pvp

[sharp meteor]

it's fine to have a macro with everything in it but be sure to also have stuff bound independently

[copper hare]

6 games won, 0 rating, what a fun game experience https://gyazo.com/1ce2fea93119b4563d8db6b516ce2779

[marble bone]

Ye thats my solo experience aswell, cba anymore

[cinder thorn]

Why no rating

Are you so high rating that the plebs don't give you rating anymore

[marble bone]

Stopped at like 1.8k-1.9k for me, got teamed up/vs low mmr people several games in a row

[copper hare]

because the mmr is random and fucked up every game. Some games I have 2.3 mmr, next game I have 2.7 mmr

then I have green geared or pve people with zero cr

last game enemy mmr was higher and I still got no cr with 4 wins

then I see this, full blue geared shadow without legendaries

https://gyazo.com/66ad1b7f230c20a255e1c3e19092dcd0

[marble bone]

Wtf

Might be some way to abuse the system that people have figured out? 🤷‍♂️

[copper hare]

Idk how it works. I got zero cr with 4 wins and 2.4 cr, meanwhile a dude with 2.6 cr and 3 wins got 15 cr

doesnt make any sense to me at all xd

[muted surge]

how does a shadow win with blue gear? :D

[full quiver]

Maybe he's not sitting in his normal gear lol

[copper hare]

idk, he had like half aspirants gear, 80k hp

[sharp meteor]

link his checkpvp

[copper hare]

oh let me see if I can find him on my details again

[full quiver]

I wonder if you join shuffle in blues, so it boosts your ilvl, then you swap to conq gear

[muted surge]

does it even scale your ilvl in ranked

[copper hare]

meh, it was one of the russians, so his name only shows like that in details

https://gyazo.com/b32988253af09848319c195f0d7435c5

but he had some conquest items, rest was aspirant gear

[thick steeple]

he's just that good

[brazen rock]

solo shuffle only ques me for brawl

[hot solstice]

Damn I thought S4 was the worst for Arms....I was so wrong....bye elite title

[copper hare]

pov: you know you dont get cr even when you win 6 games https://gyazo.com/b2d4a96d7fcc5bdb531f12d779b8d6f4

xd

[muted surge]

wonder if they fix the matchmaking / mmr for df s1

[sage raptor]

Ui bug. You're good

[sharp meteor]

?

we're all in placement games during preseason

that's how it always goes

[muted surge]

it does?

[sharp meteor]

well if a game hasn't been played in that bracket

which is partially why a lot of games are all fricked

[muted surge]

but its the same on beta

unless the season didnt start i guess

but probably true

[copper hare]

I think they might need 1 or 2 whole seasons to fix solo shuffle so it becomes a serious bracket

[sharp meteor]

concerned about heavy leavers early on and at low mmr

and casters in triple melee matchups getting ran over

otherwise seems like a pretty cozy time

[frank knoll]

Fury feels like legion fury tbh

[dense herald]

@here anyone well versed in Arenas as fury warrior? im rocking conquest gear now and feel like my haste is a bit low... but theres really no other option unless i wear the honor gear... Any body who wants to chat a bit about this feel free to hmu!
im running 8% Crit, 24% haste, 20% Mastery, 45% Vers...

[lean burrow]

45% vers

[marble bone]

There’s always the crucible to change up pieces, might get some other stats if needed 🤷‍♂️ check what top pvpers has I guess

[sage raptor]

how so?

[nocturne osprey]

those stats would feel really bad; try something like 35% haste 35% mastery

as Noxarc already pointed out, use crucible in zereth mortis to change your pvp pieces to "tier set" pieces which will have different stats

and by crucible i mean catalyst

[brazen rock]

those who've played DF beta, hows fury shaping up? pls shame me for not using the search function

[muted surge]

Good

Better than arms

worse than some other classes

[brazen rock]

Just playing pre-patch I'm noticing DH. lock, and DK are pretty much in a league of their own. Everything else feels "okay"

[muted surge]

Feral as well

But no one plays them

[copper hare]

season 1 is gonna be dh/dk meta

100%

[steep inlet]

yep

and lock

Fury can do things too

because DH DK lock are not as strong on beta than prepatch

[marble bone]

Playing arena as arms right now just makes me cry tbh.. does it feel a tiny bit better on beta?

cuz I dont need to be op, just atleast ok

[sharp meteor]

no lol only misery

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/0bf61f8b22ed55d30b1816403a458fff

what do I gear now xd

[marble bone]

Another warrior!

[polar pecan]

What spec is everyone playing in Solo Shuffle?

[lean burrow]

havoc

[sharp meteor]

every match is 2-3x havoc lmao

[brazen rock]

Truly hilarious, 6 solo shuffle matches, atleast 3 DHs in every game

[sharp meteor]

legit just not worth playing rn

[brazen rock]

End with 1/2 the damage and 1/8th the healing of the worst one

[thorn herald]

im at 43% on my warrior

[lean burrow]

is it normal?

i thought everyone stacked up to 35%

[sage raptor]

prot

the only spec that does damage and also live

[sharp meteor]

i think i have seen two waarrs in the past 200 or so shuffle matches

one left after he died 3 teams and the other went 1-6

er 1-5

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[thorn herald]

I mean I'm just wearing pvp gear but it's all 301 ilvl in pvp

I still explode when people go after me

[brazen rock]

Anything but spriest/lock/dh/dk i feel pretty good against

Shame thats about 80% of solo shuffle rn

[merry valley]

tbh, id be happy with just dh beeing gutted

[brazen rock]

Oh it has to. Comparing the Warrior/Arms tree to the DH/Havoc tree is disgusting

[glossy island]

Anyone,have a viable prot pvp spec for s 1 dragonflight from,beta?

[void pulsar]

I'm having a difficult time deciding what to main at this point. Between dh dk druid and warrior they're all fun just idk

[sage raptor]

arms

[lyric violet]

what talents you guys running for arms?

[lean burrow]

what's 44/63?

[sage raptor]

coordinatess

[lean burrow]

ty

[sage raptor]

<3

[marble bone]

Doesnt matter what amount of vers you got, we’re a paper class with shit dmg atm :))

[warped warren]

wheres mortal for deep wounds

[shadow flower]

hey guys, how does arms warr feel in DF beta, in pvp ?

[steep inlet]

Absolute shit

sorry

Fury is a lot better

I couldn’t scratch people

We lost 50% of our dmgs

[sage raptor]

If it's not condemn or charge, idk what it is.

[marble bone]

Not worth getting up mortal strike, more efficient to pray for 4 condemn crits in a row

[green wyvern]

Holy shit they really killed odyn's fury

didn't even notice

basically a dead talent now

[warped warren]

[vestal quail]

Where's the info on the odyn's fury nerf can't see a bluepost

[scarlet crown]

wait, gear boxes? should i be farming something before Dragonflight?

[raw summit]

Wasnt it just accidental cdr that got removed?

[vestal quail]

The only recent warr tuning I can see relates to WW for fury and some prot bits

[marble bone]

Gear for alts I guess, the catchup gear is only 252

[knotty tangle]

Tried to get back into retail after playing wotlk..decided to main warrior. Seems decent in solo shuffle

[lucid walrus]

how many DHs and warlocks have you run into so far

[knotty tangle]

All of them

I basically sit pillar and hope my dh team mate soloes the double dh on enemy team

Works pretty good

[keen marsh]

Is there anywhere a macros page around? Please excuse my stupid question. I'm new here and feel a little lost.

[muted surge]

On wowhead are macros

[keen marsh]

yeaaa, but not the best ones, or atleast the ones I found were quite basic.

and very few

[lean burrow]

enable focus casting in options, you won't need macros

search here for dstance macro

[keen marsh]

thank you for your answer

my question still stands tho, id like to see some more macros that i could inpsire from, i have some idea for some but i suck at making them

[lean burrow]

[keen marsh]

for example, does anyone have a Charge + Harmstring macro that works? I cant make a working one, thats how bad i am 😄

[lean burrow]

keep them separate

every class has a slowing spell, so you can keep it on the same key

[hard hound]

#showtooltip Charge
/cast Charge
/cast Brise-genou

[muted surge]

#nofrench

[hard hound]

Never doubt the courage of the French. They were the ones who discovered that snails are edible.

[lean burrow]

edible frogs

[marble bone]

Laughs in smalahove

[lean burrow]

edible molded cheese

edible baguette

[marble bone]

I can just imagine the first time molded cheese was eaten
«Nono I promise, I stored it correctly, its very good takes a bite and cries on the inside, yes very good indeed🥲»

Then people thought «hey, this is some rich fancy stuff, lets pretend we all like it»

Meanwhile in norway we cook the sheeps head and eat it

[lean burrow]

brain prions

[hard hound]

Surströmming 🤮

https://tenor.com/view/surströmming-gif-15908309

[marble bone]

Ye okey, the swedes win at eating stupid shit

[thorn escarp]

Idk I feel like they need to buff odyns fury

In pvp

Legions odyn was way stronger

[raw summit]

its inherently an aoe spell

[thorn escarp]

Btw are they removing conduit’s this reset or just leggo

[copper hare]

DF be like

[gleaming pike]

PvE main looking to do PvP a lot more in DF. How are Fury and Arms looking?

[hard hound]

arms shit

fury A

[gleaming pike]

Well Fury is probably my preferred spec so nice

Self healing looks a bit better with Impending Victory and Bitter talent can’t remember full name

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-internally-dead-inside-screaming-snapped-gif-8097478

arms is fine guys

[gleaming pike]

I’m sure you’ll show us

You getting glad on 3 chars again DF Season 1?

[sly walrus]

Arms owns

[copper hare]

nah it's worse actually. impending down from 40 to 30, enrage cd 2 min instead of 1.15. Bitter immunity is meh and will probably get skipped in most builds I think

[muted surge]

Bitter is a joke for 20% heal every 3 mins

If it still had the bleed removal :(

[undone ermine]

It doesn't?

What's the point then?

[copper hare]

would be nice but also too op I think.

[marble bone]

Just play dwarf

Ez

[gleaming pike]

Been watching Legion Pilav glory days of fury

[undone ermine]

Just had a leaver for my 5th Solo shuffle in a row; someone gets 4 losses in and decides it's time to be a vindictive shit.

[muted surge]

To remove curses :)

does any class use poison or disease? Rogue has the wep poison I guess

Unless they removed that since last time I played rogue

[brazen rock]

DK but you really dont want to be cleansing festering wounds

[copper hare]

does hemotoxin count as a poison?

[muted surge]

I guess you can remove the wl slow curse?

Not sure if it has a cd, but it should be perma up anyway

[fickle forge]

Basically

Worthless

[keen coral]

If Kingsbane and/or Sepsis end up being strong for Assassination, I can see Bitter Immunity being played into that so you can cleanse it. Kingsbane in particular hurts a lot. Outside of specifically that spec, and only if KB/Sepsis are actually good in DF, I can't imagine we'd ever take bitter immunity, it's hot garbo

[brazen rock]

pick bad talent or just play dwarf

[hot solstice]

Most interesting talent is +5% mortal we got instead of skull banner. Prove me wrong

[keen coral]

too busy being a gnome to be a dwarf

[hazy isle]

I really hope that dwarf + gnome arent so good that you kinda have to play them. Because i would rather quit than play those 2

[spice hornet]

i tried some in Sweden. so disgusting

same with that icelandic fermented shark

[copper hare]

you dont need to change if you're orc, it will be just fine.

there wont be a meta race, play whatever you think looks nice

[spice hornet]

is there a way to always show raid style frames in this new UI revamp

without having to make it a raid ??

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/42ae4131334fb4a78513a7428026d05c

the top check box

[spice hornet]

ah ty

thjats sick then, actual raid i can have frames elsewhere

[marble bone]

Small things like that only matters for like the top 0.1%

[wise parcel]

What's the best warrior PvP guide out there? Or is it all pointless and I should wait until DF

I wanna start building my UI and addons and knowledge base

[spice hornet]

I’d just wait til df but play around with different talents and stuff. So much can change

Setting up UI etc.

[wise parcel]

This is my UI, but I only PvE

Very clean and minimalistic, bars hidden and rely 100% on weakaura

[wise parcel]

I know a lot of people use Gladius

and Omnibar CC to track their kicks etc

How do PvP mains feel about the new blizzard UI instead of ElvUI?

[undone ermine]

Works well enough with some of the usual additions.

[spice hornet]

idk if youre like me I was using the original UI so I was annnoyed to log in and everything was like elvUI

[undone ermine]

I'm actually glad to be rid of ElvUI

[wise parcel]

Also, what do you guys think about WeakAuras in arena?

[spice hornet]

i was using WA, gladius, bigdebuffs etc.

pretty much mandatory

[wise parcel]

What do you use them for?

Similar to mine or a completely different style

[spice hornet]

Visuals/sounds when important CDs are used

Probably have more pve ones than pvp ones though

Tracking buffs and procs on my screen like I had one for the arms 4 set to see stacks/ time remaining on it easier

[raw summit]

Mes arena weakauras are kinda cheating

[marble bone]

Tracking big dmg buffs on enemies can be nice

[raw summit]

Also ticon why the fuck you queueing tank in arena

[marble bone]

The sky is the limit I guess

Ye fuck tanks

[wise parcel]

I was just showing my weakaura

I was gonna try Fury since i guess arms sucks in literally everything now

[raw summit]

Just dont queue tank

[marble bone]

Warrior isnt in the best spot

[raw summit]

Ruins the game for everyone

[wise parcel]

What are "mes arena weakauras"

[raw summit]

https://wago.io/4bSCZMHz4

[marble bone]

There’s even an addon that screams at you like bigwigs.. gladlos? Dno what its called, a buddy use it, I tried it but I found it hella annoying lol

[raw summit]

gladiatorlossa

[marble bone]

Ah yes that one

Might be nice for new pvpers

Might also be bad, as you grow too used to it 🤷‍♂️

[wise parcel]

What do these WA do?

[marble bone]

Probably tracks CDs?

[raw summit]

tells you when people use cds

[wise parcel]

OH DAMN

[raw summit]

"COMBUSTION" and then u know

ait its popped

[marble bone]

So kinda like omnicc?

[wise parcel]

Phil I didnt know you are good at PVP

[raw summit]

im not good at pvp

i just know some crutches

[wise parcel]

you probably being humble

i think 2200 is good

[raw summit]

and im not 2200

not worth it trying harder given the way it plays rn

[fathom aspen]

This is just what happens when they remove Ignore Pain. It's literally just all pain now

[elfin surge]

prot 😬

[copper hare]

prot is the only way

dps and healers ruin the game

[undone ermine]

Certified Great Take™️

[hot solstice]

Swifty plays prot, so should we

[elfin surge]

no prot

[hot solstice]

Well I have same attitude for guys who swapped to fury after s2, though arms wasn’t that bad

[craggy igloo]

https://giphy.com/gifs/leagueoflegends-league-of-legends-wild-rift-wildrift-56ktoqrjOu9pThKmt3

[elfin surge]

I tried my best to get r1 as arms s4 and couldnt. Had to swap fury for last 100cr

@hot solstice

[unborn osprey]

how does fury look for dragonflight pvp?

[craggy igloo]

why are they turning arms into a bad assa rogue lol

[hot solstice]

Did Laros get one on arms?

[craggy igloo]

warrior bleed builds trigger me

[elfin surge]

i think he got unchained as arms cosmic as fury

[hot solstice]

It’s bleed build but still worse than Assa or feral

[craggy igloo]

yea its awful

i got no prob playing fury though lol zoom zoom

every class has 50 million roots now, cant imagine trying to play warr without the fury root break

oh yea let me pop my 2 minute cd to remove this root 😎

[elfin surge]

@craggy igloo gnome

[unborn osprey]

how is smf for pvp?

[elfin surge]

shit

why would u

[craggy igloo]

lol true, gnome meta baby

[elfin surge]

even

[wise parcel]

Are you really good at warrior pvp

[elfin surge]

Are you?

[wise parcel]

No I'm trying to find someone to learn from

I've never PVP'd on warrior before

Most people are very guarded with their information and don't like teaching others

[hearty horizon]

Is Mortal Strike Debuff 50% or 25% in pvp?

[craggy igloo]

25%

you can buff it with pvp talent sharpen blade

[elfin surge]

What u wanna know?

[craggy igloo]

which you always want to take

[wise parcel]

Do you have any videos or streams I can watch?

[hearty horizon]

Thank you Biff. That makes sense.

[craggy igloo]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=198817/sharpen-blade

np

[wise parcel]

I don't wanna flood chat with noob questions and stuff that can be found in pins or basic videos

[elfin surge]

dat me!

[wise parcel]

Nice!

Thank you sir

[elfin surge]

@wise parcel war is dogshit atm most wars arent even playing or making content for it

[elfin surge]

most of us here will answer anything and i dont mind if u @ me

[wise parcel]

I really appreciate that

[steep inlet]

Mud is one of the best warriors ticon

You can ask anything

[keen coral]

mud is unofficially my dad

just waiting on the paperwork to make it official

[elfin surge]

[keen coral]

Does anyone happen to know how Arms did in raid testing on beta? I've checked multiple logs and can't find one being played at all. Fingers crossed for some PvE ST buffs to maybe get them doing...anything in PvP

[muted surge]

st is just bad

and the fights arms should be good at

furry is just better

[keen coral]

If it's another fury season in PvP i'm rerolling

[muted surge]

but in pvp its not even the main problem

[undone ermine]

What is?

[muted surge]

survivablilty

[hot solstice]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSmG3FATL1Q9vexbOhhNM7gWkYbQOXT3l

[undone ermine]

Right. They took away IP and didn't un-nerf our Dstance.

[keen coral]

I'd put them at about the same level of being a problem tbh, it's awful being paper but being paper AND doing negligible damage outside of execute makes it unplayable

I would bet money that D stance is getting unnerfed once PvP tuning actually starts in like 4 weeks

[muted surge]

i mean, i can keep up somewhat in dps on beta

just not compared to the top classes

but always being the kill target makes it difficult

[elfin surge]

Hahah

[keen coral]

DPS doesn't mean anything, just ask affliction before S3/4. If you don't have the damage to actually kill something then overall damage at end of game doesn't matter

[undone ermine]

I'm playing mage in solo at the moment, if I see an arms warrior I see free rating. 😐

[keen coral]

I only hope that they do not un-nerf D stance for fury, and only un-nerf it for Arms. Fury already has warpaint and more stamina, giving them an unnerfed D stance on top will only widen the gap between fury and arms

[muted surge]

yes be hyper focused on the word dps

[elfin surge]

💀💀💀

[undone ermine]

I'm not proud of it. 😦

[sharp meteor]

I saw a 2600 cr arms at like 2200ish

he went 1-5

[undone ermine]

I honestly feel bad for the guy.

[hot solstice]

I saw 2400 guys with 1600 exp in 2c/3c

[copper hare]

saw a 2.8 dh who never was above 2k in his life

[sharp meteor]

Havoc legit is like the most autowin spec in the game.

[copper hare]

just pre patch things

[hot solstice]

Bad thing u can get elite title via shoufle...Snupy confirmed

[copper hare]

I dont think its bad as soon as they fix mmr shit

[keen coral]

It's unlikely (not impossible) that MMR will be as wild as it is when season 1 actually launches

[scarlet barn]

you have been branded
you will never be free of that

[sharp meteor]

What, on live or beta

[copper hare]

I dont have the title on my alts, so I guess you meant on beta?

[scarlet barn]

You are no warrior

[hot solstice]

beta

[sharp meteor]

It's a generic reward so yeah that's to be expected.

[undone ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-go-t-game-of-thrones-walk-of-shame-shameful-gif-4949558

[copper hare]

I mean its just plausible when you can also upgrade from shuffle. otherwise "rated" wouldnt make sense

[keen coral]

Elite would never be a particularly prestigious title as long as you can get it from RBGs anyway so who cares

As long as you can't get glad from solo shuffle, which you can't, don't see the problem

[fossil pendant]

anyone got a cookie cutter pre patch spec for BG spamming? (for fury)

[sharp meteor]

bro i have seen so few warrs

[spice hornet]

Why is statbug on that list, he just plays cooked ass wrath 2s

[elfin surge]

good question

[muted surge]

hes #1 warrior

better than anyone else

2700 rating in wrath

[spice hornet]

Log on wrath and duel me

[delicate bronze]

Smf or tf which is looking best in arenas? I dont do bgs

[marble bone]

Doubt smf is the choice in any content what so ever

[delicate bronze]

Its just extra at this point?

[hot solstice]

On EU it was hard last season even for rbg...I finished season on 2436 in 2s and had 525th place, even less participation on rbgs

[muted surge]

its 2 points and even with that you lose dps

[keen coral]

it's not irrelevant because it's necessarily easy, it's irrelevant because it's...well, irrelevant. It is very possible to be a good RBG player and a terrible arena player, and arena is widely considered the more prestigious of the 2 brackets. ...plus when participation is high, it's a lot easier in RBGs than in arena, generally speaking. SL S1 there was a whole lot of people you could check pvp and they'd have a 2400 RBG achieve and be 1600 in arena

[elfin surge]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/icecrown/statbug @spice hornet

[raw summit]

[spice hornet]

[fathom aspen]

I ran into another Arms warrior the other day... and they used Bladestorm... and died.

It was sad to watch.

[marble bone]

the feeling when a priest with 60k hp 0mmr joins a 1.8k mmr arena match and gets insta killed 6 times in a row

Finally I wasnt the target 😂

[elfin surge]

Solo shuffle is fun but is also the most miserable experience as arms

[fathom aspen]

I do ok, using your build tbh. I don't take it too seriously but it is frustrating when the queue pops with tanks

[elfin surge]

i bug abuse the tank qs to dodge them

[fathom aspen]

Ooo

[sage raptor]

Skill issue

[marble bone]

ye /camp is best macro this prepatch

[muted surge]

Does that still work?

[marble bone]

ye

just got to log out before the arena starts

[sage raptor]

Or

Orrrr

[marble bone]

stop playing

[sage raptor]

Stop being a bitch and play it. The match takes like 4 minutes with tanks lol

Or don't play yeah

Either/or

[marble bone]

ye but the chance of winning as a warrior without a healer is shit

so why bother when you can dodge and lose zero rating

AND annoy tanks meanwhile

its literally win win

[muted surge]

#fucktanks

[sage raptor]

I mean not really

It's harder sure but it's not impossible

It's possible enough to the point I prefer tanks over healers

[marble bone]

meh

[low sparrow]

Anyone have a fury build for prepatch ?

[muted surge]

Do not listen to prot players

[muted surge]

#pvp message

@elfin surge you should really pin that

[low sparrow]

Ty

[marble bone]

story of my life

[foggy bloom]

Solo shuffle is depression

[elfin surge]

tf u mean i should pin that

WE ARE MODLESS

[muted surge]

exatly what i said

[marble bone]

tried to not dodge a tank game

Was aids

had so much hope for solo shuffle, but damn this is crap. 2.5 hours of playing today, one game I got 2 rating, one game I lost 50 rating, and the rest was rating unchanged 🤡

[fathom aspen]

To be honest the games where everyone piles on the sub 70k HP person aren't that great either. Sure you get rating, honor, and Conquest but you don't really get tested and it's just random who wins the most rounds.

Mode has a ton of potential when everyone is at least very similarly geared, but like a lot of things without as much investment it'll not be great, and they'll say well we gave you ranked solo queue and it flopped.

[sage raptor]

It really doesnt

[muted surge]

its already popular

just scuffedd bcs we have no ranking

[sage raptor]

Idk where people see the potential

[muted surge]

?

[sage raptor]

Nor why people complain about a bracket that's 90% meme

[sage raptor]

????

I have question marks too

[muted surge]

idk where people see potential in a solo arena game where you dont have to sit in lfg for 2h

[lucid walrus]

it’ll only be capable of proper assessment once the season starts, balancing rolls out & everyone gets gear

[sage raptor]

And with shadowlands being so low in participation, I doubt you'll have to wait 2 hours in lfg

First seasons always pop off

[copper hare]

the queue time for solo shuffle isn't just about participation, it's more about the fucked up healer to dps ratio

and that won't change that quick unless DF will be less aids for healers

[sage raptor]

Don't the Stam buff/dampening change fix that?

[wheat jay]

Solo shuffle will be nice for some fun

BUT

It will suck when you try to play 3s and someone drops "2.4k xp" and its solo shuffle

[copper hare]

that wont bring all the healers back

[marble bone]

like they do now with rbg?

"look at me and my elite gear" hardstuck 1.2k

I think Solo Shuffle will be popular, because a lot of people simply dont have time for the aids that is LFG. Personally I like the idea behind it, but how the mmr etc works right now (most due to one team getting a 0 mmr no gear healer because of the obvious lack of healers), its just really fucking boring to play

Either you slam down a 60k hp healer 6 times in a row, or get focused as a warrior 6 times in a row 😛

[wheat jay]

Solo shuffle will be that no stress mode

That you play when you're bored and have some time

[copper hare]

lol you're so wrong, that shit will me so much more stressful on high rating

[marble bone]

just dont get to high rating 😉

[steep inlet]

stop check the prepatch MMR

its full bugued/fucked

like all off season rankeds

in DF S1 mmr will be normal

[marble bone]

sure, but right now its aweful

[steep inlet]

y

[copper hare]

And even if that's a good thing obviously, keep in mind that queues for the first weeks for dps will be even longer now when tanks replace a dps

But I rather take a longer queue when I know it's gonna be a healer game

[proven maple]

honestly not going to sweat rating in solo, that's the only way to not stress this stuff

get your cr from 2s or 3s, and not get all sweaty over solo

[marble bone]

I hate playing with people though, toxic scum all of you

[copper hare]

that's the reason why solo shuffle might become the most played pvp bracket. Nothing is worse than sitting in LFG for hours, just so one entitled player can leave after the first lose

[marble bone]

Yep, killed my hype for SL pvp

healers had a freaking rough time though in SL

[wheat jay]

Gotta be good enough to make people add you on bnet

Easy

[marble bone]

There was mostly two kind of healers you got into your group; the one that claimed to have 2.8k exp but was playing on an alt, then couldnt fake cast for his life. Or the one "learning the class, please be kind" and then leaves if you fail to leap-intervene-charge-interrupt something he could have LoSed

thats true, adding people is a saving grace

[proven maple]

or the disc priest who did all damage casts and never even sent a heal, actually love playing with those guys, you win fast or lose fast

[marble bone]

haha true

might even pick up healing again, if DF is less bursty. My heart cant handle SL healing lol

[proven maple]

the thing is I got kind of used to a very fast damage meta, it'll be weird if it slows down a lot

[copper hare]

If you do, go for mistweaver, shit is hella fun. I might play some in DF aswell

[proven maple]

mw mana seems way too efficient right now compared to almost anything else, wonder if that'll stay that way

[copper hare]

games gonna be fast with the new dampening changes, even in 2s/3s

[proven maple]

good

damp comps like outlaw/x were so toxic

[copper hare]

Like it's weird. Like you had a kitty vs ret/war matchup for example, the game felt insanely bursty, really spiky hp, but the game still lasted 10 minutes

SL was weird..

[proven maple]

this is very accurate

like the extended argument in here about ret/war being a damp comp, that had a lot of merit, odd for sure

[copper hare]

while we talk about spiky damage..

https://clips.twitch.tv/SuspiciousDignifiedChoughKappaClaus-giZpqLeLL167C79x

[spice hornet]

wrath LFG is pretty pathetic and this is on a high pop locked server

[sage raptor]

I thought people used an addon

[spice hornet]

i thought that was before

like in tbc

idk

[spice hornet]

cant even enjoy solo shuffle its all DHs/spriests

doing retard dam

wtf arms does no dam

(first day back from vacation so finally playing)

[sage raptor]

At least we can kill spriests

[wheat jay]

Play condemn

Enjoy dmg

[merry valley]

wrecking throw cacoons

get wet

[sharp meteor]

Wrecking throw with demolish erases dark pact.

[merry valley]

[spice hornet]

is gladius bugged

where you click frame and it does nothing

[primal flax]

yes

[spice hornet]

all sham specs having thunderstorm with all these z-axis maps

[primal flax]

Lol and mages

Which to me is dumb af they already have a ton of ways to run from melee

[spice hornet]

arcane is very annoying

[spice hornet]

Any other brave souls playing 2s as arms

[sharp meteor]

lol

lmao

[primal flax]

Lol me

[spice hornet]

dont know which one is worse playing arms/healer 2s in wrath or playing retail arms/healer 2s

[warped warren]

what

how is arms healer in wrath bad

[spice hornet]

Not saying it’s bad it’s boring as shit

[warped warren]

????

🤣

[spice hornet]

No damp matches take forever boring chase paladin healer around

[warped warren]

[spice hornet]

[warped warren]

"i dont know how to play, shit spec game comp!!!!"

[spice hornet]

I’m 2100 in wrath 2s?

It’s boring

Nobody is really playing because it doesn’t matter until the last week for glad

[warped warren]

you na?

[spice hornet]

Yup

[warped warren]

go figure

[spice hornet]

I think EU wrath is way more active

Right?

[warped warren]

probably ye

2.1 na is #390
2.1 eu is #1000

2s

so abit diff ig

[spice hornet]

Geez

Wonder what makes it more popular in EU

[warped warren]

no clue

[spice hornet]

they need to add ability to cross-realm q arena

would make it better

[warped warren]

yeh would be cool

[spice hornet]

damn @elfin surge just got put into a pack and smoked

[elfin surge]

was that u

[spice hornet]

nahh that was my bud

it was orchillez

on dh

KEKW

[elfin surge]

ive never seen a player

so awful at the game

[spice hornet]

LMAO

[runic galleon]

are legendaries super necessary rn

[lean burrow]

just chill until df

[sharp meteor]

Yes.

Well, unless they're the shitpick tier ones like Necro Feral ig.

[proven maple]

DH is nuts right now. Curious if they will be as good come first season DF if there’s any more balancing?

[brazen rock]

They're not "as" absurd on beta but they're still pretty much top dog. Dh/dk/healer will be the faceroll cleave comp imo if things don't get another few passes for balance.

[spice hornet]

pre-patch always has very broken stuffs that usually get fixed

by s1 start

[brazen rock]

Yeah it'll depend. I could see Havoc taking a 10% aura nerf and still being very competitive. Yet they've been untouched so far in balance passes

[sharp meteor]

It's mostly bombardment.

[muted surge]

Invincible, flying shit, immunity during transform, darkness seems bugged?

I’m glad that we got parry (mostly ignored by dhs)

[fickle forge]

Arms got +5% dmg on MS

Arms is saved

[warped warren]

HAHAHA

arms

[thorn herald]

low level arms pvp is fun

so sad

MS chunking people for 30%

[torpid thunder]

hows fury looking in pvp for df?

[steep inlet]

Middle-good

[torpid thunder]

cool, looking forward to df pve/pvp 🙂

[knotty atlas]

What about Prot? Is it also good in DF for Pvp?

[muted surge]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-bye-shoo-go-away-gif-15313860

[lean burrow]

another season of fury

[sage raptor]

Yes

But don't tell people here that >.>

[knotty atlas]

[marble bone]

I am almost tempted to get a shield and test it.. almost

[vocal flint]

Its possible to create a maccro "Intervention" for "everything" or not ?.

[carmine dust]

Why are Warriors so bad? Can't kill a single person on par

[raw summit]

Because their damage and survibality sucks

Why? Because we're paying for our sins in s1/s2/s3

[fickle forge]

Dw arms got +5% dmg on MS

Busted spec now

[copper hare]

They changes to arms this week were actually a 2% nerf overall btw

[carmine dust]

Might as well roll a DH

[tribal wedge]

deserved, arms was a bit overtuned since prepatch

[carmine dust]

Blizzard keeps sucking their dongs

[tribal wedge]

dominant spec as hell

[raw summit]

it wasnt in pre but ait man

oh since

yeye

[marble bone]

We’re just hidden op, and we’ve all taken an oath to play like shit so they dont nerf us before s1

I’m pretty sure I am fighting in my i200 gear, sure as hell feels like it

[mental violet]

any pinned fury warriors builds for prepatch? struggle to find any

for pvp, solo shuffle

[muted surge]

There are no pins

Only despair by playing arms

[elfin surge]

demon hunters seem pretty good rn

[rapid shore]

[hard hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_4bCBkJ8_s

[raw summit]

flark is a bit sus

remember when he nearly lost the wowhead guide for flaming people

[hard hound]

i don't know this guy

[muted surge]

Idk if I’m overestimating feral

Or everyone else is underestimating them

[robust hearth]

Good bye fellow warriors today I become an Evoker main unless warriors become too good in season 1

[hard hound]

traitor

[muted surge]

Is there no enhancer comp but war?

Wasn’t there smth like feral enh or with a lock

[robust hearth]

I may fall back on my warrior I wanna get my first glad I want tht fucking mount

[hard hound]

your not a true warrior

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-john-wayne-get-the-fuck-out-gtfoh-gif-20753227

[robust hearth]

[muted surge]

Still here?

Shooh shooh

[robust hearth]

[spice hornet]

lmao on my news feed

@bruin

[sly walrus]

Lol broke boy qb

Prob queues tank in solo shuffle

[frank knoll]

Divorced guy on Facebook energy

[hard hound]

fury buff

not bad

[tribal wedge]

where do you saw this m8?

[hard hound]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-pre-patch-phase-2-class-changes-and-tuning-329906?webhook

[tribal wedge]

thx

[hard hound]

hmm this is good

what is slaughtering strikes ?

[sharp meteor]

raging blow and annihilator give stacks that buff next rampage

[hard hound]

oh ok thx

any truth ?

[tribal wedge]

is sidearm really worth?

[hard hound]

Yes imo

Because of the attack speed we have

But I’m not a main fury , my xp is from arms

[tribal wedge]

sure but, the 1 sec reduc and 5% damage buff when kick seems good against casters or healers

[hard hound]

Yeah you right too

[tribal wedge]

13 sec kick

[hard hound]

If we kick every 13 we got a 70 % uptime on the buff

But in reality we don’t , we keep it for important kick

Imo side arms will be better , we have to test it

[copper hare]

The pick on 70 now is probably onslaught and 1 more sec of enrage together with Berserkers torment instead of odyns fury, Rest looks good

With Set we prolly also spec into juggernaut

[hard hound]

1 more sec of enrage work on rampage ?

or only onslaught ?

[copper hare]

On your normal enrage buff

[hard hound]

ok thats cool so

i was thinking the 1s was only on onslaught

[tribal wedge]

my guess

[copper hare]

And Berserkers torment now gives 6 sec of reck/avatar, odyns fury does no dmg anyways

[hard hound]

odyns fury buff attack speed and auto attack damage by 30 %

for 10s

[tribal wedge]

true, forgot to change

they revert the mobility nerf too

[hard hound]

+4 s reck is better than 30% speed and damage on auto with odins fury ?

[golden knot]

How should I be using Odyn’s fury in PvP ? On CD?

[hard hound]

yeah

cd is 1.50 so 1 time with cd

one time without

[merry valley]

Ravager + Hurricane is better than Onslaught + Tenderize, Hurricane gives us a similar Necro Banner that also deals dmg

spear also garantees some ravager dmg

[hard hound]

yeah and big shredder in spear can melt

depend of the compo , mele cleave is better for ravager if you can take 2 or more ppl in spear

is you can only get 1 ppl inside of spear onslaught is better imo

[merry valley]

thing is, even if Ravager doesn't do damage you will still get 30% strength and movement from Hurricane

Ravager is outdamaging Onslaught in Single Target

[hard hound]

imo you will alwaise do damage with because you pair it with spear

[merry valley]

true but even if they can leave spear, the buff is still strong

[hard hound]

ravager for burst , onslaught for more overall damages

i will use ravager anyway , i will go for tsg so

[merry valley]

ravager is still better for overall damage, thogh i would like it more if Onslaught got a small buff to make it relevant

rampage cb cb onslaught into big rampage is tempting

[hard hound]

what represent 30 % strenght ? its how many % damages ?

[runic galleon]

would you guys do thunderous roar or avatar + shockwave/spear for prot

[merry valley]

mmm

hard to tell

but for reference

gives similar buff as necro banner

so u know its good

[hard hound]

necro banner is a fucking huge buff

[merry valley]

yep

[hard hound]

if 30% str is similar yeah this is the way to go

[merry valley]

just doesnt last as long and doesnt give anti movement impair

[hard hound]

6s max str

12 s total

not bad imo

he will fade in the same time of reck imo

[copper hare]

Lol ravager Hits harder than spear haha

[merry valley]

not the point

[hard hound]

spear is only here for lock and give 25% crit damage for 6s

no car about damages

[merry valley]

ravager hits hard but even if it doesnt hit the buff is worth

[copper hare]

This game is only about damage

Nothing else

[hard hound]

damages during spear not damages of the spear

[merry valley]

no one said spear outdamages ravager thogh

ravager full dmg hit is probably our bigger cd, but even if for some reason doesnt hit, hurricane buff is worth

avatar + hurricane big pp pumper

[hard hound]

https://tenor.com/view/nagito-blender-nagito-komaeda-komaeda-komaeda-death-gif-21723947

cant waite to test that

[merry valley]

i would like some onslaught buffs thogh, getting cc during that buff window will feel miserable

[hard hound]

yeah

baite stun before go

[merry valley]

rampage into a odyns avatar proc 2x crushing blow onslaught into a big rampage buffed by avatar

juicy

[hard hound]

i will find a good fdk

big cc during burst window will be mandatory for us

[merry valley]

big dragon stun also matches our 1.5 burst window

[hard hound]

what is that

new class cc ?

[merry valley]

frostwyrms fury

aoe stun dks have

[hard hound]

ooh

yeah their lego

[merry valley]

ill prolly still play with unholy, necro wounds + 40% grievous is the thing

[hard hound]

unholy have less cc 😦

[raw summit]

minimally less

only lacking frostwyrm

[merry valley]

its better pressure damage + antihealing wise

[copper hare]

D STANCE BUFF

Oh just woke up we still in 2022 nvm

[tribal wedge]

💀

[manic needle]

What do you guys recommend for random bgs? Fury or arms? Thank you so much.

[thorn herald]

gives 15% crit damage now :^)

[merry valley]

what?

[thorn herald]

hurricane only 12% strength now in pvp :^)

[merry valley]

new notes?

[thorn herald]

dunno if there was ever notes or if its a prior nerf

[merry valley]

because warrior is alreaddy so strong

[copper hare]

nah, that's pretty old. Spear was only 6 sec and 15% crit for a couple weeks on beta already

[elfin surge]

Random bgs? Whatever you find fun tbh.

[thorn herald]

i love that u cant trust our tooltips anymore

[manic needle]

Yeah, random bgs, rbgs and/or solo shuffle.

[merry valley]

indeed, how hard is to have a note on pvp nerfed abilities so people know

[elfin surge]

In prepatch im almost only playing arms atm

[copper hare]

it's updated on beta, but retail pre patch is like 4 patches behind

[manic needle]

I hope they nerf dh

[thorn herald]

yes but it doesnt update til youre in pvp combat, and when the hell do you check tooltips during that

[manic needle]

Thank you, I'll copy your build.

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/pov-you-giga-chad-chad-meme-gif-25615024

[copper hare]

yeah I mean that's why some people still think def stance is worth to press :D

[manic needle]

Lmao

[thorn herald]

hshs

[thorn herald]

FR took that piece of shit off my bars

[merry valley]

lol if ravager is down from 30 to 12, unless u can guarantee its damage, its bad, and even then idk

not sure of this thogh but isnt Dragon Roar bleed also nerfed in pvp?

[muted surge]

@runic galleon only for pallys

normal games have max 1 tank

[runic galleon]

oh ok

[hard hound]

Where I didn’t see ???

[delicate bronze]

what did they do to d stance hasnt it always been 20% reduce dmg taken and 10% reduce dmg dealt

[copper hare]

it's 10% reduced damage taken and 20% reduced damage done following two nerfs in s2 and start of s3 I think

[delicate bronze]

is that only in pvp?

[copper hare]

yeah

[merry valley]

So, dh will still wreck havoc till the end of prepatch

[patent musk]

stupid Havocs

[muted surge]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-24332550

And in df s1

[merry valley]

If they are not nerfed this reset, for sure they wont be 1 week away from xpans

[patent musk]

i think they gonna stay like this till s1 is over

[merry valley]

Not on prepatch anyway

They are less opressive on beta, still opressive regardless

[copper hare]

Well not broken, but still the best melee

[patent musk]

the self healing needs to be nerf , thats the problem, they are unkillable

IMO

[merry valley]

Necro shpuld be removed

Reseting hp

[delicate bronze]

''DoNt NeRF uS, wE diE iN a StUn''

[merry valley]

2 or 3 times per m

[delicate bronze]

i can hear them already

[merry valley]

Is retarded

And perma dmg increase

[muted surge]

Idk I rather see the flying and invincibility shit as the problem

While having the dodge shit as well

While doing high burst

[copper hare]

outlaw and sub not being op anymore helped DH the most tbh. they were heavy dh counters. Now there is nothing in your way

[merry valley]

I think necro is still the guilty

Multiple procs

3x 20% hp regen in a gcd

And perma avatar

Retarded

[patent musk]

and they press like 3 butons?

[muted surge]

Well in pre patch yea

But on beta they are still really oppressive

[merry valley]

They still have fodder in df yh?

[patent musk]

in DF 4? xD

[muted surge]

Dh meta once again

[muted surge]

Was meant for raks comment

[patent musk]

yes, is a node in spec tree

[merry valley]

Fodder should be an on use

And not heal as hard

[delicate bronze]

is fury decent in 2s/3s since im dropping arms

fuck arms man

[patent musk]

never drops Arms

[muted surge]

Just play it

[merry valley]

Fury is still good, tanks and dh are the only problem

[muted surge]

And see for yourself

[merry valley]

On prepatch

That is

[muted surge]

I really don’t get all the spec questions, it’s not like respeccing is difficult

They even removes the gold cost!

[delicate bronze]

yeah i dont have the gear to see for myself

but id like to ask to those who have

[delicate bronze]

thx

[merry valley]

I dont play beta, i follow some streamers and most pve theorycrafters. Fury is in a good spot and will continue if not much change

If dh gets a little nerf we are still midle above tier

New reckless abandon is great

[desert meadow]

Good in PvE doesn't mean good in PvP tho

[patent musk]

Fury is good and fun, but ill still play Arms i think, Arms just loves me and i love him

[desert meadow]

Yeah fury does good damage and has defensive options and is fun but arms is miles better in every way currently

[merry valley]

Fury is not even top tier single target on pve

[copper hare]

you're a masochist

[merry valley]

Its kit is good for pvp and its dmg overall is good

[desert meadow]

Fury was good with 4 set

[merry valley]

Its a middle of the pack boy and id like it to stay thay way

[craggy socket]

fury is still strong and hear they got a buff today?

It sucks that arms is donkey dick

[merry valley]

Pvp tunning is still underway

[muted surge]

[merry valley]

2 weeks till release + 2 more for season start

[copper hare]

[merry valley]

A lot can change

[muted surge]

[merry valley]

❤️

[muted surge]

Trust in the dh and dk superiority

Drop arms

And enjoy the game

[merry valley]

My partner is unholy sooooo

Im safe

[patent musk]

to enjoy the game you have to play what you like, not be a meta boy

[craggy socket]

DK is cool, DH can fuck off.

[muted surge]

He prob looks for a dh to replace you

[craggy socket]

What does warr even do that DH can't tho now

Intervene?! lol

[merry valley]

[copper hare]

die

[muted surge]

Man i really enjoy arms, but I almost i almost unsubbed after some games against double dhs

[patent musk]

but you talking about solo shuffle?

fuck solo shuffle

[craggy socket]

I hate even saying this copium filled statement but lets be real there will be alot of buffs/nerfs before raid/m+ comes out

[merry valley]

Ot will

[muted surge]

[merry valley]

It*

[craggy socket]

hahahaha

[copper hare]

By the way, DH has a talent that makes all your dmg do chaos damage.. which means it ignores armor. That's one of the reasons why soulrend ticks for these numbers even on plate specs

[craggy socket]

Hey I didnt saay warrior was gonna benefit from it lol

[merry valley]

That

And legendary

And all glave modifiers

[muted surge]

So it ignores parry completely right?

[merry valley]

And i might be spiting on my head but double glave might put rend 2x

[copper hare]

yeah ofc.

[merry valley]

Prepatch soulrend shenanigans is to be expected

Soulrend isnt the elefant in the room in beta

Gut fodder

[patent musk]

i refuse to play that pussy class DH, we all need to unite and when we see a DH, fuck him up xD

[sage raptor]

There's a lot today. I wouldn't doubt more will come.

[copper hare]

fodder is not the problem. In fact most dh just play elysian decree on beta because its more dam

[merry valley]

I second this

[muted surge]

Problem is that we all together would still lose

[patent musk]

sadge

[muted surge]

He breaths on us and we ded

[patent musk]

then make /rude

[merry valley]

Just close ur eyes if u dont see dh he cant hurt you

3 days ago i actualy lived horror movie

3 havoc + 2 vengeance same arena

[patent musk]

when you face to face a DH

[thorn herald]

i did ww

[merry valley]

All and all, as a Fury main, pretty happy with how the games going

[thorn herald]

i still have mortal strike

except now it hits as hard as it always shouldve

[merry valley]

Rising sun megatonkick

[muted surge]

They should remove ms from all but arms :(

Give us our niche back @cedar rover

[merry valley]

Give everyone ms

Except arms

[muted surge]

Or that

[merry valley]

[thorn herald]

it really should be 50% for arms all the time

and just revert the stupid 30% pvp modifier and the spec would feel a lot better

[merry valley]

Make sharpen 100% btw

[craggy socket]

They just added more buffs and nerfs

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-pre-expansion-phase-2-patch-notes-updated-with-more-class-tuning-329917

[copper hare]

I'm not the biggest fan of the class fantasy stuff, but only war should have the best ms and disarm tbh

[craggy socket]

Gold is newest stuff

[merry valley]

Was expecting more tbh

I slowly saw dh

And saw 0 nerfs

Ruined day

[patent musk]

poor Rets man xD

Enhancement
Increased all damage dealt by 10%.

25% was too much

[copper hare]

they buffed ele again, but no pvp modifiers

get ready

[lucid walrus]

do we know when servers are up?

[muted surge]

Probably in 4 days

[sly walrus]

This also came at the same time as multiple bug fixes that made their 10% turn into like 2%

Or is that a PvP only change?

[muted surge]

General

[sly walrus]

Then yeah it’s old

[muted surge]

There’s no pvp only change atm

[copper hare]

SOLO SHUFFLE
Deserter penalty rating increased to 150 (was 100).

[muted surge]

Also old

You all are so 3 weeks ago

[sly walrus]

I don’t think any of them are actually “new”

[copper hare]

you're old

[sly walrus]

Like they’ve all been announced for at least a week or so now

[fickle forge]

Execute was really hitting too hard

8k is too much

Deserved nerf

[merry valley]

Only dh can hit for 10x that

Know ur place

[muted surge]

I’m still mad at evoker tho

Their shitty living flame

Crits for 100k

More than my arms

[merry valley]

Arms is a pocket ms now

Aplly grievous and try to survive

True support role

[muted surge]

What’s the ms of furry?

40 no?

[merry valley]

Yh

[elfin surge]

warrior is unplayable

i rage every time i q arena

[sage raptor]

I guess the devs wanted warr to enjoy it while it lasts lolol

All of sl I mean

[copper hare]

that's what rdruid needs btw

Regrowth healing increased by 6%.

[spice hornet]

mid got smoked by a dh yesterday

[merry valley]

Ive been having fun with war

[copper hare]

ns already healing for 180% of the hp

[merry valley]

Untill dh enter the arena

[spice hornet]

got put on a shirt

[merry valley]

Then no one has fun

[muted surge]

@elfin surge when are you streaming some beta shuffle

[elfin surge]

nev

[muted surge]

:(

[sly walrus]

Can’t show anyone his prot gameplay

[copper hare]

no more 30 sec tank games tomorrow

[muted surge]

Unless you queue into pally!

[copper hare]

I think I haven't seen a single prot pala game so far, maybe there is not more than 1 on EU

[fathom charm]

https://i.imgur.com/PQqQERt.png

[sage raptor]

I'm gonna miss them

[knotty tangle]

If you play with another ms class. Do you ask them to turn off ms?

Like dh sweap overwrites fury ms?

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[knotty tangle]

Same goes for arms?

[proven maple]

Have them spend a point or pvp talent on something else. They can grab more cc or throughput

Arms can’t drop it’s ms for other stuff

[muted surge]

We could skip sharpen tho

[knotty tangle]

Cause i really feel like warr can shine in solo, due to unlimited comp options. But you need partners to want to swtich up talents right

[muted surge]

Bcs our base ms is lower than others

[proven maple]

I happily forgo mortal dance when I can on my dh

[knotty tangle]

Skip sharpen when playing with potatoes?

What would you take insted

[muted surge]

Idk

Just a suggestion

I’m a potato myself

What’s the ms % from dh?

[sharp meteor]

25

[knotty tangle]

Well im 1950 warr xp so thats why im asking

[copper hare]

every spec has 25% expect assa/fury

[sharp meteor]

why would u ever skip sharpen

[muted surge]

Asda 40 as well?

[sharp meteor]

hemo is 40

for 8 and 2 shiv charges

[muted surge]

Ah well, then prob not

[proven maple]

Skip sharpen into double dps

[muted surge]

Everyone has insane self heal

[elfin surge]

Sharpen always

[muted surge]

Prob still worth to sharpen no

[elfin surge]

Every spec is a self healer spec

[lucid walrus]

sharpen pretty skippable into RM 2s

[elfin surge]

ye

[sharp meteor]

ya only rogue mage cos they're all absorbs

[lucid walrus]

ye

[muted surge]

Ye

[sharp meteor]

nah most of them have healing

like fury/feral for instance

[lucid walrus]

one of mag’s guides mentioned skipping it into discs in corrupted season also

mostly absorbs etc

[knotty tangle]

Fuck @digital basin is gone

[sharp meteor]

really though if you aren't sure about if you should skip then don't skip lmao

[lucid walrus]

speaking of absorbs, everything reminds me of her (ignore pain)

[sharp meteor]

if you know they have no in combat big heals then fine for go for it

also don't ms into sharpen

[knotty tangle]

Proque no ms into sharpen

[elfin surge]

noob wars dont know how to sharpen correctly

i had to make a guide on it

cuz so many wars fuck it up