pvp

[raw summit]

psure its a net neutral at 2 stack but better at low ones

if you left OP buff unchanged there could be stupid ass "get 2 EP from SD 2 OP and then oneshot with avatar+hurricane buffs" type shit

[mild thunder]

agreed, but it doesnt change the fact that these buffs are dogshit

[raw summit]

unnerf dstance

[mild thunder]

un-nerf dstance, bring back IP and either misshapen/overwatch

who cares about playing arms as another glass cannon mongo dps /snore

[green wyvern]

I think these changes are fine

10% avoidance shouldn't be underestimated, for example it reduces eye beam, blade dance damage etc.

and you will have to stance dance a lot

since its only 3 sec cd

[mild thunder]

actually im not even sure thats true... i have a hunch that beam, blade dance etc are counted as "cleave" and wouldnt be reduced by avoidance

[fickle forge]

But it really isn't though

Perma +45% dmg vs occasionally having it amped a bit less

[mild thunder]

where are you getting a perma +45% from? its a 30% damage increase, with a 50% decrease in MP potency. and the way that arms generally works is that you're almost always overpowering 1-2 times between MS anyway

[green wyvern]

I think all spells that hit more than 1 target are considered AoE

even chain spells like Avengers Shield and Chain Heal

[mild thunder]

definitely not true, as was noticed on the LoD fight from sepulcher... were some very weird distinctions between aoe and cleave spells

[green wyvern]

bruh pve spells

[fickle forge]

No, it's no longer dealing 30% less damage, so it's 1/0.7 more damage

Roughly 45%

[green wyvern]

I would just run a bladestorm unhinged build, since your ms doesn't depend on modifiers that much

bs also easily applies deep wounds everywhere

[fickle forge]

You're overall dealing a lot more MS damage this way

Exe buff is nice too

[mild thunder]

even still, damage is not arms' problem at all

[fickle forge]

For sure for sure

Because it has been dealing oceans of damage up until now

[green wyvern]

I think it will be playable

[mild thunder]

and getting retuned into a boring dps spec with no utility and shit defensives is boring af... most people i know that play arms picked it up for the utility and a playmaker style of gameplay in arenas, not a dmg bot

[fickle forge]

You literally have arguably the most utility out of all the melees?

What other melee can rotate like 5 different PvP talents for utility

[mild thunder]

definitely not arms lol

[fickle forge]

It's the same as in SL, where arms was considered a utility god

[mild thunder]

arms has lost a ton of its utility from SL...

[fickle forge]

Which

[green wyvern]

sharpen blade is overrated af

especially in a less bursty expansion

you can now replace it with something else

[mild thunder]

OW, misshapen, safeguard, intervene 50% nerf, spear nerfs...

[green wyvern]

war banner, disarm, warbringer ez

[mild thunder]

on top of being less tanky for your teammates

how do you unironically think arms has the same utility it had before

[green wyvern]

I mean those things made warrior overpowered in S1

can't expect to be S+ tier forever

[mild thunder]

and not all of them should be returned... OW is more fun than misshapen, and the intervene nerf is justified but too heavy without safeguard

i would be more than happy for arms to not deal unhealable damage to have some actually fun utility brought back

[fickle forge]

Only one of those we lost going into DF was spear duration

And Safeguard

[mild thunder]

where's misshapen?

and OW

[fickle forge]

Besides misshapen, which wasn't played a lot, they were lost during SL where arms was then still considered a utility god

Like Idk what you're expecting, you want 6 sec Intervene, OW, 1 min rally etc. to come back?

[green wyvern]

OW and misshapen were broken into certain comps

[mild thunder]

i literally said not all of them should come back, but some with mitigating nerfs to our damage

[fickle forge]

Don't think you should expect that

It won't happen

At most, I could see them maybe returning OW or Safeguard

[mild thunder]

never said i expected it, said itwould be nice

[green wyvern]

Yeah safefuard should be reimplemented

[fickle forge]

Uh no you said

[mild thunder]

which is correct

[fickle forge]

So you are expecting utility buffs then

[mild thunder]

do you know how to read?

[muted surge]

hey guys did you see the arms buffs

[mild thunder]

where exactly did i say im expecting utility buffs

[onyx vale]

its a buff at all stacks, if i'm not retarded ( and I might be ) the old numbers would be
70% / 70x1,3 = 91% / 70x1,6 = 112%
vs
100% / 100x1,15= 115% / 100x1,3 = 130%

[fickle forge]

Lack of utility

Aka you want utility

Also known as utility buffs

[mild thunder]

yes, i want utility

[onyx vale]

even with one stack of martial prowess new ms will deal more damage than old one with 2 stacks

[mild thunder]

is that the same as expecting it?

[onyx vale]

also a big buff to unhinged

[fickle forge]

Considering you're complaining about these buffs "doing nothing" to address your concern for lack of utility

[onyx vale]

now if i could stop getting one shot by demon hunter looking at me

[fickle forge]

Yeah I'd say you're expecting a buff to utility, since you think it's bad

[mild thunder]

there's nothing i can do to make you not an idiot in that case... if you dont understand the difference between pointing out an issue and saying im expecting something to be done about it, i dont know what to say

[onyx vale]

oh also stop giving mortal strike to everyone

first take it back from fucking dh

[fickle forge]

Then why are you pointing it out lol

I'm pointing out this issue, and I'm expecting nothing to be done about it

Yeah okay

[mild thunder]

because this is a discussion channel? im sorry, am i not allowed to discuss things?

[fickle forge]

We are discussing

[onyx vale]

I mean that does make sense, pvp is a mini game and blizzard doesnt care about its balance all that much

they do put a lot of work into pvp cosmetic however

which is kinda weird

[fickle forge]

They've been pushing a lot of balancing lately tbh

Hope it'll stick this way

[mild thunder]

so you're saying you're expecting them to take mortal strike away from other classes, garrosh?

[onyx vale]

no i'm not, i'm just mad dh has it, alongside every other fucking class

[mild thunder]

no, you said its an issue that means that you expect blizz to take it away from every class but arms

[fickle forge]

Man's hurt

[onyx vale]

it was nice when ms was kinda arms' niche, no wonder arms is such in a weird spot now that everyone has it, I'm sure rogues would struggle too if everyone had stealth

[fickle forge]

I mean let's be honest

Any melee that doesn't have MS, doesn't work without playing with a melee that has MS

Rarely would 2 non-MS melees pair up and be successful

[mild thunder]

so...? thats part of arena

not every class combo works or should work

[fickle forge]

Means that if 1-2 melees have MS, those two specs/classes control all the comps

[onyx vale]

I agree, I just think some of the classes who got it should not have

[fickle forge]

BFA hero cleave was a rare example of 2 non-MS melees being good, but they'd take fucking F O R E V E R to kill anything

[onyx vale]

i'm sure dh wouldnt struggle to find mates even without it

[fickle forge]

Even if they outdamaged everyone else

[mild thunder]

they've just decided to blur the lines between brawler, true dps, hybrid specs etc and its a bit chaotic and stupid

[onyx vale]

I shouldnt complain too much tbh

last time people complained about homogenisation wod happened

I much prefer an expansion where everyone has everything like mop

than an expansion where no one has anything like wod

[mild thunder]

mop arms... take me back

[fickle forge]

Ye, agree

At least we're going back towards it somewhat

[onyx vale]

yeah dragonflight is a step in the right direction, just hoping I'll be able to play arms without getting my ass destroyed

although I wouldnt complain if they decided to delete dh

[mild thunder]

reroll dh with all the other brainlets

[copper hare]

wtf is wrong with sub rogues even

they can literally oneshot with the worst gear in the game

[final grove]

Rogues are the biggest pussies

Don’t worry about them

[idle helm]

What stats after vers are we going for as Fury?

[final grove]

Haste mastery crit

In that order

[undone pumice]

haste my beloved

[idle helm]

thank god I asked... Thanks! Brb correcting some stupid decisions.

[warped warren]

🥰haste

[proud ether]

what weapon enchants should i get for 2hand fury in pvp?

[warm kiln]

I guess its more like vers / haste / mastery / crit , right?

[undone pumice]

i wouldnt worry about vers

unless smth majorly changed about it since sl

just get 30 and u be fine

u will get 30 anyway tho

[warm kiln]

I see, new to warrior so that's why i'm asking 😛

[undone pumice]

dont sweat if ur like 29 or 28 tho

[warm kiln]

What about Slam, is it used in PvP or it shouldn't be on the bars?

[undone pumice]

if ur using mud's build with reckless abandon

u dont use slam a lot

u can use it if you are overcapping rage but then u can just press rampage

rampage if ur coolest button

enrages u

applies slaughter

[warm kiln]

I'm using Mud build yes, the one from the pinned messages 😛

What about Whirlwind?

[undone pumice]

u dont get stacks with the mud build

so id use it if ur bloodthirst is omehow on cd

u dont have any burst buttons

no rage for rampage

cause it also doesnt cost rage

[warm kiln]

Makes total sense yes ❤️

[undone pumice]

but

u get stacks from odyn's fury

even the ava proc one

so that something u can think about

[warm kiln]

I'm using it sometimes , only for the stacks yes ^^

[undone pumice]

it also does big dmfg just on its own

take everything i say with a mountain of salt as i am bad tho

[brazen rock]

its a filler for the very odd occasion you dont have BT off CD or rage to rampage.

[rotund magnet]

So fury is better in pvp? Than arms? 😦

[brazen rock]

fury is better than arms currently.

[rotund magnet]

Oof 😦 so sad….

Thanks homie

[iron fractal]

Anyone got a good guild for fury?

[brazen rock]

check pins.

[iron fractal]

ty

So fury is better for pvp than arms atm?

[brazen rock]

yes

[iron fractal]

Huh.. you dont use Raging blow for pvp fury?

[tribal wedge]

spam bt is better (full regen)

[cinder thorn]

You can use raging instead of annihilator but it's a lot of button pressing for the same dps output

[tribal wedge]

and far less tankyness

[fickle forge]

You're more durable with 2h'ers though no?

[cinder thorn]

More stamina and stats in general yes

[fickle forge]

Ye

[thick reef]

Is there like a place for common pvp builds? Or do I have to search through streamer videos?

[wraith hemlock]

@thick reef bajheera just came out w/ a video describing his talent choices but for fury you want the anhil build

which is what he runs, though I think he takes spear of bastion over thunderous roar which i kinda disagree w/based on situation you're in

[thick reef]

Is arms or fury meta or about even split?

[left scarab]

fury is king

[thick reef]

Sadge I like arms

[subtle hinge]

Yes but how far arms is from fury

[tribal wedge]

far

like arms deal medium damage for no tankyness, while fury deal good damage and a lot of regen

[fickle forge]

Used to be the pins in this channel

[undone pumice]

this post was made by bench checking gang

[paper wigeon]

rly the new pinned build does not have spear? i dont know about that 😒

[brazen rock]

750 token WQ up

for NA

gives 800ish in warmode

[drowsy wasp]

Anyone crafted the 5% cc reduction gear yet? Can you choose the stats?

[fickle forge]

In case anyone's curious about the MS buff and OP nerf thing

[thick reef]

I dont see it, where is it?

[drowsy wasp]

So it’s a buff of around 20?

[fickle forge]

It always hits harder basically

1 stack of OP post-buff is stronger than 2 stacks of OP pre-buff

Hits roughly 45% harder with no OP stacks, and 16% harder with 2 stacks of OP

[scarlet barn]

Give this man back SF

[wooden grove]

Alright so how do we feel about the balanc tuning

I feel like arms gonna be D tier instead of F

[tribal wedge]

damage good, but surv not good

[lean burrow]

why does it count prebuff as 0.7 instead of 1 and postbuff as 1 instead of 1.3?

[tribal wedge]

Ms is nerf in pvp, count as 0.7 of the damage

[lean burrow]

[left scarab]

any more details on this? where does it start and whats it require (im EU)

[grand belfry]

Does fury have better surv?

[fickle forge]

Like mentioned, it was doing 30% reduced dmg before, now it isn't

[boreal stone]

Doing gods work

[clear glacier]

hey guys, what are bis stats for arms atm pvp?

[boreal stone]

He said it’s NA

[boreal stone]

Vers crit haste mastery

Haste might become better if bleed playstyle, but mortal strike is back to doing big dam, so prob crit after versa

[thorn herald]

The Ms change is a huge buff

But everyone here has played fury so long they got no braincells

[boreal stone]

Mastery might gain value as well. Prepare to have a bit of everything

[thorn herald]

Need some defensive buffs and arms will be fine

[boreal stone]

I only played fury in season 4. Was working on glad eins as DH war rsham. Necro fury didn’t feel great, so I tried kyrian arms and still did okay. Not all of us are brain dead XD

[thorn lichen]

You’re talking like it isn’t fine atm.

[wheat tangle]

If inwanna lvl thru bgs do I get xp even jf we lose ?

[clear glacier]

thanks 😄

[thorn herald]

I've been doing alright on arms playing the unhinged build which I've been vocal about thinking it sucks

So I've been surprised at how well it's been doing

[thorn herald]

You get XP off objectives and honor gains I think

[clever furnace]

what should i enchant my weap with for arms pvp?

[thorn herald]

You get a lot more for winning

[wheat tangle]

I'm trying to lvl all my alts thru pvp

My main is dk but I wanna play fury too bc they look so fun

Fury is still bis for pvp right ?

[thorn herald]

Are you red.or blue

Fury is better yeah

[wheat tangle]

Red but I'm thinking of swapping my war to blue for ez alliance bgs lol

[thorn herald]

Wouldn't hurt if you wanna win bgs

[wheat tangle]

Y has arms fallen off ? I remember sl 1 and 2 it was bis

[thorn herald]

They changed something going from slands to df

Mortal strike just started hitting for nothing

We've gotten a lot of buffs now and our damage is getting pretty spicy now

[wheat tangle]

Oh that's wierd I got glad in ssn 2 and stopped playing but I'm really excited for df

[thorn herald]

Yeah dude like in the last season of slands Ms hit fine

Pre patch it was hitting for nothing

Bizarro

[obsidian python]

What stats do fury warriors prio for pvp?

[wheat tangle]

I'm so happy dk finally got buffed I played frost to glad in ssn 2 and it was miserable happy uh is s tier and frost is high a tier

[thorn herald]

I think it's haste for fury

I don't play the spec tho

[wheat tangle]

Haste mastery balance

You want mastery so ir raging bloe and shit hits harder

Haste to smooth out the rotation

I go more mastery bc I like seeing big numbers but that's just me

I played fury pre patch for a bit in shuffles and tbats what felt better but idk I'm not a good warrior player

[thorn herald]

I just heard it's haste and haste and I guess mastery is better than crit

[boreal stone]

Versa Haste Mastery, then crit

get haste on everything u can. The pieces u cant get haste on, get mastery

[boreal stone]

The main stat enchant

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/0a904ad60cbffea7d3af9db65bfa6dd2

holy fuck ele is so disgusting fun

unreal

[boreal stone]

This is a warrior discord lol

[copper hare]

fun alt

xd

[boreal stone]

Fair

[serene cobalt]

when we upgrade honor pieces do the stats actually improve in arenas and bgs/

[boreal stone]

I always saw ele as "Why would I spam lava bursts for 10k when I could one shot ppl with aimed shot instead?"

[serene cobalt]

?*

[boreal stone]

no

[copper hare]

no

[thorn herald]

You think the main stat is better than secondary for arms?

[serene cobalt]

so whats the point of upgrading?

[boreal stone]

pve item level

[thorn herald]

I was leaning to secondary cause the main stat isn't really a high %

[serene cobalt]

for pve stuff?

ah ok

so if I got a full honor set im done then?

[boreal stone]

Main stat is your biggest dps increase

[serene cobalt]

kk

thanks

[boreal stone]

yessir

make an alt!

[serene cobalt]

I might, wanna try demo lock maybe enh sham

[boreal stone]

gearing is unbelievably quick

do some bgs while leveling

Im sitting at like 4k honor on my hunter from only doing a few of them

[serene cobalt]

will do

[copper hare]

you need half a day and you're fully geared

so inane

but make sure you queue as alliance

[boreal stone]

yeah. alliance just owns atm

im alliance on most of my toons, just not my warrior

[thorn herald]

@elfin surge what enchant for arms main stat or haste

[quick nimbus]

do i prio execute before bloodbath? or before bloodthirst?

[copper hare]

are you already buying weapon ench xd

[serene cobalt]

also, quick question, is the warmode gear better than honor? i have 4 pieces on for fury rn got a lot more vers in bgs

[copper hare]

no, set doesnt work in arena

[serene cobalt]

ok

[thorn herald]

My wife is an enchanter

[thorn herald]

You have slightly more vers in the honor gear cause it has a higher ilvl but it doesn't really matter

Difference of 3 ilvls

[serene cobalt]

ok thanks chief

[copper hare]

rich family I see

want a son?

[thorn herald]

I have 2

Do you cry and shit yourself for no reason

[thick reef]

Arms or Fury for bg's?

[copper hare]

yeah when I play arena

lol

[thorn herald]

Lol

[thorn herald]

Fury's better but arms has blade storm and spear which makes for fun bg moments

[thick reef]

❤️

Is there a build out there for arms? seen the one on pins but is that alitte dated now

[proud ether]

any idea whats the best weapon enchant for fury 2hand pvp?

[gleaming wagon]

do we just go for haste + vers gear as much as possible for Fury?

[serene cobalt]

ver>haste>mastery>Crit

[elfin surge]

none do not waste ur gold yet

[paper wigeon]

are we sure that we wanna take the haste mastery head over the haste vers head for blood tokens ?

seems like missing out on like 4 ilvl should be worth it for the stat ?

[thorn herald]

doesnt matter whats ur opinion

main stat or haste

[elfin surge]

prob main stat

[scarlet barn]

Doesnt matter whats your opinion
Give me your opinion

[gleaming wagon]

I don't want your opinion
Give me an answer to my question

[thorn herald]

i dont need to know whether to save gold or not

didnt realize they used epic shards, but i was curious as to whether its main stat or secondary

[wheat tangle]

So the set bonus from the bloody tokens gear doesn't work in arena ?

[oblique apex]

what should i stack as arms vers>haste or vers>crit ?

[brazen rock]

or bgs

its purely open world.

[brazen rock]

Plains, top left.

[still sequoia]

how come no spear of bastion?

[elfin surge]

spear might be better in arena

roar op in bgs tho

[brazen rock]

spear for playing with other melee in 3s, but too ez to bug yourself out of

[still sequoia]

ok

[shut barn]

have u guys tried arms with the buff ?

how is it feel

[outer elk]

is the buff live yet?

[sharp meteor]

No, it isn't.

Class Tuning Incoming -- December 6

We’re working on a slate of tuning adjustments to classes in Dragonflight. The following changes are scheduled to be implemented with weekly maintenance, Tuesday, December 6 in this region.

Top of the notes.

[shut barn]

never mind then mb

[hearty horizon]

Anhilliatior side. Trying to wrap my head around execute vs. Bloodthirst with all Bloodthirst talents. Is execute a clear winner?

[fickle forge]

Maybe it'll be with the tier set who knows

[brazen rock]

nope

bloodthirst hits harder in execute range

vicious contempt talent is dumb as shit

[white otter]

im guessing we always take TG instead of smf even if its more honor to get gear, right?

[brazen rock]

yes

merc as alliance enjoy wins

[scarlet barn]

[cinder thorn]

Anyone else struggle to land spear when enemies are moving?

It feels like the circle doesn't connect often and they just run away for me

[brazen rock]

yup

used it in an hourish of skirms

feels more bugged than before

[cinder thorn]

Any tips for landing that spell? Do you cast ahead of where they running or at their location or do you use @placid quiveror or what

[crude bane]

https://gyazo.com/b1eea660a934700a5657ad141da28ce3

evoker ^^

insatnt 200 K ^^

nice ^^

[brazen rock]

use cursor and cast slightly ahead to compenstate for lag and travel

fire breath? its getting chunked by like 35% initital hit

on tuesday

[copper hare]

its nerfed on wednesday anyways

[lime fossil]

why do warrs do 22m damage in a bg and dks do 16m

is it just big ass bladestorms

[brazen rock]

its bgs

[lime fossil]

so warrs just have more cleave got it

does that make them better for rbgs

[brazen rock]

i mean, theres too many factors at play

warrior with a pocket healer will top dmg every bg

also gear diff

[delicate bronze]

can you equip the same ring twice?

forgot

[brazen rock]

no

[cinder thorn]

If it says unique, no

[sharp meteor]

Should be unique.

[shut barn]

BS damage is not effective at least it wasnt in shadowlands with all modifiers

[sharp meteor]

cos its bgs

depending on lineup you can do like 3-4x dmg of the next person with most specs

[shut barn]

its like a pad damage

wont make any difference imo

just a number

[lime fossil]

I see what u guys are saying. I just like being a monster in bgs but i dont want to get rekt by dks in arena

[brazen rock]

you wont be after the next tuning pass

[sharp meteor]

warr demolishes dk

[brazen rock]

^

[sharp meteor]

they have to press chains and run outside goes or they just die

[lean burrow]

fantasy-wise that's dumb

[brazen rock]

angry gnome > magic

deal with it

[soft zodiac]

Is random BGs the fastest way to get honor gear?

[lean burrow]

yea

just play objective instead of hitting bear druid

[late nacelle]

whats out highest crit

my highest is like 25k so far

[lime fossil]

I hit 40ks on my sub rogue

[main urchin]

Highest crit of what? I executed someone for 65k I think.

[late nacelle]

wrecking throw

88k

XD

[drowsy wasp]

90k on my ele shaman

[wintry kelp]

folks, could anyone please point me to a fury talent build?

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/800e517e54619267f2bbdd0e46bbbc10

not even sweating

[uneven turret]

so what u guys reckon arms will be with this buff

[thorn herald]

110k Ms on a warlock

[copper hare]

was he lvl 40? :D

[warped warren]

f tier unplayable, stay fury

[clever furnace]

does Crushing Force talent apply to WW?

[left scarab]

pins

[small silo]

how does dark iron dwarf compare to human for alliance ?

[copper hare]

its waaaay better than human

no reason to play human when you can play dwarf/dark iron or gnome

[clever furnace]

boiz for arms.. does the crushing force talent that buffs slam by 60%^ apply to WW? when ic ast WW?

[jovial salmon]

Why would it

[brazen rock]

everyday i get closer to dropping orc for gnome

[thorn herald]

Looks

Gnome looks like : 💩

[brazen rock]

slayer mog for dark iron is goated though

[soft zodiac]

What should I buy with the bloody tokens vs honor?

[wide lance]

should I prioritize OH weapon over armor after I already have 1 honor weapon?

[brazen rock]

just fill in slots

until you have full pvp

the set bonus does not work in instanced content.

[near delta]

Lunks can't do math. Kargish was falsely accused

[late nacelle]

what enchants

u guys running

[sharp meteor]

none because they'll be cheaper later

actually does vigor still work lmao

[uneven turret]

really?

[sage raptor]

bro dont give away my strats like that

[distant field]

Can someone paste bg & arenas fury build

[brazen rock]

pins.

[wooden grove]

need a bot for that at this point lmao

[soft zodiac]

trinkets for human?

[wooden grove]

we'll see if the buffs revive it but currently yeah it's garbo

[sharp meteor]

where craft unity

[lean burrow]

[near delta]

What's this I heard about a 750 bloody token quest?

Don't see any up rn

[spice hornet]

it's not visibile when youre in valdrakken

for some reason

[clear wharf]

is fury still OP ?

[lethal jackal]

Where?

[near delta]

Here earlier

[near delta]

This one

[brazen rock]

plains

top left

[near delta]

Do you recall what it's called?

Oh found it

Good looking out

[brazen rock]

ye alot of WQs dont seem to appear if your in vald

[copper hare]

NA or?

[brazen rock]

NA, idk about eu

[near delta]

Yeah in NA at leas it's right here

[copper hare]

maybe we get it tomorrow aswell

[brazen rock]

stand off to the side and storm bolt people about to get hit by ground effects

good fun

[dark sparrow]

It’s already in Eu , did it earlier today. Not sure about the 750 tokens tho, think it just gave shoulders for me

[spice citrus]

fury pvp stats?

[burnt glen]

why do fury and arms have didnt stat priorities 😦

[brazen rock]

fury is vers > haste > mast > crit

arms is vers > crit=mast > haste i think

[tribal wedge]

crit = mast for sure? arms seems very crit "dependent"

[brazen rock]

hence the i think

i play unga bunga fury

[tribal wedge]

since the set is all about crit

[dusk stirrup]

What trinkets are you guys taking for human fury pvp?

[copper hare]

Im not playing human, but Ive seen a lot of people taking adapt

[tribal wedge]

jsut land this crit against SP with the spear

[mild thunder]

because they're different specs...?

[stuck mulch]

did skirmish... went up against 2 DH...

do i even try to win

[tribal wedge]

as arms*

[soft zodiac]

does human racial and glad medallion have same CD?

[fickle forge]

No

[tribal wedge]

?

[urban skiff]

Do we have any stat priorities yet for fury?

I've been pumping haste for no good reason

oh nvm, i see there's a pin now

looks like i did it right

[slender bear]

Anyone got a good pvp build for fury?

And how is arms vs fury looking like?

[sharp meteor]

probably the same as what it was before

can't go wrong with vers/haste then mastery when you can't get haste

mastery is bigger hits, crit is more frequent bigger hits, so can mix it up a bit, but for the most consistent arena experience it's haste/vers>mast>crit, imo

[noble stream]

the way DK survivability got destroyed suggests either fury is next or it's going under the radar when they tune DH

[sharp meteor]

feral doomed to be broken because like 10 people play it

[noble stream]

also I've been thinking that improved execute is unnecessary

[mint tinsel]

is fury or arms better to play with hunter resto druid?

[wheat jay]

Whichever is stronger at the time

Doesn't matter at all when playing KFC

[wheat crane]

Did you get reborn? Absolutely love it so far.

[urban skiff]

it definitely is. I got more rage than I know what to do with

[noble stream]

not yet

[slender bear]

What seem strongewr atm?

[copper hare]

No you 100% want and take that

[sharp meteor]

Seems too juiced with tier.

[wheat jay]

Fuck knows, arms is getting shitton of buffs, fury probably gonna get hit with nerfhammer

On survivability

[sharp meteor]

Shit is getting buffed/nerfed by 15-30% each week just play w/e and figure it out later.

You could make a new char in like 3 months and push whatever goal.

[lean burrow]

3 months for a new char?

[slender bear]

Ah cool - is the plan for a bleed build ?
I am not sure if i am going for that i like the big MS and execute haha

[wheat jay]

Noone knows yet, but looks like big ms will be the go

[slender bear]

Awesome

[wheat jay]

With rend/skullsplitter for some off dmg

Like, why limit yourself

When you can literally play both at the same time xD

[slender bear]

Yeah yeah thats very true!

[wheat jay]

Skullsplitter+rend is 3 talent points

Then you take unhinged

And you're chilling

[slender bear]

so much dmg

jesus

[noble stream]

why?

I have mroe rage than I can use

[copper hare]

That doesnt make sense, then you don't press enough rampage

the only time you overcap is during cds

[noble stream]

I can't press rampage if I'm pressing execute

just the autos from that execute already give me rage

[brazen rock]

With vicious contempt bloodthirst hits harder than execute

[noble stream]

the 20 rage itself is overcapping

[brazen rock]

I've crit 70k bloodbaths on people below 30% lmao

[copper hare]

No, only because execute is available, doesnt mean you press it

rampage is your first prio, always

[wheat jay]

Does rampage do more dmg than execute per cast?

[copper hare]

when you're close to rage gap, you delay execute, press rampage first

[sharp meteor]

i need to look into specifics one day, i just hit what lights up

[copper hare]

that's not only about rawr damage, it's also about slaughterhouse and reck procs

you never delay rampage for any other abiltiy

[sharp meteor]

ya that's how it felt

[wheat jay]

DAMAGE

[slender bear]

Okay fury does feel scary atm

Does some good pressure tbh

[clever furnace]

how do u cancel bladestorm ?

[copper hare]

can't with hurricane

[clever furnace]

k cool ty

[slender bear]

So whats the odd of Odins fury getting nerfed <,<

[crude bane]

https://gyazo.com/047137f25eb5ad271764607209caa4d1

elem blast

pvp is promising this patch

[green wyvern]

They will hit fury's survivability (if they do nerf anything)

not odins fury

[vernal quest]

am i supposed to mix 2 pieces of bloody gear into honor gear or go full honor gear for pvp?

[cinder thorn]

I don't think bloody works well in pvp instances only in world pvp, correct me if I'm wrong

[vernal quest]

i mean bgs and arena, not war mode

[vernal quest]

yeah i am experiencing that xD

but do you go full bloody for open world then?

[vernal quest]

it works, and it transforms into 408 ilvl

[slender bear]

How much harder i arms compared to fury?

[vital cedar]

bloodbath does

i pretty much dont use execute anymore

[lean burrow]

wait, you shouldn't press execute with annihilator build?

[brazen rock]

Set bonus is disabled in instanced content.

[vital cedar]

its good with sudden death if you dont need the healing from BB/BT

but below 35% BB will do more damage

[lean burrow]

ty

[noble stream]

execute has ashen juggernaut and cruel strikes, you still want to press it at all times except when you can rampage

I just don't think it needs rage generation

[brazen rock]

You don't take ashen rn

Bloodbath does more in execute range and comparable outside of.

[noble stream]

it lasts 15s so it still benefits outside execute range and without tier set

it just gets cracked with set

[brazen rock]

And the points are better elsewhere

[copper hare]

set seems really garbage for bloodthirst build not gonna lie

[brazen rock]

Yeah it's trash, I only press execute for the very rare occasion I need the rage

[thick reef]

just st arted getting pvp gear, so, upgrading gives 6 pvp ilvl an upgrade?

[copper hare]

upgrading pvp pieces does nothing to ilvl in pvp, only useful for pve

[thick reef]

Nvm my dumbass misread

[low sparrow]

warrior lock a comp?

[brazen rock]

Fury/aff could be fun.

[tribal wedge]

unkillable comp

[brazen rock]

Fury/aff/prevoker

[copper hare]

I saw some arms/destru in slands aswell but fury demo doesnt work sadly, fucking slaughterhouse bug

[brazen rock]

Also double fury with melee hpal

[odd viper]

tsg looking good

[copper hare]

I think you're not updated my friend :D

[slender bear]

DK's looking pretty strong and fury in a good place, wouldnt that land TSG in a pretty decent spot?

[copper hare]

dk got hammered yesterday

[slender bear]

Oh

[copper hare]

probably went from s tier to c tier

[slender bear]

Didnt know thjat

Sorry mave

Jesus christ

[copper hare]

a nerf was deserved but they overkilled that shit https://gyazo.com/95792cd59798ca2637d2ff88aa13db55

[quick carbon]

dks going to be fine

[brazen rock]

Dk still fine just not unkillable gods anymore

Dh gets nerfed and we have a fairly decent start of a season

[drowsy wasp]

odyn fury can remove roots, what else can it remove?

[brazen rock]

Snares

[copper hare]

it's only the avatar proccing from your torment talent, so yeah roots n snares

[quick carbon]

arms is going to be insane on tuesday too

[quick carbon]

tbf fury couldd use some healing nerfs too

[brazen rock]

no its not lmao

[drowsy wasp]

does anyone know if the 5% cc boots can be recraft into different stats later on?

its mastery/vers right now

[quick carbon]

i mean im hitting 100k-115k mortal strikes in cds right now, its going to do alot of damage

[copper hare]

Was asking myself the same question, havent found any information

[brazen rock]

yes and how many GCDs does it take to setup that MS?

[quick carbon]

theyre changing that tho lol

[brazen rock]

Csmash, 2 OPs, sharpen, MS?

[quick carbon]

making it hit consistently haarder

[brazen rock]

2stack MS will hit for same amount.

[sharp meteor]

idk but mastery is fine

[drowsy wasp]

yeah mastery is fine

[brazen rock]

arms primary problem is falling over to anything that looks at them outside of parry

[drowsy wasp]

but im hoping to have the option to recraft later into haste/vers

[brazen rock]

that isn't changing on tuesday

[quick carbon]

idk if arms was fine in bfa with aa 3m cd parry then it should be fine on tues with more damage

[brazen rock]

..

[drowsy wasp]

what if you play prot pally/healer/arms, 1.5 healer should be able to keep you up

[brazen rock]

ok

[copper hare]

wait that can actually happen? what in the fuck

https://gyazo.com/736e824d84de3602abd50feefad09dc8

[uneven turret]

which two pieces do u craft

[copper hare]

there is only 2 pieces that scale up in pvp no

[drowsy wasp]

helm has a proc

boots has cc reduction

[copper hare]

yeah only 2 items, so there is no real choice

[drowsy wasp]

i actually cannot find a crafter

[royal rose]

What are bis pvp enchants for fury?

[merry valley]

Bloodbath rly needs to not heal and fury will be good

triple bt heal in 2secs is too strong

[brazen rock]

buff bloodbath dam and remove healing

fixes pve and lets me crit 100k bloodbaths in pvp

[merry valley]

thers no real reasson to play raging blow build even if bb heal gets removed

pretty much same dpss

with the extra of not running out of stacks of rb

[drowsy wasp]

With my terrible positioning, I need the self healing from bloodthrist

[thorn herald]

anyone know if you can recraft the infurious warboots to drop the mastery for a diff stat

[merry valley]

i think they come with set stats

cant be changed im afraid

[thorn herald]

[merry valley]

is it possible to already craft them anyway?

[thorn herald]

yea

[copper hare]

yeah but I think people only have one spark until week 3 or

[thorn herald]

you only need 1 spark for boots

[merry valley]

yh

my question is wasnt that recepy only avaible by rated pvp drop?

might be wrong

[drifting abyss]

Hi guys! Searching for a class to reroll for this addon, how is war for arena/pvp?

[merry valley]

war is ok

[brazen rock]

nah its any pvp

my buddy got it out of a bounty bag

[merry valley]

thats great

[thorn escarp]

They think it’s a buff xd

It’s neither a buff or nerf you do the same dmg

They nerfed sharpen blade and op stack

Read the bluepost carefully

[merry valley]

mortal strike consistent dmg when up

went*

burst went bit down

[thorn escarp]

Same dmg as now

Nothing changed

[copper hare]

he said mastery is fine as a stat on the 5% crafting boots

[thorn escarp]

Did u read the op stack nerf btw?

[copper hare]

idk what you're reading

[thorn escarp]

Ur @ not u mb

There’s a guy that said it’s a massive buff xd

[merry valley]

it did cause now u can use stuff like unhinged and all of those ms strikes get base 30%increase

but i see what u mean

[thorn escarp]

Yea

They are scared to buff arms while they buffed rouges by 30% and killing you in 2 seconds

[merry valley]

they did say by the end of the post more changes are coming

well see

i wanted to ask if anyone tried

does deep wounds mastery build is even worth?

[thorn escarp]

Exacute got buffed but I think it’s still not enough

[thorn escarp]

Yea cleave with the deep wound heal talent might be got let’s see

[bright flume]

current pvp build any suggestions?

seems to be doing nice

[merry valley]

dont sleep on slam

[thorn escarp]

Yea it’s good

It will wreck in solo shuffle

[thorn escarp]

Yea true stack slam talents I’m hitting for a lot ms dmg on slam

[brazen rock]

yeah pins.

[bright flume]

thankyou

eh slam bro

do we even need it as fury , arms feels like you do

[brazen rock]

they're talking about arms.

[thorn escarp]

Dragon better then spear

?

[bright flume]

ohh gotcha

im enjoying the bleed

[brazen rock]

roar gud for bg/open world

[bright flume]

i have it macrod with avatar and reck and it does big ass burst on demand

[brazen rock]

spear better for arena

[thorn escarp]

Solo shuffles?

[merry valley]

slam is great on fury

storm of sward+ the other 2 modifiers

hiting for 40k+ in arena

[thorn escarp]

If they remove bt healing every one will switch to arms xd

[warped warren]

fotm rollers

cringe

[bright flume]

yeh but what points do u lose in the process?

[thorn escarp]

Lot of bitches crying over fury heals

[brazen rock]

so it hits for the same as bloodthirst without proccing CSHB or healing you

hmm

[bright flume]

exactly...

[brazen rock]

and it requires 2 points in crushing force

[bright flume]

i dont see it as worth

as for spear vs roar in arena im loving the roar

so its defs viable

[thorn escarp]

But if u stack slam dmg ur slam does 30% crit

[brazen rock]

its not, use slam as a filler for the very rare occasion you have bt on cd and need rage to rampage.

[brazen rock]

ok?

[thorn escarp]

Most of the time ur slams are critting

[brazen rock]

or i can stack bloodcraze for another cshb proc

[thorn escarp]

Yea true

[brazen rock]

30% is not "most of the time" also

[merry valley]

this is what im running

[thorn escarp]

100% fury getting nerfed watch

Lot of pussys crying

[brazen rock]

not running shatter/wrecking is a mistake.

[merry valley]

i use it instead of sidearm

depending on match

[formal falcon]

Yo just to clarify, for pvp purposes only there's no point in upgrading honor gear correct?

[warped warren]

yeah

[brazen rock]

concussive blows > sidearm.

the trick is to not waste points investing into slam when you dont press it over bloodthirst or bloodbath, ever.

[merry valley]

when set bonus drops i will leave slam

till then its a nice filler

[brazen rock]

why are you investing 3 points into a filler ability

[bright flume]

its a nice filler for a class that never needs a filler

[merry valley]

cause the filler hits harder than bloodthirst, so my rotating changes depending if slam is up or not

[bright flume]

xD

[merry valley]

ill hit slam after 2 bb if its up

[brazen rock]

except bloodthirst stacks bloodcraze and can crit to proc cshb

[merry valley]

else i bt

[brazen rock]

also heals you

[wraith hemlock]

i rarely hit slam, always BB / Whirlwind for BG scenarios

[wheat jay]

Funny thing

[merry valley]

because even if i where to use bt instead of slam, unless im full rage to rampage, theres a window i can slam, and besides i dont find appeal on any other talents on main tree to fill that

[wraith hemlock]

two bb + bt will nearly always get me to ramp, if not i press ww for aoe dmg in BGs

[wheat jay]

Warrior pvp community is the most fragile one

See ONE nerf and theyre in shambles

[brazen rock]

ok

[wheat jay]

They cant oneshot, shambles again

[wraith hemlock]

i posted in fury chat but you're missing vicious contempt which is huge BB/BT dmg

[formal falcon]

Possible, but I don't even feel like we're THAT strong. I'm in full pvp gear already and I still get wrecked by paladins, DHs, and warlocks.

[wraith hemlock]

DH/Warlock ahead of us on nerf train.

[wheat jay]

Yep

[wraith hemlock]

even after their nerfs upcoming in patch

[wheat jay]

Id say, fury, dh, lock for the nerf next

Not sure what after that

[merry valley]

feral

[wraith hemlock]

unsure if fury will get hit tbh, might sneak by but that is also my bias :^)

[wheat jay]

Healers i havent seen any that are good to see really

[thorn escarp]

Rouges

[copper hare]

It's actually insane how long I have to hit into an affliction lock even with 150k wrecking throws until he dies with like 20k hps everytime

[wheat jay]

I dont think rogues are that strong rn

[thorn escarp]

Shadowblades hiting for 80k per attack xd

[brazen rock]

rdruid and prevoker are unkillable

[wheat jay]

Iirc sub got nerfed

[wraith hemlock]

ya the sub build with the echoing repairmand or whatever might need tuning

[wheat jay]

Rdruid collapses tho

[copper hare]

I already said it I can't believe why locks have 100k more baseline hp than everyone else, doesnt make sense to me

[wheat jay]

Evoker i dunno

[wraith hemlock]

i roll evokers, i cannot kill rdruid for the life of me w/out some help

[thorn escarp]

Minor nerf to echo what about shadowblades hitting for 80k per attack?

[wheat jay]

Well, will prolly get nerfed too

[bright flume]

dont u just excute when under 35%

[thorn escarp]

Hopefully

[brazen rock]

no

bb/bt hit harder with vicious contempt

[thorn escarp]

Fury exacute sucks dick

[wheat jay]

Funny thing, hunter seems fine

[wraith hemlock]

BB/BT dmg under 35% slaps harder and is up 100% compared to exe window

[thorn escarp]

Dosent even move the targets hp

[wraith hemlock]

fury exe is honestly just rage build

[thorn escarp]

True filler

[bright flume]

sweeet as ty

[thorn escarp]

Xd

[wheat jay]

I expected mm to have some weird oneshot

[wraith hemlock]

i got you, go into BGs with vicious contempt and watch ur BT/BB slap for a LOT

[bright flume]

slam 2.0

[wheat jay]

But there's nothing

[bright flume]

does that mean i dont have to spec into execute there?

[copper hare]

maybe wednesday with new buffs, I see most hunters just playing bm right now

[wraith hemlock]

here is what i use for BGs

[bright flume]

is imp whirlwind viable for arena?

[wheat jay]

Bm kinda cringe ngl

[thorn escarp]

Ur talents are good

[wraith hemlock]

he is missing vicious contempt

[brazen rock]

please

pins

[bright flume]

what do i swap it for is what im asking

[brazen rock]

JUST COPY THE PINNED BUILD

[copper hare]

But I'm really happy if hunter doesn't become the war counter again specially in 2s

[thorn escarp]

Oh shit

[bright flume]

haha

gotcha

[thorn escarp]

U need that that’s the most important talent

[bright flume]

didnt know everyones rocking same build xD

yeh keen to see the difference now

[thorn escarp]

When are they gonna fix battletrance for ani spec?

Needs 6 seconds to proc

[obsidian loom]

which spec is winning out on meta?

arms?

[brazen rock]

fury

[wraith hemlock]

fury 1000%

as always, arms no survivability

[obsidian loom]

funny that

when fury an xpac ago was dogshit

bfa*

[merry valley]

fury saw the light of day few times

[thorn escarp]

Prot is underatted

I’m hitting for 100k shield charge

And 80k shockwave back to back

[merry valley]

arms was stronger till s3 SL

[obsidian loom]

@elfin surge we prot mains now

[left scarab]

is there argument for imp ww over imp execute on pin

[brazen rock]

no

[left scarab]

i never use exe am i doing something wrong

[brazen rock]

it does less than bt/bb

use exe for rage, nothing else

[left scarab]

👌

[thorn escarp]

Prot has the strongest exacute

[bright flume]

so ani build pvp is basically just bloodthirst rampage spam?

[brazen rock]

yes

[thorn escarp]

They buffed it by 30% hits like a truck

[bright flume]

cool

in b4 rsi

rip wrists xD

thanks for the help guys gotta go out for lunch have a good one

[merry valley]

Dreakbreaker 2set not worth on wrist + waist?

[brazen rock]

bloody token set is not active in instanced content.

[merry valley]

👌

[low sparrow]

the demo can turn off there ms

[thorn escarp]

Bugged right

[brazen rock]

i imagine its intended because the 6piece would be busted as shit in RBGs and is useless in arena

[merry valley]

6 set

is necro banner

[thorn escarp]

2 set not working to?

If it’s working in pve but not pvp it’s intended did someone tried it out?

[brazen rock]

the set bonus gets grayed out in instanced content.

[wooden grove]

That set doesn’t work in instanced PvP period

[merry valley]

i imagine we are only intended to use 4 set + boots and maybe helm

[brazen rock]

i dont think we are intended to use it at all.

[thorn escarp]

Neck to right?

[brazen rock]

for instanced pvp.

[thorn escarp]

Crafted neck and feet

[wooden grove]

It is the warmode set for a reason it’s for warmode

[thorn escarp]

Got u

[merry valley]

have no knoledge of neck

but then again im lacking that a lot

but i was sure we only have 2 slots of crafter pvp gear

for plate beeing helm and boots last i heard

[formal falcon]

Is honor being reset at season start?

[copper hare]

No only with expansion start

[formal falcon]

Thanks

[elfin surge]

you have been banished

[merry valley]

If i have Avatar macro'd with Dragon Roar with Titan Torment and Titanic Rage, does Dragon Roar benefit from Avatar damage?

[wooden grove]

Idk test it on a target dummy

Your macro might suck and not work right

[wheat jay]

Didnt you play with tanks some time ago?

[wooden grove]

Don’t @ Mud you filthy surv hunter

[zenith marlin]

hey guys

My pvp gear scales up to 411 when I enter player combat in Warmode world pvp

Is this at all intended?

[merry valley]

yh

[zenith marlin]

And the guy attacking me also scaled up

YO FR?

[merry valley]

ur supposed

to see someone 200hp and think

i can reck him

[sharp meteor]

Yes...?

[merry valley]

then he scales to 400hp

[zenith marlin]

PvE'rs wont fold us in world pvp?

[merry valley]

and u wet urself

[zenith marlin]

Omg I thought I was stuck to 340 ilvl in world pvp 4ever

[sharp meteor]

They never did but no, they won't.

[zenith marlin]

T^T

Ait this expansion works

[ember totem]

Wpvp is so fun rn ngl

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, looking good.

[merry valley]

go get them champ

[zenith marlin]

Lol 2 PvE guys attacked me thought I was gonna get destoryed but I scaled to 370k hp

best way to discover it

[wooden grove]

PvE thinking they can pvp is hilarious to me

They struggle in shit that’ll put me to sleep

All they know is hit key see big number they don’t even know what half the skills do

[merry valley]

fighting for drops

cleaving pve people feels good

[obsidian loom]

spear's not meta?>

interesting

[zenith marlin]

right they will pop all their CDs and chaos bolt themselves for 100k

[wheat jay]

I can @elfin surge whenever i want i got the mud pass

[wooden grove]

Play what you like as long as it has annih RA 😂

[elfin surge]

@elfin surge

[obsidian loom]

mud at mud is dividing by zero

[obsidian loom]

hmm ok

[zenith marlin]

this what I run

works very well in world pvp

[obsidian loom]

why the ww?

[wooden grove]

Cleave I’m guessing

Probably makes farming mobs in the world a lot more efficient too

[viral elbow]

Yall having fun in warrior.? I might swap dk is NOT fun!

[ember totem]

Its freaking amazing

[obtuse musk]

so guardian druid is still stupid broken? def cant kill as fury

[ember totem]

Play prot against them, ez

[obtuse musk]

does that work? what build for prot pvp?

[thorn herald]

Lol do the math

It's a buff even with double op stacks

By like 12%

[thorn escarp]

Sharpen blade and rend nerf what’s up with that

Arms will be the same

F tier

[thorn herald]

who gives a shit about rend

lol

and 5% crit damage

lmao

[mild thunder]

its not just rend damage, its a nerf to sks burst

but yea i think he misunderstood it to be a sharpened blade nerf, not sharpened bladeS... stupid blizz giving them basically the same name

[regal locust]

DK main leveling an alt for a backup since the nerfs. You guys got a guide for fury? Never played warrior before.

[wooden grove]

BgEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKHAAAAAAAAAAAhkgWCQENpJSkENCBJwBQkEQSSSikkEBRaplkAkEAAAAA

Rampage > BB > BB > BT > Rampage > Repeat

go get em tiger

[regal locust]

Simple enough 😂

[wooden grove]

anything else go check out wowhead

[soft zodiac]

What arms build are folks running?

[wooden grove]

fury

[soft zodiac]

no 😦

[wooden grove]

is the arms build

[soft zodiac]

you can't make me

[quick carbon]

u can do fine in bgs as arms dont listen to these bullies bro

[thick reef]

I love your pfp.

[rare ibex]

If I have 200k hp as fury, am I gonna get worked in BGs?

[wooden grove]

BGs wont be as bad as arenas

[quick carbon]

arms is gonna be better than people think

[rare ibex]

I'm going arms when SS is out

Idk

I think it will be the play

[quick carbon]

it probably wont be but its what ima play

cuz its what i find more fun

[soft zodiac]

same 🙂

yo what trinkets should humans use? never pvp'd as human before

[thick reef]

I use Medallion

not sure if other one is worth though

[soft zodiac]

that's what im using now, feels kind of weird that the medallion puts passive on 1.5 min CD tho right?

[sharp meteor]

think of it as 30 second medallion cdr

alternatively there's 2 damage trinkets if you think it'd be fine to only have tsun break every 3 minutes

[mild thunder]

Human is just a bit of a shit choice for warrior - better off with dwarf/DI dwarf, gnome, orc etc

[thick reef]

Human is fine, since our dps portion of the racial is passive

Nothing to stop us from just Rampage > Bloodthirst loops

[mild thunder]

What does that have to do with being human?

[wooden grove]

2% stat buff

no wait its 5% main stat

and 2% secondaries

fuck the 5% is warrior 2% secondaries is human jesus im too stoned for this

[thick reef]

whats looking like the best pvp spec atm?

[merry valley]

lock/sp caster

dh melle

[thick reef]

i mean for warrior

[merry valley]

fury

[thick reef]

do we have a build yet? Sorry trying to get all specs going atm

[merry valley]

check pinned comments

[thick reef]

muds build

[merry valley]

yh

u also have what gear to buy

and also try to experiment with stuff

this is still new

[thick reef]

ohh yea i know

been prot warrioring it up and prot pvp is hella fun

[latent mountain]

just dinged 70

arms or fury for pvp

[lean burrow]

do you hate yourself?

if no, pick fury

[dire carbon]

I just got my third char to 70

[floral cradle]

anyone done the math on bloody token vs honor gear

[dire carbon]

What should I pursuit in my pvp career warr rogue or dh?

[mild thunder]

wdym? its just worse

tier set is not active in instanced pvp

[west silo]

by instanced do you mean just arena or also not active in battlegrounds?

[floral cradle]

are you sure it doesnt?

[wooden grove]

it doesn't work in instanced pvp

anything you queue up for

[floral cradle]

ok ty

[drowsy wasp]

is this healing normal

[severe skiff]

for now

[drowsy wasp]

if aff lock heal that much, no reason we dont

[severe skiff]

fury is going to get nerfed, rightfully so

hopefully lock does too

[drowsy wasp]

nerf after s1 please

[clever mango]

ngl I hope fury gets nerfed to piss in pvp

all the goons that cried for fury to get an MS are the ones that made arms obsolete

throwback to when sharpen blade had a 20 sec cooldown back in legion and blizz said nah that's too OP. fast forward to now and fury essentially has a constant 40% MS