pvp

[elfin escarp]

They think the deep wounds heals with be enough.

I wonder if they would change that talent to "all bleeds heal for 85%" or something like that

[spice hornet]

yeah its weird that ability is now prot only when frost has all the fire spells, shadow has tons of spells from other sepcs

[hard hound]

I don’t understand blizz logic sometimes

Ignore pain wase a key spell for all spec

[wheat crane]

You made 2 mistakes: 1. Assuming there is logic and 2. Assuming they give a shit

[elfin escarp]

@hard hound I mean. Im not mad at them about arm. They obviously see something needs to change. They are just doing it a little differently than SL arms.

[hard hound]

I can only think with logic i’m Vulcan 🖖🏻

https://tenor.com/view/vulcan-salute-spock-star-trek-the-original-series-live-long-and-prosper-gif-23575376

[undone ermine]

I'd wager last week's tuning will be followed up by more this week; there's no way they don't nerf DH again.

[hard hound]

I think next week arms can be fine with some adjustments

[high sparrow]

I dont understand how dh didnt get nerfed harder

theyre broken in pve too, not just pvp

[hard hound]

Maybe soon … who knows

[brazen rock]

unironically they could take a 10% aura nerf and still be S tier in all content

[elfin escarp]

I think they are cautious to not gut specs. Which we should be grateful for as a whole.

I wouldnt be mad at the idea of Deep wounds being our source of "defensive".

Fury can't heal without being on a target. So if arms can stay alive with bleeds on targets. It should be fine. IN THEORY.

[full quiver]

Yeah super cautious

You can tell by their approach to DK defensive

[hard hound]

Dk still fine with the big nerf imo

[elfin escarp]

DK was unkillable alot of the times. They aren't a lost hope now. Even DK creators said as much.

[full quiver]

Lol yeah now they are the best kt in every match

[hard hound]

Not best kt than arms xD

[elfin escarp]

@hard hound so they got a 50% nerf from immortal status. I think that's a win lol. Like the death strike heals are ridiculous.

[undone ermine]

And it's not even a 50% nerf; it's like -50% off a +20% improvement.

[elfin escarp]

Exactly.

[undone ermine]

Folks just see -50% and freak out a bit because we all have lizard brains.

[elfin escarp]

Like less 30% passive damage at less than 30% health or whatever. Is nucking futs lol.

I actually like that DPS can die lol

Might be a hot take.

[undone ermine]

As long as we move away from the one-shot meta of SL (Convoke I'm looking at you).

Get zero'd through D-stance in a single stun by one player is disgusting.

[full quiver]

No

It's 50% of DS and 50% off a 60% increase talent

It heals like 12% now for 40 rp lmao

Before ms

[elfin escarp]

Okay. So they can back to back for 24%

[full quiver]

No

For 12%

Before ms

[elfin escarp]

I'm saying hit DS twice.

[full quiver]

Lmao ok man

👍

Spend full rune bar for same thing fury gets hitting bs 2x

[elfin escarp]

Am I wrong? I don't care. Tell me.

It's for discussion.

[high sparrow]

??

[full quiver]

They will roll the nerf back a bit

It's way over tuned

[elfin escarp]

There's so many ways to build RP though.

And maybe they will

[full quiver]

It's like dstance nerf 2.0

[elfin escarp]

DKs got blown up by physical damage in SL. And it seemed to make sense and Warriors could get slapped around by magic.

I'm all about classes having weaknesses.

Fury seems to be able to do a little bit of everything too well imo.

[full quiver]

You can go look at mes vod

Of him spamming DS and his hp bar not moving

He did some skirms earlier

[undone ermine]

Man I feel like that when I hit Impending Victory on arms. 😐

Barely moves the needle half the time.

[elfin escarp]

Lmao true.

But you could be right @full quiver . Maybe they will change it.

[full quiver]

Either that or a lot of other things need to be reigned in

[spice hornet]

go off sis @full quiver

[full quiver]

I wish I took a SS of u on the ground smh

🤣🤣🤣

[spice hornet]

that was Mud on his alt

[full quiver]

Makes sense

[spice hornet]

You got us confused

[elfin escarp]

I dont like DPS being that self sufficient though. Am I the only one?

[full quiver]

Mud sucks without petkick piloting him

🐀🐀🐀🐀

[past copper]

should I buy my 2 weapons before getting gear or 1 weapon gear then the other weapon?

[limpid fossil]

Haven't tried annihilator yet. Has anyone played with 1h vs 2h for it? Curious how it plays

[full quiver]

Hey after this nerf your monks one shot would've killed me lmao

[undone ermine]

I hate that it seems to be uneven; like out in World PvP Arms feels like it gets wrecked because they can't self-heal.

[elfin escarp]

I think its conquest weapon first.

@undone ermine wpvp isn't meant to be balanced though. It kind of all goes out the window in terms or balance.

[past copper]

what's the stat priority for fury? haste mastery crit?

[elfin escarp]

@full quiver just thought about the skirms that DK was playing. It could have been a dampening thing too.

[undone ermine]

Sure. Though losing out because you're one of only a small handful of specs with no self-heals seems like an easy problem to fix.

[undone pumice]

[elfin escarp]

@undone ermine to me in Wpvp its too hard to balance. It's like trying to make every spec the best leveling spec.

[full quiver]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1671630430?t=13h08m54s

[elfin escarp]

I'll look later. It's taco bell time lol

[high sparrow]

is this supposed to prove ur point

cos look at the healing meter lmao

[full quiver]

Yeah it's all spell warding

Ds doing nothing

[high sparrow]

the most disgusting thing about this clip is the warlock healing

and knowing most of it was passive

[full quiver]

Idk the whole idea behind it makes no sense, like get rid of spell warden or nerf it again

And leave DS alone

Or change its interaction with will

Taking a shit load of dam and ds heals for 22k lol

[calm geode]

Is anyone else having issues with cancelaura not working? I used it constantly for bladestorm and I can't get it to work, in macro, typing it manually, even right clicking the buff off. Was if officially changed at some point?

[brazen rock]

hurricane

cant cancel if talented.

[elfin surge]

real

[warm pollen]

what else should i aim for after getting the full honor gear?

[serene cobalt]

learn your class well and when to use certain pvp talents

[brazen rock]

spam skirms for practice

thats about it

[warm pollen]

thanks you guys

how bout those boots that people are crafting ?

[wooden grove]

what about them

get the crafted boots and helmet

just do it

boots > helmet

[cinder thorn]

What boots and helm can someone link

[wooden grove]

infurious boots and infurious helm

[cinder thorn]

Thx I'll look up

[wooden grove]

is the helmet

dont have a ss of the boots personally

[wild heath]

33arms

[warm pollen]

how do i get them ?

do i have to be blacksmith or something ?

[cinder thorn]

Omg didn't even know these existed lol

[limpid fossil]

Should be able to put in a crafting order

[cinder thorn]

Will conquest gear be higher ilvl than these or same or lower

[wooden grove]

conquest is 424 so is the crafted

[cinder thorn]

Will conquest have these kind of bonuses also or just the crafted

I'm wondering if crafted will be better than conquest

[full quiver]

We'll have set pieces

[wooden grove]

only 2 crafted available or wearable at a time

[full quiver]

So kinda depends on which slot those are in and the stats on the conversion

[cinder thorn]

OK I'll wait.then until we see before buying these things

How much they going for?

[fiery oxide]

whats the stat prio for arms in pvp, does anyone know?

[warm pollen]

whats the macro to make ravager drop in my position ?

[supple yoke]

/cast[@cursor]

Or @clear halo

[frank knoll]

i ran into Bruin tonight

[lyric fern]

Hi, can anyone share an arms build for bgs?

[lime fossil]

so were you guys right? are warrs better than dks now??

[spice hornet]

NO FUCKING WAY THIS IS MY OLD partner LMFAO he’s such a Rager holy shit

[sage raptor]

Fury is

[safe harness]

I'm new to pvp, ez game

Got the quest done that goes along with it

[brazen rock]

i mean gz your on a dead shard where you dont get mobbed by 50 people the second you get assassin

[safe harness]

wasn't 50 lol but then again we were farming in a group of 4 for wrathion

at some point we were all horde assassins

[brazen rock]

🤷‍♂️ ofc its easy in an organized group

[safe harness]

wouldn't call ourselves organised

[frank knoll]

This was a random bg 60-69 bracket on my shitty alt

He check.PvP’d me it was hilarious

@spice hornet

[wooden grove]

lmao only true trash cans out here check pvping people

then their highest rating was from fuckin wod or something

[wooden grove]

i think he means any group at all lmao

[sage raptor]

It's true. I was the couch the dad was being kissed on.

[bright flume]

hey guys

crafted helmet first?

[wild heath]

so arms pvp

how good is it compared to fury

[elfin escarp]

@full quiver yeah that clip was pretty bad lol

@wild heath apparently Arms just falls over.

[spice hornet]

Keep trolling him

He’s so easy to piss off

[molten dagger]

which pieces to get for bloody token gear?

[thick reef]

You don't if you are only doing instanced content

[bright flume]

hey guys

pain or gain or second wind?

just lost an arena because i didnt have the second wind heal me up while i was kiting

sick of not running it..

[near delta]

Just try it out and see what gels with you more.

[bright flume]

im sure pain and gain is needed

its a big heal every 10 secs

[near delta]

Second wind gains a lot of value in these random skirms without healers were doing rn

[bright flume]

yeh

thats what i was thinking

once its rated wont be needed

[near delta]

We have so much passive healing anyway

Not a big deal either way

[still sequoia]

do you think it'll be nerfed?

[near delta]

And we don't have any kind of on demand self heal

[near delta]

The passive healing? Probably

But that is part of furys niche

[rare ibex]

If I upgrade honor gear, I know the ilvl doesn't change.. but does it bump the secondary stats? Or just minimum ilvl goes up?

[brazen rock]

in pvp, no.

nothing changes in pvp.

[still sequoia]

every class discord is bitching about fury

it makes me sad

bc it feels like nerfs are coming

[rare ibex]

Yeah I'm having a great time 😦

[thick reef]

Non-pvp only

[rare ibex]

OK so upgrading honor gear really isnt worth it if i'm 376 in pve

[thick reef]

Absolutely not, since Honor caps at 366

[rare ibex]

thanks for the info

[brittle swift]

we stacking leech or speed enchants

[wooden grove]

whatever you want

[brazen rock]

lmao theres leech enchants

how much % worth

[wooden grove]

i know at least bracers has it

like 3.5% or something

cloak, bracer, boots have speed but stamina is better

i mean shit maybe you stack all speed even boots and you're fast af boi

[brittle swift]

gunna try leech

just be a healing god

but yeah i agree fast af boi

[brazen rock]

200 speed is what

5%?

[wooden grove]

idfk

lmao

[brittle swift]

the bracer is 7% leech

[wooden grove]

probably at top quality

[brittle swift]

nope

but bought bronze

7%

[wooden grove]

legit

[brittle swift]

yeah

[wooden grove]

lmao

[brazen rock]

no its not 7%.

its 1.25%

[rare ibex]

I have +100 bracer and +75 cloak and the talent and only 7%

[wooden grove]

lmaoooooo

[brazen rock]

you have 5% flat leech from a talent.

[brittle swift]

oh

right

fuck

that makes sense hahhah

[brazen rock]

lmao

7% leech from an enchant

imagine

[rare ibex]

7% would be OP

[wooden grove]

i was about to say

[brittle swift]

yeah fuck never min

that would be insane

[brazen rock]

you go 125 cloak and 125 bracer, 250 leech is 2.27%

[icy spruce]

hows arms treating yall?

[brazen rock]

200 speed is 4%

thats bronze (1star)

[wooden grove]

200 speed boots, 150 speed bracer, 125 cloak

spring for the higher quality cloak yknow

[brazen rock]

now that is spicy

along with 5% from talents

[wooden grove]

fast af boi

[brazen rock]

cloak(3star) 125 bracer(3star) 125 and boots(1star) 200, 450 speed or 9%

[wooden grove]

then just get lucky with the vault lmao

keep on stackin

[molten dagger]

godamn weapon enchants so ex

[severe skiff]

They'll tank hard when season starts and there is an influx of epic quality gear to disenchant

[mild ibex]

Anyone know what’s the difference in enchant weapon quality ? The price difference is significant but the stats look quite similar ?

[tribal torrent]

crit & vers for arms war?

[thick reef]

Vers > Haste iirc

Someone will say go "ackshually" if I'm wrong

[still sequoia]

is that the same for fury @thick reef ?

[thick reef]

You only play Fury this patch

Arms is irrelevant

[molten dagger]

fury good atm?

[thick reef]

Fury is good

[still sequoia]

ouch bro

ouch

[thick reef]

Bruh, come back to me when Arms doesn't die when someone looks at it funny

[junior kelp]

i decided to start leveling my fury, but like is it actually good? I havent seen any furys pump, they just kinda sit there and heal a lot but they are just slapping me with wet noodles

[severe skiff]

It hits hard enough to kill with 40% MS

[junior kelp]

so you go max mastery + haste with your gear i assume?

[severe skiff]

Haste where you can, mastery where you can't get haste

[junior kelp]

ok basically the same as before then

[severe skiff]

Why is thunderous roar bleed doing so much extra damage to the pvp dummy? does the tooltip not reflect all the bleed increases?

even with only 1 crit tic its doing a total of 120k~ bleed damage

[pearl prism]

hey guys, WW main finally switching to warr main this expansion. Is anyone anticipating Arms might be finally able to compete with fury in arena with the upcoming buffs? Or should just wait to see some data after the patch?

Also, anyone know any good talent builds for Arms with the upcoming MS buffs? Is there a strong MS build to maximise with these buffs?

[severe skiff]

Arms still doesn't compete with fury after the buffs, It's going to take a defensive buff to start to make it playable

[quick carbon]

fury warrior mains are autistic, that is all

[severe skiff]

truth

[junior kelp]

is single minded fury still meme territory or is it usable?

[severe skiff]

meme

[drowsy wasp]

spriest got a nerf, whos next

[severe skiff]

spriest could stand to use a few more but it was a good nerf

highly suspect fury will be on the next round of notes

would say DH too but they seem to be doing everything in their power to avoid that

[quick carbon]

i hope to god dh and fury r next

[severe skiff]

They just need to fix blur and nerf the leech amount of the glaive toss on demon proc, that coupled with the fodder nerf would be pretty good, could stand to use more but that would be a good start

[quick carbon]

then remove furys ms

from the game

then furys fine

[severe skiff]

I wish

honestly they can either nerf cold steel leech amount + bloodthirst max hp heal

or just remove the bloodthirst heal portion from bloodbath

and nerf cold steel leech amount

[quick carbon]

remove the ms first b4 u do anything

[severe skiff]

I still don't understand how fury can have a 40% MS but the mortal strike spec itself has a gimp version now lol

[quick carbon]

no the ms spec has a regular ms, the cringe spec has the most toxic ms ever seen in the game

[fiery oxide]

is it a flat 40% MS for fury?

[drowsy wasp]

fury's MS needs ramp up time

[fiery oxide]

oh

[quick carbon]

if you do your rotation on someone you just apply 40% ms

passively

[drowsy wasp]

it takes like 20 sec

to reach 40%

[junior kelp]

its like 10% or something each rampage

[fiery oxide]

right

[quick carbon]

1 rampage

is 20%

[junior kelp]

yep ur right

[quick carbon]

you hit rampage u get 20% then u prock recklessness off of it then u rampage again instantly

40% ms the entire game

[fiery oxide]

what a time to be alive when the MS spec doesn't have the best MS

[drowsy wasp]

fury's MS consumes a pvp talent slot

[junior kelp]

low key its kinda the worst MS in the game 💀

[quick carbon]

!?!?!??!

!?/!1

low key its kinda the worst MS in the game 💀low key its kinda the worst MS in the game 💀low key its kinda the worst MS in the game 💀low key its kinda the worst MS in the game 💀low key its kinda the worst MS in the game 💀

[severe skiff]

so does sharpen, and that isn't enough of a cost

[quick carbon]

?!!?!?!?????????????

??????????????????

[junior kelp]

id rather have assass rogue MS than arms

[drowsy wasp]

if sharpen last 15 sec it would be good

[quick carbon]

if sharpen

lasted

15 seconds

every healer wouldquit

sharpen is fine as a cd

[spice hornet]

Some cooked individuals in here lately

[junior kelp]

yeah kinda sounds like someone just got their shit rocked by a fury

[quick carbon]

i just hate seeing them

everywhere

it disgusts me

[junior kelp]

they really arent as popular as u making em out to be

i still see more locks than warrs

[severe skiff]

You're being purposefully blind if you want to pretend that you aren't seeing fury wars everywhere in pvp

Let me guess they weren't popular the last two seasons of SL either?

[junior kelp]

when did i say they were unpopular?

i said i still see more locks

[quick carbon]

theyre popular and also the easiest spec in the game to play

[spice hornet]

[quick carbon]

and also one of the most oppressive

now ik how everyone felt ab arms

in sl

[severe skiff]

You literally said

[rare ibex]

Fury MS is slaughterhouse, right? (new to fury)

[severe skiff]

They aren't as popular as we are making them out ot be lol

yes

[junior kelp]

yes, you guys are talking like its the most popular spec and its the only thing you see in every game but thats just not the case

[severe skiff]

It's one of the most "fotm" specs atm yes

[quick carbon]

i said i see them everywhere

where didd i say its the ONLY thing

i see

[junior kelp]

what do you think "everywhere" means

[quick carbon]

that there everywhere?!?!?!?!?

[shut barn]

People need to accept that warrior is the most impressive and satisfying class in the history of WOW

Like who hates to be a warrior

[delicate bronze]

someone send me arms talent build

[junior kelp]

idk about impressive, but they are hella satisfying

[shut barn]

I don’t talk about gameplay particularly

Lore and all of the traditions and memes about warriors

[quick carbon]

dont get me wrong

i love warrior

just not the dw spec of it

[severe skiff]

BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARikEJJJJKlkEAAAAQQkkAJAR0okIJJhmEhEAEJAAAAAAAAkESCAA Best feeling one to me, even after the buffs It doesn't feel like sharpened blades/unhinged build is better

Can go spear instead of roar, spear does more damage in a much shorter window, longer cd + have to aim, Roar easier to cleave with + option to have it be 1min cd.

[patent musk]

i just played Prote in a BG, fuck this spec is fun hahaha

[fiery oxide]

What's the healing like on that build? same as others or more

[severe skiff]

same as others, fueled by violence is still pretty bad, but it will do more healing than storm wall unless people just afk and auto attack into your die by the sword

[fiery oxide]

right

arms just doomed to be squishy then i guess

[severe skiff]

Until they fix dstance and or give us ignore pain back, yes

[bright flume]

we cant upgrade the world pvp set atm right?

[severe skiff]

no, the tokens aren't available yet, think they are from a weekly wpvp quest once season starts

[bright flume]

okay cool

whats your thoughts on what will be best setup? maybe 2 of that set for the vers bonus?

[severe skiff]

the set bonuses don't work in arena

at the start of the season it will be worth supplementing your conquest gear with upgraded war mode gear for higher ilvl

but by the time we get tier pieces you prob won't be using any of it

[bright flume]

gotcha

what about the shard we need to craft the items can we get our 2nd one yet?

[fiery oxide]

oh so we use PvE tier pieces in arena? or am i missing something

[bright flume]

and thanks for clearing that up

yeh its a pvp set not pve

[fiery oxide]

ah excellent

[bright flume]

the bloody token one

upgraded

[fiery oxide]

oh no i know about the bloody token ones, i meant ork's comment about tier pieces

[severe skiff]

Yes its like SL where we will take our conquest body for example

to the forge

[sharp meteor]

No, you just upgrade/convert pvp pieces.

[severe skiff]

and convert it into the pve tier piece

[fiery oxide]

...oh wow. didn't play SL so didnt even realise that was a thing

[severe skiff]

It doesn't retain the pvp stats, the stats change to the stats that the tier peice has

piece*

[fiery oxide]

right

[severe skiff]

but it does retain the pvp ilvl

[fiery oxide]

and you gain the tier set bonus in pvp, correct?

[bright flume]

so no versatlity just two main stats?

[severe skiff]

if you're talking about spark of ingenuity then think the second quest is available next week

think one of the war pieces has vers

[bright flume]

ty

[severe skiff]

but yeah this tier is going to be pretty crit/mastery heavy

[bright flume]

we dont want that right

haste mastery

on fury

[severe skiff]

The set bonus for fury is worth it

[bright flume]

oh theres a set

whats it called bro ill try find it

this is all new to me

and gotcha on the shard yeh need that second spark to make my boots

that helm is nuts though xD

[severe skiff]

https://www.wowhead.com/item-set=1538/stones-of-the-walking-mountain

[bright flume]

execute buffs?

[severe skiff]

3 pieces with haste so not really losing much haste for fury

[bright flume]

dont we use bloodthirst when low

[severe skiff]

It makes your execute proc crazy often

which smooths out your rotation

of bloodthirst > bloodbath > bloodbath > execute > rampage > repeat

[fiery oxide]

so the tradeup is more damage and less vers

[severe skiff]

also a considerable damage boost

yeah

[fiery oxide]

interesting

[severe skiff]

You'll only be wearing 4 pieces of it, and 3 pieces do have versa

Fury will prob use shoulder, legs, helm and then its a toss up between body or hands since I don't think there are haste pvp hands

so have to pick if you want more haste or more versa

[delicate bronze]

is that pve gear?

[severe skiff]

Yes, but you will eventually convert your conquest pieces into it

[bright flume]

i guess execute is a big rage gainer so having that proc more could be nice

[severe skiff]

It's a good damage boost too, but yes the extra rage really smooths out the rotation

[pearl prism]

Is prot going to be a serous arena spec this season?

[fiery oxide]

if you get the item from the raid, can you make it so it has the pvp ilvl? or you need to get the conquest piece first

[bright flume]

what do u mean by damage boost

[severe skiff]

conquest piece first

[bright flume]

the crit chance ?

[fiery oxide]

Sudden Death’s chance to reset the cooldown of Execute and make it usable on any target, regardless of health, is greatly increased.

i think they mean that

[severe skiff]

More frequent executes in the build phase of your rotation is more damage

[bright flume]

for sure

that build phase is the only thing we lacking atm

without cds

anyway

[severe skiff]

you'll prob also taken ashen juggernaut when you get set bonus

it procs often enough to keep that buff rolling if you aren't getting CC'd

[thorn herald]

they apparently changed some of the stats

we have 3 pieces with versa on it for like a total of 770

[severe skiff]

yeah I just seen that and thought I wasn't remembering correctly

had way more crit/mastery in beta lol

[bright flume]

thats good then

without vers we wont be so tanky

[molten dagger]

so Fury > Arms eh

is there a list for which pieces of honor gear to get

[pearl prism]

has arms been tested enough since latest buffs tho?

[severe skiff]

Arms has enough damage to kill atm, but it sort of did before the buffs too, barely. But the buffs did nothing to arms sustain/mitigation which is sorely lacks

Don't really need to test when they didn't do anything worth testing

[molten dagger]

oh there is

lotsa vers no mastery tho

[crystal laurel]

arms doesnt feel good atm in arena

fury pump out more burst and healing

[molten dagger]

how do we use the medal of honor lol

[mild thunder]

just as an fyi, Bloodletting is nerfed by 50% in PvP - almost definitely never worthwhile for just 3 extra sec on your bleeds. also seems kinda weird to take the %stat talents over the potential to aoe rend with TC on a bleed build.

[severe skiff]

Have to spend two points for TC rend spread, Doesn't seem worth it when sweeping has 50% uptime and rend has a pretty long duration

bloodletting pretty low value with the nerf but for the build not many other options, can put it in unhinged or exhil blows I guess, bloodsurge if they ever give us back ignore pain and we had an increased demand for rage

[restive nimbus]

@elfin surge gief arms tree and gear 🙏

[elfin surge]

hard to test arms without an active pvp season

[restive nimbus]

Shit, well if you figure out anything for bgs and open world let us know please

Was shit with war then used ur fury build and got wrecking ball lol

So I trust

[elfin surge]

arms is dead

the spec and you if u play it

[restive nimbus]

BRB going mm hunt till it works I suppose

[thorn herald]

i play it u smelly paladin dork

[warm kiln]

Hi guys. What you experience PvPer and fury players thinks about Bajheera build? https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DAQFVFUVEERUQQphEQEBROVVFRUVEQVAoVBUBQDhWLmhQVOhXAB

[sharp meteor]

looks like the exact build everybody has been running for a while minus imp ww

which'll just kind of vary by matchup

[warm kiln]

Maybe i'm not playing it as i should, but with @elfin surge build, i can survive more. I'm not a experience Fury Warr anyway so maybe that's why.

[sharp meteor]

mostly just fundamentals as the spec is like 2-3 buttons to smash while running at somebody ya

[full axle]

prot warrior in arena is broken, holy shit

[undone pumice]

bajheerer build just looks like mud build but no roar instead spear

[warm kiln]

Fair enough. Sorry for my stupid question, still a newbie on fury warrior ^^

[graceful ginkgo]

which healer would you prefer in turbo with fury warr?

for s1

[sharp meteor]

dunno but my healer wants to play mw so will report back in a week and a half

[undone pumice]

not a stupid q

[undone pumice]

prob pal or dudu

[graceful ginkgo]

ok ty

[lucid walrus]

the devs must think fueled by violence is a lifeline with the way it keeps getting buffed

85% and still awful

[delicate bronze]

tf is this paladin blue shield around them that he has every sec or so

had this ret in arena and he kept spamming that

[patent meteor]

hows Arms after this morning's buffs?

[sharp meteor]

i'd have said prevoker or rdroo

not sure what to think about hpal

seems too vulnerable mana wise

turb doesn't really usually play to end by second go

[thorn herald]

better but still overshadowed

[delicate fable]

Its the stupid buffs to fuelled by violence which I assume, as a person mentioned above, devs think that’s the survival that arms needs

But furry can outheal bad healers while popping defensives while stunned while arms can simply die in a stun so

[patent meteor]

Yeah the buffs didn't make me want to swap yet

since fury has so much dmg/survivability

bnut i was curious

[delicate fable]

I still am trying with arms, didnt test this morning changes but I feel it will be a lot better

For damage

[patent meteor]

im typically more leaned towards arms

but the extra stats from the offhand also make it so nice

[delicate fable]

I just like it more, the feel the big numbers etc but feels bad when I switch to furry and I can easily survive while having less setup to do damage

Will see also next patch as s1 start, that will prolly settle everything out aka joining my prot brothers

[junior kelp]

mm furry warrior

[sharp meteor]

[warped warren]

[main barn]

hey guys this isnt real right? just looked at pins build, we legit just use blood thirst and rampage now???

[delicate fable]

Yes

[stiff dust]

Yes

[main barn]

does anyone play ravager instead of annihilator? or is it not even close?

[mortal roost]

Two of the same Weapon Enchant stack together their values, but do not increase uptime. I'm betting Bliz would make "Writ" and "Devotion" enchants add together, but I dunno. Not sure what happens if you have two different enchants.

[sharp meteor]

Raging blow is a lot of dmg but bt is a lot of healing.

[delicate fable]

I think they are close but annihilator actually feels smoother than having raging blow if you can imagine

[mortal roost]

here is what 2 wafting writs 1 * gets you (no enrage/frenzy haste shown)

[opal stone]

if im making my embellished piece do I need the materials to be 3star to have the piece of gear be 3star

[mortal roost]

Nah, 2 star materials and a decent crafter will easily hit 3*

using a 3* missive and a 2* embelishment, I can auto-craft a 4* piece. Probably could use even a lower level misssive/adornment at this point

[stiff dust]

Hi does the buff changes smth? ( arm warrior )

[delicate fable]

Yeah more damage, the heal is a minimal buff to survivability which is what the main problem was in the first place

[main barn]

So wait, we can’t cleave anymore with whirlwind (like ww hamstring or ww rampage for healing debuff)

[sharp meteor]

imp ww

[main barn]

Ya I guess I’m specifically talking about the recommended build

[sharp meteor]

recc builds are a starter point

not what u play every game

there is no bis build for all matchups

[molten dagger]

does honor gear work in world pvp?

[muted surge]

Yes

[wet ingot]

Hello
Which stats are for prot warrior in pvp please?

[sage raptor]

Haste has been feeling pretty good

[pearl prism]

anyone reckon prot is just as good as fury in arena atm?

[raw summit]

sadly

[thorn escarp]

Need arms pvp talent can some1 pin

[muted surge]

There’s no arms

Only prot and fury

[steep inlet]

Fury has 40% ms mad regen big dps and more comps

[molten dagger]

whats the 40% ms

[warm pollen]

slaughterhouse

[tribal wedge]

is the ms buff delayed or not up against the pvp dummy? i don't see any difference with my yesterday test

while i saw the exec one

[vapid rover]

Yeah, i just laugh how devs just force the buff of this talent.
Its like : Ah ! It wasnt enough during SL ? Make it 50% it gonna be great !
Ah ! It is again not enough ?! Make it 65% hehe !
Ah ! Its still not enough ? So maybe 85%… YES BECAUSE EVEN WITH 150% that gonna suck !!!

[pearl prism]

pvp talents for arms?

[undone pumice]

sharpen good

warbringer good

disarm good

banner good

death sentence ok

demolition vs lock

[raw summit]

hate locks

simple as

[undone pumice]

master and commander give more survivability but is not that good imo

[raw summit]

is kinda shit

[undone pumice]

duel is gigacancer to fight use if racist

everything else only use if leukemia

[pearl prism]

cheers, yeh will use all those talents

[raw summit]

[pearl prism]

as arms, how often do you think i should sit in def stance?

[undone pumice]

never

[raw summit]

u die regardless

but do even less in it

[undone pumice]

cuz u do 0 dmg and die regardless

dstance 10% wall and 20% minus on ur outouttage of dmg (0 minus 20% still 0 tho)

[pearl prism]

lol

yeh. its a pretty shit trade

[undone pumice]

just go prot if u wanna be utility warrior lol

if u want to be gigerchad pumper be fury

[pearl prism]

yeh im just gonna try out arms myself for few days

to write it off

[undone pumice]

2 button spec

[pearl prism]

if its shit, its shit

[high kindle]

am I the only one who still plays arms? Idk, fury is just mind numbing to play

[left scarab]

whys there so many clinging to arms here 🤔

[undone pumice]

arms doesnt have enough self healing and cant kite fr fr

[left scarab]

something im missing?

[undone pumice]

causearms is funner than fury ngl

[raw summit]

winning is more fun tho

[undone pumice]

i much prefer mortal strike and op over bloodbath and rampage

[hard hound]

lot of rival player who dosn't care about win rating

they just play for fun

[pearl prism]

yeh fury is defs op atm

ill see how I go as arms for a few days

is arms okay in RBG's?

or is it the same? fury or die?

and competitive rbgs

[stuck mulch]

ull prob die regardless but fury u will survive abit longer and do more dmg

[muted surge]

I would say is even worse bcs you definitely gonna be focus in rbg

[stuck mulch]

oh look a warrior, slap, good no more healing reduction

[steep inlet]

with arms buffs

time to do mass tests

to see if its good naow

[pearl prism]

yeh thats it

what r u guys thinking about stats for arms now?

crit/verse > haste?

[thorn escarp]

Just tried both arms hits way harder

More dmg

But for bgs go fury

[raw summit]

It doesnt do more damage

[hard hound]

he think its higher because fury have a lot of little damages

like monk ww

but its true arms have big numbers

[undone pumice]

arms is el epico rapisto mephisto 1 shot clickbait

fury is like a pressure cooker

[tribal wedge]

exec definitively hit harder but MS meh

[hard hound]

i got a os macro too in fury atm

[undone pumice]

is it

/cast rampage

[hard hound]

nah

[raw summit]

WW hits you for like 80k with windlord lmao

Clown button

Like the 34k FOF ticks too

[hard hound]

you can do a 120 k rampage too

+80 k bb every gcd xD

[gleaming cedar]

what trinket do we buy? on use stat one?

[raw summit]

All of em

Got enough honor

Badge is good tho yea

[delicate fable]

Cause we love it

[brazen rock]

Arms 1 big number fury lots of medium numbers

But arms can't do dam sitting in def stance being trained all game

[pearl prism]

whats best enchants atm for arms?

[sterile carbon]

I've been trying arms, while I like it and always have, fury feels better at the moment. Arms feels like you're just constantly waiting for sudden death to proc so you can unload your burst, and sometime it just doesn't proc

[shut barn]

have u guys tried arms with new buffs ?

[spice burrow]

you tried skullsplit build yet? kinda slaps when you get it off with warbreaker and spear

arms damage seems fine just dies way to quickly to get it off

[steep inlet]

not yet

arms will have to play with hybrids or a focused guy anw

like affli

[spice burrow]

that's always been the case but with D-stance being dogshit and ignore pain going away we're really really squishy

I think arms will become better once the tier set bonus kicks in

maybe we'll deal so much damage we can neglect the fact that we have 0 sustain

[onyx vale]

because arms should be the pvp spec

and because spamming bloodthirst and rampage to be immortal is funny for a week but in a 2 years expansion it might get old

[hard hound]

imo arms up soon

dont worry

and cry on disc will change nothing ^^

[onyx vale]

holy shit that's the most annoying sentence ever

yes talking on discord change nothing

and playing world of warcraft change nothing

and getting glad change nothing

[hard hound]

every 2s someone cry about arms

[onyx vale]

at one point you die

and you become dirt

and everything you've ever done is forgotten

so why do we bother eating breathing and living

if it changes nothing?

[hard hound]

lmao

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cry-tantrums-tears-kids-gif-17091182

[onyx vale]

you've never done something for the sake of doing it?

all your actions are part of a deep plan?

[hard hound]

i'm not a baby anymore , if i cry mom will not feed me

[onyx vale]

you're a weird one

you confuse talking and crying

[hard hound]

if you think cry on war discord make blizz feed you , you wrong

[onyx vale]

you can't formulate coherent sentences and prefer to answer in memes

but yes, you do sound very mature

[hard hound]

you so weird bro xD

[pearl prism]

did a skirmish. tried to kill a resto druid. couldnt. What do?

mana didnt seem to be going down much either

this is as arms

[muted surge]

Do more damage

Or go fury

[celest wave]

do we know what pve ilvl conquest gear goes up to at 5/5?

[raw summit]

366

[celest wave]

for conquest gear?

damn thats low, thanks

[hard hound]

more

its honnor 366 atm

[muted surge]

Like 408? I think

[celest wave]

hmm

this says we dont know yet

i guess thatst the most plausible answer considering i cant find it on wowhead

gg

[raw summit]

gp to simc

[muted surge]

I assume it’s the same as it was on beta

[raw summit]

droptimizer

s1 conq

[celest wave]

ok nice

thanks

[pearl prism]

I take it prot in solo shuffle is probs going to be good?

[steep inlet]

Dépend. We succ massively vs casters

I played 500+ games as prot and finished 2400

Sp lock mage etc are atrocious

[drowsy wasp]

does rated solo shuffle give u rank? that means we can just play solo shuffle and upgrade PVE gear?

[steep inlet]

Ret feral too

Magic and bleed penetrate armor and block

We are S tier vs pure physical and C tier vs magic

And in solo shuffle it’s random

Be warned

SP lock feral ret are an uphill battle in particular

Ret destroy us +50% dmg debuff light magic and big armor

[onyx vale]

and sp and lock are broken

and will fly under the radar cuz everyone is crying about dh

[steep inlet]

I say that because some solos were very hard as prot

When I saw DH lock or lock sp feral ret icon

I cried a little

[onyx vale]

can't wait for the 1M hp locks with 500k shield every 30 seconds

[craggy socket]

What to level next

Warlocks and DH's are getting nerfed I bet

[steep inlet]

Play what u want

Not what is meta

Ffs

Fotm crowd…

[crystal laurel]

well pvp is kinda terrible right now too with the gear scaling i get team mate whose like under 300k hp like 8 out of 10 queues

[stuck mulch]

I cAn OnLy PLaY WhAT OnEShOT

[crystal laurel]

also yeah arms doesn't feel good in pvp

fury is pretty good

not sure about prot but arms lack so much sustain compared to fury

since all the other classes felt complete now with the talent trees arms doesn't bring much to the table, i think arms does decent in 3v3

[onyx vale]

aside from the healing

fury also has a better mortal strike

so unless you are a die hard arms fan for some reason I don't see the point

and ofc the utility is the exact same since it comes from the left talent tree

[pearl prism]

yeh but with arms i can do 40k ms crits

if i do that 9 times they get one hit

[full quiver]

There's nonway fury self healing stays untouched

[stuck mulch]

funny way to spell DH

[high sparrow]

and warlock

and sp

[craggy socket]

Fury healing is OP but you have to hit something

Will be nerfed but it’s not brain dead like dh

[high sparrow]

even with 100% uptime fury doesnt heal as much as sp, lock, dh, enh

[craggy socket]

Don’t throw in enh under the bus

They can be good for once

[onyx vale]

by spamming instant 200K spells

🔨

[craggy socket]

Bro you been crying all morning

[stuck mulch]

if they randomly proc

haha

[craggy socket]

Go outside

[onyx vale]

ha yes, saying enh can spam 200 k instants is crying

man what has become of the pvp community

[craggy socket]

Triggered

[onyx vale]

oh wait it's the exact same as always

nerf other classes but not mine

if dh is broken surely enh is not, am I right?

[craggy socket]

Man, you just can’t stop

[onyx vale]

you are the one going for personal insults after being called out

and I'm triggered?

Have some self awareness

[craggy socket]

It was a joke not a dick

Don’t take it so hard

[onyx vale]

holy shit

keep spamming stale memes why don't you

You surely are very cool and have a lot of friends

[stuck mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[onyx vale]

you got any other stolen 2010 jokes or you good?

[high sparrow]

[pearl prism]

i have 2 friends

[crude sentinel]

and lock

[undone pumice]

idk the only shit thats not a problem yet as far as ive seen is arms, ret, boomie, feral

every class kinda boohlshit atm

fury and dh just ooogboog you with 2 buttons

[proud root]

Feral is a prob as soon as solo shuffle comes out again

[undone pumice]

enh randomly cums on your face with instants

[proud root]

Cleave pressure is huge

and amazing offhealing

[onyx vale]

feral is super strong but since no one plays it

[craggy socket]

Cry harder baby

[onyx vale]

well it's not like dh letting anyone with a working hand one shot you

[craggy socket]

I love it 🥰

[undone pumice]

sub 1shots you, assass rogue 45 second cd exsanguinate kinda funky

[onyx vale]

holy shit you really are triggered

[craggy socket]

So easily triggered

[onyx vale]

hahahahah

[undone pumice]

ye ive RARELY seen a good feral ever

[craggy socket]

Everyone is trolling you son

[onyx vale]

man calm down it's not the end of the world, you've just acted like a tool in a discord, nobody cares

[undone pumice]

every feral ive seen was a member of r/chonkers

fat fucking immortal cats that never die but also do nothing fukin hate em

[onyx vale]

hahaha, I can't believe you got that butthurt over something so insignificant, it's alright bro

[rapid shore]

u cant cancel bs when u have hurricane talent?!?

[onyx vale]

no

[undone pumice]

sadge

would be funny af

[proud root]

Garrosh and Los taking PvP to the chat

Most in theme messages so far

[muted surge]

I hope they buff dh a bit

They seem to be worse than arms

[onyx vale]

I'm not doing anything, he is the one coming back cuz he got butthurt his stale memes didn't work

[proud root]

Me too

[onyx vale]

I'm just doing a bit of tomfoolery

[warped warren]

lmaaaaaaoooo

[undone pumice]

i hope they buff prot warrior shield charge so we get the early s3 shadowlands memes again

[worthy fern]

Is there really a prot build pinned in here

🤢

[craggy socket]

I say one word he’s got 3-5 responses lmao 😂

[crystal laurel]

i dont think fury need nerf, i think arms need more buff

die by the sword for example is pretty useless against casters so arms dont get anything out of it

[onyx vale]

[craggy socket]

Imagine a die by the sword but it’s just spell reflects for the duration

[onyx vale]

ah yes, a bubble

[full quiver]

Lol

Bubble doesn't reflect

[onyx vale]

a better bubble then

[craggy socket]

Reflect doesn’t stop physical

I didn’t mean both st the same time

[onyx vale]

oh rets tried to have that in the beta, replacing hand of protection with a magical one

[crystal laurel]

and fury can pop enraged regen against casters

[onyx vale]

I don't think blizzard likes the idea

[crystal laurel]

arms cant pop their cds

cause it wont do anything to them lo

lor to us

[onyx vale]

well die by the sword is also 30% damage reduction

its not useless

but yes arms could stand to be more tanky, especially against casters

[crystal laurel]

warpaint + defensive stance on fury

[worthy fern]

Need IP back and arms will be perfect

[crystal laurel]

30%

[worthy fern]

It pumps hard after buffs

[crystal laurel]

and pretty sure enraged regen reduce dmg by 30% too

[onyx vale]

that's a biased comparison because arms also has defensive stance, but I agree with you on the principle that arms is too squishy yes

[pearl prism]

Just did skirmishes as arms/spriest. Won about 10 in a row.

Seems to be a strong comp. Probs better with fury

You just Zerg and melt someone

[crystal laurel]

is it 2v2? or 3v3?

i cant find arms be good at 2v2 at all at 3v3 it can be decent cause execute burst is better than fury i supposed

[thick reef]

Im afraid blizzs answer to arms underperforming will be to drag down fury

[craggy socket]

Fury is flying way under the radar

[tawny river]

how arms feeling with full gear after today patch?

[craggy socket]

Then again blizzard nerfed mages for no reason

Worst class atm

[thick reef]

I think it's more so there are still so many specs just plain better than them atm

[brazen rock]

☝️

[tawny river]

hmm okay, i will test it later when i feel better to level up my warr

[craggy socket]

Priest, warlock, dh, feral, are alll better right

[warped warren]

dstance

[tawny river]

i bet it isn't squishier than my WW monk

[undone pumice]

you can atleast zoom around as ww

[zenith marlin]

WHERERZ ARENAS

[undone pumice]

thats how hes supposed ti be played afaik, burst and run

lime rogue

[zenith marlin]

already content draught

no arenas

rip game

[tawny river]

i mean no one knows how it supposed to play, it is how it can be played

[zenith marlin]

oh no no M+ either

[onyx vale]

well ww monk has like

5 times more defensive cds than arms

so yes it's probably tankier

but again even mage is tankier than arms

[craggy socket]

Stop

[tawny river]

2-3 days and i can test it properly

[craggy socket]

Do not complain about content after bfa and sl

[tawny river]

there are so much shit in the game rn lmao

[craggy socket]

People like that are how we got the worst 4 years of WoW ever

[tawny river]

i don't know what to do

[zenith marlin]

bruh I leveld 70 in 6 hours and next day I was full honor gear

[thick reef]

WW monk also has higher burst than arms.

So its harder to kill and more killy

[tawny river]

that doesn't mean jack shit, you decided you are not interested in anything else

not game's fault

[zenith marlin]

bruh the game is all about arenas and M+

[thick reef]

Either hes trolling or it's their first expansion launch

[craggy socket]

Bad attempt at trolling is my guess

[zenith marlin]

I got bored of farming rares after 4 days straight doing it , got no WQs on my map, maxed out mining

[tawny river]

i am leveling my 3rd char by now which is my warrior, leveling profs, doing loremaster on main

[craggy socket]

Go outside

[zenith marlin]

Made 300k gold from selling ores, got all glyphs, got 200+ world pvp kills

[craggy socket]

Lmao

[tawny river]

play other game, come back next wednesday

idk why people want to be forced to play literally

they need a job in a game

to feel purpose

[craggy socket]

Dudes played 8+ hours a day and is bored wow

[zenith marlin]

I am complaining because I am very excited about new seaseon and mythic+ my guy

[craggy socket]

[onyx vale]

it's awesome to not be forced to log in for some infinite farming shit isn't it?

in bfa you would be forced to farm islands for azerite

[zenith marlin]

i didnt do that

[onyx vale]

[undone pumice]

@zenith marlin you got sabellian/wrathion rep yet?

[onyx vale]

what a great expansion dragonflight is

[zenith marlin]

I quit BFA and came back last season

xd

[tawny river]

yeah i feel sick rn, can't log in, i know i won't miss anything, tomorrow i log in and can play 12 hours straight

without any boredom

[zenith marlin]

Nah I only did Rep to fly b4

[undone pumice]

do wrathion/sabellian rep then

if you want something to do

[onyx vale]

well what you are complaining about right now is the freedom that we didn't have in legion bfa and shadowlands

well shadowlands less than legion and bfa

[zenith marlin]

Bruh I miss the odyn dungeon

I remember all the pulls still

[onyx vale]

well you'll be able to do it in one week

[zenith marlin]

+/- about arenas, seem to be good at small scale fights so far but idk how it will go

Fury seems to be in a better spot than prepatch

[tawny river]

yeah actually it's insane how game companies altered gamers' mind in the past years with infinite grind shit and psychological warfare

with having a job ingame

[zenith marlin]

i bought wow tokens instead kekw

entire bfa and slands I did 1 mythic+ and few arenas a week

had no legendary until S4 xd

hit elite in S1 in the 1st week then ppl had legendaries and covenants

[onyx vale]

I blame korean mmos

they had those infinite grinds since the early 2000, blizzard just copied them

[zenith marlin]

BRUH I joined this korean mmo to try it

In the first hour I didnt have combat

But dialogue quests

[tawny river]

i played Lost Ark in the past 8 months

[zenith marlin]

right it was lost ark

All the quests were dialogue skips

and first combat i got into u one shot mobs

[tawny river]

it is a great game, combat is insane, raids are one of the best i ever played

but u are forced to play 6 characters or swipe

[zenith marlin]

id play that only if they had max level boost tbf

[tawny river]

and grind is infinite

[zenith marlin]

end game must be lot better than

leveling

[tawny river]

tbh i would still play it if AGS wouldn't kill it entirely, from 280k daily players more than 200k are bots

[thick reef]

It is, very nice not feeling pushed to make wow a second job but still d
Does offer stuff for people who want to grind hard

[tawny river]

AGS is fcking incompetent

[onyx vale]

yep

[tawny river]

i had 2k hours in it, sold account, bought DF with 0 expectations since i thought i wouldn't even play it

[onyx vale]

I played a little lost ark too, until the cow release, the fight was great and I heard the next raids are even better

[thick reef]

Do i want to grind Sabellion rep? I eant the dragon but fuck that.

And I'm not punished for for not by missing out on major power gain

[tawny river]

and i am having a great time with DF ngl

[onyx vale]

but 30 hours of farming every week for 1 hour of fun isn't a good ratio

[zenith marlin]

rep grinding is absolute drone work ngl

Have a friend that gets exalted every expansion with everything and quits

mans mental

[onyx vale]

I got the same but he doesn't quit

actually the first time he quit was shadowlands

[thick reef]

I like doing reps, just not in the super grindy method. I'm just fine with world quests and weeklies

[onyx vale]

he somehow survived warlord of draenor and bfa but shadowlands was too much even for him

[tawny river]

hahaha

[zenith marlin]

daily quests that give 100 rep T^T

I did them in MoP I believe last

[craggy socket]

People enjoy the game in different ways

[thick reef]

Mop wasn't bad, raiders just got uppity

[zenith marlin]

MoP slapped man

[thick reef]

And even the for only like, a month

[zenith marlin]

Thunder Isle + Timeless Isle pvp

tbf I played Destro lock and Arms back then so

Maybe my experience slapped

[craggy socket]

MoP is one of those xpacs everyone NOW looks back on foundly

[thick reef]

Almost all the bitching about MoP centers around the first month or so because butt hurt raiders

[zenith marlin]

I loved questing and raiding too

First time I ever got into HC raiding was MoP

[craggy socket]

MoP was fun, first time I ever did an arena in my life haha

[zenith marlin]

hc as in mythic

[craggy socket]

then didn't do another arena til bfa s4

[zenith marlin]

nah i think I did HC dragonsoul too

but just 2 bosses

[thick reef]

No, stop that revisionist bullshit. MoP was praised from it's first patch and on. The only detractors we're butt hurt raiders and idiots who kept going "lul kung Fu panda"

[zenith marlin]

Just found out that dracthyr was designed by the same person who designed ardanweald NPCs and the new worgen

[delicate fable]

Am I the only one that still to this day thinks wotlk arenas were the best before everyone knew what to run and do simply put on the class design

[zenith marlin]

all is clear now

[visual pebble]

guys what proc are u useing if u have the primal ritual shell? mastery or the fire dmgm

[thick reef]

It became a meme somehow that people only praise expansions in retrospect when MoP didnt get that terribly much hate till Siege draggef on. Meanwhile WoD and bfa aren't praised still

[zenith marlin]

WoD questing slapped

rest was meh

dungeons were decent maybe but they didnt have M+ yet

[thick reef]

Yep, people agree on that point. And that the raiding was good. Just, everything else was dog shit

[craggy socket]

Wrath arenas are actual dog shit imo

Everything about wrath pvp is bad imo

[zenith marlin]

not if u were a warr

[craggy socket]

if you were a warr you better raid 24/7

Nah fuck that PvE in PvP bullshit

[stuck mulch]

anyone able to 1v1 a DH yet

[thick reef]

I loved wrath pvp as my rogue

[zenith marlin]

I absolutely slap any DH

[thick reef]

Then later warrior

[zenith marlin]

But I play single minded fury

[thick reef]

I kneel

[zenith marlin]

And I dont feel like I kill them, but more like I outlive them

makes sense?

[craggy socket]

Wrath copium was on full display and now the game is dead

[thick reef]

DH is all about surviving the demo

[zenith marlin]

annihilator allows me to actually keep enrage up vs DHs

and I sustain like 10-15k HPS early on

[craggy socket]

so funny how many streamers "iM nEvEr pLaYiNg rEtAiL aGaIn iM hOmE", and they all played DF

[zenith marlin]

DHs without their silly dodge are just monks

Arms wannabe rogues

[thick reef]

I remember going into wow classic. The streamers who never played it praising it's difficulty

Then watching the same streamers pretend it's hard as they rolled content

[zenith marlin]

them spamming dungeons was ultra cringe

[craggy socket]

Classic is the furthest thing from hard

i really wish they would do classic and just mega buff the fuck out of everything

[zenith marlin]

but classic leveling was fun because I was in zones I liked

[craggy socket]

and actually make it very very VERY difficult

[zenith marlin]

and it felt unfinished and raw asf

[delicate fable]

I disagree

Thats it

[thick reef]

They HAD to. They hyped up it's difficulty so long and hard that they had to pretend it was hard to save face

[zenith marlin]

also I was going blind as a warr and was so dumb so it was actually very difficult for me to levle

I was also bad gear with no gold

[thick reef]

Mind you I enjoyed replaying classic. But hard it was not

[zenith marlin]

idk it was hard 4 me

[thick reef]

Easier on my dwarf rogue than my cow warrior, but still not hard. Just take first aid and g2g

[zenith marlin]

level 5 rogues have more buttons than lvl 50 warrs

[thick reef]

It opened up at 40

[zenith marlin]

TBC Slam build was very fun

[thick reef]

But yes, rogue in classic is more or less the closest thing to a modern class

But my first ever character was a Rogue so I made one ob classic

[delicate fable]

But would I do that shit again now, i.e on wrath classic servers? Fuck that, but at the time was fun as hell, and wanted to do all aspects of the game, i.e. raids, and was a dirty min max freak

[thick reef]

Back when stealth was useful in pve, hillariously so

[outer elk]

Anyone tried arms post buff?

[craggy socket]

What do you guys use these days sarena, gladius, or gladius ex?

looking for minialist addon set up tbh too much shit is annoying

minimalist

[violet junco]

hey guys, any preferred spec/build for war mode ?

[high tapir]

do professions matter this expansion fof pvp, if so, what is the best for arms?

[craggy socket]

No profs don't really matter

[outer elk]

there are 424 ilevel crafted items, but you have to do world pvp to get the recipes I think