pvp

[nimble jasper]

then my healer be like

[thorn herald]

didnt realize d stance had been nerfed to 10% less damage taken and 20% less damage dealt

[nimble jasper]

“you enjoying the shadowlands experience?”

[primal flax]

I like that I have warbringer on arms now

[nimble jasper]

i mean it was there but

most of mud’s oneshot clips

were warbringer execute

with every cd rolling

[primal flax]

Yeah lol

Mud had some fun 1 shots to watch

I want to try out the MS reset spam build but it seems to do bad dmg rn

Btw the fatality thing for bonus dmg is infinite stacks found that out first day testing was funny when I was dueling a tank trying it and got a huge execute from its dmg bonus

Anyways gtg peeps night

[fickle forge]

It caps at 20 stacks btw

[thorn herald]

well

condemn works

what a time to be a live

wheres the condemn talent blizz

[sage raptor]

I brought it up a while back but people here were like "herper durrrr no 🤤". Almost like I knew what I was talking about.

My IQ is simply too high to hangout here :(

Yall will be missed

[vocal torrent]

Does someone know how Dstance works in pvp on Beta? Still this 10/20 bullshit or 20/20 ?

[lean burrow]

still bullshit

[scarlet barn]

Bye

[marble bone]

Wish the talent trees on armory was a bit more.. easy to read

lol

[muted surge]

Yay no warrior change. Maybe be stay busted

[lucid walrus]

shatter fix is cool. shows they're paying attention

[muted surge]

Btw the „with max level and gear warrior will be good“ sayers, that’s total bs

[green wyvern]

people are just huffing copium

[muted surge]

The extra talents are nice and make arms feel more complete, but doesn’t change its issues

And the enhance nerf is a fucking joke

Unless they stealth nerfed it correctly

They HAVE to play the cheese build now

And they weren’t even that far ahead in pve

[lucid walrus]

scaling's always been a meme

since wrath anyway

[wheat jay]

Well, armor scaling is out the window in prepatch

If they follow what's been happening to it in shadowlands, and they said theyre happy with it, then warr will gain a HUGE dmg spike just from that

[muted surge]

You mean because of the % str armor talent?

[wheat jay]

No i mean because people have like 50% physical dmg reduction from armor

Instead of ~30%

Like they had whole expansion

[marble bone]

so.. they get more phys dmg reduction?

Or wait, I'm tired af. They have 50% now and it will go down to 30% due to scaling?

[wheat jay]

Something like that, yes

At least it should

[lucid walrus]

armor %s were fairly close in SL

[marble bone]

But then again, our stats will also decrease due to scaling

[lucid walrus]

i seem to recall being at like 28% with full gear in s2/3

stats including hp/vers though

[marble bone]

Really not feeling warrior in pvp atm, which is a shame. Guess I'm a bit rusty after not playing much all SL and being a bit behind on gear though. But my noodle arms is a insult to noodles

[lucid walrus]

condemn is goofy as hell in shuffle

can you still not upgrade from rating breakpoints in rated shuffle @ anyone who's tested that btw?

[wheat jay]

Well, there's no point looking at dmg now

[marble bone]

tried it, have too litle crit I think. Fun when it crits like 30k, but other than that I did no dmg at all

[wheat jay]

Since covenants work in prepatch

[lucid walrus]

requires a little building into it imo

[marble bone]

Loved condemn in s1, havent played since that though, so sitting at around 290i atm

[lucid walrus]

having only 1 point in wall cdr feels cringy but it's p nice damage otherwise

[muted surge]

I mean. I don’t have pvp gear in retail and only like 285 ilvl as dps, do my dmg sucks even more ass than from other wars.
In beta with full gear it feels definitely more impactful, but the issue isn’t the dmg it self but how other classes work

So I don’t think even with the phys reduction it changes the state of us

[lucid walrus]

with AM being pretty impossible to skip i think we'll keep the niche of fast-rotating damage

[wheat jay]

Arent we forgetting a small detail tho?

[lucid walrus]

i can get CS at or beneath a 30sec cd

[wheat jay]

Constant balance changes that will fully change how classes are played when DF starts?

[muted surge]

If there are changes yes

[lucid walrus]

yea no point judging damage/reliability of builds rn

[wheat jay]

Bruh

[muted surge]

Sofar they nerfed ww

[wheat jay]

Enh got 25% nerf

[muted surge]

That’s it

[wheat jay]

To all dmg

[muted surge]

That doesn’t matter tho

[wheat jay]

Hello?

[muted surge]

Bcs it’s more about the modifiers they can stack

[wheat jay]

How does it not xD

[muted surge]

In Beta they hit 400-600k

Even with -25%

You still get onetapped

[lucid walrus]

400-600 on what?

[muted surge]

Or maybe you live with 10% if you are lucky

Lightning bolt / ele blast

The only thing that nerf did

Was forcing enhancer to play that cringe spec

Now all their other dmg sucks. Great

[lucid walrus]

a spec that also took a 25% hit to whatever setup they have for it evidently

enh has rarely been popular anyhow. not sweating it

[muted surge]

And the nerf was just lazy in the first place. We are back to. The aura nerfs.

I really hope they change it more

[lucid walrus]

they will

[lean burrow]

anyone having weird spear of bastion behavior?

i press it and i get usual targeting circle for aoe

but if I mouseover target dummy and press spear, it gets thrown instantly at dummy without targeting circle

[muted surge]

Yes

[lean burrow]

if I don't have target and I press spear, i get closest dummy targeted and spear gets thrown at cursor

[elfin surge]

guys warrior is dead

ggs

[tribal wedge]

[marble bone]

[muted surge]

warriors were too oppresive for too long

[graceful ginkgo]

i wonder why locks were buffed

they feel oppressive already

[lean burrow]

time to reroll rogue

[muted surge]

anyone else crashing in epic bgs since yesterday?

[tribal torrent]

arms warrior is a joke at this point

havent tested fury, but arms is trash

[atomic slate]

do they intend to keep def stance like this ? to deal 20% less damage

[tribal torrent]

weakest melee dps so far

[wheat jay]

[tribal torrent]

healers refusing to heal warrs in solo shuffle cuz is trash, nice meta

[hard hound]

are warrior trash on beta or just on prepatch ?

[sleek gale]

fury vs arms for df?

[graceful ginkgo]

condemn build does tons of dam in prepatch

with release we'll see, i think arms will be fine

[hard hound]

why everyone says we do no damages atm so ?

[wet scarab]

Uh, the dstance tooltip says 20% reduced dmg taken and 10% done

What are people complaining about

[hard hound]

in pvp its 20 - 20 i think @wet scarab

i stop play at S2 i'm not 100 % sure

[wet scarab]

So like pre nerf version

Because this is better than s3

[muted surge]

what

its -20 dmg dealt

-10 taken

the tooltip is swapped in pvp

[wheat jay]

cuz they're stupid basically

[copper hare]

I mean they are not wrong. Arms WITHOUT venthyr is probably the lowest melee dps atm, but I think they will buff arms for single target in DF anyways, so you shouldn't worry that much

What concerns me is that fury just looks like the better spec again, slightly more dmg, more tanky, 40% ms still..

no reck charge and no bladestorm is cringe yeah, but rage gen is still slightly better in DF, so slaughterhouse uptime will be the same or even better with lower haste

[hard hound]

fury at the start of new expension generaly are crap because of lack of stats and become stronger after no ?

[lean burrow]

onslaught will be meta

[raw summit]

They scale with aura buffs

Not gear

[copper hare]

Nah, not really. People always say the same about windwalker, but it's usually BS. the game depends way more on tuning/modifiers/tier sets/meta than any kind of raw gear scaling

[hard hound]

i just hate fury pvp i hope i not be forced to play it because is way better than arms ...

[fickle forge]

Fury is different in a way though, haste is important for 8 stack

Idk why WW would have scaling issues

[copper hare]

Haste is less important in DF. the overall rage gen is better. I had like 20% haste on beta and not a single problem keeping slaughterhouse up

[fickle forge]

On a kiting target?

[green wyvern]

Fury tickles on beta, but at least it has 40% ms

Mosquito simulator

[fickle forge]

Also imagine the sheer horror fury players must feel now that they have to add Hamstring to their rotation

😮

[green wyvern]

same for arms but no 40% ms

[copper hare]

Arms just has super cringe pvp modifiers. Idk why they dont just remove them between expansions, that's so dumb

[lean burrow]

what do you mean, you don't like slam hitting like mortal strike and execute?

[fickle forge]

Crushing Assault was good

[copper hare]

You can't compare necro fury with reck charge to DF fury ofc, but outside of cooldowns rage gen feels way better. Obviously it doesn't match the uptime during cooldowns

[fickle forge]

Uptime is pretty important when it comes to maintaining 8 stacks

Prior to tier sets and RA being the play, I found it was only ever possible to get 8 stacks during Reck or 100% uptime in S2

Probably won't be much different now

[copper hare]

again, rage gen is way higher now outside of cds

• the new tier set procs sudden death every second global

[fickle forge]

We'll have to see, but I personally don't think fury is gonna be good at all

[muted surge]

having 8 stacks ies easy

on beta

if thats the point

[copper hare]

• they also changed reckless abandon

[muted surge]

and especially due self healing

fury will prob outperform arms

[copper hare]

https://gyazo.com/3e2cb7674d67b2c8a0fb1e1f93671768

it's so good now, holy fuck.

[lean burrow]

wait, rampage passively empowers rb?

even without recklessness?

[copper hare]

yeah haha

[lean burrow]

[muted surge]

@wheat jay whats your built for solo shuffle?

[wheat jay]

im not playing wow rn

[muted surge]

in general or not "rn"

[green wyvern]

it's prepatch

you are deleting money if you are subbed rn

[muted surge]

ye but idk

maybe everyone else missing somethign

[prisma canopy]

arms or fury for arenas

[elfin surge]

fury 🤮

[muted surge]

prot

sadly.

[prisma canopy]

Been playing fury and getting owned

started season late

[muted surge]

fury is atm the better spec ithink

[prisma canopy]

ty

[copper hare]

that means you have no gear?

then you will get owned in any spec anyways :D

[prisma canopy]

I have 282 pvp level right now

[elfin surge]

Warrior sucks rn cuz of the armor values i think

[muted surge]

so 30 ilvl less

than anyone else

[prisma canopy]

yep

[undone pumice]

literally unplayable

[prisma canopy]

should I try prot?

[elfin surge]

no

[muted surge]

prot players should get banned

[prisma canopy]

lol

[elfin surge]

learn to play both fury and arms

[prisma canopy]

okay, I was going to try arms and see if there was a big difference

[elfin surge]

I think fury is better atm but you should learn to play both specs if you plan to play warrior at 70

Usually arms is the better spec tho

[prisma canopy]

okay, appreciate it

What's the best site to use for information, wowhead or icyveins?

[wet scarab]

I dont think any site has updated pvp guides for prepatch

you can take a look at checkpvp and then click on the armory link of the top ranked warriors to see their talents

it's a bit messy but useful at a glance

[prisma canopy]

great, thanks

[elfin surge]

what are you looking for?

[prisma canopy]

updated pvp information

best talents for each style

[marble bone]

there are some builds posted in this channel (gotta scroll though, as most of them are just screenshots so hard to use the searchbar to find), and then there is wow armory

kinda confusing to look at (dno why they dont just post the actual talent tree there)

but you can search up the different talent nodes etc and play around with it

[elfin surge]

prob is no warrior knows the best build because every build is shit. Warrior is just rly bad in pepatch

[marble bone]

just condemn them harder

and hope you dont die

[elfin surge]

I had the most success in prepatch 2s as fury unholy with petkick which is pretty silly

[marble bone]

but ye, its "urh" at best atm. Better to spend prepatch lvling alts and/or farming gold to get ready for DF imo

[prisma canopy]

playing fury and kyrian cov....should I be playing venthyr instead?

[elfin surge]

I'm just playing the kyrian arms build which I think is pretty similar to how arms will be played at 70.

[elfin surge]

ye im leveling my dk

[prisma canopy]

lol, I'm leveling alts as well

[wet scarab]

you can mess around with builds in solo queue, just turn chat off lmao

[prisma canopy]

lol, no doubt

[marble bone]

had a rogue stop playing in solo shuffle because people didnt let him sap opener xD

solo shuffle is like LoL

[iron basalt]

Hey guys. I know I’m a little late but I haven’t set up my warrior yet since prepatch. I plan on doing that today. We don’t seem to be doing a whole lot of dam. What’s the go to for prepatch arena? Venthyr arms? CSHB fury?

[marble bone]

bunch of toxic people hardstuck thinking they are better than what they are

[prisma canopy]

CSHB Fury?

[iron basalt]

Cold steel hot blood

I remember that was good in BFA

[wet scarab]

rogues and mages can't function if they dont have full control it's sad

[prisma canopy]

ty

[iron basalt]

I set up my MW and played some games and looked at warrior damn

[marble bone]

should be bannable/punisable to just stand in stealth for 3 matches sulking though 🤷‍♂️ like, give htem leaver penalty for doing nothing

[wet scarab]

I felt like I did a lot more damage as venthyr arms, was the only time I was competing with the likes of demon hunters and such in longer games, but they are all suboptimal builds

but it's fun to familiarize yourself with different builds and playstyles

[iron basalt]

I’ll give it a try. I had the most fun this xpac as venthyr arms, when it was good. Thank you.

THE COUNT RETURNS

[muted surge]

ye bcs condemn is busted

[marble bone]

ye having a ton of fun as venthyr atm

[muted surge]

and ignores armor i think

bcs magic dmg, if its like in s1

but maybe im wrong

[iron basalt]

Do you play spear with venthyr arms?

[muted surge]

avatar

[iron basalt]

Ok cool

[muted surge]

but you can play whatever

[iron basalt]

Right

[elfin surge]

Am i wrong for thinking the only good healer is rsham rn?

[muted surge]

yes

[wet scarab]

I don't know MW is just as annoying

[iron basalt]

Idk, I played MW and healed for the first time in S4 and got 2100, which I’m proud of. Now MW has a kick, song, insta vivify, another teleport, etc. I’m loving it.

[elfin surge]

I qd some 2s and didnt see a single warrior 🤣

[iron basalt]

I played with my buddy who also mains warrior on my MW. We fought two other warrior (both with healers as well). It went into like 85% damp. So boring.

[wet scarab]

I keep running into fury in solo shuffle but it's just boring and takes ages in 2s

games don't end lol

[iron basalt]

Yeah

Having stormbolt, double time, and impending seems nuts though. I always thought that row on the talent tree was tough to choose from

I learned double time + warbringer from you MUD

[copper hare]

it feels good but it's necessary right now when you see what other specs get in their general tree tbh

[iron basalt]

@copper hare that sucks ><

[elfin surge]

Dragonflight arms has the potential to be the most fun version of arms i've played.

[elfin surge]

rip necro ban

[wet scarab]

winbringer

[iron basalt]

Conq banner will be missed

[wet scarab]

s2 necro unhinged one shots RIP 2021-2021

[iron basalt]

I made a weak aura that makes a thunderstorm sound when I press conq banner.

And it says “GLORY!” in Necro-green letters

It was cringe but felt awesome

[wet scarab]

had a BRON CENA weakaura

didn't feel as impactful but still

[deep latch]

whats better currently, arms or fury ?

for BG's

[iron basalt]

It seems like venthyr arms or a cold steel hot blood fury build are popular

[deep latch]

aight

[marble bone]

nothing beats my /train /cast bladestorm macro

[wheat jay]

rn

no point playing now

[wet scarab]

play rated solo shuffle, turn off chat, and vibe

[marble bone]

get into vibe
gets into a tank arena
vibe dead

[wet scarab]

lol you know people say this I played 6 rounds last night all of them had a healer

[marble bone]

yeah, and those with a healer is amazing and fun enough. But then you get a match with tanks and get trained down 6 times in a row

[wet scarab]

yeah that would blow for sure

though I kept getting trained by the UH ret combo I played against last night and that was frustrating

[marble bone]

I know I'm not a good player, but seeing tanks in the match I just know its a loss for me, cant sustain enough as arms 🤷‍♂️ wish it was possible to just opt out of tank games

[wet scarab]

lol someone posted a stupid fix that works the other day on reddit

you have to be in a rested area and accept the invite right away, and log out before everyone accepts if it shows tank

if you log back in after like 15 seconds you're still in queue

big asshole move but so is playing tank

[marble bone]

they could just disable the option to queue as tank aswell 😛

Wasnt it disable for skirmishes etc before?

[muted surge]

i queued as tank and dps

and got into a game with tanks :(

[marble bone]

karma right there!

[muted surge]

(as dps)

[copper hare]

I honestly completely understand when people queue tanks right now, you get insta queues all the time

everytime I queue as dps, you have 15 min queue and then someones leaves anyway

[marble bone]

might just farm up a shield and board and be an annoying prick my self then

[copper hare]

hopefully tomorrow will be better

[muted surge]

why should it?

[copper hare]

because people will lose rating tomorrow when they leave and get higher punishment if they leave multiple times

[marble bone]

if they dont accept queues aswell?

[sage raptor]

I play solo queue as tank because it's fun

[marble bone]

you should change your name to poo, because thats what you are

[sage raptor]

And the tank hate is funny

[copper hare]

Lol it kinda is. When I see r1 players that are famous for RMT boosting complain about how tanks ruin the game

haha

[sage raptor]

I'll do you one better and name it to poop

[copper hare]

the irony

[wet scarab]

it's always been a struggle for me because all the prot paladin players I know irl are fun and decent individuals

[muted surge]

but ngl worse than tanks is

that i queue into galds

every game on 200 rating

[marble bone]

When people are a 10, but play tanks in pvp 😐

[wet scarab]

yeah it's tough

lots of conflicting emotions

[sage raptor]

I used to dislike tanks in pvp but then I simply moved on

Blizz won't stop em

[marble bone]

you didnt move on, you became one of them

[wet scarab]

I can't move on when someone is wrong on the internet

[sage raptor]

That's part of moving on

[marble bone]

I woudlnt mind tanks, if I was playing something else I think. Just sucks to die in a stunlock because I'm a warrior

[wet scarab]

I don't mind playing against tanks if I can keep having my healer

I dislike the lack of choice of being forced into that sort of stupid gameplay

[muted surge]

ye we are main target

and cant kite

its very fun

[sage raptor]

All specs should've kept die by the sword and IP

[wet scarab]

if people want to play tank I don't care as long as I don't have to as well

or at least let us only queue for healer games

[muted surge]

they just need to unnerf def stance

and we fine

probably

[sage raptor]

I don't want to be fine, I want to be stronger than fine.

[wet scarab]

r1 prot warr

[muted surge]

idk the issue is more

that

enhance for example, heals full hp

with an insta cast

hybrids are just too strong atm

[copper hare]

I think tanks should be allowed in pvp BUT they need to let players know if their queue pop has tanks involved and players should be allowed to decide if they want to queue into tanks or not

[sage raptor]

Ret gets loh

[muted surge]

considering they are as tanky as non hybrids

[wet scarab]

we aren't THAT squishy, you have healing parry, bitter immunity, rallying cry and IV

[muted surge]

well for that you need to parry tho

which you cant

aginst 80%

[wet scarab]

I don't know im mostly dying to melee cleaves tbh

in solo shuffle anyway

[muted surge]

yes and they do magic dmg kek

except ww

but hey hit you in the back anyway

[wet scarab]

sure but it's not like we're sitting there helplessly without buttons to press

[sage raptor]

Dk with 2 minute ibf is

[wet scarab]

we do need more babysitting obviously

[muted surge]

"more"

its great that we have impending now

but 30% every 25 secs is kidna meh

and we have parry

which doesnt work against most

fury looks better

[sage raptor]

I wish I knew my healer was alliance before I entered the solo queue

[muted surge]

can tehy still not heal other faction?

[sage raptor]

They can

They're just bad

Never had a good experience with one

[rotund badge]

Does anyone have a cold steel hot blood build they can link?

[sage raptor]

Dwarf pally in front of me: LoS

Me: CC chained to death

Dwarf pally: you gotta pay attention to where I am

[muted surge]

alliance > horde scum

[sage raptor]

Get horde skill. Then we can talk

[wet scarab]

get proper buildings

and out of the stone age

[oblique mountain]

Are there talent guides out yet for pvp? i cant really do the theorycrafting/math to determine value of each talent

[sage raptor]

You will live in the stone huts and like it

[thorn herald]

yeah venthyr arms is doing damage

getting 20k crit condemns, feels weird using juggernaut because of how swingy hp bars are

another arms warrior in my solo shuffle, what is this

[muted surge]

seems like a focus target

[marble bone]

Warriors are free elo, just got to hope your team burst faster than theirs 😬

[copper hare]

can someone on NA test if normal solo shuffle rewards are fixed?

[sharp meteor]

You can upgrade gear now.

[thorn herald]

he was he was undergeared 🙂

thankfully i got him 4 times on my team

[muted surge]

nice

brothers in arms

[thorn herald]

yeah

it was great he died instead of me every game

while a demon hunter ran around like the rooster i culled with his head cut off doing whatever he wanted

[old pike]

can you get duelist appearences? :^)

[sharp meteor]

Dunno.

[old pike]

i wanna know but eu so i can't try yet

[sharp meteor]

I only played like 2 rounds of shuffle without leavers and don't wanna queue actual ranked when the game is all busted.

[thorn herald]

yeah i heard u can upgrade to duelist for elite apperance

something id like to do for the dk off pieces to make a transmog

[old pike]

oh god im honor farming then

i want the dk set

[cosmic yarrow]

I’ve played ele for years and I’m bored of casters, I so badly want to main warrior this expac. But holy shit I’m terrified of trusting blizzard to fix war. Fees so over nerfed.

[thorn herald]

good luck friendo

[old pike]

sitting on cap

[thorn herald]

play dk

unironically

[cosmic yarrow]

Only melee I like is war(maaaybe ww)

[thorn herald]

have u tried frost dk

[cosmic yarrow]

I have. My brain atrophied.

[wet scarab]

Both dk specs are fun now

[muted surge]

guess the #1

[old pike]

dk set is 💀

[thorn herald]

aff lock

[muted surge]

pog

that afflock had like 260 ilvl and out dpse and healed us all :(

[thorn herald]

yeah my buddys aff lock has a lower ilvl than me but 30k more hp because he does pet sac

and he was 1v2ing basically all night in rated 2s

because i would get zerged down

this is when i found out D stance had been nerfed to 10/20

last time i played it was 20/20

i have taken d stance off my bars now

[crimson holly]

Lock is stupid af

[wet scarab]

Is it hard to play? I’ve always had a geared pve lock alt but only learned demo and destro

[muted surge]

no

[thorn herald]

you put dots up and run around like a headless chicken

[muted surge]

place some dots

hope the heal dispells

and spam drain life

whoop whoop

[crimson holly]

Had a lock with 600k from corruption. Seems legit

[thorn herald]

and use gateway to teleport out of spear

[rotund badge]

what races do we think will be good for warrior in DF? Gnome unironically?

[copper hare]

manbearpig

[muted surge]

yay a guaranteed dloss

nvm i just log out i guess and hope that actually works

[cosmic yarrow]

@rotund badge has to be gnome

[thorn herald]

its female human or get out

[crimson holly]

So sad to tag with tanks as war

[muted surge]

this. i switched to human today and my dmg increased

[thorn herald]

idk i like tank games

[muted surge]

(but maybe thats bcs i use condemn now)

[thorn herald]

their over in 2 seconds

if ur female human its because ur female human

only reason

master race

[muted surge]

the logout thing actually works

[thorn herald]

yeah

[muted surge]

got it keybinded now, i will dodge all the tank queues!

[thorn herald]

until we all start doing it

then it will get hotfixed because its a bug

[muted surge]

idk its not a bug tho

ha easy

3 logouts

and then i got a healer gmae

with a fury warrior in blue gear, yes. thats what i like

[thorn herald]

Is he smf

Smf is how fury should've stayed

[tacit bear]

so if you go th annihilator build, do you go single minder fury and use 1h weapons? or what's the best fury build right now

[muted surge]

nah its tf

[marble bone]

You dont lose rating from that? Op

[muted surge]

no bcs you dont play

[marble bone]

Or dot dwarfs and hope they use racial (done thst too many times 😩)

[thorn herald]

I tried that and it's fun but smf annihilator is too sustained for the burst of today

[muted surge]

i accidently clicked my logout macro bcs im a moron

and you dont get desertere

[copper hare]

just bind logout on execute

[muted surge]

man im so mad, i won hard :(

[thorn herald]

how many times did u kill the fury warrior

[muted surge]

0

i cant kill fury kek

[marble bone]

Just condemn him

[muted surge]

im so lost on who to target tho

heals have insane mobilities, everyon has immunities

so much self heal

[thorn herald]

i just tunnel whatever my partner is tunneling

unless theres someone with an outlier of low health

[muted surge]

so monk heal

yay

condemn is actually stupid

but with it arms feels alright

[marble bone]

I go by the «slap what ever is in range» tactic

Double charge and condemn charge makes anything within range though

[thorn herald]

its ok guys

100 yd ww

[tacit bear]

should be pretty easy to get rogues out of stealth lol

[marble bone]

Wait what

We’re ranged now

[thorn herald]

tool tip is bugged

[muted surge]

small indie company

[thorn herald]

i think if slam/whirlwind dont have pvp modifiers on them

that fervor of battle with barbaric training and the slam talent hit harder than MS

[modern grail]

can someone point me to a decent pvp build? scrolling but can't find one

[thorn herald]

if u find one let us know

[copper hare]

but grappling hook is 130 yards

[modern grail]

arms or fury, either one

[steep inlet]

spammed soloQ with condemn build

love it

[thorn herald]

yeah condemn is the one high point

[muted surge]

kinda sad

fuck condemn

what do you guys think of ring of fire?

[thorn herald]

the mage talent?

i still dont know whati t does

[nocturne osprey]

no, he's talking about johny cash song

[muted surge]

if you step in it

you get a debuff

that is % based on your hp

full dura was like 60% of your hp, atleast on beta when i tested it

[thorn herald]

i see people put it down and nobody steps in it

so i assume its not very good

[muted surge]

eh if people step in it

it is :D

[marble bone]

Unhinged bladestorm and spear is kinda fun into double melees

[steep inlet]

I hate this gameplay sadly

Hate spear and unhinged

[thorn herald]

i dont mind spear, i wish we had a glyph to make it less shadowlands

also i cant believe conquerers banner didnt make it into the generic warrior talent tree

[muted surge]

Banner sucks

Oh wait nvm

[thorn herald]

one of the most thematic warrior things out there

[muted surge]

Wrong banner

[thorn herald]

and instead we get dragon yell ears bleed

[old pike]

guess they didn't want all the abilities in or something

that was most warrior tho rip and was good

[thorn herald]

yeah

wonder who decided what cov abilities make it

and why shockwave is apparently an iconic enough ability to be a universal warrior move

[muted surge]

i would have liked to see the crit banner

[thorn herald]

thats just impale tho

conq banner would be awesome, coudlve had a capstone talent that made execute do magic damage too for the duration of banner 🙂

[muted surge]

a banner we can intervene too would have been amazing

[thorn herald]

and then glyphs that make them less shadowlands

[muted surge]

you just want condemn

[thorn herald]

i dont think i want it

i think we need it after seeing armor scaling

if this is gonna be the last few seasons of dragonflight

:thinking"

lel

leaving it

[marble bone]

Wtb condemn glyph

Just make my execute look like it, and I’ll be happy

[thorn herald]

it does look like it

i think if you take massacre

[muted surge]

and theres no reason to not take massacre

[marble bone]

Ooo good

Would really love to have condemn as a talent though, its fun having two execute phases, and be useful the first part of boss fights aswell 🥲

[muted surge]

jsut spamming one button for half the fight is so boring

but to each their onw

[raw summit]

They add condemn in and then killed it off

For the better imo

Just a very weird tree for pvp

[elfin surge]

Condemn was incredibly toxic season 1 of shadowlands

im happy it died

[muted surge]

wdym

perma charge

range had fun

[elfin surge]

yeah i loved being trained all game by an idiot condemn warrior riding d stance

[merry valley]

But if you close your eyes...

[elfin surge]

my necro ban

[merry valley]

Just the move speed and anti slow on avatar would be fine :c

[pale minnow]

aids?

[muted surge]

Dead game

[pale minnow]

bg

somehow a feral managed to outdmg me

[nimble jasper]

damn

[foggy bloom]

Can someone explain to me how to counter the Vampire Survivors guardian druid as prot warrior

[nimble jasper]

dh levels of complexity rotation

[sleek gale]

Your guyses honest warrior review for df?

[nimble jasper]

wait for tuning

[sleek gale]

I mean, does the class look good in terms of talents and abilities? Tuning will always come

[sharp meteor]

I mean so much is going to change. We have a ton more armor now than we did last season, and plenty more than we'll have in DF.

[old pike]

how broke is that condemn in pvp lol

[muted surge]

dont play prot. easy

[sharp meteor]

magic dam good again when people have armor yep

armor was like tissues in recent seasons so condemn fell off bigly

[foggy bloom]

But I want to pop all cds, shield charge, clap, taunt, shield block, bolt, spear, resonator, aftershock, ravager, shield slam combo for 200k damage 🥺

[sharp meteor]

yeah shield charged some hunter for like 55k

hard to recover from that in a match with no healers

[old pike]

maybe will try if i have issues on fury

[foggy bloom]

Blizzard reset my fury warrior rating and i have been waiting 4 days for a response

[thorn herald]

Was in beta for a bit getting 60k ms crits without all the modifiers

Maybe we get some buffs we are apparently pretty bad single target in PvE

[sage raptor]

Aim for 300k king

I believe in you

[foggy bloom]

From my group of friends I'm the only one that hasn't reached 2100

But thankfully monk dh and shaman don't have good transmogs so it's fine

Is there anything op that warrior has that i'm missing?

[wet scarab]

shaman has a great mog what are you talking about

[muted surge]

but nothing is as good as teh warr one <3

[red dagger]

what secondary stats are you guys stacking for arms?

haste until 20 then prio crit or mastery?

[thorn herald]

Crit

[nimble jasper]

no sl mog is good

besides sinful elite maybe

[sharp meteor]

mythic nathria better

[thorn herald]

Saw sinful elite shoulders gloves boots, cosmic elite dk helm chest pants

Looked good

Sad I probably won't get it since all my partners quit

[sage raptor]

SL had some fire mogs. Yall lay off the crack.

[nimble jasper]

no its pretty trash

outside of sinful elite plate

[sage raptor]

Nathria leather 🤌

[nimble jasper]

and maybe mythic nathria leather

[sage raptor]

All leathers and plates

Except SoD sets. Those were bad.

[raw summit]

Sod mythic plate is ok

[thorn herald]

Sanctum better than geometry tier

[nimble jasper]

wouldnt use mythic nath leather

cruel elite just a better set

for the same colors

[sharp meteor]

i like the covenant stuff

[sage raptor]

It's not about the colors

Kyrian plate is good imo

[nimble jasper]

winterborne plate

too bad im lazy

[thorn herald]

Lol the kyrian plate was the worst one

[sage raptor]

Naw

[thorn herald]

All the kyrian stuff is bad

[sharp meteor]

kyrian plate chest kind of low res

[sharp meteor]

is that the rep one

[sage raptor]

The purple one had some good pieces

[sharp meteor]

just do the quick dailiy things

[sage raptor]

Necro plate is cool

[sharp meteor]

o actually na necro plate might be the best

[sage raptor]

Those pieces go with a lot of things

[thorn herald]

The necro chest is great

[nimble jasper]

yes

the white nf plate

[thorn herald]

As a set I like the night fae chest

Plate

[sharp meteor]

i need the abom factory brown one to go with eternal drake

[nimble jasper]

i have that color of necro

[sharp meteor]

but necrolord plate is great

[sage raptor]

Can we get the rest of the mogs after prepatch?

[sharp meteor]

ya covenant stuff not going away

[thorn herald]

I need the abom brown set too. What do you have to do for the abom crap

[sage raptor]

Thank you 🙏

[sharp meteor]

A lot of cringe shit.

[sage raptor]

Really?

[nimble jasper]

yeah

[nimble jasper]

abom factory is worst of the 4 cov special features

[thorn herald]

No more shadow lands grinds

[sharp meteor]

Basically abomination factory is collecting parts to make aboms. Each abom = 1 weekly. Each weekly has a chance at an appearance.

Basically moderate to hefty setup.

[sage raptor]

I think the necro plate set fits undead wayyyy too good

Naturally it should

[sharp meteor]

I crafted the aboms though and now it's just waiting for the quests to pop up

[thorn herald]

Are the weeklys annoying to do

[nimble jasper]

undead?

checks the year

[sharp meteor]

Nah they chill it's just the setup

[nimble jasper]

it is indeed 2022

[sharp meteor]

you also need a lot of anima and souls from the maw to make the building

[thorn herald]

And can I do them at level 1 abom factory

Or is it lvl 4

I really only want the chest and pants rn

[nimble jasper]

people i know say abom factory

[sharp meteor]

bigger factory = more contructs

[nimble jasper]

takes weeks

to do

[sharp meteor]

psure you need it to be mostly built idk

[nimble jasper]

its considered about

half the veilstrider grind

[thorn herald]

I have a lot of anima and souls cause I never use it

[sage raptor]

I have no idea how it works. It just gives me quests and I do them.

[nimble jasper]

too lazy to do any of them

the nf shit gives fun guy title

[thorn herald]

The only sad thing about my mog is condemn is red and I'm brown yellow

Very poor color matching skills

[nimble jasper]

this was me on rogue

when playing venthyr

mog felt wrong when using a non red/black one

and hands glowing red

💀

[thorn herald]

I don't wanna default to demonic elite lol

[nimble jasper]

i default dreadnaught

cuz im original

[sharp meteor]

Basically you collect malleable flesh from any mobs in Shadowlands, build a few contrstucts, do their weeklies, use their special parts to make more constructs and just keep doing that. Their quests SOMETIMES give an abom factory appearance (brown plate).

[nimble jasper]

[thorn herald]

Dreadnought is cool

Demonic elite prolly my fav warrior set now tho

[sharp meteor]

Most annoying bit is probably the anima and souls from the maw for the factory itself.

[nimble jasper]

good set

i prefer cruel elite

but didnt get it

💀

[thorn herald]

I chose not to get it and regret it

[sage raptor]

There's a whole discord dedicated to that lol

[thorn herald]

I got my arms mage tower set tho

Did it first week as arms kek

[scarlet barn]

I finished it day before Prepatch hit

[sharp meteor]

Yep.

[scarlet barn]

[nimble jasper]

that set is a budget elite

[thorn herald]

I like the scarlet crusade

[nimble jasper]

i saw one warrior with it

and wrathful glad tab

looked kinda banger ngl

[thorn herald]

Money

Sleeper elite set is malevolent

[nimble jasper]

oh dear

taste for blood oneshot ssn

💀

[thorn herald]

I only ever got one

F in chat for that female undead spriest

Think I crit her for 500k

[sharp meteor]

Nice. This is basically what I was planning on eventually using.

Although it looks dopey on my favorite character.

[thorn herald]

Tauren player

[lucid walrus]

prideful elite fucked hard

i wanna say ruthless too but it’s really just the helm

[sharp meteor]

Worse. 🦊

[thorn herald]

I have 2 pieces of prideful elite

Didn't finish all my conquest

Now I'm fucked out of the set

[raw summit]

What pieces

[thorn herald]

Thanks blizz

Chest helm pants

[sharp meteor]

Maybe one day. 🙏 I know people with cata glad and GMs tell them to fuck off if they ask for the elite set.

[raw summit]

No shoulders is a big rip

[thorn herald]

I have shoulders

What I listed is what I'm missing

[raw summit]

Oh

Yea that's unfortunate

[thorn herald]

My idiot hunter friend fucked me out of the first season of bfa elite too

Cause I was too lazy to find other partners

And I hated bfa

🤡

[lucid walrus]

no helm also sucks

missing the top half of bfa s1 elite since i started then

[steep inlet]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTbdB9gXsAAI9UK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

my fav

i always wear it

all days since bfa

a guy even made an artwork from my char

acrassan an artist

[hard hound]

Like it, bfa horde wase trash I like a lot this one

[jovial meteor]

Holy shit nice!

How much did he charge? (Pun not intended)

[hard hound]

The only problem is everyone can have it

[sharp meteor]

dang, that's sick

[lucid walrus]

the asymmetrical shoulders in that piece are insane

been gifted some neat art over the yrs

[steep inlet]

nothing

he just like my ow/wow streams

he even printed it, i have it in my desk

[rare ibex]

Does Gavel do anything in arenas?

[fickle forge]

What's his name?

[steep inlet]

https://twitter.com/Acrassan1/status/1585909390233993216

Acrassan (@Acrassan1)

Je tente ma chance juste comme ça mais si jamais vous avez des projets qui nécessitent un illustrateur je suis disponible.
Voici quelques uns de mes travaux pour vous faire une idée :

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[foggy bloom]

11 dh and ww in a row 🙂

[nimble jasper]

just win?

[foggy bloom]

can't they still kill through intervene and disarm

[nimble jasper]

condemn them to death harder

before you die

💀

[foggy bloom]

wish that were possible

[elfin surge]

[foggy bloom]

I just realized it says Games won twice

What builds you guys use for solo shuffle?

I have only seen mud's twitter talent builds and nothing else

[clever fern]

Can someone share a good build ?

[elfin surge]

[thorn herald]

Lemme see ur Twitter talents orc power ranger

[elfin surge]

@thorn herald

[thorn herald]

Avatar over spear?

[foggy bloom]

mud uses kyrian cov

[elfin surge]

I'm kyrian

[thorn herald]

Oh

Sorry I forget about covenants being a thing

[elfin surge]

YUP

[thorn herald]

Sorry I'm a boomer

[elfin surge]

SHITS BUGGIN BRO

[thorn herald]

How's your damage

[foggy bloom]

but banner is so good tho, giving teammate mastery

[thorn herald]

I'm doing venthyr and I'm actually killing people

[elfin surge]

Trash

[foggy bloom]

and the talent under avatar DEACTIVATES signet

[elfin surge]

Venthyr build prob better atm

[thorn herald]

I used to hate condemn and now I'm going to mourn it

Someone make a wolverine crying meme with condemn

[foggy bloom]

I still have no idea how the skullsplitter build works

[muted surge]

Venthyr does dmg

So ye it’s better

[thorn herald]

You put three bleeds up and hit skullsplitter

It's not as fun as assassination with exsanguinate was

[muted surge]

Still can’t kill dhs tho :)

[foggy bloom]

I feel like blizzard put a -60% damage debuff on warriors inside arena

[muted surge]

3 bleeds?

There are only 2 working with skull

[foggy bloom]

just rend and deep wounds

[thorn herald]

Yeah but yo talent dragon yell ears bleed for more bleed damage

3 bleed bill man

[sleek gale]

Arms or fury going into df?

What do you think is mor versatile or fun?

[thorn herald]

I think arms is more fun but fury is better

From what I've seen on beta

[sleek gale]

Ah i see, im still new to the class. Fury has really low amount of spells

[elfin surge]

Fury is the BM hunter of melee

[muted surge]

Fury is mash your buttons :/

[thorn herald]

Fury is fun too tho

[sleek gale]

Yeah gotcha

[thorn herald]

Full of shit if someone tells you it isn't

[sleek gale]

Yeah seems fun

[thorn herald]

But yeah it's very mindless

[muted surge]

I would say that arms is way more fun tho

But maybe I’m not that into fury

[nimble jasper]

exsang never was a thing

[thorn herald]

I only said it was fun to press lol

Skull splitter isn't

[fallen bridge]

Any good prot builds for shuffle out there to annoy with

[muted surge]

No. Go away :<

[thorn herald]

Just take dragon charge

[elfin surge]

do not play prot

[thorn herald]

So you can shuffle everyone mid game

Cause that button makes me wanna play prot everytime

[sharp meteor]

Dragon charge is fun. It knocks everybody and can be cancelled with a cancelaura.

Relatively short CD, too.

[rare ibex]

Abom factory plate is by far the best looking set for female undead warriors. Shoulders are interchangeable but the pants, chest, belt and gloves are top tier.

[nimble jasper]

yeah but then you’re playing female undead

💀 💀 💀

[muted surge]

Female undead > orc scum

[marble bone]

female dwarf > everything

[thorn herald]

no

fem dead arecool

i dont like that the bones cut off parts of plate still

has anyone tried menacing throw :^) magic words ignores armor

[pale sluice]

Any1 here tried the solo shuffle? i have gained 1800+ rating, but am still unable to upgrade any of my pvp gear - and my vault says ive earned honor in "unranked". I thought solo shuffle counted just like regular arenas?

[sharp meteor]

I'm able to upgrade stuff just fine.

[pale sluice]

maybe its just bugged for me this reset

[wet scarab]

Are you in EU? Should be fixed after reset tomorrow

Was fixed today in NA

[sharp meteor]

Shuffle upgrade credit bugged until the weekly reset occurred, ye.

[pale sluice]

ahhh yea im EU, thanks guys

[sage raptor]

People haven't succumbed to sucking orc dick yet like most

[nimble jasper]

no undead means you’re stuck in tbc

💀

[sage raptor]

Facts

Undead means we have style

And finesse

[bright chasm]

fury is only melee I can do with controller in pvp, even dh has too much buttons now

[nimble jasper]

playing with a controller

wasnt there a guy playing feral with one

[full quiver]

Lol

[bright chasm]

ccontroller is awful at target switching, roots offheals cyclone all are too slow to execute. Warrion can choochoo with decent result

[nimble jasper]

idk that guy played feral and ret

with a controller

[sage raptor]

There's an addon that makes playing with a controller very viable. I forgot (💀) what it's called but you can map the modifiers to the bumpers or whatever.

I play with it when I'm leveling or running legacy and I wanna chill.

[full quiver]

I feel like you can still play dh with a controller

It's only a couple more buttons than last season

[frank knoll]

@elfin surge hey

[thorn herald]

wow a reroller

we've been abandoned

[full quiver]

Lol

He's supposed to be on dk wtf

[frank knoll]

i didnt even get to do the team fight i sat LH the whole time

[elfin surge]

???????

that not me

[wheat jay]

Lies

Heresy

BLASPHEMY

[elfin surge]

thats beefang

[wheat jay]

You disgust me

[sage raptor]

That's not how you spell MUD

[wheat jay]

And to think we wanted you to be stormforged

[elfin surge]

we need

[wheat jay]

Ye we need

But not a monk reroller

[thorn herald]

just got RSKd for 15k

:^)

blizz wheres my mortal strike damage

why am i mortal striking plate at 70 for 6k

[wheat jay]

Cuz broken armor scaling on pre-patch

[thorn herald]

u do realize that i mortal strike the monk for less damage than he rsk's me

and its not armor when im in plate and hes in leather

[wheat jay]

Everyone has crazy armor on pre-patch iirc and your dmg is full physical

@elfin surge how much armor do you have on your monk?

[elfin surge]

I dont name my other characters mud

obvi not me

IDIOT 😠

[wheat jay]

Ye ye ye

How much armor tho

[gentle horizon]

good condemn fury pvp talent build?

same for conduits

[severe skiff]

is it intentional that sweeping strikes no longer spreads rend?

[sharp meteor]

Does it not? How odd.

[severe skiff]

it cleaves the initial damage but it isn't applying the bleed

[thorn herald]

yeah its dumb

for 2 more talents u can make tclap spread it so not too much of a problem since tclap is only 10 more rage than rend.

just swap talents around for melee cleaves

[severe skiff]

Was just more curious if it was a bug or they intentionally made it not spread rend when they added rend to clap

[merry valley]

Bliz should lock people from leaving solo shuffle. If you got in, you cant leave till it ends

20m back to back queues for people to leave on 1st defeat

ffs

[severe skiff]

pretty sure they haven't even fixed the /camp = no deserter yet so everyone is leaving , esp healers

but yeah holy shit at least lock people out of the season if they leave multiple times

[gentle horizon]

is this all valid?

for fur war pvp

[severe skiff]

Assume you would want sinful on one of the weapons, thought double proc enchants don't stack this expansion

fortified speed on cloak

[elfin surge]

60 on my dk

goodbye warrior

[copper hare]

delusional

[sharp meteor]

armor nerfed bigly on beta so maybe it's fine

i am setting up other classes tho on the off chance df warr is in shambles

[thorn herald]

still cant do 2h frost. a shame

[elfin surge]

why not

1h is for baby rogues

me want manly 2h

[thorn herald]

u cant get might of the frozen wastes and obliteration

til 61

and its a pretty big hit to your pillar not having obliteration

[elfin surge]

i do what i want

i will break the meta

[thorn herald]

and w/o might of the frozen waste you are actively doing less dmg than dw

i think 2h will be the way to play at 70

but its like tryna play 2h frost on c lassic rn 😦

[full quiver]

Wanna play Stalin cleave

[thorn herald]

oh boy guys

executioners precision buffed by 5%!!!!

[elfin surge]

buff warrior by 200%

and let the real men fight it out in the arena

[thorn herald]

give legion executioner precision

75% per stack

[sage raptor]

You can, you just gotta drop something else

[thorn herald]

u cant

lol

[brave osprey]

I love prepatch

[thorn herald]

that says 153k

haha

shouldve played around it

[brave osprey]

Yep 1 shoted

[sage raptor]

There are builds floating around with it that are good. Wdym?

[thorn herald]

at level 60 you cant get mofw and obliteration

there arent enough talent points

[sage raptor]

Okay

[thorn herald]

its a sad truth and why i havent touched my dimma damn dk all of prepatch

[old pike]

yay i can upgrade

[copper hare]

man that could have been a juicy reflect lol

[rare ibex]

@lucid walrus are you still running that build from yesterday? I assume you're going venthyr for it with execute conduits? Curious to try something like that-- have been running kyrian with bladestorm points.

[old pike]

whats counting as a win for the game is confusing

[sharp meteor]

I think it's 3-3 or better.

[old pike]

i win 3 round its win but then i win 5 and no saddle progress lol

4* not 5

[sharp meteor]

I think my shitter alt is in elo hell.

6-0 and 5-1 = 0 cr

[sage raptor]

Elo?

[rare ibex]

I'm guessing the maldraxxus arena is still bugged and doesn't count toward saddle still?

[lucid walrus]

correct, harrowing on venthyr

been running nadjia bc i’m too lazy to speculate on anything else

[rare ibex]

Yeah .. left side of Nadja?

[lucid walrus]

sounds right

[rare ibex]

Thanks, seems to line up

I did take one point out of your +Slam DPS and add it to the bottom skill for Recklessness after avatar, etc.

[lucid walrus]

right on. best of luck with it, i have yet to see the 80k peak my buddy claims to have seen but it’s been promising so far

ah yeah that’s probably smart. i think i miscalculated somewhere regarding how many points are needed to advance down the tree

[rare ibex]

Are you running Ashen? Tooltip is bugged, otherwise I'm hoping it's not a 0% gain lol

[lucid walrus]

the ashen tooltip scared me too badly to try it

lemme know if you decide to run it, curious if the display is bugged or if it’s actually a bricked conduit

[rare ibex]

I'll run it.. but not sure how to tell if it's bricket.

bricked*

[lucid walrus]

yeah there’s no good way to measure it

what i do know is there’s almost a 2/5 chance for each one to crit without ashen in my gear and there’s a shitload of stuff buffing crit damage in that build

[rare ibex]

Fair enough, I suppose it's 8% on overpower

Maybe it just doesn't stack with Juggernaut

Well, the warrior class writer says it conflicts, so I'm inclined to change it 🙂
#arms message

[lucid walrus]

god bless archi

8% on OP feels pretty bad but i'm not just gonna ignore it. feels like i haven't seen a mortal combo proc in a while though

[thorn herald]

mortal combo still works

makes it feel like a real ability

[lucid walrus]

thought so. didn't dodge the nerf bat but i didn't expect any different

[thorn herald]

then exhilariating blows procs and suddenly its

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[lucid walrus]

a battlelord/exhilarating/frothing build seems like it'd be super fun with lower armor but MC will be gonezo by the time that can happen

[thorn herald]

weep

replace battlelord with MC

proccing it off overpower is so awkward

[lucid walrus]

agree

[rare ibex]

Argh.. another tank shuffle... fucking kill me.

[primal flax]

When ya reflect a row of warlock dots and it becomes ya top dmg all match...NERF AFF LOCKS BLIZZ XD

[brave osprey]

Was on cd for the poly D:

[kind canopy]

whats the arms build looking like rn

[lucid walrus]

seems like i wasn't wrong about not having enough points to get down to the reck proc talent, any clue what you traded for slam damage to get there?

[sharp meteor]

condemn

[lucid walrus]

not having enough points to unlock the rows for that talent**

[old pike]

does swapping specs for separate rating work properly?

i want to try arms but dont want to for some reason delete my fury rating

[rare ibex]

@lucid walrus

[kind canopy]

you have screenshot of talent tree?

[sharp meteor]

too complicated lol pick condemn then stuff that buffs condemn

[kind canopy]

oh my venthyr level so low you think its worth

[thorn herald]

enh 61k ele blast

[lucid walrus]

oooooh ok

[thorn herald]

:^)

[lucid walrus]

no 2h spec is a feelsbad but frequent reck procs are tempting

[rare ibex]

Shit, I didn't even realize I did that

Back to the drawing board

Maybe take one point from cruel strikes?