Why would you want it to be nerfed? There are other classes that should go first for sure
#pvp
weary sky
clever mango
I guess nerfed is a bit harsh. I just wish arms was at least comparable
fury to arms ratio is like 20-1 and for some reason that just really irritates me lol
heady lichen
where do you see the 40% MS for fury? what talent combo would do that?
cuz i sure as fuck dont see it
weary sky
We should be happy we have atleast a decent warr spec…
clever mango
Slaughterhouse talent
heady lichen
oh warmode talent, but that doesnt affect bg and arena does it?
clever mango
fuck yeah that's why nobody plays arms anymore
why play a gimped spec with a worse MS
arms dmg is worse, self healing is worse, ms effect is worse, pretty much all around worse
thick reef
oh warmode talent, but that doesnt affect bg and arena does it?
You bet your ass it does
heady lichen
i forgot they did lol
thick reef
40% MS keeps a healer on their toes
clever mango
only thing arms has that fury doesn't is duel and nobody even runs that
boreal stone
and warbanner
clever mango
oh yeah banner that's right
heady lichen
i had a rogue use a kyrian ability on me and crit for 101k...that shit fucking hurt
oh and evis for 40k
fun
clever mango
so you sacrifice damage, 15% on your MS, and self sustain, for some average at best and supar utility
subpar*
heady lichen
wouldnt it be better to use dancing blades over titanic rage if u are using annihilator?
to get that auto attack out faster
drowsy wasp
i tried prot and i felt fury is even better than prot in arena
thick reef
wouldnt it be better to use dancing blades over titanic rage if u are using anni...
Blades is nerfed in pvp
heady lichen
ah, rip
drowsy wasp
so i feel if you play with caster, its better to take spear for the peal?
vs dragonroar
clever mango
haven't tried it yet but I will, just been using spear
but I can not stand spear, never have liked it
the travel time makes it possible to miss sometimes, and half the goddamn classes can just port out of it or run out of it
every time a priest just fades and runs out of it I actually want to just alt f4 and smash my monitor
brazen rock
yup, id rather just have an extra 15% cshb damage and another fail-proof button to press
clever mango
actually just had a lock port out of it like as I typed that
drowsy wasp
But spear on double melee feels good
drowsy wasp
Are we flying under the radar because none of the streamers rated fury S tier
wooden grove
what are the crafted pieces we want
oh is it only helm and boots for plate
interesting
noble stream
but cshb damage is also reduced in pvp, and if they stay in the spear for half of its duration it's already done more damage than roar, and getting out of it still at least costs a movement
west silo
which wep enchant for fury? haste or vers?
thick reef
Vers > Haste
green agate
Are there vers gems that I should use on my honor gear or gem for mast
hazy isle
Shouldve been banner not spear..
green agate
I hate spear tbh
hazy isle
Idec about it being whiffable. Its just so ugly and dumb looking. Banner fits war more
green agate
macro it
not hard to miss my shots with it so no need to macro, it just feels clunky to use and I don't like the fantasy of it
viral elbow
anyone have a prot pvp build?
fickle forge
Spear fits warr good tbh
clever mango
I hate spear being whiffable but moreso hate it because half the classes in the game can just walk out of it
torpid roost
A spear could fit warrior well - I don't think the current Spear of Bastion animation really fits it, though
more force-y less magic-y
Ascend to the heavens, dragon-dive a spear through the ground, shatter some earth, versus.... lightly tossing a reverberating magic spear?
clever mango
Or just give us something that's just as good that's more user friendly and less useless when a rogue shadowsteps out of it
green agate
Im using annihilator in my fury pvp build, does Unbridled Ferocity still proc using annihilator?
clever mango
Don't see why it wouldn't
lean burrow
now if spear was targeted like intimidating shout and warrior jumped onto enemy with spear
it would feel good
fickle forge
Or just combine it with SB or Charge so you don't miss
tacit sapphire
hey whats difference between Fury and Arms for PvP ?
clever mango
https://tenor.com/view/monkey-skill-issue-gif-21867945
I mean, other classes being able to walk out of it isn't necessarily a skill issue
fickle forge
I mean, other classes being able to walk out of it isn't necessarily a skill iss...
Only real consistent annoyance with that are the ones who bug it or DK
Rest you can play around
clever mango
Priests can fade + walk out, locks can port, DHs can netherwalk, rogues can shadowstep or vanish or cloak it, DK can AMS or AMZ it
I'm sure evoker can get out of it
fickle forge
Didn't they remove greater fade?
clever mango
hunter was able to FD and walk out of it
fickle forge
Trading spear for nether is literally huge af
lean burrow
Priests can fade + walk out, locks can port, DHs can netherwalk, rogues can shad...
rogues can't cloak spear now
fickle forge
And don't throw spear on people standing next to lock gates?
clever mango
not gate
fickle forge
Also step and vanish don't break spear
fickle forge
Port doesn't break spear
lean burrow
does AMS protect from spear? spear is phys damage, but maybe the pull is magic effect
compact schooner
hey guys anyone know a good arms pvp guild for 2vs2? can´t seem to find one.
lean burrow
if cloak doesn't protect, then AMS should also be useless against spear
fickle forge
Maybe, but DK has 2 charges of DA anyway
lean burrow
damn dks
clever mango
Point is for being a 1.5m CD I feel like it could be better.
Spear just doesn't do it for me. Hate it, always hated it, will always hate it.
fickle forge
I mean not a single ability you listes breaks it
elfin surge
hello
fickle forge
It already is better
elfin surge
@fickle forge fuck u
fickle forge
You too bro @elfin surge
fickle forge
You didn't place those bets with me
elfin surge
which?
fickle forge
Tagged
noble stream
Spear just doesn't do it for me. Hate it, always hated it, will always hate it.
I also hate it, but roar just ain't it
clever mango
I mean not a single ability you listes breaks it
If they don't then it was just changed in DF and I haven't had time to see it yet.
fickle forge
If they don't then it was just changed in DF and I haven't had time to see it ye...
I promise you it's identical to SL
But it's fine if you dislike the design, no one can force that
clever mango
If it's identical to SL then I know 100% AMS and Cloak break it, and if hunters still have a Craven effect on their FD then they can too lol
But again it's possible it's changed in DF
I'm just sayin I've definitely watched those classes walk out of spear
GFade did it too but apparently that's been removed
It does make sense if those don't work anymore though because the tooltip says phys dmg now
so if the effect is also physical then those shouldn't work to get out ofit
fickle forge
Okay mb, I meant functionally it's the same, but you're right it changed from magical to physical now, so should decrease the abilities that work on it
noble stream
AMS does let them move out of spear, happened to me just now
fickle forge
AMS does let them move out of spear, happened to me just now
Did he have DA on though?
noble stream
I only saw AMS but I'm not infallible
clever mango
Wish Shockwave was competitive with Spear
Guess it'd take more than that though cuz the talents you have to take just to get Shockwave are kinda ass
tired portal
Okay mb, I meant functionally it's the same, but you're right it changed from ma...
You can parry spear now
Arms should have the best MS in the game
fickle forge
You can parry spear now
👀
clever mango
You can parry spear now
You love to see it
clever mango
Arms should have the best MS in the game
Well we have Sharpen Blade. Which I’d be fine with, but now that Fury has an only slightly worse Sharpen Blade with alot more uptime, yeah, I’d kind of like to see them do something with arms to kind of make it worth playing again instead of just being Fury’s bitch.
fickle forge
50% MS is a tad stronger than you'd think
clever mango
It definitely is, but when it’s 6 secs every 25 while fury can just throw up a 40% MS for as long as they have uptime
sharp meteor
It's a reliable big ms that can be cleaved during your go and aligns with arms dmg profile
pity arms just kind of too smol and too soft
clever mango
Idk I’m just a little sore on the arms subject because I want it to be good again so badly but it feels like it’s just been thrown in a cellar and left to rot because they haven’t seemingly touched the spec in years as far as PvP goes.
fickle forge
Aren't they literally giving it buffs doe
And been the best melee for half an expansion
sharp meteor
buffs and redistribution/nerfs kind of yeah idk
fickle forge
I mean it's a buff at all times so
sharp meteor
fury with whichever other class doesn't get dk'd should be a good time
fickle forge
Then I guess you'll suffer
sharp meteor
also takes too much dmg
fickle forge
🤷♂️
ruby sluice
hello, all i'm new of warrior id like to main only pvp. i read some post and i think fury is the best choice atm, anny suggestion about stats and build no guide found it atm thx all
sharp meteor
bloodthirst stuff feelin nice but a little awkward
i really want to play meat cleaver into a cleave
four hits feels so nice
celest wave
yo is there a way to see how fast someone dies using details?
clever mango
Yeah, look at deaths and mouse over their name
celest wave
cheers
clever mango
👍
celest wave
man honor gear is so op i killed htis monk in 3 seconds
tender oriole
and.. numbers wise its not that far off from just annihilator like the pinned one
sharp meteor
raging blow with none of the raging blow powers hm
tender oriole
you simply don't use it
fickle forge
Bro pick the RB charges?
vernal plank
Dont want to bother MUD with a ping but thanks a lot for the pinned tips if you're here!
fickle forge
@elfin surge Come say thank you
charred meadow
Hey what specc do we play in pvp ?
elfin surge
Ping dn
charred meadow
so i can play fury and arms ?
clever mango
Fury better
charred meadow
okeee
gentle horizon
Worth playing fury in pvp or reroll
elfin surge
Fury A tier almost S tier melee
clever mango
Can play arms but find yourself a stiff drink before you queue
Lol
Actually just saw the arms buffs. That’s kinda nice I guess. Didn’t see them earlier when I was scrolling wowhead, all I saw was the buff to the deep wounds heal.
ember totem
Prot warr pvp prot warr pvp!
tender oriole
you simply don't use it
so to explain, its because of the damage that onslaught does + the extra enrage. in testing its below what you are going to get out of annihilator normally but in my experience better in situations where you're playing against classes that can kite you around the map. situational pretty much
running onslaught to not even use rb anyways basically
tepid jacinth
Hello, with pvp gear increased ilvl in bg/arena, will it be important to do pve as prot warrior? I'm thinking 2 pieces of set bonus for example
mystic barn
50% MS is a tad stronger than you'd think
can't wait for this 😎
12% healing done on death strike getting mortal striked = 6% not counting damp 😎
fickle forge
🙂
elfin surge
@knotty atlas
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@knotty atlas update pin
elfin surge
no arena yet
i think spear prob better
for arena
but idk roar pretty good too...
knotty atlas
I won 5 out of 7 random bg matches yesterday as prot. So...
stiff dust
versa/haste as a arm is viable or totally garbage ?
fickle forge
It can work, but you have a bunch of talents and tier set that scales with crit
It's def a close second due AM
polar pecan
We using slam for fury pvp spec?
fickle forge
If you're using Annihilator
polar pecan
I see tyty
urban skiff
BgEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKHAAAAAAAAAAAhkgWCQENpISkENChkAQkEQSSSikkEBRaplkAkEAAAAA
why not drop improved execute for slaughtering strikes instead?
urban skiff
I won 5 out of 7 random bg matches yesterday as prot. So...
link build
i want to be glad warrior again 😦
urban skiff
thick reef
Y U duh dis and remind us of its greatness
urban skiff
YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF EVERY DAY
thorn escarp
Who says that the 4 set dosent work in bgs?
solar grail
the pvp gear says it increases in arenas and battlegrounds, does it work in world pvp with warmode on as well?
urban skiff
my inventory tooltip says yes. People who aren't rockheads like myself say no
solar grail
so it's uncomfirmed if the bonus/ilvl increase happens in open world? i guess i'm trying to figure out if it's worth having the pvp set on with warmode on for open world pvp or my mythic 0 gear ya know
cinder thorn
so it's uncomfirmed if the bonus/ilvl increase happens in open world? i guess i'...
It does when u enter any pvp combat
thorn escarp
So 4 set works in bgs and arena yes or no؟
solar grail
It does when u enter any pvp combat
does a rare with warmode on count as well for increasing the ilvl?
thorn escarp
Some1 told me it didn’t work
left scarab
So 4 set works in bgs and arena yes or no؟
no it does not work in instanced combat. check for yourself. (set bonus greyed out in bgs)
urban skiff
i guess attack the pvp dummy in valdrakken and look at your stats / health go up?
left scarab
but it will work in wpvp. because its a wpvp set
tacit sapphire
can someone please screenshot me a reasonable Arms lvl 70 PvP talent setup
solar grail
ok cool that's my biggest question, does the ilvl increase work for ALL combat in open world warmode on
rares, pvp, etc
thorn escarp
2 set works tho right
left scarab
2 set works tho right
not sure. any chance you can check and let us know?
cinder thorn
does a rare with warmode on count as well for increasing the ilvl?
It used to but they removed it
If you are in combat with a player yes, if its a non player then no
Try it while having your character screen open, you will see I'll shooting up
thorn escarp
Try it while having your character screen open, you will see I'll shooting up
So it doesn’t work in bgs
cinder thorn
So it doesn’t work in bgs
As far as I'm aware no
Pvp gear uses pvp ilvl in pvp combat only
Pve gear bonuses don't work in pvp combat (this I haven't double checked but I read it in multiple discords)
I think that's to make balancing pvp easier for developers, less combinations to worry about
Also for player like me who don't touch pve bullshit it's good to know that all i need to do is pvp to get the best gear for pvp
cinder thorn
Exactly, it's a good setup right now
cinder thorn
Yeah they're still changing stuff
When are the tweaks they posted about coming on is it wed
fickle forge
Reset
urban skiff
praying that fury flies under the radar
jolly narwhal
So with MS and execute buffs coming tuesday, arms looking way better or nah?
urban skiff
just way too fun
I think arms' problem isn't damage, but survivability way lower than fury
urban skiff
Probably icd on the heal
merry valley
3x bt heal in 2sec is too much
wish they unerfed crushing blow in pvp
raging blow builds dont bring anything atm that bt dont bring
urban skiff
wish we could talent into the crushing blow charging to target we had before
stuck mulch
ok so help me out here abit, what other tips for survival do you guys have apart from stance swapping and ER
urban skiff
impending victory
kill everything and reset it all the time
spell reflect now reduces magic damage even after reflecting the spell
Barbarian pvp talent and yeet yourself out of there
both ER talents for extra heals
urban skiff
of course, but at 3 minute cooldown I feel like it's kinda bad and only use it in emergencies
also health stone and pots if in bgs.
burnt hull
So with MS and execute buffs coming tuesday, arms looking way better or nah?
what are they changing
burnt hull
ty
stuck mulch
Barbarian pvp talent and yeet yourself out of there
im using battle trance , slaughterhouse and warbringer
burnt hull
what’s a good MS crit look like for you guys? i’m full pvp gear and i’m capping out around 110k max on 1 MS crit
urban skiff
When it comes to prioritizing defensives, I'd go with impending victory first, bitter immunity second, ER third and maybe coupled with offensive cooldowns to just hammer out heals
I generally only use defensive stance outside burst, just to discourage them
stuck mulch
I generally only use defensive stance outside burst, just to discourage them
sounds logic ill keep that in mind,
urban skiff
I don't think battle trance is very good for bgs. For arenas it may be better but i really like swapping targets aggressively
also we have a ton of cc so don't be afraid to fear them
urban skiff
Arenas or bgs?
stuck mulch
bgs
stuck mulch
with the helmet etc do i go, crit verse or mastery verse?
gusty wing
When it comes to prioritizing defensives, I'd go with impending victory first, b...
Really shows how trash rallying is these days
Wasn't even a line
Two points is just too expensive
hard hound
@elfin surge what do you think about the plate helmet pvp 424 with the thorns effect ?
Better to craft before boots ?
thick reef
I have to admit, its incredibly gratifying when someone with better gear jumps you in warmode and you just turn around and murder them
stiff dust
any arm talent build pls ?
cinder thorn
I have to admit, its incredibly gratifying when someone with better gear jumps y...
Oh yeah, try 2 😂
polar pecan
Does PVP gear effect War Mode? Its not listed on the gear
proven sierra
hey guys anyone have an idea about the two ideal professions for pvp?
coarse river
is there some arms pvp guide?
cinder thorn
Does PVP gear effect War Mode? Its not listed on the gear
Yes
mild thunder
hey guys anyone have an idea about the two ideal professions for pvp?
doesnt matter, just take whatever makes the best gold
proven sierra
doesnt matter, just take whatever makes the best gold
i assume that means through work orders you can still get the benefits while not having the professions behind them?
cinder thorn
hey guys anyone have an idea about the two ideal professions for pvp?
You can make work orders for almost anything
So whatever you like
mild thunder
work order gear is all going to be inferior to conquest or honor gear anyway
proven sierra
You can make work orders for almost anything
So whatever you like
gotcha
mild thunder
except maybe the super niche item bonus pieces like the helmet, but yea you can just work order it
proven sierra
yeah I was thinking like from previous expacs where jewel crafters had special stuff etc
cinder thorn
except maybe the super niche item bonus pieces like the helmet, but yea you can ...
Aren't there anymore any profession only stuff like engineering helmets? Is there anything else like that or is literally everything accessible by everyone
proven sierra
yeah maybe i'm thinking mostly about min maxing potential, i'd rather not have to worry about that stuff but it would be nice to be aware of it
mild thunder
professions can craft gear, sure. but none of it is superior to pvp gear or high-end pve gear, except for maybe those super niche item bonus pieces which can be bought anyway
there's nothing to min-max for pvp through professions, literally nothing
lofty moon
well since professions don't give advantage in pvp, and we should go for money makers then what would be the most profitable? skinning, herbalism and mining? which 2 should I go for?
proven sierra
professions can craft gear, sure. but none of it is superior to pvp gear or high...
okay thanks Galachad, I appreciate the help
mild thunder
lofty moon
thank you sir
short ridge
Is it more effective to buy offhand wpn first or gear? already got mh
mild thunder
Is it more effective to buy offhand wpn first or gear? already got mh
generally its trinkets > weapons > everything else, but realistically gearing is so quick that it barely matters
short ridge
generally its trinkets > weapons > everything else, but realistically gearing is...
thanks
stiff dust
which enchant as fury should we use now ?
thorny field
fury > dh?
merry valley
which enchant as fury should we use now ?
id say both cloak and bracer movement or leech
cinder thorn
id say both cloak and bracer movement or leech
What do they mean by speed and avoidance in stats
Is that run speed and dodge or what
cinder thorn
Ah OK thx
What about dodging and blocking and parrying etc does that work when you're attacking someone from behind can they ddoge and block or not
merry valley
if you are attacking from behind yh they cant dodge or parry
works on players not on mobs btw
cinder thorn
works on players not on mobs btw
So.mobs can block parry dodge from.behind but players don't?
Or did u mean we can block from all direction mob attacks but not players
merry valley
So.mobs can block parry dodge from.behind but players don't?
this
noble rune
hey everyone, i'm totally new to "modern" pvp, used to play at my peak in wotlk
whats the buy order for items now? do i go tricket set > weapon?
and if so which combo would you suggest
undone pumice
trinkets > weapons > biggest upgrades (say u have 226 boots, replace thems first)
eternal iron
in terms of enchants, are people opting for mastery more for burst or is haste still the way to go?
merry valley
im using mastery on my fingers
since i hit the 20% haste mark im going all i can on mastery
eternal iron
is there any way to tell quickly if you hit the mark? I have a full pvp set but not sure where I stand since stats change wildly when you enter pvp
The haste mark that is
merry valley
c:
merry valley
now u either go hard or go home xp
remote anvil
Hi, is there somewhere to look at the pvp equipment to buy for a Arms Warr?
Or the stats to cap
patent musk
Mortal Strike is no longer reduced 30% in PvP , heyoooooo!!
urban skiff
Really shows how trash rallying is these days
I'll pop it before using % based healing to get more actual hp out of the heals
tribal wedge
arms would deal pretty well but, idk fury seems so unkillable
cloud oak
can you macro potions with cds?
west silo
for fury which dmg trinket? the on-use** one or the random proc? am horde
remote anvil
arms would deal pretty well but, idk fury seems so unkillable
Yup, that's true but I don't really like it
gusty wing
I'll pop it before using % based healing to get more actual hp out of the heals
Imo it's a useless 2 points now
Anything is worth more
Specially for how point starved we are
remote anvil
So, there is any good advice about Arms stat cap?
tribal wedge
vers > crit > mastery > hâte imo
remote anvil
And any % for haste or crit?
tribal wedge
poly 30%, and the rest with the crit/mast piece, haste if you have nothing else
remote anvil
so 17% haste is too much...
noble rune
trinkets > weapons > biggest upgrades (say u have 226 boots, replace thems first...
which trinkets whould you recommend?
noble rune
tyvm
undone pumice
which trinkets whould you recommend?
medallion + badge/insig imo
battlemasters also good
if u feel too squishy
shut barn
i feel like human is >> SL human
brazen rock
gnome is king if you can stand the model.
urban skiff
Imo it's a useless 2 points now
I already pick up defensive stance to have intervene, not sure why you call it 2 points
urban skiff
if u feel too squishy
cute
cinder thorn
this
Does this mean it is no longer necessary to stand behind a boss when doing dps in pve?
gusty wing
I already pick up defensive stance to have intervene, not sure why you call it 2...
15% isn't great, only good when you take the extra 5%
That's why it's 2
But why waste 2 points when you can get impeding + berserk rage
drowsy wasp
How good is our mastery
If we are using just rampage and bloodthrist, ain’t we always enraged
tulip dragon
Any prot wariors that have a recommendation for pvp honor trinkets?
urban skiff
if i had more time I'd farm up a mastery set and try out
brazen rock
Any prot wariors that have a recommendation for pvp honor trinkets?
on use and medal
tulip dragon
Thx man 😄 did not expect to see any prot pvpers out here
brazen rock
still aint alot tbh
urban skiff
do we have a prot build yet?
tulip dragon
Don't think so
every build i look up is without the shockwave tree being maxed, and i highly doubt that you shouldn't run that
brazen rock
👆 disgusting prot enjoyer, listen to him
steep inlet
and roar does more dmg
molten jolt
how much worse is SMF, i want to use flail mogs
tulip dragon
Do you have a talent tree i can import and look at?
steep inlet
tbh I have one that work massively, so well that I outdps even DH with it and it terrifies me because I fear blizz nerf if it become mainstream
so now I shut up on prot subject
urban skiff
how much worse is SMF, i want to use flail mogs
9% in pve. probably more or less in pvp
brazen rock
tbh I have one that work massively, so well that I outdps even DH with it and it...
its not like the build is some 500iq play, take the pve giga dam build, throw points from some def shit into more damage shit, bingo bongo slappy happy 100k slams all day
steep inlet
it’s not even the giga slams or SC
it’s all the synergy and aoes
Giga Shield charge is icing on the cake
brazen rock
Ye but you get all that from the pve dungeon build imo
ember totem
Did you guys go with vers/crit pieces as prot?
steep inlet
there is other things varugh
copper hare
Ye but you get all that from the pve dungeon build imo
No it's only his build that is insane and good enough to slap 150k people in bgs xd
what a cringelord
steep inlet
like demo shout plays
brazen rock
steep inlet
I never said that mave don’t start to break my balls
brazen rock
its not some level of rocket science to use demo shout as part of your burst rotation lmao
steep inlet
because it’s not only for burst jeez
frank shale
whats a good starting point for an arms talent build for PvP?
brazen rock
yeah 30sec cd, just spam it
steep inlet
k :)
brazen rock
but line it up with outbursts and shield charges
steep inlet
yeah yeah use PvE build np
brazen rock
🙂
urban skiff
ill be the one to make it work
I believe in you. don't forget us when you make it to big league
night harbor
arms or fury for arena?
steep inlet
Fury atm
brazen rock
just link the build then lol otherwise this is pretty cringe tbh
steep inlet
i gave him man
ember totem
Does shockwave hit like a wet noodle even with talent 350% more dmg from shockwave?
steep inlet
y
ember totem
Ahh rats
steep inlet
Well it can do big dmgs sometimes
With all cds
But roar does more
Maybe I will do more tests
tribal wedge
roar deals so much
ember totem
ill do some testing myself with crit gear instead of haste as prot
copper hare
ill do some testing myself with crit gear instead of haste as prot
don't you have to chase jack sparrow or something
ember totem
You see we have to find Jack first, then we can start chasing him
copper hare
I tought Barbossa would play outlaw
brazen rock
300 token WQ in azure span for NA
copper hare
thats so dumb tbh
na gets 750 yesterday and 300 today
and we get 350 shoulders and a cloak, like what
left scarab
300 token WQ in azure span for NA
NA can fuck right off with all these bonus quests
graceful ginkgo
it'll probably be available for eu tomorrow
fuck guardian druids btw, that shit needs nerfs
copper hare
it'll probably be available for eu tomorrow
No, NA quest from yesterday also werent in EU today
graceful ginkgo
hm yes, no 750 tokens for us
graceful ginkgo
weird, i thought the quests would be the same, just delayed by 1 day
soft zodiac
did something change with macros? can't seem to cancel bladestorm anymore
clever mango
Noticed that too
brazen rock
if you have talented Hurricane, bladestorm cant be canceled.
onyx vale
clever mango
are you serious lmao
brazen rock
yes
clever mango
thank god because that could be gamebreaking
quick carbon
its because on beta whenever youd cancel bladestorm with hurricane youdd still get the stacking str buff
it was pretty cheese
clever mango
"Because we can't do our job right and balance a talent we're gonna make it so you can't cancel an ability"
Hell yeah
brazen rock
whats more hilarious is roar + odyns fury
and not sitting in def stance the entire match
coral mango
anyone have a decent prot pvp battleground build?
wooden grove
anyone have a decent prot pvp battleground build?
Just stop
ember totem
12m dps as prot? pretty juicy
onyx vale
get some help
ember totem
jealous?
wooden grove
12m in a winter grasp? Ooooooooo 😂
ember totem
oh yea! its been a blast son
wooden grove
It was sarcasm
Don’t post an epic bg scoreboard and think anyone will give a fuck
But good for you
ember totem
Don’t post an epic bg scoreboard and think anyone will give a fuck
but you did since you commented
wooden grove
Lmao even worse you got Garrosh upset by 11 am
ember totem
garrosh is dead
wooden grove
That’s a new record I think
ember totem
so is you
brazen rock
tanks in pvp -1
ember totem
inside
brazen rock
epic bg screenshot -1
wooden grove
Lmao
wooden grove
LOL
brazen rock
its a fucking blast btw, go do it
wooden grove
Guys omg look at all the fragments I have we can spawn tree now
ember totem
its a fucking blast btw, go do it
oh yea I will 😉
brazen rock
1.7m hp, can run headfirst into the blob, press roar / fury, and dunk on everyone
ember totem
poof and everyone is dead
wooden grove
nice
solemn remnant
what spec is best for pvp? im mostly corrius about arena pvp
glass robin
Anything good in engineering for fury?
wooden grove
is there a haste conq helm do we know
because if it's still vers/mast helm i would take the crafted any day
about to grind out blacksmithing on an alt since im already 40+ ench/mining on this toon
quaint snow
any list what enchants to use on the new gear? (Fury) thanks
restive nimbus
arms might be dece after the buffs on 6th
the arms buffs on 6th are really minor though, no?
outer elk
I think there are some mortal strike buffs too in there?
quick carbon
the arms buffs on 6th are really minor though, no?
thr actually pretty major
restive nimbus
Arms
Fueled by Violence now heals for 85% of the damage done by Deep Wounds (was 65%).
this is all, no?
restive nimbus
OHHH i was looking at old buffs
quick carbon
the key issue of arms is that its not a little boy spec like fury
brazen rock
👌
brazen rock
is there a haste conq helm do we know
on wowhead the helmets are vers/mast or vers/crit for conq
urban skiff
world pvp "fun"
drowsy wasp
Is it the best wpvp we had in 10 years?
tribal wedge
won't say 10 year, but at least since MoP for me
urban skiff
FFA is the best kind of wpvp
onyx vale
which doesnt mean that much since wpvp from wod to shadowlands has been absolute trash
but i'm having fun, thanks to fury self heal
brazen rock
nah its good, probably the best WoWs ever had. Hopefully trophies of strife come from world stuff also.
cringe 5 man groups and guardian druids aside.
tardy sandal
am i dumb or does the honor upgrades do nothing for pvp? since the pvp ilvl stays the same?
tardy sandal
great tyty
steep inlet
Is it the best wpvp we had in 10 years?
Yes but BFA 8.1 assault were epic
With horde alliance same quests and hot spots
Big battles
Nazjatar ruined it
obsidian loom
so do we replace RB with Slam now that we take annihilator, or continue ignoring slam?
cinder thorn
so do we replace RB with Slam now that we take annihilator, or continue ignoring...
Use it if you have a spare cooldown it give u rage and does a bit of damage
obsidian loom
i gotta get used to not using RB, feels really clunky
formal creek
is roar not good for fury? the bleed buff below it seems strong
brazen rock
is roar not good for fury? the bleed buff below it seems strong
the bleed is nerfed in pvp. its still very strong. spear likely better in arena but we'll see how it plays out. Roar is infinitely more fun imo
formal creek
oh is it? tooltip says 15% in and out of arena
bronze crystal
whats the fastest way to grind honor?
burnt glen
random bgs
copper hare
i gotta get used to not using RB, feels really clunky
it's literally the same but you press BT instead of RB
put it on the same keybind and it's the same braindead playstyle
noble stream
oh is it? tooltip says 15% in and out of arena
The bleed from roar and cshb themselves are nerfed
wanton siren
So lads, with dk getting the shaft, how does it feel to be the best platers yet again 🤣
near delta
The bleed from roar and cshb themselves are nerfed
Does the talent underneath roar still make all your bleeds do 15% damage in pvp? Cause that's pretty good value with all the gushing wounds leech
noble stream
It increases by 15% of the nerfed amount
sinful vortex
are the infurious warboots worth it?
brazen rock
both helm and boots are worth it.
helm may be up for debate but boots are no question
burnt glen
its prolly hard to tell rn but should i be gearing for fury or arms do you guys think
cinder thorn
So lads, with dk getting the shaft, how does it feel to be the best platers yet ...
We aren't best platers, that would be the warlocks
burnt glen
ive been gearing haste but i watched some warriors on twitch and everyone was arms so im regretting my choice a bit
cinder thorn
Dude you can buy all the gear u want in a few days of BGs the honor is so easy to gain
copper hare
I queue one bg as horde because I forget to speak to mercenary npc
and I instantly regret my life lol
brazen rock
when you zone in and see 9 other players with sub 200k hp
and you're sitting there with 380 like dad taking the kids to the park
cinder thorn
I queue one bg as horde because I forget to speak to mercenary npc
Is the merc npc in veldraken now or still oribos
I wanna queue as horde 😂
cinder thorn
and you're sitting there with 380 like dad taking the kids to the park
I was just in a bg like that, I felt responsible for my flock of noobs
We won 😝
brazen rock
its in vald
brazen rock
I was just in a bg like that, I felt responsible for my flock of noobs
We won ...
it was the sweatiest WSG i've ever played but by-god i took those fresh 70s to a W
cinder thorn
its in vald
Is he in the pvp area I didn't spot him
cinder thorn
it was the sweatiest WSG i've ever played but by-god i took those fresh 70s to a...
Yeah me too it was fun, they had a super geared enemy warlock that kept doing 3x damage of everyone but once I realised and started focusing him he quit and we started winning
Just shows how fragile those assholes that play flavour of the month are
He was dotting everyone doing so much damage then I was like come here you little shit 😂
copper hare
it was the sweatiest WSG i've ever played but by-god i took those fresh 70s to a...
tell me something about sweating
brazen rock
thick reef
Does Odyns fury cast on top of the one from reck etc just extend the dot time or double the application?
copper hare
No it doesnt, realistically for dps it's better to delay odyns fury for 2-3 globals
burnt glen
it extends the dot time im pretty sure
copper hare
you're sure but you're wrong
burnt glen
if you press avatar you get 20 seconds
if you wait like 5 seconds
and press odyns fury
you get another 3 seconds or some shit added to it
queen nexus
does anyone have a PvP build for Arms?
onyx vale
Odyn's fury like almost all dots in the game have a pandemic effect
but like rend, which duration is 21 sec, if you cast it while there's less than 20% of the effect left, it will be added to your new dot
copper hare
it extends it in the end, but it doesn't stack or double the damage if you press odyns fury right after avatar
so wait 2-3 globals
I think that was his main question
copper hare
you get another 3 seconds or some shit added to it
Even when I press avatar and odyns fury instanly after it stays at 5 seconds duration
it doesnt go to 7-8
burnt glen
am i mis reading this or something
first of all he said reck but im assuming he meant avatar right/
idk when i press avatar then odyns fury right after the duration is like 23 seconds
burnt glen
hehe
wooden grove
lmao
need a bot command for that one too
"Wait until the Avatar OF dot drops to hit OF again"
warped bone
I think so
burnt glen
imma keep it 100% with u i didnt know avatar put up a dot
onyx vale
odyn fury does
cinder thorn
is the playstyle more "fun" than in SL ?
Isn't anything more fun than SL?😄
burnt glen
ohhhh i see
onyx vale
and yes fury is a lot more fun
burnt glen
who got a good arms build string i can copy and paste
steep inlet
Odyns Fury is the same as legion i hope
onyx vale
just for odyn's fury and reckless abandon
its the same but it proccing avatar and avatar proccing it feels super good
steep inlet
:O
copper hare
Nah legion was way different, specially since the rage generation sucked ass outsides of cooldowns, but reck back then was an actual 100% crit cd
fury now having avatar feels way better than in SL
and odyns fury (even if meh on single target) is just a banger ability
onyx vale
and since avatar is off gcd you can try to one shot people with avatar into dragon roar on the same gcd
copper hare
Both the helya and odyns artifact traits with tomb of sargeras release yeah
steep inlet
fuck yeah
sad we lost bladestorm on fury tbh
was good to pre clone pre sheep pre bolt etc
copper hare
What they should have done was giving you the option to either chose between ravager and bladestorm
not removing it
steep inlet
yep.
spice citrus
Do you run medallion on human?
copper hare
But it's actually disgusting that not only avatar, but odyns fury aswell clears roots n snares now
thick reef
I do
celest wave
badge>insignia right?
thick reef
But I also haven't fucked with the other one though
copper hare
you dont even have to take blood rage now if you face sp/resto sham n stuff in arenas
steep inlet
:/
brazen rock
badge>insignia right?
I prefer on use, insig probably better.
copper hare
I just stay orc until feral/assa gets like super meta
maybe lvling my second war (gnome)
celest wave
not trying to pay money to race swap
onyx vale
still orc cuz I play for the skin
copper hare
Im not a r1 player though, so it doesnt really matter
onyx vale
my mother always told me I looked like an orc
celest wave
🤣
onyx vale
still does
celest wave
i wish
opaque whale
lowkey gonna race change my orc to worgen
whens the last time u saw a serious worgen player 💀
weary jewel
🤔
weary jewel
jesus
fickle forge
Even my MS hits harder than the first one
weary jewel
MS? Sorry still learning terms
opaque whale
mortal strike
fickle forge
^
tribal wedge
frappe mortelle 🙂
weary jewel
ah
warped warren
never left
fickle forge
Or was it never over?
warped warren
fickle forge
azure willow
guys im confused , the honor gear is better than the tier set pvp gear or not ?
should i fully replace my gear with the honor gear
wooden grove
farming mats to level blacksmithing rn
celest wave
they should pay me more to do bg's
brazen rock
Bloody token set does not work in instanced pvp.
celest wave
damn really? thats lame
brazen rock
@azure willow
wooden grove
guys im confused , the honor gear is better than the tier set pvp gear or not ?
Honor > and then Conquest
brazen rock
It's good.
wooden grove
crafted pvp if you get it
brazen rock
6pce would be broken in casual pvp and rbgs
azure willow
@wooden grove wdym conquest ? im talking about the bloody token gear
wooden grove
yeah dont use that
azure willow
@brazen rock oh ok thanks
wooden grove
it doesnt work in instanced pvp
fickle forge
Conq gear when we can get it is BiS anyway
wooden grove
looks like the crafted pvp helm/boots are bis too
brazen rock
Helm is 3.5 ppm
wooden grove
at least i hope
copper hare
whos up for some bgs
void ginkgo
Do you not even get the extra verse in instanced pvp?
fickle forge
I mean you do that, I'm planning on doing minimal effort for gearing
brazen rock
No
void ginkgo
Damn
fickle forge
Conq gear -> Crafted boots -> Done
copper hare
looks like the crafted pvp helm/boots are bis too
thats the only available crafting items that scale up for pvp
so there is no other choice
fickle forge
Not lifting another finger for the grind after that
copper hare
and the helm is pretty whatever, get it when its super cheap
fickle forge
7k phys dmg looks super neglectible
copper hare
yeah but you have limited sparks first
onyx marlin
it doesnt work in instanced pvp
it doesnt?
fickle forge
Yeah and we're doing like 40k+ dps no?
wooden grove
no bloody token gear doesn't work in instanced pvp
fickle forge
Don't think it matters
drowsy wasp
Helm is crit
fickle forge
Imma skip it at least
opaque whale
so gnome is literally the best racial
wooden grove
Don't think it matters
more is more yknow
opaque whale
yeah how do u get sparks after the first one tw
celest wave
weekly
wooden grove
weekly i believe
fickle forge
more is more yknow
For sure
wooden grove
not sure about per toon
fickle forge
But I cba grinding anymore
drowsy wasp
Weekly? The aid quest?
brazen rock
comes out to like 500 dps
3.5 ppm, 6.4k dmg + vers per proc
drowsy wasp
The 4000 rep quest give spark?
wooden grove
But I cba grinding anymore
the only real grind is the 50 primal chaos you get from doing pvp anyway
fickle forge
BFA+Shadowlands has made me farm enough for a decade
brazen rock
Assuming 30% vers, 29.6k dmg per min
wooden grove
about 500 dps aint that
fickle forge
Indeedo
wooden grove
god i love you Varughh
brazen rock
warped warren
🥰
fickle forge
Go doom @warped warren
fickle forge
tribal wedge
btw, the quality of the boots is watever in pvp?
tribal wedge
nice
copper hare
battlemaster is so busted with fury my god
celest wave
ye fury is fucking insanely op
im sure they will nerf our sustain hopefully they buff arms to be good before doing it tho
xD
wooden grove
i hope blizzard continuously makes pvp pay gold lol
sadly it also means that's the stuff we're spending gold on lol
celest wave
lol maybe
just print us raw gold
:p
and make it on win
is the crafted pvp gear even optimal?
does it go higher htan conq gear?
or just a stopgap
wooden grove
scales to the same
technically it is possible the mastery helm is better than the crit helm
dont really know yet if that difference is better than the proc
opaque whale
Yes
wooden grove
you get primal chaos from playing pvp so youll end up with a ton no matter what
the sparks are the once a week things
the boots are 100% worth it
the helm is like 95% worth it
azure willow
ok
lean burrow
boots can be any quality?
fickle forge
No Artji, I'm not getting both of them
wheat jay
Stfu you are
wheat jay
You can't be handicapping us THAT har
fickle forge
Unlike you, I didn't take a 2 season break
wheat jay
YOU DONT EVEN NEED TO CRAFT THEM YOURSELF YOU ABSOLUTE TOOL
wooden grove
lmao
sage raptor
I HATE you
azure willow
What is glad distinction on the boots ?
wooden grove
azure willow
Crafted gear
wooden grove
and then soulbound shit you already have
wheat jay
EXACTLY
white briar
Arms with gear and bleed/skullsplitter build kind of cranks tbh. I guess I'm playing against randos in BGs and whatever, but there is definitely damage.
brazen rock
Arms with gear and bleed/skullsplitter build kind of cranks tbh. I guess I'm pla...
dmg isnt the problem
its being trained into sitting in d-stance the entire game
azure willow
im playing the one shot ms build
kinda fun
so yeah what is gladiator distinction on the crafter pvp gear
queen nexus
anyone know how long 1-60 takes?
queen nexus
or an hour or 30 minutes or whatever your wage is lmao
what about ingame time
stuck root
0 minutes with a boost 🙂
willow path
queen nexus
id just boost instead, 1-60 is awful
would just skip the boost if its like 1 day of lvling anyway
i can even boost for only 20€ lol
Heroic Edition upgrade
main urchin
Is it worth the 3 ilvl loss to get haste stat priority from Drakebreaker?
wheat jay
Dw, they'll for sure make Dstance 20/20 with the sustain nerf
They won't, 20/20 is bad for the game
Cuz all the pussies sit perma dstance
proper nest
Guys, where I can get those crafted pvp boots, it's form command system ? Market ? do I have to pexx blacksmith ?
wheat jay
Tbh, any dstance iteration where percentages are equal will be bad
brazen rock
Is it worth the 3 ilvl loss to get haste stat priority from Drakebreaker?
mast is fine too, so nah
wheat jay
If the dmg loss is equal to dmg reduction then ppl will just perma sit
Unless they burst
Which is shit
S2 almost every arms warr was sitting perma in dstance haha
rare ibex
Am new to Fury, what is battlemaster?
copper hare
just the stamina pvp trinket
zenith marlin
meh i dont like how honor gear scales up to 411
while conq is just like 424
So I will farm for weeks, and some random dude will hit 70 and in 4 hours will pretty much be on the same power level as me
tribal wedge
that's the point
late guys could still enjoy pvp, without getting destroy for like 100/200 arena
zenith marlin
if they are late to the patch chances are they will be stomped in arenas anyawy
tribal wedge
but still less than before
brazen rock
13 ilvls is still big
zenith marlin
13 ilvls for 10 weeks farm
brazen rock
think of it this way
honor gear being close to conq ilvl lets blizzard balance quicker.
some classes scale with secondaries and shit in unexpected ways.
also, if you just wanna stomp undergeared players after grinding 3 months for gear, go play wotlk.
fickle forge
Tbh, any dstance iteration where percentages are equal will be bad
You're right, they should go back to when it was 10/5
fickle forge
I mean if that version could work, why can't a 10/10 one too
wheat jay
Cuz it would be perma 10% wall
fickle forge
Sounds similar to this other spec
wheat jay
With occassional 10% more dmg
zenith marlin
i mean I will just have to level every damn class to 70 and play whatever is broken since honor gear is so accessible to have an edge
lean burrow
fury with 10% wall:
fickle forge
Isn't Enrage like 7 sec with the PvP talent?
Or at least 6 sec
Either way, it's not running out
zenith marlin
I play annihilator so enrage is like 100% up time
rare ibex
just the stamina pvp trinket
I'm really dumb I guess., I don't see it on the quatermaster. Where is it picked up?
zenith marlin
its on the last tab
brazen rock
there are virtually no negatives to having honor gear so close to conq and many positives
zenith marlin
oh the pvp one there are many
fickle forge
A lot of passive small defensives in the game
wheat jay
Isn't Enrage like 7 sec with the PvP talent?
Iirc its 4
fickle forge
Druids be having a free 6% wall at all times too
fickle forge
Then it's 5 with PvP talent
wheat jay
Thing is
zenith marlin
the negative is that I will be 424 ilvl with BiS pvp gear and a 12 hours played lvl 70 Subtelty with 411 honor will one shot me with Echoing Reprimand in a stun lock
fickle forge
Ye, DH had like 22% perma wall vs magic
wheat jay
Your's is a toggle
fickle forge
DK has spellwarding
warped warren
the negative is that I will be 424 ilvl with BiS pvp gear and a 12 hours played ...
nerfed by 30% dw
burnt hull
idk why anyone would complain about how easy it is to get honor gear
lean burrow
the negative is that I will be 424 ilvl with BiS pvp gear and a 12 hours played ...
skill issue
zenith marlin
Do they even sim this game like how are the numbers so out of touch sometimes
lean burrow
burnt hull
sounds like you want longer queues and more stomps in arenas
brazen rock
the negative is that I will be 424 ilvl with BiS pvp gear and a 12 hours played ...
already nerfed
zenith marlin
nice
wheat jay
There's always some broken shit
Sometimes its warr, sometimes its lock or Hunter
Always rogue tho
Fuck rogues
brazen rock
again, no issues with honor gear being close to conq gear unless you get your dick hard farming fresh 70s in BGs
tribal wedge
btw i don't see in which way fury doesn't get nerf before season sstart, this shit so broken, could 1v3 in wpvp
zenith marlin
while everybody else has 180k hp
brazen rock
btw i don't see in which way fury doesn't get nerf before season sstart, this sh...
any 3 70s in honor gear should have no issue killing you
zenith marlin
wpvp implies that the 70s arent in honor gear