had it crit 3 people for 60k during cooldowns
#pvp
thorn herald
brazen rock
i feel like roar just has to be better though, no?
with the duration and 15% all bleed dmg final
thorn herald
i mean this doesnt really care for bleeds
i take the rend and tclap stuff because of the prot talent to aoe root and during avatar tclap doesnt have a cd
u can try the bleed stuff
let me know how it goes
proven maple
wooden grove
No I believe they are both referring to prot at the current moment
elfin surge
this is an anti prot chat
sly walrus
this is an anti pin chat
thick reef
Y'all nerds
hard hound
this is an anti prot chat
Only troma is allowed
elfin surge
troma on thin ice tho
queen nexus
do we have a good Arms PvP example talent build?
lean burrow
i tried fury build
i hate how good it is
40-50k dps on a single dummy or something
arms meanwhile is like 20k
full quiver
nothing mud posts should ever be pinned
rich sundial
ok boys, i know its pretty rare thing, but i will most likely be tanking in our RBG group (mostly fun times thing), im assuming no one knows, but for RBG PVP should i go haste/vers or smth else? If there are any talents they might help too
thorn herald
this is an anti prot chat
fuck off with ur paladin assmog
lean burrow
/castsequence storm bolt, bloodthirst, recklessness, avatar, rampage, thunder roar, rampage, odyn's fury, rampage, bloodthirst, bloodthirst, rampage, bloodthirst, bloodthirst, rampage
spice hornet
/castsequence storm bolt, bloodthirst, recklessness, avatar, rampage, thunder ro...
Furry 1 shot macro?
lean burrow
where's that copypasta
can someone pro make me a macro please i need help with warrior
something like this plz
/castsequence reset=20 Kidney shot, Garrote, Rupture, Blood Fury, Shiv, Vendetta, Sepsis, Vanish, Fan of Knives, Envenom, Multilate, Envenom
but i need one for furry or arms plz n ty
thorn herald
https://i.gyazo.com/4bbcceaae229927c7c22cb9ccf2d4cea.png
yeah ill have fun as an idiot with a shield til they remember to flick holinkas nipples and have him revert some pvp nerfs to arms
steep inlet
said it here for months
99% of channel gave me shit for it
the 1% left trusted
like in SL for venthyr crit s1 etc
tribal wedge
og troma believer
steep inlet
👍
vital cedar
yo am i missing something here? 1 star and 3star enchant are the same?
muted surge
Look at my shiny rings
vital cedar
well the 1star is definitely doing 64 at least and cost 5g each so i'll take it
thorn herald
its never worth it unless ur trying to get r1 or parse
vital cedar
50k for me but i thought the AH was global now?
long mirage
50k for me but i thought the AH was global now?
materials are region wide
brazen rock
havent checked in a few days
vestal quail
So what like leave 3* for conq gear or you think the difference is meaningful for the start of the season?
scarlet barn
99% of channel gave me shit for it
I would argue half of those were people that dont want tanks in pvp
So giving you shit for promoting tank is somewhat justified
thorn herald
just dumb
queen nexus
yo am i missing something here? 1 star and 3star enchant are the same?
i tested it out yesterday, you get more stats from higher ilvl, but it doesnt show on the AH
thorn herald
like
why does seeing red basically do what arms entire spec is built on
but it does it so much better
sly walrus
queen nexus
does anyone have a proper Arms PvP build?
slender talon
if anyone on eu-draenor has mats for the 424 plate cc reduction feet I have the plan so send to "nodders" if want some
steep inlet
I would argue half of those were people that dont want tanks in pvp
thing is prot isnt a conventionnal tank
more like a 3rd dps spec atm
scarlet barn
the difference between alliance and horde in bgs right now
Wdym
tribal wedge
a lot of orc abuser swapped imo ?
steep inlet
yep
delicate bronze
Go cow
vocal vector
hi
hazy pendant
Where are these 100k Echoing Reprimand coming from? 🤢
surreal zephyr
Ah yes, the trend of Sub being stupid whenever it’s allowed to have burst continues
spice hornet
Where are these 100k Echoing Reprimand coming from? 🤢
They need this
hazy pendant
I first thought this expact looked better for pvp but still a one shot face roll meta 😦
spice hornet
Rather that over bfa damp snore fest
hazy pendant
only played in the last season of BfA with corruption
copper hare
the good old 120k non crit wrecking throw
btw guys if you have time, you should farm that ring at Cobalt Assembly in azure span https://gyazo.com/e7b93ffb53fb11fa5e57a34d6bb9bf6f
crits for 50-60k on players
brazen rock
doesnt it only proc on spells?
wooden grove
idk it might work on abilities too
brazen rock
I read that its not, so its useless for most melee
wooden grove
they really need accurate tool tips
full quiver
https://gyazo.com/93b988988192d084b4438cf2d81c715c
The healing one is better I think
Heals an insane amount
wooden grove
Your healing spells have a chance to mend your ally with arcane magic, restoring an additional 38339 health. Only one Assembly Ring of Power can be worn at a time.
does that really proc for warriors
copper hare
I have the absorb one aswell, but randomly dps ring can literally hit people for 50k two times in a row, insane. It didnt proc at all for the first 2 days of release. Then they fixed it and since then it procs like a maniac
wooden grove
oh the absorb one
brazen rock
absorb one is 2ppm
wooden grove
absorb one probably better for arms kekw
full quiver
I'm sure they'll both get hammered with nerfs in pvp
copper hare
yes this is nice aswell. But kinda usless in bgs when you're geared and rolling over people already
brazen rock
Your healing spells have a chance to mend your ally with arcane magic, restoring...
is bloodthirst a healing spell
wooden grove
is bloodthirst a healing spell <:keks:936231610850897992>
IMAGINE
copper hare
I'm sure they'll both get hammered with nerfs in pvp
also in pve, they proc way too often
at this rate they would be better than 500 ilvl rings
main urchin
Is Arms still the way to go or is Fury a thing right now? Just kind of muddled my way through getting my pvp set and now am starting to actually think about refining shit.
main urchin
Heh
copper hare
I'm sure they'll both get hammered with nerfs in pvp
gonna try the absorb one for a few games now and see
wooden grove
btw guys if you have time, you should farm that ring at Cobalt Assembly in azure...
looks like they might've nerfed the farm
copper hare
thats possible yeah, I farmed it in 25 min on both characters second day
wooden grove
not sure how big of an effect it actually has
wooden grove
jesus why are you on Discord go level
vital cedar
we farmed it after the hotfix and it took us an hour or two. there were millions of people around tho
wooden grove
yeah fuck it why start season with full honor gear 😛
void pulsar
Do I use slam with annhilator?
wooden grove
Do I use slam with annhilator?
if you have RA you shouldn't need to
but if you dont have anything to hit i guess you can hit slam
wheat jay
Yo wheres your dmg guys?
vital cedar
very rarely. usually only when you first start attacking something or dont have quite enough rage for rampage after 3 BTs
vital cedar
we're not tank druid levels i guess
copper hare
Do I use slam with annhilator?
Like as soon as you have some gear/haste you pretty much never press anything but 3 BT in a row
wooden grove
rampage > BB > BB > BT > Rampage > BB > BB > BT > Rampage
copper hare
what I really hate about slaughterhouse is the weird interaction with other ms effects and that everything overwrites it
full quiver
i'll have the full honor gear by 12th lol
copper hare
thats kinda annoying ngl
wheat jay
i'll have the full honor gear by 12th lol
I'm almost full after like 6h above 70 xD
full quiver
Like as soon as you have some gear/haste you pretty much never press anything bu...
What a fun and interesting rotation
graceful ginkgo
What I really hate about Slaughterhouse is its existence
wheat jay
Maybe less even
full quiver
nice
i've just been doing skirms while leveling
so i should have half pieces or more by 70
copper hare
What a fun and interesting rotation
eh sometimes you press rampage aswell xd
brazen rock
yeah this ring is stupid @copper hare
wooden grove
lmao
brazen rock
100% nerfed first week of s1
full quiver
i can't stand frost dk either
it's like the same rotation as fury
1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
atleast the go is a little more involved
wooden grove
frost strike > oblit > rime > oblit > repeat lmao
full quiver
i've only played slands
copper hare
You think they will touch will of the necropolis at all in the first season xd
brazen rock
doubt
main urchin
Are pvp weapons unique? Going to play around with Fury, figuring out the best option for #2.
wooden grove
huh
copper hare
nah you can buy the haste vers 2x
main urchin
Thanks
wooden grove
oh shit im too high for that question
main urchin
lol
short hearth
yo what stats for fury pvp?
full quiver
i could see it being halved ni pvp
copper hare
dks flop like nothing in bgs, then they hit 30% and the hp doesnt move at all
void pulsar
What would be a good alt to fury warrior?
full quiver
yeah that'd be the problem lol
wooden grove
What would be a good alt to fury warrior?
another fury warrior
void pulsar
Lmao
full quiver
you're either a tank or you flop like shadowlands to physical dam
void pulsar
Don't tempt me
wooden grove
DK is a pretty good warrior alt imo and both frost/unh are in a decent spot rn
its SUPER wheelchair though
wheat jay
Survi
void pulsar
Yeah I just hit 70 on my dk
full quiver
never had more fun than uhdk right now
wheat jay
So you sometimes have to use your brain after playing fury whole day
full quiver
idk how you describe survival sounds like they made it pretty brain dead llol
just spamming mongoose bite
void pulsar
I was kinda considering a caster but then realized I'm melee all day
wooden grove
tbh if you're playing surv you should delete skyhold from your server list
full quiver
kek
full quiver
i don't see how it could be
wooden grove
wheat jay
But the utility is still there
copper hare
I was kinda considering a caster but then realized I'm melee all day
I personally can 100% recommend shaman, both enh and ele are super fun, but also require some brain and they are super squishy rn
but they do busted dam
full quiver
🤔
wooden grove
Surv as a whole is bad for the game
pve, pvp, just standing around capital cities
i'd rather you play tank in arenas
and thats saying something
wheat jay
Lmao
wooden grove
im just messin
wheat jay
Tbh, id rather have tanks than fury warrs in s3
brazen rock
yo what stats for fury pvp?
vers > haste > mast > crit
wheat jay
Denathrius was the best part of the expansion
10/10
Jailer was shit
Btw, what's happening now even
We have raszageth
wooden grove
you mean wannabe thanos
wheat jay
Who's angry
wooden grove
jailer was so whack
wooden grove
Raszageth is just a mad lightning lady
wheat jay
Ye but why tho
wooden grove
i like the simple stuff more tbh
wheat jay
I mean i know why she mad
wooden grove
oh the aspects imprisoned her
wheat jay
But why does she want to remove titan stuff
wooden grove
because it is everything the aspects hold dear
wheat jay
Are we the puritans in this game?
For following titan stuff
Are we the cringe puritans blindly believing titan shit?
wooden grove
we're like little ants running around
wheat jay
Ye but still
sharp meteor
We're insect hobos running around farming mog.
wheat jay
Ye but still
Why titans bad
I know curse of flesh is a lie
Cuz there's same book like there was with denathrius and nathrezim being his minions
Iirc Odin is a prick and we're not Titanic creation changed into flesh by old gods
void pulsar
Shaman sounds fun. I'll think about it. Was considering monk too
wheat jay
So, we're just humans and azeroth is not supposed to be the titan+++ of order?
But disorder or what?
onyx vale
she didnt want to join the aspects in the titan shit cuz she liked it when the world was chaos and shit
wheat jay
Cuz titans are order
wheat jay
So, illidan but wirh small arms?
wheat crane
So, we're just humans and azeroth is not supposed to be the titan+++ of order?
Dont think about it too much, just hit the bench and q up
onyx vale
yes
remote imp
@void pulsar I have a 70 shaman alt and yeah, both ele and enhance are really fun and super bursty
wheat crane
Wouldnt be sick if you benched more pussy
wheat jay
Fuck you
brazen rock
wooden grove
Now THIS is what woyer pvp is all about
brazen rock
really need a gymbro flair
full quiver
don't worry
brazen rock
1k total, verified by timestamped lifts
full quiver
artji has been "going to the gym soon"
onyx vale
she's also discount alakir since she's the wind one
full quiver
for 8 months
onyx vale
i can't wait for discount dragon ragnaros
full quiver
I KNOW U KEEP SAYING THAT
wooden grove
1k total, verified by timestamped lifts
timestamped? fuck that, video or nothing i need to see the range of motion
brazen rock
timestamped? fuck that, video or nothing i need to see the range of motion
thats what i mean
like, video with proof its you
wooden grove
yessssss
orchid pecan
Hello, maybe a dumb question but is there a pvp illusion for this upcoming season?
copper hare
Hello, maybe a dumb question but is there a pvp illusion for this upcoming seaso...
I think so but a couple rewards will be implemented late in the season
they stated that 1 month ago or so
orchid pecan
I think so but a couple rewards will be implemented late in the season
oh sweet ^^ excited
sharp meteor
Hello, maybe a dumb question but is there a pvp illusion for this upcoming seaso...
As Mave says there was a blue post saying they'd add an illusion, tabard and other rewards mid-season.
orchid pecan
oh okay neat, my bad :P
remote imp
Can't wait to see how high I can get my prot spec in solo shuffle because each spec is rated separately. 
tribal wedge
orchid pecan
solo shuffle will be a blast i cant wait
keen obsidian
where can i find pvp talents?
cursive hemlock
pin talents are outdated, no?
wooden grove
no
cursive hemlock
it's lvl 60
wooden grove
BgEAR5QSZgdnGefDo4ho9ZGXKHAAAAAAAAAAAhkgWCQENpJSkENCBJwBQkEQSSSikkEBRaplkAkEAAAAA
from the pins
cursive hemlock
It's fury not arms
cursive hemlock
🤔
void pulsar
Mastery or crit ring?
wooden grove
if you dont wanna go with the current pvp build then just play whatever the fuck you want
christmas tree it
try stuff out
maybe you unlock the secret tech
void pulsar
I'm enjoying myself alot with the pvp build now that I get it
brazen rock
Mastery or crit ring?
mast
void pulsar
Figured just wanted to be sure
limber wagon
is there no set bonus for honor gear? or do I need to upgrade it more ?
limber wagon
drakebreaker is dope , and free
copper hare
thats like the best pvp gearing we ever had in this game or
limber wagon
i cant find any info on the crafted pvp items that give 5% cc reduction either
copper hare
what comes even close, WoD maybe
lean burrow
btw, is charge bugged?
I noticed when you charge someone, they become rooted only when you arrive at their position
copper hare
charge is not bugged, but warbringer is kinda. Warbringer basically removes the charge root and only hits when you arrive yeah
it was snappier in SL
something broke it in DF, idk
copper hare
dont expect a fix for that until s4 lol
spice hornet
Knew something felt off about warbringer
wheat jay
i think in BG its disabled too
Even better
ember totem
yea the wpvp set is really cool, missing like 3 pieces 😄
copper hare
where is horde mercenary recruiter?
oribos is the only one
sterile niche
brazen rock
it rotates between which faction is the most overpopulated.
crude bane
TR instead of bastion crit damage ?
amber harness
TR instead of bastion crit damage ?
simmed it. its worse
maybe for a single burst window a little bit higher but overall like 3k dps behind
copper hare
dont go for sims in pvp
spear will be a thing in arena for sure, but for bgs and cleave for sure roar
amber harness
wdym mean for sure roar
crude bane
same for meat cleave in solo shuffle its a must have
amber harness
for sure for some padding
nothing gets you more pressure than spear + elysian might
copper hare
idk if you realise but spear is so much worse than in SL
crude bane
me ?
brazen rock
idk if you realise but spear is so much worse than in SL
how so?
copper hare
it does physical dmg now, only lasts 6 seconds and only gives 15% crit damage
crude bane
dude
cinder vapor
does the item upgrade not push honor gear past 411?
brazen rock
it does physical dmg now, only lasts 6 seconds and only gives 15% crit damage
it ignores cloak of shadows and DK ams now though
copper hare
ams had nothing to do with it, they can still just walk out with deaths advance
brazen rock
ah true
copper hare
and they have 2 stacks of deaths advance now baseline
brazen rock
still, rogues
crude bane
they Shs outside
brazen rock
ill still go spear in arena
brazen rock
wont be happy about it
copper hare
here is the thing, going roar is not only roar dmg, it's also 15% more odyns fury, cold steel dmg and 15% more leech from cold steel
sharp meteor
roar seems better unless maybe you know spear will sit
too many specs have an out
spear fun in bgs tho
pin like 5 people
sharp meteor
oh, is it still
noble stream
while spear just has its crit damage bonus reduced to 15% instead of 25%
copper hare
and less duration
they added a mercenary npc to valdrakken, to the right of upgrade npc
proud bobcat
Can someone send me a prot pvp build? I've been trying to find one but don't see any
wooden grove
well at least you aren't surv
lean burrow
how do people have 400+k hp in bgs?
tribal wedge
full stuff honor
lean burrow
I saw a lock running around with 440k hp
thick reef
yeah, they are always chunkier than us
wooden grove
I saw a lock running around with 440k hp
yeah that's just locks
thick reef
but we have Rampage.exe
wooden grove
if there's a lock make sure you bring shattering throw lmao
or the other throw i always mix em up
thick reef
I mean, we have Shattering & Slaughterhouse
wooden grove
lock is the shorter cd one
thick reef
yeah
elfin surge
424 crafted gear
thick reef
Slaughterhouse is also fucking cracked against self-heal
lean burrow
slaugtherhouse works on lock's dark pact, right?
elfin surge
slaugtherhouse works on lock's dark pact, right?
no
thick reef
healing only
elfin surge
wrecking throw that shit bro
elfin surge
but heal reduction works on shit like priest's absorbs
it does not
dampening is the only type that does
sharp meteor
but heal reduction works on shit like priest's absorbs
no
lean burrow
wooden grove
imagine how strong MS effects would be
only warrior gets one and lets let it do absorbs too
sharp meteor
shattering feels so meme with the cast time
wreck knocking off blazing barrier or pact is so good
stuck mulch
while spear just has its crit damage bonus reduced to 15% instead of 25%
you feel spear is beter than roar?
wooden grove
tbh i feel like it's personal pref rn
thick reef
yeah, spear to lockdown certain classes
thick reef
not if I Storm Bolt
sharp meteor
i mean they sit bolt regardless
elfin surge
*not if I Storm Bolt*
no
sharp meteor
they break out a second after
elfin surge
i can leap bug myself out of a spear
sharp meteor
piercing better lockout than spear
elfin surge
monks can port bug themself
wooden grove
i love seeing people whiff their spear
thick reef
is spear really bugged?
sharp meteor
enh could even feral lunge out
elfin surge
mages can blink bug out of spear
thick reef
you keep saying bug
wooden grove
yeah it's spear lmao
elfin surge
use a mobility type spell the second u get gripped by spear
lean burrow
i can leap bug myself out of a spear
what's that advanced technique?
sharp meteor
teleports break it
elfin surge
just bugs u out
lean burrow
i see
sharp meteor
so if they trigger pull then blink it doesn't pull again
thick reef
ah
wooden grove
pretty sure most if not all of those bugs work on vortex too
wooden grove
i might be too high tbh
sharp meteor
hell locks have a macro to trinket port when spear is mid air to dodge it entirely
cos it has a delay
and the wekauara goes honk honk spear
wooden grove
proper chess moves
elfin surge
if you fear a warlock mid gate it stops them mid air and puts gate on cd
if u didnt know
elfin surge
i give all the hidden tech
lime fossil
is warr stronger than dk?
lime fossil
ty
sharp meteor
is warr stronger than dk?
Nope.
sharp meteor
Nerf or two to DK durability aren't outside the realm of possibility tho.
brazen rock
sharp meteor
Idk if they can die to casters
brazen rock
Nerf or two to DK durability aren't outside the realm of possibility tho.
its just will of the necrop thats absurd
sharp meteor
Yer.
brazen rock
is tsg the go-to comp?
brazen rock
was considering ret and feral to play with
brazen rock
they do, i just assume theyve all been awful though
elfin surge
ret war was the go to fotm comp for all of shadowlands
a comp i would also try to avoid
so im happy if its gone
elfin surge
us A tier fury warriors prob better off playing with one of the S tier melee
enh good but not S tier
stuck mulch
war/DH
undone pumice
batman cleave kitty and tsg all good then yh?
elfin surge
unga bunga do dam
compact heron
raw summit
elfin surge
rerolled already ?
raw summit
i leveled it first cuz its faster and fun in m+
now just gettin it honor gear just in case
mainly for conq wep for rai
d
elfin surge
d
copper hare
i can leap bug myself out of a spear
Yep, I started seeing that at a certain rating in SL, any high rated player knows to to blink, port or step out shortly after the tether, so dumb
severe skiff
god damn how did they manage to make execute feel SO BAD to press for arms warrior, feels like I'm just spamming slam when I get to execute range
wheat crane
Think kitty will be decent?
brazen rock
yup
sharp meteor
Yes.
subtle elbow
@elfin surge i know fury is objectively better in pvp but you still got a tree for arms?
vocal root
Same boat I just love the Arms kit hoping for something to use
pinned a build
sharp meteor
why arms isn't pvp spec
full axle
Has anyone tried using skullsplitter in pvp with tide of blood talent? And any success?
delicate bronze
👍
thorn escarp
i did rip a 78k ms into pikaboo a few games ago
It took you 3 days to get that number meanwhile some classes do that every minute #buffarms
thorn herald
It took you 3 days to get that number meanwhile some classes do that every minut...
i have been hitting that or around it for awhile
i completely agree that most of the pvp nerfs are ridic rn on arms
lime fossil
if war is worse than dk why do they do so much more in bgs
thorn escarp
And make ms 50%
thorn escarp
if war is worse than dk why do they do so much more in bgs
It is worse
Did you see how tanky they are
thorn escarp
Frost and unholy
lime fossil
i just see warrs doing 22m damage when dks do around 16m
thorn escarp
As fury u get trained 24/7 which kinda sucks
I’m talking arenas
How’s dh btw guys still s tier?
brazen rock
How’s dh btw guys still s tier?
yes
thorn herald
i play rogue and warr heals are worse than dk tankiness imo
lol
thorn escarp
I think blizz are gonna balance classes over solo shuffle
That’s there main prioritiy
thorn herald
rogue players have the worst takes
lime fossil
well i played it for 10 years so
copper hare
Arms
Fueled by Violence now heals for 85% of the damage done by Deep Wounds (was 65%).
brazen rock
Will of the Necropolis damage reduction reduced by 50% in PvP in combat.
well
that was quick
Abomination Limb will no longer pull individual enemy players more than once over its duration (was every 4 seconds).
oh my fucking god, praise
copper hare
These tuning changes for war get more and more ridiculous every week
copper hare
oh my fucking god, praise
The dk nerfs are actually heavy damn
brazen rock
heavy heavy
imagine being Dk getting that treatment when DH exists
10% hunt nerf lmao
sharp meteor
oh my god dks blown away
thorn escarp
Will of the Necropolis damage reduction reduced by 50% in PvP in combat.
I lvled my dk for that talent only rip
Trash blizz fuck them
copper hare
Dh will get a big pve nerf soon, which will carry over into pvp aswell, everyone expects that currently.
brazen rock
ofc, they could get slapped with a 15% aura nerf and still be A+ in pve
icy spruce
Wait mage buff? Oh lordie
thorn herald
Arms
Mortal Strike’s damage is no longer reduced by 30% in PvP combat.
Sharpened Blades now increases critical strike damage by 5% (was 10%) in PvP combat.
Martial Prowess now increases Mortal Strike’s damage by 15% per stack (was 30%) in PvP combat.
Execute damage increased by 20% in PvP combat (Arms only).
Rend damage reduced by 15% in PvP combat (Arms only).
Developers’ notes: We’re looking to increase Mortal Strike’s consistent damage while keeping its burst potential in line through targeted adjustments to its modifiers. We’re also reducing Rend’s damage in PvP as Skullsplitter has been a culprit for one-shots.
brazen rock
arms still flops but stuffs happening
severe skiff
How did DH manage to stay off the pvp adjustment section lol?
thorn herald
didnt it get nerfed in the general adjustment
delicate bronze
barely
thorn herald
The Hunt damage reduced by 10%.
Fodder to the Flame proc rate no longer scales with Haste.
idk
fodder was a big nerf
brazen rock
its nothing
delicate bronze
where glaive throw nerf and the rest
brazen rock
glaive throw isnt a problem anymore.
severe skiff
fodder is big, it's the reason they spam proc demons occas
warped skiff
crit or haste for arms pvp?
thorn herald
they nerfed sharpen by 5% and rend
thorn escarp
And sharpen
severe skiff
they buffed base MS and nerfed the amps to keep it from doing retarded damage
thorn herald
who cares about rend
thorn escarp
What about the other nerfs?
thorn herald
the overpower change was a nerf but it ends up being a buff to our damage with MS base damage being higher
thorn escarp
Still not enough fury rips arms into pieces
thorn herald
i dont care about rend i stopped talenting it
this is a buff to unhinged as well, and makes exhilarting blows so much better
and the random 20% execute boost
elfin surge
arms still f tier
lunar stump
arms still f tier
we still using rend after rend nerf?
thorn escarp
arms still f tier
They nerfed op ms stack from 30% to 15% xd!
Still f tier and sucks
thorn herald
literally fucking nothing to DH
nah fodder got a big nerf
which is a big nerf to their survivability
brazen rock
am i misunderstanding how haste affected it?
was it just a % buff to the ppm?
well just
severe skiff
Depending on how the modifiers interact with the base damage, our base MS is going ot be as strong as current 1 stack MS, our 1 stack MS will be 15% stronger and our 2 stack ms are going to come out about the same as current 2 stack MS
until you factor in sharpened nerfs meaning our crits wil be lower
craggy socket
I mean its a weak nerf to the most OP braindead shit
DK got fucking decimated
warlocks are gonna be king
copper hare
I still don't understand the reason for locks to have 100k more hp than every other class in this game
Doesnt make any sense to me
thorn escarp
Depending on how the modifiers interact with the base damage, our base MS is goi...
So they basically did something dumb right
They tried to buff arms but they nerfed it
thorn herald
its a nete buff
severe skiff
Its a sustained buff
burst about the same, slightly lower due to crit dmg nerf on sharpened blades
thorn escarp
Yep
severe skiff
well higher because execute will hit much harder
its a nerf to the talent, the one that increases MS crit damage
thorn herald
but it also buffs unhinged, battlelord and EBlows
thorn escarp
Still f tier
craggy socket
Big buffs let’s go
thorn herald
anyway unhinged basically doubles the damage of a bladestorm now
thorn escarp
Yea true
safe violet
anyone have a arms pvp guide for talents yet?
severe skiff
one thing to consider is we kind of SWIM in martial prowess buffs, idk if I agree with them halving that
thorn herald
Eblows is a lot more value because it basically got a 30% damage buff, and same with blord
thorn escarp
Arms needed a flat buff not nerfs with buffs
thorn escarp
The sharpen nerf is huge to
What are they thinking!
Meanwhile rouges got 30% baseline buffs
thorn herald
i mean the math shows it wasnt a huge change if they left the extra 30%
thorn escarp
With no nerfs
severe skiff
honestly if they unnerfed deep wounds in pvp and changed seasoned soldier to all damage 10% instead of just AoE
it would help a lot
change Dstance to ignore pain on the arm tree at least
thorn escarp
Yea true
thorn herald
just give ignore pain back and change ignore pain to devestate in the prot tree
severe skiff
surprised they didn't touch bloodthirst healing lol
thorn escarp
Still not enough
brazen rock
surprised they didn't touch bloodthirst healing lol
sshhh
brazen rock
let me enjoy running over warlocks for as long as i can
warped skiff
anyone know stat prio fo arms pvp?
severe skiff
a proper nerf
thorn escarp
Ik
thorn herald
they needed it
thorn escarp
That much tho?
thorn herald
were you not around when 5-6 people were slapping dks who just death striked through it
severe skiff
they could literally self sustain themselves vs any level of damage
thorn herald
its insane
craggy socket
We’re finalizing additional tuning, and we will continue to keep an eye on class balance over the next week, as we have additional adjustments planned for the week of December 13 (the beginning of Season 1).
Dont be so sure lol nobody is safe
thorn escarp
They can’t counter exacute noW with the necro nerf xd! Rip dks
severe skiff
just nice to see some widespread tuning finally
severe skiff
hopefully
severe skiff
fury as a whole isn't broken, its self sustain is tho
icy spruce
Nerfs**
thorn escarp
Tmrw no dks are gonna log xd
brazen rock
shame i was stoked to play tsg with a hpal running melee build
severe skiff
Not going to make them unplayable at all lol
frost and unholy still really strong specs
bright stream
Tmrw no dks are gonna log xd
DK main since Pandalands, seen this shit 3 times now - first 5 days of an expac into the ground. Didn't even bother leveling it for Dragonlands
severe skiff
I'm convinced they have no clue how to fix DH dodge bug and are just pretending it doesn't exist at this point, is no way they aren't aware by now
wheat crane
Just unnerf d stance and well all be happy
copper hare
But only unnerf d stance for fury, arms already broken enough
wheat crane
I just want us all to have nice things, and hit our max benches
patent meteor
Arms is kinda meh though?
spice hornet
Fodder to the Flame proc rate no longer scales with Haste.
I knew that sht was procing way more frequently in s4
severe skiff
They really need to put bleeds back on bitter immunity if its going to be a 3min cd
spice hornet
Yeah it’s so ass
stone minnow
can't upgrade pvp gear past 353?
rare sentinel
wheat crane
It gets uncapped at the start of the season
But doesn't change pvp ilv
Its so the pve shitters dont have to pvp
severe skiff
it's like 356 at 5/5 for honor gear, in pve, its lower than the 366 warmode gear in pve
severe skiff
or 360 or something
severe skiff
oh 366 right in that screenshot lol, oh well
weary sky
Do you guys use improved whirl for pvp? For bgs maybe?
severe skiff
I mean you can use it to spread slaughterhouse/cold steel bleeds but when set bonus comes into play you'll prob be locked into the execute talent
severe skiff
honor gear is always going to be 5/5, was on beta
right now they capped it at 3/5 max
conquest gear will have 8/9 ranks again tho
brazen rock
Ohhh its capped at 3/5, ok
I thought it was capped at 5/5 and we were getting more at season
craggy socket
It’s only for pve world upgrade
brazen rock
yee i know
brazen rock
i still cbf swapping gear to go do world quests
barren tendon
What's the DH dodge bug?
severe skiff
50% blurr actually gives them like 90% dodge chance
drowsy wasp
is arms playable after buff?
sage raptor
It changed absolutely nothing
drowsy wasp
lets hope fury stay untouched
drowsy wasp
eww
severe skiff
Is actually zero % chance bloodthirst doesn't get touched, a maybe if cold steel bleed leech gets nerfed
Given the current list of nerfs I suspect bloodthirst will go from 3% to 1.5%
sage raptor
50% effectiveness in pvp
drowsy wasp
we need self-heal cuz our dmg sucks
fringe spruce
burnt glen
fury warror stats are vers>haste>mastery right?
hardy dragon
yes
daring sedge
pvp might be fun atm if dh wasnt busted
kinda hard to warrior when theres 4 dh around you every fight
havent seen a bg team yet with less than 3 of them
brazen rock
pvp still fun
premading with my buddy playing melee hpal
absolute chadmongering around BGs slapping everything
warped skiff
Whats the stat prio for arms warrior pvp rn?
daring sedge
vers/crit
winter swan
is crit actually okay in pvp now? so its not haste/versa?
severe skiff
Honestly don't think arms is going to be stacking anything and will prob run a balanced build, tier set forces crit/mastery onto us pretty heavily and they aren't terrible stats to have
doubt arms will be playing 20-25%+ haste builds this tier at least
wet scarab
has anyone had success with any arms builds?
wet scarab
wdym I enjoyed the 210k the hunt crit earlier on a random bg
sharp meteor
is crit actually okay in pvp now? so its not haste/versa?
It has been okay/good for arms.
fury unsure
sharp meteor
Remember how fun pvp was before DHs?
10% hunt nerf 😵💫
at least they said more changes soon
sage raptor
I miss when demon hunters were out of the equation entirely is what I mean.
low sparrow
fury prob getting nerfed right or is it safe ya think?
sharp meteor
moderate chance they nerf some aspect of it
thick reef
I'd wager fury gets nerfed. Hopefully not by the dev who fuckin hates dks apparently lol.
sharp meteor
dk changes were somewhat warranted their durability was out of this world
thick reef
True, but they got hammered hard. Don't want to see that kind of nerfing ever when it could be gradual over weeks
sharp meteor
mini grip every 4 seconds was kind of nuts
uneven turret
how big is this bufff guys?
green wyvern
Fueled by violence is decent, but probably not good enough
Decent healing especially if you go out of your way to warbreaker a bunch of different pets and shit, alongside your main target
inland heart
any guides for fury pvp atm?
vapid ruin
any guides for fury pvp atm?
I made my own build where i spam blood bath
Playing with storm of blades
Seems to counter the other warrior builds
Alot of self healing especially with the constant triple bloodthirst/bloodbath
And the leech debuff
safe violet
Anyone know best professions for pvp ?
graceful ginkgo
what do you think about the current round of pvp tuning?
sage raptor
mini grip every 4 seconds was kind of nuts
and spear isnt?
sharp meteor
did you level your dk first 
sage raptor
dk isnt actually leveled up yet. leveling my warr first
prot
I missed the point im dumb sorryyy
torn orchid
hey, any1 can give me a arms build idea? also wondering what stats are worth to prio, in my mind i would say crit/vers > haste/vers for the bursty playstyle right?
vestal quail
Can anyone link the crafted honour boots that people are using. I saw a guy in arena with 384 boots of the plansewalker or something that scaled to 424 in arena and reduced incoming cc but I didn’t have time to grab the name of the item
muted surge
Can anyone link the crafted honour boots that people are using. I saw a guy in a...
Go to the crafting order, look at feet plate
vestal quail
Ah ok cool
glossy island
Is there an easy way to,get the crafted pvp gear or do i have to learn bs? And is that helmet proc strong?
formal steppe
what is the stat priority for arms pvp, also lul that there isnt a single updated arms pvp guide
green wyvern
arms is dead
static osprey
is Fury also better for open-world pvp alone? (just casually doing the 25 kills pvp-quest while doing other stuff?
tribal wedge
i think so
wooden grove
That’s when it is especially better
Fury has really good self sustain and arms is a literal piece of paper
fickle forge
Decent healing especially if you go out of your way to warbreaker a bunch of dif...
Pick 
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onyx vale
fatality is ppm, i don't think you'll get more procs with cleave
green wyvern
do we play unhinged now?
onyx vale
mortal strike on cd should give the maximum amount of fatality
green wyvern
raw mortal strike damage gained a lot of value, I assume uhinged is decent now
sly walrus
fatality is ppm, i don't think you'll get more procs with cleave
Very slightly more according to archi not really that worth trying to game
onyx vale
interesting, thanks for the info, maybe it is worth something in pvp then
since you don't have 100% uptime
still anecdotal ofc
fickle forge
Obviously it's to spread Fatality onto others smh
hot solstice
At least they do fixes...maybe should give them more time
lean burrow
green wyvern
will arms' 10% avoidance work in pvp?
I don't know if that stat even functions inside arena
undone pumice
it sorta kinda does
youll take a little leas dmg from frost mage blizzards n shizz afaik
lean island
How about dh nerf? Is enough or still op?
warped warren
not poggers
fickle forge
MS will do beyond insane damage
onyx vale
I mean more damage is nice but it isn't arms' problem
being more fragile than a mage is the problem
tawny river
well they just gutted DK insane survivability finally
and it's not final
- there is another week after december 7th
so we don't know if anything more will come or no
fickle forge
Don't see those notes anywhere though? 🤔
sly walrus
Don't see those notes anywhere though? 🤔
sly walrus
mild thunder
the arms buffs are pretty shit - does nothing to address the lack of utility and defensives, and all the damage buffs are countered with nerfs at the same time
"buffs"
fickle forge
What lol
mild thunder
how do you think MS will hit insanely hard? its an increase to base dam, with an equal decrease to MP