvl)

Bracers/Boots/Belt and Shoulders or Gloves

Then buy the rest with honor

The off-pieces are cheap enough that if you buy the bracers + another item, it's a good versatility bonus, and you only spend like 500 coins

[warped warren]

just buy full honor gear, its omega cheap

[nova linden]

But that stun shield is so clutch

Esp for arms

[mild thunder]

the tier set does not work in instanced pvp

[undone pumice]

kek

[craggy mortar]

Just hit 70, ofc I want to figure out builds myself but what's a current build for Arms people are running

I can fuck around and adjust it from there or somethin

[undone pumice]

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJSEJEJpUSSAAAAAJEJJQCQENKRSQoJRQAkEJAAAAAAAAkISSIAA

[nova linden]

This is what I'm running rn

BcEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKDAJJkkkQIpVSSAAAAAJERSBJAR0QSCEKSESAkEJAAAAAAAAkQJJhAA

It's a bit more reserved with the CDs, but it's very effective

[craggy mortar]

Nice I'll stuff around with a few. I've always preferred Arms, dunno why, Fury just isn't fun mechanically for me

[nova linden]

Fury was better when it was 2 1-handers and did good damage with them, now TG is just a big forced choice by Blizzard cause they won't buff SMF

[pearl prism]

SMF stands for Salamander Mating Factory

[raw summit]

Fuck em

[wooden grove]

What kind of fucking monster thinks that titan grip isn’t one of the most badass things

[craggy mortar]

Aesthetically maybe

[wooden grove]

If it was less dps I would still use titans grip

[craggy mortar]

But that about it

[nova linden]

Titan's Grip was really cool like

15 years ago

Now it's been forced on me so much I hate it

[wooden grove]

Lmao then play a rogue

Go get some daggers

[pearl prism]

rogues were removed in latest expansion

[nova linden]

Nah bro I like my classic whirlwind warrior thing

[shut barn]

The word “titan’s grip” it self is fucking op

[warped warren]

[pearl prism]

i think arms/fury + ww + healer is going to be strong 3s again

[undone pumice]

i use this every night

[nova linden]

I'll grip your titan

[undone pumice]

kinky

[shut barn]

who are these btw

[undone pumice]

mwahi and sarri it says right there

[pearl prism]

well, i dont think arms can solo a sub

so thats not good

[opal stone]

why? just curious

[nova linden]

WW is busted strong burst, warrior has good sustain damage

[pearl prism]

yeh

its a nice mix

by the end of the opener

very hard to reopcover

just hit a 125k ms on rogue

felt pretty good

Does anyone turn off pet nameplates in arena?

not minor pets

pet pets

ive been getting the feeling that ignoring them is fine in the current meta?

[gusty wing]

whats better for pvp fury, crit or mastery?

[raw summit]

you need an addon to filter demo pets basically

mastery generally better but crit is ait

[tribal wedge]

mast

[scarlet barn]

Technically all stats good , while running cshb makes crit even more attractive

[loud fjord]

so is protection war fuck up

yes or no

[scarlet barn]

wdym fck up

[mild thunder]

arms/ww would be the squishiest comp anyone could ever create

[pearl prism]

not fury/ww

[loud fjord]

the nerf of the ignore pain

[mild thunder]

fury/ww would be okay, but a bit light on cc and durability compared to other melee cleaves

[muted surge]

What nerf

[loud fjord]

30% to 15%

[muted surge]

Doesn’t matter

Troma doesn’t even play that talent

[loud fjord]

oh i think i ask wrong place

im saying about pve

sorry guys

[elfin surge]

fury ww wouldnt be able to play slaughterhouse. Don't see how that comp could even compare to dh fury.

[mild thunder]

agreed, i was responding to someone else saying it'll be a really good comp

[pearl prism]

why wouldnt it be bad start of season 1?

could blow up someone pretty reliably

[hot solstice]

The heck spriests havent get nerfed yet?

Just fought team with 4spriest on twinpicks...what a clown fiesta

[shut barn]

does warrior have half of mage / rogue community on twitter or blue posts comments crying about not being op or crying for some buffs ?

[elfin surge]

most warriors want to play arms, not fury.

[shut barn]

cause i feel like d stance nerf was something big

[shut barn]

so why the hell they are buffing fury and nerfing arms

[elfin surge]

same reason they buff tanks

clueless

[mild thunder]

fixing arms would take too much effort at this rate

[shut barn]

we need to gather our forces and attack twitter

[mild thunder]

will probably get pushed back to either 10.1 or 11.0

[elfin surge]

Broken arms counters broken fury. Buff arms to become meta and fury wouldnt be played.

[shut barn]

arms not weak against fury tho

but it counters fury for sure

[elfin surge]

ive made twitter and forum posts during beta. nothing but silence.

[shut barn]

but arms weak vs everything

[shut barn]

such a shame

i remember a guy from s2 who was posting everywher about prot pala

xd

u guys had some kinda beef going on xd @elfin surge

[sterile carbon]

i appreciate i probably suck but I'm getting completely blown up in BGs in both arms and fury.

[stuck mulch]

Arms just want condemn back

[mild thunder]

what build are you running as fury?

[elfin surge]

lol mortalx and stunandbung

idiot prot paladin players

[mild thunder]

there's really no damage-focused changes that can fix arms

the problems are defensive

[sterile carbon]

pinned Mud one

[mild thunder]

ok yea idk, press bt faster

[stuck mulch]

Kill them before you die :gigachad warrior way

[shut barn]

i swear if we had 5 - 7 ppl like him on twitter or forums they would have done something for arms XD

[sterile carbon]

😛 i play solo so never have any support really. It's only BGs I guess. just feels like everyone has just as much healing, shields, stuns, cc. still feels rough to me

[mild thunder]

bind bt to mousewheel up and down and just scroll up and down all game

[stuck mulch]

@sterile carbon warrior allways been a class with a pocket healer. But u gotta learn who to attack and where to jump in in bgs

[left scarab]

whats ur gear

[fickle forge]

Slaughter reduced to 25% and caps at 4 stacks
Watch every fury disappear overnight

[sterile carbon]

almost full PVP

[fickle forge]

God I remember when they ruined resolve in S3, destro lock rep went from like 30% to 3% in a single day

It was so good

[mild thunder]

all you'd have to do is add a 3rd dps button and most of the fury mains would disappear

[elfin surge]

Good change but fury shouldnt even have an ms. Arms rogue and ww should be the only ones and arms being the strongest.

[mild thunder]

based

[elfin surge]

[fickle forge]

What about hunter?

Slayed jungle cleave overnight if you take their MS

[elfin surge]

good

[mild thunder]

where's the issue?

[elfin surge]

fuck jungle, the ferals should q kitty with me

[fickle forge]

I'd rather fight jungle meta over assassa RMP
Don't @ me

[elfin surge]

cuz bad

[mild thunder]

everyone just reroll guardian

[fickle forge]

No u

[elfin surge]

demo lock needs an ms

[stuck mulch]

Just prepping my dh pvp alt be the cancer i hate

[elfin surge]

right guys

[fickle forge]

I read the build in the pins and it looks like it was made by a clown

[elfin surge]

I read the build in the pins and it looks like it was made by a clown

[blissful pivot]

hey guys im new to arena. if i play with a disc 2v2 should i most of the time stick to the other healer or at the dps? (fury)

[fickle forge]

Are you saying you don't agree with frost mage having MS?

[elfin surge]

hit the target your priest can hit

[stuck mulch]

But healers dont do dmg

[blissful pivot]

lol yeah thats a very good idea x) and a easy way to learn to play around. thanks

[elfin surge]

disc actually does decent dam

[stuck mulch]

Yea just a meme for the low rated healers that never feel they should switch for a smol amount of "burst"

[elfin surge]

yeah its def a lot more reliable to pick up a random rdruid to be a heal bot

disc actually requires them to assist in kills.

[blissful pivot]

which is a good thing for us atleast. its a way more interactive playstyle for friends in voice

btw mud your streams got me back to my warrior after 10 years so thanks for that 😛

[shut barn]

i was thinking if someone give up playing their main class for switching to meta what if they get cancer can they fight cancer irl ?

its very the same

[elfin surge]

i pretty much exclusively play with disc priests.

[shut barn]

or im overthinking

[elfin surge]

[stuck mulch]

A class in wow = cancer irl

Sounds about right

[shut barn]

ur comment about cancer made me think like that

[gloomy beacon]

Cancer jokes make me

[scarlet barn]

Nevver forgetti

[stuck mulch]

Nah i agree but i wanna be the cancer sometime

Not just be eaten by the cancer u kno

[shut barn]

being cancer is different from giving up vs cancer or what the fuck

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[stuck mulch]

Im not giving up hmmge. Ibjust have it as a pure pvp and profession alt. Since i need potions. And my warrior is pve and pvp. And main phials

So rather have something easy on my alt

[shut barn]

nah bro dont get into details it will ruin our philosophy

[stuck mulch]

True true

[shut barn]

u actually made me think about my life and my decisions

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[sterile carbon]

is it worth getting the CC reduction boots?

[gloomy beacon]

Are you orc?

[sterile carbon]

ye

[tribal wedge]

less worth, but still worth imo

[gloomy beacon]

Yea, up to you , the ilvl can be nice to start with

[tribal wedge]

and anyway you got your second craft item avialable next week sooo

[sterile carbon]

what's the 2nd craft item?

[gloomy beacon]

Helmet

[tribal wedge]

i think it's the helm for plate

[sterile carbon]

ah ok cool

[tribal wedge]

but i don't know if it's BiS

[quaint snow]

how much gold did the boots cost you guys? Approx.

[sterile carbon]

there's no point in doing the "infuse with power" thing on the boots crafting order right? That just increase PVE ilevel?

[tribal wedge]

y

[sterile carbon]

ok thanks

[tribal wedge]

i make it crafted, cost me around 10k gold

[gloomy beacon]

Yea about the same for me

[quaint snow]

Ok thanks

so i just buy the missing mats in AH

[gloomy beacon]

Ya you can, and the primal chaos or whatever it’s called you have to farm on your own

[quaint snow]

yeah i have those ready

Cheers 🥂

[spark zenith]

Fury dmg is ass

Relative to other classes

[tribal wedge]

maybe

but 40% ms

so more pressure

[steep inlet]

https://twitter.com/Zurzabtw/status/1600766869383704577

Logan 🔥 (@Zurzabtw)

@WarcraftDevs

@Warcraft

@holinka
Rogue Cloak of Shadows is no longer working on warrior spear of bastion. Can we fix this?

Twitter · Dec 8, 2022, 8:18 AM

my twitter snitching found that

[spark zenith]

Sure but dmg still too low

[tribal wedge]

i really don't agree

[waxen knot]

U might be using the wrong build

[fickle forge]

Jokes on him, shit's physical now 😎👍

[steep inlet]

😄

[hollow elm]

You playing it wrong lol. It is pumping

[mint tinsel]

is it really? i didnt even notice

[near delta]

Wait whattt didn't realize that lmao

[fickle forge]

Ye boi

[near delta]

[fickle forge]

Magical immunities have no power over it anymore

[near delta]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-you-have-no-power-here-the-two-towers-king-theoden-gif-4882470

[mint tinsel]

tell them skill issue use evasion

[scarlet barn]

I like uneducated ones kek

[graceful ginkgo]

Fury damage is good, self healing overtuned, 40% ms shouldn’t be in the game at all

[spark zenith]

@waxen knot suggestion?

[elfin surge]

fury ms + dk ms stacking = 💀💀

[craggy mortar]

arms pvp, should I go diff gear than the fury list

more crit/haste or

[short sable]

Wait what

[brazen rock]

two different kinds of MS.

[elfin surge]

dk one absorbs healing mine reduces healing

so they stack

[waxen knot]

Did you change your mog yet, Mud?

[elfin surge]

nev

[waxen knot]

Execute looks so prime 😭

[elfin surge]

execute is a chad

[waxen knot]

Your male orc is Giga Chad, what’s his name again scuffed or sometbing

[stuck mulch]

Female orc is the way

[elfin surge]

Disabled

[waxen knot]

Yeeeeee

[pearl prism]

is it possible to solo a guardian druid atm?

ive run into them in shuffle a few times, can kill the other guy but never the guardian

skirm*

[brazen rock]

yup

kite/run from sleeper

its a long slog but you'll win

esp now the tank ring is nerfed.

[pearl prism]

hats cd on sleeper again?

[brazen rock]

1min I believe, 10 sec duration

Keep meaning to make a WA to scream at me whenever I'm targetting a guardian with it up

[marsh laurel]

Do u guys know any trustworthy pvp tier list for s1?

[warped warren]

110% ms 💰 🐒

[scarlet barn]

Kinda weird question isnt it

[marsh laurel]

Didnt play for long time, want an overall image

What changed

[scarlet barn]

Season 1 is not out yet, so any tier list is subjective in nature

And classes are getting nerfed and buffed left and right

[marsh laurel]

Are the buffs and nerfs that huge?

[brazen rock]

yes

[median shuttle]

dk nerf was biiig

[brazen rock]

enhance burst got gutted overnight

dk survivability got giga nuked vs melee

[marsh laurel]

Oof

[brazen rock]

we could see "bloodthirst no longer heals when attacking players" and it wouldn't be all that surprising

[median shuttle]

🙏

[marsh laurel]

Ok lets pit it that way hows fwar at current state? And hows it compared to monk

[median shuttle]

praying on the downfall of my fury brothers

[brazen rock]

spec elitists are cringe

[tribal wedge]

would be a bit overkill imo

[brazen rock]

monk does good dam but dies to a stiff breeze

i'd (personally as a washed up s1/s2 arms abuser) put WW below fury for melee rn

[marsh laurel]

For solo shuff will be same ?

[brazen rock]

yes/no. solo shuff I think fury will be very good by its nature of being able to self sustain

ww will also be very good if you're experienced playing the kite/go playstyle

[marsh laurel]

I also heard there was some big race changes

[brazen rock]

orc cc reduction is basically gone, we get 10/15% cc reduction from trinkets + boot embellish. Blood fury still good. Meta will be human/dark iron/gnome.

Dark iron a bit dependent on how strong/popular assass rogue and feral are.

[marsh laurel]

Gnome?

[brazen rock]

gnome gets max resource, off-gcd root break (that doesn't trigger 30sec trinket cd) and 1% haste.

[marsh laurel]

Hmmm

But i wanted panda badly

https://tenor.com/view/why-whatever-gif-23592041

[brazen rock]

Then play it

[marsh laurel]

Ok thank you a lot mate

For consulting me

[brazen rock]

Race really doesn't matter "that" much

[thick reef]

Panda also has that break combat cc

[near delta]

Orc is still pretty good into rogues cause they lose a gcd during their burst.

[marsh laurel]

Arcane mages seem to be sick though

[brazen rock]

Oh sorry and add Night elf to that list if you're good using shadowmeld

[marsh laurel]

From what i saw on twitch ))

[brazen rock]

that 5% really the difference?

[mint tinsel]

no tier list is trustworthy theyre all about getting clicks and views

[undone pumice]

tier list

gigachad : arms

deathgrip : fury

[warped warren]

[near delta]

Yeah rogues gcd is 1 second and orc makes kidney go from 5.1 to 4.8 seconds so they have to lose a global to cheap off or else you get a global and can fear, rally, disarm, or whatever else will fuck up their burst

[wanton siren]

I know you lads are prolly sick of this question already from alt hoppers but how come fury doesn't stack mastery like in SL?

[dull wolf]

What was this change?

Can’t seem to find the right post

[brazen rock]

One of the maelstrom interactions only stacks to 8 now instead of 10, and another talent got cut in half during pvp

the maelstrom change wasn't listed on a bluepost

[near delta]

That's on top of a 10-15% nerf on their overall damage

[brazen rock]

oh jk the maelstrom thing was a bug

it now stacks past 8 again

[ocean apex]

hi guys, rly don't know where to start. Can you suggest me some guide to play Fury PvP? Is this the best spec atm?

[scarlet barn]

It never stacked mastery in pvp

It is good stat but never was number one aim

[thick reef]

Practice practice practice

[pallid tartan]

Did the arms MS buff help? I know furys better but I just love me some arms (and don’t want to spend twice the cp on two handlers)

[sharp bison]

Check out some of the content creators (i.e. Bajheera)

[pearl prism]

check out my sister too

[tawdry totem]

arms damage is fine but good luck staying alive

That’s the basis for why people won’t play it pvp

[undone pumice]

mastery arms underrated

[wanton siren]

I heard arms is only relevant due to some bugged dmg

[tribal wedge]

?

[undone pumice]

its not relevant and not bugged dmg

[outer elk]

Is there a way of seeing what things are "reduced in pvp" via tooltips or anything? or is it just hidden changes to numbers that are impossible to follow?

[undone pumice]

check numbers before loading into instanced pvp

then check in the instance

[warped warren]

only thing bugged is me about dstance being dogshit 🤣

[elfin surge]

drustvar shows a list

[outer elk]

sweet, cheers!

[ancient sonnet]

What slot for plate gives the 5% cc reduction

[thick steeple]

boots

[ancient sonnet]

Oh thought it was diff slots per armor. Appreciate it

[glad obsidian]

ty 🙂

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fury-warrior-pvp-guide and https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/pvp-overview

[brazen rock]

crit above mast/haste

lmao

still using cb

old guide written by a pve theorycrafter

ignore it

[fickle forge]

It's not updated yet btw

[viscid folio]

Is rated pvp coming out the 12th december of wednesday ?

[fickle forge]

I've marked it as versa > haste > crit = mast now

Idk what Joe is basing his stuff off

[brazen rock]

I believe so, yes.

[fickle forge]

Wait wtf that's Archi

[viscid folio]

yes?

[fickle forge]

Is Joe not the WoWhead PvP writer anymore??

[brazen rock]

yes.

[viscid folio]

yes to wednesday or 12th december

[brazen rock]

buddy

you said dec 12th OF wednesday

not or

[viscid folio]

i meant or

12th december and wednesday not the same

my bad

sorry

[brazen rock]

like i know what day dec12th lands on lmao

[viscid folio]

Presumably wednesday

monday

[brazen rock]

did you play fury this morning? brainrot a lil bit?

[viscid folio]

looolz

actually just did some few skirmishes some arms

and mount runs

[brazen rock]

im pre sure I read everything drops on the 12th but i could be wrong.

[viscid folio]

just waiting for rated pvp

[viscid folio]

would be weird but whatever

[hard hound]

Lmao the archi build

And stats 😂

[proud root]

Do you guys have any addons to make up for the lack of Raid Profiles in the new UI?

[autumn saffron]

Is the world pvp 4-set bis over full honor gear?

[hard hound]

No

[steep inlet]

In world PvP yes

[autumn saffron]

Does the set bonus not work in arena/bgs?

[desert meadow]

not in rated

[hard hound]

Nerf like i predicted it

[steep inlet]

Wait they up guardian

[spice hornet]

They need dat

[ancient sonnet]

not in instanced pvp no

[autumn saffron]

Got it, thanks

[fickle forge]

Nerfed

Bad wording

Used to affect all allies, grouped or not

[thick reef]

Doesnt the 2set work for some reason though?

[ancient sonnet]

only in wpvp

[sterile carbon]

how much commission should i put for craft order for cc boots? I know it varies by realm but literally no idea, never used this system before.

[elfin surge]

10 silver

[sterile carbon]

seems a bit generous

[proud root]

don't they gain profession skill from creating work orders?

[tribal nimbus]

Is prot playable in arena? (I’m a 2100 player looking to meme)

[warm portal]

Nope doesn't work at all dont ever do it 🙂

[sterile carbon]

arms is so rough

[crude bane]

im watching pika one shoting ppl as ret hitting for 160K and say ret is useless what about you guyz

having fun today ?

[onyx vale]

totally normal ret behaviour

[thick reef]

Rets have always been blow your load then become useless. They're so easy to lock down though

[sterile carbon]

any good youtubers to watch for arms pvp because I just cant make it work

[onyx vale]

that's normal my friend

its cuz arms sucks

[crude bane]

yeah try asmongold @sterile carbon

[sterile carbon]

lol;

i'll just stay fury for now. love arms though

[thick reef]

Untill they buff arms survivability it'll remain trash

[crude bane]

wait for fury healing nerf

then you go arms like a chad

[onyx vale]

then roll dh

https://tenor.com/view/taps-if-you-say-so-gif-9803186

[crude bane]

i go WW personnally

[thick reef]

Ww is always a safe bet imo

[crude bane]

i think blizzard forget they exist

[onyx vale]

yeah ww is modern arms

[crude bane]

so its safe

[onyx vale]

so that's a good pick too

tbh I think arms might be nice in 3v3 after the ms buff

but it will feel awful to play being an absolute glass canon bitch focused by everyone

[keen aurora]

in 1v1 who wins fury or dh ?

[thick reef]

Dh

DH are just better in every way fury

[crude bane]

after folder fix

[elfin surge]

[crude bane]

fury win

[keen aurora]

ye that what i think too

[thick reef]

Am I wrong?

[keen aurora]

regen health is better no ,

?

[elfin surge]

dh should win

[crude bane]

@onyx vale im going to play tsg thx to @elfin surge stream yesterday

[keen aurora]

maybe with bad luck on proc demon

[elfin surge]

real mans comp

[crude bane]

demon dont give 100 % anymore and haste its fix

so no more demon proc

we have a chance

[elfin surge]

wait

@crude bane unholy tsg?

[crude bane]

ofc bro

[onyx vale]

i'll play turbo cuz my friend plays enh

[elfin surge]

[keen aurora]

ahahah

[elfin surge]

my man

[thick reef]

Dh have health gain when they most need it in large abundance. And if it comes to it comes to it can kite till they can eye bean or demo again

[crude bane]

even more chad

ill go roar instead of spear

anyone confirm haste is better than mastery

[severe basin]

is fury busted and arms is shit

[thick reef]

Only reason I like roar is you save 2 points from having to take that crit node I love spear so much

[elfin surge]

yus

[rotund thunder]

haste > vers > crit > mast for PvP or haste > vers > mast > crit for fury?

[thick reef]

Isn't crit usually last

[elfin surge]

Vers > Haste > Mastery

[thick reef]

Both my weapons have speed stat weee

[rotund thunder]

Well guess I'll finish out my honor set then go back and fix my wrong purchases then since vers is even higher than haste

[thick reef]

I still don't buy that fury is busted. At least compared to the REALLY busted specs

Being better than the traditional pvp spec of arms doesn't make it broke. Just means arms is shit.

[crude bane]

wtf is this emojis

like a multiple shotgun ?

[raw summit]

It's a bunch of pipes

[thick reef]

It's pipes

It's literally the name

[raw summit]

[crude bane]

why

plz

tell me why

in what situation

tf

[rotund thunder]

I swear rogue and WW can delete me so much faster than I can possibly heal even through enraged regen bloodthirst spam

[elfin surge]

i gave her my

[crude bane]

im waiting next tuning if no nerf to WW

its my alt

[thick reef]

BuT fUrY iS bRoKeN

[crude bane]

bro no 1 say fury is broken

[rotund thunder]

They can also just disarm me and remove my ability to heal while they delete me

[thick reef]

I have seen that said here every day

[crude bane]

its clearly middle pack of melee

even more shittier in pve

[rotund thunder]

they can trinket out of my stun or fear, I can't tirnket out of a disarm 🙂

I mean that's why I'm Prot for M+

tank's always useful

[thick reef]

Disarm the back

[crude bane]

ill tank raid viewer

kekw

[rotund thunder]

okay, but drop which for disarm?

[crude bane]

obv blood

[full quiver]

It's literally pipes

[crude bane]

thats why warms supposed to be better in pvp , they suffer less from root and cc due to BS

[full quiver]

Third one usually

[rotund thunder]

Isn't that our MS?

the reason we're "broken"

[crude bane]

for fury ?

def not since every other MS in the game drop yours

[thick reef]

If your with someone with a Ms, which is likely, you can drop it

[crude bane]

just play turbo and tsg you dont need any peel problem resolved

[paper wigeon]

roar vs spear ? i feel like spear just gives so much utility

[hazy isle]

Good amt of ppl saying fury is better than dh on leddit/forums etc...
Prob dh mains but who knows

[stuck mulch]

what pvp trinkets do u guys use? HP? Proc? on use?

[thick reef]

I can't see anything fury does better but provide a MS.

[quick carbon]

fury mains

Are wild

r u rlly gonna sit thr and say fury’s fine

[thick reef]

Are you here again to say fury is OP while ignoring the many specs that are their better?

[quick carbon]

count the specs better than fury warrior

[muted surge]

Fury is busted af

[thick reef]

They're not even the strongest self healer

[muted surge]

S+ tier

[quick carbon]

count the specs better than fury warrior

[thorn herald]

lol

i love watching fury players talk

[rotund thunder]

havoc, windwalker, sub, ass, shadow, demo

[tribal wedge]

windwalker ?

doubt

[quick carbon]

wind walker is not better than fury, I’ll give you dh sp demo lock lmao

Sub too

[muted surge]

What about enh

Or ele

[quick carbon]

ww explodes when it gets breathed on

[onyx vale]

fury isn't part of the most broken specs in the game, it's like A tier where dh warlock spriest enh are S, but its design is very toxic, there is nothing fun with a dps spec that just heals themselves to full with their basic rotation while keeping a FUCKING 40% MS on you 24/7

[thick reef]

WW is pretty strong if the player knows what they're doing, I'd say they're on the same level as fury, having less self healing but stronger cc and burst

[quick carbon]

Fury is undeniably better than ww

more consistent damage, tankier, broken ms

all ww has over it is mobility and burst damage

[rotund thunder]

They have stronger cc too

[onyx vale]

i don't know about consistent damage

[thick reef]

Y'all keep saying broken Ms so much. Hard to call Ms broken anymore when so many offer it. In an duel setting that holds, in an arena setting it's less a feature now and more a thing every team will have one or more options for

[onyx vale]

fury consistent damage isn't that high

[sage raptor]

Gdruid

[quick carbon]

I meant consistent pressure @onyx vale

[wheat crane]

jesus

ferals bleeds hurt again

[rotund thunder]

They do, but i've been able to out heal feral bleeds as long as I can stick on them

[tribal wedge]

and thats fine ?

[quick carbon]

imagine being able to outheal a classes entire rotation by doing your own rotation LMAO

[rotund thunder]

Yes?

[quick carbon]

Fury mains are fried beyond belief

[rotund thunder]

Go to a fucking warlock or priest discord you weirdo

[quick carbon]

no

[thick reef]

Regardless, multiple specs stronger than fury. Multiple with stronger self healing.

You seen to only see fury from the point of view of dueling

[quick carbon]

I play warrior

multiple specs can be broken at once

[rotund thunder]

DOUBT

[quick carbon]

Fury is just one of those specs

[wheat crane]

fury healing is definitely overtuned

i mean its fine toa dmit it

we all play it lol

[quick carbon]

How does that prove I don’t play warrior lmao

[rotund thunder]

Because you're brand new to the discord and bitching about warrior in the pvp channel

Thus, my doubt

[thick reef]

If fury didnt have it's strong self healing it would be a garbage spec on the same level as arms

[quick carbon]

fury could have no healing at all and it would be good because of it’s insane ms

[quick carbon]

I speak the truth that everyone knows

But refuses to admit

[thick reef]

Oh you really are just an idiot ignorant of other specs

[sage raptor]

MS doesn't mean anything if you die fast

[rotund thunder]

Nobody here is oblivious to the fact that fury is strong, especially stronger than warrior's other DPS showing - arms.

But to say 'Fury is broken" when there are specs much stronger than it is lol

[quick carbon]

Fury isn’t strong it’s obnoxiously toxic

fury 100% is broken

just like demo lock sp and dh and sub rogue

[rotund thunder]

Disarm the fury, watch the fury die

[delicate bronze]

True

[muted surge]

Fury is indeed broken

Nerf them

[full quiver]

Fury is arguably the best melee on the game right now

[muted surge]

Remove prot

[quick carbon]

nerf them to the dirt

[sage raptor]

Cry harder

[sage raptor]

Gdruid better

[thick reef]

The fury only offers self healing, which others have more of, and burst, which others also have. Their CC is awful

[quick carbon]

fury mains really tryna defend thr spec to the max rn

[onyx vale]

fury isn't the best melee in the game

not even close

but the design is indeed toxic

[muted surge]

What about ms

[thick reef]

Without the healing fury is just a worse arms

[quick carbon]

as long as fury stays like this, it’s going to be bad for the game

[tribal wedge]

but with permanent 40 ms

[thick reef]

How many classes offer an MS now

[quick carbon]

Fury should always be worse in pvp than arms

[sage raptor]

Why should it?

[thorn herald]

fury has a 40% ms

lmao

[tribal wedge]

not 40% permanent bro

[thorn herald]

its absolutely better and broken

[thick reef]

And there it is. Your just a troll

[thorn herald]

fury shouldnt have a fucking MS

[hazy isle]

This but unironically

Fuck fury

[quick carbon]

Anyone who actually played warrior before s3 of sl knows it

[thorn herald]

you want to have better consistent damage, and more passive mitigation?

no fucking mortal strike for you

[deft rock]

fury has been super annoying at the beginning of xpacs since bfa

[rotund thunder]

lol

this is the mindset fury mains have in fucking PvE, "arms shoudl always be worse than fury"

No, they should both be good and have their own reason to be brought.

[sage raptor]

🤡

[mystic barn]

I’m sorry fury is too hard for u to play

May I suggest dh

[rotund thunder]

Did you not play cataclysm?

[quick carbon]

fury shouldn’t ever be better in pvp than arms and all the real warriors in here agree with me

[sage raptor]

Warriors with half a brain would say both should be good and prot be terrible

[full quiver]

Fury is way easier than dh

[hazy isle]

Im a fake warrior and i agree

[deft rock]

No, Im sure they were annoying then aswell

[rotund thunder]

I am literally an arms main, and I couldn't disagree more. No spec should be dumpster tier compared to the other spec's options just because once upon a time that was how it always was.

[thick reef]

Pft

[onyx vale]

now

[muted surge]

every class and spec should be at the same level of viability

[onyx vale]

before you remove ms from fury

remove it from all the fucking specs that shouldnt have it

like dh

[full quiver]

Do you play both

[thorn herald]

and fury

lol

[hazy isle]

Im literally braindead and i think fury is easier than dh

[onyx vale]

and so many others

[full quiver]

I've played both over 2200

[quick carbon]

dh shouldn’t have ms I agree

[muted surge]

Absolutely

[full quiver]

And fury is a lot easier

[thick reef]

Lukey already admitted they just think fury has to be weaker. From this point on they can just be disregarded as a troll

[hazy isle]

Fury is autopilot af

[thick reef]

Or just a moron

[sage raptor]

Trying to fit in lol

[hazy isle]

Dumb gay spec tbh fr fr

[rotund thunder]

I mean, I'm pointing this out again. They aren't from this discord

They're literally just shwoing up to bitch in the pvp channel

and bitching about "fury mains"

[quick carbon]

I mean I do main warrior

But okay

[rotund thunder]

like every warrior playing fury right now is a 'fury main' and not a mix of arms and fury mains

[thick reef]

They got beat in pvp and are now whining more or less yes

[rotund thunder]

I have a 60 of every class prior to dragonflight launch, does that mean I play every class?

No, I play warrior.

[raw summit]

I play badly

[thick reef]

Mad that arms isn't viable so want fury dragged down rather than arms pulled up

[raw summit]

Im built different

[quick carbon]

arms is viable

[sage raptor]

Based

[raw summit]

Eh

[thick reef]

Lolno

[rotund thunder]

Arms is viable at tanking your rating, I agree

[quick carbon]

arms is definitely viable

[elfin surge]

what did i miss

[sage raptor]

Damage is okay but it's defensives need some tlc

[stuck mulch]

fuck all

[quick carbon]

I told them the truth ab fury

[full quiver]

@elfin surge

[quick carbon]

that they refuse to admit

[raw summit]

Are u one of qcps dk andies

[somber comet]

Oh boy I haven't been here in a while.

[quick carbon]

I told them arms deserves to be better in pvp than fury

[somber comet]

🍿

[quick carbon]

And they lost their minds

[elfin surge]

lol

[spice hornet]

[raw summit]

I recommend the use of this:

[thick reef]

Lukey admitting they just want fury to always be worse than arms and then trying to act like theyre not an idiot

[elfin surge]

fury should never be arena viable.

[raw summit]

Ok but the entire channel wants that

[sage raptor]

🤡

[full quiver]

Fury being better than arms is awful

[spice hornet]

Prot main

[sage raptor]

Don't you queue prot MUD?

[raw summit]

Dekel would put mud in the dirt

[spice hornet]

He does

[full quiver]

Yes

[elfin surge]

dead meme

[thick reef]

Here's an idea. They should both be viable

[spice hornet]

Dekel would put mud in the mud

[sage raptor]

Prot main spotted. Opinion ignored.

[hazy isle]

Tank players are redditors

[raw summit]

As dead as the statbug

[spice hornet]

[spice hornet]

Broooo

[full quiver]

Explain that then mud

[elfin surge]

tbh dragonflight fury is infinitely better designed than shadowlands.

[spice hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in-4k-caught-in4k-chungus-gif-19840038

[thick reef]

If fury was nerfed below arms it wouldn't make arms better. It would make warrior a bum class

[quick carbon]

Any warrior who played b4 sl s3 knows what the true warrior spec is

[sharp meteor]

Pay no mind to Lukey trying to fit in by hating Fury.

[raw summit]

Condemn

The best warrior spec

Inshallah

[quick carbon]

TRUE

[onyx vale]

I truly think warrior is the only class that really wants one of their spec to not be viable

scratch that, unholy are like that toward frost players too

[sage raptor]

Yeah

Also true

[raw summit]

Mages with arcane

[stuck mulch]

feral and balance :

[onyx vale]

which is funny cuz unholy hasn't been the "skilled" spec since legion

when they lost their dot management and became a combo class

[elfin surge]

this chat

[sage raptor]

It's not that I don't want frost to be viable, I just prefer unholy yo be better :)

[thick reef]

Unholy feels weird to me now

[onyx vale]

in pvp there's the pet so i suppose it's still more skilled

[raw summit]

Hey mudforged can you please mute the annoying people

[sharp meteor]

I mean DK hasn't played sim in a while and pet kick is a dps loss.

[full quiver]

Woke up this morning 450 msgs in dk disc lmao

[elfin surge]

[sharp meteor]

Hope they buff DS a bit so DK doesn't disappear

[thick reef]

Alot of the anger between frost and unholy is from frost being forever mad that 2h stopped being viable, I think

[sage raptor]

I called you a hobknocker. Did you see it?

[full quiver]

I didn't lmal

[icy spruce]

I enjoyed condemn a lot in early sl

[full quiver]

Cba to read it all

[sage raptor]

I HATE YOU

[icy spruce]

But I didn’t play much cause I maimed mage

[full quiver]

😎

[sage raptor]

Have you played dk since the ds nerf?

[rotund thunder]

I liked the animation, glad it's still there if you talent execute stuff

I hated gameplay in shadowlands, period.

[sharp meteor]

?

[full quiver]

Mud asked holinka to nerf DS for other specs in hopes to get petkick to play blood so he can continue to queue with tanks

[icy spruce]

It was fun as a fire mage lol s1

[thorn herald]

doesnt surprise me

[icy spruce]

But I stopped playing at the end of the first raid tier

[spice hornet]

[onyx vale]

everyone here talking about arms vs fury, when the reality is that fury will get nerfed and you'll all play prot in v3 like the meta slaves you are

not me tho, i'll reroll dh

[sage raptor]

Have you... or have you not..... played DK since the death strike nerf?

[onyx vale]

[icy spruce]

Is prot fun to play

[thorn herald]

yes

unironically it is fun to play

[full quiver]

Ask mud

[icy spruce]

As like a tank or is it like a dmg build or something

[rotund thunder]

I'll just M+ the season because the armor is shit anyways