pvp

[muted surge]

I see

[raw summit]

Yea that's how i found out

[elfin surge]

throwback

1000cr between glad and r1

🤣

[muted surge]

What was s4

[knotty atlas]

I swear to god, i'm going to pick up PvP, wreck all of you guys in any bracket of the arena and call it a day.

[elfin surge]

[knotty atlas]

Jk, i'm using the auto trinket pvp talent.

[raw summit]

[undone pumice]

[wheat jay]

[sly walrus]

Imagine getting PvP purged again not because of toxic but just cause y’all keep @ ing mwahi

[muted surge]

Pussy

[lean burrow]

what's that pvp talent called?

[cinder thorn]

😂

[spice hornet]

Good morning @elfin surge

@formal junco

[elfin surge]

[spice hornet]

@bruin

[formal junco]

@spice hornet heya

[spice hornet]

[elfin surge]

He's real

[undone pumice]

[vagrant saddle]

Anyone have a good build for prot pvp?
also, whats the stat priority?

[elfin surge]

We dont play tank

[spice hornet]

@thick reefbug has a good prot build

[vagrant saddle]

You mean YOU dont play tank 😉

[vagrant saddle]

Thanks! I DM'd him

[flat tide]

Is fatality good in pvp?

[elfin surge]

what have u done

[muted surge]

Ye if you have any questions about prot pvp, just dm @thick reefbug or mwahi

[spice hornet]

[copper hare]

At least better than arms without venthyr :D Fury on beta currently feels way ahead of arms though.. Got some huge changes, I'm afraid

[lethal willow]

about to get a pvp weapon which is better to swap out gavel or jaithys?

[undone pumice]

@thick reefbug is best prot ever

[craggy socket]

Fuck warrior in solo q man

if theres tanks its just over

leave it the blizzard to somehow fuck up solo q. Unplayable at this point either its tanks or people just leave and sit another 6+ min que.

also lets leave on SL shit systems

do they even play their own game

i fucking hate that I like this game so much lmao

end rant

[vagrant saddle]

Prepatch isnt meant to be balanced

[sly furnace]

I just log off if i see a tank:) then log in 1min later

[raw summit]

yea but fuck tanks in arenas

[vagrant saddle]

fuck healers in arenas

[raw summit]

thats my ret/war job

[vagrant saddle]

and my tank job is to fuck your ret/war 😉

welcome to rock paper sissors

[flat tide]

You just posted cringe bro

[vagrant saddle]

its the only thing i do

[elfin surge]

tanks are bad for pvp

in every situation

[hard hound]

Lol seems easy , what rating do you play for fuck ret war like that ?

[vagrant saddle]

all ratings

[sharp meteor]

Prot seems balls into anything other than physical comps

Shuffle also utter dogshit if tank/dps/dps goes live

[vagrant saddle]

prot is actually not that good.. good physical dps always whinning because they cant kill a tank when thats the tank's literal job

makes me laugh

[hard hound]

What is the max rating you get in prot ?

[sharp meteor]

Why is every tank like this

"haha people can't kill me"

like they got utterly demolished playing a real spec

[muted surge]

Hope all Tanks get banned

[sharp meteor]

and had to roll the tanky thing

[muted surge]

I report all of them

[vagrant saddle]

tank is a real spec

[cinder thorn]

I don't agree, why are tanks bad but healers not

Tanks supplement your health in other ways if they're on your team and mitigate your damage if they're on enemy team

People just don't know either how to play them or against them sometimes

Some people ignore them and some focus them and the trick is to know when to do what

[vagrant saddle]

its not a reportable offense, all you're doing is being annoying

[elfin surge]

Tanks being tanky isnt the issue in pvp. Tanks providing a one shot mechanic or full team immunity to death is where its a problem.

[vagrant saddle]

this 100%

[muted surge]

Show me how the prot war keeps me alive

Or mitigates anything

[vagrant saddle]

the point of the tank is to mitigate damage for their team and be a disruptor

[scarlet barn]

Bodyguard

Intervene

[muted surge]

Zzz

[sharp meteor]

Legit 99% of tank players are just tanky dps

then there's like half a dozen okay paladins

[elfin surge]

chat has become cringe

[sharp meteor]

they'll all just float around 1600 in shuffle where they belong

and say that their teams don't know how to play with tanks

because heaven knows they can't get 2v2 or 3v3 queues

[scarlet barn]

Hey arent you that guy that abused energy drinks to get multiple R1?

[vagrant saddle]

show me where the tank touched you on this doll

[muted surge]

Tank players have no hands and get the shaft if they play something else

Ban them

[cinder thorn]

🙈😂😂😂

[sharp meteor]

The only tanks I queue into are outlaw.

[cinder thorn]

You guys are so funny, I'm glad to be with fellow warriors here

I just don't get your aversion to tanks considering warrior is a classic tank class

[vagrant saddle]

i love watching dps whine about tanks, it fuels me

not enough rage

[sharp meteor]

?

I'm sure you're quite the menace in random bgs

[muted surge]

Seems like you never played a dps then

[sharp meteor]

I'd love to queue into something like prot warr in actual arena

[hard hound]

Can’t Waite to see you cry because tank usless in df arena xD

[vagrant saddle]

literally everyone has played a dps

[sharp meteor]

i just dislike tank/dps/dps shuffle

[cinder thorn]

Me too, I don't particularly enjoy tanks as much as I used to, but I'm becoming increasingly inclined to make one just to piss people off 😂

[vagrant saddle]

i've been playing since wow beta

[sharp meteor]

What are your healers thoughts of you playing tank

[vagrant saddle]

i love when people complain about tanks but not healers

healers are WAAY harder to kill than tanks

and way more annoying

[elfin surge]

Lol u have to be trolling man

[green wyvern]

can't tell if trolling or low iq

[vagrant saddle]

I am not

[cinder thorn]

All tanks do is make people have to think a bit more about what cooldowns to use when and who to attack

If that's an issue to people then so be it

[sharp meteor]

LMAO

[muted surge]

Actually lost

[elfin surge]

you do know blizz balances pvp around 3s healer/dps/dps. Tanks arent even a thought.

[vagrant saddle]

if that was the case, wouldnt they just remove your ability to queue as a tank?

And Blizzard has NEVER said they dont want tanks in the 3v3 meta

[muted surge]

So you play since wow beta yes?

[elfin surge]

They should. People have been pushing for that for years.

[vagrant saddle]

yes

[cinder thorn]

They are a thought that's why they gave them a massive debuff in pvp to make them more killable and aoe protection abilities which still exist

[vagrant saddle]

I was 15 years old

i was obssessed with Warcraft 3 and when i heard about WoW i freaked out

[craggy socket]

imagine posting here that your a tank and being proud of it

[cinder thorn]

There are interviews with the lead guy at blizzard saying they want tanks to be more viable in pvp, not necessarily highest end but at least viable

[craggy socket]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

thats how you look qing as tank in solo suffle

[muted surge]

Tanks would be fine if they are balanced, but you can’t even start to compare prot to pally or Druid

[vagrant saddle]

exactly this

[craggy socket]

shuffle*

[green wyvern]

lmao imagine rank 1 solo shuf prot warriors in lfg "RANK 1 WARRIOR LF 3s"

[vagrant saddle]

and thats how you look when you complain about people playing in arena against you

[craggy socket]

Blizzard can't even balance the game and they want to add tanks lmao

Nah guardian druids doing insane damage

[vagrant saddle]

they arent adding tanks, they've been in the game since launch

[hard hound]

You will never get a glad with a prot build

[raw summit]

psure most people are tanks for the queues

[craggy socket]

and as a warrior without a healer its gg

tanks have not been included in PvP pretty much ever

[vagrant saddle]

imagine complaining about shuffle queue

[raw summit]

tanks can stay in bgs

[muted surge]

Nah man just think about how you play

[craggy socket]

You're a fucking clown and you are ruining solo q

[sharp meteor]

Anybody currently playing prot aside from a few paladins isn't gonna get top 0.1% prot

[vagrant saddle]

literally since TBC season one launch you could play as a tank in arenas

you must be new around here

[cinder thorn]

I know they struggle to balance the game as it is and that tanks add a layer of complexity

Just wanted to correct the idea that blizz dont want tanks in pvp

[green wyvern]

what do you mean, prot warrior has nothing to do with prot paladin

[craggy socket]

Ill bet money they remove tanks from solo Q

[green wyvern]

@sharp meteor

[craggy socket]

Tanks in solo q will kill it tbh

[vagrant saddle]

i'll bet money they wont

[craggy socket]

You on clown boy

[vagrant saddle]

solo queue is a stupid idea anyways

[elfin surge]

I've played with and as a tank in pvp. They require 0 skill to play and artificially boost bad players to rating they dont belong at.

[craggy socket]

Thank you

[vagrant saddle]

whine more

[craggy socket]

Solo Q is a great idea

[muted surge]

So is that how you got r1. I see

[hard hound]

In solo shuffle after 2100 you will never see tank imo

[cinder thorn]

And FYI I used to pvp and raid as a protection paladin before they even had an official Tanking tree when they were given that shield throw etc at TBC

[muted surge]

Only aff locks kek

[sharp meteor]

All tanks in shuffle will do is pollute low MMR (where they belong)

[hard hound]

Yeah

[vagrant saddle]

i love all these 1600 players who only queue in solo queue complaining about tanks and mentioning glad as if ANY of you have glad

[muted surge]

Gotta push at the start to escape the tank hell

[craggy socket]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Emerald Dream/Nayrock

[green wyvern]

Mud rank 1 arms+fury, Nayrock gets rank 1 as prot warrior = both rank 1 warriors means Nayrock = Mud

[hard hound]

Like in 3s no tank with 1600 cr xD

[sharp meteor]

All four seasons of SL just like every other Warrior player.

[muted surge]

Atleast mud is one of the best wars kek

[hard hound]

I got 😉

[hard hound]

Haha

[craggy socket]

"1600 players" LOL

[sharp meteor]

LMAO

[cinder thorn]

With respect you should take that back because its bullshit

Tanks are actually hard to play because they need more awareness than a dps in terms of your team CDs enemy CDs and positioning of everyone on both teams

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, that's about what I expected. 💀 👌

[craggy socket]

100% what I expected him to be 😄

[muted surge]

So everything from him has 0 value. Nice.

[vagrant saddle]

I main prot paladin to be honest. only now trying out prot warrior in SL because prot pal in DF is trash

[green wyvern]

half this chat is glads, it's not even hard to get since BfA

[craggy socket]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-step-right-up-folks-ringmaster-barnum-and-bailey-circus-ringmaster-gif-16911616

[vagrant saddle]

dude you're 1500. shush

[muted surge]

Don’t they share the achievement’s?

[vagrant saddle]

no

[green wyvern]

there's a separate ladder for prot warrior and prot paladin

and every other tank

[vagrant saddle]

every spec has their own ladder

[elfin surge]

no

[sharp meteor]

It just keeps getting better.

[hard hound]

Pgm

I reroll prot now

[muted surge]

I got the same achievements on all of my chars

So ye they do

[vagrant saddle]

not my main. i have 4 paladins and my main is horde. deep digging and try harder

[sly furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-blob-gif-23105869

[peak pewter]

is there any pasable guide for fury pvp? didnt see anything on wowhead

[craggy socket]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clown-honk-honk-honk-red-nose-gif-13876101

[sharp meteor]

"It's not my main" 💀

[craggy socket]

Nah im done

[raw summit]

not yet nah

[peak pewter]

ty

[craggy socket]

You should really reroll guardian druid

theyre the OP tank

[vagrant saddle]

Nah i like sword and board

but Guardian is the OP tank for sure

im jealous of them in RBGs

[craggy socket]

or try warlocks theyre basically tanks right now too

[vagrant saddle]

i play warlock too

i play a lot of classes

[muted surge]

Ofc you do

[vagrant saddle]

warlock is really fun right now

affl and demo

[hard hound]

Can we now stop tanking about prot in this chan ? 😄

[vagrant saddle]

prot pvp is the only good topic

[thorn herald]

ATC gamers rise up

[vagrant saddle]

I'd actually never play prot again if it was viable to play arms with sword and board

i prefer arms playstyle but sword and board

[thorn herald]

Imagine if transmog worked like that and you could go to a studio to set animations

Hire me blizz I'll make mortal strike perma 50% and remove pvp modifiers from it

[vagrant saddle]

If I could transmog my 2h sword into a sword and board I would flip out with excitement

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-alliance-stormwind-guard-knight-gif-22155484

[small silo]

can you cancel blade storm did they change it back ?

[thorn herald]

Where my alliance gamers at

[vagrant saddle]

I only wear alliance themed transmog

and horde themed on my horde chars

[thorn herald]

Being the 2nd class citizens of wow

We pay for the privilege

[muted surge]

Forum got the spirit tho

[thorn herald]

I have a fun one that makes me a slut

[vagrant saddle]

your conversation is delete them. thats not a conversation

[muted surge]

I also said it would be fine if they balance them

[vagrant saddle]

im fine with balancing them

im fine with refining their role and purpose

[elfin surge]

i wish i wasnt at work so i could be a part of this

[muted surge]

But they won’t do that, so deleting is the only option

[sharp meteor]

I just want them thrown in as a dps instead of healer so instead of disappearing at 2100 they stop popping up at 1600

[high sparrow]

"You shouldnt be allowed to post here unless you're a high rated warrior (1700 or higher)" - Nayrock or something

[vagrant saddle]

they wont do that either so balancing is the better option

[scarlet barn]

Thats not evne new thing

[thorn herald]

But should prot pallys count as healers still then

[scarlet barn]

Used to be thing on some forum

[near delta]

That would be way more reasonable

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, the 1700 tank That's usually where they peak

[scarlet barn]

And some peoiple wanted it here already

1700 also is peanuts

[near delta]

Only prot pallies and guardians can even heal

[sharp meteor]

Okay, so, tanks occupy the slot of a dps AND there's a limit of 1 per shuffle.

[near delta]

Yup

[thorn herald]

Nah they get way higher due to how fast their games and queues are

[muted surge]

But that was your highest no?

[sharp meteor]

(provided blizz won't outright disable them)

[near delta]

And what's his face stunandbung can still feel good about himself lmao

[thorn herald]

And because of how stupid solo shuffle mmr is rn

[sharp meteor]

Everybody gets way higher rn because shuffle is a mess and you oculdn't lose rating until a day ago

[vagrant saddle]

they wont

[sharp meteor]

Going negi = dodge

Don't @ me you cretin.

[scarlet barn]

IQ maybe

[vagrant saddle]

u stfu, i replied

[thorn herald]

I'm doing it

I'm gonna @ him

[scarlet barn]

Oh boy

[vagrant saddle]

@sharp meteor

[thorn herald]

@sharp meteor

[scarlet barn]

we getting content today

[muted surge]

@sharp meteor

[scarlet barn]

Yesterday Dekel and mud

Today Tank justifiers in pvp

[raw summit]

https://tenor.com/view/crusader-crusader3455-wow-spazz-out-beast-mode-gif-25970151

[muted surge]

Content 2 days in a row

Very nice

[raw summit]

the nuke is coming

[sharp meteor]

Today the gutter MMR tanks out in force. 🤠

[thorn herald]

Down with the Psyduck mafia

[vagrant saddle]

i only play WoW for RBgs tbh

[muted surge]

So 2k

[thorn herald]

Rbgs are fun

[raw summit]

rbger take

[thorn herald]

More fun as a rogue tho

[vagrant saddle]

RBGs and group WPvP are the only reasons I play WoW

[sharp meteor]

Imagine all the poor people waiting for a bear then a male human prot in the incel mog joins the group

[raw summit]

youd enjoy classic

[thorn herald]

LOL

[vagrant saddle]

not wrong

[high sparrow]

that actually explains a lot 🤣

[vagrant saddle]

prot war is trash and unwanted in rbgs compared to veng dh and guard drood

[thorn herald]

Blood dks rise up

[hard hound]

Imagine play only tank and play only in rbg , and don’t play dh or drood XD

[vagrant saddle]

yup, its called player choice

pretty cool

imagine only playing the FotM and still being trash at the class/spec

[thorn herald]

Are you the people's shield?

[muted surge]

Ngl I’m suprised that you even got 2k in rbg with prot

[hard hound]

We need ppl like you in low tiers for win cr and climb faster

[vagrant saddle]

yes

[thorn herald]

[vagrant saddle]

it used to be good.

especially in WoD with glad stance

[thorn herald]

You're not abom

[vagrant saddle]

RIP glad stance

abom is my hero

[thorn herald]

He's the people's 🛡️

[elfin surge]

Tank players, pve is that way ----->

[vagrant saddle]

I'm the people's buckler

[thorn herald]

Need to inv abomb to this chat

[vagrant saddle]

DPS players, pve is that way ---->

[vagrant saddle]

he's in it

[raw summit]

i hope you find a better gimmick someday

[sharp meteor]

Hard to be the peoples champ when you can't find a single person to play with.

[vagrant saddle]

nah i'll just ride this wave until Ashes of Creation releases

[vagrant saddle]

I have loads of people to play with

[sharp meteor]

Is that the new fotm mmo

[vagrant saddle]

it will be eventually

[thorn herald]

Yeah

[vagrant saddle]

for pvpers

its coming out in 2035

[sharp meteor]

is it going to be as big and popular as wildstar and new world

[high sparrow]

will last a whole of 3 days

[muted surge]

First true thing you said

[vagrant saddle]

It wont be the most popular, definitely not. its for a niche crowd

[sharp meteor]

surely it'll be different this time

it won't crash and burn like every single other game

[high sparrow]

yeah this one for sure is the wow killer

[sharp meteor]

(click here to order the 300 dollar founders edition)

[vagrant saddle]

FF14 and ESO and GW are all doing well.. there's more than just WoW out there

[vagrant saddle]

Ashes isnt for the wow crowd. Retail lovers will hate it

[muted surge]

Why?

[thorn herald]

Oh wildstar

[high sparrow]

iq not high enough

[vagrant saddle]

you have to walk places, emphasis on world pvp and group play

[craggy socket]

FF14 is literal dog poo

[sharp meteor]

Too difficult, you've got to be a high mmr (1600) tank to truly understand it.

[vagrant saddle]

not instanced based like WoW is now

[high sparrow]

1700*

(2k rbg)

[hard hound]

Probably boosted

[sharp meteor]

Can't wait to see the 1.7k CR havocs in DF s1 lf glad push (2.6k shuffle exp)

[thorn herald]

It'll be a repeat of s12 with 11 yr olds getting glad if they don't tune dh down

[high sparrow]

wouldnt surprise me if it wasnt

2500 bfa rbg rating was like 1800 arena

[cinder thorn]

You know what the problem is, that blizzard don't report on damage mitigated in the score screens

Nor do they report on interrupts or any impedance of the enemy teams progress

If they did then there would be more respect for the tanks role

As it has stood, the main things that are consistently reported on score screens are damage and healing values and kills

That's why everyone and their mother plays dps and healers and tanks are often in short supply

Because tank players have to not care about others knowing how good they are

So I understand why most players don't get it, and I'm totally cool with it

I also have full respect for everyone here who are excellent dps players with high ranks and ratings

[vagrant saddle]

speak brother!

[sharp meteor]

tank player speaking

[raw summit]

i just hope the tanks go to pve

[muted surge]

But they do

[raw summit]

thats where we want them

[sharp meteor]

as if anybody gonna read that

[vagrant saddle]

i dont do pve

[vagrant saddle]

true, 11 year old warrior kids dont have that kind of attention spam

its 2022

[cinder thorn]

I hardly ever pve, I haven't done a raid since Kaelthas in TBC years ago

I only PvP

[vagrant saddle]

i hate pve. especially raiding

takes too long to kill bosses.

i get bored

pvp is the only thing i like in games

[raw summit]

m+ is good content

[vagrant saddle]

🤢 🤮

[thorn herald]

m+ is cool

Blizz 5 man's always been top tier

[muted surge]

Bring back 5s

[thorn herald]

Gross

[muted surge]

???

[vagrant saddle]

i loved 5v5

my fav bracket

[muted surge]

It thought 5 man content was top tier

[thorn herald]

🗿

[craggy socket]

5v5 should be brought back

no reason to not have it

[vagrant saddle]

Then tanks will have a better place

[muted surge]

1 Tank 1 heal 3 dps

[vagrant saddle]

yeaaaah

[muted surge]

We going full pve meta

[sharp meteor]

5v5 had rewards stripped because it was dead enough to be reliably wintraded, then people stopped playing it entirely because obviously it's pointless without rewards and that resulted in the mode being discontinued.

[muted surge]

But every team without prot pal or Druid will lose

[sharp meteor]

The playerbase killed 5v5

[vagrant saddle]

WoW's playerbase is low IQ/young overall compared to other MMOs

its the fortnite of MMOs

[sharp meteor]

15 years of reach 1700

[vagrant saddle]

WoW isnt my main MMO first of all. I sub for like 3 months out of each expac

your attempt of unwarranted insult have no effect on me

[raw summit]

yea man ff14 andies are so smart

[sharp meteor]

Ah, yes, the cope

[vagrant saddle]

FF14 pvp is trash

but i did beat the main story

and unsubbed after doing so

Conqueror's Blade and BDO is where i have the most fun in pvp

and Glad Stance Warrior in WoD ❤️

Guild Wars 2 has some decent pvp as well

[thorn herald]

Glad stance was nowhere near as good as wotlk prot

[vagrant saddle]

Glad stance was bae

most fun ive ever had in wow pvp since Vanilla

[thorn herald]

Bro they literally have everything you want

Rn

Just go play wotlk classic on grobbulus or eranikus

[vagrant saddle]

I do

I play on grob

lol

[elfin surge]

Arguing with a tank player is pointless tbh. I don't want to insult anyone here but they all don't know how arena works.

If i have to start explaining the fundamentals of how arenas work for you to understand why tanks dont belong, its just not a conversation worth having.

And saying people only hate tanks because they dont know how to fight them is just wrong. Every rank 1 wow pvper agrees that tanks should be banned from rated pvp. Clearly it's not a skill issue then.

[vagrant saddle]

my only complaint about wotlk classic is no transmog and no RBGs

[vagrant saddle]

yet they exist and flourish and are loved in all other MMOs except WoW. Why is that? they have a viable spot in pvp in EVERY other MMO except WoW. WoW is renowned for having a stubborn playerbase.

[merry valley]

i wouldnt mind tanks in pvp arena, as long as defensives health heal and dmg were ajusted

wich would turn them into dps xD

[vagrant saddle]

Exactly. just make them viable and ablanced and give them a desired role in arenas. thats how you fix it, not by telling a group of the pvp community that they cant pvp anymore

give them a role of being a team cc and damage mitigator. a disruptor, a CCer. nerf their damage.

The point of the tank in all the other MMOs is to be so annoying that the enemy team feels they need to focus him instead of their squishy team mates. effectively tanking their team

and that role works well

[muted surge]

in what games?

[vagrant saddle]

GW2, Albion, ESO, EVE Online, Conq Blade, BDO

those are the ones im aware of and play often

im sure there's alot more

MOBAs do it well too (like HotS, LoL, Smite.)

[sage raptor]

Arguing with a tank player is pointless tbh. I don't want to insult anyone here but they all don't know how arena works.

If i have to start explaining the fundamentals of how arenas work for you to understand why tanks dont belong, its just not a conversation worth having.

And saying people only hate tanks because they dont know how to fight them is just wrong. Every rank 1 wow pvper agrees that tanks should be banned from rated pvp. Clearly it's not a skill issue then.

[sharp meteor]

Arguing with a tank player is pointless tbh. I don't want to insult anyone here but they all don't know how arena works.

If i have to start explaining the fundamentals of how arenas work for you to understand why tanks dont belong, its just not a conversation worth having.

And saying people only hate tanks because they dont know how to fight them is just wrong. Every rank 1 wow pvper agrees that tanks should be banned from rated pvp. Clearly it's not a skill issue then.

[merry valley]

dont need to go far, neightbour overwatch has tanks in pvp combat

[ancient sonnet]

Do we have to bind battle stance and d stance seperate now or is there a toggle macro?

[vagrant saddle]

yup Overwatch does it well too

[thorn herald]

You gotta make a macro

[ancient sonnet]

know what the macro is by chance?

[thorn herald]

Idk if d stance is worth it at 10%

[sharp meteor]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance

[muted surge]

albion dead, eso has shit pvp, eve online is a completely differen genre, conq blad dead and BDO doesnt have arena (well now it does) and there were no real tanks

[ancient sonnet]

❤️

[vagrant saddle]

Albion is fucking huge. what are you smoking?

none of those games are dead

[muted surge]

oh wait which albion

[vagrant saddle]

ConqBlade is pretty big still too

Albion Online

[thorn herald]

Nayrock ur not gonna convince anyone that isn't already neutral about tanks that they deserve a spot in arena

[muted surge]

38k players mhm

[clear quiver]

In previous expansions we could argue other mmos pvp experience being worse than wows, but shadowlands has just been an avalanche of unbalanced problems steam rolling over itself. I dont think our playerbase is in a position to say our games pvp is better than any other games. Just that there is aspects we enjoy about it more

[thorn herald]

The only thing more unifying for them is PvE gear in arenas

[vagrant saddle]

38k is a lot. also, which game are you refering to?

[muted surge]

conq blade 1.3 on steam kek

[vagrant saddle]

WoW's playerbase could be served hot shit by Blizz and think its the best systems and pvp in the world

[ancient sonnet]

is the condemn build the play if you want to suffer though prepatch atm?

[thorn herald]

As arms yes

[vagrant saddle]

no one plays CB on steam. thats like looking at GW2's Steam numbers

[muted surge]

estimted like 10k

[ancient sonnet]

know what soulbind/conduits to run?

[thorn herald]

What content r u doing

@ancient sonnet

[ancient sonnet]

shuffle

[thorn herald]

Draven

[sly walrus]

AAF and harrowing of ur venth arms

Most other conds don’t work or suck hard

[thorn herald]

Nadja won't proc in shuffles games are over too fast

[ancient sonnet]

rodger, ty

[thorn herald]

Draven will give you more HP when u get stunned and die

:^)

U could try theotar for the root break but idk how the umbrella works

Mastery is good now tho makes u feel like a real DPS if u have a lot of it

[ancient sonnet]

better than haste/crit?

[thorn herald]

I've been doing crit mastery to some success

Haste just makes us hit them with a noodle faster

[elfin surge]

Warrior is dead

[sage raptor]

Prot supremacy

[thorn herald]

Prot gamers rise up

[sage raptor]

🙏

[merry valley]

i feel the charge on crushing blow with how reckless abandon works now on beta wouldnt be too strong

[sage raptor]

You're right it wouldnt.

[elfin surge]

I actually haven't seen a single warrior in 2s yet.

[cinder thorn]

😂 This! Exactly how I feel

Crit is hitting with a dry noodle

[thorn herald]

Funny all I queue into in solo shuffles and 3s are fellow arms warriors

[elfin surge]

o i dont want to q solo shuffle yet

[mystic barn]

@dekel

[ancient sonnet]

yea war feels real bad lol

[hard hound]

It’s your husband ?

[mystic barn]

I had an important question

[hard hound]

Go ask on his twitch then ^^

[mystic barn]

no

[sage raptor]

You're back

[elfin surge]

@mystic barn is a troll

[mystic barn]

No I’m not

[sage raptor]

See?

He's not

[elfin surge]

@mystic barn is the homie tho

[cunning harness]

Hey all, wanted to ask whether fury warrior has any good double dps comps for 2s? And will this change in dragonflight?

[undone pumice]

last i checked feral was decent but double dps with warr is kinda cocaine

[merry valley]

Played Fury Unholy in 2s till 2k s2 s3 s4, power of friendship was strong else wouldnt do it

[elfin surge]

Feral Fury has actually been one of the best comps for war in 2s in shadowlands

Prob still good. I've done well as unholy fury in prepatch tho.

[cunning harness]

Thanks. Im not looking to push crazy rating would be happy with 1.8k casually tbh

And then look for a healer. Ive played healer all my time in wow so now scared that as a dps its gna take ages to find teams!

[elfin surge]

Warrior is pretty bad rn and most dps wont want to play with you if you're going through lfg. Hell, even healers wont want to play with a war rn.

[cunning harness]

Is that for DF?

or right now?

[muted surge]

yes

[elfin surge]

Right now. It's a bit better at 70 but still not great. Who knows tho, anything could change.

[full quiver]

god damn it i cant change my name in this server to i stand with dekel

lmfao

[merry valley]

Just play Solo Shuffle

Rated or Skirm

[muted surge]

shuffle. kek.

[merry valley]

will be hard but better than playing roulette with lfg

[muted surge]

yea

atleast you can force people to play with you

[merry valley]

exacly

[lean island]

What make warrior dead?

[full quiver]

blizzard

[full quiver]

when we queueing dad

[lean island]

I think is good, but numbers not great cause pre patch not balanced

[elfin surge]

we die and dh do double our dam while also not dying

[full quiver]

lol

[elfin surge]

[lean island]

Dh can play with the hunt and fking dot from venthyr now

[thorn herald]

because theres nothing we do that other dps dont do better

[nimble jasper]

sinful brand aint good

[thorn herald]

and instead we're just a big fat liability

[nimble jasper]

unless its shuffle

[thorn herald]

its better at 70

[nimble jasper]

yeah let me make my main cd a dispellable dot

[proven maple]

Lock/dh/dk are pre-patch champs. I’m praying for actual serous tuning prior to the start of the next rated season. Condemn can’t save us forever.

[thorn herald]

dh and lock are champs on beta too

lol

sin rogues are flying under the radar rn too

[nimble jasper]

havent seen alot of rogues oddly enough

[thorn herald]

maybe more at 70

even with the hp buff you die like 2-3 seconds after a deathmark go

and they have what, 48% MS?

[nimble jasper]

trimaz said sin is only spec that doesnt suck

in df

24

[thorn herald]

idk it was saying 48 on beta

cause they can talent more stacks

[nimble jasper]

in pve?

[thorn herald]

pvp

[elfin surge]

Hpriest/prot is a 2s comp now nice. Only took me 80% damp to kill them.

[nimble jasper]

sin always had that talent

it just got moved to the class tree

in df

you have 2 charges of shiv tho

which is basically sharpen with hemotoxin

[thorn herald]

go comment on his thread

[elfin surge]

link

[thorn herald]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/i-need-a-nf-prot-paly-for-2s-right-now/1390389

[nimble jasper]

everyone just played

deadly poison in sl

so no ms

[proven maple]

Yea holy Priest low key doing way too much dam as a pure heals spec

[nimble jasper]

havent played beta if you havent been soloed

by an hpriest yet

[blazing burrow]

are there any talent trees for fury pvp

[elfin surge]

cringe

[proven maple]

I have a buddy whose hardcore disc cuz he loves to do dam while healing. He is very unhappy that holy is pumping harder then disc

[nimble jasper]

vendes the hpriest destro abuser in bfa

trying to play another stupid comp

surprise?

[proven maple]

I mean as long as this stuff stays in pre-patch. But I gotta admit my strong concerns. This isnt the pvp we’ve ever really had before. It’s wonky

[nimble jasper]

gotten hit by mindgames for 90k on beta

so no

[thorn herald]

i got a 100k execute on beta

i felt good about that

[elfin surge]

more cringe

[nimble jasper]

yeah

he was crying when destro wasnt t1

so hard

[thorn herald]

this was my latest tank in shuffle

[nimble jasper]

tank

60k hp

doesnt shuffle scale you up

[thorn herald]

Nope

Not if you're in PvE gear

[nimble jasper]

hmm

[proven maple]

Oh man. He’s dead in two globals every match. No one will even attack anything else. Bet that was fun

[nimble jasper]

people go into shuffles with 0 gear its funny

[rare ibex]

I'm losing about 50 rating per tank match.. how much of a rating loss is leaving now?

[thorn herald]

Same as losing 6 people say 100

[rare ibex]

mm maybe worth it

I have 5 min queues and win 4-6 with healers..

[muted surge]

Just be fast enough with the logout

[rare ibex]

I try

[muted surge]

try like you condemn. Harder

[rare ibex]

Just got 2 in a row where I didn't even know it was tanks till the arena loaded it was so fast.

Thankfully won 3/6 in one..

[sage raptor]

Adapt

Ezpz

[rare ibex]

Got a good loadout for pure defense?

I've been experimenting with changing talents for tank modes.. but I'm not a great player to begin with

[sage raptor]

I was just trolling really. I just let the tank and other dps go in and I use my defensives offensively and it's been doing great so far.

[rare ibex]

Usually when I get into tanks, it's 6 melee. I am up against 2 dks typically.. which outsustain me by a good margin

[thorn herald]

Saving grace of arms is dbts

[rare ibex]

Toss in a DH or two and it's really tough. Got hit with a 60k elysian might last round

[muted surge]

In a Tank Game i usually just stay away

[rare ibex]

Yeah for sure. I get that DBTS duration, gripped, and usually dead.

[muted surge]

Until someone goes to 50%

Then swoop in with cds

[rare ibex]

I use dbts, rally, i.victory, bitter immunity.. still die first unless a serious gear imbalance.

But I will try to stay out of the fray a bit more

[muted surge]

Arms is mostly the target anyway

If they can’t catch you, your team gets a bit of free dmg

Was the only way sofar for me to somewhat win

Especially bcs parry is a fucking joke anyway

[rare ibex]

I'm really diehard Arms after 2-3 seasons of fury in a row... but if someone found a compelling Fury build I'd probably play it.

[sharp meteor]

ah yes

male human

arathi mog

[muted surge]

That’s the same helmet nayrock uses. Coincidence? I think not

[sharp meteor]

it's like zoning into shuffle and the male belf has a 12 mark of honor mog

you just know who is going 0-6

[muted surge]

Okay that’s racist

[raw summit]

12 mark mogs can be good

Has to be a wrath one tho

[sharp meteor]

sike they go 0-4 and say that the mode is bad then leave

[raw summit]

Or s1

[muted surge]

I use a 12 mark set :<

[elfin surge]

I'm a human male prot warrior using a stormwind mog from moonguard in the guild called "Stormwind Protectors"

[sharp meteor]

i always feel bad in tank shuffles because it's just an ele sham or something getting ran down through everything

and both tanks just do nothing and go 3-3 ea

[undone ermine]

Wait, there's something more useless than an Arms warrior in a Tank shuffle?

Other than the tanks, of course.

[vagrant saddle]

Only Mog worth wearing. Gotta represent

Going to rock this mog in DF though

[undone ermine]

Nice.

Shoulder spikes are a bit out of place, but it's pretty good.

[vagrant saddle]

Yeah couldnt find one as good with the same color tone sadly

[undone ermine]

Such is life.

There's a set of dark grey ones from BFA, Tankbuster Pauldrons or something that might work. Have a blue gem in them.

[vagrant saddle]

Would LOVE these shoulders if they ever make them availabel to players

Both these sets they never made available to players

Very odd

since they're already in-game

[undone ermine]

So many wasted assets in wow.

Those are baller.

These ones.

[lean burrow]

surely this will be twitch drops in 5 years

[vagrant saddle]

right? I was hoping/assuming it would be a drop from Warfront timewalking someday

but idk

[lean burrow]

new set when BfA classic launches

[sharp meteor]

Arathi mogs would've been a sick twitch drop.

Low res green classic dragon 🤢

[undone ermine]

Fair.

The belt from it might work though; the one you've got on is fairly plain. It fits but maybe it could look nicer there.

[cinder thorn]

Omg I love solo shuffle, just wish there was no leavers

[thorn herald]

Blizzard hire this man

[sharp meteor]

The assets are right there. 😭 They'll probably go unused forever.

[cosmic vapor]

i thought this was the ELITE RECOLOR PVP BFA set for season 1 BFA?

the brighter colored one is RNG from Warfronts only.

[thorn herald]

dont talk about that too me

[sharp meteor]

No, the gold one was arathi and the elite one was kind of a more tarnished tint.

[cosmic vapor]

id know, i got all the 'warfront elite' sets

[sharp meteor]

The grey/blue was npc only.

[thorn herald]

my hunter friend stopped queueing and i got lazy and that was the set that got away

[cosmic vapor]

oooooooo ok

[vagrant saddle]

nope, this is the elite set

[sharp meteor]

Idk why they never implemented it

[cosmic vapor]

ye ye ye

sadge times

[thorn herald]

thats a warrior when they see a dh

hair standing on end

[cosmic vapor]

lmao

[sharp meteor]

me whenever i queue into outlaw

[thorn herald]

assassination

[sharp meteor]

assa is my healers problem

if i die i die

[lean burrow]

L + ratio + you're tarnished + no maidens + touch grace

[blissful lagoon]

Is the conduit Mortal Combo broken? I don’t seem to get procs anymore.

[vagrant saddle]

Anyone have a good Arms talent build for RBGs/BGs?

[elfin surge]

This is really the only good arms build. Requires venthyr tho

[vagrant saddle]

I went kyrian when SL first released and havent really played much since season 1

I start at ground zero if i go venthyr now, right?

lose all my conduit power and soulbinds and such?

[elfin surge]

Theres catchups but not sure what you need to qualify for them.

IK theres a 60 renown boost from a vendor

[vagrant saddle]

Seems sufficient! Any chance you know where?

[elfin surge]

Vendor next to flight master in oribos

[vagrant saddle]

ty

[thorn herald]

Been having success using blade storm with hurricane and blademasters torment

[upper perch]

From the wowhead guide - 'Mortal Combo conduit is also overriden by the Exhilarating Blows talent, despite having different effects.'

[blissful lagoon]

Ahh. That’s something I considered since they work similar. Thanks for the info!

[thorn herald]

flarkness put out a blood pvp guide

lol

the damage is waaay better than ours

[rare ibex]

Sad

[pallid sentinel]

what covenant for arms right now?

[sharp meteor]

mmm probs venth cos armor is good again

[past jolt]

There’s Way better bloods out there

Check out bloodzin dudes been blood for better or worse for a decade

And monk

[thorn herald]

im not looking to start playing blood dk lol

was just surprised when i watched flark take thugonomicz to the cleaners with blood

[past jolt]

Think he might just play all@tanks

Oh

That dudes a serial killer looking guy

Flarkness

[thorn herald]

like the man did something liek 40k dps and was getting 40k death strikes

yeah he looks like a serial killer

just crazy damage off blood dks

idk how much of it is the legendary

[past jolt]

I always feel like I’m watching the inner workings of a dude with a manifesto and an Ak

Few times I’ve tuned in

[thorn herald]

he is knowledgeable so i dont mind the voice

[past jolt]

Scary dude tho

[thorn herald]

if u say so

[past jolt]

He’s also mean to ppl in the community apparently telling others to hurt themselves

[thorn herald]

lol

[past jolt]

I’m not lying

[thorn herald]

i dont care if you are or arent

[past jolt]

Oh - so you don’t care about people telling others to kill themselves?

[thorn herald]

no

[past jolt]

You’re a loser

[thorn herald]

i guess so

[elfin surge]

shut up

[thorn herald]

just got arms condemned for 120k

we're fine now guys

[sharp meteor]

deserved for playing prot

[thorn herald]

im fury rn

havent played prot yet

[copper hare]

120k? That doesnt sound realistic

[thorn herald]

hehe it was kotmogu its clickbait!!!

[sharp meteor]

i thought he was just like 4 feet tall so he angrily whispers new players

or like people he invites to his learner viewer rbgs

[elfin surge]

My condemn hits are critting around 40k

[thorn herald]

are you still sstacking haste or have you tried out mastery crit

[elfin surge]

@thorn herald

[sharp meteor]

can realistically play a mix of anything i think aside maybe no haste on fury

if it's just casual pvp though haste doesn't feel great because everybody just dies insta

regearing in prepatch kind of wild tho

[thorn herald]

do u have the conq/honor to try out a mastery set up

im a rat and only came back recently so im on E for most of the currencies

[copper hare]

Would have been really cool if they insta implemented the gear change in pre patch already so pvp gear would already scale up to max at 1/9

[elfin surge]

god no

[copper hare]

Honor farming still sucks ass, specially with the normal solo shuffle bug rn

[thorn herald]

which is weird cause fury gets like 23% free haste from talents

[copper hare]

melee attack speed is not the same as haste

[thorn herald]

imp enrage = 15%, frenzy = 8% haste

all haste not attack speed

[copper hare]

but you had that before DF already and anything below 25% base haste already felt awful

[elfin surge]

Not sure if it was posted here but if anyone wanted the shadowlands style stance this is the macro. 1 button swaps between stances exactly like Legion - Shadowlands

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;!Battle Stance

[copper hare]

I know you hate fury but if you want a single macro that works for both dps specs, here
/cast [spec:1, nostance] Battle Stance; [spec:2, nostance] Berserker Stance; [spec:1, stance:1] Battle Stance; [spec:1, stance:2] Defensive Stance; [spec:2, stance:1] Berserker Stance; [spec:2, stance:2] Defensive Stance

[elfin surge]

TY @copper hare

[tender tangle]

Hello, is there a macro that will cast shattering throw/ wrecking throw depending on which one is talented?

[sharp meteor]

Just keybind one and it'll swap.

[sonic rapids]

what is typically the best pieces to buy first with conquesT?

[thorn herald]

weapon or the actual armor pieces like helmet chest legs i imagine

[sonic rapids]

kk ty

[tender tangle]

@sharp meteor oh thanks! didnt know it did that

[sage raptor]

Playing with healers in solo shuffle makes me want to punch holes in my monitor. Tank matches are such better.

The healers are bad. Might as well have fast games.

[vagrant saddle]

Did Blizz remove Intervene or am I just blind?

[lucid walrus]

should be near d-stance

[vagrant saddle]

ty

[cursive pike]

Should condemn be in dragonflight?

[thorn herald]

would be nice to see a talent or pvp talent that makes our damage ignore armor or a large percentage of armor if csmash is on the target

idk if armor is a thing in pve anymore

[sage raptor]

Armor is the cost of being a warrior

[worldly snow]

anyone have a good fury build for bgs/arenas?

[rare ibex]

@thorn herald how big was that condemn?? My biggest crit is like 35k with 20% mastery

[thorn herald]

it was a 120k condemn that one shot me from full in kotmogu was pretty funny

[rare ibex]

Damn, I'd love to see that guys gear/build.

[thorn herald]

why

it was on kotmogu lol

he mightve had berserking and he crit on it

[rapid shore]

Why Wrecking Throw instead of shatter?

[agile forge]

Yeah why

[green wyvern]

Why not?

You need shatter only for immunities (Bubble/Block/BoP/etc)

Wrecking Throw is on a much shorter cooldown, makes breaking shields like PW:S/Cocoon/Pact much easier

[proven maple]

Wrecking is better into everyone that isn’t pally or mage

Tons better into lock/disc/mw

[marble bone]

Mega fun to just wreck lock shields indeed

Instant trow that does like 25k dmg the shield

[proven maple]

I have played demolition with it into locks and have been underwhelmed though. Didn’t feel like it was actually doing double damage

Bit of the shield was still left and I feel like with demolition it should all be gone

[cinder thorn]

I feel same when I played it, didn't feel worth it, I felt like I got more beating the shit out of them instead

[proven maple]

Exactly why stop pressing condemn?

But like it should hit for 50k with the talent if it’s actually doubled. Like it should blast the whole shield. Not leave up part of it.

While we’re at it. Rebound feels super weak. Been trying to game it. Outside of a 60k lightning bolt reflect on an enhance. It’s been ass

It should lower shield reflect cd too or let it reflect two spells. Or effect your partner too. Something additional to the meager possibly working damage boost

Mostly a bait talent at the moment. Banner used well almost always. Going to be better. Etc

[fickle forge]

It's possibly because it doesn't double the damage

[steep inlet]

did they talk about the charge bug ?

[fickle forge]

Which one of them?

[steep inlet]

The one where you charge at the location of the guy

But if he moves you stay here

Fucking suck

[amber heron]

Anyone know what spec is looking to be on top for war in df

Forget about pre patch bc that shit is garbage

Im talking about endgame dragonflight

[formal creek]

Been away lately and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in saying how the fuck is D stance staying with its stupid nerf in DF

How can a nerf carry over to a new expansion man. Just fucking tune everything accordingly

[cinder thorn]

No one knows until people can reach max DF level and see how their stats and items affect each build

So best you can do now is get familiar with the trees

[graceful ginkgo]

That is so fucked

[muted surge]

Why does no one know?

[cinder thorn]

How would anyone know until people reach the new max level and see how their DF stats are along with DF itemization and how they balance with the talents

Plus anyone saying anything about DF right now is talking crap because there will be weekly tuning going on which means the moment people say this is better than this 1 week later it will potentially change

So there is no point to waste time, wait and see, until then practice all 3 trees or whatever trees you're interested in

[muted surge]

Besides the ongoing tuning

We are indeed lv 70 with conq gear. Just missing some t-set, they they are not a big deal for most classes

[cinder thorn]

sounds good, I suppose you guys in beta are feeding back on behalf of the warrior community to blizzard?

hopefully we have enough representation for our issues to be addressed

[muted surge]

That’s the point of the beta

[graceful ginkgo]

They gotta Fix Charge and dam numbers, then Arms is fine

[graceful ginkgo]

rn fury seems still quite strong, despite losing tier

[agile forge]

Guys, condemn build

I just stack crit versa?

Or what

[elfin surge]

my stats

copy

[agile forge]

Thank u ❤️

[cosmic yarrow]

Does troll racial stack with the 10% snare reduction in talent tree?

[wheat jay]

Wait this happens every expansion xD

Either that or charge launching you in the air if you charge to someone who's higher than you

[steep inlet]

never had this before

[wheat jay]

I remember that happening often in bfa or legion haha

Was funny as hell xD

[proven gyro]

I feel like Arms needs 20% flat buff in pvp

To compete

[hard hound]

you will get it at release

atm 50% reduce damages from armor

at the release 30% reduce damage from armor

[wheat jay]

even more tbh

50% to 30% is a HUGE dmg buff

[hard hound]

yeah

i speak for plate user

[wheat jay]

yep

[hard hound]

you will hit harder on silk

[wheat jay]

but in reality it will be more than 20% buff

[hard hound]

how many armor got a silk user lvl 70 ?

[wheat jay]

no idea

like 20%?

[hard hound]

8800 armor for plate : 36 % damage reduction

imo we will hit like truck on silk

[fickle forge]

0 * 1.2 = 0

😎👍

[hard hound]

dont understand kargish ?

what is 0x1.2

[wheat jay]

kargo is a doomer

[muted surge]

Kek.

No

[fickle forge]

Unfortunately silk also has 50 layers of shielding

[hard hound]

when shield down , big dam inc

[elfin surge]

yes

[past jolt]

Da voodoo shuffle Mon

[spice hornet]

So did they ever explain why guardian Druid doesn’t get its own bracket either? Legit dogshit queueing solo shuffle and being blood dk or prot warriorninto a healing spec guardian, tf? He’s gonna win 4 rounds minimum easily

Not own bracket but rather only fight other guardians I mean*

[sharp meteor]

Tanks so balanced that 2 of them require a mirror only ladder 🙏

Imagine how hard they'd blow the legs off rsham if they were so powerful they could only queue into each other.

[cinder thorn]

If they really are that good they'll get higher rating and meet each other anyway, rating system takes care of such imbalances softly

Even though it will piss people off on the way and mean higher rated people are there by virtue of imbalance etc

[elfin surge]

Prot paladin zzzz

[cinder thorn]

Is that as much as a dedicated healer? lol

[elfin surge]

his 1 button thats an instant cast and doesnt require mana did the same as my healer

cool

[cinder thorn]

That's what I mean, how was damage

[elfin surge]

did 3x the damage of my healer

he was a blessing paladin

[cinder thorn]

So it's like having 2 players worth in 1 pretty much

I'm sure blizz collect these stats in the background

Such data shows glaring how unbalanced it is, I'm sure they'll fix it

[elfin surge]

well ive qd 100+ rated 2s in prepatch and still havent seen a single other war

[sharp meteor]

?

why would one subject themselves willing to prepatch arena

[cinder thorn]

Do you not have beta access? If I did I'd be in there

[elfin surge]

i do but idc ab it

[rapid echo]

hi guys quick question do we get the armor rewards for rated solo shuffle?

[sharp meteor]

You should be able to upgrade everything.

If you mean elite appearance then I'm not sure if the 2100 works, but the 1800 shouldn't.

[rapid echo]

yeah the elite appearance is it no longer available then?

[sharp meteor]

Rival/1800 goodies are seasonal, so those should be gone.

[rapid echo]

i thought we were still in the season

[sharp meteor]

We're in post-season.

[rapid echo]

now it makes sense why im not getting any lol

ty for explaining 🙂

[frail kiln]

Hey fellas. Just got beta access and wanted to test arms/fury - any good prepatch or beta builds floating around?

[cinder thorn]

Dayum, I been looking for beta access how did you get it email from blizzard?

[frail kiln]

Ya super random, first time in 4 expansions I’ve had access.

[cinder thorn]

Congrats dude, hope to get it also so I can get familiar with the new stuff

[copper hare]

maybe you can get beta in 3 weeks

nvm, all players get beta in 3 weeks

[cinder thorn]

Yeah that's not helpful 😝

[muted surge]

You could just buy a beta key

Prob few hundred bucks for an invalid code

But you can try

[cinder thorn]

No thx I want a genuine one

[muted surge]

Then gotta sign up or partake in giveaways

[scarlet barn]

Giveaways are dead afaik

[candid aspen]

Is it completely stupid to not run bladestorm in bgs? I am trying to go fatality for 1v1 skirmishes.

[sharp meteor]

why u 1v1ing

[muted surge]

Playing the worst 1v1 spec, trying to play 1v1

[sharp meteor]

building for 1v1s on warr is rough enough but in a bg setting that seems kind of int

[muted surge]

Bladestorm prob helps more bcs everyone has 200 roots rn

And just wait until evoker comes, another 8 sec big aoe root

[sharp meteor]

just stick with the deathball and beat the shit out of cringe rogue nerds on your backline

[cinder thorn]

Is it good practice to take aoe talents in high end pvp or not?

I keep thinking that if my opponents are decent they won't stack up against a warrior for example so I focus on 1v1 talents

Or do you have two builds one for aoe and one for single target and switch at start of match depending on the enemy comp

[muted surge]

I would always run tc as prot

[cinder thorn]

Sorry I'm talking about arms and fury not prot

[sharp meteor]

depends

sometimes people have to stack

often inefficient to be splitting

[candid aspen]

I AWAN BIG EGSCUTE

[thorn herald]

just depends on the comp. Melee cleaves train targets and naturally stack so you'll take maybe warbreaker. I've been having fun with a hurricane blademasters torment build on the beta but thats only been duels

[cinder thorn]

For those of you guys that are playing beta with @muted surge

Will we still need to upgrade gear like now or do you just buy one set for honor and one with the Conquest etc?

I'm really hoping they simplify the bullshit farming they had in SL and just let people get their abilities, gear and do what they enjoy which is pvp

Also are there any recommendations regarding decisions for warriors whilst leveling and at endgame DF when it comes to reputation gains etc or is there no such headaches

[muted surge]

you buy conq

[past jolt]

Yo I will sell you beta dm me

[muted surge]

and in instanced pvp its max

the upgtrade is only for out of pvp content

[cinder thorn]

All pvp rated and unrated everyone with full set will have equal footing? That's brilliant

[muted surge]

like

crafted

honor

s

and conq

are 11 ilvl diff ? or so

dont have the exact numbers, but theres a differen between them

but you dont need to upgrade the items itself

[cinder thorn]

The point is that there is no wall kind of thing where only high rated players can have the highest Conquest gear and everyone else gets gated

[muted surge]

nope

no rating req

everyone will have the same gear

[cinder thorn]

Perfect!

Thx dude

What about advice on leveling for warriors and reputation with factions anything useful there or is it non consequential mostly

Are there any factions or reputations which are better for warriors etc

[muted surge]

you only get some recipes i think

rest are cosmetics / quest lines

and you ddo all the factions simultanielsy

no choice like in SL

[cinder thorn]

OK, final question

Professions, best for warrior or no such thing?

[muted surge]

engi is the only thing that gives you something

which is disabled in pvp anyway

[cinder thorn]

Are professions excluded from pvp or back to older systems

Ah I remember when I used to play 8 years ago eng was useful in pvp but not anymore

So they continue that trend in DF?

So professions don't matter

Any recommendations regardless? I'm in a position to choose from scratch

[past jolt]

We have a wall bro die by the sword

[muted surge]

prof just doesnt matter

its just for gold gain

well, with BS you can craft a pvp set i guess

[cinder thorn]

Thx, having tried the new system yourself do you think its best for 2 gathering or 1 gathering and 1 crafting is better

[muted surge]

tbh

2 gatheres

[cinder thorn]

Or even 2 crafting, would that be viable wih people supplying own mats+?

[muted surge]

you need rep on your alts to get the recipes

and play them

so if you play only 1char

prob still double gather

[cinder thorn]

Yes 1 char

[muted surge]

you can just get others to craft you shit

if you have a guild, its prob free anyway

[cinder thorn]

I don't have a guild, after 8 years inactivity need to find a pvp guild for a pvp freak like me

Thanks for your responses @muted surge

[thorn herald]

blacksmiths can make weapons and armor, engineering has the goggles if you want a prof that can give yourself something

might be nice to make the weapon and buy pvp weapon last

depending on how fast it takes to get the weapons to a higher ilvl

what kind of time gate they are behind

[muted surge]

im trying SKS on the beta atm and

oh boy

it slaps so hard

that it takes like 30% of a wl

[velvet grail]

Uhm..is throwing solo shuffle rated supposed to not give the others rating ? ive had 2 times now where someone leaves last round, and there is "no rating" given for anyone. is that a bug or intented?

[muted surge]

no

if someone leaves

no rating change for anyone but the leaver

zzzzz

[scarlet barn]

Its saturday night

Just deal with it

[cinder thorn]

Can't you also get someone to make you the weapon with orders though, making the need for crafting Prof questionable

[thick reef]

HEY GUYS IN WPVP WHAT SEEMS TO BE PLAYING BETTER NOW FURY OR ARMS and sorry for the caps my bad

[muted surge]

yes you can

theres no reason to craft anything yourself

[thick reef]

looking at maining warrior in Df and wanted to get started now

[muted surge]

FURY BCS ARMS FUCKING SUCKS DDICK

[thick reef]

lololol thank you so much appreciate ur info @muted surge

[muted surge]

but that said

warrior in general is shit for wpvp

[thick reef]

dam still i just hate dh so much

was also thinking of frost dks so hmm

[muted surge]

dk is realy good atm

[cinder thorn]

Don't know about you but I'm loving wpvp, been killing noobs the last few days with impunity until they call friends way higher gear than me

[muted surge]

not sure about forst specifically

[muted surge]

you literraly lose against eveyr other classv in a 1v1

except hunter unless they get the drop on you

[cinder thorn]

The only one I died to was a 120k hp paladin

I got 66k in blue honor gear, killed everyone else so far

And no reputation conduits etc

[muted surge]

maybe you just play a completly differnt gamethan me

[radiant plinth]

I’m sorry if this has been asked before (I swear I looked!) but does anyone know of any good talent builds for Arms in solo shuffle?

[cinder thorn]

So I'm looking forward to having same gear to everyone at DF and showing those noobs how to wpvp 😂

[cinder thorn]

Scroll up search for MUD he posted one

[wheat jay]

I second that my dude

[radiant plinth]

Will do, thank you!

[wheat jay]

First week of shadowlands, jumping from high towers in revendreth on noobs

Kamikaze heroic leap and blasting them down

Best time of an expansion for me

[cinder thorn]

I like when it's 1vs many and I kill one then instantly regain 30% when they think they got me then kill next etc, so funny

I eventually die when they come back faster than I can kill or call friends

[wheat jay]

Ye haha