Yes
#pvp
sage raptor
golden knot
playable for sure but please dont queue as or with tanks
why not 😄
raw summit
a lot of people dont enjoy facing them in the slightest
golden knot
yeah its not a guardian druid..
tribal wedge
you invoke him ....
golden knot
THIS is unkillable
golden knot
I just thought that with level 70 we get more offensive abilities and it sounded okay in my head
so gonna try
steep inlet
:)
sage raptor
I find it funny how people say "it's not fun to fight against them" as if I give a flying fuck if you have fun or not lol
tribal wedge
what? you guys have fun playing wow ??????????????????
steep inlet
Nah the most funny thing it’s prot isn’t toxic to fight. Except maybe if you are sub or ww (hard countered)
sage raptor
what? you guys have fun playing wow ??????????????????
Playing prot warr and bdk yeah
steep inlet
y they are
raw summit
the cringest shit i saw in s2 was convoke feral + the prot immunity thing
lemme just stun that pet and then kick feral
nvm dead
steep inlet
Yeah fuck it
And because of thoses fuckers
People think all tanks are toxic
forgetting prot pal is it’s own beast
own category
lucid walrus
I find it funny how people say "it's not fun to fight against them" as if I give...
warlock mindset
tribal wedge
like it was funny to play against warlock and walk all the fuckin game
raw summit
lucid walrus
class was S-tier for 3 years
sage raptor
like it was funny to play against warlock and walk all the fuckin game
I main dk so they've never been an issue for me
And those warlocks have the right idea
warped warren
forgetting prot pal is it’s own beast
cope
steep inlet
?
fickle forge
I already uploaded this in Highmaul, and you replied to it like 3 msgs below it 
Why you reacting here
Smh
undone pumice
wtf is highmaul
fickle forge
It's a raid in WoD dumbo
undone pumice
thanks man!
fickle forge
You're welcome
woven niche
so after recent buffs arms>fury in suffle?
brazen rock
no
merry valley
no way
muted surge
The buffs didn’t do much
brazen rock
and iirc those buffs arent live yet?
merry valley
no matter how much damage arms gets, if they stay as squishy as they are they will keep dying
muted surge
Hey, we heal now more from deep wounds than before!
Gonna fix everything
Well, if you spend an extra talent point
tribal wedge
25% OP damage is huge (if i understood well)
raw summit
only if you spec battlemaster which is meh
muted surge
No it’s nice
But you need to play fatality
And you have to sacrifice other shit for it just to get op buff
That’s my main issue with it
copper hare
bleed is huge with annihilator build
muted surge
Like bleed dmg is good, if you play skull splitter you can also have huge bursts
copper hare
oh, arms
muted surge
Arms is the only spec
copper hare
im blind af
cinder thorn
I'd like players to drop their gear if I kill them in pvp - discuss
merry valley
O.o
bright sluice
random question, is it intended for battle trance not to work on fury when talented into reckless abandon, since rampage makes raging blow into crushing blow. Crushing blow does not activate battle trance.
thorn escarp
random question, is it intended for battle trance not to work on fury when talen...
Yes it’s bugged
Dosent work if u have stacks of crushing blow
bright sluice
@thorn escarp gotcha was in ashran yesterday and it was driving me nuts haha
near delta
random question, is it intended for battle trance not to work on fury when talen...
They fixed that in season 3. Did it get bugged again with the new talent trees?
Cause they also nerfed battle trance to not make it too strong with the bug fix haha
copper hare
They fixed that in season 3. Did it get bugged again with the new talent trees?
it worked with the new trees.. until they changed reckless abandon giving 2 charges xd
classic blizz
thorn escarp
it worked with the new trees.. until they changed reckless abandon giving 2 char...
Yep
They should buff bt and battletrance heal back to 6% like in bfa
copper hare
dont expect a fix until s3 or s4 haha
thorn escarp
Cause they nerfed it in sl because of ip
copper hare
Don't get me wrong, I'm always up for warrior buffs. But fury for sure doesnt need more healing, otherwise it's gonna be omegabroken
enrage regen with the new reckless abandon is probably the strongest def cd in the game
thorn herald
Give ignore pain back to the class as a whole it felt right
full quiver
I already uploaded this in Highmaul, and you replied to it like 3 msgs below it ...
Lies????
wispy cedar
classic scoobz
merry valley
what build u guys think will thrive, Annihilator or RB
copper hare
both are fine, RB for more pressure, annihilator for more survivability/self heal
near delta
both are fine, RB for more pressure, annihilator for more survivability/self hea...
Annihilator feels a lot better personally. Less button mashing
tribal wedge
Less buttons mashing in fury?
copper hare
Annihilator feels a lot better personally. Less button mashing
It's exactly the same though in terms of globals, instead of rb its just bloodthirst
you probably have the feeling cuz of raging blow resets, but in reality it's exactly the same in terms of mashing and apm
copper hare
BT has no cd with reckless abandon
near delta
It's exactly the same though in terms of globals, instead of rb its just bloodth...
Is it? Cause bt is much more likely to be one CD then raging blow is in my limited experience
near delta
BT has no cd with reckless abandon
Oh not playing with reckless abandon rn
copper hare
reckless abandon enables the annihilator spec yeah, you can press bloodbath/BT every global
3 BT into rampage pretty much
near delta
What talent build are you running on beta?
I was thinking SMF might actually be good?
copper hare
Wait I login
copper hare
What talent build are you running on beta?
copper hare
I was thinking SMF might actually be good?
havent really looked into smf
I take spear most of the time instead of roar though obv
drowsy wasp
Is arms more playable now?
raw summit
havent really looked into smf
damage loss
like from a pure dps perspective thats 10% ur just givin away for no reason
copper hare
damage loss
yeah and I don't see where to give up 2 points for smf, it's also less healing cuz every heal is based on hp and annihilator is mainly played cuz of survivability right
raw summit
do you even need to go down furthe
so like this you have 2 more points to spend
which would prolly be ashen juggernaut and something
near delta
yeah and I don't see where to give up 2 points for smf, it's also less healing c...
Yeah looking at that there really isn't room
I think you'd really want improved whirlwind at least
And ashen should be super strong with tier
raw summit
pure guessing here
copper hare
yeah I also really like improved whirlwind tbh, specially for putting up harmstring
meat cleaver would even be good vs melee cleaves and demo locks prolly
raw summit
yea it should be
merry valley
im thinking of running a mostly rb build but still keeping def experience for times where i get tunneled
clear wharf
i really haste how they masde everty warrior attack have effects
look lioke a fkn gummi bear when we attack
clear wharf
is there a thingwhere i can do that?
i feel like i dd it once and forot the setting lol
(ive bee na sucumy healker for tooo long)
merry valley
What effects are we talking about?
muted surge
Bladestorm :<
copper hare
dont worry, they gonna adjust fire breath/ele blast/lightning bolt dmg
by at least season 3 
wooden grove
Imagine having PvP specific devs and then chasing them out of the community with toxicity
sharp meteor
honestly hp buffs and them in general being encouraged to slow down the game seems really good for fury
ooga booga pve statcheck spec that is vulnerable to getting blown up loves when nobody can blow them up
steep granite
hello, does fury ever need to use whirlind in pvp?
and if yes, in which situation? cause it seems like if you are cleaving the global is not worth using
merry valley
into melle cleaves i find titanic rage is enought during burst
still taking meat cleave would help with extended that aoe window
lean burrow
and if yes, in which situation? cause it seems like if you are cleaving the glob...
ww+hamstring to slow down everyone
steep granite
but are these worth it compared to just going ham on 1 guy?
lean burrow
if you want to slow several people I guess
undone pumice
if you want to slow several people I guess
piercing howl
lean burrow
i'm gonna miss 20 sec cd on it
copper hare
petition to get harmstring off gcd again
drowsy wasp
Anyone tried prot pvp?
steep inlet
yup
elfin surge
scooberz is a partywaffles fan and is rerolling dk
full quiver
Their avg game time is 10 mins
Rerolled 😎
Rather play dk than swap arms to prot like u smh
cloud oak
What race should I be for dragonflight?
full quiver
I like gnome
sage raptor
What race should I be for dragonflight?
If every match has an evoker, probably undead.
sharp meteor
What race should I be for dragonflight?
the one u like the look of
wheat jay
Rather play dk than swap arms to prot like u smh
Not like you ever mained warr
You just play whatever is fotm
full quiver
I would've mained war if Bliz didn't make playing arms cancer
novel basalt
will honor gear be available on launch?
Or should we be rocking our ssn4 gear until season starts
thorn herald
will honor gear be available on launch?
honor gear and wpvp gear will be avail
full quiver
Tell me the times you mained arms
I've played more arms then all other class3s combined
Wait not true didn't realize I have so many feral games
wheat jay
I've played more arms then all other class3s combined
Cuz it was fotm s1 and s2 xD
Meaning my point still stands
wheat jay
Ahh yes, so you were true arms main for one season, when it was busted
I know how often you changed comps and specs you play
You're 100% fotm dude
steep inlet
😄
copper hare
You're 100% fotm dude
what exactly is negative about that
I would also be way better when I would stick to one class, but I rather enjoy playing more specs and I also love to play whatever is well tuned and fun
I don't see a problem with it
wheat jay
what exactly is negative about that
Did I say its bad?
elfin surge
Did I say its bad?
ur bad
sage raptor
what exactly is negative about that
its cringe
full quiver
You don't even play the game artji
thick reef
Imagine tying your identity to a wow spec
copper hare
Idk what that obsession with having a main is
play whatever the fuck you want
except outlaw or prot pala obv
then you're cringe
wheat jay
Idk what that obsession with having a main is
Ahhhh let me explain
Its scoob
And im trolling scoob
And he's trolling me
Friendly banter at its best 
copper hare
yeah I mean in general anyways, all good
wheat jay
In general i dont care about mains and shit
copper hare
Btw, I think second week of the season is arathi comp stomp, so no reason to rush your alt gearing
wheat jay
That's so good to hear lol
near delta
Btw, I think second week of the season is arathi comp stomp, so no reason to rus...
That's incredible timing
copper hare
let's hope honor gear is not gated for whatever reason like with SL start
fickle forge
Idk what that obsession with having a main is
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.
wheat jay
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the la...
Cringe
Play the better spec for once my dude
I at least expect you to play fury if arms ends up being SUPER troll
copper hare
he clearly can't deal with the complex fury rotation
novel basalt
honor gear and wpvp gear will be avail
Is there a link or official posting on it?
copper hare
I read about wpvp gear being available, but honor gear was only available with start of the season in SL, or? And on top of that it was bound to renown lol
novel basalt
where thooo
copper hare
frank knoll
Idk what that obsession with having a main is
Agree. I can’t stick to playing one character for longer than like a month. Then I get bored
thorn herald
I read about wpvp gear being available, but honor gear was only available with s...
Honor gear is the same as heroic gear. Why would we not be able to get gear while they can do heroics
novel basalt
I just wish they posted a timeline of what will be available lol
because that bloody token gear is limited to world quests so u can event farm it indefinitely
thorn herald
because that bloody token gear is limited to world quests so u can event farm it...
Really depends on how many pvp wqs there are
full quiver
tribal wedge
are the set bonus available on beta?
near delta
are the set bonus available on beta?
Yeah there's a tier set vendor in org/sw
tribal wedge
okek thx
thorn herald
Yeah there's a tier set vendor in org/sw
Do we use the pve set bonuses like s4 slands in dflight?
near delta
Do we use the pve set bonuses like s4 slands in dflight?
Yep. It's kind of awkward for some classes with very little vers
thorn herald
Yep. It's kind of awkward for some classes with very little vers
Idk we hit 30%+ real quick might be nice having more secondaries
But it'll be a shame if it's haste
For arms
proven pine
Are there any absurdly strong tier sets for the first season?
The war ones seemed kinda meh at first glance
copper hare
They kept it really mild for the first sets in DF
brazen rock
The arms 2 set means we can get 200% bonus damage on ms
be really funny if they mess something up first week of rated and arms starts 1 shotting people with tier set
tribal wedge
200% of like 2% Hp is 6% yai
near delta
There could be some crazy build people haven't tried yet with all the talent combis now
tribal wedge
big ms hit 
severe skiff
can crit for 115k on training dummy using 4pc atm, but dummy takes 200% crit damage and pretty sure has less armor than most classes
copper hare
not only armor, also no versa and no pvp modifier
tribal wedge
pvp modifier
thorn herald
can crit for 115k on training dummy using 4pc atm, but dummy takes 200% crit dam...
Idk about armor but we have 195 crit damage from talents
210 with spear
215 from tier
I was crit a sin rogues for 95k (still died) and then a dh for 107k (won that)
With ms
That was without spear because I'm horrible at landing it
copper hare
one quarter of an fire breath/ele blast
severe skiff
It's actually wild what they did to execute, literally does no damage
unless you're in pve with 15 juggernaut stacks
thorn herald
It's actually wild what they did to execute, literally does no damage
Wish they would axe juggernaut and buff the spec some more
Executioners should be 1 stack
Idk how relevant armor is to PvE
tribal wedge
215 from tier
217 if you play a cow! 
severe skiff
pretty sure sub is the only melee with armor reduction so doubt its very impactful or pve mobs just dont have too much of it. though pve tends to include increased damage phases
wheat jay
Idk how relevant armor is to PvE
Just reducing some dmg from physical abilities
Noone except tanks pays attention to it in pve
frank knoll
If it’s Wpvp gear, then there’s gonna be 40man alliance <RUIN> groups camping it
novel basalt
so whats the gearing process look like? Stay with ss4 gear > ding 70 > world pvp quests for token gear > wait till season starts? / or can we farm honor gear imediately
wheat jay
Farm honor cap
copper hare
So.. they implemented this weird korraks revenge thing and deleted unrated solo shuffle instead, is it gone just like that lol?
I thought it was a bug first, but apparently not
novel basalt
whats the meta race now
brazen rock
gnome / dark iron / dwarf / orc
tribal wedge
don't forget the rage gain too
sage raptor
which there will be a lot of
lilac phoenix
anybody having issues with the diminish addon? doesn't seem to work on party frames for me
cinder thorn
For dispel
I remember it used to dispel but I don't think it does anymore did they return it in DF?
thorn herald
so whats the gearing process look like? Stay with ss4 gear > ding 70 > world pvp...
no way in hell youre gonna stay in ssn 4 gear at 70
the stat difference is insane we're going up close to a hundred ilvls leveling alone
rare ibex
Grrrr..... why are evokers hitting for 77k through 46% versa and ilvl 308?
So obnoxious
near delta
I've had an evoker hit me for 110k lol
It won't be as big of a thing when we get bigger health pools in DF
thorn herald
eh they kill u from like 65% or someothing on beta rn
vital breach
Guys how do you think arms will be doing in s1? And is troll good race for arms?
near delta
Guys how do you think arms will be doing in s1? And is troll good race for arms?
Racials really don't matter that much now. Actually, Da Voodoo Shuffle would stack with the 10% reduction on movement impairing effects from offensive stance with the 15% cc trinket bonus for like 40% less duration on every snare and root right?
Actually that'd be 45 I guess
near delta
10 from battle, 20 from troll racial and 15 from trinket bonus
brazen rock
Ah I thought troll was 10, nevermind
gentle roost
So will arms or fury be stronger during season 1? Or is it too early to tell?
sharp meteor
Presumably Fury but subject to change.
Season doesn't start for a while and season doesn't end for a long time.
Early-mid season doesn't matter so it's a decent time to experiment.
delicate bronze
is arms still doo on pvp?
thorn herald
Racials really don't matter that much now. Actually, Da Voodoo Shuffle would sta...
What did I say yesterday
All these race questions about warrior
🤡
sharp meteor
is arms still doo on pvp?
Yes.
noble stream
Racials really don't matter that much now. Actually, Da Voodoo Shuffle would sta...
This stuff doesn't stack
45% reduction would be insane
near delta
Why doesn't it? Hardiness and thr trinket bonus does
I can't imagine the devs ever actually looked at the new offensive stance with the troll racial
Need to test it on beta
sharp meteor
Why doesn't it? Hardiness and thr trinket bonus does
No, Hardiness overwrites the trinket bonus.
near delta
Ah lol
noble stream
the trinket bonus is just relentless
sharp meteor
Orc gets 20% reduced in stun, everybody else gets 15%
lucid walrus
Why doesn't it? Hardiness and thr trinket bonus does
yeah it just coexists
noble stream
same stuff relentless didn't stack still doesn't stack
sharp meteor
Orc sits 15% less everything, but 20% stun
lucid walrus
human is kind of collateral damage to that end right?
got robbed of the rele option niche
near delta
So it'd be 30% less on snares and slows for troll with offensive stance
noble stream
if orcs could get 35% reduced stun duration we would not be having any discussion on which race to pick, buddy
sharp meteor
Human can't play rele any more but medallion cdr is good.
lucid walrus
yeah for sure
near delta
if orcs could get 35% reduced stun duration we would not be having any discussio...
Tru lol
lucid walrus
if orcs could get 35% reduced stun duration we would not be having any discussio...
2.x second cheap
orc sephuz could get it down to sub-3sec 
wish i would've tried that
noble stream
annihilator might just be my favorite build ever
but there's no way we can fit in more globals for the execute procs from the tier set
brazen rock
I mean as long as your having fun 
frank anchor
Anyone got any good Prot PvP builds? Something I've been wanting to attempt
daring wadi
Does anyone have a clue how well Fury warrior and DH might pair together in 3s
sharp meteor
Fury/Havoc plus like a Preservation Evoker or Druid should be a good or excellent time.
spice hornet
is everyone who is left remaining qing really that sweaty trying to use resonators lol
even had a healer priest try it on me
languid agate
Any hope for arms with some buffs later down the season? I tried Fury but it’s not my cup of tea
languid agate
I don’t think the buff is that great? Setup dmg is not what we need. And no survivability. Will see at 70 I guess
Nice try @warped warren but u still stuck with me
tribal wedge
sure, but that better than nothing
languid agate
True, implies they are aware arms underperforms
tribal wedge
but yes we need more def now
muted surge
we got a good buff next reset
“Good”
tribal wedge
at least not bad
warped warren
True, implies they are aware arms underperforms
copper hare
True, implies they are aware arms underperforms
That was m+ tuning though :D
tawny river
tried out arms on beta, maybe not strong but hella fun
with all the crit damage talents, do you guys prio crit after haste?
- tier set needs mortal strike crits aswell to proc
muted surge
Arms is fun, but gets dicked on also on beta
Really hope they give us something before season starts
Otherwise I gotta play prot :<
tawny river
Arms is fun, but gets dicked on also on beta
yeah fun is the #1 prio for me, can't really play my WW anymore
so i will play other melees in DF, probably this revamped pvp gearing will allow that
fickle forge
with all the crit damage talents, do you guys prio crit after haste?
Think you should prio crit first tbh
raw summit
pve
scarlet barn
Yea no one cares about pvp
warped warren
i do 
vocal vector
Are dps comps viable for warr? Friend plays rogue and I wanna play some 2s with him. Am a pvp noob obv
near delta
Are dps comps viable for warr? Friend plays rogue and I wanna play some 2s with ...
Generally it's only really viable with a hybrid like feral, ret, or enhancement shaman. But, it can totally work if you're just trying to play around. Also, fury will have a good bit of self healing with the new bloodthirst build next season.
vocal vector
Generally it's only really viable with a hybrid like feral, ret, or enhancement ...
Makes sense and he just told me he's rolling an evoker so ig im fine :D
near delta
Makes sense and he just told me he's rolling an evoker so ig im fine :D
Lol there ya go
ionic canopy
What is going to be the pvp specc for da?
river walrus
They need to buff some numbers for arms warrior cause the spec seems very weak compared to fury and other melees
weary sky
hey guys, I have been looking at talent build here and murlock io. But does anyone have a guide covering the rotation a bit? Mud mentioned his youtube channel but didnt see a thing
spice hornet
hey guys, I have been looking at talent build here and murlock io. But does anyo...
mud is good for prot advice
agile brook
when does rated arena starts? 2 weeks from release or?
spice hornet
yes
decem 12
i always make the same mistake every expac launch
level to max in the night and then do nothing for 2 weeks
thats when the expac actually comes out
tribal wedge
ride on your dragon 😎
spice hornet
you know WoW is down bad when
muted surge
i always make the same mistake every expac launch
on every release i take 3 days off
and realise that im done after 6hours
its a curse
spice hornet
yeah I had been doing the same
im like why am I taking time off
when there's nothing to do
just need the next day off rlly since i go all night and im tired
tranquil hemlock
Instead this time I took time off for season start
weary sky
human or orc ? i read orc was nerfed and human became redundant but if you had to chose? I have both
tranquil hemlock
Gnome
weary sky
other than that lol?
muted surge
vulpera
undone pumice
orc is still ok
human still good
u can have 2x dng trinket vs stun only
or just a stun only trinket
and then in 30s ur real trinket
undone pumice
normal dwarf is chad
copper hare
level to max in the night and then do nothing for 2 weeks
level 10 more characters then?
wheat jay
That's nice
Imma take my sweet fucking time tho
To read every quest
And enjoy every single second of it
spice hornet
🤯
supposedly a chill first time playthrough will be around 6-10 hours
dungeon spam 6-8 hours but youll need to do the MS so no point
4-5 hours for someone who is tryharding
full quiver
I'm just going to get baked and do what artji said
spice hornet
full quiver
Shadowlands campaign was fun first time
spice hornet
i was getting annoyed with the revendreth quests at the end of that
copper hare
I couldnt deal with shadowlands in the beginning, starting at kyrian zone in the middle of the night made my eyes burn lol
tribal wedge
is tauren 100% troll ? or like 60/70?
wheat jay
Every race is decent now
So you can play whatever really
Or at least the gap between races is very small
Compared to how it was in shadowlands with orc and human being the only two good races
near delta
I hope the zones are pretty
They're gorgeous from the time I spent on the beta at least
tribal wedge
nightborne
spice hornet
if I was ally I would play DI dwarf if I was doing pvp/pve
gnome or NE if I was pvp only
horde idk - I'm doing keys as tank so I'm vulpera since it's BiS M+
full quiver
Yeah thats why you're vulpera 🤡
wooden grove
got em
near delta
rat = diseases
Unholy Vulpera BiS
compact heron
anyone else having issues with thier cancelaura macros? none of my binds for Bladestorm are working since pre-patch
copper hare
can't cancel bladestorm with hurricane
spice hornet
does anyone run into the issue on the kyrian arena map where your keybinds literally disappear
mid combat
sharp meteor
is tauren 100% troll ? or like 60/70?
Nah, both variants of tauren are decent now.
the rele thing is honestly so nice for every race.
rapid pagoda
Anyone else kicking around Dh? I am trying to decide between warrior or Dh, knowing Dh is a bit stronger but I am hearing good things about Fury at 70
brazen rock
Anyone else kicking around Dh? I am trying to decide between warrior or Dh, know...
Get out 
spice hornet
full quiver
🤣
brazen rock
We'll see who's stronger after our 400% aura buff tomm + condemn baseline
sharp meteor
I could see it. Kind of up in the air, though.
brazen rock
sharp meteor
Fury should be at least good in Crimson.
tawny river
Anyone else kicking around Dh? I am trying to decide between warrior or Dh, know...
nope, i will play almost every other melee, but refuse to play DH
sharp meteor
Why is that
sharp meteor
vulpera = rat
Rat is bis
full scarab
Because Illidan is a betrayer
tawny river
it's so piss easy, there is almost zero challenge, it's boring for me after a week
sharp meteor
Fury is easier. 
tawny river
might be, never played fury, never will
brazen rock
One day blur won't be bugged
brazen rock
Hurr dodge from behind
muted surge
One day blur won't be bugged
what makes you think that it’s bugged
brazen rock
DURR DODGE WHILE STUNNED
sharp meteor
80% dodge until the end of time
brazen rock
what makes you think that it’s bugged
rapid pagoda
You think Dh is easier then fury? I guess less buttons…
I just kind of ZUG ZUG fury and toss a hammer or fear here and there
brazen rock
I mean rn you press immo aura and throw glaive at 5 stacks
On beta you use a cast sequence macro
muted surge
Considering dh is also way stronger than fury
Yea, it’s easier
But furry is also for dh enjoyers
rapid pagoda
i am glad fury is tankier then usual, but DH feels great as far as mitigating and healing
wheat jay
Y'all should play some specs for men smh
tawny river
Y'all should play some specs for men smh
scarlet barn
Y'all should play some specs for men smh
Cease
frank anchor
Lol. I hate when I’m playing maps /w flags and they ask me to take it 😂 I get prot is tanky but I’ll be waddling across the battlefield getting perms pulled and sapped by DKs and Rogues
brazen rock
cuz they expect you to have leaper legendary and barbarian talented
sage raptor
Need music for a new pvp playlist
wheat jay
Need music for a new pvp playlist
Revengeance ost
Dmc5 ost
Or doom ost but that's for when you dont need to focus
All good things
Has some good songs
spice hornet
When the adderall hits on expansion launches
distant raptor
it's so piss easy, there is almost zero challenge, it's boring for me after a we...
warrior easy too tho
spice hornet
what causes fiery brand to hit twice?
merry valley
Revengeance ost
new sonic frontiers music kickass
spice hornet
just chillin at 56% then randomly fiery brand hits 2x with a throw glaive and now im down to 9% and for existing next to a DH
sharp meteor
So I think the bug was that if you threw glaive and it bounced and detonated the demon it'd apply brand twice.
Or maybe double glaive just does that idk.
spice hornet
sharp meteor
It's a cool sword. I think most people you see with it nowadays bought the account or char.
sharp meteor
There was the mog bug but it involved ticketing and items like that raise eyebrows.
tranquil hemlock
I think I would rather have scarab lord over ashbringer
Tbh if you are spending that much might as well go all out lol
spice hornet
there is a guy
in my buds disc
saying fury warrior is OP
saying he got 1v3'd
by a fury
too much self healing
lean burrow
dude just wanted to play solo shuffle after buying zm gear?
oh wait, must be normal 3v3
spice hornet
he was very adamant that fury is broken and at 70 if blizz doesnt change anything fury will be everywhere
was not trolling
severe skiff
Fury has pretty high sustain on beta at 70, you pretty much spam bloodthirst every non rampage/execute global
battle trance, pain and gain, and even the leech talent can add a good bit, gushing wound leech
severe skiff
Can't say for pve but seems like a wasted point for pvp
severe skiff
It doesn't matter, nothing will help you
tier set is going to favor crit tho
esp if you play the other crit damage talents like sharpened blades
molten jolt
arms or fury for dragonflight
severe skiff
fury
spice hornet
prot paladin healing is high again
severe skiff
got buffed by 40% for pve reasons without any pvp reduction
spice hornet
ah makes sense
craggy socket
Whats the move for pvp race alliance now
daring wadi
Why not human?
near delta
Fury has pretty high sustain on beta at 70, you pretty much spam bloodthirst eve...
I think fury is kinda flying under the radar.
severe skiff
I think fury is kinda flying under the radar.
Not really under the radar just not on the level of DH/DK/lock, see complaints about fury's "tankyness" (which is just the sustain at work) among beta players
doesn't have AMAZING damage but 40% ms carries that end of the spec
near delta
Not really under the radar just not on the level of DH/DK/lock, see complaints a...
I've been trying to get beta shuffles in, but it's like a 30-40 minute queue most times lol
craggy socket
Whats the difference between dark iron and regular dwarf
gnome, damn lol
that would be funny as fuck
spice hornet
dark iron racial is better
severe skiff
Dark iron is a 2min cd that puts your trinket on a 30sec shared cd (likewise using trinket puts dark iron racial on a 30sec cd) That gives you primarty stat and full cleanses magic/disease/poison/bleed/curse and gives additional main stat per condition cleansed
Gnome is a 1min cd, off the global, root/snare cleanse that has no other interactions.
Normal dwarf is exactly the same as dark iron except you get 10% melee damage reduction in place of the main stat buff.
lean burrow
Bis arms stats at 70?
be chad and stack mastery
sharp meteor
Dwarf passively crit for 2% harder, and dark iron take 1% less physical
dark iron dmg racial is their fireblood which doesn't last long but if you're ripping off 10 bleeds you'll thump somebody, it just puts trinket on 30s cd
which feels more fine on fury as you can wall in stuns
rare ibex
Finally hit 2100 as Arms tonight ... damn shame honor is capped at 15k. Wish I could get all the mogs.
lean burrow
arms
rare ibex
Yeah I'm gonna miss it 😦
tawny gorge
so, what would be best race for pvp warrior with new set bonus on 15%?
brazen rock
gnome, dwarf, dark iron dwarf.
opaque peak
so, what would be best race for pvp warrior with new set bonus on 15%?
Gnome can be good with all the new roots
tawny gorge
20% of Orc doesnt stack with 15% of set bonus?
muted surge
No
tribal wedge
you just get the 5% bonus for the stun, so still ok, but not broken as it used to be
past jolt
you just get the 5% bonus for the stun, so still ok, but not broken as it used t...
Well, the 2set is only 10% you’d need to craft a belt from your armor type profession (bop item asfaik) for the extra 5% reduction to CC Alternatively, you could craft a different item with a dps oriented proc
I will be playing troll tho, those guys are nutty
tawny gorge
@past jolt so u mean, orcs still top horde race?
copper hare
orc is def fine af and you don't need to feel forced to reroll just because it isn't broken anymore
tawny river
<@327618373582061570> so u mean, orcs still top horde race?
depends if u value 5% more stun resistance over 5% more all other CC reduction
15% on every CC, or 20% on stun and 10% on other
tribal wedge
whats the other DPS option, if u don't want to go for the 5% reduce CC ?
fickle forge
Ya'll are forgetting that orc also gets a free badge
tawny river
Ya'll are forgetting that orc also gets a free badge
well every other class has something aswell
i am going UD 100%
fck that, i wanna look cool finally
raw summit
wanna look cool
UD
make up ur mind
UD would be cool if you could get piercing how without zerk
but alas
raw summit
any troll enjoyers
elfin surge
you know WoW is down bad when
its a good game man
tawny river
any troll enjoyers <:critcake:984549832511344640>
troll looks sick too, my shaman is troll
fickle forge
Orc just has way more impactful stuff, albeit, Hardiness is a lot less value now
tawny river
ww had "u do 2% more dam" in tree <:critcake:984549832511344640>
most trash tree i saw so far
i cba maining ww anymore, they can't neglect monk more tbh
raw summit
ive been leveling ww and enjoying it since you get tigers lust insta
funny spin
its an m+ alt more than a arena character though
tawny river
in warmode leveling it's broken, unfortunately doesn't represent its state in pvp
tawny river
its an m+ alt more than a arena character though
ahh i see, then u are good to go
ngl the arms bleed build with Dragon's roar looks interesting in m+ aswell
fickle forge
WW you either have a bunch of hours on and always do well, or you don't and get fk'd
Besides when they bug their way to triple burst or w/e
tawny river
yeah i am doing fine on WW, but running for your life gets boring after a while
holy fck what is this big ass kekw
raw summit
maybe ill take it into shuffle once i have m+ gear
fickle forge
Shouldn't have picked a hit n' run spec then
If WW isn't running, it's usually overtuned
tawny river
Shouldn't have picked a hit n' run spec then
well it wasn't like this in BFA when i picked it up
raw summit
i need a good mog for ww tho
tawny river
i didn't pick hit and run, they changed it
fickle forge
That's because nothing died in BFA
fickle forge
Only destro was playing BFA, everyone else was an expansion behind on damage
Mistweaver and Rdruid comps were unkillable and couldn't oom
Hpala with 500000% CDR go brrr with 50 BoPs and sacs
It was a weird time
tawny river
yeah, but SL was even worse imho, i eventually left to play Lost Ark
copper hare
bfa had his best balancing in season 1 which is weird, but you could literally play any spec back then. it got worse every season
green wyvern
SL got worse every season too
copper hare
that is true. Also no real balancing in SL, I hope they change it in DF. We need more meta shifting to keep pvp alive, or rather to revive it
s3 and s4 being basically the same was a shame
tawny river
that is true. Also no real balancing in SL, I hope they change it in DF. We need...
yeah we had like more balancing the last month
than whole SL combined
fickle forge
that is true. Also no real balancing in SL, I hope they change it in DF. We need...
Waiting 4 months for them to buff BM hunter
elfin surge
rip arms
undone pumice
Never RIP arms
hopefully
ember totem
"Arms, once upon a time a mighty pvp spec, now a weak spec that hits like a wet noodle"
warped warren
Never RIP arms
the last arms player MID says arms is rip so its rip
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.
fickle forge
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.
tawny river
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the la...
let me join you, we are as two now
If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world.
warped warren
❤️🥰
noble stream
I don't get why slaughtering strikes is only 2% per stack for annihilator
makes me feel like annihilator was intended to be bad alongside smf and somehow isn't
thorn herald
makes me feel like annihilator was intended to be bad alongside smf and somehow ...
it got nerfed in beta
both smf and anni did
jagged cedar
new to war and pvp, would arms or fury be the arena spec for 3s? looking to push glad. an
muted surge
Furry
jagged cedar
is fury good in area? or is it just better than arms
jagged cedar
was torn between fury and ret paladin for pvp , thinkin fury looks way more fun
tribal wedge
i think it is yep
patent musk
We Arms forevah
sharp meteor
is fury good in area? or is it just better than arms
yeah
noble stream
don't forget more than double execute procs from tier set
green wyvern
fury is just scuffed dh
formal creek
so the main reason arms has all these stupid pvp nerfs is coz blizz managed to add a million different dmg modifiers to our talent trees and they are afraid of huge crits. At least unnerf d stance for fucks sake
undone pumice
is there a list of drops enabled strimmers?
hard hound
all drop
sly walrus
is there a list of drops enabled strimmers?
Yes on wowhead
sharp meteor
is there a list of drops enabled strimmers?
Realistically almost all of them.
Like the top 500 streams will all say drops enabled or whatever the fuck.
noble stream
You guys think RB build will be better with tier set?
rapid pagoda
fury is just scuffed dh
I really wanted to go to fury for mogs, etc but havoc Rips (and I purposefully didn’t use fel bombardment)
craggy cloak
Hello, Imma asked the same thing as in the Fury channel, but any way I could potentially drop spear for roar as fury ?
Like
Would that completely annihilate any chance i have
thick reef
So, as someone who has largely not been paying attention. How is warrior looking going into DF pvp?
brazen rock
So, as someone who has largely not been paying attention. How is warrior looking...
fury is good/ok, arms is dead
thick reef
Damn no op. Curse you blizzard.
brazen rock
still 2 weeks of tuning to go before rated/m+/raid drops
arms mite be dead this expac or it mite get giga buffed overnight, who knows
elfin surge
Hello, Imma asked the same thing as in the Fury channel, but any way I could pot...
not sure which one is better but i have been seeing a lot of fury warriors playing roar on beta so it might actually be better as fury.
thick reef
I wouldn't mind spear if it wasn't some blue glowey marvel bs
brazen rock
pvp prot also "might" work
craggy cloak
Oh wait, would actually be fun to just focus more on bleed
brazen rock
as disgusting as it is to say
craggy cloak
as disgusting as it is to say
Say it
full quiver
So my mom has been playing Christmas songs for a week now really loud throughout the house, and every time she plays them I tend to go on a loosing streak.
I’m thinking there’s a correlation between my dislike of Christmas songs and my arena rating. They just make me angry and I think it ruins my focus. Anyone else notice Christmas songs negatively affecting their Fung Shway while doing Arena?
I already play in the basement, so I can’t get much further away without going to the tool shed out back.
brazen rock
Say it
theres some funky ways to make charge/shield charge/slam all hit in the same global
lean burrow
So my mom has been playing Christmas songs for a week now really loud throughout...
you have to channel your inner neckbeard energy
elfin escarp
I'm trying to see if Arms is bad in arena but nobody on YouTube seems to even have paid attention to Arms much at all.
Is it that bad?
elfin escarp
Ouch! Lol
brazen rock
I'm trying to see if Arms is bad in arena but nobody on YouTube seems to even ha...
its dead on arrival.
copper hare
Ive heard arms gets deleted next patch and they replace it with a dagger smf spec
thick reef
I wouldn't mind warrior getting a range spec. Let's get our throw on
elfin escarp
Is it the lack of survivability?
near delta
Is it the lack of survivability?
Lack of survivability, and the damage is super undertuned.
main silo
What do you think our best comps for 3's will be ?
near delta
What do you think our best comps for 3's will be ?
TSG, WPS, and Kitty should all be really good. Depends on how the meta shakes out of course.
near delta
Ah turbo too lol
noble stream
seems that at 70 annihilator build doesn't seem to ever need to use slam
near delta
seems that at 70 annihilator build doesn't seem to ever need to use slam
Yeah very rarely
sharp meteor
What do you think our best comps for 3's will be ?
idk just grab something like havoc enhancement or dk then queue with probs rdruid or prevoker
sharp meteor
seems like the good/reliable thing early on
brazen rock
prot/hunter/hpal
sharp meteor
stuff should change a lot so just need something to get started with
sharp meteor
for all we know prot + ww/havoc + mw or w/e is bis comp for warr
just gotta q it up and see how stuff feels
muted sequoia
prot warrior pvp a real thing?
near delta
for all we know prot + ww/havoc + mw or w/e is bis comp for warr
Mud rn 
sharp meteor
prot warrior pvp a real thing?
ya i just think it's kind of balls into wizards
maybe dk/prot could offset that idk
we'll see
muted sequoia
😳
sharp meteor
prot unironically seems better than arms lmao
sharp meteor
not even relying on a gimmick it just seems good into physical stuff
unironically some shit like aff/prot/mw might be good lmao
muted sequoia
good time to be a prot main
sharp meteor
also tanks are dps in shuffle now so will probs see tank buffs
for better or worse
-monkey paw curls-
sharp meteor
blood seems good into casters, prot warr seems good into physical
brew has insane cc actually just can't handle magic dam
copper hare
From beta testing.. I really hope they adjust prevoker and rdruid Hps before it's too late. They can currently heal through any kind of dmg, it's disgusting
sharp meteor
yaaa
like i said conservative bet is like rdruid or prevoker melee cleave as fury
or maybe iwth like a shadow priest
noble stream
Probably going with this
move whirlwind talents to vicious contempt if cleave/no cleave
can also easily move from roar to spear if necessary
but I think raging blow build is better for spear
with ravager
like this? maybe
tenderize would probably allow some big rampages but I don't see any way of fitting it and odyn's fury is too good
tawny river
what is the stat prio for arms in DF?
tawny river
ahh i see, didn't really pay attention to arms recently, i know haste was the no brainer prio back then
sharp meteor
ya haste usually safe pick
tawny river
but yeah crit seems important, plus rage generation looks fine now even with lower haste
sharp meteor
if it's like hey do i want conq piece with haste or crit i'd say go haste as it flexes between the two better generally and is the more conservative pick in general
full haste without crit as arms felt kind of iffy though
needed some crit or masteyr behind all the haste
tawny river
needed some crit or masteyr behind all the haste
yeah on beta hitting a dummy with 100% uptime seemed hard to proc the set bonus
with full haste gear
copper hare
but yeah crit seems important, plus rage generation looks fine now even with low...
Crit is the most important stat for rage gen, not haste though
keen dove
What profession are y’all going?
scarlet barn
For pvp it really doesnt matter
patent musk
What profession are y’all going?
Pimping and Gambling
scarlet barn
Either you go for easy money or some easy gear
thick reef
Hah, professions, money.
New Prof system only gets you money if you raid
It's the only way to get the mats that make the gear epic level
buoyant chasm
hi guys, is arms going to be viable in 1v1 with the new talent tree and selfheals or still shit?
near delta
hi guys, is arms going to be viable in 1v1 with the new talent tree and selfheal...
Not at all
Warriors in general aren't a good dueling class, but fury has enough sustain to maybe make it work depending on the matchup.
buoyant chasm
so arms still need pocket healers 😢
spice hornet
Arms hasnt been 1v1 viable since MoP second wind
sage raptor
Not true
spice hornet
sharp meteor
hi guys, is arms going to be viable in 1v1 with the new talent tree and selfheal...
why u tryna 1v1 on arms
buoyant chasm
why u tryna 1v1 on arms
bc i don't like any other class
scarlet barn
Arms hasnt been 1v1 viable since MoP second wind
hey man
Second wind+fleschcraft
gg ez
sharp meteor
like in sl you could brute force a lot of people with conq banner
elfin surge
Not true
Not true! I've been dueling in goldshire for years now. And I do pretty well for myself (55% win rate btw). I'm kind of a big deal around goldshire, all the 2k players talk about my 1v1 skills.
sage raptor
Goldshire 🤡
elfin surge
You're just mad I use the Heart of Azeroth in duels. Stay mad kid, not my fault my gear is better.
full quiver
Arms hasnt been 1v1 viable since MoP second wind
Qfiend just sucks
Washed up from 10k fury games
sage raptor
I've been dueling in goldshire for years now. And I do pretty well for myself (55% win rate btw). I'm kind of a big deal around goldshire, all the 2k players talk about my 1v1 skills.
elfin surge
Not true! I've been dueling in goldshire for years now. And I do pretty well for myself (55% win rate btw). I'm kind of a big deal around goldshire, all the 2k players talk about my 1v1 skills.
You're just mad I use the Heart of Azeroth in duels. Stay mad kid, not my fault my gear is better.
sage raptor
HoA gives unholy 5 pvp talents btw
Turns out Necrotic strike and Necrotic wounds stack
fickle forge
I've been dueling in goldshire for years now. And I do pretty well for myself (55% win rate btw). I'm kind of a big deal around goldshire, all the 2k players talk about my 1v1 skills.
You're just mad I use the Heart of Azeroth in duels. Stay mad kid, not my fault my gear is better.
spice hornet
Washed up from 10k fury games
Washed up from watching too much @elfin surge gameplay*
drowsy wasp
Prot seems good in 1v 1
fickle forge
You wanna be a 1v1 god? Play feral
elfin surge
assa wins most 1v1 touny tho
fickle forge
They're almost the same spec anyway
full quiver
lol true
fickle forge
Stop being an alt masochist and become a gym masochist already Kyle smh
elfin surge
gym for bads
alts for glads
Mud, Execute, Disabled, Statbug, Buggin
thats the order
rare ibex
How do PVP mogs work currently? I.e. I got 2100 in the off season. Normally I'd get mogs automatically but since it was off-season, I had to upgrade gear to max rank and then they unlocked for that gear. Accurate? Next season, will I be able to buy missing pieces?
rare ibex
I need 7k honor in 1.5 hours.. probably not happening.
fickle forge
Probably not no
rare ibex
Damn, just need one piece too.
elfin surge
u shouldnt be able to get elite sets during an off season. The upgrading to duelist to unlock was clearly a bug, which you abused.
@rare ibex reported
rare ibex
Sweet, I abused a bug!
fickle forge
No
fickle forge
Mud, Execute, Disabled, Statbug, Buggin
Make Whirlwin already
elfin surge
Garroshgodx must get r1 first
elfin surge
Executie 
sly walrus
Imagine having a name starting with M and ending with D but only 3 letters
Get creative
sage raptor
MID
timid coral
Guys, I am trying to make Blizzard notice a bug : Currently it is not possible to trigger the PvP talent "Battle Trance" with the improved version of Raging Blow (Crushing Blow). Since we can have access to it all the time through the new iteration of Reckless Abandon, it makes Battle Trance pretty much unusable with this build
Literally every other Raging blow synergy works with both the base and improved versions, but not with the PvP talent Battle Trance which, to me, makes it an obvious bug.
undone pumice
its been like this for a while
timid coral
I believe we could trigger it during SL with double crushing blow
fickle forge
Fury bugs
thorn herald
Elite gear is RIP with the season end
i got to 1700 in rss and got tired of it
evokers came out and put the boot to my neck as an arms warrior
zzzz
thorn herald
nah
near delta
Mud, Execute, Disabled, Statbug, Buggin
Has Mud secretly been Dekel all along? 😮
thorn herald
i was gonna go for 2100 and i just got tired, not to mention i guess the queues get real long around then
near delta
Guys, I am trying to make Blizzard notice a bug : Currently it is not possible t...
Did they ever unnerf battle trance?
Cause they nerfed it when they fixed that bug originally
rare ibex
Took me 3 weeks to get 2100 as arms.. evokers were fucking stupid in prepatch pvp.
drowsy wasp
guys is arms viable
rare ibex
Evoker: one-shots me through SR. Also Evoker when on my team: 0 damage
fickle forge
i was gonna go for 2100 and i just got tired, not to mention i guess the queues ...
Doesn't happen till like 2800
timid coral
Cause they nerfed it when they fixed that bug originally
When they fixed what bug ?
thorn herald
Doesn't happen till like 2800
I see a lot of people whining about 20+ min qs at 2k
I also wasn't having fun
rare ibex
It's about 7 mins for me. . but certainly sometimes up to 20.
And yeah, it's horribly shitty for Arms lol
But I'm a bad player and it was too late to gear up another spec.
rare ibex
Same as the other sets tbh.
The regular conquest gear looks better than the elite gear imo.
Or however they're doing things now
fickle forge
I see a lot of people whining about 20+ min qs at 2k
What in pre-patch?
Had 1 min Qs on 2.7k mmr some seasons
It's not bad till you reach towards the end of the tube
near delta
When they fixed what bug ?
The old version of crushing blow didn't work with battle trance either until it was fixed in 9.2.5. Blizz nerfed battle trance to compensate for the bug fix since it was essentially a buff. Sounds like the bug was reintroduced with the reworked RA.
elfin surge
guys is arms viable
no lol
paper wigeon
is there a link to the 70 pvp spec for fury ?
buoyant chasm
is there a link to the 70 pvp spec for fury ?
would like to know for fury and arms, there is one? 🙂
paper wigeon
i kept on hearing about a spec thats basically unkillable so i assumed there was one 😛
sage raptor
does anyone have mes' weakaura?
copper hare
does anyone have mes' weakaura?
just wait until the season starts
so they're updated
noble stream
is there a link to the 70 pvp spec for fury ?
I just posted two but admittedly there's no point to them
there's still tuning to be done
spice hornet
I finally had a tank shuffle last night at like 2300mmr and gave the guardian mastery banner and he did 30k DPS
Enemy dh did 20k
proven maple
Guardian is just cheat codes at this point
spice hornet
Decided to queue one as a prot warrior at 0 cr afterwards and I died to a destro warlock in 2 seconds because his incinerate did 104k 92k
Felt pretty useless that lobby was pissed
spice hornet
Definitely, I thought I’d do well since I was watching mud on prot for months
full quiver
Decided to queue one as a prot warrior at 0 cr afterwards and I died to a destro...
lmao
hard hound
full quiver
yeah you can get fat crits on tanks
sly walrus
He would be a PvP in solo shuffle kinda guy
hot solstice
Did anyone noticed warbringer bug? If talented ur charge doesnt root
thorn herald
Did anyone noticed warbringer bug? If talented ur charge doesnt root
no its like really weird you have to be facing them or something
its a fun bug
spice hornet
When something stops your charge in front of the enemy and warbringer doesn’t send out
hot solstice
I mean u still get root from wave but the fact that target can run away while u charging is frustrating
near delta
Did anyone noticed warbringer bug? If talented ur charge doesnt root
I thought something was off
cinder thorn
Just for lol
I reflected a priest mind games and he killed himself
Can you guys tell me which professions u will have in DF on your mains and why?
I'm assuming warrior main
brazen rock
mining/bs because i haven't given it any thought
pallid sentinel
Double gathering gigachad
craggy socket
do professions really matter
sharp meteor
Yes, but not in pvp.
cinder thorn
In arenas no but in BGs they work right
So what are best professions for non rated pvp
Apparantly engineering is strong
What else?
onyx cedar
arms or fury dragonflight pvp
severe skiff
prot
onyx cedar
damn i almost laughed
severe skiff
Arms if you're a man, fury if you want rating
onyx cedar
i guess ill be going with arms
thorn herald
arms keeps getting random piecemeal buffs
green wyvern
arms or fury dragonflight pvp
dh
thorn herald
the damage will be fine soon but you'll be the train target a lot of the times
severe skiff
The only cope we have for arms is the fact that it's mediocre to bad in pve too so potential for over-tuned damage making it into PVE at one point in the expansion is there
drowsy wasp
Guys fury or DH
amber heron
i would say fury