pvp

[fickle forge]

Looking for the non existent build discussion as the reality sets in that 99.99999% of the discord isn’t going to post their own build and discuss but rather are simply waiting for a icy veins post so they can update “their” builds how disappointing

[scarlet barn]

HAHA

Gold

EVERY SINGLE DAY

@earnest stone Thanks mate made my evening

[formal creek]

did anyone manage to copy retail keybindings to beta lvl 70 toons? i could do it to lvl 60 copies but not lvl 70 template ones

[worldly snow]

This seems like a fun pasta, but I just wanna play fury cause it seems to be doing better both in retail/beta (plus two big weapons look cooler than one)

Also idk how to build i'm pretty new to war

[thorn herald]

that is a hot take

[sage raptor]

lmao sure bud

[velvet grail]

im not getting wise on this solo shuffle..I just won a 6 rounds match..And got no rating.. I havent queued for "random unrated shuffle" only rated the whole night.. known bug or can anyone shine a light on it

Aswell as i only got honor, no conq what so ever..

[thorn herald]

If you were on the maldraxxus arena it's bugged

[sharp meteor]

maldraxxus arena coded as skirm and has you in a raid group or something

potentially fixed with reset as they're addressing other things

[cinder thorn]

Why would anyone get rating when there is no season?

Is it meant to have a rating of its own?

[thorn herald]

You can gain rating for gear upgrades

[sharp meteor]

ur fryin me right now tankboi

[velvet grail]

i mean im getting rating atleast. Got into one now and lost some

[sharp meteor]

still a bunch of little hiccups

[cinder thorn]

Oh cool I didn't notice

[cinder thorn]

I actually have a headache right now, long day at work, followed by some well earned pvp using arms this time

I actually like the 3 different warrior playstyles, they do feel different

[sharp meteor]

hoping they can rework tanks to not be all cringe

shame to have half a dozen specs just kind of rotting

[muted surge]

Wdym rotting, few are blasting

[cinder thorn]

I don't mind honestly I just respect tanks more than 99% because I know how hard they are to play

[muted surge]

Kek

[sharp meteor]

ehhh

[thorn herald]

My only gripe with the arms tree is we can't make mortal strike a big pumper ability

Resetting is fun and all but doesn't really do it for me

[muted surge]

Well the execute thingy

Big ms hits

(Which are still small)

[thorn herald]

yes

[cinder thorn]

I think arms should be less spammy and more choppy

The execute thing resets and MS resets feel spammy which is what fury is

By design spammable abilities have to be weaker

[tulip fossil]

what are the main stats for arms in pvp ?

[sharp oar]

vers>crit>master/haste is what i'm going for

[woeful solstice]

thoughts?

arena spec

[polar pecan]

Is arms performing better then Fury in PVP?

[woeful solstice]

i hope so

i hate fury in pvp

[scarlet barn]

you dont take fear, intervene pain and gain but you take second wind?

that is lot of questionable choices on first glance

[woeful solstice]

sorry i didnt pay much attention to left side lol

[scarlet barn]

and i mentioned pain and gain only because it would prob make more sense than second wind

[woeful solstice]

i guess i shouldve mentioned

more so right side

[scarlet barn]

Well you got left side opinions too 👀

[woeful solstice]

working on the left rn for a build

me rn

[spice hornet]

Who is Mud? Is he a good warr?

[robust hearth]

Lol if any1 just go ask Swifty

[elfin surge]

no

[spice hornet]

This is good bait

Almost as good as the rogue main asking for a warrior one shot vanish macro equivalent

[full quiver]

He is well known for abusing a stat bug and queueing with tanks to rank 1

[spice hornet]

O him. Ya he’s toxic af

[primal flax]

This is the build i've been runnin with for a bit now, consistent pressure along a nice burst that chunks hp pools low and good group utility, found it really good into rogue mage comps and dks.

the vers talent i change between me chillin duelin and actual arena for better cdr otherwise i tend to choose ms dmg increase on arms tree

[raw summit]

Tf is a rouge

[primal flax]

I also sometimes take 50% deep wounds heal nets about 45-60k heals in some games

[raw summit]

This is a wow server not about make up

[primal flax]

there fixed spelling error

[raw summit]

[thorn herald]

Prot pallys are going to remain counting as healers

[rare ibex]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/changes-to-tanks-in-solo-shuffle-1396410

Q3/Q4 2022 blizz dev team wins award for best of last 5 years.

[thorn herald]

Figured they weren't going to exclude tanks

Would be crazy if they did

[rare ibex]

I don’t “love” being healed by a Prot pally. But I’ll take it in comparison to the current cesspool.

[thorn herald]

Only issue is convincing prot paladins to heal you

They'd rather run in and slap people and heal the 3% damage they took

[craggy socket]

Blizzard is so intensely ou tof touch

prot paladins as healers lmao

[copper hare]

Well, I personally didn't want to kms when I queued into prot pal shuffles

guardian vs guardian meanwhile.. that was or is something else..

[sage raptor]

Have you seen what prot pally is capable of?

[wheat crane]

Its kinda weird theyre making prot pallys seperate

Feel like theyll never get qs ever

Should just add them to dps too whatever

But

Fuck em

[rare ibex]

I think the point is you wouldn't want to queue against a prot pally who does the DPS of a DPS, plus bursts like a healer, AND a healer.

But I disagree with that point.

[wheat crane]

Yea i get WHY, perfectly logical.

But like realistically how many prot pallys are gonna be in q? Id be livid if i was one of the 7 prot pally mains waiting hours for a q

[primal flax]

died to enchance shamen in 0.1 seconds from a 30k then 40k lightnin bolt tf lmfao

[rare ibex]

If Prot pallys are in the heal slot, doesn’t that mean they’ll get instant queues?

[lucid walrus]

wait yeah wtf

[full quiver]

Guardian druids can heal a lot too

I remember spamming tank queues for honor s3 on mine and it was so free if you just healed lol

[copper hare]

Prot pallys will only be able to face other prot pallys, not other healers.

So if there is only 1 prot pally queuing, he has a problem

[rare ibex]

Ah, yeah. As someone whose tank is a pally, I can't feel too bad for them.

Can't even imagine being like "I feel like PVPing on this guy"

[copper hare]

And healers in general already have insta queues. For like 20 dps, there is 1 healer

That's why I think the queue time won't be better anytime soon, now normal tanks also have 15 min queues

[rare ibex]

I'm OK with it. This tank thing is a bandaid on a problem that should be addressed through other means.

If healers aren't being played in a 3 to 1 ratio, then maybe we should look at why that is, and work toward solving that imbalance.

[copper hare]

I mean SL gameplay eradicated most healers, for a good reason

[rare ibex]

Yeah, that's a problem.

One-shots and inability to heal normal damage doesn't seem fun to me.

[craggy socket]

its so cool playing at even 1600

playing against literally 0 cr players

and you dont win every single fucking match you drop ratting

[copper hare]

Idk if you have payed attention to the lfg tool in the last two season, doesn't matter if 2s or 3s, there were always 40 different teams just looking for a healer

[craggy socket]

what a fucking retarded system

[rare ibex]

Well, I assume the matchmaking system literally isn't on right now.

[craggy socket]

i knew blizzard would make solo q just total shit

why not lmao

[rare ibex]

No idea.. but I'm well over 150 matches played at this point, and I'm still being matched against insane MMR values.

Like.. if it hasn't learned what bracket I'm in yet, then the system sucks.

[craggy socket]

I swear to god they legit dont play the fucking game

[copper hare]

Nah, apparently most of the games are placement games right now, even on 2.4 cr you still get fresh geared people with zero cr sometimes

[rare ibex]

"but prepatch"

[craggy socket]

sick and tired and hearing that

[copper hare]

and then you win 6 games and still gain 0 rating

[craggy socket]

i can't believe they actually made fucking conduits for evoker too

[rare ibex]

It's OK bro, because it's prepatch.. and it's not a beta because none of it matters. Right?

[craggy socket]

how out of fucking touch can you be

turn off the SL shit systems

put in mrr

mmr* take tanks out of solo q

[copper hare]

I only use shuffle now to gear my alts, trying to not care as much until DF release, I already tilted enough in the first week

[craggy socket]

i just dont have anyone to play with

[rare ibex]

I'm just in it for the mounts and I'm done.

It's fun though, but wish it would work better.

[copper hare]

honestly even with the placement games they should have just not allowed legendaries and covenants and the gameplay would have been 100% more fun

[thorn herald]

its 1 tank per arena

means 1 healer will be a prot paladin and 1 healer will be a normal healer i believe

and no other tanks will be in the game

[thorn herald]

also pls dont

i dont want to lose condemn

[copper hare]

Protection Paladins will remain classified as “healers” and will only be placed in matches where the other healer is also a Protection Paladin.

[thorn herald]

great

i am glad i misread that then

[sage raptor]

Wtf no lol. Why on earth would you do that?

[rare ibex]

Can you not trinket a cyclone or did I just have some odd cooldown issue?

[sharp meteor]

You can definitely trinket cyclone.

[rare ibex]

Weird I will need to watch the replay

[sage raptor]

Making people pay a sub and then not let them play a part of the game is terrible.

[sage raptor]

Why does this matter?

You are an angry person aren't you? Lol

"Its just prepatch" is a very valid stance.

We are no longer max level and we have talents plus SL systems. Also there's never been a balanced prepatch. It's always insane.

[craggy socket]

Blizzard shots themselves in the foot.

turn off SL systems and let people play/test things as they should be in DF. Nobody wants to put in hours, currency, and bullshit to get viable in this patch.

[solar breach]

is the meta fury or arms atm

i cant find anywhere updated

[warped warren]

prot

[lean burrow]

meta in prepatch

[muted surge]

Yay 3h of pvp testing

They gonna fix all the issues

[lean burrow]

mud will log in on warrior in beta to destroy fotm rerollers

and blizz will nerf warriors and buff warlocks with rogues

[muted surge]

Dw i will be there to drag wars performance down

But I don’t get why solo shuffle test is on ptr

Or is ptr already lv 70

[thorn herald]

im on beta

my monk with no cds gets 70k RSKs and 85k windlord strikes

[cinder thorn]

MOAR prot pallies for insta queues YAY

https://tenor.com/view/lmfao-laughing-gif-25145562

[fickle forge]

Real talk though, log your arms warrs and flex with low damage 😎👍

[muted surge]

thanks for respecting your eu player base

hope i can join the bg at least

[fickle forge]

Just become a nightowl dumbo

[thorn herald]

lol

arcane mage radiant spark is bugged

and it kicks and locks for 10 seconds

[sage raptor]

It's prepatch "bullshit to get viable" is a joke when the patch only lasts a couple weeks. Testing things is what the beta/ptr is for.

[muted surge]

the prepatch is also to try out shit

and you cant try any alts if you dont want to invest a lot of time and gold

[sage raptor]

That is not true in the slightest

[wheat jay]

Trying out shit for Dragonflight with legendaries and covenants still in the game

[muted surge]

That’s the point

[copper hare]

that's my favorite lock nerf from tonight

[Live with weekly restarts] Demonic Fortitude increases you and your pets' maximum health by 5% (was 6%).

they really don't want to risk lock not being s tier lol

[fickle forge]

Didn't they nerf a bunch of HP stuff doe?

[copper hare]

Basically only when grimoire of sacrifice is up, so affliction. But far from enough for a class that competes with healers on beta

[graceful ginkgo]

so, hm, 1 tank per shuffle...thoughts?

[raw summit]

Ew

Ban tanks

[graceful ginkgo]

jeah, that's not gonna happen

ever

(and I hate tanks, too)

[copper hare]

ban dps and heals, they ruin the game

[sage raptor]

Tanks should've been left alone

And idc yall hates them. Skill issues.

[fickle forge]

I also love 80% damp matches

[warped warren]

did you mean resto druid?

[fickle forge]

S1 Arms+Rdruid mirror be like

[warped warren]

🤣

[elfin surge]

Hello friends

[cinder thorn]

Hello

[lean island]

Hey mud, how is you mood today?

[cinder thorn]

Any human wars here? I'm curious how you rotate between trinket and human ability that breaks cc

After 8 years not playing I just realised that the ability unlike the trinket only works on stuns, not fears, disarm etc

What do you usually use each for?

[elfin surge]

WE GOOD

[spice hornet]

Good morning Mid

[cinder thorn]

@elfin surge does mud mean mud as in earth and water or is it standing for something

[elfin surge]

I am Mud. The Primus himself. I am the Necro Lord.

[scarlet barn]

So what you are saying is

Oubare old man with walking stick

[lean burrow]

necrolord fury

[fickle forge]

It depends on what you face

Trinket -> racial lets you get a 3rd trinket faster, but racial -> trinket can be more convenient if you're not KT depending on enemy CC type

[elfin surge]

necro arms

[lean burrow]

[cinder thorn]

What's the CD on both do you know off memory I'm not at home

[scarlet barn]

3 min is racial, 2 min is trinket afaik@cinder thorn

And if you use racial trinket goes on 1 min cd afaik

If you use trinket first , racial goes on cd too

But not really sure about duration there

[lean burrow]

1.5 min

shared cd, if you use human first, you get human 3m cd, and trinket 1.5m

[cinder thorn]

Thx boys

[copper hare]

typical solo shuffle dh

https://gyazo.com/383b65b592646ff173ff39c9239ad92d

[muted surge]

2.5 pog

Seems like he’s one of the top players rn

[copper hare]

one of the top clowns maybe

[lean island]

No tuning for dhs even this week btw

[copper hare]

I mean what would they tune, they could disable the interaction between the legendary and soulrend, but I rather see blizz working on beta tuning instead of pre patch

[muted surge]

Well dh is still absurd in Beta

[hard hound]

They didn’t get nerf its normal

[lean island]

Dhs ruins solo shuffle beta, I saw r1 war on twitch playing shuffle with 3 dps dhs and double dh won every round lol

[elfin surge]

clearly his team has always been the ones holding him back

[copper hare]

best forum meme haha

[muted surge]

Who streams beta?

[craggy socket]

I hope blizzard sees you being a good little subscriber lmao

[scarlet barn]

But the only difference between him and you is emotional state

You are both subscriberes arent you

[lean island]

Ops I meant pre patch

[fickle forge]

Yeah so like as already explained, if you do trinket first you'll have that 2 min CD come off before the 3 min CD from racial, so you can get a 3rd trinket a lot faster if you use it in that order

[fossil mortar]

If nothing else, us warriors get a lot of practice on how to survive as long as possible. That is a good thing that and helpful whispers telling us to use ignore pain

[elfin surge]

@dawn niche

[dawn niche]

Not to sure what happened there! Must have been prepping to ask a question and got side tracked

[elfin surge]

[sharp meteor]

shuffle dh is wild

legit just like trinket nether/blur air

and kills somebody before it matters

[dawn niche]

What covenant have you been running lately in prepatch?

[elfin surge]

venthyr

condemn is the only thing that does dam

[dawn niche]

That's what I was noticing

[thorn herald]

where my prot warrs farming shuffle for conq alts at

[sharp meteor]

wish more prots would queue up

games so free on casters

[thorn herald]

only reason im tempted to do it is fast queues

[spice hornet]

Daily reminder dh blur bug still exists

[thorn herald]

whats the bug

[spice hornet]

Giving more dodge than normal

[thorn herald]

lol

[spice hornet]

Just allows them to be even more ape than normal

[thorn herald]

is blur a 1 min cd

[spice hornet]

It’s lower due to conduits

[thorn herald]

lel

[spice hornet]

Idk if those are still active

[thorn herald]

they are

[spice hornet]

Haven’t been on

[thorn herald]

im just trying to farm some conq for my ww alt for boxes so i can enjoy the last few weeks of pre patch

[spice hornet]

I wouldn’t mind it being bugged if those monkeys couldn’t dodge from behind. Just unreal

[thorn herald]

feels like they cant die

[sharp meteor]

so blur is omnidirectional meaning that you can't hit them from behind

and it's 80% dodge for no reason

when it's meant to be 50%

so blur = off

[spice hornet]

They need that

[thorn herald]

yeah i know u can dodge from behind

[sharp meteor]

it also works while casting which is why u can't kick fleshy more often than not

if they blur flesh

[thorn herald]

i like when they dodge disarm

or immune it with meta because the animation is so dumb

[spice hornet]

Blade dance dodge

[thorn herald]

on accident everytime

[spice hornet]

Who remembers

[thorn herald]

is that gone?

i thought it was still a thing

[spice hornet]

Yes thankfully

[thorn herald]

lol

i remember when blur worked in stuns and auto triggered at low hp

[spice hornet]

Isn’t that a talent still

[thorn herald]

dunno havent seen it

[spice hornet]

Or it was rather

[thorn herald]

i remember them dodging while stunned

mmm solo shuffle with aff dh

oh boy my dk teamate is on nemesis

[hard hound]

good luck have fun

[sharp meteor]

had a guardian druid with an int weapon complaining about healers in a shuffle that obviously had no healers

[sharp meteor]

ya dh mirrors because of how utterly broken their output is

[bitter lily]

guys im new to war arm, do i have to put slam in my bars

[hard hound]

yes

[bitter lily]

sweet

do i have to get a shield and a macro

to go defensive stance, shield and shield block

or its just never a good idea

[hard hound]

yes

[bitter lily]

yes i do have to get a shield and a macro

ok

[hard hound]

yep 🙂

[bitter lily]

on a regular arena how much time would you say you spend in defensive and shield stance

[hard hound]

shield at begening of arena vs rmp

d stance , when enemy burst you

[bitter lily]

ok

[weak goblet]

hey all, coming back after years with df, are double dps comps as warrior(arms) still gonna be a thing you think or do we lack more now?

[sharp meteor]

probs

warr got more healing with baseline pend

depends on hybrids tho like warr/feral has been excellent

retwarr was good

[weak goblet]

ty, what do you think about enh warr?

[hasty escarp]

There any messages for arms pvp talent tree, covenant, and legos used for pre patch? Not much in the pinned messages

[sharp meteor]

seems like a less flexible version of warrferal

but decent

[weak goblet]

ok ty

hard time deciding between dk and warr and the viability of going double dps 2s is crucial 🙂

[sharp meteor]

have u considered finding a healer lmao

[weak goblet]

yeah sure! but from time to time i want that double dps action

[spice hornet]

Warrior and dk do not have a good time in double DPS 2s

[full quiver]

Apparently it's alright during prepatch lol

[proven maple]

I really only climbed a lot in double dps with a feral. Shot from like 1900 to 2080 in 2s one night during s4 and when we lost two games in a row he sperg’d out and left. Was still impressive how well that comp played.

Feral just had so much going for it in sl. Believe it could literally play with anything in 2s

DF will be interesting. Wouldn’t be surprised if evoker war could work played well.

[cinder thorn]

Thx dude

[cinder thorn]

Why?

Can u block whilst stunned?

[hard hound]

Shield give 8% mele damage reduction

@cinder thorn

[cinder thorn]

Oh thank @hard hound didnt know that

It's annoying that there's so much hidden stuff that isn't mentioned anywhere in game

[spice hornet]

Got like 2nd highest warr in s4 as ret/fury was a lot of fun. Then you start fighting outlaws and get depression

[full quiver]

lol

[hard hound]

It’s not hidden , everyone know if you have more armor you receive less mele damages , shield give armor so …

[full quiver]

yeah outlaw on melee was cancer

free wins as survival tho

[cinder thorn]

Oh you meant via armor, I thought another straight up 8%

[elfin surge]

kap

[spice hornet]

Mid jelly I put him on a shirt a few times

On stream

[keen stone]

Anyone able to help. Returning player.

Have they or are they making changes to racial abilities? I hear people saying orc is dead in df rararra. Just wanting to know if I can move my dk back yo alliance or if I should keep him horde for minmaxing

[lean burrow]

when prepatch 2 comes, do we just farm event for 2 weeks until release?

[wheat jay]

Yes

[elfin surge]

pvp trinket set bonus doesnt stack with orc. Orc is still strong asf but maybe human or gnome is the play.

[thorn herald]

female human is the best

[elfin surge]

female orc is the best shut up u know nothing

[lean burrow]

[sage raptor]

Orc is just good now.

[wheat jay]

Belf for dispel

Easy

[thorn herald]

female orc close 2nd

its ok to be wrong

female orc zug zug mind at work

thats why u dress up as a paladin

[elfin surge]

the mud mog is the best and most iconic mog in game

[desert falcon]

true, doesnt feel like real warrior

[thorn herald]

shut up pally ranger

[wheat jay]

Basic bitch mog

[thorn herald]

wears a set

[sharp meteor]

backwater server to get t3 and arcanite reaper is like the epitome of basic bitch

[wheat jay]

It is

[thorn herald]

Post transmogs

[proven maple]

brf armor with blackhand still a top 3 mog imo

[keen dove]

Guys as a one trick Arms Warrior, what Healer class/spec would you think a warrior main would like? I know its a dumb question, but I gots to know

[thorn herald]

Black hand dongle bugged rn

[thorn herald]

Always been partial to hpal

Priest with offensive dispel nice too

[keen dove]

^^^ thank you

[thorn herald]

Love that elite set

[raw summit]

@wheat jaybelf enjoyer for df 👀

clothie prepatch set is giganuts for some reason man

[thorn herald]

humans rise up

[craggy socket]

yup im done with solo shuffle til DF

[wheat jay]

XD

[craggy socket]

just an all around garbage system lol

[raw summit]

i mean you can prolly do the same thing with fem human

[thorn herald]

i was thinking of farming conq for my ww alt

but fuck me man i had a tank game where the vengeance dh was screeching at me for not doing more dps than him

cause i was getting focused and stunlocked all game

[raw summit]

would happen with lfg too

[thorn herald]

like the prot warrior and other arms would run at me, warpath stun into spear, into storm bolt (doesnt dr) then stormbolt then disarm

[craggy socket]

Solo Shuffle is a fail

[thorn herald]

couldnt trinket the stuns or id die to disarm

everytime

[raw summit]

it wont be once they ban tanks

[thorn herald]

itll be a lot less bad

tank games will be weird

[craggy socket]

Literally lost so much rating to retarded tank games

[raw summit]

making them dps will bite them in the ass

[thorn herald]

yeah

[raw summit]

whats worse than a bear in arenas?

a bear with an rdu

[thorn herald]

blood dk

[craggy socket]

I just leave mid game if there are tanks i dont care

[thorn herald]

grip abom limb

[craggy socket]

no rating for you

[thorn herald]

cant do anything

chains

zzzz

idk if bears are doing damage at 70 rn

[elfin surge]

POGGERS

[thorn herald]

as it stands im about to reroll monk because man does monk play like warrior should

look at this clowny paladin

[thorn herald]

go back to wotlk classic northrend called

[raw summit]

i think its better without wings

[thorn herald]

argent crusader

[raw summit]

hides weapons and thats cringe

[craggy socket]

Classic is honestly better than DF I think

[thorn herald]

oh yikes

[elfin surge]

wrath sucks ass

[thorn herald]

the cloak transmogs are the worst

@elfin surge r u a fem belf on MG with ur slutmog and angel wings?

[craggy socket]

This pre-patch sucks ass

[thorn herald]

yikes!

[craggy socket]

worst one I can remember by a mile

[thorn herald]

pre patch always been a shit show

talents made this one fun

[craggy socket]

This one seems really bad with the infinite amounts of SL systems still existing

[thorn herald]

i mean

did u play OG wotlk

[craggy socket]

I just cant fathom why they wont turn them off

[thorn herald]

when ret did holy damage and bubble was still AS slow

[craggy socket]

I was kinda kidding when I said that. Wrath is even worse tbh

Its impossible to find groups, raiding is pure ass, and it's just slow

[thorn herald]

r u on a dead server or something

[elfin surge]

LMAO

[thorn herald]

cosmic gladiator mud during the day headmistress àngèl at night

[elfin surge]

uhh thats Eternal Gladiator Mud now

[thorn herald]

lot lizard mud

hows ur dk

[elfin surge]

I have mastered shadowlands warrior 💪

[wheat jay]

Basic Gladiator Mud

[elfin surge]

dead

quit it already

[thorn herald]

whats actually insane

is RSK hits a billion times harder than MS

and has the same if not shorter cd because they get free cooldown reduction on it

why the fuck cant MS function that way with overpower lowering the cd

[wheat jay]

On beta or prepatch?

[thorn herald]

both

was getting 70k RSKs without cooldowns on my monk last night

[raw summit]

condemn>level 70 execute

[cinder thorn]

Err, surely the same tanks on enemy team in shuffle will end up on your team so why you making out like you losing because of them

😛

[thorn herald]

ehhh nah not yet at least

[cinder thorn]

Err, if you get disarmed can't you just equip another weapon from the bags?

[raw summit]

no like it does more damage

[cinder thorn]

It's because they fear the mighty Yosauron

[full quiver]

Grats on your season 4 rank 1

So cool you were able to get it as arms warrior and not get carried while being a 2 button 40% ms bot

[craggy socket]

Surely if fury is 2 button 40% ms bot you got rank 1 too?!

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[full quiver]

Like I'd play fury smh

[spice hornet]

Facts lol, never seen such a degen playerbase full of bads

[wintry chasm]

Hey guys what do we think will be better. Arms or fury? What are the pros and cons to them? Sorry for the noob questions I never played warrior and going to main it in DF

[thorn herald]

grats i never know what the season are called anymore

[cinder thorn]

Can someone give me advice on how to improve my awareness of positioning and also tracking friend and foe cooldowns in a meaningful way

I find that as a warrior in melee it is difficult to keep aware of where everyone is with the camera since there are people behind you and in front and to the sides

Do you maybe focus camera on enemies and use minimap to track where team mates are when they're not in vision or what?

Any advice regarding the topic of awareness would be appreciated

[thorn herald]

turn nameplates on, use peripherals. takes time to be able to focus on what other classes are casting and running behind pillars while dpsing people

[wheat jay]

Addons to track enemy cooldowns

Good nameplates addon helps a lot

[thorn herald]

any you recommend

im terrible with addons

[sharp meteor]

Buffs on nameplates helps a lot.

[thorn herald]

been using just bartender and nothing else forever now

so im always at a loss when telling what addons to use

[wheat jay]

There's few for nameplates

Threatplates is nice

Kui nameplates too

Plater is also fine but its more pve oriented, I use it cuz i used to mostly pve and then changed it to fit pvp well

[spice hornet]

Let me ask my crystal ball

[wintry chasm]

Why be a smartass for?

[wheat jay]

Cuz its pointless to Ask that question tbh

Its still prepatch

From what it is now, the spec that deals more dmg will be better, cuz the kit is the same

But we wont know which one it is until season starts

[thorn herald]

im pretty certain fury is better on beta

rn

[sharp meteor]

even after the season start it may be a while

part of the way through unchained somebody got around to reading the tooltip on the kyrian druid leggo

and the ladder became one quarter kitty one quarter dh/mooner

[runic galleon]

are they taking out the sl stuff at all before release ?

[sharp meteor]

it's here now and it'll be here in df

it just won't be usable outside sl zones in df

[lucid walrus]

shuffle queues work fine rn but uh

it lists it as the hotmogu brawl when i queue up

[sharp meteor]

i think that's just some spaghetti becasue

korrak's isn't working, there's another brawl (hotmogu) and shuffle was a brawl

poor lil pvp interface trying its best

[lucid walrus]

bizarre

[keen stone]

probs more leaning toward gnome correct?

[sharp meteor]

they're both good

probs won't make a big difference

although ig gnome gains bit more value as arms seeing as no bloodrage

[rare ibex]

I hit 1800 on the nose last night. I've accepted 7 queues since then, and 0 of them have completed. Still 1800.

[sharp meteor]

ya shuffle is cringe with leavers

just had a guy dip because i didn't tell him kill target fast enough

[rare ibex]

Just had a 1900 mw leave in round 5... wtf

I finished both weekly quests and still haven't completed a round.

[sharp meteor]

that is awful

somehow i haven't had many leavers on my lock

despite bodying somebody with deci bolt almost every round

[rare ibex]

Honestly I've been pretty lucky myself until the last 24 hours.

[sharp meteor]

you lose like 100 rating or something for dipping now but idk if a lot of people care

[rare ibex]

Well there's definitely no MMR in place atm.

So probably not

Just got another queue pop and someone left in the lobby before the first round. 😂

Maybe they're all dejected tanks coming back for their revenge?

[sharp meteor]

ah yes another leave

+200 honor

[maiden void]

So I've played a few rounds of solo shuffle on the beta and seem to be consistently doing about half the dmg of most classes. Unless I'm just running entirely wrong talents, is warrior really that bad on beta?

[short flax]

newbie to warrior here, is there a good baseline ST talent build for pvp? Im mainly focused on pvp and the new talent system is overwhelming. Any information at all helps a ton. Thanks!

[rare ibex]

I run something similar to the one pinned. Venthyr Arms.

It's dead simple.. very few buttons.

Basically just try to hit big condemns.

That said, if you're going into rated PVP with shit gear, you'll get stomped as Arms.. IMO. It's one of the least forgiving classes of gear imbalance.

[short flax]

alright. ty!

[rare ibex]

Look at this streak. 10 rounds in a row of leavers. Yes, reflex counts unplayed rounds as losses..

Wasted 3.5 hours so far.

[keen coral]

imo gnome will be wayyy ahead of human once people realize how many more roots are in the game in DF compared to SL. Just looking at healers alone it went from 2 out of 6 healers having a root to 5 out of 7, and there are some roots gained for DPS too (like mages all having fairly easy access to double frost nova without losing too much). The only root that got removed is binding shot afaik

[copper hare]

Yeah I don't know what people have with human all the time. Pvp dps trinkets are so mediocre at best. Yeah having battle master and insignia is a a nice gimmick but I'd take dwarf/nelf/gnome racial over 1% dps gain any day

[rare ibex]

@thorn herald "and if i dont do it the male orc fury warrior from ragnaros wont because he didnt talent it." 😂

[full quiver]

I always preferred gnome war

[rare ibex]

I'm not minding undead fear breaks in this afflock meta atm.

[full quiver]

I remember liking undead in og vanilla for cannibalize

Lowered downtime leveling

[desert gull]

[sharp meteor]

stun break cdr is also nice

and the models don't look awful

[sharp meteor]

missin the old undead animations

[full quiver]

Their only downside was the mogs

[sharp meteor]

mogs were real hit or mess yer

certain sets looked great others were a mess

[crude frost]

Yo any idea what will be the best race for warrior in DF?

[short flax]

orc cuz stun resistance

[sage raptor]

5% wont make a difference

[sage raptor]

still up in the air. A lot say belf.

and gnome

[sage raptor]

trinket bonus nerfed to 10% but the crafted boots with the 5% cc reduction stacks so its back to 15%.

[muted surge]

can you even get 424 boots?

or rather, craft conq gear

unless you take the 20 ilvl diff for 5% redd

[sage raptor]

Yes I'm pretty sure

Actually the boots themselves were crafted pvp boots if I remember correctly.

I guess it's like bfa or something idk

[thorn herald]

its a hard knock life

[fickle forge]

I'm sure it's meant for conq set, since it specifically says it improves your PvP trinket set bonus iirc

[vocal torrent]

Did they change hardiness? Cause right now it should actually stack if it’s coded like the tooltip says, right?

[primal flax]

I personally think Gnome or Dwarf (either one) could be really good.

I personally say Dwarf because of the defensive abilities of their racial. It can save you from mind games, bleeding burst, some magical dots just don't use it vs aff, mage set ups etc

[lean island]

just play the race you like the most lol

[primal flax]

^

I also play dwarf for the glorious beards

[fickle forge]

Bonus doesn't stack though

Ironically, War Banner has lost a ton of value now that rele is in the game for everyone

Since that shit doesn't stack either

[muted surge]

Finally a war nerf

[muted surge]

I mean, highest crafted ilvl was 404 I think on beta atm. If we can craft boots on conq ilvl, wouldn’t that mean we can craft full conq gear?

But I haven’t done any profs tbh

[fickle forge]

Kekw would be funny

Get steamrolled by all the whales

@elfin surge would be max ilvl day 1

[raw summit]

ur capped

you get 4 crafted things

weapons count as 2

[fickle forge]

Missed opportunity for Bobby to buy himself a new yacht there

[muted surge]

But you can craft conq gear?

[raw summit]

no

[muted surge]

Okay so the ilvl is lower then?

[raw summit]

i mean 404 is p big, no?

i didnt look into ilvls at all

[muted surge]

If it doesn’t scale to 424 no

In pvp

But I’m not sure if the 5% stun red would be better than big ilvl boost

[raw summit]

not sure lolw

if its >honor gear its prolly worth early on

[muted surge]

Pretty sure crafted is lower than honour

Gonna check when I get home I guess

[vocal torrent]

True and sad….I was just wondering cause the tooltip isn’t accurate in that case.

[raw summit]

if it isnt wallet is in trouble

[copper hare]

I hope honor gear just scales up from the beginning and is available first week.. Remember how honor gear was useless in SL for the first half of the expansion? Even m0 gear was better in the beginning since honor upgrade levels were bound to renown.

[sage raptor]

"Doesn't stack with similar effects". Also hardiness doesn't stack on beta

[fickle forge]

You could attain full conq gear before max rank honor was a thing

Somebody used 100% of their brain power for that one

[copper hare]

Yea that was comical

[cinder thorn]

Got that already I need to see whether that or a place that combines all like omni is best

[elfin surge]

i condemn u to death

[fickle forge]

It's fucking G O N E you monkey

[undone pumice]

[copper hare]

how do I even queue for normal solo shuffle now lol

blizzard man

[full quiver]

That shit was so fried lol

[wheat jay]

Yeeee Bash his head in

That filthy tank player

[severe skiff]

To add to the crafted gear discussion, the pvp pieces (5% increase to trinket bonus piece) scales up to 424 which is the same ilvl as conquest. The pve crafted gear doesn't scale up and its maximum ilvl caps out below 424 I believe, like 414 or something.

[copper hare]

Soo. I queue for rated solo shuffle and I'm queued for Brawl, Temple of Hotmogu. Then I queue for normal which shows as Korraks Revenge

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

what is happening

[cinder thorn]

Wormholes

[gritty hazel]

Is there a fury build that works in pvp right now? I saw the pin for arms, but was curious on the flipside

[copper hare]

can link you one in a sec

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/cd581fb13f16c237e2fef2560b9873e4

vs palas/locks or disc you can swap bitter immunity for wrecking throw/shattering throw

[muted surge]

any pins

[copper hare]

remember hack n slash talent and conduit dont stack, but talent is slightly better

[gritty hazel]

On a conf call right now, will look in a moment, but thank you!

I was close on some of that, but I went SOS/Annihilator

[elfin surge]

no

[craggy socket]

Is slam worth using anymore at all?

[elfin surge]

Yes but it's slightly less now.

[craggy socket]

Ok cool ty

[elfin surge]

Its the filler when you cant use anything else. Mainly used to fish for tactician procs.

[craggy socket]

Ah for fury bc i am pea brain

[elfin surge]

o

then no take it off bars

[craggy socket]

ty sir

[copper hare]

Actually crazy to me that they nerfed slam again just to put like 3 slam modifier talents in the general tree

hitting like for 2k without any talents lol

at least good for totems

[craggy socket]

I swear after 1600-1700 rating in solo shuffle its just a straight up gamble on if you can win games or not

or if you can even have a chance to gain rating

legit had a game where there are 1900, 0 ,365, 1400, 1700, 0

How do you even gain gating here lol

[short flax]

You only gain rating when playing with friends lol, just trying to gain rating in randoms is a total nightmare

[thorn herald]

Everytime I get to 1600 or above God punishes me with 3-4 tank games and their all 0-500 rated

[craggy socket]

Solo Q is going to a massive failure, I wish I had friends to play with

[cinder thorn]

Me in warmode when I see an innocent horde questing peacefully and picking flowers

[sly sparrow]

Irritated Tauren noises.

[lean burrow]

you can press slam instead of raging blow if you play with annihilator

not for pvp tho

but autoattack build sounds kinda memey

[sly sparrow]

Now that Spear of Bastion seems to be less impactful than the other options is there a world where Protection Warriors may be able to burst down targets with a stunlock combo (@ lvl 70)?

Avatar> Shattering Throw > Shield Charge, Shield Slam, Thunder Clap (if it isn't already up), Storm Bolt, Revenge, Shockwave for a big crit.

Execute to finish?

[lean burrow]

i thought prot's oneshot is dependent on 4piece?

and now it's gone

[thorn herald]

I wonder how much better pre patch would be if we had ignore pain back

[lean burrow]

just 20/20 dstance would be good enough

[cinder thorn]

It's better when it's two horde friends questing together

[thorn herald]

Why wouldn't you use wrecking throw

[craggy socket]

Pre patch would be amazing without shadowlands trash and add mmr to solo q

Problem is pvp is unplayable at the moment

Makes no sense why blizzard leaves pre patches like this

Is there a pve reason?

[candid tusk]

unplayable as warrior *

kinda fun as DH i guess

[craggy socket]

Dh lock and guardian

[lucid walrus]

i was sitting 2k first day and ran into tanks nonstop til a drop to 1800 LMAO

[sly sparrow]

Because Shattering brings plate armor down to Mail armor values (roughly) so doing your burst in that window would be ideal.

Obviously if it's vs a clothy Wrecking would probably be better.

[lucid walrus]

tanks would be okay if the game was more intuitively designed for them to be playable outside of bullshit builds. at the same time i’d rather not open the door for specs who exist solely to slow the game down

[gritty hazel]

I thought tanks had a negative % aura on them in pvp? is that not happening now due to the SL/prepatch combo?

[lean burrow]

do prots get some other shattering throw?

[full quiver]

But that's arms war 😠

[lucid walrus]

the difference between arms/other durable classes and tanks is that they’re supposed to have kill pressure

[sly sparrow]

No, I'm just remembering an older version of the ability 😝

It used to reduce armor by 30% also

[thorn herald]

Both throws ignore armor

[full quiver]

prot pala and guardian druid have some kill pressure 😉

[sly sparrow]

In the past it applied a Colossus Smash-like debuff on them in addition to piping bubbles.

[thorn herald]

Yes I remember

Or are you talking about trying to burst on wotlk classic

[sly sparrow]

I apparently didn't get the memo that is doesn't anymore

[thorn herald]

Wait you said avatar and spear

Yeah just use wrecking unless you need to pop immunities

[sly sparrow]

Yeah

I'm still working on the Burst combo.

It'll never be as good as a DPS's burst obviously, but I like Prot so /shrug

[thick steeple]

@sly sparrow peasiante

We dont like your kind around here

[sly sparrow]

Prot Burst (lol)

Avatar> Wrecking Throw > Shield Block (For the Sword & Board Procc) > Shield Charge, Shield Slam> Thunder Clap > Revenge > Storm Bolt > More DPS > finish Avatar with Shockwave for a big crit.

Execute to finish?

[sly sparrow]

Eh, I'm used to it lol

[thick steeple]

Stop playing prot

[sly sparrow]

Nah

[thick steeple]

Trustttt

[sly sparrow]

I like being obnoxious

[thorn escarp]

Prot is broken in pvp takes 0 dmg vs melees

[sly sparrow]

(Note: I do play Arms and Fury, but I have liked the idea of Prot PvP ever since WotLK.)

[thorn escarp]

But it’s so broken vs melees I dueled a outlaw with duelist gear and it didn’t move my hp I didn’t even ip once

[sly sparrow]

Nice

[thorn escarp]

But the dmg is nerfed tho can’t kill shit

[sly sparrow]

That's always been the issue, no kill potential

[thorn escarp]

But atleast they gave us more surviabilty

Not before prepatch

[sly sparrow]

Back in WotLK we had the Shield Slam Burst

[lucid walrus]

can confirm the "log out before everyone accepts tank queue" thing still works

spaghetti code tries to lock you out of an instant requeue but i just listed/unlisted myself from hotmogu and now it's fine

[steep inlet]

Lol

Worst example outlaw does 0 dmg atm

Hard nerfed

[undone ermine]

So glad they're moving most tanks to DPS slots.

Might actually be able to solo shuffle arms.

[steep inlet]

Tbh prot in dps slot can do serious dmgs

Even sustain

With the good build

[undone ermine]

That's awesome.

[muted surge]

Bcs arms does none.

But anyway, that doesn’t change the fact that all tanks should get banned

Fuck em!

[undone ermine]

Lmao, it feels that way sometimes. But I've been a tank main for a long time, sucks that you get excluded from content as your spec because Blizzard can't balance for shit.

[brave osprey]

if u can't beat them join them!

[undone ermine]

Ugh. Just got into it with a hunter outside the caverns of time; I killed him but my execute was doing like 7k a swing. He had no defensives up.

We're nothing without condemn.

[short flax]

does anyone have a good st build for rbgs/arenas

[wheat jay]

If you're nothing without condemn then you shouldnt have it

[full quiver]

🤔

[viral jasper]

condemn should be baseline for arms as an "improved execute"

[wheat jay]

There's already like 10 talents that improve execute

Condemn was boring to play

Shit gameplay

[sage raptor]

its the best ability

it didnt add an extra button and its good

[undone ermine]

Right now it's a scuffed one button rotation.

Can go into M+ and have it be 50% of your damage, even worse in single target and PvP.

[sage raptor]

but thats right now

[undone ermine]

I'm worried what arms will be like when we lose it to be honest, it's the only thing keeping us competitive.

[wheat jay]

In prepatch

Stop crying about pre-patch

Jfc

Balance changes are Rolling every two or so days

[sage raptor]

I dont think theres ever been a prepatch where it wasnt like it was now tbh

[wheat jay]

Every pre-patch is scuffed

This one is double scuffed cuz blizz for some reason didn't remove old systems

[sage raptor]

thats what im saying

[wheat jay]

Ye

I agree with you there

[undone ermine]

Prepatch is amplifying it, sure; but there are huge disparities even without old systems in the mix.

[wheat jay]

We're also missing 5 points

And armor values are scuffed

[steep inlet]

Arms is D tier in beta btw

At 70

From some pros

Sad times for us

[sage raptor]

lol tier lists

[wheat jay]

Seeing how its beta/prepatch

Id say its worthless

[steep inlet]

Raiku tier list btw

[sage raptor]

we're not even max level anymore

[steep inlet]

And other pros say same

[wheat jay]

Still worthless

[steep inlet]

It’s a 70 tier list

On beta

It’s accurate ;o

[wheat jay]

Its worthless

[undone ermine]

None of our damage buttons feel like they do anything, and it's not just 60. Our numbers are better right now because of prepatch, if anything it'll be worse than it is in live right now.

[steep inlet]

It there is no change it will be the same

[wheat jay]

Not final tuning = worthless

[haughty prawn]

So accurate, never mind that they just buffed health by 40% and haven't nerfed % base healing yet

[wheat jay]

Not final product = worthless

[steep inlet]

it’s fresh from beta

lol game is released soon

What big changes they will do ?

[wheat jay]

Beta is not final product

[steep inlet]

We will see the difference in release

No major changes inc

[wheat jay]

They did 25% nerf to a spec few days ago

That's major

[steep inlet]

Related to PvE

[wheat jay]

Affects pvp too

[sage raptor]

theyve been tuning a lot so lets wait before we consider tier lists from R1 nerds as gospel

[steep inlet]

Because arms is good in PvE

RN

[steep inlet]

It’s the true feeling on beta

So if arms is good in PvE right now

Forget a UP

For a moment

[wheat jay]

That's not true

[sage raptor]

and youre being told what to believe because outlaw is in no way D tier lol

[steep inlet]

Outlaw giga succ atm

[wheat jay]

You're talking out of your ass xD

[steep inlet]

What is wrong ?

Arms is good in PvE atm

And outlaw suck in PvP atm

Simple facts

[wheat jay]

Following clickbait tierlists is wrong lmao

[steep inlet]

Clicwhat

Ok if you want I stop here

they are mass to say the same

And I saw it too

On beta

[wheat jay]

Same as how snupy made a tierlist based on his beta experience "ye guys i only saw ONE arms warrior and he died so I'll put him low*

[sage raptor]

1000% bad player

[steep inlet]

Yeah yeah go try arms on beta

You will see

[wheat jay]

Worthless clickbait tierlists

[steep inlet]

Trimaz multi r1 as outlaw is bad ?

I talk with him about outlaw

Saw outlaw streamers too

They lost their dmg as arms

[wheat jay]

Is it rly bad or is it the same as arms warrior in s3 and s4?

[steep inlet]

Outlaw went from S to C or S

It’s really bad y

[sage raptor]

if he considers D tier then yes

[wheat jay]

People cried it was shit but in reality they went from S tier to A tier

[sage raptor]

and if I could tell him to his face then I would

[steep inlet]

Nah outlaw is shit tier atm

You don’t even realize

[sage raptor]

I do realize and thats why I say hes wrong lol

[steep inlet]

yeah sure you know better than trimaz

jeez

[wheat jay]

Its not about knowing better than someone, rn noone knows how the meta will be in 10.0 during s1

And if someone says they do theyre talking out of their asses

[steep inlet]

we speak about atm

[wheat jay]

And are spitting bullshit

[steep inlet]

And atm

Things are like this

[wheat jay]

Atm which is irrelevant

Cuz its not final product

[steep inlet]

We don’t know. Things could stay the same

[sage raptor]

they never do

[steep inlet]

We talk about blizzard

Sometimes things takes year to move

[wheat jay]

Sometimes people randomly Discover strong comps

[sage raptor]

but we're talking about tuning before an expac launch

[wheat jay]

S2 dh+balance

No changes to classes, suddenly became best comp

Prepatch and beta opinions are worthless

[undone ermine]

We're allowed to be worried about our spec staying scuffed though.

[sage raptor]

obviously

[wheat jay]

Id agree if we were scuffed

But we're not

[steep inlet]

There is massive chances arms stay shit

[undone ermine]

Apparently not, Artji crawled up my ass for it.

[steep inlet]

What ?

Arms not scuffed ?

[sage raptor]

because people are crying about prepatch when theres tuning every week.

[wheat jay]

In terms of things that are set in stone and very unlikely to change, arms is strong as fuck

[sage raptor]

its being blown wayyyyy out of proportion

[steep inlet]

I don’t speak about prepatch

But bêta

[wheat jay]

Meaning kit

Arms kit is 10/10

[sage raptor]

thats even worse

[steep inlet]

No ? It’s release candidate atm

And inc in 2 weeks

Wake up

[sage raptor]

bruh theyre constantly buffing/nerfing lol. You wake up.

quit crying. It'll be fine.

[steep inlet]

I don’t cry

[sage raptor]

I mean

[undone ermine]

I wouldn't know, I'm not on here that much. I came on to see if anyone else felt the same way. Got told to 'stop crying'.

[sage raptor]

.>

[steep inlet]

We will see where is arms in 1 month

[wheat jay]

1 month might be a bit fast tbh

Wont even have full gear by that time xD

[indigo barn]

When everyone has wep and half filled conq gear*

[wheat jay]

OH MY

Would you look at that

More balance changes

Just now on wowhead

2 weeks before release

OH MY

[sage raptor]

oh wow who could have known :O

[steep inlet]

PvE changes for Fury

Nothing for arms

Oh my

:)

[wheat jay]

Yet

Pve changes are pvp changes too

[undone ermine]

Also no one said there wouldn't be, so I don't know what you're celebrating.

[steep inlet]

yep

[wheat jay]

Well, my point is mostly that tierlists are worthless now

[undone ermine]

Then maybe say that?

[wheat jay]

I did

[sage raptor]

he did

a lot lol

[wheat jay]

Like 5 times

[undone ermine]

Not just now in the wake of the wowhead post.

Instead you just paraded around like a jackass.

[sage raptor]

are you have dumb?

[wheat jay]

I said it before the post and after the post

[undone ermine]

Nah, you said this; instead of something constructive about how it validates your opinion of tier lists.

[sage raptor]

not really an opinion.

[undone ermine]

I'm not really invested in tier lists, for or against. My point was that his crowing is insufferable.

[wheat jay]

Well, block me then

[undone ermine]

That'd be childish.

[sage raptor]

he said it before and after the wowhead post lol. You can go back and look for yourself

[undone ermine]

Besides you might eventually say something smart.

[gloomy beacon]

Does anyone have anything better to do rn?

[sage raptor]

no

[gloomy beacon]

Rip

Have fun

[sage raptor]

youre next bucko!

[gloomy beacon]

Plsno

[sage raptor]

:)

[wheat jay]

Presenting my point in a way that gets across and annoys people is better than just presenting it

[undone ermine]

Ok.

[wheat jay]

Its same with being a villain vs supervillain

[gloomy beacon]

I mean, sounds like the same thing - is there a distinction? Lol

[sage raptor]

presentation

[undone ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-presentation-cool-dramatic-behold-gif-4559759

[gloomy beacon]

Good now you are all on the same page and can’t stop 😄

[wheat jay]

Fuck yeah xD

[gloomy beacon]

Can stop**

Lol

[wheat jay]

Anyway, almost 2am and i got 12h shift tomorrow

Gnight y'all

[gloomy beacon]

Night

[sharp meteor]

Night.

[sage raptor]

https://youtu.be/krxU5Y9lCS8

YOU CANT ALWAYS GET WHATCHU WANT

Remember

When arms isn't an S tier spec in DF, you can't always get what you want.

But if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need (A tier spec)

[undone ermine]

I mean I'm not here to quibble over 5-10% of damage or whatever; it's that arms doesn't feel as fun to play. Condemn is strong but also it's just 1 button; without it though nothing feels like it really does anything - damage-wise. It just feels flat compared to where it was a week ago.

My worry isn't about hitting S-Tier or whatever, who cares about that. My worry is that Arms won't be fun anymore.

[sage raptor]

Hey it be that way sometimes

[undone ermine]

Sure, but I'm still gonna bitch about it. At least until I find another main.

[craggy socket]

anyone got a good name plate addon? or a way I can see important things like totems but not hunter pets/lock army/dk shit etc

[craggy socket]

Just because you say something alot doesnt mean its true

[undone ermine]

I like Tidy Plates, good aesthetic and lots of customization.

[craggy socket]

like this guy is still living in the "its only beta" shit still lmfao

ok ill try that

[sage raptor]

But

It's beta

Lol

[craggy socket]

Right they'll fix it its only beta

bfa and shadowlands

[undone ermine]

I mean we can't really pretend DF is the same, it's clearly being treated differently and there's a much larger team; but also given history a little skepticism is healthy.

[thorn herald]

Arms damage is alright on beta

It's more fun to play

Still doesn't feel right

[undone ermine]

I feel a lot better when MS hits harder; it's sort of the Arms cornerstone, it shouldn't feel as anemic as it does.

[hollow walrus]

any fury pvp talent builds

[craggy socket]

Honestly fuck you if you play DH

[full quiver]

Honestly don't know how they lose to anything that's not also a dh lol

[lean burrow]

outlaw D tier

[undone ermine]

I've had some success on Mage in SS, but that's at about 1500 and it's mostly because they can't deal with being kited.

[sage raptor]

we're not talking about fixing things. We're talking about tuning lol.

[full quiver]

Yeah I wouldn't place too much faith on these lists until we're a couple weeks into the season

[sage raptor]

they didn't fix the systems in the expansion of which DF has none and has nothing to do with class tuning.

[obsidian loom]

whats the meta arms build the pin is mud's bg build

[lean burrow]

no meta in prepatch

just suffer

[sage raptor]

the meta for warr is you logout, log in to your DH, ???, profit.

[obsidian loom]

man can i get a fucking heal

[sage raptor]

no

screw you

my heals

[obsidian loom]

WOW

reported

[sage raptor]

im reporting you for reporting

[obsidian loom]

D:

can you do that

[sage raptor]

I am now

im adding that to my report

[thorn herald]

I tried the bleed build

Fun to see things about it already nerfed

[thorn estuary]

for totems ive used NugTotemIcon, it places a big icon over totems to ez targeting

Idk if its working on pre-patch

[thorn herald]

i got a 17k ms today

that was fun

[tardy flame]

Just use a macro that replaces the Condemn tooltip with Mortal Strike, and an add-on that displays a Mortal Strike icon next to any damage numbers for Condemn. Boom! "Mortal Strike" feels good to press

[thorn herald]

got a 31k in a bg just now without berserking lol

its just about hurricane and conq banner

[fickle forge]

Can't wait to abuse Conq Banner in DF 😎👍

[thorn herald]

i have another one

u wanan see it now or patch day

[lean burrow]

dew it

[rare ibex]

I broke 50k on a condemn finally

Still not sure how that one dude was hitting 75k condemns

[steel badge]

TY for this interaction my man- I’m crying laughing reading those comments

[lean burrow]

[sage raptor]

Hi

[nocturne osprey]

makes no sense how they go into prepatch with half the warrior abilities having pvp modifier

but they cant adjust shit like decimating bolt or moonfire or soulrend

[lean burrow]

[warped warren]

[steep inlet]

Yes ?

It’s not s3 or s4 anymore

Have you guys played it on DF or you are just mind blocked on S tier SL outlaw

[lean burrow]

wait, you guys play this game?

i thought it's just memes

[warped warren]

nop)

[fickle forge]

I'm not a 100% sure I'd take Raiku's word without a grain of salt though tbh

Even if he's arguably the best player in the world

[steep inlet]

Karg

It was just an example

It’s really the consensus on beta

[muted surge]

Feral and ele feel stronger. But there aren’t many ferals on beta