pvp

[steep inlet]

y

[fickle forge]

Yeah I get that

I just don't trust speculations in general

[muted surge]

Do they actually play the classes tho

I have never seen a boomi surv or sub in arena

[steep inlet]

i have and a lot

it’s pure shit

sub almost heal you haha

and trust me I’m a sub hater usually

they just now suck like arms

sub and outlaw does 0 dmg atm

only assa is serious

[marble bone]

As long as its only the numbers that is the problem, there’s hope that they will tune the dials up for us

Its worse if its the whole kit that sucks ass this close to release

Beta testers and content creators just need to be vocal and not let blizzard miss it

[lucid walrus]

rogue gets a free ticket out of tuning hell

still kinda jarred by the complete absence of IP when this would've been the best time to include/keep it

[raw summit]

One of the few misses on the tree

[lucid walrus]

might just be jaded by prepatch tuning or lack thereof. IV just feels like an odd bandaid

[fickle forge]

Absolutely can't wait for when the only ability in my entire kit that does any damage gets removed

😎 👍

[steep inlet]

Problem is

Arms is top 5-6 on beta

So we wait for a PvP buff

[fickle forge]

In PvE or?

[steep inlet]

And that my friends

PvE

That my friends

[fickle forge]

If they could unnerf MS in PvP at least

[steep inlet]

Is dangerous

[fickle forge]

That'd be good

[steep inlet]

Because if arms stay good in PvE

Fuck us for a pvp buff

[solar breach]

what potency conduits for venthyr arms?

[fickle forge]

I swear arms does damage

[muted surge]

What

That’s not really true

[steep inlet]

In PvE

Not PvP ofc

[muted surge]

Yes

[scarlet barn]

Im not sure about arms being good in pve on beta 👀

Last time i saw numbers it was ~

[muted surge]

Yea it isn’t. Middle of the pack, pre exe behind

[red lantern]

Hey guys long time listener, first time caller. Where would I find some fury pvp talents. I checked the pins already. Just a casual player learning

[muted surge]

#pvp message

We sadly don’t have pins

[red lantern]

Haha I didn't see that. Ty mate

There's my cc 🙂

[steep inlet]

Mb it was arms on prepatch

In top 5-6

[scarlet barn]

It is much nearer to bottom than to middle tbh 👀

[steep inlet]

No

[raw summit]

That's all condemn, not arms

[fickle forge]

Condemn carries all the damage

[steep inlet]

yeah

that’s what I said it’s prepatch mb

[fickle forge]

Yeah, but I meant more like in general

PvE and PvP

And what happens when we don't have it at 70?

[warped warren]

🤣

[steep inlet]

yeah that’s what I said yesterday

In current state arms massive succ

[hard hound]

We get a buff last night

In my dreams …

[spice hornet]

Any good prepatch prot warrior pvp guides/streamers ? Plz

[raw summit]

@elfin surge streams prot warrior prot pala rdu - very good gameplay @spice hornet

[spice hornet]

will check her out thx

[warped warren]

@elfin surge streams prot warrior gameplay

[raw summit]

With the statbug too

[elfin surge]

your pings interrupt my music

[marble bone]

But.. what will all the fotm fury players do now?

[raw summit]

Prot

Obviously

[full quiver]

Good thing im not trying to play survival right now lol

[elfin surge]

go dh

[steep inlet]

They will go DH

Waiting for fury buffs

[wheat jay]

Cuz you're a fotm bitch

[full quiver]

Lol

[sharp meteor]

dh dk or rogue ofc

[steep inlet]

rogue there is just assa

and even not the best

Fotm will Go DH Affli DK

[sharp meteor]

fury still seems decent tho

arms in shambles

[steep inlet]

yep

[short crag]

lookin at gearing an alt during prepatch to fuck around, assuming fury is the go? and what should I prio for stats on pvp gear if I can (besides the obvious vers)

[raw summit]

haste generally

mastery is a bit better than crit

[thorn herald]

ive been doing crit mastery, damage feels a lot better imo

even on beta

[lament osprey]

where are you guys finding your partners to duo/trio?

#no_friends

[elfin surge]

durotar

[uneven turret]

wtf

[muted surge]

Seems alright

#nerfarms

[sharp meteor]

arms still paying for war crimes committed in sinful/unchained

another relaxing season of pressing raging blow then rampage

[elfin surge]

Arms might be D but i am S tier.

[uneven turret]

haha i am sure you are!

[fickle forge]

If there are millions of arms warriors on the ladder I am one of them. If the ladder has ten arms warriors I am one of them. If there is only one arms warrior then that is me. If there are no arms warriors, that means I am no more on the Earth. If the world is against arms warrior, I am against the world. i love #arms till my last breath..

[hard hound]

Arms d tiers means hard to find good people to play with …

When you don’t have 3 rank 1 hf it’s hard to find good players

[fickle forge]

Imagine not having friends

Gonna force @wheat jay to play with an arms warr

[tranquil hemlock]

Arms still laying for mop tbh

Paying*

One of my warriors is named gagorder

[zenith panther]

What would be the best alliance race for pvp in df? Wanna pick up my warr again but unsure which race to pick

[hard hound]

Not bad it’s a good start

[fickle forge]

That's already live btw

[hard hound]

Really ?

[fickle forge]

Yah

[hard hound]

Wtf

[fickle forge]

They need to unnerf MS

It's more worth to press OP over MS atm

Also

Took them long enough

[hard hound]

Yeah

I will learn to play fury if we stay like that

[uneven turret]

at least fury is A tier in DF, phew

[hard hound]

Don’t like fury

My fingers hurt a lot when I play this spec

[uneven turret]

u forgot to enchant your fingers

[wheat jay]

@warped warren wanna play in df?

[fickle forge]

He plays arms too you monkey

[wheat jay]

Ye but he's not bitching like you

[craggy socket]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-pre-expansion-phase-2-update-notes-329833?fbclid=IwAR3jr7DoMNkojR_tWpQX-WHbqG-2oS6NOo4xBAZQO7Vzb5loWCH_ejhFNV8

[steep inlet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1015941304158531596/1040344907698667530/image.png

[muted surge]

is that now old or new

the patchnotes mix

and idk what s real anymore

[zenith panther]

What race do i play in df im so unsure. Human, nelf, gnome, dark iron

All have a reason to be played imo

[muted surge]

all good, doesnt matter

[zenith panther]

Yeah its much closer than in sl

[muted surge]

gnome prob has a lot of value

[zenith panther]

Yeah for sure

[muted surge]

bcs every shit class has a 8 sec root

[zenith panther]

But then again, you have to be a gnome

[zenith panther]

Facts

What would u play?

[muted surge]

human

just bcs i like the looks tho

[zenith panther]

Ye agree

Altho female nelf is lowkey nice too

But pref that for casters

Guess i might just do human ye

Idk if i can deal with gnome or dwarf

[muted surge]

they are just ugly af :<

even tho a gnome with pink mohawk is kinda hot

[zenith panther]

Facts

[elfin surge]

why is d stance still nerfed we dont even have ignore pain

unnerf d stance for arms

[muted surge]

#nerfarms

[fickle forge]

That's a giga slap to affli

[fickle forge]

Wat, I'm saying I'm committing with no bitching

Arms all the way

[sharp meteor]

dstance needs to be at the minimum 10/10

[fickle forge]

Hunter brain

[sharp meteor]

20/10 is so troll

[fickle forge]

Surely next hotfix it's reverted

[wheat jay]

No bitching, just like s3

[fickle forge]

S3 and S4 has abused me enough that I just accept arms is thrash

😎👍

[severe skiff]

DK's get a perma 35% damage reduction at 35% hp and below but Dstance is still worthless and ignore pain is gone. hurts, Also fury gets warpaint and arms gets nothing

[thorn herald]

we get 8% overpower damage 🙂

[severe skiff]

Solo Shuffle - Start at 10% Dampening and after 1 minute, ramp up at a pace of 25% per minute
2v2 (double DPS) - Start at 10% Dampening and immediately ramp up at a pace of 6% per minute
2v2 (with a healer) - Start at 30% Dampening (up from 20%) and immediately ramp up at a pace of 6% per minute
3v3 - Start at 10% Dampening and after 3 minutes (down from 5 minutes), ramp up at a pace of 6% per minute

[nocturne osprey]

well good to see they reversed some pvp multipliers for arms

2 down 29 more to go

since some of you are asking, here's a list of all the warrior spells with a pvp modifier

pvp coefficients
overpower .91
mortal strike .695
double time (time) .33
defensive stance .5
bounding stride (time) .7
bounding stride (speed) .72
deep wounds .625
condemn .87
conq banner .66666
crushing blow .8
exploiter .5
depths of insanity .5
condensed anima sphere .5
outburst .5
storm of steel .5
bloodletting .5
fatal mark .33
CSHB heal .5
thunderous roar 50% bleed
test of might (str) .5
test of might (duration?) .7
tough as nails .5
shield charge .5 on stun
elysian might .6
violent outburst .5
executioner's precision .5
hurricane .5
dance of death .5
uproar .5
dancing blades .5
battering ram (haste) .5

[sharp meteor]

buff arms

[fickle forge]

You gotta love how the nerf to ToM in BFA is still a thing

[elfin surge]

buff arms

[full quiver]

i hope balance stays the same

so i can just dumpster muds healers in 2s and take more screen shots

🫡 @elfin surge

[sage raptor]

these queues are too damn long. I'm queueing as tank.

[wheat jay]

Nonstop nut november?

[sharp meteor]

I feel like Warr just gets domed by shitty 30k dps laser bear.

if they swiftmend/regrowth a teammate once you just can't really recover from that

[sage raptor]

everyone does

but if it prevents me from playing with alliance healers than so be it

[muted surge]

no

[elfin surge]

try no nut lifetime

[wheat jay]

no nut lifetime is your challenge?

i'd say being a multi r1 is a good way to protect virginity

[lean burrow]

[elfin surge]

you say that but i get all the egirl dms

so who is really winning

[wheat jay]

egirl dms are not rly worth much

[elfin surge]

ignoring them is my favorite thing

[sharp meteor]

egirl stocks been trending downwards for a while now

[wheat jay]

not even capitilizing on egirls smh

[elfin surge]

no time for egirl im pushing my pvp rating

[full quiver]

post proof of egirl dms

[lucid walrus]

do NOT buy the dip

[warped warren]

oh you have no idea 🥰

[lucid walrus]

really should be an opt-out for playing with tanks

[wheat jay]

shut up, just pretend you don't

[sage raptor]

nerfing gdudu is fine

[lucid walrus]

also that

[near delta]

Execute and overpower are unnerfed 🦀 🦀

[lean burrow]

where

[thorn herald]

It's next phase they are unerfed

8% overpower buff 13% execute

[hazy isle]

Same... idk anyone around my age that plays wow and all my friends play cod, fifa, and fotm BRs

[lean burrow]

i can't find patchnotes

[thorn herald]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/us/dragonflight-pre-expansion-phase-2-update-notes-23874318

Remember to praise ghuun

[lean burrow]

ty

[ruby heron]

is there a guide for pre patch build for arms?

[full quiver]

If you search messages from mud he has posted his condemn build

[ruby heron]

i saw the talent thing but idk which legendary would be better

or conduit

[full quiver]

You could check his checkpvp for conduits

[ruby heron]

ty ty

[full quiver]

👍👍

[thorn herald]

im very glad my 260 ilvl ww monk outdamages my 300ilvl arms warrior

clown emojis pls

🤡

[proven maple]

My duelist geared arms condemn war barely keeps up with my unranked pvp geared dh.

Hopefully it’s just pre-patch shit

[lucid walrus]

you forgot the part where it's more durable too

[thorn herald]

more durable?

no

more mobility so i can kite and live longer yes

[thorn herald]

our damage is below par but not to the same extent it is rn on beta

at least for my hurricane build

but its nowhere near as good as monks

if they reverted the stupid fucking modifiers we would be equal to most dps i think

[lucid walrus]

probably

it's just modifiers and IP and we jump up an entire letter grade or 2

[thorn herald]

dunno if we will ever get ignore pain back

[lucid walrus]

yeah i doubt it. wishful thinking

[proven maple]

My DH is more durable lol. In literally bottom conq gear

Condemn does prop up arms somewhat decently. But hell thats gone in a couple weeks.

[lucid walrus]

i mean blur has been bugged for at least 3 years so that doesn't shock me

the fact that we're getting small buffs on beta indicates that devs know there's something wrong, just doesn't seem like they know what to do

[full quiver]

It's a feature not a bug comon

[lucid walrus]

personally i think a cool rpg element would be rolling a die like some sort of perception check to determine whether the spaghetti-coded tooltip is lying to you

[thorn herald]

the devs are grossly incompetent

lets be fair

[lucid walrus]

i would call that fair, yeah

[craggy socket]

Warrior buffs!!

[amber heron]

dh got the smallest nerfs ive ever seen

little tickle on the cheeck

they should have reduced fodder to the flame by 100%

dh is not a hybird class

[nocturne osprey]

yea it's pretty mind boggling things like bloodletting which is 6sec longer bleeds get 50% reduced in pvp or even the speed you gain from bounding stride has a pvp modifier, but things like fodder or soulrend or decimating bolt do not

it legitimately feels like some angry child went through warrior abilities and made adjustments because a warrior killed them

like somebody bothered to reduce double time from 3sec reduced charge cooldown to 2sec reduced charge cooldown in pvp

[thick reef]

This is probably what happened lol

[nocturne osprey]

like in theory that's impressive, the level of scrutiny when it comes to adjusting the power of these abilities

except that no other class has this level of scrutiny

why not adjust deathcoil to be a second shorter in pvp

or the fact that guardian moonfire hits for 30k

[undone ermine]

I'd almost buy this, but then I remember that none of the devs play their own game anymore.

[thorn herald]

yeah they were just crying about social injustices on twitter

but now they dont have that either

[thick reef]

Elon for Blizzard acquisition 2022?

[river fulcrum]

I'm thinking about running something like this for arena

What do you guys think?

maybe swap ToM/IFTK on match p

Same goes for Warbreak / BI

[thorn herald]

swap unhinged for hurricane and the reck talent for torment

30% strength is bananas

getting it twice is even more insane

and then u never have to take ToM and can keep IFTK

[river fulcrum]

Oooooh

Nice one dude

[thorn herald]

yeah to burst u avatar which procs a bladestorm into a csmash

[thorn herald]

u should probably get impending victory too

[river fulcrum]

I've been testing SW and it's been very useful

[thorn herald]

i like second wind i think its underrated

but IR is really good

[robust jolt]

is arms significantly better in pvp ?

[rare ibex]

Better than what? Answer: almost nothing

[robust jolt]

srry lmao then fury

[rare ibex]

Nah probably not 😛

I think fury is probably better than arms atm.. but it's prepatch.

I am really enjoying the throwback condemn build though. Sad to see it going away in a few weeks.

[river fulcrum]

I never liked the sound of condemn

[rare ibex]

What!>?

It's so good

[river fulcrum]

Execute feels and sounds better to me idk

[rare ibex]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thegoodfilms-film-the-big-lebowski-dude-MPuTZQqOmYKPK

[river fulcrum]

yeah ofc

🤷‍♂️

[rare ibex]

Did you like the animation?

[river fulcrum]

I did yeah

[rare ibex]

Same.. glad they replaced the execute animation with it

Where's @thorn herald with the memes

[thorn herald]

ok

[rare ibex]

[thorn herald]

low effort meme

sorry been playing my ww alt

40 ilvls lower, no legendary and popped a warlock for 32k followed by a large amount of numbers from FoF

[rare ibex]

It's a good one, 🍻

Monk is pretty strong, especially in the opener...

I mean, they ain't no DH... but who is

[thorn herald]

i find u just randomly kill people with crits off rsk and FoF r egardless of cds

[muted surge]

It’s okay, arms is saved

We are s tier now

[proven maple]

We are?!

[muted surge]

Same as ww

[muted surge]

No ofc not

[runic galleon]

are bleeds good as arms ?

thunderous roar etc.

[lucid walrus]

they’re heavily nerfed in pvp

[primal flax]

Unless you do the skullsplitter build no. Tho I think the skullsplitter build is decent. With wrecking throw can destroy dks and locks in a nice chunky burst

Damn...these 2 classes still gonna be broken XD

[steep inlet]

Affli got a giga nerf

Yesterday

But demono and havoc still OP yes

[copper hare]

What is your giga nerf, 2% less hps and 5% more damage taken?

you realise affliction has like 450k hp on beta and can dark pact for 360k? xd

[steep inlet]

?

[copper hare]

Thought you were talking about the changes to grimoire of sacrifice 2 days ago, haven't seen those

mb

[steep inlet]

[copper hare]

Interesting how lock has insane + modifier in pvp then while warrior has minus modifiers on every ability

makes sense

[muted surge]

Because warriors are op

[copper hare]

My god, arms is so fucking broken right now. How is that possible that they can just parry and avoid all my damage for 8 seconds before they die like rats? Nerf arms!!

[muted surge]

And they even heal to full while being invincible!

[thick steeple]

am i seeing some arms buffs

or am i tripping

[muted surge]

Well you have less rage and your execute hits less

[lucid walrus]

buffs are pretty mid

[thick steeple]

its a good start

[thick steeple]

no it doesn't

[lucid walrus]

but hey at least mortal got buffed by like 8% AP scaling

[muted surge]

Wdym

How does our execute not hit for less

[lucid walrus]

this looks like less to me

[muted surge]

Well, if you get 15 jug stacks it’s a 4% buff or so

[lucid walrus]

true

[muted surge]

Problem with that parchnote is

That I have no idea if that’s old or not

[thick steeple]

wdym

[muted surge]

The last few patchnotes had old and new changes

Changes that were already live

[thick steeple]

this was not live

this is from phase 2 notes

[copper hare]

he means that most of that stuff was on beta for a while already and now it gets applied to pre patch aswell

[thick steeple]

could be

but i doubt it

[copper hare]

not everything, but most

[elfin surge]

Warrior bad

[green wyvern]

we need to see Mudh

[elfin surge]

nev

[primal flax]

Oh nice missed this one

[steep inlet]

@fickle forge

[severe skiff]

Almost all those lock pvp reverts were already done awhile ago, not sure why they put them on the notes like they were new.

looks like arms just got some minor buffs, overpower MS bonus increased to 25% per stack from 20% per stack, overpower damage boost, mortal strike from 169.3% attack power to 177.7%

juggernaut stacks 15x instead of 12x

[warped warren]

gl getting 15 stacks in pvp 🤣

[severe skiff]

ye, they seem to be balancing our pve execute phase damage with stacking modifiers, allowing them to keep the baseline lower. Which screws us in pvp

[hot solstice]

check new fixes...they nerfed execute from 105% AP to 97% in general

[hot solstice]

are u gonna participate at pvp with blues today?

[elfin surge]

idk what that even is

[hot solstice]

https://www.wowhead.com/ru/blue-tracker/topic/us/pvp-with-the-blues-november-11-1396485

[elfin surge]

lol maybe prob not tho

[muted surge]

We need bad players representing warrior

Not good ones

[severe skiff]

Need to make sure everyone is leaving on 5th round solo ques all throughout their solo que time period

[full quiver]

I hope dekel doesn't go

He will destroy the devs and make them nerf warrior

[cinder thorn]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/1TwawACajSAIGk5hDoCcnhGNX5aRWg9RA8AhkgUR0sA/https/media.tenor.com/VMoJQohQVCsAAAPo/monkey-call-center.mp4

Let this guy play with blues

[undone pumice]

literally me

[past jolt]

I hate dekel

He’s a really bad Andy

[elfin surge]

[past jolt]

I don’t like him

[elfin surge]

a lot dont

[muted surge]

muds fault

[elfin surge]

how

he shit talked every r1 in the game when he was playing with a tank

[muted surge]

you incited the server to hate him

:<

[elfin surge]

he did that on his own by coming in here and spamming garbage

until he got banned

[sly walrus]

[elfin surge]

Mud is a one off season 2 Gladiator. I havent even heard of him before until Shadowlands. He isn't a real warrior on the level of Magnusz, Smexxin, or even Joefernandez hell even swifty XD Mud is just a necro reroller and average at best he doesnt do anything special or different from your average warrior Watch when warrior gets nerfed and you will never hear of mud again he will never get another gladiator hes inflated rank 1 he mashed execute to 2800

[sly walrus]

Why does PvP get all the bans when pve gets the same trolls and is moderated

[severe skiff]

Looks like he forgot to mention Fury main

[sly walrus]

Yeah big time fury main

[muted surge]

tbh

i never heardd of mud

[icy vector]

hey guys, any high rated streamers playing solo shuffle on live or beta ?

[muted surge]

i dont think there is any

[twilit ridge]

Mud is a one off season 2 Gladiator. I havent even heard of him before until Shadowlands. He isn't a real warrior on the level of Magnusz, Smexxin, or even Joefernandez hell even swifty XD Mud is just a necro reroller and average at best he doesnt do anything special or different from your average warrior Watch when warrior gets nerfed and you will never hear of mud again he will never get another gladiator hes inflated rank 1 he mashed execute to 2800

[muted surge]

mud streamed like few days ago

can prob watch is vod

[twilit ridge]

I love Mud

[wheat jay]

We're like post-war germany

Can't have power, cant have good stuff, cuz we did bad things years ago

But one day we'll have power again

[thorn herald]

Anytime I hear joefernandes I think of the trilogy of unlisted bear pvp videos about him https://youtu.be/f-Vy1E9HzL8

Delete druids

[sage raptor]

@elfin surge how's prot in df?

[elfin surge]

[thorn herald]

prot gamers rise up

[muted surge]

prot gamers get banned

[sage raptor]

Because it's so good

[full quiver]

Mud is a one off season 2 Gladiator. I havent even heard of him before until Shadowlands. He isn't a real warrior on the level of Magnusz, Smexxin, or even Joefernandez hell even swifty XD Mud is just a necro reroller and average at best he doesnt do anything special or different from your average warrior Watch when warrior gets nerfed and you will never hear of mud again he will never get another gladiator hes inflated rank 1 he mashed execute to 2800

[wheat crane]

Mud is a one off season 2 Gladiator. I havent even heard of him before until Shadowlands. He isn't a real warrior on the level of Magnusz, Smexxin, or even Joefernandez hell even swifty XD Mud is just a necro reroller and average at best he doesnt do anything special or different from your average warrior Watch when warrior gets nerfed and you will never hear of mud again he will never get another gladiator hes inflated rank 1 he mashed execute to 2800

[sage raptor]

Mud is a one off season 2 Gladiator. I havent even heard of him before until Shadowlands. He isn't a real warrior on the level of Magnusz, Smexxin, or even Joefernandez hell even swifty XD Mud is just a necro reroller and average at best he doesnt do anything special or different from your average warrior Watch when warrior gets nerfed and you will never hear of mud again he will never get another gladiator hes inflated rank 1 he mashed execute to 2800

[elfin surge]

is that better than this one?

Magnuz would put Mud in the mud if they ever 1v1d real talk. Mud is an ok warrior but he’s not on the level of Bageeraz or Swifty talking about TBC / wotlk days. I find it hilarious that all thse zoomers look up to the current top warriors but trust if these warriors were to play vs old school warriors like klinda, swifty, baggeeraz, etc no shot.

[full quiver]

I hate mud

Oops wrong chat

Dekel would put Mud in the mud if they ever 1v1d real talk. Mud is an ok warrior but he’s not on the level of Bageeraz or Swifty talking about TBC / wotlk days. I find it hilarious that all thse zoomers look up to the current top warriors but trust if these warriors were to play vs old school warriors like klinda, swifty, baggeeraz, etc no shot.

[hot solstice]

nah, I am just avarage Palumor fan....guess Palu didnt want to play outlaw fury with Mud for a reason

[elfin surge]

CUZ IM BAD

[hot solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/yogiibutt-astro92-monster-energy-drink-gif-23757823

Calm down, here’s ur monster

[sage raptor]

Low carb too

[thorn herald]

lol

[elfin surge]

wtf is that low carb garbage

[fickle forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/828383688135409674/1040684184982790274/image.png

[elfin surge]

TOO REAL

[hot solstice]

Less carb - less chance to fat finger

[twilit ridge]

Mud is a one off season 2 Gladiator. I havent even heard of him before until Shadowlands. He isn't a real warrior on the level of Magnusz, Smexxin, or even Joefernandez hell even swifty XD Mud is just a necro reroller and average at best he doesnt do anything special or different from your average warrior Watch when warrior gets nerfed and you will never hear of mud again he will never get another gladiator hes inflated rank 1 he mashed execute to 2800

[mystic barn]

Said nobody ever

[nova crown]

hey is the rated solo que working for you guys? it keeps putting me in que for the brawl

[thorn herald]

It's name is bugged but it's still rss

[elfin surge]

guys i think arms warrior might be bad rn

[wheat jay]

You stealing cunt

[fickle forge]

You didn't post it, so I did

[wheat jay]

Skyhold is undeserving of memes too many whiners

[spice hornet]

This is a really good one

Set subtle

Very*

Do people in rated shuffle get mad when you zone in as arms? I haven’t played yet but I am aware of arms dams lacking

[copper hare]

People insta write "dude why you que as arms warrior you ruin the game"

[sly walrus]

dude why que as mud warrior you ruin the game

[proven maple]

Magnuz would put Mud in the mud if they ever 1v1d real talk. Mud is an ok warrior but he’s not on the level of Bageeraz or Swifty talking about TBC / wotlk days. I find it hilarious that all thse zoomers look up to the current top warriors but trust if these warriors were to play vs old school warriors like klinda, swifty, baggeeraz, etc no shot.

people who list bageeraz have to be trolling?!

he is the top r1 warrior every season I think?

[lucid walrus]

i haven’t seen this but there’s often a dh rambling about “carrying” or whatever as if they aren’t immortal and capable of infinite damage

[proven maple]

dh is an actual abomination right now, people who die on it are actual hard int'ng, boost one send it unranked conq gear and see

[lucid walrus]

deadass just might

i got a warrior from 1-40 in 4.5hrs /played last night

[copper hare]

I literally made the legendary first day of pre patch, queued 2 shuffles and logged out because it was so boring, Idk how some dh can spam queue with that shit for 12h per day

[proven maple]

I did just that this week, it's pumping 10k dps and never dies, meanwhile my warrior has to sweep all his condemns in full duelist gear to do that

you're never the kill target on the dh lol, people just ignore you cuz they all know you won't die

ludicrous, wonder if it'll be better at 70>>>>

[lucid walrus]

i’m gonna grind one to 60 nonstop so blur gets nerfed bc blizzard likes pushing changes whenever i alt something

[proven maple]

do it then pls, for s1 balance

[lucid walrus]

but yeah it’s bonkers. 20% magic wall, bugged blur, leech, absurd damage

[proven maple]

almost as much healing as aff locks, who are the strongest healer in game

lol

[copper hare]

yeah no thats a lie xd

[lucid walrus]

aff randomly domes you w/ drain soul man what gives

[proven maple]

my god the 1.2 second death log of 4x35k drain soul ticks

[lucid walrus]

20k ticks off rip

[proven maple]

love those

[lucid walrus]

they had the chance to do the funniest shit ever if this was on live

[fickle forge]

Stop

[wheat crane]

This ones just horrendous, other ones funny at least

[unkempt oak]

hearing arms survivability in dragonflight arena is the lowest out of all the specs

[sharp meteor]

arms is like a trash mob

another season of being a 40% ms bot

[lucid walrus]

got mine to like 2050 before getting tanks, dhs and locks constantly

[unkempt oak]

does bitter immunity not work as intended? It does not remove anything when using it in pvp.

[lucid walrus]

dunno if it works but it’s kind of a pile of shit regardless

[unkempt oak]

ya

[lucid walrus]

3min cd for a 20% heal affected by MS, doesn’t even do what revival does when it dispels you

[unkempt oak]

its weird dying instantly even though we got alot of things added to our kit

we def need some love for pvp

[severe skiff]

They need to do something about the dead talent that is defensive stance

[unkempt oak]

right

[severe skiff]

and if fury gets warpaint arms should get something similar

[unkempt oak]

like make it a passive or something

should stack

[wheat jay]

no

[unkempt oak]

from what im seeing dmg isnt really the issue, its that we get nuked too easily

2s or 3s you will be the target 9/10 times and wont survive an opener

[warped warren]

WHAT LOL

🤣

[copper hare]

well it's not removing bleeds anymore

[unkempt oak]

its not removing any warlock debuffs or rouge debuffs. I am not sure if im reading the talent wrong or if it actually doesnt work.

[copper hare]

I mean with blizzard it's like a box of chocolate

you never know what you gonna get

[unkempt oak]

truth

[craggy socket]

Fuck demon hunters

[warped warren]

no balls

[sharp meteor]

wow tank shuffles are so awful just 6 rounds of a bear doing 40k dps and beating the shit out of somebody who queued as blood by mistake

tanks just make everything so awful

[muted surge]

is it now 2 tanks per game?

i thought its only 1

[copper hare]

next week

[sharp meteor]

next week tank participation probs falls off like 80%

[wheat jay]

Do it pussy

[nocturne osprey]

somebody should pin this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLLWpT_nsTE

dont think that design philosophy changed

[muted surge]

still a missed opportuniy

[craggy socket]

I love how enhance gets a 25% nerf to damage and DHs are untouched

Who hates shamans at blizzard lol

[raw summit]

They nerfed dh but ok

[craggy socket]

Lmao when

Tiring of queuing into nothing but dh

[raw summit]

Pve nerfs ;)

Pvp is a minigame they dont care

[lean burrow]

just kite

warrior will become kiting class

[craggy socket]

🫣

[unkempt oak]

Turn charge into “retreat”

[lean burrow]

war banner should become "white flag"

[muted surge]

Just the problem that every class now has range shit and can actual kite

While warrior can only throw the „heroic“ throw that does 1k dmg :D

[steep inlet]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xqur3P4FCY2xuEG2D6GjQ4I4UukY0K1JGPtIYBMrLac/https/i.gyazo.com/62fff6adbf5354856d93fa653a2d9a77.png

DH is fine :)

(ranked 3s)

[tribal wedge]

legit imo

[cinder thorn]

Yeah so fine one of them can afk whilst other out dps the whole enemy team

[steep inlet]

We killed the first giga fast with wings and shield charge hoj combo

And the other did 2v3 ggs

3 millions rofl

[tribal wedge]

you were arms?

[steep inlet]

prot with my dps build

shield charge etc

[thorn herald]

prot meta pre patch pvp spec

confirmed

[sage raptor]

not wrong. Its pretty juicy

[thorn herald]

told the one blue who was pvping on beta to unnerf mortal strike

😎

we're gonna make it boys

[obtuse musk]

arms solo shuffle with tanks...so stupid

[lean burrow]

were you polite?

or are we gonna get nuked with nerf after "hey dipshit buff mortal strike NOOW"

[thorn herald]

i was polite

[lean burrow]

[tardy flame]

Go 3/4 wins, gain 0 rating. 4+ wins, someone leaves. Tank queue, get destroyed 0/1 wins, lose 100+ rating. The system works

[sharp meteor]

warlock hotfixed but not dh cringe cringe cringe

[thorn herald]

lol

nerf to fervor of battle

based

[fickle forge]

The fuck?

[lean burrow]

maybe it's for healing received?

like druid hots you and goes out of los

[clear wharf]

anyone got a sec? ned quewstion regaring heroic throw

[lean burrow]

I shall aid thee with thy inquiry, friend

[cinder thorn]

Maybe it's so when the lock dots you up and you go around pillar it still works

[sinful garnet]

Hey so I'm a new Fury Player and am returning to WoW for DF, last played briefly in BFA and before that Wrath. Looking to finally get into Fury PvP and am looking for some guidance on my build.

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DAQEVRUVEEQUVQggEAEAOVVFVUREEVAIFAEBQ

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DAQEVRUVEEQUVQggEAEAOVVFVUREEVAIFAEBQ

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/dragonflight-talent-calculator#1--72$ijhgLfWVtmuBACTw1xzJnSSRaaI+fjRilkhQdvuqzPaNyxposDDFt|

These are three builds I've been thinking about and of course am open to anything else would love some thoughts.

Looking for a build for RBG/BG and 3s with a Ret Pally and Disc Priest

[graceful ginkgo]

https://twitter.com/trillebartom/status/1591370230692995072?s=20&t=lVN4T3JYaoSSE1UCAhhb-w

Trillebartom (@trillebartom)

Updated tier list for racials in Dragonflight PvP arena:

Orcs can pick another crafted item and still get 10% value from their racial.
Orc might be S tier but I put it on high A, unsure how good the other crafted item is
(did anyone do the math?)

Twitter · Nov 12, 2022, 10:00 AM

[sharp meteor]

buff vulp

[undone pumice]

shut up fox

[lament osprey]

so... I have my 229 honor pvp gear set, where do I start to play pvp?

[fickle forge]

Uuuuh

Yeah about that dude

[sharp meteor]

okay imma be real

just don't until expansion

[lament osprey]

figured that

there isn't a single mode I can play without getting onetapped

[sharp meteor]

it's just a bit of an awkward spot because gearing is a headache

and they're about to hard wipe gear with expansion so

[lament osprey]

can't even learn the new talents in pre patch, cuse no gear

[sharp meteor]

ya also cov/leggo stuff still works

[full quiver]

Go play beta

Can't you get gear easier there?

[full quiver]

Lol wow

[thorn herald]

The only thing hard for my monk alt ATM is solo shuffle

Otherwise monk does everything warrior does but better

[sharp meteor]

i feel like fury gonna be good in df

[thorn herald]

It's good in df rn

[undone pumice]

is this in general or for woyer?

[fickle forge]

Fury isn't a real spec

[graceful ginkgo]

idk, i guess trill made a general list

[sharp meteor]

presumably general

will be nice to play shitpick race alts now

[undone pumice]

fury is third dh spec

[lean burrow]

wolf-furries D tier?

i thought they had movespeed boost

unlike something like nightborne or draenei

[sharp meteor]

40% every 2 minutes is eh

feels nicer with freedom/bladestorm

if it suppressed slows it'd be decent

[sage raptor]

Id rather have it than not have it if I played alliance

What mobility does warr have? Charge/intervene and leap?

[lean burrow]

execute charge

[fickle forge]

Warr is super mobile tbh

[graceful ginkgo]

I wonder if Human is srsly low B tier, the rest does make sense

[fickle forge]

Human was good with rele, but now everyone has rele

I'd still consider it a solid A though

[graceful ginkgo]

Jeah

[muted surge]

what makes nelf s tier?

[graceful ginkgo]

I don’t find Nelf > Human/Orc for melee either, but then again it’s a general list

[sage raptor]

what a shit list lol

[severe skiff]

Nelf is overrated, most people aren't capable of getting great value out of it

[keen coral]

Just shadowmeld, it's one of the most flexible and highest potential racials out there, but it's also difficult to make use of so I'm not sure I'd agree with it being S tier for MOST players. If you're already very good at the game and can get great value out of melding important CC or burst, then it's great.

[graceful ginkgo]

orc was s tier for everyone cus passive, nelf idk

[sage raptor]

rocket boots is at least B tier

[graceful ginkgo]

goblin looks are z tier

at best

so ^^

[severe skiff]

Dark iron dwarf and gnome are going to be the easiest for most people to get value out of it, as far as warrior goes

[graceful ginkgo]

priests look really fucking strong, so dwarves will be good

mindgames everywhere

[sage raptor]

people who care about racials dont care about looks. Thats why everyone went orc.

if they cared they wouldnt be orc

[graceful ginkgo]

jeah I know, jk

[sage raptor]

no

im tilted

[graceful ginkgo]

goblin is still worse than most

[sage raptor]

for sure

[keen coral]

5 out of 7 healers bring roots now, compared to 2 out of 6 from SL. Not even taking into account any roots added to DPS, we'll be playing against a lot more roots in DF. My warrior is hands down gonna be a gnome for that reason...and because they look funny af

[graceful ginkgo]

play ret warr, get ret to freedom you, be orc with 2 dps crafted items

[severe skiff]

The problem with that is there seems to be only one competitive craft item really, which is the neck with proc, which comes at the cost of ilvl but may still be worth it if it's not nerfed in pvp

the pvp crafted effects are absolute dogshit other than maybe the cloth one

[graceful ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/165298857511616514/1041068541044072548/image.png

i'd have to log into beta to see if the plate ones are identical

that right there is 1300 vers proc

[severe skiff]

that's one of the pve crafted effects, not sure what ilvl those cap out at

the high vers proc was from enemy death

[muted surge]

rn 404 or so

[graceful ginkgo]

lemme check

[severe skiff]

there has to be two extremely broken effects for orc to gain some power back, only one strong crafted piece and every other race can still use it, not all armor types use the same slot as their 5% piece I think

[graceful ginkgo]

which is the "one" you are referring to? neck?

[severe skiff]

I think neck has the multi sockets and a stat proc

idr tho

[graceful ginkgo]

mail and plate have the 5% on boots, idk about cloth/leather

[muted surge]

multi socket can be on every neck

not pve only

[graceful ginkgo]

item level in beta shows 408 - 418

so 418 max i guess

[severe skiff]

also isn't 648 of a secondary really low in DF at 70? as in how much % you gain from that rating

I know its doubled if you wear another crafted pve piece?

[graceful ginkgo]

e.g. one of the pvp 9/9 rings has 750ish vers

753

those 753 are about 3.5% vers

so 1300 would be like, what, 6% vers? roughly

[severe skiff]

around there I guess

to get the double stat you need to wear a second pve crafted piece?

[graceful ginkgo]

you need to use a so called toxified armor patch

[severe skiff]

also worth noting that you lose 258/516 of another secondary, so not like you're getting that vers bonus with no drawbacks, diminishes the gain a bit

is that like an enchant type item? like armor kits used to be?

[graceful ginkgo]

and idk where you'd get that tbh

could be, jeah

[severe skiff]

seems to just be an optional crafting reagent you use when making the item itself

so if you craft those boots using the optional reagent its just boosted

[graceful ginkgo]

that's what I am thinking, too, I am crafting noob...cant find the respective item on the beta server

[severe skiff]

Well assuming there are no other drawbacks that's like 6% versa at the cost of 2.5%ish crit or mastery or haste depending on how you gear I suppose and lower ilvl giving you lower str and lower secondary budget (not by much)

could math into BIS but doesn't appear like it will really be that much

[graceful ginkgo]

will then depend on if you value that higher than 5% longer in some CCs (esp. as orc with 20% stun redux)

[tribal wedge]

does someone got a list of craftitem effect (other than the 5% reduce CC) i don't find it :/

[severe skiff]

Plate seems to be: 5% trinket cc reduction boost and Chance on taking damage to inflict a 7k bleed over 6sec on enemy. As far as the two pvp pieces

[graceful ginkgo]

there's a bleed proc on getting hit for helmets

jeah

[tribal wedge]

thx

[graceful ginkgo]

there's a pve belt with a frost dmg proc

[severe skiff]

The neck one was a stat proc, 429 stat matching your gem for 12sec

[graceful ginkgo]

some recipes might be missing in beta because leather has 2 set craftable items

plate doesnt

hmm the item with the buff to highest stat might be mail-only ^_°

[frank knoll]

No more bladestorm?? we have that garbage Oden‘s fury crap now

[severe skiff]

I'm pretty sure all armor types have diff ones, and that frost proc belt was high damage early in the beta but I think they nerfed it a lot. unless there was a frost enchant and that is what I'm thinking of

arms has bladestorm, fury does not

[frank knoll]

Yeah if I play warr it’ll be arms for PvP

Need that cc immunity

[gloomy beacon]

good luck

[thick reef]

Is arms truly as shit as supatease made it sound in his tier list vid?

In beta, not live

[muted surge]

who tf is supatease

[graceful ginkgo]

the uptime on this seems to be about 33%

[severe skiff]

It's just lacking damage, which is a pretty important aspect. Doesn't mean it doesn't have shortcomings elsewhere but its hurting bad for meaningful damage

[tawdry tide]

PVP talents/cove ofr arms warr?

nvm

[tawdry tide]

jaithys or gavel for arm

[copper hare]

it's lacking survivability more than damage, dmg isnt even bad on beta

[undone pumice]

gavel

[patent musk]

every "tier list" right now is just click bait, you cant believe in any tier shit thing ATM

[green wyvern]

I wouldn't call them baits, they reflect current state of beta pretty well

[wheat jay]

Problem is some specs are barely played

Snupy made his tierlist and he said he faced ONE arms

How can you do you a tierlist video after facing a spec once

[copper hare]

ya because it's frustrating to play arms on beta, everything globals you. Most just queued fury because you can actually live

[wheat jay]

Ye but its worthless to include it in your tierlist if you havent played it and only faced one

Especially when its beta and people test every build xD

[patent musk]

as i said, dont trust tier list, have no sense what so ever

[wheat jay]

Yep

[green wyvern]

There is still tuning to be done

[wheat jay]

Yep²

[copper hare]

yeah just saying, there is a lot of truth to arms being the bottom melee spec right now, but tier lists are usually useless so early yeah

[wheat jay]

It is bottom due to dmg tuning

[green wyvern]

Blizzard buffs/nerfs specs day before mythic race to world first starts

They don't care

[copper hare]

thats the funny part

[wheat jay]

Cuz pvp is a side content

A minigame

[copper hare]

normal/hc/mythic will be released the same week now

[patent musk]

Arms is gonna be just fine, im sure

[copper hare]

Fury looks pretty decent rn. And if fury gets any kind of single target buffs due to pve, it's probably back to s tier imo

[green wyvern]

For sure

[patent musk]

is like Rets, in the discord the only thing you read is massive crying, but in reallity they are fine, actually you pump in pvp and pve, arms is gonna be the same

[green wyvern]

Rets have been crying since forever

[patent musk]

Fury is going to be a little better IMO, but that dosnt make Arms inviable

[wheat jay]

Warriors still mentally broken after nerf to dstance

[patent musk]

true that, and the spec pumps

Dstance was a deserved nerf

[green wyvern]

I don't know if you guys remember but Savix made a ret support group before SL release to talk with Asmon and show how bad ret is

[copper hare]

the first one yea, the second one was just stupid

[green wyvern]

Then ret completely demolished everyone in S1

[wheat jay]

Overall, yes, for s2, absolutely, for s3 where everyone got double dmg, not really

[hollow walrus]

any like guide i can read to learn how to fury war pvp i suck 🙂

[green wyvern]

Dstance nerf is just warrior paying for crimes comitted in S1/S2

[wheat jay]

Sadly it was nerfed after s2

[copper hare]

Nerfing the damage taken of d stance was necessary, nerfing the damage done was hidious

[wheat jay]

Tbh its still very strong

On demand 10% wall

20/20 was the best wall in the game

Most reliable

[patent musk]

Build to rampage, then rampage xD

[wheat jay]

Infinite duration

[copper hare]

on demand 20% less dmg output so you can delay games

[hollow walrus]

i die before anything

[copper hare]

Make it 15-15% and it would be perfect imo

[patent musk]

gear?

[wheat jay]

Not rly

[copper hare]

but any kind of d stance buff would also favor fury, unless they only buff it for arms

[wheat jay]

20/20 was the safest skill in the gsme

Which imo was just bad

It made it so that warrior was NEVER the kill target no matter the Comp

Cuz he'd just keep it for 1min until his cds were back

[patent musk]

Pre Release Content just started a download for me guys, check it

[green wyvern]

so true lmao

[wheat jay]

20/10 forces you to play offensively while still providing a lot of value in crucial moments

[hollow walrus]

full honor gear some conquest but does getting full conquest make that big of a diff

[wheat jay]

70% of the games I had in s2 warriors were perma sitting dstance

Dstance was literally pussy stance

[patent musk]

i play no dtance, i die like a viking spiting and cursing

[green wyvern]

Sitting perma def stance versus jungle (when you dont have parry) was legit BIS gameplay

It was stupid

[wheat jay]

Dstance was like shield on blink for mage

Stupidly strong

Too consistent too easy zero risk giga reward

[patent musk]

guide atm are kinda bad, check icyveins or the pre patch guides on wowhead

[lucid walrus]

blows my mind how it took mages a year and a half to run blink

[green wyvern]

They didn't have to run blink before

Cus they were unkillable

[wheat jay]

They had to in s3 cuz it was too busted with their anti cc trinket lol

Got stunned, blinks, immune to next cc

No downsides

[green wyvern]

Dumbest trinket design ever

[wheat jay]

Nah

It was fun to play against it as survi xd

[green wyvern]

It was on such a short cd when it came out first

[wheat jay]

Never lost a game against healer playing it hehe

For warr it was whatever too

[green wyvern]

Fury warr = return to monke, dont care about no cc

[copper hare]

what about corruption trinket in bfa

xd

[patent musk]

second wind in pvp is meh?

[wheat jay]

Dumbest imo was resonator xd

[wheat jay]

Useless

[patent musk]

BG not arenas

[wheat jay]

In bgs maybe after fight

[patent musk]

pain and gain have you try it or is shit to?

[merry valley]

It blows my mind how dks get passive dmg reduction when low

Yet secondwind from mop is offlimits

[copper hare]

seems to be better than the conduit, idk if it was nerfed

[wheat jay]

Mop 2nd wind was busted iirc

[merry valley]

Id tAke a nerfed version any day

[patent musk]

DK´s are busted, will see after SL things go bye bye

[wheat jay]

Would suck ass in current iteration of wow

[patent musk]

like DH´s, will have to see without conduits and shit

[wheat jay]

Would be useless into any burst comp

[merry valley]

Fury with trance + bt kinda has 2nd wind

[wheat jay]

If you're below 30% and healer doesnt insta top you you're dead

Meaning old 2nd wind would not save you against any burst comp in 3s

[patent musk]

Bitter Immunity meaby can save our asses

[hollow walrus]

does fury need a healer to be able to do anything

[patent musk]

for like 3 secs xD

[merry valley]

Bitter immunity

Is a joke

[patent musk]

no

[wheat jay]

Also iirc dampening ramps up faster now so 2nd wind would lose even more value

[merry valley]

That is true

[hollow walrus]

going into 2s with windwalker and i just die after using everything to heal me i cant survive while fighting

[sage raptor]

based

[copper hare]

slaughterhouse is gonna be even more disgusting now in 2s/3s

[merry valley]

Ww fists parry

Is as dumb

As bladedance dodge

[wheat jay]

Instead of wack 2nd wind id rather have old enraged regen on warrior

On demand heal and then hot for few seconds

That would be useful, but then again impending victory is similar to it

[patent musk]

slaughter is so lovely

best thing made by Blizz

[merry valley]

I dont like dstance tbh, i dont find on demand defensives like dstance blood presence or going bear healthy ar all

[copper hare]

I wonder if they leave charge like that now or if they try to fix it, double time baseline now and it feels absolutely disgusting

need 2 charges sometimes to connect to someone because the enemy target moves 20 yards during your charge

[patent musk]

talking about disgusting, Prot PvP xD

[copper hare]

and then warbringer hits nothing

[sage raptor]

its sooo good

and fun

[wheat jay]

Cuz theyre not

[patent musk]

Spear or Thunderous Roar?

[wheat jay]

They promote being dumb cuz when you fuck up you can just use your on demand 0 cd wall to save you or give healer more time to do it

[sage raptor]

ur mom

[patent musk]

as Fury

[copper hare]

on beta or live?

[wheat jay]

ur nan

[sage raptor]

ur dad

[patent musk]

looking to DF

[copper hare]

spear

[wheat jay]

is ded

[patent musk]

ur Nana

[sage raptor]

ur bald headed gran

https://tenor.com/view/mudfish-oooh-ooooh-fish-gif-20781458

[wheat jay]

also ded

[patent musk]

ur cat

[copper hare]

spear/ravager combo is disgusting as fury, can burst for 60-70k on beta

ravager feels awkward as fuck though

RIP bladestorm

[patent musk]

damn, i love Odyns

[copper hare]

you can play odyns. You either play ravager/onslaught or ravager/odyns

[patent musk]

ravager/odyns/spear

[merry valley]

Replacing dstance with something that works into melle, oposed to how spell reflect works, like a 40s cd that giver 3s of retaliation

[wheat jay]

Imo would be good

But then again

There's parry

Which is pretty much that minus the reflection of dmg

[merry valley]

But ill second what u said

Old enrage regen + parry for both specs

Would be ideal

All other dps specs that share a class share defensives, less warriors

[copper hare]

maybe in 4 years war gets something else

[muted surge]

bring back weapon swapping for shieldwall

[wheat jay]

No

It was dumb

Just another macro with nothing to bring into the game

[muted surge]

more about reducing our dmg while having more def

[elder wigeon]

it adds flavor, but I don't want weapon swapping, stance swapping is enough

[copper hare]

dual wielding two shields

im up for that

slamming people left n right

[muted surge]

problem for me is rather that parry does nothing

against most classes

just hopeing that they change def stance in pvp

[copper hare]

trying to pre parry against rmp when mage has dragons breath on a 18 sec cd

[hazy isle]

I dont think theyre crying about not pumping or dam. Which are fine, mostly about mobility/utility i think. Tbf their talents are kinda boring, Ours got a much better treatment imo

[burnt glen]

I’m new here, just coming back for df. The FAQ is outdated right? It mentions arms being the best pvp spec but everything else I see says fury is the best.

[sage raptor]

it brings shieldswapping

I want a viable sword and board dps knight spec and the closest we have is prot

[wheat jay]

Glad stance

I wish it came back 😦

[dusk cargo]

Everyday I pray for glad stance to return

[wheat jay]

Was fun

Was strong

That's all

[copper hare]

I remember glad stance getting hard nerfed after 1 week and a dead talent in pve, was it still good in pvp?

only played s3/s4 pvp in wod

[short flax]

do you guys think this will be a decent starter build for df? (70 bleed/execute)

[merry valley]

anger management is a must i believe

for skullspliter windows

[primal flax]

Yeah it is

[sharp meteor]

ui must be bugged it's showing you as arms lol respec fury

[keen coral]

Didn't see anybody answer you, but yes, FAQ is very outdated, esp now that we're in prepatch. Fury was best for all of S3/S4, and it definitely feels better than Arms at the moment on pre-patch.

[primal flax]

Id do this instead, maybe swapping roar for spear depending on how much that extra bleed dmg and duration adds to the burst. If spear does more id take the crit buff

[merry valley]

this for sure

[keen coral]

I think exhilarating blows is terrible and should be dropped for a point in Fatality, but other than that, almost exactly what I intend to run

[primal flax]

Yeah imma test more on launch but this my general idea atm

[keen coral]

MS just doesn't fuckin do anything at the moment, esp not without any prowess stacks if you're using it back to back. Fatality is like the only reason I can end games atm on the prepatch, and you'll likely be able to stack it even more reliably if the game slows down enough with the 40% hp buff at 70

[primal flax]

Well when armor values change i think it's gonna hit much harder im still getting 20k+ crits with it in arena. Bc rn armor is like 20% higher than it will be at 70

[keen coral]

I've tested a lot on beta and MS hasn't felt impactful once, but I have not played since the most recent buffs so perhaps it will be different. Plus I imagine we'll see some more pvp buffs to MS near season 1 start with how bad it is rn

[primal flax]

Yeah it already got buffed in latest one so they looking at it

So did execute

Tbh I think im leaning into spear bc having that magic dmg to get through physical immunity is nice

But having that 13 second kick is AWESOME especially with dmg increase

[copper hare]

But spear is physical

[primal flax]

Oh I could have sworn at one point it did arcane lmao. Maybe I'm just thinking of the magic dmg of condem and figured spear also had magic

[copper hare]

yeah in SL, it's physical in DF

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/03d773fbc32dd8948f154f8a8299ee10

solo shuffle btw LOL

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/6d83cbb52993f05f09024a93851f58ff

[sharp meteor]

oh well at least they're sorting out a lot of bugs now

and putting tanks in as dps which'll probably drop their participation by like 90%

[copper hare]

love how they put in korraks revenge and instead deleted normal solo shuffle by mistake

10/10

[primal flax]

Small indie company

[graceful ginkgo]

could be intended

[fickle forge]

Think you'll ultra rage cap with this build, with no way to dumpster it

[spice hornet]

This is how your average wrath pvper looks like no cap

Week 3 of arena in wrath and this dude has betrayer as an arms warrior

[spice hornet]

Fucking kek holy shit

How does that even happen

[graceful ginkgo]

well, he's persistent, gotta give him that

[marble bone]

How on earth do those potatoes get 2k rating, I just lose rating after 1.8k if I dont win like 4-5 rounds 😩

I wonder how many games they’ve played lol

[steep inlet]

went 2280 as arms in soloQ

Was atrocious experience

Harder than Glad games

Everybody focus you + no dmg

[graceful ginkgo]

2k as ret, not many games tbh

mmr and rating seem fucked

but it's prolly fine come live because right now you often have like one guy at 2400, one at 500 and yourself

which is stupid ofc

2280 as arms is crazy good

if you get multiple DH in your game, you might as well logout at the moment xD

[steep inlet]

ngl i got mad in some games

anyway fury is a lot better, even in beta

fury is B-A tier

Arms like F

[graceful ginkgo]

i kinda hope those tiers switch

fury is obnoxious

[marble bone]

Ye i hate fury

[steep inlet]

fuck fury yep, fed up since s3

[fickle forge]

I'll continue to play arms on 1400

Cba playing fury

[worn yoke]

For fury pvp, should you macro avatar and reck together? Or use them separately?

[hard hound]

separately

[worn yoke]

Ok thanks 👍

[wheat jay]

i at least hope you'll play good build

and not cry "REEEEEE IM NOT PLAYING X TALENT CUZ ITS BORING"

[fickle forge]

It's arms

They're all bad builds

[warped warren]

LMA

[muted surge]

maybe "lick my ass"

[marble bone]

Maybe lmfao is too long for the kids now

So they shorten that to LMA

[warped warren]

😏

[warped warren]

soon its just gonna be a common L

[marble bone]

Just communicate with emojis

[fickle forge]

They do on Tinder already

[marble bone]

Never used it :/

https://tenor.com/view/scp1730-writing-glyphs-cryptid-gif-17221470

Thats us just with emojis soon

[fickle forge]

Telling ya, it's already in motion

[solemn dock]

cant wait to not level my warri at launch because arms is the equivalent of piper perri in that picture with the 5 black dudes behind her

[merry valley]

still 2 weeks to launch and another 2 for season start, lots can change in 1 month

lol queue for solo shuffle poped as i acepted elevator in oribos 2 loading screns for inside arena and out, lost 100 rating

insane script

[marble bone]

Cha lvling the first week anyways, just do profs and make a literal fortune

And then level the two characters I always level at launch; my trusty warrior and dk

[warped warren]

thats what i do on discord

[copper hare]

the difference is, she probably enjoyed it at least

[solemn dock]

or the money from the shoot

how come i dont get paid when i get destroyed?

[warped warren]

same 😔

[marble bone]

Life choices

[wheat jay]

born wrong sex

could have been easy mode with onlyfans ;__;

[thorn escarp]

Why does bloodthirst and exacute do 0 dmg in pvp it tickles

As fury

[marble bone]

Big market for guys aswell, just got to not care that its mostly dudes that wants to see you 🤷‍♂️

I have too much pride to sink that low though

[undone pumice]

you see

just dont have pride

or just be gay

[wheat jay]

money tho

[marble bone]

Exactly, thats how its easy mode, dont have pride

I just torture people with a needle and ink, and make more than enough money that way

[wheat jay]

nice

do you torture yourself too?

[undone pumice]

torture implies they dont want it

[wheat jay]

i wouldn't want a tattoo from a wow player either

[marble bone]

Done some tattoos on my self ye, looks absolute shit (I was the first person I tattood, to put it that way)

I guess you could sell feet pics though

[lean burrow]

why tho

is one cd enough to bait cds?

[sharp meteor]

press reck, mage uses frost nova, ava to break it